The Zabuza x Haku FC

[halfhearted]

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The ZabuHaku FC
[Male x Male Pairing]

Dedicated to one of the only pairings with true canon development, this FC is a haven and home for discussion of the sweet, violent, and unrequited love that was shared between two of Naruto's most beloved characters, Zabuza and Haku. Whether you like the couple for its genuine feeling, the beauty of their final, epic confession, or the shifting power dynamic of arrogance and sweetness they shared, this is the place for you and anyone else who loves the ZabuHaku pairing.

Creator
Temari-hime

Owner
halfhearted

Co-Owner
Christ_On_A_2x4

Members

1. Subarashii
2. Lonely Soul
3. Isuzu
4. Vyse
5. yonemura
6. Harlequin_Romance
7. darkshine1607
8. Shark Skin
9. dementia
10. Tayuya x Kimimaro 4eva
11. ~Tsunade~
12. Puppet_From_The_Dead
13. exquisiteKOREAN
14. taraa100
15. mairi-chan
16. Chiyo
17. Boba Fett
18. Sukati
19.Luna Laverne
20. Ura Renge
21. froggytown539
22.KakashiUchiha23
23. Deidei
24. nanni
25. redhorsemen
26. HakuSasoGaa
27. ghostalexc
28. Parkolita

Banners

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Fanclub Photobucket Album (http://s226.photobucket.com/albums/dd139/ZabuzaxHakuFC/)

Collection of Manga Chapter Appearances
(http://s186.photobucket.com/albums/x290/halfhearted_nf/ZabuzaxHaku%20FC/Manga/)

Fanfiction


"Cloud on My Tongue" (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3135678/1/Cloud_on_My_Tongue): Rated M

"Made in Waves" (http://community.livejournal.com/zabuzahaku/123439.html#cutid1): Rated M

"NightCap" (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3412643/1/): Rated T

"Tools" (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3729506/1/Tools): Rated T

"A Collection of Nin" (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3686955/3/A_Collection_of_Nin): Rated T

"Confessions" (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3561415/13/Sunlight_and_Shadow_A_Collection_of_Drabbles): Rated T

Essays and Shipping Posts



-"Mentor/apprentice pairings, misogyny, and fandom" (http://cesario.livejournal.com/153661.html): essay that can be applied to ZabuHaku, and how the couple might have been formed by the author and the meaning by their actions.
-ZabuHaku blurb about halfway through this shipping piece. (http://spacetart.tripod.com/naruto.html)
-"The Beauty and the Beast" (http://community.livejournal.com/ship_manifesto/132475.html#cutid1): Livejournal Shipping Manifesto

Related Net Communities

ZabuHaku on Livejournal (http://community.livejournal.com/zabuzahaku)
ZabuHaku on Deviantart (http://zabuza-x-haku-club.deviantart.com/)

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Alliances

The Zetsu x Hanabi (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=257895)FC
The Anti-Character Bashing FC (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=230335)
The MakeOut Paradise FC (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=220184)

[Subarashii]

OH MY GOSH IT'S HERE!!

May I please join!!??

[Temari-hime]

XD Of course, hun! ::AddAdd:: Welcome to the Zabuza x Haku FC! Woo~!

[Subarashii]

YEy!! OMG I love them together! Haku is a man! I don't care what those non believers say! They shared a beautiful love together :wtf
Oh and I have an AMV that I made...share it at a later date though!
:hug

[Temari-hime]

XD Hai! You tell em! As for the video, that'd be lovely. :3 Zabuza and Haku did have beautiful love. X3

[Subarashii]

:kloff
They are probably one of my fave couples...Oh gosh when Haku died and Zabuza avenged him (kinda) :wtf :cry That was sooooooo beautiful!

[Temari-hime]

I know! I cried during the whole Zabuza Saga. T__T Ecspecially when Haku died, and later, Naruto made Zabuza cry those pent up feelings...

And when Zabuza asked to see Haku one last time...OMFG I was crying so hard. T_T

[Subarashii]

Ahhhhhhh! Me too!!
Well I couldn't really cuz I was watching it with someone else so I was all teary eyed :hug
Oh that was sooooo beautiful when he was being carried by Kakashi to Haku! <3333333333333333

[Temari-hime]

T_T I know...And when Haku cried when Zabuza touched his face. Then the snow...Poor Haku and Zabuza. If they were alive, their love would be like, the smex. XD

[Subarashii]

OH hell yes it would!! They would be that cannon gay couple that just popped up...that's why Kishi killed them, he couldn't disappoint his fanboys with a gay couple T_T :cry

[Temari-hime]

T_T You're right! I bet even Kishi favors ZabuHaku! I mean, he went so into detail with their stories, then just cut it off! O_O KISHIMOTO IS A YAOI LOVER! OMG YAY! XDDD

[Subarashii]

OOOOOOOOOOOOR! *points to sig*
He's got a gay assistant! :laugh
I think either or is good with all these yaoi references he's got goin' on *cough*ZabuHaku,NaruSasu,NaruGaa,KakaIru*cough*
>.>

[Temari-hime]

::Coughcough:: XD Yes, yes he does. I mean, even the wack ones are getting screen time, like GaiLee...And Orochimaru wanted Sasuke's body. XD

[Subarashii]

Ooooooooooh yeah Oro was all over Sasuke...tehehe I wouldn't doubt if Sasu was molested with Oro's extremely long tongue :laugh
I mean c'mon Kishimoto, you gave the most sexually charged character the longest tongue...that screams molestation to me ... >.>

[Temari-hime]

I know! XDD And the fact that all his closest servants are little boys...And he looks a bit too much like MJ. XD But personally I am a Sasucake-disliker and I could care less if he was molested. No offense. XD

[Subarashii]

Haha NOne taken, Sasugay's not my fave either but I still love him cuz he's in love with my Naruto :kloff oh plus he gets some brotherly rape to keep him inline...>.>
I used to hate Sasu...

[Temari-hime]

Good call. XD Yes, I would only like that guy if he were in a pairing. Otherwise, I really do hate him. XD ::Huggles ZabuHaku plushies::

[Subarashii]

:wtf
Plushies?! KAWAIIIII :kloff

Hahah well hate away!
I feel I should like him for Naruto and Sakura's sake *sigh*

Oh well Long live ZabuHaku!
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j186/hyonolove/1060188781_untitled6.jpg

[Temari-hime]

XD Yay for screenshots! Okay, well, I actually might head to bed. Mind welcoming any members for us if they join? And finding us a banner...? XD Night!

[Subarashii]

hahah well I can find a pic for a banner but I can't make one hehe nothing but paint on my comp!
And of course I welcome members...if I don't fall asleep myself ^_^
NIght!

[Temari-hime]

Goood mooorning. ^-^ ::Rolls around in ZabuHaku goodness::

[Lonely Soul]

Omg! Me! I wanna join please!! X}

[Temari-hime]

Of course! Welcome to the ZabuHaku FC! X3 ::Hands a plushie::

[Lonely Soul]

Thanks! XD I've been hoping that someone would make a Zabuza/Haku fanclub! 8}

And here's a link to the Zabuza/Haku fanclub on deviantART!
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/2091/zabuzaxhakuclubwd3.gif (http://zabuza-x-haku-club.deviantart.com/) <--click

[Temari-hime]

Omg! Yes! I shall add that to the first post soon. :3 Thanksies.

[Subarashii]

Yey! More members! Welcome and thanks for the link Lonely :drool
They are just freaking adorable together :kloff

[Temari-hime]

Yes! Yes they are! The gallery is so loooovelly :wtf

[Subarashii]

OHHO!
Ok...don't laugh at it but I found this AMV...>.>
Watch?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvbcR9wVYNQ

[Temari-hime]

Laugh?! Omfg that was a good AMV! X3 ::Hugs::

[Lonely Soul]

Omg..That song sounded so sad. ;_; That's a good video.


I found a Z/H Livejournal community - Zabuza x Haku Community (http://community.livejournal.com/zabuzahaku)

[Subarashii]

*CLICK* Ooh I love Lj communities! No one can refute their coupliness! :yell

You guys really liked it??! :wtf
^___________^ :glomp Thank youuuuuuuu!
I kinda made it...>.>

[Lonely Soul]

You guys really liked it??! :wtf
^___________^ :glomp Thank youuuuuuuu!
I kinda made it...>.>

¡Sí! :nod Oh, you did? Great job! :)

[Subarashii]

:kloff
Thank you, I don't like telling ppl I made them before I show them for fear of a biased opinion...:sweat But I'm glad you liked it! ^_______^
I made that one just recently while I was in a Haku/Zabu mood :laugh

[Temari-hime]

I'm actually heading to bed, but it was still a great vid. X3 Good job, and Lonely, I'll add that to the first post soon. Thank you for finding it. :3

[Lonely Soul]

Found some fanart! :}

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/6254/ificouldidliketomf7.th.jpg (http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ificouldidliketomf7.jpg) http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/6510/narutohq095ez8.th.jpg (http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=narutohq095ez8.jpg) http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/8941/522kv9.th.jpg (http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=522kv9.jpg) http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/7120/520of8.th.jpg (http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=520of8.jpg) http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/3064/haku1di6.th.jpg (http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=haku1di6.jpg) http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6541/0503191lv3.th.png (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0503191lv3.png) http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/979/normalhakuzabuzard5.th.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=normalhakuzabuzard5.jpg) http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6603/haku071ex6.th.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=haku071ex6.jpg) http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/518/0d17b588ij4.th.jpg (http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0d17b588ij4.jpg)

Avatars:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e53/generalspork/theternaldevotionbycynical.gif
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/mangafreak_photo/zabuza%20and%20haku/hakuzabuza.gif

And from the databook:
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2931/hakuandzabuzayo5.th.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hakuandzabuzayo5.jpg)

[Isuzu]

I am SO joining. >D ZabuHaku is loooove.

I cried so much. T-T VOLUME FOOOOOUUUUR!

*makes a banner* :D

[Subarashii]

OH MY GAI LONELY THOSE ARE BEAUTIFUL!! :hug Aww that first one is so touching :wtf

Hello NejiHina!!! Welcome!

[Lonely Soul]

^I know; they're so cute! X}

Welcome NejiXHinata93! :}

[Dementia]

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j186/hyonolove/1060188781_untitled6.jpg

This sad look in cold-hearted killer's eyes.

This scene says it all:cry

[Subarashii]

:cry
Totally, I love when when they get them at an angle where we see half of Haku's and Zabuza's face...:wtf it's like a kiss :cry

[Dementia]

I have this arc taped, but I can't watch it:cry and now you brought it up to me.. :cry
*public group mourning*

[Temari-hime]

I apologize for my inactivity but I have family matters so I'll be off and on. XD Welcome NejiXHinata93.

[Shiranui]

awww this is a yaoi fc......darn
if its not then i ll join.....nvm i'll join anyways:)

[yonemura]

Wow... hey, do you think I could join? As long as this thread isn't inactive, lol. Who doesn't like ZabuHaku? It's the couple I enjoy writing about most! :D

[Lonely Soul]

Welcome yonemura! ^^
Well it's not very active since it seems that not a lot of people here support this pairing. D':

[yonemura]

Haha, well, those that do are probably rabid about it.

Sometimes I can't find well-written fics about them. :( I'm not sure if I'm just not looking hard enough, or if there just aren't that many to begin with...

I'm probably not looking hard enough, lol.

[Temari-hime]

Welcome new members! Woot! XD

[yonemura]

BTW, I'm not sure if you want to, but I wrote a fic a while back pertaining to ZabuHaku (and another one is on the way, hopefully, once I get it started the way I want)... I only mention this because on the first page you don't have any links to fics, so I thought I'd pimp my own.

It's not bad, really... the ending is a bit cheesy, though.

Saints and Chocolate. (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3336832/1/)

I know, I should be ashamed for self-pimping. *cries mournfully*

[Subarashii]

Hey long as it's a good story it's all good with me :leepose

[yonemura]

Awesome. <3

[Momochi Zabuza]

OMFG, this FC is recent!

I'll die if I can't join. :ninja I'll just keel over and diiie! :cry

[Isuzu]

I said I was going to make a banner, but I didn't. D':

Fear not, you will be welcomed soon, hopefully! >D

[Momochi Zabuza]

Fear not, you will be welcomed soon, hopefully! >D

Until then...I'll just have to hide in the bushes. :ninja

[Momochi Zabuza]

One day, one day, one day... :ninja

[Temari-hime]

Welcome and added. :3 Oh, yonemura, your fanfic was added! ^-^

[Momochi Zabuza]

Welcome and added. :3 Oh, yonemura, your fanfic was added! ^-^

THANK YOU SO MUCH! :glomp

ZabuHaku, ftw! :dance

Fun stuff for the FC, so I can feel like I'm not wasting space: :nod

Ever notice how their lips are placed? Someone, some animator in Japan, drew that on purpose! IT WAS DELIBERATE!

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa81/belalugosi-is-dead/zabuza18.jpg

Smexy cosplay, FTW! :nod

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa81/belalugosi-is-dead/957466.jpg

Cute!Cute!Cute! :wtf

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa81/belalugosi-is-dead/68e73dc8-1.jpg

Apparently this happened, dunno when. o:

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa81/belalugosi-is-dead/e-naru-tuihousya.jpg

Tried to find some stuff you guys hadn't seen before. Don't know how I did, though. :nod

[Momochi Zabuza]

Yes, I edited this. No, I'm not on crack. :sag

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa81/belalugosi-is-dead/wut.jpg

[Tsu]

Wanna join!

[halfhearted]

Dear <insert random deity here>! How have I not joined this FC, yet!?

The canoniest of all canon pairings, so gorgeous and adorable it burns, Zabuza x Haku is love :love

*swoons, recovers, takes deep breath, wipes imaginary sweat from brow*

Now, that the fangirling is taken care of, I would love to join this FC. And, also, Temari-hime, if you are looking for someone to help greet and/or rep new people and/or keep the FC up, I noticed that you don't have any co-owners...

And, I would definitely LOVE to do it :tem

If you want any that is...

Also, I come bearing ZabuHaku gifts that you've probably already seen but what the hell! Once more can't hurt, right?



My alltime favorite pic...

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x290/halfhearted_nf/07.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x290/halfhearted_nf/Naruto_Fan_Comic_31_by_one_of_the_C.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x290/halfhearted_nf/HakuZabu.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x290/halfhearted_nf/915421.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x290/halfhearted_nf/getback.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x290/halfhearted_nf/haku2.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x290/halfhearted_nf/IfIcouldIdliketo.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x290/halfhearted_nf/Zabusa___Haku_by_pokefreak.jpg

Also, I have a premium Photobucket account, as well as all of the manga chapters saved on my computer. If you'd like, I could upload them and give you the link, Temari. Then, we could have a free source to look at all of their manga appearances without having to mess about with downloading or anything.

[Momochi Zabuza]

:yell :yell

...

:wtf Welcome to the FC, halfhearted! It's not...the most active, ^^; but hopefully we can keep things moving because this is my OTP and I love it and I have frequent fangasms and that fanart is sooo leik yey~~

Did you mean it when you said this was your only pairing FC? ((o.o))

[halfhearted]

:yell :yell

...

:wtf Welcome to the FC, halfhearted! It's not...the most active, ^^; but hopefully we can keep things moving because this is my OTP and I love it and I have frequent fangasms and that fanart is sooo leik yey~~

Did you mean it when you said this was your only pairing FC? ((o.o))

:laugh Hi hi!

Yeah, I noticed that there wasn't a great amount of activity. But, hopefully, that won't last forever.

And, yes, this is my ONLY pairing FC. I guess, I am just kind of lazy when it comes to pairings. There are ones I prefer (coughcoughLeeSakucoughcough), but none that I'm like...

ZOMG MY PAIRING IZ TEH WIN RAWR! :yell

Except ZabuHaku. It's the only pair, who I dislike seeing the separate characters paired with anyone else. And, I just love the crap out of those two, more than any other couple, er, I mean, potential couple on the show.

Plus, it helps that they are both smexy as hell (*prefers Zabuza* :amuse I likes the dominant types...).

I was just like...:huh , when I saw how new this FC was. And, then it hit me. How little fanart and fanfiction is devoted to this pairing, when it is way more canon than any other except, you know...

AsumaKurenai

So, yes, we need to change that.

And change the lack of discussion.

Even if it means delving into perverted sex talk involving the sordid details of the couple's bedroom activites...

Sigh. Well, I am willing to make that sacrifice...

*is a perv*

Oh, and I should probably have some kind of banner and all of the ZabuHaku manga chapters available, as well as some megaupload links for the episodes to post on the front page by this afternoon.

Maybe that will stir some activity.

[Momochi Zabuza]

Finally! It's gonna be great to actually get some good discussion in on this couple. I could talk about Zabuza and Haku all fucking day. They're at the very top of my OTP list! ^^

I'm in...eheh...a few pairing FCs, but none can compare to teh ZabuHaku. :noworry And I'm so sick of hearing that the only reason this pairing is popular is because of the yaoi factor. :/ Seriously, as a female I appreciate the mansmex, but that's not why this pairing is fecking sweet. ^^;

Not that I'd...be opposed...to 'delving into perverted sex talk involving the sordid details of the couple's bedroom activites...' :shifty

And I agree with you: I can't see either of them paired with anyone else. :/ I don't mean that in a crazy militant fantard way, because you KNOW Zabuza was gettin' some action before Haku came along, and even I like one-sided KakaHaku or HakuNaru (why? Because I said so! :yell)...but I wouldn't actually want them paired with anyone else, ever. >.>

Oh, and I should probably have some kind of banner and all of the ZabuHaku manga chapters available, as well as some megaupload links for the episodes to post on the front page by this afternoon.

Maybe that will stir some activity.

You're teh fucking awesome. :sag

[halfhearted]

Finally! It's gonna be great to actually get some good discussion in on this couple. I could talk about Zabuza and Haku all fucking day. They're at the very top of my OTP list! ^^

I'm in...eheh...a few pairing FCs, but none can compare to teh ZabuHaku. :noworry And I'm so sick of hearing that the only reason this pairing is popular is because of the yaoi factor. :/ Seriously, as a female I appreciate the mansmex, but that's not why this pairing is fecking sweet. ^^;

Not that I'd...be opposed...to 'delving into perverted sex talk involving the sordid details of the couple's bedroom activites...' :shifty

And I agree with you: I can't see either of them paired with anyone else. :/ I don't mean that in a crazy militant fantard way, because you KNOW Zabuza was gettin' some action before Haku came along, and even I like one-sided KakaHaku or HakuNaru (why? Because I said so! :yell)...but I wouldn't actually want them paired with anyone else, ever. >.>


I agree about the yaoi NOT being a factor in what makes this pairing great. The reason that this pairing is so wonderful is that its the first and only real instance where Kishimoto actually shows two people deeply in love with another in his manga. Others are alluded too, and TsunadexDan have a very brief spot (without any real affection shown...just lots of pain).

But, Zabuza and Haku's scenes are so tender and callous and beautiful, and so much truer than any of the others.


And, I agree. Occasionally, some one-sided HakuNaru or even a little KakaZabu (:oh That choice is almost purely for sexy yaoi reasons. HOWEVER, there are good stories that have nothing to do with lemons that are AUish, involving Zabuza surviving Haku's death). But, I would just never ever support any of those pairings.


Oh, and here's the link to all of the manga chapters. (http://s186.photobucket.com/albums/x290/halfhearted_nf/ZabuzaxHaku%20FC/) I am going to try and get episodes and maybe the chapters too (so, there's a place to just download them all, if people don't want to save each picture) later tonight or tomorrow.

And, the banner is still in the works. My Adobe Imageready is acting pissy, so we're not speaking to one another until things calm down. Seriously, if a computer program can PMS, then my AI is definitely about to start her flow. :notrust

[halfhearted]

Would've editted this into my last post, as I HATE double posting, but the topic is so different that I think a second post is allowable.

Out of curiosity, what are everyone's beliefs concerning the ZabuHaku relationship. You know:

When did each person fall for the other?

Was there a sexual relationship prior to love?

Did Zabuza realize exactly how much Haku cared or him before the boy sacrificed himself and in what way?

Did Haku's innocence/naivety keep him safe from any pain Zabuza's callousness might have caused? Or are we fooled into thinking it was so , because we want it to be?

Who made the bigger sacrifice?

Was Zabuza REALLY the seme :amuse?

<insert your own thoughts and observations here in question form>?

I would love to know how others view their relationship and its growth. And, I suppose this is one of the best places to find out. :tem

[Shark Skin]

Can I join?

[halfhearted]

Can I join?


*waves hello*

I'm not EXACTLY a member yet, either...but welcome :tem

Come share in the ZabuHaku love!

[Momochi Zabuza]

Welcome, Shark Skin. :D (I see you've come to the dark side! 8DD)

Anything from here on is entirely IMO... ^^; If you don't like it, chances are it's not canon, so there. XP

I agree about the yaoi NOT being a factor in what makes this pairing great. The reason that this pairing is so wonderful is that its the first and only real instance where Kishimoto actually shows two people deeply in love with another in his manga. Others are alluded too, and TsunadexDan have a very brief spot (without any real affection shown...just lots of pain).

I hate saying this (because on one hand it's a tragic love story, and on the other I'm afraid of Tsunade >.>), but I thought TsunaDan was, like, the most boringest thingy ever. :arg I hate saying that. Makes me sound like a prick. But there's a reason they lack fanfiction. DX

But, Zabuza and Haku's scenes are so tender and callous and beautiful, and so much truer than any of the others.

But I agree about Zabuza and Haku. :love There was real depth there...though I'm beginning to get suspicious about the pairing's apparent lack of popularity in HoU.

And, I agree. Occasionally, some one-sided HakuNaru or even a little KakaZabu (:oh That choice is almost purely for sexy yaoi reasons. HOWEVER, there are good stories that have nothing to do with lemons that are AUish, involving Zabuza surviving Haku's death). But, I would just never ever support any of those pairings.

KakaZabu? O: Oh geez...this pairing...dude, you have got to direct me to something of the well-written variety. :nod The fact that you're into this pairing at all means there is something I've seriously been missing. XD

And thanks so much for the manga chapters and - ohmygodohmygod - the banner. :wtf We really appreciate it. ^^

~survey...thingy, from your second post XD~

When did each person fall for the other?

Honestly? I think Haku pretty much fell the moment they met. :oh I know he was just a kid (a little kid), but...whatever they had...it started right there, at least on Haku's part. ;) Zabuza probably came around later, but he was in so much denial that he may not have even realized what had happened until it was too late! @_@

Was there a sexual relationship prior to love?

Part of me thinks that there was, and part of me hopes that there wasn't. XD

I grew up with dorky ideas about sex, namely that sex = love, and so the romantic in me doesn't want to let that go--! D: But the realist in me says that, really, there was no reason for them not to have been screwing around. :noworry Haku wouldn't have minded, and I doubt Zabuza - as a certified baby killer - would be too squicky about the whole thing.

Did Zabuza realize exactly how much Haku cared or him before the boy sacrificed himself and in what way?

I think he knew. It...wasn't something he wanted (or knew how) to acknowledge, and I doubt he realized Haku's feelings were that deep...but I think he knew.

Did Haku's innocence/naivety keep him safe from any pain Zabuza's callousness might have caused? Or are we fooled into thinking it was so , because we want it to be?

"Did his innocence..." Well, maybe. Haku had a one-track mind as far as Zabuza was concerned, so he probably learned to live with Zabuza's roughness. But he was also clever, and knowing that you'll never be loved...in the same way that you love...takes its toll on even the most faithful heart. D:

Who made the bigger sacrifice?

Always thought Haku made the bigger sacrifice - buuut I doubt he saw it that way. :amuse And if it was true, if Haku really was watching and weeping as Zabuza fell...oh god, can you imagine that? DX

I think after Haku died and after Zabuza realized that life was just gonna screw him over, he gave up. Jumping into that mob was suicide, he knew he was gonna die, and I think he wanted it. With Haku gone, there was just no point anymore. :/

Was Zabuza REALLY the seme :amuse?

Hell to the naw! >D
Don't get me wrong, Zabuza was probably...doing the do...but to say that he directed the sexual show... :vegetant LOL, I can imagine Haku propositioning a surprised - but pleased? - Zabuza. 8DD He wasn't nearly as uke as people seem to think. Remember that scene in the gigantic acorn? Gatou? Thugs? ...Haku pwn'ing said thugs without Zabuza's permission? XDD

Yeah, don't highlight the following if you don't want to hear about, err, naughtiness between boiz: I read this one lemon a LONG time ago that took place a few days before the fight on the bridge...in the fic, Zabuza and Haku had a sexual relationship (apparently, it was Zabuza's kink to never let Haku come. Poor d00d.), and Haku...seme'd around...but didn't actually...seme... >.> If that makes ANY fucking sense. XDDD

Here are two lemony (mostly lime >.>) fics that say it better than I ever could. :3 (Warning, one features a *very* underaged Haku, but it's so damn true to character that I can get past the squick.)

Made In Waves (http://community.livejournal.com/zabuzahaku/123439.html#cutid1)
Cloud on My Tongue (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3135678/1/Cloud_on_My_Tongue)

There's a few more that I need to find, but I'm satisfied with these. ;D

Sorry this was so long~~!

[Dementia]

I was sure I joined this, but since my name is not on the list;-joinage!

[Shark Skin]

Christ, if by dark side you mean to say yaoi, this isn't the first yoai fc I join:laugh I'm the co-owner of the ItachixKakashi FC:nod

[Momochi Zabuza]

Christ, if by dark side you mean to say yaoi, this isn't the first yoai fc I join:laugh I'm the co-owner of the ItachixKakashi FC:nod

I noticed that! :nod
But now...you're in a FC dedicated to the couple of Real Ultimate Win, aka ZabuHaku! :kukuku

[Shark Skin]

LOL, I guess your right:laugh

[Momochi Zabuza]

I can't believe there's only four pages so far. @_@ This couple's too good for four pages! :arg

[Revy]

It was only a matter of time.:amuse
joinage please!!:wtf

[Dementia]

I feel unnecessary.:oh

[Momochi Zabuza]

...Well, that was only slightly pessimistic. :oh

Why are you feeling 'unnecessary', if I may ask? ;)

[halfhearted]

Yes, do tell, dementia.

[Dementia]

Cause I was ignored yesterday?:sag

[halfhearted]

I'm sorry :(.

Welcome to the club, dementia!

And, don't worry, eventually Temari-hime will be back and you'll get put on the member list.

As will I :P

[Dementia]

A simple "hi" would have been nice...:sag

okay, thanks!:amuse

[Momochi Zabuza]

Yeah, the owner doesn't show up much. :/ It took me a while to get accepted, too...
But, ya know, we're trying to keep the FC as active as possible. ^^

-edit- That was re: halfhearted's comment about membership.

Hiiiiiii, dem. 8D

[Dementia]

I can do the same, if I'm accepted to the conversation.^^ *Sai-like smile*

[Momochi Zabuza]

You can jump into the conversation anytime you want...there's not restricted access or anything... ^^;

Of course we'd like your input. :nod

[Dementia]

that's good. but when I say something, and no one notice, there's no point, is it?:nod

[Momochi Zabuza]

We were kind of distracted by the ZabuHaku, but yeah, I'm sorry about missing your post. We did notice your last one, though. ^^

[Dementia]

The God of Insanity forgives you.:sag

Please, go on.

[halfhearted]

If it makes you feel any better, dem. My first post since you asked to join was my question to you. And my second post was, Welcome!

And, now third post. I'd love to hear your thoughts on some of the questions I asked earlier that Coa2x4 answered.

Which I suppose I could answer too.

In a minute...

And a half.

[Dementia]

What questions?:sag

[Momochi Zabuza]

These questions:

Out of curiosity, what are everyone's beliefs concerning the ZabuHaku relationship. You know:

When did each person fall for the other?

Was there a sexual relationship prior to love?

Did Zabuza realize exactly how much Haku cared or him before the boy sacrificed himself and in what way?

Did Haku's innocence/naivety keep him safe from any pain Zabuza's callousness might have caused? Or are we fooled into thinking it was so, because we want it to be?

Who made the bigger sacrifice?

Was Zabuza REALLY the seme?

<insert your own thoughts and observations here in question form>?

I would love to know how others view their relationship and its growth. And, I suppose this is one of the best places to find out.

[halfhearted]

When did each person fall for the other?

I don't think it was quite "at first sight" with Haku. Rather, I think that initially, Haku was just too starved for attention and such a bundle of need and pain...

Falling in love was kind of out of the question.

However, it certainly didn't take him terribly long to sort things out. :P

Obviously intelligent for his age, I think that once Haku realized that this was a man who could NEED him, who WANTED him, and who didn't care about any of his so-called faults but just prized him for his abilities...I think, at that moment, young Haku decided to fall in love with Zabuza.

And, in his own way, Zabuza chose Haku.

As his tool and companion.

The way that he smiles at Haku's jokes. The way that he compliments the boy on his innocence and purity.

There is affection. Safe affection.

A pat on the head for the good puppy dog.

But, in the end, (much like Haku did when they first met) Zabuza chooses to love the other man. He could continue to fight, to run, to search for the power that was his ultimate goal. But, instead, he turns his back on every single thing that he has worked for and decidees instead to die for a love that was nearly ten years in the making.

And, that's one of the most beautiful things about this pairing.

Anyone can fall madly in love with their destined soulmate, who they can't help but care for.

But, real love. The kind you choose, the kind you work and sacrifice for. That's the kind that sticks in your heart and mind and makes you hurt and shiver in all the right ways.



Was there a sexual relationship prior to love?

Power, violence, sex.

It's a trifecta of perversion that infects some of my favorite characters. And, I would not be surprised if Zabuza was the kind of man who randomly raped passerbys (and then killed his victims), if he felt that he had needs that wanted sating.

Although, he is sooo obsessed with power (in his own way) and his efforts to gain it through destruction and death, that I find it difficult to accept him handing that moment or two of vulnerability (which sex always includes) over to anyone, even a rape victim.

And, even though, I know its partially because I want to believe that Zabuza didn't use Haku, who would have been happy to help, for sex, I honestly don't think he did.

Zabuza wouldn't want to have that kind of closeness with Haku (before the last few moments of truth during their death scene).

Not because he couldn't be vulnerable with the boy, but rather because of his greatest fear.

Bonds.

Bonds and the self-sacrifice they imply. The giving of one's self. And, the loss of complete domination.

Again, it wasn't that he couldn't be vulnerable, but rather that there was the faintest possibility that he might have feelings for the boy and sex would only serve to bring those feelings closer to light. That he would be totally vulnerable and open and powerless.

I just can't see Zabuza allowing that to happen.

Did Zabuza realize exactly how much Haku cared for him before the boy sacrificed himself and in what way?

Yes. But, he didn't acknowledge it. He couldn't bring himself, too.

I doubt he would let himself believe in anything like love or dwell overly long on it. So, he must have considered the boy's feelings to be something akin to the loyalty a dog shows to its master rather than passion.

And, that's why I think one of the saddest moments between the pair is in the final few moments.

When Haku cries.

When Naruto confronts Zabuza about Haku's feelings towards the Mist nin, I don't believe Zabuza was able to believe that the other boy really truly loved him.

Even after what Naruto said.

Instead, I see Zabuza's reaction as being the man crying because he is finally letting himself love Haku, using Naruto's words (which, again, he doesn't entirely believe...still sees the other boy as only loyal and innocent) as an excuse.

But, when Haku cries...Zabuza FINALLY understands, FINALLY accepts. And, that last moment is the greatest of epiphanies.


That is the moment when Zabuza truly understands that not only is he in love with Haku but Haku in actually in love with him, as well.

Did Haku's innocence/naivety keep him safe from any pain Zabuza's callousness might have caused? Or are we fooled into thinking it was so , because we want it to be?

No, it didn't. However, I am certain that if you'd have asked Haku, he'd have been like...

...huh, what pain?

And, I think that up until the final moments, he truly believed that.

So content was Haku with being needed as a tool and wanted for his abilities (the life he had chosen) that I am sure he didn't want to admit that there was anything left. That he wanted anything more.

And, this fact (more than his near worship of Zabuza and selfless love) kept him from admitting that what he really wanted was to be more than Zabuza's tool.

Not in name, necessarily.

But, in how the other man felt about him.

Again, hearkening back to those final tears, I see that moment as the point when Haku (not dead yet) has a realization similar to Zabuza's emotional dam breaking.

When Zabuza finally gives him what he wanted more than anything else, Haku is able to admit that he DID indeed want it and that the "not having" hurt terribly.

Who made the bigger sacrifice?

Haku sacrificed his life and his death to help Zabuza achieve his dream and, eventually, to save the other man's life.

Zabuza sacrificed his dream and goals to be with the other man in death. He sacrificed himself to metaphorically save Haku's innocence which was being spat on by Gatou.

In a way, since Haku had nothing to begin with. He had nothing to sacrifice. However, his potential, the life he might have had, that he gave away to Zabuza consciously.

In exchange for being needed.

Zabuza's sacrifice was much less thought out. As I said before, emotional dam breaking!

Without forethought and forgetting about consequences, Zabuza threw away everything that he'd worked for and built up (including the person who he had made himself into) away.

All for Haku.

Just to be with him for a few moments.

Hellhounds nipping at his heels.

To be honest, I don't know the answer to this question. On a visceral level, I greatly connect with Zabuza. But, on an intellectual level, Haku's seems the greatest.

Was Zabuza really the seme?

:laugh

I am certain that Haku would never ever EVER top Zabuza.

That being said, it would most likely be the boy's choice not to.

By, Haku wholeheartedly opting to be totally submissive, he leaves no choice but for Zabuza to dominate (which Zabuza likes better, anyways). However, since he was the one choosing, Haku truly has the power in this relationship.

Not to mention the fact that even though Haku is a tool, very often tools rule their wielders.

For instance, my fing Adobe Imageready doesn't feel like working, so I can't make our banner. It may be my tool that I use as I please. But, when you get right down to it, if the tool doesn't want to work...it won't.

Anyways, I once again prove my mastery of the too long post. And I hope the ramble wasn't too difficult to understand.

I liked answering though. I hope other people think up more questions. :amuse

[Dementia]

Out of curiosity, what are everyone's beliefs concerning the ZabuHaku relationship. You know:

When did each person fall for the other?
Probably when they first met? I don't think it's common for a blood-thirsty killer to adopt an orphan....

Was there a sexual relationship prior to love?
Later, it's possible.

Did Zabuza realize exactly how much Haku cared or him before the boy sacrificed himself and in what way?
I think he did. And he hid it from himself, cause such things are against shinobi conduct. He lied to himself all his life, until there was no longer point in that.

Did Haku's innocence/naivety keep him safe from any pain Zabuza's callousness might have caused? Or are we fooled into thinking it was so, because we want it to be?
I don't really get the question, but probably.

Who made the bigger sacrifice?
Haku made the sacrifice, Zabuza made the revenge. Zabuza's death was more touching, cause he still had time to talk.

Was Zabuza REALLY the seme?
as in, playing the girl? HELL NO. it was Haku.

<insert your own thoughts and observations here in question form>?
next time, I'm lazy now.:sag

I would love to know how others view their relationship and its growth. And, I suppose this is one of the best places to find out. [/B]

[Momochi Zabuza]

Wow! :D Interesting way of seeing things, guys. (This is getting fun. :spaz)

Though I'm gonna have to disagree on a few points, like Zabuza raping people. :/ I could see it, because he's not a nice dude...but at the same time, most rapists make-with-the-raping because their kink is the domination, not the sex. So if he just wanted to get laid, couldn't he have gone to a brothel, or...I dunno...picked somebody up off the street? I don't think it would be too much trouble.

(Which brings up another point...kind of. XD What's your opinion on Zabuza's sexuality? I noticed you weren't gender-specific in regards to his victims. :nod)

And if it is about power and domination and what-have-you, wouldn't bossing around his servants (Haku, the demon bros) suffice? Zabuza was a bastard. His relationship with any of his subordinates could have been violent. (We never did see the demon bros again >.>...of course, they could have been FIRED, but that's so much less fun! XP)

Bonds and the self-sacrifice they imply. The giving of one's self. And, the loss of complete domination.

If they weren't having sex, he must have thought Haku could use that vulnerability against him (like you said), or that he was losing power by giving himself to the boy (because Haku would have wanted it, no doubt about that >.>).

Again, it wasn't that he couldn't be vulnerable, but rather that there was the faintest possibility that he might have feelings for the boy and sex would only serve to bring those feelings closer to light. That he would be totally vulnerable and open and powerless.

Agreed, except that in The World In Which They Were Not Sexxing (:nod), I think Zabuza would have...issues...with being so vulnerable. For all he knew, Haku was gonna pull a Judas. :S

Your ideas about how the two related are sooo far from mine. Whereas you see "master/dog", I see...well, I don't know what I see. XD But it's at once the same, and different. I come up with an explanation for my thinking, I'll let you know. :sweat

Instead, I see Zabuza's reaction as being the man crying because he is finally letting himself love Haku, using Naruto's words (which, again, he doesn't entirely believe...still sees the other boy as only loyal and innocent) as an excuse.

But, when Haku cries...Zabuza FINALLY understands, FINALLY accepts. And, that last moment is the greatest of epiphanies.

Gawd, that was so beautiful. @_@ *faints from teh pwnsome* (But...I'm curious...when did Haku cry? I know he cried when confessing to Naruto, and I know there was the thing with the snow... Is that what you were referring to, or am I missing something?)

No, it didn't. However, I am certain that if you'd have asked Haku, he'd have been like...

...huh, what pain?

And, I think that up until the final moments, he truly believed that.

So content was Haku with being needed as a tool and wanted for his abilities (the life he had chosen) that I am sure he didn't want to admit that there was anything left. That he wanted anything more.

And, this fact (more than his near worship of Zabuza and selfless love) kept him from admitting that what he really wanted was to be more than Zabuza's tool.

Not in name, necessarily.

But, in how the other man felt about him.

Again, hearkening back to those final tears, I see that moment as the point when Haku (not dead yet) has a realization similar to Zabuza's emotional dam breaking.

When Zabuza finally gives him what he wanted more than anything else, Haku is able to admit that he DID indeed want it and that the "not having" hurt terribly.

Ditto, d00d. :wtf My thoughts in a nutshell. :nod

Re: mad monkey smex :sag

I agree about Haku having the power in the relationship...Zabuza holds the reins, but only because Haku lets him. (Nice Adobe Imageready analogy, btw. XDD That was wiiin~)

I think Zabuza is just badass enough to take it up the ass without losing his dignity. (Not saying he'd bottom, but if he WANTED to...I could see it.)

I think he did. And he hid it from himself, cause such things are against shinobi conduct. He lied to himself all his life, until there was no longer point in that.

Abso-fucking-lutely! 8D

[Fai]

I never knew about this FC. ZOMG.
Joinage please. :pleased

[Momochi Zabuza]

Welcome... :amuse
Temari-hime will be back to welcome all of you...someday... :ninja I don't think she realized her FC would be this popular. XD

Until then, feel free to participate in the discussion. I think we're actually going somewhere with this. :nod

[Lonely Soul]

Welcome Harlequin_Romance! 8}

[Kuro]

may i join? ^^

[Momochi Zabuza]

Welcome, darkshine... ;)

[Kuro]

what are you talking about guys? :laugh

[Momochi Zabuza]

Everything, really. XD Read some of the (lengthy :ninja) above posts and you'll get the idea. :wink

[Kuro]

i read them ^^ all what you've said is quite interesting :amuse
but i cant answer the questions now
im going, see you later!

[Momochi Zabuza]

See ya. :amuse

[halfhearted]

*waves hello to new members*

Why, hello, there! Welcome and jump in the discussion! We're always glad to have new people to talk with, and I am sure Temari-hime will be back soon to add your names to the list.




Wow! :D Interesting way of seeing things, guys. (This is getting fun. :spaz)

Though I'm gonna have to disagree on a few points, like Zabuza raping people. :/ I could see it, because he's not a nice dude...but at the same time, most rapists make-with-the-raping because their kink is the domination, not the sex. So if he just wanted to get laid, couldn't he have gone to a brothel, or...I dunno...picked somebody up off the street? I don't think it would be too much trouble.

(Which brings up another point...kind of. XD What's your opinion on Zabuza's sexuality? I noticed you weren't gender-specific in regards to his victims. :nod)

Actually, haha, I don't think Zabuza would've raped anyone really. I just meant that his moral code would not have prevented him from doing it. However, to me, rather than doing it because it made him feel powerful, I see him as not doing it because of the few seconds he might be powerless.

If that makes sense.

As for his sexuality, meh. I don't think we were really given enough to go on, except considering his affection, love, and obvious attraction to Haku, who is male.

To be honest, I see him as very asexual. When I said that he'd take care of his needs any way he saw fit, I hope I left open the idea that he just might not have them.

Don't get me wrong. Every person probably has sexual desire. But, since violence can be an outlet for it...

And Zabuza's attraction towards others seems to be linked to his respect for them (i.e. he admits his love and attraction to Haku when he also shows respect, in a way, for him)



And if it is about power and domination and what-have-you, wouldn't bossing around his servants (Haku, the demon bros) suffice? Zabuza was a bastard. His relationship with any of his subordinates could have been violent. (We never did see the demon bros again >.>...of course, they could have been FIRED, but that's so much less fun! XP)



If they weren't having sex, he must have thought Haku could use that vulnerability against him (like you said), or that he was losing power by giving himself to the boy (because Haku would have wanted it, no doubt about that >.>).



Agreed, except that in The World In Which They Were Not Sexxing (:nod), I think Zabuza would have...issues...with being so vulnerable. For all he knew, Haku was gonna pull a Judas. :S

Yeah, those are pretty much the points that I was going for, too. Especially, the idea that Zabuza would NEVER have let himself be even a little vulnerable with Haku.


Your ideas about how the two related are sooo far from mine. Whereas you see "master/dog", I see...well, I don't know what I see. XD But it's at once the same, and different. I come up with an explanation for my thinking, I'll let you know. :sweat

Actually, I just see master/dog, wielder/tool as the very shallow surface of their relationship. And, that's how both of them would like to have had things. But, in reality, under that surface there's a man whose in love but will never admit such a thing as it would destroy his entire worldview and everything that he's been working for and he is pretending to boss around someone who willingly does whatever he wants (unknowingly fucking with the power structure) and openly loving the other man, trying not to admit to himself that he wished Zabuza loved him back.

Wow, long. And, probably made even less sense than first post apparently did. :P

Gawd, that was so beautiful. @_@ *faints from teh pwnsome* (But...I'm curious...when did Haku cry? I know he cried when confessing to Naruto, and I know there was the thing with the snow... Is that what you were referring to, or am I missing something?)

I was talking about when Zabuza was laying next to him and the little tears squeezed out, when he stroked the side of his face.

The face stroking and then tears were the culmination of that relationship for me.:cry

[halfhearted]

Want to keep this place alive, so here's a double post and a sweet doujinshi cover I found:

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x290/halfhearted_nf/ZabuzaxHaku%20FC/Fanart/0002b0c2.jpg

[Temari-hime]

Will, "I'm really sorry" work? X___X I have been busy with Highschool, guys. Please forgive me. Welcome to everyone, as you are now added to the list.

All the debates, all the fanart, fanfics --

Everything.

Loved it. :3 And I'm sorry about my inactivity.

halfhearted has been made co-owner, and that should help a bit. ^-^

[Momochi Zabuza]

We understand completely, Temari-hime. :D

Actually, haha, I don't think Zabuza would've raped anyone really. I just meant that his moral code would not have prevented him from doing it. However, to me, rather than doing it because it made him feel powerful, I see him as not doing it because of the few seconds he might be powerless.

If that makes sense.

That makes perfect sense. o.o It's damn near quotable! :love

To be honest, I see him as very asexual. When I said that he'd take care of his needs any way he saw fit, I hope I left open the idea that he just might not have them.

That's true. ;) (Though I do wonder how Zabuza would've handled Haku "growing up". Haku would have needs of his own, and while I don't believe Zabuza would've actually done something about them...well, I wonder if he'd just go on ignoring it with a "GTFO -.-" glare.)

Don't get me wrong. Every person probably has sexual desire. But, since violence can be an outlet for it...

And Zabuza's attraction towards others seems to be linked to his respect for them (i.e. he admits his love and attraction to Haku when he also shows respect, in a way, for him)

WHY MUST YOU MAKE S'MUCH GODDAMN SENSE?!?! :arg I agree completely. :nod

Actually, I just see master/dog, wielder/tool as the very shallow surface of their relationship.

T_______T So true.

And, that's how both of them would like to have had things. But, in reality, under that surface its there's a man whose in love but will never admit such a thing as it would destroy his entire worldview and everything that he's been working for and who he is pretending to boss around someone who willingly does whatever he wants (unknowingly fucking with the power structure) and openly loving the other man, trying not to admit to himself that he wished Zabuza loved him back.

(((O___O)))

My post? Completely useless. :noworry Yours? The Mecca of hopeless ZabuHaku fans everywhere. :arg That right there is the clearest, most perfect way to describe how their relationship worked. Beautiful. :nod

[halfhearted]

Will, "I'm really sorry" work? X___X I have been busy with Highschool, guys. Please forgive me. Welcome to everyone, as you are now added to the list.

All the debates, all the fanart, fanfics --

Everything.

Loved it. And I'm sorry about my inactivity.

halfhearted has been made co-owner, and that should help a bit. ^-^

Don't worry about the inactivity. Life happens ;P

And, thanks muchly for the co-ownership. If you'd like I can keep tabs on who asks to join (like a list or something), and I can PM you with the names. That way you don't have to go sifting through pages.

That is, if there are pages to sift through :cry

Hopefully, we can get some more club activity. You'd think for being a relationship that most consider canon that it would have more supporters.

We understand completely, Temari-hime.



That makes perfect sense. o.o It's damn near quotable!



That's true. (Though I do wonder how Zabuza would've handled Haku "growing up". Haku would have needs of his own, and while I don't believe Zabuza would've actually done something about them...well, I wonder if he'd just go on ignoring it with a "GTFO -.-"



WHY MUST YOU MAKE S'MUCH GODDAMN SENSE?!?! I agree completely.



T_______T So true.



(((O___O)))

My post? Completely useless.Yours? The Mecca of hopeless ZabuHaku fans everywhere.That right there is the clearest, most perfect way to describe how their relationship worked. Beautiful.

I'm totally not worthy of all these lovely words, Christ. But, thanks so much :love.

Besides, I have some of the greatest inspiration: Haku and Zabuza.

And you! You are not useless, you silly, sexy thing you!

...back to topicy type things of a ZabuHaku FC nature.

Hrm, so can anyone think of ways to increase club activity?

I'm afraid that a lot of our members might turn out to be the type that sign up and then never say anything EVER AGAIN. And, I really want to encourage everyone to partake of the ZabuHaku crazy lovefest.

One thing I am curious about(as of right now) is hearing a little bit more of an indepth take on how everyone views Haku's loyalty to Zabuza. You were saying some incredibly interesting and truly insightful things in that Kimi vs. Haku thread, Christ, and I have to admit that inspired a desire within me to explore his motivations in that last fight and the tension within their relationship more.

What were Haku's boundaries? How did he try to resolve the discrepancy between how his innate sense of morality dictated he act with Zabuza's orders?

And, as thanks for possibly answering these questions and keeping this FC alive...here's some more pics that I found recently (although have yet to add to my personal online ZabuHaku fanart cache due to stupid ass problems with Photobucket glitches):



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[Momochi Zabuza]

:wtf :wtf :wtf

Excuse me while I attempt to stop blushing. XD I'm so, so undeserving, but thanks a lot anyway. DX

I'm afraid that a lot of our members might turn out to be the type that sign up and then never say anything EVER AGAIN. And, I really want to encourage everyone to partake of the ZabuHaku crazy lovefest.

I don't think anyone loves this couple as much as we do (@_@ we're fantards, but the awesome kind :amuse), or maybe they can't put what they feel into words. I know it's difficult for me analyze their relationship, or even the individual characters... Maybe if we stick with one question at a time, it will be easier for everyone to gather their thoughts.

I tried to clean this up, but everytime I tried it stopped making sense. XD Here's what I said in the Kimi vs. Haku thread (with a few modifications), for those who are confused:

You said that Haku thought he killed Sasuke, right? I've always thought this was strange, because at first Sasuke said that Haku wasn't aiming for anything vital, that he was just toying with them. And then, switch to Haku, and suddenly he's trying desperately and failing miserably to hit Sasuke. AND THEN, when Sasuke wakes up from his little coma it's decided that Haku really didn't intend to kill him. Wouldn't it make more sense if in the beginning he wasn't trying (like Sasuke said), and then when the situation got worse he really, REALLY did try to kill them, but because he was so torn between his loyalty to Zabuza and his desire to spare these boys that his body would not obey his mind and that's why everything turned out the way it did? :huh

Honestly, the fight at the bridge wasn't where Haku's inner conflict started. That's where it freaking went berzerk. :/ When he was disguised as a hunter-nin and "killed" Zabuza, and Naruto blew up at him for doing so easily what Kakashi had struggled with, Haku probably tried to disregard Naruto's words and move on.

But then there was that scene in the forest, and THAT is when it all went downhill. He considered killing Naruto, but didn't. That would have been the perfect opporunity, as Naruto was asleep and oblivious to the world...and Haku would have suffered only a mild guilt trip, because he still hadn't got to know the boy. But...he didn't. Instead of strangling him, or sticking a needle through his neck, Haku gently shook Naruto awake and told him he'd "catch his death of cold".

Haku asked Naruto why he was out here, what he was doing...asked him if he was a ninja, and told him how "manly" that was (someone knows how to feed an ego! :wink), and as soon as that happened, IMO, Haku didn't stand a chance.

...the end. Too tired for more. :sweat

[halfhearted]

Excuse me while I attempt to stop blushing. XD I'm so, so undeserving, but thanks a lot anyway. DX



I don't think anyone loves this couple as much as we do (@_@ we're fantards, but the awesome kind, or maybe they can't put what they feel into words. I know it's difficult for me analyze their relationship, or even the individual characters... Maybe if we stick with one question at a time, it will be easier for everyone to gather their thoughts.

I tried to clean this up, but everytime I tried it stopped making sense. XD Here's what I said in the Kimi vs. Haku thread (with a few modifications), for those who are confused



Honestly, the fight at the bridge wasn't where Haku's inner conflict started. That's where it freaking went berzerk. When he was disguised as a hunter-nin and "killed" Zabuza, and Naruto blew up at him for doing so easily what Kakashi had struggled with, Haku probably tried to disregard Naruto's words and move on.

But then there was that scene in the forest, and THAT is when it all went downhill. He considered killing Naruto, but didn't. That would have been the perfect opporunity, as Naruto was asleep and oblivious to the world...and Haku would have suffered only a mild guilt trip, because he still hadn't got to know the boy. But...he didn't. Instead of strangling him, or sticking a needle through his neck, Haku gently shook Naruto awake and told him he'd "catch his death of cold".

Haku asked Naruto why he was out here, what he was doing...asked him if he was a ninja, and told him how "manly" that was (someone knows how to feed an ego! , and as soon as that happened, IMO, Haku didn't stand a chance.

...the end. Too tired for more.

Oh my goodness, this club was allowed to go stagnant for far too long. And so, slightly buzzed and unable to sleep, I resurrect it.

Hopefully for good this time. >.<


Anyways, concerning that old question of Haku's morality and whatnot that I posed a while ago...I had to quote your entry for its truth, Christ. Ever since meeting Naruto, Haku's personal sense of right and wrong and self-will became an issue in his life for the first time. And, had it been Sasuke or Sakura he found instead, I find it unlikely that they would have escaped alive. :D

I think one of the things that I always found most interesting about the whole Haku and his innocence trap was the use of his power (almost solely for causing the deaths of others) and how little it seemed to affect him.

And, I think this purity is directly linked to his loyalty to Zabuza.

Essentially, whether he was trying to be or not, Haku was terribly clever in his childhood naivete, when he said that he would be Zabuza's tool. A gun cannot choose who it is fired at. An arrow does not notch itself.

And, it is my belief that by truly allowing himself to be used, Haku essentially had no more responsibility for his actions than a kunai or shuriken does.

But, as you said, Christ, after meeting Naruto things began to change. And since Haku broke from his orders, leaving the blonde foxboy alive, he also destroyed that veil of innocence that kept his hands clean, no matter how many lives he took.

That is why one of my favorite manga panels and the one where Haku truly reveals how "berserk" his moral crisis has gone is this:

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Where Haku speaks of breaking his heart, I believe he is referring to both his innocence and the bond that he believes binds him and Zabuza together. He is acting of his own accord, and while working towards Zabuza's dreams, Haku has stopped being his tool.

In other words, his loyalty extends to the point that he is willing to sacrifice that special relationship that he has with the only man he has ever truly connected to along with his innocence, so that he can help fulfill Zabuza's dreams.

That's just all kinds of lovely, but more than anything it seems to reflect that age old sentiment of, "If you love something, then set it free." Or, true love is when you care about the other person's happiness more than your own.

And, although I believe that Haku would always have given everything he had to make Zabuza happy, this is the moment where he finally makes the decision to do so. Rather than letting a poor situation with few other alternatives (starving on the streets in a village where it always snows) dictate his actions.

So, yeah, there's my two cents on that subject, I suppose.

However, now so many other questions arise in my mind, particularly those concerning Zabuza's sense of right and wrong, whether it was innate or not, and how it impacted his relationship with Haku. As in, did Haku's innocence seem so much more attractive because it was completely foreign to the other man or was it beautiful because Zabuza saw something that he lost long ago and would never have the opportunity to regain?

Hrm...

Well, while I think more on that, I am going to leave you guys with some stuff.

First off, my Adobe programs have all crapped out on my computer (thankfully I am buying new ones tomorrow), but I decided to whip up a few non-moving banners in the meantime, as even if no one uses them...having them would be kind of nice.

So...meh, better ones later, I suppose.

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Also, have some more fanart to share, if anyone wants to see. Which considering how slow this FC moves...I dunno, but here it is.

Oh, and I would have posted more but for the damned image limit on posts. So more if we can actually get some responses on this page.

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Lastly, erm...well, I guess I have a short drabble on the pairing to post.

You see, I am in the midst of writing 100 or so of these things for my "Sunlight and Shadows" Collection (each one consisting of 100 words, no more and no less....blech :( ) and I want to cover as many characters without repeating. On my livejournal, I took requests for people I should do and in what order.

Zabuza x Haku got only one less vote than Rock Lee, and I just finished the youthful spandexed darling so it was time for a little canonical yaoi fun.

And, I figured, hey...what the hell, might as well post it here.

Be warned though that it's probably going to be revamped. ;)



Title: "Goodbyes"

Words: 100

The fighting had finally stopped.

Large, soft snowflakes drifted around the fallen pair, unable to melt against the cold skin of their uncovered faces.

One young man, beautiful beyond understanding, lay broken by his dreams, forever kept from realizing his true desires, his true potential.

And, as always, he was watched by one whose eyes had been emptied by life and longing. Whose blood-stained hands were used to bringing only death. Whose sole fear was just now being realized.

Could you ever have loved me as I loved you, Zabuza asks with a trembling touch.

And, with one tear, Haku answers.

[Dementia]

wow you guys like to write LOOOONG.....:sag

[Kuro]

hello people!

[Momochi Zabuza]

Where Haku speaks of breaking his heart, I believe he is referring to both his innocence and the bond that he believes binds him and Zabuza together. He is acting of his own accord, and while working towards Zabuza's dreams, Haku has stopped being his tool.

Therin lies much truth, oh wise and perceptive halfhearted. :love That's terribly tragic, what you noted. He's breaking, not only himself, but what used to be the only thing that mattered to him...his bond with Zabuza. :( (I say "used to", because in sparing the boys, he was sparing their dreams. He cared about their dreams.)

Though that is another point. >.> He cares about Naruto's goals (mainly, his desire for recognition), but in a completely different way from how he cares about Zabuza's. I think he sees himself in Naruto, someone desperate for attention and recognition but unsure how to get it, realizing later that you are truly appreciated, truly of any worth, when you love someone else...because where are they without your love? (As Haku said, "It is only through the eyes of others that our little lives have any meaning.")

Haku knew this long before their fight, and Naruto was just discovering it by attempting to avenge Sasuke. Sure, Naruto cared about other people before...but he'd never had to defend their honor, much less their lives. This was a big step for him, one that Haku had taken a long time ago. :)

In other words, his loyalty extends to the point that he is willing to sacrifice that special relationship that he has with the only man he has ever truly connected to along with his innocence, so that he can help fulfill Zabuza's dreams.

That's just all kinds of lovely, but more than anything it seems to reflect that age old sentiment of, "If you love something, then set it free." Or, true love is when you care about the other person's happiness more than your own.


I'm sort of confused by this. Could you clarify? :/ First paragraph sounds like you're talking about Naruto...if so, I agree. :D The second part just confuses me. Who's happiness are we talking about, here? >.>

And, although I believe that Haku would always have given everything he had to make Zabuza happy, this is the moment where he finally makes the decision to do so. Rather than letting a poor situation with few other alternatives (starving on the streets in a village where it always snows) dictate his actions.

Hmm...reminds me of what he said to Naruto, about Sasuke: "He was a shinobi worthy of the utmost respect who in order to protect someone he cared about, threw himself headlong into what he knew full well was a trap."

I don't suppose he realized he was predicting the future, hm? :sweat

Or maybe he knew exactly that...

However, now so many other questions arise in my mind, particularly those concerning Zabuza's sense of right and wrong, whether it was innate or not, and how it impacted his relationship with Haku. As in, did Haku's innocence seem so much more attractive because it was completely foreign to the other man or was it beautiful because Zabuza saw something that he lost long ago and would never have the opportunity to regain?

People often note that 'Zabuza slaughtered all those Academy kids without mercy, even looking back on it fondly', but no one mentions that by the time we saw him, he had had years to cope with that event. I don't think he remembers it fondly. In my mind, he was over it, but he harbored no fluffy feelings toward that particular set of memories. :/

The main reason I think that is because of that flashback we had of little Zabuza (who was freaking adorable, despite the gore XP). His knees were pulled up to his chest, and his face was buried in his hands...that's not a happy memory. It couldn't have been. :/ He said that to scare the piss out of some woefully inexperienced genin and their oh-so-esteemed, trapped-in-a-ball-of-water-HELPLESS sensei. :p

So...yeah, even Zabuza was innocent, once.

Now, for the MOST IMPORTANT part! :yell

*SQQQQQQQQQQQQQUUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEE!!!!!!!* :wtf :wtf

Forgive me, but those are some fucking gorgeous banners! And the fanart, and the drabble (:cry)?! :spaz

I cannot adequately convey my feelings. So I'll just say that your post was uber-1337. :vegetant

THIS IS THE LAST PLACE I'M GOING TO POST THIS AMV, I PROMISE! DX

For those who aren't in the Hyuugacest FC or the Zabuza FC, here's a very awesome, not pairing-centric AMV... It has some ZabuHaku moments in it, though, so I thought it was worth sharing. <3

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[halfhearted]

wow you guys like to write LOOOONG.....

:laugh Yeah, we are wicked LAP writers! I hope it doesn't intimidate other members, keeping them from contributing. Anything is welcome!

This FC is starting to turn into a ZabuHaku lovefest between me and Christ...kind of like how few people contribute in the Pairing Peace FC, nowadays. :cry

hello people!

Hi!

*waves hello and pulls out a chair*

Sit down and stay for a chat. Like I said earlier, any posts are welcome. :tem


Though that is another point. >.> He cares about Naruto's goals (mainly, his desire for recognition), but in a completely different way from how he cares about Zabuza's. I think he sees himself in Naruto, someone desperate for attention and recognition but unsure how to get it, realizing later that you are truly appreciated, truly of any worth, when you love someone else...because where are they without your love? (As Haku said, "It is only through the eyes of others that our little lives have any meaning.")

I like how you worded this. It sort of implies that Zabuza's real worth isn't in how many men he's killed, who he's tortured or why, but his meaning lies in his love for Haku and Haku's love for him. Which as a fangirl, I would agree with completely.

Haku knew this long before their fight, and Naruto was just discovering it by attempting to avenge Sasuke. Sure, Naruto cared about other people before...but he'd never had to defend their honor, much less their lives. This was a big step for him, one that Haku had taken a long time ago.

One point of contention with this statement would be Naruto's defense of Iruka in the first chapter. However, I agree that Iruka's possible death didn't really affect Naruto, just because he probably never fully realized how life and death that situation was. But, you are right. Until this point, Naruto had never consciously decided to kill another person in defense of someone else (despite his blustering towards Mizuki). This is the first time it was more than just a simple reaction.

I'm sort of confused by this. Could you clarify? :/ First paragraph sounds like you're talking about Naruto...if so, I agree. The second part just confuses me. Who's happiness are we talking about, here? >.>

Some poor wording on my part. :sweatdrop

Yes, I was talking about Naruto in the first part. In the second part, I was making a reference to how Haku willingly gave everything up that he cared about or might have potentially cared for(outside of Zabuza) to help the Hidden Mist nin realize his dreams (power and Mizukage...dom).

So, I was talking about Zabuza's...happiness. Although that word really doesn't fit with him, as such, I suppose. :oh


People often note that 'Zabuza slaughtered all those Academy kids without mercy, even looking back on it fondly', but no one mentions that by the time we saw him, he had had years to cope with that event. I don't think he remembers it fondly. In my mind, he was over it, but he harbored no fluffy feelings toward that particular set of memories. :/

The main reason I think that is because of that flashback we had of little Zabuza (who was freaking adorable, despite the gore XP). His knees were pulled up to his chest, and his face was buried in his hands...that's not a happy memory. It couldn't have been. :/ He said that to scare the piss out of some woefully inexperienced genin and their oh-so-esteemed, trapped-in-a-ball-of-water-HELPLESS sensei.

So...yeah, even Zabuza was innocent, once.

This panel:

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Hrm, to be honest, I never fully considered this. To me, there was a little bit of malevolence in the chibi Zabuza's eyes. But, now that you mention it...:plot

One of the best ways to determine how someone is feeling is through their body language rather than by what shows on their face. And in the above panel, Zabuza's body is alone and distressed and, obviously, unhappy with the situation.

Actually, I'm glad you brought this up as I have many thoughts towards Zabuza's motivations and morality that fit with this idea.

In my opinion, rather than being the creature of violent passion that he sets loose to kill Gatou, I think that Zabuza is actually a creature of utter rationality. Machiavellian. Ends justify the means.

-His only known interests are power, Haku, and his desire to become the Mizukage.

-He put an end to a barbaric system of choosing new shinobi in the Hidden Mist village. And despite committing mass murder, chibi Zabuza likely saved more lives than he took in that encounter. Due to the fact that students wouldn't be set against one another any longer, twice a year.

-He does have a few moments where he seems to enjoy the suffering of others and he is definitely sociopathic/sadistic (although this might partially be some kind of defense mechanism). But, overall, the effects of his violent actions aren't half so bad as they seem.

Though, I guarantee, the softness in my heart for Zabuza probably has a great deal to do with this analysis. A part of me sincerely believes that Zabuza's heart reached out for Haku's innocence because he sees how clean he could have been, how pure.

That must have been quite appealing for a man whose known sin (in the generic sense) since he was younger than Haku, street urchin version.


Now, for the MOST IMPORTANT part! :yell

*SQQQQQQQQQQQQQUUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEE!!!!!!!*

Forgive me, but those are some fucking gorgeous banners! And the fanart, and the drabble (:cry)?!

I cannot adequately convey my feelings. So I'll just say that your post was uber-1337.

:redface You praise me too often, Christ. But, thank you dearly.

[Momochi Zabuza]

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a311/SanativeStigma/laugh.gif Yeah, we are wicked LAP writers! I hope it doesn't intimidate other members, keeping them from contributing. Anything is welcome!

We wouldn't want anyone to feel unwelcome! :D Or maybe you're just enjoying the mini essay we've got going here. XD

This FC is starting to turn into a ZabuHaku lovefest between me and Christ...kind of like how few people contribute in the Pairing Peace FC, nowadays.

Did someone say ZabuHaku lovefest?! :kloff

I would love to see more people contributing in Pairing Peace. There are a lot of members, so it seems like people like the idea (or at least want us to think they do :vegetant), but not as many people are willing to commit to it. XD

I like how you worded this. It sort of implies that Zabuza's real worth isn't in how many men he's killed, who he's tortured or why, but his meaning lies in his love for Haku and Haku's love for him. Which as a fangirl, I would agree with completely.

Absolutely! :3 Zabuza's reputation may have been important to him (what a wonderfully arrogant creature :love), and even to Haku (because he wasn't naive enough not to recognize social presence when he had it XD), but in the end he was willing to swallow his pride and kill Gato in honor of Haku's sacrifice. It wouldn't have been so obvious if he hadn't cried, or if he hadn't asked a former enemy to lay him to rest beside the one he loved...

One point of contention with this statement would be Naruto's defense of Iruka in the first chapter. However, I agree that Iruka's possible death didn't really affect Naruto, just because he probably never fully realized how life and death that situation was. But, you are right. Until this point, Naruto had never consciously decided to kill another person in defense of someone else (despite his blustering towards Mizuki). This is the first time it was more than just a simple reaction.

My mistake. I forgot about the awesomely ordinary Iruka-sensei. >:3 But you're right, it did seem more like a gut reaction...and to me at least, screaming at Mizuki paled in comparison to what he came so close to doing to Haku. (Sorry if I'm not making sense, or if I'm being repetitive. I'm really tired! :sweatdrop)

And thanks for clearing that one part up. I'm less confuzzled now. <3

Hrm, to be honest, I never fully considered this. To me, there was a little bit of malevolence in the chibi Zabuza's eyes. But, now that you mention it...

Thanks for that panel! :whoo I guess that's where I messed up, then...I had only seen the anime version of that scene, and in that one you couldn't see his malevolent chibi eyes. DX

Which kind of weirds me out, actually, because Haku mentioned something along the lines of having the same eyes as Zabuza. o.o

*is suitably creeped out*

One of the best ways to determine how someone is feeling is through their body language rather than by what shows on their face. And in the above panel, Zabuza's body is alone and distressed and, obviously, unhappy with the situation.

True, true... Maybe it was the slaughter he enjoyed, and not so much the seeing-everybody-dead. >.> So, even if he's not crying over spilt blood, he's not yet sadistic enough to not be remorseful?

Actually, I'm glad you brought this up as I have many thoughts towards Zabuza's motivations and morality that fit with this idea.

Thoughts? :plot I love thoughts! You must share them! :yell

-His only known interests are power, Haku, and his desire to become the Mizukage.

Which sort of makes me question his motivations for joining the Seven Shinobi Swordsmen of the Mist or whatever. They're the elite, so there's the power. Haku presumably hadn't come into play yet. And I suppose a few of them could have helped him try to overthrow the Mizukage...

He put an end to a barbaric system of choosing new shinobi in the Hidden Mist village. And despite committing mass murder, chibi Zabuza likely saved more lives than he took in that encounter. Due to the fact that students wouldn't be set against one another any longer, twice a year.

SO TRUE. If you're suggesting what I think you're suggesting, that little Zabuza was aware of the reforms that would have to be made, chances are the situation was already affecting him, somehow. And I don't even know what I mean by that.

It could have been all the children dying, and the families left to cope with that. Or it could have been his hatred of the government in general, the first sparks of political rebelliouness! :plot

-He does have a few moments where he seems to enjoy the suffering of others and he is definitely sociopathic/sadistic (although this might partially be some kind of defense mechanism). But, overall, the effects of his violent actions aren't half so bad as they seem.

What are those few moments? My mind wants to go back to his first fight with Kakashi, when he took Naruto's hitai-ite and tried to squish the life out of Sasuke. ><

I bet he does enjoy inflicting pain, to a certain extent. "When you look into the abyss, the abyss looks into you" and all that. But you're 100% right about 'the effects of his violent actions' not being 'half so bad as they seem', the one exception that we know of being his willingness to kill Tazuna. DX

(Then again, maybe he thought the Land of Waves was a small price to pay for his seat as Mizukage? Perhaps he thought back to his own childhood in Kirigakure, and thought his country was more desperate for reform than the one these knuckle-headed shinobi were fighting for? >.>)

Though, I guarantee, the softness in my heart for Zabuza probably has a great deal to do with this analysis. A part of me sincerely believes that Zabuza's heart reached out for Haku's innocence because he sees how clean he could have been, how pure.

I wouldn't doubt it, if only for the relationships between, say, Kakashi and Sasuke or Iruka and Naruto. Even Gai and Lee. Every adult sees in children all that they could have been, despite Zabuza and Haku's relationship going, err...a different route. >.>

Oh! Something just occured to me! :omg Haku, as far as we know, never actually told Zabuza that he had killed his father. How innocent, I wonder, would Haku have appeared then?

You praise me too often, Christ. But, thank you dearly.

You deserve all that and more, my fellow ZabuHaku fangirl in crime. <3

[Puppet_From_The_Dead]

May I please join? :wtf This pairing is so kawaii! I just love ZabuzaxHaku! :love

[halfhearted]

May I please join? :wtf This pairing is so kawaii! I just love ZabuzaxHaku! :love

Of course! :P

Welcome to the club, Puppet_From_The_Dead! Temari will get your name on the members list as soon as she stops in, and please enjoy yourself!

Conversation is open and you can jump in at anytime.

It's pretty much a ZabuHaku lovefest 24/7 here :amuse

[Puppet_From_The_Dead]

Yay! When I watched the episode where Haku died, I was totally crying my eyes out! It was so sad, but so sweet at the same time. And the way Zabuza only treats Haku with some respect! They seem to care for each other so much! Though it may not seem Zabuza shows it, he showed it at the end of the episode. I really think Zabuza and Haku share a special bond. :love

[halfhearted]

Yay! When I watched the episode where Haku died, I was totally crying my eyes out! It was so sad, but so sweet at the same time. And the way Zabuza only treats Haku with some respect! They seem to care for each other so much! Though it may not seem Zabuza shows it, he showed it at the end of the episode. I really think Zabuza and Haku share a special bond. :love

I am right there with you :cry

Actually, I swear, I've seen Episode 18 and 19 (their final two) a bazillion times and it still gets me...every...single...time. It's completely and utterly insane.

And wonderful. :amuse

Normally, I can handle myself all the way up until Naruto starts bitching Zabuza out, but by the time the great lug of a Hidden Mist nin starts crying (you know, when they do that wonderful thing with the ground getting wet but not actually showing the person tearing up)...that's it. I'm done. :cry

But, then, I am a bit of a crybaby when it comes to meaningful moments. Thank god, I'm not loud about it, I suppose.

P.S. I love you, Puppet_From_The_Dead, new poster who actually says something after joining :wtf

[Momochi Zabuza]

Welcome, Puppet_From_The_Dead~ :amuse

ZabuHaku is being called a crack pairing in HoU. :arg Here's a link (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=254334), if you feel like defending the canoniest pairing in Naruto. XD

Also...has anyone heard "Your Guardian Angel", by The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus? I tried to find the actual video, but all I can find is fanmade...stuff. DX

The lyrics...are perfect for this pairing, even more perfect than Saliva's "Bleed For Me", which I am convinced was written for ZabuHaku. Really. :noworry

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:wtf

"I will never let you fall, I'll stand up with you forever. I'll be there for you through it all, even if saving you sends me to heaven... / Use me as you will, pull my strings just for a thrill...and I know I'll be okay, though my skies are turning gray..."

[halfhearted]

First off, beyond lovely song^. It gave me all the good kinds of shivers, as I was listening to it and thinking of ZabuHaku. And, you are right, insanely perfect lyrics. :love

I've never heard Saliva's "Bleed for Me", but I'm baffled that those could be better than this song.

Oh, and defended some ZabuzaxHaku honor in the crack thread. Darn FMA9 and his strange, incomprehensible inability to understand developed relationships and two-sided love!

[Dementia]

:laugh Yeah, we are wicked LAP writers! I hope it doesn't intimidate other members, keeping them from contributing. Anything is welcome!
Indeed.:sag That's the case. I feel so stupid around here:sag

[Momochi Zabuza]

First off, beyond lovely song^. It gave me all the good kinds of shivers, as I was listening to it and thinking of ZabuHaku. And, you are right, insanely perfect lyrics. :love

It gets me all sad and near-weepy when I hear it! D: (The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus obviously appreciates good yaoi. Which would explain their clothes. :noworry)

I've never heard Saliva's "Bleed for Me", but I'm baffled that those could be better than this song.

"Bleed For Me" is chalk-full of ZabuHaku goodness. >D And it's strange and awesome, because the chorus sounds like it's from Zabuza's POV, and the rest sounds like it's from Haku's...

"All I ever wanted was to feel I had a purpose, but now that's all gone..." <== Haku :nuts

Just one love, just one life
you'd bleed for me
and I didn't dare to notice you
now I'm stuck out on a line
You'd bleed for me
I didn't care to be with you
now you're stuck in my mind <== Zabuza T___T *sobs pathetically*

Now that I think about it, anything Saliva writes makes me think of ZabuHaku. :oh (Because there's also "Rest In Pieces", and other Songs of Angst. :arg)

Oh, and defended some ZabuzaxHaku honor in the crack thread. Darn FMA9 and his strange, incomprehensible inability to understand developed relationships and two-sided love!

FMA9 likes NaruHina, mostly Hinata, and that's about it. XD But he's a cool guy. :love (You know, I don't know much about you outside of your love for ZabuHaku, your birthday, and your Social Security number. :vegetant What other pairings d'you like? You watch the dub or subs? XD *woah, leik im a stalking u*)


Indeed.:sag That's the case. I feel so stupid around here:sag


Aww, dem. Don't feel bad. :hug We're just...passionate, or maybe "rabid" would be a better word. XD

[Dementia]

Ahem. Maybe.:sag
so I guess I'll....lurk around >.>

[halfhearted]

Indeed. That's the case. I feel so stupid around here

Don't feel stupid! Christ is right. Her and I are just massively rabid fangirls that have put an excessive (as if that's possible) amount of time into thinking about Zabuza x Haku.

Plus, I don't know about Christ, but my posts aren't all that overly perceptive.

Just dense.

Really really dense.

Hence why I forced myself to start writing 100 word drabbles...

If you feel just like lurking that's ok, but know that you are always welcome. And, just saying hi is a good enough reason to post!


FMA9 likes NaruHina, mostly Hinata, and that's about it. XD But he's a cool guy.(You know, I don't know much about you outside of your love for ZabuHaku, your birthday, and your Social Security number. What other pairings d'you like? You watch the dub or subs? XD *woah, leik im a stalking u*)

First off, you're my favorite stalker, Christ. :love

Now that the most important information has been taken care of, ONTO THE PAIRINGS!

Of course, ZabuHaku is my OTP. Hence, the only pairing FC I've joined.

And, besides them I am pretty much open to all pairings (with one exception).

However, there are a few that I like a little more or, you know, love with the madness only a crazed, sugar-filled fangirl can truly achieve.

These are pretty much in no particular order, as how much I am in love with them varies depending on which fanfic I read last or fanart that I saw last or discussion I last took part in:

WARNING: LAP having nothing to do with ZabuHaku below!!! Sorry, guys! I didn't mean to go off like this! Agh! Exclamation points!

NaruSasuNaru: I love this pairing for its pain and angst and unrequited confusion. While I don't particularly enjoy fanfiction or fanart based on the pairing (primarily due to how I view their relationship), the few pieces that I do enjoy end up being some of my favorite fanarts, in general. It's got canon backup, tragic beauty, emotional intensity and a raw truth that scrapes against your heart like a five year old's knee on pavement.

Not to mention the fact that it has spawned some of the series' sexiest and most romantic phrases :love:

"I'll break your arms *and* your legs and take you home by force!"

"Even if I have to break all the bones in your body and drag you home, I won't let you go to Orochimaru!"

But, to be honest, these panels are what got me more than anything just because they express the insane emotional connection between these two that kills me(is trying not to turn this into a ship manifesto and failing)-


http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x290/halfhearted_nf/stare.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x290/halfhearted_nf/233_3.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x290/halfhearted_nf/233_2.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x290/halfhearted_nf/233.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x290/halfhearted_nf/233_kiss.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x290/halfhearted_nf/friendship_2.jpg




NejiHina: I first fell for this pairing after being introduced to it by way of Sintari's "Rosemary for Remembrance" (http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x290/halfhearted_nf/friendship_2.jpg)(still one of my all-time favorite fanfics). And, one of my MAJOR pet peeves is when people say that is zero-sided. Not only do I find its fanart and fanfiction to be INSANELY gorgeous, this pairing has some of the best angst and emotion built into it.

But, more than that, it is the one pairing on the show that I can see growing and developing into a working, happy, equal relationship between two people that know each other better than anyone else ever could (There are no secrets in Hyuuga House :wink). Not to mention the fact that even while their similarities help them grow together, their differences compliment one another. Of course, this is just the tip of the iceberg, but I already went over the top in my explanation of NaruSasuNaru.

What the hell, here's a little more...

Actually, I am in the midst of writing a one-shot that focuses on Hinata in her late twenties, early thirties after Naruto has become Hokage and she has become the head of Hyuuga House, and there is the implication and outright statement that she is with Neji, although not married to him (as my story has her passing on leadership not to Hanabi but to Hanabi's children, in order to throw the Main Branch succession into confusion and destroying it. Thus, Hinata will not allow herself to marry and will not allow herself the luxury of children).

So, yes, I love Hyuugacest.

NejiGaa: Yes, it's total crack. And will never ever ever be canon, but there is a strange compatibility to these two that's fascinated me ever since I first came upon the idea. Their experiences are so different but their inability to express sexual desire, their estranged family situations that slowly grow better, both getting their asses handed to them (along with a good dose of common sense) by Naruto, their intelligence, ability and similar quiet coolness.

Not to mention the fact that they are both emotional wrecks shielded with arrogance and pain who no longer have those shields to rely on.

Its these similarities that I think could bring these two together, fostering a deep, meaningful, quiet relationship.

Rather than rubbing each other raw, this pairing would be about softly kissing the booboos better.

Well, actually, I can't see them being affectionate like that...

More like aloe vera on a sunburn than kiss on a wound.

Plus, it looks good. No pupils. Forehead tattoos. Pale skin. Rawr!

I could go on forever, but I think I'll save it for a livejournal entry ;).

Or my fanfic (on chapter 13), although not focused on romance this is one of the main pairings. But, I wouldn't recommend reading it. I JUST found out how to edit chapters on ff.net, and so am finally getting a chance to edit the first drafts I posted like four years ago.

Seriously, mucho bad writing. Or, at least, it's insanely pompous.

And, I am posting new ones, simultaneously. It's pretty strange.

SakuIno: I love this pairing quite desperately, despite the fact that I love it best when it's just Ino in love with Sakura and not, necessarily, Sakura loving Ino back. Because, in canon, that's really what I am seeing.

But, whether it's one-sided, two-sided or an attachment to a wonderful LeeInoSaku threesome, I love SakuIno (although I see it more as InoSaku, actually).

They both mirror each other (like NejiGaa) and compliment each other (like NejiHina). They drive one another to be better than they might be without, and there is a clumsy admiration and genuine affection between the two girls that not even their empty Sasuke obsession can hide. They care desperately about each other, in spite of themselves. And, more importantly, they know every single fault that the other girl has (taunting her with it on occasion) and they are still best friends/rivals, regardless.

Plus, like all rivals, I love the inevitable sparks of potential sexual tension that one can imagine between them. Even though it's probably not really there. And, even though I see their sexual love as a much softer thing. Flowers. Blooming sakuras and complimenting cosmos.


InoShikaChou- Normally, I don't ship threesomes. But, I love these guys and I love them together. I don't want Shika or Chouji going off with Ino alone or running away together or Shikamaru running off to Suna with Temari. I want them all to stay together, a big cuddly team of sex and love and annoyance.

Actually, this one-shot explains EXACTLY why I wouldn't mind this becoming canon (which it never will): "Teddy" (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2496705/1/Teddy)


LeeIno: I like Ino pairings, huh? Hrm, I never really noticed it before. I can't really explain why I like this one.

I just read some great fanfiction, and I like the idea that what's one's person's trash can be another person's treasure (as in Sakura probably doesn't care for Lee in canon like he would want her to). This will never happen, but I think it would show some true growth in Ino and her insane level of affection-giving is sooo similar to Lee's that they would really be happy with each other.

If they were, you know, attracted to each other in the first place.

Which they're not.

Sadly.

KakaSaku:Ha, this drabble was the first that I ever wrote and it was about this pairing. (http://www.fanfiction.net/secure/live_preview.php?storyid=3561415) I just like the idea of Sakura ending up with Kakashi. They've loved and lost; they're not innocent or weak; their both perverted but good-hearted. And, they know each other. It's just pleasant and complimentary, and I would love to see it become canon (even though it won't).

If only because of how content the two might be.

For the first time really.

LeeSaku: Actually, I used to like this one a lot more than I do now. I just want Lee to be happy SO BAD. But, I honestly don't think Sakura could be satisfied with him, and I think the youthful young man deserves someone who is going to treat him as he deserves.

But, the romantic side of me still loves it.

OroJir: You know why!

Haha, I think I am going to stop now. But, these are only the pairings that I would truly love to see become canon (Holy Contradictions, Batman! Like they could ALL work...), not all the ones I like.

But, let's not get started on crack. That just leads to Team Gai orgies, Zetsu planting Hanabi and Shikamaru shadow-pinching Neji's butt.

Wait, butt-pinching?

...on second thought :D

More on other post. Apparently, I went over the word limit...*blush*

Sorry, again, everyone for these long posts.

[Dementia]

"Bleed For Me" is chalk-full of ZabuHaku goodness. >D And it's strange and awesome, because the chorus sounds like it's from Zabuza's POV, and the rest sounds like it's from Haku's...

"All I ever wanted was to feel I had a purpose, but now that's all gone..." <== Haku

Just one love, just one life
you'd bleed for me
and I didn't dare to notice you
now I'm stuck out on a line
You'd bleed for me
I didn't care to be with you
now you're stuck in my mind <== Zabuza T___T *sobs pathetically
reminds me of lyric


It's okay had a bad day
hands are bruised from breaking rocks all day
Drained and blue, I bleed for you...
you think it's funny well you're drowning in it too...

:sag

[Momochi Zabuza]

*saving my spot! Will have perfectly good answers after done with teh buying of things*

I believe you! :salute

And dem, my posts are also just large. XD There's nothing particularly insightful in them, I just like saying, "IT WAS CANON, BEETCHES! :love"


reminds me of lyric

Drained and blue, I bleed for you...

:sag


:cry

[Dementia]

Oh I extended the quote:sag
and yeah this song is really..*sob*..really sad..

[Momochi Zabuza]

I noticed. :nod (And it's still really sad. D: I don't understand...I love fluff, I really do...and yet my OTPs are ZabuHaku and NejiHina, WTF?! :arg)

I found this LONG essay (http://cesario.livejournal.com/153661.html) on mentor/apprentice pairings... >.> It has no ZabuHaku, but if you're obsessive (like me XD) you'll find some way to apply it. ;P

[halfhearted]

Answered your first question in my old post, and now...here's more.

I went over the word limit :redface


As for whether I watch the subs or dubs, I am an official subtard. And, in actuality, I have only seen one episode of the dub. :oh

I blame this on the fact that I started watching back in 2002. By the time the dub came out, all of the characters' voices were irretrievably set in my mind as the Japanese voices. Trying to watch one episode I felt lost, as it seemed like a bad joke fandub. Not like the real characters, to me.

I haven't tried any further episodes due to this and due to the fact that I heard about the loads of censorship being done to the dub (i.e. Tsunade isn't a drunk, less blood, no swearing, etc.) And, I don't like how it is acted. The one episode I watched (the first one) didn't have the same raw emotional power to it (the Iruka, shuriken in the back scene) nor did I find the way they acted out the jokes all that funny. So...meh.

Each to their own. :wink

NOW, more important than that awful long post and this addendum that barely mentioned Zabuza and Haku, what are YOUR favorite pairings (besides ZabuHaku), Christ, and why? Subs, dub?

Can I stalk you too? >.<

And, anyone else who wants to answer, of course...I guess. :vegetant

Muahahahaha, Christ and I have taken over the FC! It is ours! Well, erm, dementia can come too...

*chuckles evilly*

Oh, and I think I am going to download Saliva's "Bleed for Me". The lyrics are almost too perfect. :cry

[Dementia]

I feel privileged:nod:ninja

[Momochi Zabuza]

First off, you're my favorite stalker, Christ.

You know you wouldn't want it any other way. :love

And, besides them I am pretty much open to all pairings (with one exception).

*resists urge to pry*

However, there are a few that I like a little more or, you know, love with the madness only a crazed, sugar-filled fangirl can truly achieve.

I wouldn't know what that's like. :vegetant

Answered your first question in my old post, and now...here's more.

I went over the word limit :redface

I like putting putting up with your crap. It's one of those unhealthy hobbies, like infanticide. <3

As for whether I watch the subs or dubs, I am an official subtard. And, in actuality, I have only seen one episode of the dub.

One episode? Wow! I don't know if I could stomach that...I mean, I'm a subbie myself, but if I'm desperate I'm not afraid to turn on the tube. But when I first started liking Naruto (which is not the same as when I first saw it XD), I would watch only the subs.

Haha. Iruka's scene had no emotion. You don't want to see the Wave Country Arc, ever.

NOW, more important than that awful long post and this addendum that barely mentioned Zabuza and Haku, what are YOUR favorite pairings (besides ZabuHaku), Christ, and why? Subs, dub?

Can I stalk you too? >.<

This post will be most redundant (apparently, ZabuHaku isn't all we have in common XDD), but...

Only if you promise.

NejiHina is probably my second favorite pairing in the series, and I've loved it since my long-forgotten days as a NaruHina fan. I think I'm just going to quote myself here. Because I'm lazy. <3

There's not much I can say that hasn't already been said, but I'll try: Neji and Hinata as a couple click for me more than NaruHina ever has, despite the fact that I was somewhat of a NaruHina fan when I first started watching Naruto (coincidentally, around the Chuunin exams).

And I don't think Neji ships anything. He knows Naruto is a great guy (if a determined idiot, but he's learning to understand those types of people), and he wants Hinata to be happy. He's shown more interest in her interests than any other character, and calling him an evil wife beater because of what went on at the beginning of the series is not fucking fair. Hinata's eyes are good, she saw "underneath the underneath" with Neji just as she did with Naruto, and because of that he lashed out at her. If Hinata can forgive him, if Hinata didn't blame him in the first place, who are you to say he was entirely in the wrong?

He was hurting, she was convenient. The reason he hasn't been grovelling at her feet, weeping his pain and regret and begging for forgiveness, is because he's not that much of a nuisance. He's a freaking ninja. He has better things to do, like feed the orphans and encourage and protect Hinata-sama.

Really, though: He didn't have to ask for forgiveness or understanding; she gave that willingly. He knows she doesn't blame him.

I really adore Hinata. The moment I started liking her was when she told Neji that he was the one suffering, not her. (The only reason I hang out in the anti- FC is because of her fantards. :arg) That was such a brilliant moment for her character, and I don't understand why people still assume that Neji is some cold-hearted bastard...when Hinata never felt that way about him.

He hated her, and she was willing to die for the sake of their destinies. She fought against something that was supposedly "in her nature", something that she was told over and over again she couldn't change...and through this, she taught Neji that not only could he fight fate, but that she, Hyuuga Hinata, unworthy of her own bloodline, had always been there for him. :wtf

I love NejiHina. T_______T

I will never not love this pairing, it's grown on me that much. (Ahh, Sintari. How we of the Hyuugacest persuasion love you. ^^)

And, one of my MAJOR pet peeves is when people say that is zero-sided. Not only do I find its fanart and fanfiction to be INSANELY gorgeous, this pairing has some of the best angst and emotion built into it.

I absolutely agree! Though NejiHina has had no overt romantic development, the potential is there and always has been. :/ (I'm fine with NejiTen, I have no problems with it...but there are those who say they have more chemistry than NejiHina will ever have and those people break my brain.)

I'm afraid I can't join you in your love for NejiGaa. *weeps* Ahem...long ago, my wise Oriental mentor (who wears strangely fashioned underpants, when he wears any at all) told me to say no to drugs and alchohol, and all things SasuNeji and/or Gaa. ><

SakuIno: I love this pairing quite desperately, despite the fact that I love it best when it's just Ino in love with Sakura and not, necessarily, Sakura loving Ino back. Because, in canon, that's really what I am seeing ... (although I see it more as InoSaku, actually).

:wtf

There is no limit to how much agreeing with you I can do. XDD I adore InoSaku, especially Ino->Saku, with every fiber in my good little fangirl heart. :kloff

And I'm actually becoming fond of LeeHina, myself. :] He's all she liked in Naruto, and he's a gentleman!

And, anyone else who wants to answer, of course...I guess. :vegetant

Yeah, our club isn't exclusive. :vegetant

Muahahahaha, Christ and I have taken over the FC! It is ours! Well, erm, dementia can come too...

*chuckles evilly*

I feel privileged

We're all about the luv, beybeh!! >3

Oh, and I think I am going to download Saliva's "Bleed for Me". The lyrics are almost too perfect. :cry

Aww, good to know~ "Bleed For Me" gives me those happy/sad ZabuHaku feelings. :3

[Aishiteru]

Awww!!! :cry
JOINAGE TO THE MAX, PLZ. <3

[Momochi Zabuza]

Welcome! :wtf

we never shut up

[Aishiteru]

Welcome! :wtf

we never shut up

A-Arigato gozaimasu! :wtf

I love this pairing, either het or yaoi. After seeing the FC image, I was welled up in tears. Oh my gawd. T_T Their whole story is so saddening. R.I.P. Zabuza and Haku. *wails* :'(

[Momochi Zabuza]

Temari-hime checks back in every so often, so you'll get added eventually. We love new members. <3 (Especially those that aren't afraid to pimp their pairing! :pleased)

And while I'm not much for girl!Haku, ZabuHaku het would certainly be interesting. XD

[Aishiteru]

^
Well, I see Haku as a guy, but girl-Haku and Zabuza would be interesting. =P

As for my first contribution...:pleased...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4env6q9SpeE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaT_i7McIW4
Wow... so sad. :(

[Momochi Zabuza]

^ Aww, thank you so much! :wtf

Now we have clips to use as evidence when crazy people in HoU claim ZabuHaku wasn't canon. :evil

[Aishiteru]

^
I know! If you look at Zabuza and Haku's death, Zabuza gives him "a look." Aww~ :fangasm:

[Momochi Zabuza]

*fangasms with you* :kloff

Caressing another person's face is not usually a platonic gesture, I don't know how the hell I'd feel if my friend/father/brother (or whatever they say Zabuza is to Haku :arg) did that to me. XDD

Ever notice how their lips are placed? Someone, some animator in Japan, drew that on purpose! IT WAS DELIBERATE!

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa81/belalugosi-is-dead/zabuza18.jpg

[Aishiteru]

Aw... I need to steal the front image to the FC and make a damn icon. <3 But yeah, I guess you're right (*doesn't know what platonic means and tried looking in the dictionary, but failed to understand*). Imagine yourself in that situation, though. Your best friend of the same sex (or even opposite sex) died and you're still alive. Might as well show them as much affection as Zabuza did. They're not even there, so... Ah, the thought makes me sad. :(

[Momochi Zabuza]

Aw... I need to steal the front image to the FC and make a damn icon. <3 But yeah, I guess you're right (*doesn't know what platonic means and tried looking in the dictionary, but failed to understand*). Imagine yourself in that situation, though. Your best friend of the same sex (or even opposite sex) died and you're still alive. Might as well show them as much affection as Zabuza did. They're not even there, so... Ah, the thought makes me sad. :(

To have a platonic relationship with someone means you're not physically attracted to them...that you're just friends, and nothing more. :nod

And that's a really sad thought. :( (What's worse is that it actually happened! :arg And poor Zabuza...he was only able to give Haku affection when Haku wasn't alive to receive it...)

[Aishiteru]

^
Omg. :wtf You're right. :arg That's so freakin' saddening. Haku gave him all of his love and made sure that he's dream came true. Haku's special person was Zabuza. *more wailing* Wow. I can become an emo kid because of this. Dx Zabuza caressed Haku's face. That could mean something more. ;]

@The Kiss?!: SQUEEGLE!! That's so cute. :nod :nod :love That's also when he gives him the look. Officially, I can say that ZabuHaku is my favourite yaoi/het pairing. :sag <3

[Dementia]

LOL fangasm :sag

[halfhearted]

*resists urge to pry*

Don't worry about prying, I'm like a freaking open book. :tem

It's not that I dislike any pairings, I am just uncomfortable with Shikamaru pairings.

InoShikaChou is okay. But ShikaIno, ShikaTem, ShikaChou, AsuShika, anything like that either takes Shikamaru away from his friends or isolates one of the InoShikChou formation or is just an instance of Shikamaru doing exactly like his dad did...puts me off. I don't know why. I guess I just don't like the whole "fated to end up with the nagging woman who will be nice...sometimes" motif.

Which isn't really an issue, except for how bothersome it can get sometimes having the pairing you like least being considered the most canon possibility (besides the obvious two).

But, I do really like some of the fanart and fanfiction, I just really hope it's never actually made canon.

In fact, I don't want any more pairings made canon. That ways fans can do whatever they want, free of guilt and anal retentive nitpickers.


I like putting putting up with your crap. It's one of those unhealthy hobbies, like infanticide. <3

D'aww, I like putting up with your crap, too!

*we are so adorable, aren't we?*

One episode? Wow! I don't know if I could stomach that...I mean, I'm a subbie myself, but if I'm desperate I'm not afraid to turn on the tube. But when I first started liking Naruto (which is not the same as when I first saw it XD), I would watch only the subs.

Haha. Iruka's scene had no emotion. You don't want to see the Wave Country Arc, ever.

No. No, I don't think I do.

I fear hearing my favorite voices being badly acted in the English dub and becoming tainted with its suckiness.


I absolutely agree! Though NejiHina has had no overt romantic development, the potential is there and always has been. :/ (I'm fine with NejiTen, I have no problems with it...but there are those who say they have more chemistry than NejiHina will ever have and those people break my brain.)

Yeah, I concur totally. NejiTen is fine. But, it's just very bland. There is no dynamic between the two, no tension. I could take it or leave it.

And, to be honest, if Neji somehow wasn't so closely related to Hinata, I guarantee that the NejiHina fandom would wildly increase, due to NejiTen defecters.

Like if he was her...second cousin :ninja


I'm afraid I can't join you in your love for NejiGaa. *weeps* Ahem...long ago, my wise Oriental mentor (who wears strangely fashioned underpants, when he wears any at all) told me to say no to drugs and alchohol, and all things SasuNeji and/or Gaa. ><

That's okay. :cry

To be honest, although I adore the crap out of the pairing, I don't entirely understand why either. Even though I kind of explained it, those aren't really the reasons. I just do. Agh!

Besides, ones should always listen to Oriental mentor's. PARTICULARLY, those who wear strangely-fashioned underpants. :nod



There is no limit to how much agreeing with you I can do. XDD I adore InoSaku, especially Ino->Saku, with every fiber in my good little fangirl heart.

:wtf

*loves Christ_On_A_2x4*

But, I can't lie. I have to admit one reason that I didn't give for why I adore the pairing in my last post...

While I tend to chase after dah boyz, occasionally, a lady strikes my fancy. And, if Ino were real...:amazed Oh, I would be so happy. Haha, I lust after love her in quite a strange and unnatural way.

I have the same level of affection for Sakura, too. But, no attraction, due to the fact that we are a little too similar for it to be kosher. Even though her FMBs, gloves, and pink hair are sexy as hell


Awww!!!
JOINAGE TO THE MAX, PLZ. <3


Of course! :tem

Welcome to the FC, oh lovely fangirl, and may your fangasms always scream out across our fair thread. :amuse

*looks at eK's posts so far*

I like you already :love.

LOL fangasm

ZabuHaku fans are the queens (and kings, I guess...pssht, are there any guys in this FC?) of the fangasm! :laugh

[Dementia]

If it was two months earlier, I could act as a guy.:tem


I watched the first season DUBBED on TV. this is what got me into naruto.:nod
but when I heard the Japanese voices....it's sub or nothing.(yes I guess they gave me fangasm...lol)

[Momochi Zabuza]

Don't worry about prying, I'm like a freaking open book. :tem

Haha...I was curious, just didn't want to be bothersome. ^^;

It's not that I dislike any pairings, I am just uncomfortable with Shikamaru pairings.

InoShikaChou is okay. But ShikaIno, ShikaTem, ShikaChou, AsuShika, anything like that either takes Shikamaru away from his friends or isolates one of the InoShikChou formation or is just an instance of Shikamaru doing exactly like his dad did...puts me off. I don't know why. I guess I just don't like the whole "fated to end up with the nagging woman who will be nice...sometimes" motif.

Which isn't really an issue, except for how bothersome it can get sometimes having the pairing you like least being considered the most canon possibility (besides the obvious two).

But, I do really like some of the fanart and fanfiction, I just really hope it's never actually made canon.

*facepalm*

Why didn't I assume ShikaTema? It was your choice for the "point out the best, in the pairings you like least" topic. :3

You know, InoShikaChou is the one team I don't mind splitting up, especially when the couples are TemaShika and InoChou. Don't get me wrong...I like both Temari and Ino with Shikamaru, and I don't even ship InoChou...but I always thought that if Ino were to wind up with Chouji, and Shikamaru with Temari, no one would feel left out because Chouji and Shikamaru are still best friends (and Ino, being his teammate and girlfriend of his best friend, would still interact with Shika).

I really need to read some AsuShika. Sounds sexy. :plot (*I've read plenty of ShikaChou and AsuIno*)

*shrugs* I have bigger issues with Team Seven, Eight, and Team Gai pairings. Especially Team Seven. :/ I just can't imagine two (or three--Kakashi! :vegetant) of them being happy without the other!

In fact, I don't want any more pairings made canon. That ways fans can do whatever they want, free of guilt and anal retentive nitpickers.

Amen to that. ZabuHaku was plenty. >:3

D'aww, I like putting up with your crap, too!

*we are so adorable, aren't we?*

We really are. <3

I fear hearing my favorite voices being badly acted in the English dub and becoming tainted with its suckiness.

Gotta give credit where credit is due, though. The dub guys did leave in Haku's "beautiful body" comment. For the record, way more than I expected.

Yeah, I concur totally. NejiTen is fine. But, it's just very bland. There is no dynamic between the two, no tension. I could take it or leave it.

And, to be honest, if Neji somehow wasn't so closely related to Hinata, I guarantee that the NejiHina fandom would wildly increase, due to NejiTen defecters.

Like if he was her...second cousin

NejiTen has the potential to be interesting, it's just...it doesn't interest me right now. (As much as I love Tenten. And I really, really do. T__T)

Or maybe her distant Uchiha cousin. :ninja

Besides, ones should always listen to Oriental mentor's. PARTICULARLY, those who wear strangely-fashioned underpants. :nod

Oh yes. Particularly those.

:wtf

*loves Christ_On_A_2x4*

But, I can't lie. I have to admit one reason that I didn't give for why I adore the pairing in my last post...

While I tend to chase after dah boyz, occasionally, a lady strikes my fancy. And, if Ino were real... Oh, I would be so happy. Haha, I lust after love her in quite a strange and unnatural way.

I have the same level of affection for Sakura, too. But, no attraction, due to the fact that we are a little too similar for it to be kosher. Even though her FMBs, gloves, and pink hair are sexy as hell

:wtf

*loves halfhearted* (OMG! We need a Gai/Lee sunset! T_____T)

I'm just the opposite. I tend to chase after dah girlz, but if the guy was Shino or Lee I would have to make an exception. Because Shino and Lee are +214392138 points for awesome.

I love Sakura. I would marry her and she would have my test tube babies. :drool (Love her...almost...as much as Tenten. Who has no personality, but I love her love her love her and and and---)

*breeeaaaaathes*

ew_younerd says it better than I ever will:

Ino. OMG INO ♥ BE WITH MEE!!! She's so sexy and I hate how she gets bashed because she's an awesome crackbaby and I'd let her take me ANYDAY. I love her with all three of the men on her team!! I'd love her owning Hinata or Sakura!!! I'd love her with Lee!! I JUST LOVE HER!! ♥

I personally like her [Tenten, 1010] with either women (she's on a team with two socially retarded and insane youthful men, and a piece of sexy wallpaper with a bastard personality), or with DYNAMIC people. You need to have someone to balance out your personalitylessness...

ZabuHaku fans are the queens (and kings, I guess...pssht, are there any guys in this FC?) of the fangasm! :laugh

Shark skin is a guy, but you don't see him here much. (He's also co-owner of the Itachi x Kakashi FC.) ;)

@dem: Subs are where it's at. :thumbs (Oh god, so hyper right now...too many smilies in my post... @_@ NO NOT ANOTHER ONE DDX OH GAWWWWD)

...

[Dementia]

x________x another looooong post?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOO*takes a breath*OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Momochi Zabuza]

Can't heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp it!! :cry

[Dementia]

that's more like it xDDD

[Aishiteru]

Thanks for the rep, halfhearted.. Now I shall rep you back. :) I'm still in love with the FC image. Ah...so sad. :cry WHY WHY. Two good people had to die. If they both lived, I'm sure they'd be so happy~ I forgot the reason Zabuza had not to go after the old man anymore, but Zabuza wouldn't harass anyone anymore. *wails*

[Momochi Zabuza]

*helps :amuse*

The only reason Zabuza was going after the old guy in the first place was because Gatou paid him to. So when Gatou betrayed Zabuza, there was no reason to fight with Kakashi (who was defending the bridgebuilder).

You know, I think my ZabuHaku post got lost in off-topicness a page or two back. How sad. XD

[halfhearted]

You know, I think my ZabuHaku post got lost in off-topicness a page or two back. How sad. XD

Which one?

I want to talk about it. :wtf



I really need to read some AsuShika. Sounds sexy. (*I've read plenty of ShikaChou and AsuIno*)

My absolute favorite fanartist of all time is a big AsuShika shipper. And, even though I only like like but don't necessarily support about the pairing, I am in love with her and her art. It helps that the pics are insanely sexy. Almost enough to make me ship the pairing.

*same fanartist as the one who did the Kiba in my sig*


:wtf

*loves halfhearted* (OMG! We need a Gai/Lee sunset! T_____T)

I'm just the opposite. I tend to chase after dah girlz, but if the guy was Shino or Lee I would have to make an exception. Because Shino and Lee are +214392138 points for awesome.

I love Sakura. I would marry her and she would have my test tube babies. (Love her...almost...as much as Tenten. Who has no personality, but I love her love her love her and and and---)

*breeeaaaaathes*

*cues waves and sunset*

:cry

Also, Shino and Lee are two of my top three sexiest males from Naruto! That is so strange that we agree on that as well (especially considering how odd the picks are, compared to the masses).

And, of course, I ALSO agree with everything that ew_younerd says concerning Naruto ladies and love.


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Lastly, curious question that eK's last post made me think of, that I am sure some of us have answered before. But, what the hell! We NEED more ZabuHaku action :P

What do you think would have happened if Haku and Zabuza had survived? What of Zabuza's ambitions? Haku's broken innocence? What if only one of them had lived?

While I prefer the relationship ending like it did, right at its climax, no backsliding, with them content together in some metaphorical "heaven", it is an interesting question, ne?

[Momochi Zabuza]

HOLY SHIT
THIS IS LONGer than it looks

Which one?

I want to talk about it. :wtf
:laugh Yeah, we are wicked LAP writers! I hope it doesn't intimidate other members, keeping them from contributing. Anything is welcome!

We wouldn't want anyone to feel unwelcome! :D Or maybe you're just enjoying the mini essay we've got going here. XD

This FC is starting to turn into a ZabuHaku lovefest between me and Christ...kind of like how few people contribute in the Pairing Peace FC, nowadays.

Did someone say ZabuHaku lovefest?! :kloff

I would love to see more people contributing in Pairing Peace. There are a lot of members, so it seems like people like the idea (or at least want us to think they do :vegetant), but not as many people are willing to commit to it. XD

I like how you worded this. It sort of implies that Zabuza's real worth isn't in how many men he's killed, who he's tortured or why, but his meaning lies in his love for Haku and Haku's love for him. Which as a fangirl, I would agree with completely.

Absolutely! :3 Zabuza's reputation may have been important to him (what a wonderfully arrogant creature :love), and even to Haku (because he wasn't naive enough not to recognize social presence when he had it XD), but in the end he was willing to swallow his pride and kill Gato in honor of Haku's sacrifice. It wouldn't have been so obvious if he hadn't cried, or if he hadn't asked a former enemy to lay him to rest beside the one he loved...

One point of contention with this statement would be Naruto's defense of Iruka in the first chapter. However, I agree that Iruka's possible death didn't really affect Naruto, just because he probably never fully realized how life and death that situation was. But, you are right. Until this point, Naruto had never consciously decided to kill another person in defense of someone else (despite his blustering towards Mizuki). This is the first time it was more than just a simple reaction.

My mistake. I forgot about the awesomely ordinary Iruka-sensei. >:3 But you're right, it did seem more like a gut reaction...and to me at least, screaming at Mizuki paled in comparison to what he came so close to doing to Haku. (Sorry if I'm not making sense, or if I'm being repetitive. I'm really tired! :sweatdrop)

And thanks for clearing that one part up. I'm less confuzzled now. <3

Hrm, to be honest, I never fully considered this. To me, there was a little bit of malevolence in the chibi Zabuza's eyes. But, now that you mention it...

Thanks for that panel! :whoo I guess that's where I messed up, then...I had only seen the anime version of that scene, and in that one you couldn't see his malevolent chibi eyes. DX

Which kind of weirds me out, actually, because Haku mentioned something along the lines of having the same eyes as Zabuza. o.o

*is suitably creeped out*

One of the best ways to determine how someone is feeling is through their body language rather than by what shows on their face. And in the above panel, Zabuza's body is alone and distressed and, obviously, unhappy with the situation.

True, true... Maybe it was the slaughter he enjoyed, and not so much the seeing-everybody-dead. >.> So, even if he's not crying over spilt blood, he's not yet sadistic enough to not be remorseful?

Actually, I'm glad you brought this up as I have many thoughts towards Zabuza's motivations and morality that fit with this idea.

Thoughts? I love thoughts! You must share them! :yell

-His only known interests are power, Haku, and his desire to become the Mizukage.

Which sort of makes me question his motivations for joining the Seven Shinobi Swordsmen of the Mist or whatever. They're the elite, so there's the power. Haku presumably hadn't come into play yet. And I suppose a few of them could have helped him try to overthrow the Mizukage...

He put an end to a barbaric system of choosing new shinobi in the Hidden Mist village. And despite committing mass murder, chibi Zabuza likely saved more lives than he took in that encounter. Due to the fact that students wouldn't be set against one another any longer, twice a year.

SO TRUE. If you're suggesting what I think you're suggesting, that little Zabuza was aware of the reforms that would have to be made, chances are the situation was already affecting him, somehow. And I don't even know what I mean by that.

It could have been all the children dying, and the families left to cope with that. Or it could have been his hatred of the government in general (he was probably poor, or homeless), the first sparks of political rebelliouness! :plot

-He does have a few moments where he seems to enjoy the suffering of others and he is definitely sociopathic/sadistic (although this might partially be some kind of defense mechanism). But, overall, the effects of his violent actions aren't half so bad as they seem.

What are those few moments? My mind wants to go back to his first fight with Kakashi, when he took Naruto's hitai-ite and tried to squish the life out of Sasuke. ><

I bet he does enjoy inflicting pain, to a certain extent. "When you look into the abyss, the abyss looks into you" and all that. But you're 100% right about 'the effects of his violent actions' not being 'half so bad as they seem', the one exception that we know of being his willingness to kill Tazuna. DX

(Then again, maybe he thought the Land of Waves was a small price to pay for his seat as Mizukage? Perhaps he thought back to his own childhood in Kirigakure, and thought his country was more desperate for reform than the one these knuckle-headed shinobi were fighting for? >.>)

Though, I guarantee, the softness in my heart for Zabuza probably has a great deal to do with this analysis. A part of me sincerely believes that Zabuza's heart reached out for Haku's innocence because he sees how clean he could have been, how pure.

I wouldn't doubt it, if only for the relationships between, say, Kakashi and Sasuke or Iruka and Naruto. Even Gai and Lee. Every adult sees in children all that they could have been, despite Zabuza and Haku's relationship going, err...a different route. >.>

Oh! Something just occured to me! :omg Haku, as far as we know, never actually told Zabuza that he had killed his father. How innocent, I wonder, would Haku have appeared then?

You praise me too often, Christ. But, thank you dearly.

You deserve all that and more, my fellow ZabuHaku fangirl in crime. <3
Thanks for the fanart recommendation! (And I'm SO glad to know I'm not crazy. Well, er, maybe I'm not [I]sane, but knowing you fangirl over Lee and Shino (aka...TEH SECKS! D<) makes me feel loads better. <3

What do you think would have happened if Haku and Zabuza had survived? What of Zabuza's ambitions? Haku's broken innocence? What if only one of them had lived?

While I prefer the relationship ending like it did, right at its climax, no backsliding, with them content together in some metaphorical "heaven", it is an interesting question, ne?

You won't believe how squealy I got when I read this. XD

I guess it depends on when, exactly, they didn't die. D: I'm going to say "What would have happened if Zabuza had been able to defeat Kakashi, if Haku had been able to defeat Naruto and Sasuke, and if Gatou had not betrayed them both?".

Zabuza's ambitions are still there. He wants to take down the Mizukage, at the very least. His emotions remain hidden, and his feelings for Haku are never brought into question by a wailing child and his silver-haired sensei.

Haku's innocence is tainted, his worldview just a little bit darker than before. His feelings for Zabuza are never brought into question, but fighting those boys...no, murdering those boys and their dreams has left him broken inside. Even Zabuza, the great light to whom he has dedicated his very life, is less great in his eyes.

In my mind, Haku and Zabuza have a conflict of interests...

Before, Zabuza's interest was power. Haku's was Zabuza.

Now, Zabuza's interest is in gaining power, and denying interest in Haku, while Haku doesn't know what the shit he wants...to me, one of them has to die. D: Sorry for the pessimism, but can you really imagine them going on living the same as always, if their emotions had been so close to the surface the whole time? Zabuza never tried to mask his feelings, not really (he hadn't thought he had them!), and Haku had tried but had not been any good at it. It was a catastrophe waiting to happen.

Haku communicated his feelings by sacrificing himself. For Zabuza's wellfare, for Zabuza's goals.

Zabuza did the same by sabotaging his own wellfare, and severing himself from his goals.

Things came full circle, in the end.

On the other hand...if only Zabuza lived, he would have died. Simple as that, in my eyes. There really was no reason for him to keep going, not if he was already willing to sacrifice his dreams to be with Haku. And Haku...can't we just agree that Haku, deprived of his Zabuza-san, would not be a pretty sight? DX It would be like Sasori, who gave up his life for one last hug from his dead parents. :/

Whew. ><

[Momochi Zabuza]

Sorry for the dp... :ninja

But, you guys... :wtf

It's ZABUZA'S BIRTHDAY! :whoo

HAPPY BIRTHDAY,
ZABUZA-SAN!
:tem

[halfhearted]

:wtf :wtf :wtf

...seriously?


HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ZABUZA!

May you get cakes filled with half-naked Hakus and all of the carnage your twisted little heart can stand!

:cry I love that man, sooooo much.

*will be back for posting and answering Christ's wonderful earlier post in a bit*

[Momochi Zabuza]

It's still his birthday (08/15)...depending on what time zone you live in. XD

(It's 12:15 here. No longer his birthday. T_T)

And you can answer that disgustingly long post whenever you please, halfhearted. I would answer it never. :arg

[Aishiteru]

HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY, MOMOCHI-SAMA!
:wtf :kloff

[Puppet_From_The_Dead]

Darn, I missed his b-day... Oh well!:P

Happy Late Birthday Zabuza-san!!!

[Momochi Zabuza]

Thanks, everyone! :hug

Zabuza-san and his boi appreciates it. :vegetant

[Momochi Zabuza]

http://www.fanfiction.net/u/907456/the_Sin_Hunter_Alchemistthe_Sin_Hunter_Alchemist

A new author! :whoo They've written two ZabuHaku one-shots thus far. (They also write NejiHina, and stuff for other fandoms, if anyone's interesed. :nod)

is it one of you? :vegetant

[Dementia]

hello FC:sag

[Momochi Zabuza]

lol activity lvl = 0 :awesome

[Dementia]

not any more...:sag

[Momochi Zabuza]

Not with us spamming like this. :love

I wonder when we'll see Temari-hime again...? D:

[Dementia]

you mean the owner or the character?:huh

[Momochi Zabuza]

The owner. XDD

Though I would like to see Temari again. <3

[Dementia]

I don't know.....>.>

[halfhearted]

She hasn't posted anything in a long while...does she still come on the forums?

[Momochi Zabuza]

Well, you saw how it was last time. She was gone for a while, and then she came back...so here's hoping. :sweat

[Dementia]

Or, one of you will take over again and make this into fuckin' pervert orgy intelectual discussion place.:nod

[Temari-hime]

Pervert Orgy sounds nice.

XD Yeah Active again. Listen guys, I'm really sorry, it's just school is finally started. Highschool is a beetch. But yeah.

Anyone else think that Haku could totally be a seme? It'd be hot. XDDDD

[Momochi Zabuza]

Hi thurr. 8D

I'm also in high school. Stupid essays. XP (But it gets worse, so I can't complain. :arg)

And yeah, Haku could seme. And Zabuza would love it. <3

[Temari-hime]

XD Manly Haku. Hard to imagine, but it sounds damn hot.

[Ema Skye]

Can I join? I have a sig. thats supports Haku x Zabuza love :love

[Momochi Zabuza]

Hell yes~ :evil

Welcome. :love

[halfhearted]

Welcome taraa100!

I think I repped you once for that adorable sig.

We aren't as terribly active as we once were, which I blame on Christ and I starting new school terms and dementia being in a far different time zone than the both of us. But, hopefully things will get better!

Oh, and hey FC, does anyone know of a good ZabuHaku manifesto someplace?

Because, after I finish the first few chapters of this Ibiki story that I am working on, then I might just tackle the job.

That is, if it hasn't already been done phenomenally elsewhere!

I miss you, Christ.

[Dementia]

I hate time zones.:scry

All the perverted interesting talk is over by the time I get on!:scry

[Momochi Zabuza]

XDD It's okay, dem. We still love you. :hug

OH! I have a link (http://spacetart.tripod.com/naruto.html). I've quoted it before...probably in HoU...but here it is again in all its awesomeness. It's got some points about ZabuHaku, and a few other pairings I like. :amuse

We aren't as terribly active as we once were, which I blame on Christ and I starting new school terms and dementia being in a far different time zone than the both of us. But, hopefully things will get better!

Hey now, my last ZabuHaku post had a lot of good questions! I'm still mulling over them in my head, and no one's been around to contribute! XD It's just...well, like you said, we've all been so busy, and I understand that~ @_@

Oh, and hey FC, does anyone know of a good ZabuHaku manifesto someplace?

Because, after I finish the first few chapters of this Ibiki story that I am working on, then I might just tackle the job.

That is, if it hasn't already been done phenomenally elsewhere!

There's one at The Shipper's Manifesto (http://community.livejournal.com/ship_manifesto/132475.html#cutid1), but I liked our back-and-forth mini-festo better. :awesome

I miss you, Christ.

Miss you too, babe. Miss you too. T___T

[Ema Skye]

Hi Christ! Guess what! I lost the fantasy tournament! and here is a random picture :awesome

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i75/supergalkate/Naruto%20yaoi/pdaylog_139nar.jpg

[Momochi Zabuza]

Sorry about the tournament. We both lost. :awesome

Nice pic~! :kloff

[Ema Skye]

Sorry about the tournament. We both lost. :awesome

Nice pic~! :kloff

Its ok I knew I was going to loose anyway.

[halfhearted]

Finally, I get back into this FC and start with some more answers/LAPS to tout the ZabuHaku love.

Yay for the weekend!


Absolutely! :3 Zabuza's reputation may have been important to him (what a wonderfully arrogant creature :love), and even to Haku (because he wasn't naive enough not to recognize social presence when he had it XD), but in the end he was willing to swallow his pride and kill Gato in honor of Haku's sacrifice. It wouldn't have been so obvious if he hadn't cried, or if he hadn't asked a former enemy to lay him to rest beside the one he loved...

I agree. And, you put it so wonderfully. :love

In many ways, I think, Haku's estimation of himself is directly tied into the respect that Zabuza gives him. And, Zabuza gives him attention, only when he is getting respect from others, as well. Example of Haku presenting us with this idea and the possible need for recognition would probably be the scene where he defended wounded Zabuza from Gato and cronies (TM).

And, yes, Zabuza is one of the most beautifully arrogant characters on the show and we love him for it. Although Kankuro might be able to give him a run for his money.


My mistake. I forgot about the awesomely ordinary Iruka-sensei. >:3 But you're right, it did seem more like a gut reaction...and to me at least, screaming at Mizuki paled in comparison to what he came so close to doing to Haku.

Yeah, I don't think that Naruto really understood the choices that he was making when he attacked Mizuki. It's part of the reason that he won over the audience so easily: he didn't have to stop and think and make the right choice. For him, the right choice was the only choice.

But, when he gets out of the village and in the real world, right and wrong become fuzzy and distorted.

Sigh.

Mini-rant:

There are so many awesome things (the above writing technique being one of them) about this manga/anime that get completely ignored in favor of whose the hottest and who you'd most like to make out with type questions...

It's not that those aren't necessary and interesting in their own right, but there needs to be a better balance.

Thanks for that panel! :whoo I guess that's where I messed up, then...I had only seen the anime version of that scene, and in that one you couldn't see his malevolent chibi eyes. DX

Which kind of weirds me out, actually, because Haku mentioned something along the lines of having the same eyes as Zabuza. o.o

*is suitably creeped out*

Hrm, I don't remember that line but it certainly brings up an interesting point that actually helps support Zabuza's good intentions rather than Haku being a slight homicidal maniac.

They both killed when they were very young.

They both appear to have been very poor afterwards or at the time.

And, while we know that Haku's reason was self-defense, Zabuza's could have been just as pure as his (as we discussed earlier).

I guess, the same eyes would come from that. Although, it makes me suddenly interested in Zabuza's childhood. Like where his parents are and what went wrong that he felt the need to kill all of those other kids.

True, true... Maybe it was the slaughter he enjoyed, and not so much the seeing-everybody-dead. >.> So, even if he's not crying over spilt blood, he's not yet sadistic enough to not be remorseful?

I agree.

One definition of the word "joy" is something along the lines of: being in the exact place and doing the exact thing that you are meant to do. For me, I see Zabuza's shinobi abilities to be almost a natural extension of himself.

He is shinobi.

And, I am certain that a feeling of joy probably took him during killing, as it was what he was best at and the thing he could most value in himself. Unlike most people, it probably just felt right. :oh

But, that doesn't mean he liked death. Or being the cause of that death until later in life, when power and arrogance and the need to be Mizukage took over.

Which sort of makes me question his motivations for joining the Seven Shinobi Swordsmen of the Mist or whatever. They're the elite, so there's the power. Haku presumably hadn't come into play yet. And I suppose a few of them could have helped him try to overthrow the Mizukage...

Yeah, I am sure that it had something to do with pride and the accumulation of more power in some way. Not to mention that even sadistic bastards need a family, of sorts. And, perhaps that was his way of looking for one.

Or maybe not. :sag

He didn't really find that sort of bond, though, until he found Haku, of course.


SO TRUE. If you're suggesting what I think you're suggesting, that little Zabuza was aware of the reforms that would have to be made, chances are the situation was already affecting him, somehow. And I don't even know what I mean by that.

It could have been all the children dying, and the families left to cope with that. Or it could have been his hatred of the government in general (he was probably poor, or homeless), the first sparks of political rebelliouness!

Yes :nod.

We are led to believe that the child did it all out of battle lust, but it just doesn't mesh with his desire to lead (even adding in his hunger for power) the same people that he killed. And, I do desperately want to know Zabuza's given circumstances as a child.

Something was fucked up there...big time. :vegetant


What are those few moments? My mind wants to go back to his first fight with Kakashi, when he took Naruto's hitai-ite and tried to squish the life out of Sasuke. ><

I bet he does enjoy inflicting pain, to a certain extent. "When you look into the abyss, the abyss looks into you" and all that. But you're 100% right about 'the effects of his violent actions' not being 'half so bad as they seem', the one exception that we know of being his willingness to kill Tazuna. DX

(Then again, maybe he thought the Land of Waves was a small price to pay for his seat as Mizukage? Perhaps he thought back to his own childhood in Kirigakure, and thought his country was more desperate for reform than the one these knuckle-headed shinobi were fighting for? >.>)

First off, :love.

That last paragraph was my thoughts exactly and I love you a little more for posting it.

As for your first question, Zabuza reveling in the pain of others moments?

Ummmm, he kind of enjoys the distress he causes by imprisoning Kakashi. And, when he was killing Gato...totally understandable. But, besides the moments you mentioned, I can't think of any. Although, I think it's noteworthy that he seems to care more about the emotional pain that he cause rather than the physical.

Also, I find it strange how gentle he was with Naruto in their first confrontation. I mean, in actuality, couldn't he have just whipped a kunai into the kids' chests and have been done with it?

Oh! Something just occured to me! :omg Haku, as far as we know, never actually told Zabuza that he had killed his father. How innocent, I wonder, would Haku have appeared then?

That's a little adorable to think about. :amuse

I think, that if Zabuza knew it was in self-defense that his views on Haku wouldn't change. But, he might be more curious as to why Haku never told him! >.<


Thanks for the fanart recommendation! (And I'm SO glad to know I'm not crazy. Well, er, maybe I'm not [I]sane, but knowing you fangirl over Lee and Shino (aka...TEH SECKS! D<) makes me feel loads better. <3

Just realized that I recommended without giving a link.

http://jet.boo.jp/top.html

You have to click "img" at the top, and then the "NARUTO" that's in the boxes.

Oh, and the first pic's a little dirty, so you have to scroll down some. >.<

Back in a bit to answer your other awesome post.

This one is getting close to the word limit


P.S. Fantasy tournament?!

[Ema Skye]

I need some advice since this is the ZabuzaxHaku fc. All lot of people lately have been complementing my sig and I'm planning on changing it but now I have no idea if I should change it or not. ;_; I need some help.

[halfhearted]

EDIT to answer taraa!:

If you want to change your sig, then I say go ahead and do it. Although that one is absolutely adorable, I know how having the same thing for awhile can get kind of boring (hence, why I model my banner and sometimes my avatar after whatever the Anti-Character Bashing FC is doing week by week).

And, who knows, maybe people will like your new one even more! :tem


You won't believe how squealy I got when I read this. XD

I guess it depends on when, exactly, they didn't die. D: I'm going to say "What would have happened if Zabuza had been able to defeat Kakashi, if Haku had been able to defeat Naruto and Sasuke, and if Gatou had not betrayed them both?".

Haha, it's strange. The first thing that I actually thought was, what if one of them (i.e. Kakashi, who was actually said by Rin to be adept with medical jutsu) was able to perform a healing (if he had the chakra reserves left) and neither Haku's nor Zabuza's wounds had been as totally extensive as they were, so the jutsu would actually enable them both to survive.

So, Kakashi's hand wouldn't punch ALL the way through Haku's chest >.<

In other words, the scenario in my head was a little different, but yours is likely more realistic. :P


Zabuza's ambitions are still there. He wants to take down the Mizukage, at the very least. His emotions remain hidden, and his feelings for Haku are never brought into question by a wailing child and his silver-haired sensei.

Haku's innocence is tainted, his worldview just a little bit darker than before. His feelings for Zabuza are never brought into question, but fighting those boys...no, murdering those boys and their dreams has left him broken inside. Even Zabuza, the great light to whom he has dedicated his very life, is less great in his eyes.

In my mind, Haku and Zabuza have a conflict of interests...

Before, Zabuza's interest was power. Haku's was Zabuza.

Now, Zabuza's interest is in gaining power, and denying interest in Haku, while Haku doesn't know what the shit he wants...to me, one of them has to die. D: Sorry for the pessimism, but can you really imagine them going on living the same as always, if their emotions had been so close to the surface the whole time? Zabuza never tried to mask his feelings, not really (he hadn't thought he had them!), and Haku had tried but had not been any good at it. It was a catastrophe waiting to happen.

No matter what the scenario, I think you are right, in that, Haku is going to be VERY conflicted. Especially in how I viewed their potential survival, I see him still loving, desiring, and respecting Zabuza but no longer adoring him. And, in some very subtle, subconscious ways...actually, resenting him.

Ever so slightly.

Although he would never admit it, even to himself.

And, I agree, that if they had managed to kill the Leaf nin, then one of them dying is probably for the best.

Quickly followed by the other, I suppose. :(

If they managed to survive and the Leaf nin won...

Well, I think that there would actually be great potential for fanfiction in that category. I very much doubt that Zabuza would allow himself to be taken in and imprisoned, but his entire worldview and set of priorities has been turned on its head. And, now that Haku had confirmation of Zabuza's feelings (i.e. if the teary, face-stroking thing still happened), he would actually begin to assume more of the power in their relationship. Which is something that he always had, in a way, and was merely lending the illusion of its possession to Zabuza.

There would be drama and angst, and the pure intentions/dichotomy of their relationship would be forever destroyed. What replaced it could hinge on sooo many factors:

-Zabuza's ambitions?
-membership in 7 Shinobi S.
-civil dealings with the Leaf nin and the end of the Demon Zabuza's reputation

In some ways, I actually see their living and destroying Zabuza's well-built reputation as a good step towards furthering Zabuza's old ambitions.

Haku communicated his feelings by sacrificing himself. For Zabuza's wellfare, for Zabuza's goals.

Zabuza did the same by sabotaging his own wellfare, and severing himself from his goals.

Things came full circle, in the end.

On the other hand...if only Zabuza lived, he would have died. Simple as that, in my eyes. There really was no reason for him to keep going, not if he was already willing to sacrifice his dreams to be with Haku. And Haku...can't we just agree that Haku, deprived of his Zabuza-san, would not be a pretty sight? DX It would be like Sasori, who gave up his life for one last hug from his dead parents. :/

Whew. ><

The way it went was really the best in the end, of course. And, *has to make an "Angel/Buffy" reference* it's sort of like when Spike didn't want to go back to Buffy during the fifth season of Angel.

Once you die or seem to be dying while doing that great, wonderful, self-sacrificing act...it's kind of letdown, when you turn up, alive and completely unable to discern what your new place in the world is.


Anyways, sorry that it took so long to answer your wondrous posts, Christ, and doing it rather crappily, I might add. :redface

[Dementia]

Noooooooo!!!:arg long posts again!! *doesn't read*

[halfhearted]

:arg I had to answer Christ's old posts.

It's an involuntary reaction to her awesome win!

:wtf

[mairi-chan]

joinage please!!

[halfhearted]

joinage please!!

Of course. :del

Welcome to the ZabuHaku FC!

This the home of fangasms, LAPs, and bizarre spam. Please, make yourself at home and don't be afraid to jump into any discussion that you find interesting.

Recently, we've been talking about what might have happened had Zabuza and Haku BOTH lived after the Wave Arc and what their relationship would have been like. :amuse

Oh, and Temari_hime will get you added to the front once she stops by, but you have officially joined. As I have the almighty co-ownage acceptance power. :awesome

[Dementia]

Welcome Mairi-chan:tem


Iforgive you, hearty, but I really don't know where to pop in when you're having those long difficult conversations..:sweat

[halfhearted]

You can pop in whereever you'd like, mentia. You can answer whatever questions we are talking about or just one of them. Or, even talk about something that's totally different.

Christ and I can get a little...um, what's the word?

If both of us are responding, we just seem to take over threads that we visit every once in awhile. Which is both good and bad, at times. If it makes you feel like you can't join in, then that's bad though. :pek

Our LAPs are probably what scare everyone else away, as well. :cry

EDIT: Just found a wonderful little ZabuHaku, Hakucentric oneshot. Don't know of any of you have already read it, but it is definitely worth the little time it takes.

Winter is Delight: Spoilers for Haku and Zabuza. A short fic about the symbolism of snowflakes to Haku, in connection to his family and the past. (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1834423/1/Winter_is_Delight)

[Chiyo]

I must join! :yell

This pairing is :love

[Dementia]

Welcome Chiyo!!:yell :love

[Chiyo]

Yay!

Lol, Deme, we seem to be in many fanclubs together, ne? :)

[Dementia]

lol, yeah. Well I'm in about 100 at all, so it's no surprise.:lmao

[halfhearted]

I'm only in the FCs that are listed in my sig. :sag

You guys probably have me beat by a loooonnngg shot!

[Momochi Zabuza]

I'm in almost thirty, I think. :oh

But this one sets my giggle-meter on high. :hehee

[Jackal]

i personally think haku is a girl. and thats why im joining this Fc. so it is in no way yaoi to me :awesome.

[Revy]

Zabuza 63...I should warn you, we talk about buttseckz in this FC.:evil
And yeah welcome and Hi FC!!:wtf

[Dementia]

Hi TK. I didn't know you're in here.:evil

[Revy]

I love ZabuHaku and plus I hide my cookies here.:awesome

[Dementia]

oh, okay:awesome

[halfhearted]

We need more ZabuHaku love on a grand scale, I think.

Or, at least spam and discussion...

So, out of curiosity, are there any other people that you are willing to pair either Zabuza or Haku with? Or, is this your super fabulous OTP, and the intense, otaku love for it does not allow you to even think about the possibility of, let's say...

GaiHaku?

The most manly man.

The most feminine of boys.

A match made in crack? :awesome

[Momochi Zabuza]

^ "A match made in crack" :wtf

ZabuHaku is my begin-all, end-all of OTPs, but shotacat makes me ship HakuNaru. (C'mon, it's not even that far-fetched! Haku knows how to flirt to get what he wants, and Naruto is just as arrogant as Zabuza XDD) I also like KakaHaku, but only in an incredibly depressing "zabuza died and haku will never be the same again--and no matter how badly he tries, kakashi will never be zabuza."

halfhearted converted me to KakaZabu, sort of. So I'd be cool with that. :tem Also, ZabuSasu burns in a very pleasant way. :hehee

[Dementia]

*revives*:awesome

[halfhearted]

^ Now, if only we had some way of doing that to their character development. :iria

[Dementia]

You've written too long posts in the past!:iria

[Skotty]

I must join, oh yeeees.
HakuZabuza was totally canon.

[Dementia]

Welcome and post often!:) The owner has a snowman habit to disappear sometimes, so you might have to wait to appear on the list, but post anyways.:amuse

[halfhearted]

Welcome to the FC, Sukati :gin

It's nice to get some new members. So...what is your favorite thing about the ZabuzaxHaku pairing?

[Momochi Zabuza]

Yes, welcome. :amuse

[halfhearted]

Totally random question.

But, do any of you feel as though ZabuHaku has the least fanart out of any of the possibly canon pairings?

And do you find this obscenely annoying?

I know I do. >.<

[Momochi Zabuza]

Yeah, the lack of fanart is not kewl. :pek
But I think we make up for it with a few good fanfictions, a damn -tastic fanbase, and more canon that ur mom/ur dad. :D

edited; ;P

[Skotty]

Lack of fanart? I never noticed. I mean, it's a yaoi pairing, and those always get tooons of fanart. XD

[Momochi Zabuza]

We get more than we would if it were a heterosexual relationship, lol, but because it wasn't around for a long time we're kind of short-changed.

But it's cool.

[halfhearted]

Yeah, the lack of fanart is not kewl. :pek
But I think we make up for it with a few good fanfictions, a damn -tastic fanbase, and more canon that ur mom/ur dad. :D

edited; ;P

Yeah, there are few pairings out there as canon as ours is. :gin

And, I guess, if I was totally honest with myself...I can see how this pairing could be a bit difficult to create fanart for. As in, I can normally imagine a lot of different situations with different characters, but the ZabuHaku bond is so solidified and finalized in my mind that I have difficulty thinking of ways to manipulate it. o.o

But, yes, we do have wicked awesome fanfics to make up for it.

And, we do get the occasional pic as well.

Found these while working on the "Guide to Bleach Fanart" that I am writing, similar to Mizura's Naruto one.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x290/halfhearted_nf/ZabuzaxHaku%20FC/Fanart/zbhc.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x290/halfhearted_nf/ZabuzaxHaku%20FC/Fanart/zabuza.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x290/halfhearted_nf/ZabuzaxHaku%20FC/Fanart/haku.gif

Lack of fanart? I never noticed. I mean, it's a yaoi pairing, and those always get tooons of fanart. XD

This is soooo true. Yaoi gets so much more than anything else. And, it's not that I'm complaining. :awesome

It's just sometimes it would be nice, if they spread the love, too.

I say, despite the fact I was just whining about how my yaoi OTP wasn't getting enough attention by fanartists.

[Dementia]

what are you talking about now?:awesome

[halfhearted]

We were talking about the lack of fanart for ZabuHaku, despite it being a yaoi pairing. And, the high level of yaoi fanart as opposed to het.

But, I think we should change the subject or do something, because we need to jumpstart this FC, badly. :pek

We love the pairing so much. I find it totally bizarre that we never figure out a way to keep the acitivty levels up.

Hrm, new question...:plot

What is your favorite ZabuHaku moment? :iria

[Dementia]

This one.:awesome


http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j186/hyonolove/1060188781_untitled6.jpg

[halfhearted]

I love that one, as well. It is the pairing's quintessential moment of moments, I suppose. :love

Hrm, I am also a bit partial to the part where, they are sitting the forest, after Haku has faux-killed him. It just seemed really comfortable, and of course, there was the "beautiful body" line. :awesome

And, last, I guess I really liked the rabbit part, when Haku was little.

[Dementia]

Oh yeah. that was too cute.:awesome

[halfhearted]

And, of course, we can't forget all of the secret smexing that went on behind the scenes. :awesome

Or those really creepy Haku moments that we just weren't privy to. :hehee

Like, all of those nights when Zabuza would wake up and look across the campfire to see Haku awake, making flower garlands out of the huge bushels he seems to pick everyday and watching the Mist nin sleep.

Kiiiiind of creepy.

Cute.

But creepy.

[Dementia]

Oh yeah. *shivers*

Clowns are a lot creepier tho:awesome

[Aishiteru]

O_O?

I thought I joined this club many weeks back. I remember having a convo with Christ_On_A_2x4 and halfhearted.

Re-joinage? :huh

Zabuza x Haku = top 3 best yaoi. <3

[halfhearted]

Of course, Welcome back!

You're still not on the front page, are you? :sag

If no one has any objections, I think I am going to PM a mod and ask if I can take over the spot of owner, since I'm already co-owner and Temari-hime hasn't come back on the forum in months.

Anyways, yay for exquisiteKOREAN's return! And, what are your other two favorite yaoi pairings? :iria

[Aishiteru]

Thanks for the re-welcome. :nod


I have no objections to that. I demand to be on the list. D:<


Other two favourite yaoi pairing? :iria

1. Genma x Hayate.
2. Not completely sure...


GH and ZH = <3


P.S. Genma x Hayate is awlsgsdfgmfgldgmfbik,slsjfling smexy. <3

[halfhearted]

GenmaxHayate is wicked sexy, especially considering how much amazing fanart the pairing has. :love

And, I PM'd HarlitaChikusho about changing ownership. :hehee

[Aishiteru]

:wtf


Genma x Hayate = can't begin to explain how much I love the pairing.


Where is C2x4 when you need her? She was the first person to gasm with me. D:<


Fanart:

http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs21/f/2007/296/9/f/006___Break_Away___Zabuza_by_Seventh_Seal.jpg

http://seventh-seal.deviantart.com/art/006-Break-Away-Zabuza-68056097


http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs16/f/2007/212/0/0/Haku_and_Zabuza_by_fetalstar.jpg

http://fetalstar.deviantart.com/art/Haku-and-Zabuza-61128973 :cry


http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs10/i/2006/079/e/c/Haku_by_ANDREAc.jpg

http://andreac.deviantart.com/art/Haku-30594322
Bye, for now. <333 Must finish up some homework then sleep.

[halfhearted]

Haha, she has school, so she doesn't come on quite as often as she used to. But, once she does I will force her to tell me everything she knows and loves about the pairing.

And, by force, I mean, sex it out of her. :iria

Also...Yay! I am now the FC owner. :awesome

And, as my first action upon assuming ownership, I ask whether the members want to keep our old name of "x-Snow Angels-x/ A Zabuza x Haku FC" or if we'd like to change it, maybe even simplify it. It's not that the old title isn't fine, but I'm not sure it's really the best way to describe the couple.

EDIT: Member list updated. Created a Photobucket album, using past posts by members. Also collected all of the fic links throughout the pages and created a section for them. And, cited manifestos/communities of the ZabuHaku fandom on the front page.

New cover pic, as well.

While we decide if we want a new name, you guys can also say whether you want this pic or some other one. As I am open to suggestions. :gin

[Momochi Zabuza]

Lovely fanart, eK. :wtf

Where is C2x4 when you need her? She was the first person to gasm with me. D:<

I'm here! :wtf I could never leave. :cry

Haha, she has school, so she doesn't come on quite as often as she used to. But, once she does I will force her to tell me everything she knows and loves about the pairing.

And, by force, I mean, sex it out of her. :iria

Is that a promise? :hehee

Also...Yay! I am now the FC owner. :awesome

Congratulations. :awesome

And, as my first action upon assuming ownership, I ask whether the members want to keep our old name of "x-Snow Angels-x/ A Zabuza x Haku FC" or if we'd like to change it, maybe even simplify it. It's not that the old title isn't fine, but I'm not sure it's really the best way to describe the couple.

EDIT: Member list updated. Created a Photobucket album, using past posts by members. Also collected all of the fic links throughout the pages and created a section for them. And, cited manifestos/communities of the ZabuHaku fandom on the front page.

New cover pic, as well.

While we decide if we want a new name, you guys can also say whether you want this pic or some other one. As I am open to suggestions. :gin

Dayuuumn, girl, you got it down. O__O
I haven't checked out the front page yet, but now I have to! This oughtta spur some activity. :pleased
Also, the name change sounds great. As you said, the current one doesn't really...describe them all that well. >.> What with the darkness and the murder and all.

[Aishiteru]

You is backeth. :iria

I say we keep something to the effect of "Snow Angel", but get rid of the x's and -'s.

"Snow Angels - The ZabuHaku FC"
"Snow Angels - The Zabuza x Haku FC"

...or substitute "Snow Angels" with something else.

...or make something completely different. :nod

The second fanart: :cry <3

Zabuza x Haku. :love

EDIT /// I was just going through the album and this picture is quite hawt:

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd139/ZabuzaxHakuFC/957466.jpg

Yowza. :iria

[Liz Lemon]

*comes out of the closet*

joinage please :shifty

[Momochi Zabuza]

Welcome, Luna Laverne! :wOOt

@eK: I think I posted that pic a while back. Explains how it got into the FC's PB. XD It = secksay :iria

edit: nm. i didn't actually see it in the pb :sag

[Isuzu]

....

Haha I never made a banner for this club. :awesome

[Momochi Zabuza]

And why is that? :pek

[Isuzu]

Err...

I was busy? :ninja

I was the third member of this FC. ^_________^

Halfhearted, would you be a sweety and change my name on the list?

NejixHinata93 --> Isuzu

[Momochi Zabuza]

Err...

I was busy? :ninja

Admit it, you were just intimidated by our mad LAPing. :awesome

I was the third member of this FC. ^_________^

I was the...the member that joined sometime after you did. I think. :pek

[Isuzu]

Admit it, you were just intimidated by our mad LAPing. :awesome

Oh of course, that was it. :lmao

I was the...the member that joined sometime after you did. I think. :pek

:omg

[halfhearted]

Is that a promise? :hehee

:pajamas :hug :grope :hlomp

...Now, tell me everything you know and love about the GenmaxHayate pairing. :gin


Congratulations. :awesome

Why thank you. ^^


Dayuuumn, girl, you got it down. O__O
I haven't checked out the front page yet, but now I have to! This oughtta spur some activity.
Also, the name change sounds great. As you said, the current one doesn't really...describe them all that well. >.> What with the darkness and the murder and all.

Yeah, I think I pretty much got the FC upkeep thing down, mostly because I am active in every one that I belong to/own. Eventually, you learn something...poor MP FC, where I had to learn how to do everything. :cry

*comes out of the closet*

joinage please

And, joinage you shall have!

*adds to front page*

Welcome ^^


....
Haha I never made a banner for this club.

I made a handful once...but, sadly, the photobucket account that it was on got banned.

Posted too many pictures of an inappropriate nature, I guess.:hehee

Halfhearted, would you be a sweety and change my name on the list?

NejixHinata93 --> Isuzu

Tis' done, my dear. <3

Admit it, you were just intimidated by our mad LAPing.

I wonder if our LAPing regime has fallen, as I think I made a LAP a page or so back. But, times have changed and there needs be no response, and so the end of long-winded fangirlism is over. :arg

But, maybe that's for the best.

We did get scary sometimes, Christ. ^^

[Momochi Zabuza]

:pajamas :hug :grope :hlomp

...Now, tell me everything you know and love about the GenmaxHayate pairing. :gin

Believe it or not, I used to love GenHaya. :iria

I wonder if our LAPing regime has fallen, as I think I made a LAP a page or so back. But, times have changed and there needs be no response, and so the end of long-winded fangirlism is over. :arg

But, maybe that's for the best.

We did get scary sometimes, Christ. ^^

Wut. You did? :oh

Not scary, just...enthusiastic. :kool

[halfhearted]

Believe it or not, I used to love GenHaya.

That's what eK told me. :iria


Wut. You did?

Not scary, just...enthusiastic.

This one...^^


Finally, I get back into this FC and start with some more answers/LAPS to tout the ZabuHaku love.

Yay for the weekend!


Absolutely! :3 Zabuza's reputation may have been important to him (what a wonderfully arrogant creature :love), and even to Haku (because he wasn't naive enough not to recognize social presence when he had it XD), but in the end he was willing to swallow his pride and kill Gato in honor of Haku's sacrifice. It wouldn't have been so obvious if he hadn't cried, or if he hadn't asked a former enemy to lay him to rest beside the one he loved...

I agree. And, you put it so wonderfully. :love

In many ways, I think, Haku's estimation of himself is directly tied into the respect that Zabuza gives him. And, Zabuza gives him attention, only when he is getting respect from others, as well. Example of Haku presenting us with this idea and the possible need for recognition would probably be the scene where he defended wounded Zabuza from Gato and cronies (TM).

And, yes, Zabuza is one of the most beautifully arrogant characters on the show and we love him for it. Although Kankuro might be able to give him a run for his money.


My mistake. I forgot about the awesomely ordinary Iruka-sensei. >:3 But you're right, it did seem more like a gut reaction...and to me at least, screaming at Mizuki paled in comparison to what he came so close to doing to Haku.

Yeah, I don't think that Naruto really understood the choices that he was making when he attacked Mizuki. It's part of the reason that he won over the audience so easily: he didn't have to stop and think and make the right choice. For him, the right choice was the only choice.

But, when he gets out of the village and in the real world, right and wrong become fuzzy and distorted.

Sigh.

Mini-rant:

There are so many awesome things (the above writing technique being one of them) about this manga/anime that get completely ignored in favor of whose the hottest and who you'd most like to make out with type questions...

It's not that those aren't necessary and interesting in their own right, but there needs to be a better balance.

Thanks for that panel! I guess that's where I messed up, then...I had only seen the anime version of that scene, and in that one you couldn't see his malevolent chibi eyes. DX

Which kind of weirds me out, actually, because Haku mentioned something along the lines of having the same eyes as Zabuza. o.o

*is suitably creeped out*

Hrm, I don't remember that line but it certainly brings up an interesting point that actually helps support Zabuza's good intentions rather than Haku being a slight homicidal maniac.

They both killed when they were very young.

They both appear to have been very poor afterwards or at the time.

And, while we know that Haku's reason was self-defense, Zabuza's could have been just as pure as his (as we discussed earlier).

I guess, the same eyes would come from that. Although, it makes me suddenly interested in Zabuza's childhood. Like where his parents are and what went wrong that he felt the need to kill all of those other kids.

True, true... Maybe it was the slaughter he enjoyed, and not so much the seeing-everybody-dead. >.> So, even if he's not crying over spilt blood, he's not yet sadistic enough to not be remorseful?

I agree.

One definition of the word "joy" is something along the lines of: being in the exact place and doing the exact thing that you are meant to do. For me, I see Zabuza's shinobi abilities to be almost a natural extension of himself.

He is shinobi.

And, I am certain that a feeling of joy probably took him during killing, as it was what he was best at and the thing he could most value in himself. Unlike most people, it probably just felt right. :oh

But, that doesn't mean he liked death. Or being the cause of that death until later in life, when power and arrogance and the need to be Mizukage took over.

Which sort of makes me question his motivations for joining the Seven Shinobi Swordsmen of the Mist or whatever. They're the elite, so there's the power. Haku presumably hadn't come into play yet. And I suppose a few of them could have helped him try to overthrow the Mizukage...

Yeah, I am sure that it had something to do with pride and the accumulation of more power in some way. Not to mention that even sadistic bastards need a family, of sorts. And, perhaps that was his way of looking for one.

Or maybe not. :sag

He didn't really find that sort of bond, though, until he found Haku, of course.


SO TRUE. If you're suggesting what I think you're suggesting, that little Zabuza was aware of the reforms that would have to be made, chances are the situation was already affecting him, somehow. And I don't even know what I mean by that.

It could have been all the children dying, and the families left to cope with that. Or it could have been his hatred of the government in general (he was probably poor, or homeless), the first sparks of political rebelliouness!

Yes ^^

We are led to believe that the child did it all out of battle lust, but it just doesn't mesh with his desire to lead (even adding in his hunger for power) the same people that he killed. And, I do desperately want to know Zabuza's given circumstances as a child.

Something was fucked up there...big time. :vegetant


What are those few moments? My mind wants to go back to his first fight with Kakashi, when he took Naruto's hitai-ite and tried to squish the life out of Sasuke. ><

I bet he does enjoy inflicting pain, to a certain extent. "When you look into the abyss, the abyss looks into you" and all that. But you're 100% right about 'the effects of his violent actions' not being 'half so bad as they seem', the one exception that we know of being his willingness to kill Tazuna. DX

(Then again, maybe he thought the Land of Waves was a small price to pay for his seat as Mizukage? Perhaps he thought back to his own childhood in Kirigakure, and thought his country was more desperate for reform than the one these knuckle-headed shinobi were fighting for? >.>)

First off, :love.

That last paragraph was my thoughts exactly and I love you a little more for posting it.

As for your first question, Zabuza reveling in the pain of others moments?

Ummmm, he kind of enjoys the distress he causes by imprisoning Kakashi. And, when he was killing Gato...totally understandable. But, besides the moments you mentioned, I can't think of any. Although, I think it's noteworthy that he seems to care more about the emotional pain that he cause rather than the physical.

Also, I find it strange how gentle he was with Naruto in their first confrontation. I mean, in actuality, couldn't he have just whipped a kunai into the kids' chests and have been done with it?

Oh! Something just occured to me! :omg Haku, as far as we know, never actually told Zabuza that he had killed his father. How innocent, I wonder, would Haku have appeared then?

That's a little adorable to think about. :amuse

I think, that if Zabuza knew it was in self-defense that his views on Haku wouldn't change. But, he might be more curious as to why Haku never told him! >.<

Fanart:

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q18/acloudwatcher/1169060591009.jpg

Also, I have some...really, very, umm...yeah ZabuHaku porn. >.<

If anyone wants links...

[Aishiteru]

^

:iria So cute.

GenHaya ish lurve. <3

I actually downloaded the trial vesion of PSPX2, I feel like making banners for my FCs. :ninja

Brb.

[halfhearted]

Banners for the FC would be awesome. :awesome

As would some activity, but all of NF has been kind of slow lately.

...or maybe it's just my imagination. :gin

[Momochi Zabuza]

Goddamnit, I wish I could talk about ZabuHaku right now! :arg You brought up some great points, halfhearted, but I'm kind of on a TsunaShizu kick right now and this is probably going to sound, erm, half-assed.

[image]

How did I know ZabuHaku would make clipping your toenails look cute, too?

Also, I have some...really, very, umm...yeah ZabuHaku porn. >.<

If anyone wants links...

Someone wants links. :wtf

I agree. And, you put it so wonderfully.

In many ways, I think, Haku's estimation of himself is directly tied into the respect that Zabuza gives him. And, Zabuza gives him attention, only when he is getting respect from others, as well. Example of Haku presenting us with this idea and the possible need for recognition would probably be the scene where he defended wounded Zabuza from Gato and cronies (TM).

And, yes, Zabuza is one of the most beautifully arrogant characters on the show and we love him for it. Although Kankuro might be able to give him a run for his money.

Mercy me. :love

Completely agree with you on the respect thing. Haku doesn't seem to have a lot of pride in his personality or even his looks, because I doubt Zabuza has ever appeared interested in those traits (unless he considered them advantageous). But Haku is a confident warrior because Zabuza taught him, and he has confidence in Zabuza's abilities.

Haku has always struck me as someone who wanted and needed recognition and attention, but was always too embarrassed or ashamed to ask.

"Example of Haku presenting us with this idea and the possible need for recognition would probably be the scene where he defended wounded Zabuza from Gato and cronies (TM)."

Could you elaborate? I think I get what you're saying, but I'm slow.

There are so many awesome things (the above writing technique being one of them) about this manga/anime that get completely ignored in favor of whose the hottest and who you'd most like to make out with type questions...

It's not that those aren't necessary and interesting in their own right, but there needs to be a better balance.

I understand. I wonder what would happen if we brought up an intelligent conversational topic in HoU concerning Kishimoto and his fanservice? I'm tempted...but I'm afraid.

Hrm, I don't remember that line but it certainly brings up an interesting point that actually helps support Zabuza's good intentions rather than Haku being a slight homicidal maniac.

:laugh It was on the bridge, when they first met.

They both killed when they were very young.

They both appear to have been very poor afterwards or at the time.

And, while we know that Haku's reason was self-defense, Zabuza's could have been just as pure as his (as we discussed earlier).

I guess, the same eyes would come from that. Although, it makes me suddenly interested in Zabuza's childhood. Like where his parents are and what went wrong that he felt the need to kill all of those other kids.

People who don't know the characters, or have otherwise taken no interest in them, wouldn't notice things like these. :love I like thinking of Zabuza and Haku as having very similar personalities, rather than being complete opposites.

Let's say they did have similar childhoods, with the being poor, possibly orphaned, and spilling blood before puberty...you'd think they would have turned out rather like the other, and in some ways they did, but certain circumstances obviously made them different in a lot of ways. So, they're different. Why?

Zabuza is, like, eleven years Haku's senior. He's been around the bend a few times. He joined the Seven Swordsmen, thanks to his Mad Ninja Skillz... And, like you said, we don't know zip-shit about his childhood other than he went nuts and killed people and it sucked. D':

I imagine his parents as being pretty distant people, with at least one of them dying somewhere along the way (c'mon, it's Naruto :arg). He probably held a grudge against the remaining parent for the other one's death, or maybe he just didn't like them...he probably had siblings, ala Itachi/Sasuke, who got more recognition and attention than he did... :awesome

Which brings up an alternate reason as to why he killed all those kids. I don't like it much, but... Maybe it wasn't out of a desire to bring about reforms so much as it was a high school shooting type thing. Instead of being the nerdy little poor kid who wasn't cool enough for ninja school, he wanted to be Mr. "master of violence".

I agree.

One definition of the word "joy" is something along the lines of: being in the exact place and doing the exact thing that you are meant to do. For me, I see Zabuza's shinobi abilities to be almost a natural extension of himself.

He is shinobi.

And, I am certain that a feeling of joy probably took him during killing, as it was what he was best at and the thing he could most value in himself. Unlike most people, it probably just felt right.

But, that doesn't mean he liked death. Or being the cause of that death until later in life, when power and arrogance and the need to be Mizukage took over.

That was beautiful. We need more of that in the Zabuza FC. ♥ And, I like the thought of age wearing him down, making him more susceptible to greed and more willing to measure his own worth with possessions--including Haku the tool.

Yeah, I am sure that it had something to do with pride and the accumulation of more power in some way. Not to mention that even sadistic bastards need a family, of sorts. And, perhaps that was his way of looking for one.

Or maybe not.

He didn't really find that sort of bond, though, until he found Haku, of course.


Which brings up the matter of...Suigetsu. >.>

And, I do desperately want to know Zabuza's given circumstances as a child.

Something was fucked up there...big time.

And we're going to fanonize the answer, are we? :laugh

That last paragraph was my thoughts exactly and I love you a little more for posting it.

As for your first question, Zabuza reveling in the pain of others moments?

Ummmm, he kind of enjoys the distress he causes by imprisoning Kakashi. And, when he was killing Gato...totally understandable. But, besides the moments you mentioned, I can't think of any. Although, I think it's noteworthy that he seems to care more about the emotional pain that he cause rather than the physical.

Also, I find it strange how gentle he was with Naruto in their first confrontation. I mean, in actuality, couldn't he have just whipped a kunai into the kids' chests and have been done with it?

He certainly enjoyed manhandling Kakashi in front of all those children. Makes me "hmm"... And...everyone was happy when Gato died, but that one seemed less out of bloodlust (or even revenge), and more "you suck". Because if Zabuza felt he owed Haku some kind of blood-debt, then he gave it when he threw himself to the mob. (Maybe it was a favor to Kakashi & co., then.)

Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura survived that first encounter because of PnJ, there is no other explanation. :DD

That's a little adorable to think about. :amuse

Isn't it?! :spaz

I think, that if Zabuza knew it was in self-defense that his views on Haku wouldn't change. But, he might be more curious as to why Haku never told him! >.<

Yeah. If anything, it might make the two connect even more, because while I don't think Zabuza ever felt guilty about using Haku (until the end), it might have made him feel...less...guilty. Also, Zabuza would learn more about Haku and why he is the way he is, Haku would feel acknowledged as a person, and we might actually learn something about Zabuza's past.

[halfhearted]

Goddamnit, I wish I could talk about ZabuHaku right now! You brought up some great points, halfhearted, but I'm kind of on a TsunaShizu kick right now and this is probably going to sound, erm, half-assed.

TsunaShizu, eh? :awesome

For some reason I could never get into that couple as much as SakuIno. Possibly because I'm slightly frightened of Tsunade's incredibly intimidating bra size. ^^



How did I know ZabuHaku would make clipping your toenails look cute, too?

Because they make everything look cute. Not so much Haku, but that Zabuza...

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q18/acloudwatcher/Manga/1172962852487.png

Well, he's just freaking adorable. :laugh

Someone wants links.

There's not much (only like two pics), but that's more than I thought there was out there.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/zqk8zr


Completely agree with you on the respect thing. Haku doesn't seem to have a lot of pride in his personality or even his looks, because I doubt Zabuza has ever appeared interested in those traits (unless he considered them advantageous). But Haku is a confident warrior because Zabuza taught him, and he has confidence in Zabuza's abilities.

Hrm, do you think that Zabuza would ever have used Haku to gain power, if it meant putting Haku into a sexual situation? Using his looks to gain favors from powerful people, by having the boy act as a fly-by-night prostitute?

Haku has always struck me as someone who wanted and needed recognition and attention, but was always too embarrassed or ashamed to ask.

:wtf That's so sad.

And, it makes me think of their infamous scene together, when Haku tells Zabuza that he didn't want to hurt his beautiful body. Maybe that was the boy's subtle, subconscious way of fishing for a compliment?

One that he obviously was starved for, considering how flirtatious he ends up reacting to Naruto, when the blond notices Haku's good looks.


"Example of Haku presenting us with this idea and the possible need for recognition would probably be the scene where he defended wounded Zabuza from Gato and cronies (TM)."

Could you elaborate? I think I get what you're saying, but I'm slow.

I saw that scene as Haku leaping up to defend Zabuza, not only because he cares for the man and was his loyal subordinate. But, also because by attempting to attack Zabuza (the holder of Haku's self-esteem and the man who represents the boy's need), they were attacking Haku's sense of self and delaying that feeling of pride that he likely got from being under Zabuza's wing.

I understand. I wonder what would happen if we brought up an intelligent conversational topic in HoU concerning Kishimoto and his fanservice? I'm tempted...but I'm afraid.

Certain members (who shall remain nameless :ninja) would probably complain that stuff like that had been done before, and proceed to turn it into a pairing thread.

Other members would explode their respective fangasms over the first few pages. Making tens of thousands of repeat posts proclaiming their love for their favorite character and wishing there was more fanservice.

A handful would come in and make a one or two word comment, saying they either agree or disagree.

And, a still smaller number would come in and make a real contribution to the thread. Of course, by the time these people arrived, the thread would've been merged at least four times with other threads on nearly the exact same topic, only slightly altered.

In other words, there is much to fear from the H of U. :cry

Which brings up an alternate reason as to why he killed all those kids. I don't like it much, but... Maybe it wasn't out of a desire to bring about reforms so much as it was a high school shooting type thing. Instead of being the nerdy little poor kid who wasn't cool enough for ninja school, he wanted to be Mr. "master of violence".

Haha, I don't know if I can see Zabuza doing something like that just for attention. But, you bring up a great point. Regardless of his actual motivation, I think that the killings weren't a premeditated affair. It was a spur of the moment reaction to issues that had been boiling under his skin for a long time.


That was beautiful. We need more of that in the Zabuza FC. And, I like the thought of age wearing him down, making him more susceptible to greed and more willing to measure his own worth with possessions--including Haku the tool.

Aww, thanks. <3

Zabuza is one of my favorite characters on the show and far more complex than people seem to want to admit. And, as is pretty apparent if one looks through the past few pages, he's pretty easy to talk about. ^^

He certainly enjoyed manhandling Kakashi in front of all those children.

Well, who wouldn't enjoy manhandling Kakashi in front of Team 7?

I know, I certainly would. :awesome

Yeah. If anything, it might make the two connect even more, because while I don't think Zabuza ever felt guilty about using Haku (until the end), it might have made him feel...less...guilty.

And, I don't know if Zabuza felt guilty about using Haku as a tool, even then. I think what really bothered him was that he never let the boy be anything other than a tool. When Haku obviously cared for Zabuza more than the usual amount and deep down, and Zabuza knew that he reciprocated that love.

Just couldn't admit how he felt. :pek

Also, Zabuza would learn more about Haku and why he is the way he is, Haku would feel acknowledged as a person, and we might actually learn something about Zabuza's past.

:cry So much potential goes forever to waste.


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[Momochi Zabuza]

THANK YOU FOR EXISTING! :wtf

Things have me depressed as of late...so I'm so going to reply to this right away...tomorrow. :awesome

[Aishiteru]

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q18/acloudwatcher/Manga/1172962852487.png

Well, he's just freaking adorable. :laugh

WAIIII~~~ :wtf

I wannz hugs him. :D:

[Momochi Zabuza]

This is crappy...but I finally got around to it. :D

TsunaShizu, eh? :awesome

For some reason I could never get into that couple as much as SakuIno. Possibly because I'm slightly frightened of Tsunade's incredibly intimidating bra size. ^^

I also prefer InoSaku, as far as passion goes. But I like TsunaShizu because it's this nice, calm pairing with no bitter rivalries and a lot of experience. These two have been through a lot, both together and apart, and for me it's just sort of this mellow pairing that I can't get out of my head, no matter how appallingly sexy the Sannin are when they're together. In bed. Naked. :love

There's not much (only like two pics), but that's more than I thought there was out there.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/zqk8zr

Bah. Is it supposed to be doing a weird download-y thing? Because that's what it's doing: stalling sextiem. :D:

Hrm, do you think that Zabuza would ever have used Haku to gain power, if it meant putting Haku into a sexual situation? Using his looks to gain favors from powerful people, by having the boy act as a fly-by-night prostitute?

Zabuza wouldn't have felt guilty about it, if he did. And we all know Haku would have been willing to comply. And since I doubt Zabuza sees sex as something dirty, I don't think it would have affected Haku's "purity" in his eyes (which he himself admitted he likes :love). Also, if he did feel like whoring Haku out for a few hours...or a few nights...I don't think he would feel like he was dishonoring the boy. (He belongs to him, after all.)

(Whether or not Haku views sex as sex, or if he has dorky little fantasies of making love in a bed of sexy flowers, remains to be discovered. :awesome)

There's also the possibility that Zabuza wouldn't do that to Haku, not out of respect or jealousy or anything like that...but simply because sex is such a power thing, and maybe he wouldn't want Haku to feel that? At the very least, it would teach him a thing or two, and Zabuza (for all we know) may not like that. If I were Zabuza, I'd be suspicious of pretty boys with big brains, active imaginations, and a healthy sex drive... >.>

Besides, we don't know what kind of powerful connections Zabuza had (or else wanted to secure). I mean, on one hand...you've got Kisame, a sexy loveboat, and on the other you've got Gato, for god sakes. D:

:wtf That's so sad.

lol wangst :awesome

And, it makes me think of their infamous scene together, when Haku tells Zabuza that he didn't want to hurt his beautiful body. Maybe that was the boy's subtle, subconscious way of fishing for a compliment?

One that he obviously was starved for, considering how flirtatious he ends up reacting to Naruto, when the blond notices Haku's good looks.

:hehee

I think it must have been, and...it worked, judging by Zabuza's "that's why I like you, you stroke mah ego lol" comment. ^^;

And I loved, loved, loved that scene with Naruto. Not just for the...ya know...awesome-ness and fascinating, uhh intrigue, but because it was so cute. I like that Haku was so starved for attention that he would let some twelve-year-old punk of a shinobi masturbate furiously to him before letting on that he was a guy. (The alternative, and altogether less cool version of events is that Haku was merely gathering information. Lies, all lies! ><)

Certain members (who shall remain nameless :ninja) would probably complain that stuff like that had been done before, and proceed to turn it into a pairing thread.

Other members would explode their respective fangasms over the first few pages. Making tens of thousands of repeat posts proclaiming their love for their favorite character and wishing there was more fanservice.

A handful would come in and make a one or two word comment, saying they either agree or disagree.

And, a still smaller number would come in and make a real contribution to the thread. Of course, by the time these people arrived, the thread would've been merged at least four times with other threads on nearly the exact same topic, only slightly altered.

In other words, there is much to fear from the H of U.

Ewwwwthat was perfect. Which is sad. ><

And, I don't know if Zabuza felt guilty about using Haku as a tool, even then. I think what really bothered him was that he never let the boy be anything other than a tool. When Haku obviously cared for Zabuza more than the usual amount and deep down, and Zabuza knew that he reciprocated that love.

Ahh, you say it best! That's what I meant. Both Zabuza and Haku were happy with their little master/tool arrangement, and I think both of them wanted to keep it that way...it's just, in the end, they wanted to be master/tools with benefits. :awesome

[halfhearted]

Heads up, everyone!

I had the FC name changed to something bland and generic, yet...

Better. :LOS

Back tomorrow to answer Christ's lovely post. :love

[Momochi Zabuza]

Heads up, everyone!

I had the FC name changed to something bland and generic, yet...

Better. :LOS

Zabuza x Haku

Z x H

Zetsu x Hanabi

:hehee

We have chosen the right path.

Back tomorrow to answer Christ's lovely post. :love

Looking forward to it! :salute

[Tsu]

Hello FC :WOW

[halfhearted]

Hello FC :WOW

Hi back!

I also prefer InoSaku, as far as passion goes. But I like TsunaShizu because it's this nice, calm pairing with no bitter rivalries and a lot of experience. These two have been through a lot, both together and apart, and for me it's just sort of this mellow pairing that I can't get out of my head, no matter how appallingly sexy the Sannin are when they're together. In bed. Naked.

I definitely agree about it being a wonderful pairing, in contrast to others. It's like a safety valve on all of the Narutoverse's angst, a place where you can rest while simultaneously basking in the glory of all that is yuri smexiness.

Makes the word "comfortador" comes to mind.

Anyways...

Present for you. :pajamas

Here's a Megaupload link to an explicit TsunaShizu doujin that you might not have seen...and, strangely, Shizune is the top. o.o

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VO8NVXMS


Zabuza wouldn't have felt guilty about it, if he did. And we all know Haku would have been willing to comply. And since I doubt Zabuza sees sex as something dirty, I don't think it would have affected Haku's "purity" in his eyes (which he himself admitted he likes :love).

I wonder what Zabuza does consider dirty...:oh

(Whether or not Haku views sex as sex, or if he has dorky little fantasies of making love in a bed of sexy flowers, remains to be discovered. :awesome)

For some reason, I think that if Haku was used as a tool in the bedroom, but still trying to forge his own sexual encounter with Zabuza that the answer might be both. I can imagine him thinking of sex with other people as just sex, but dreaming of some vague, shadowy encounter with Zabuza. Not fantasizing exactly, but actually asleep and letting his subconscious fire up his imagination.

There's also the possibility that Zabuza wouldn't do that to Haku, not out of respect or jealousy or anything like that...but simply because sex is such a power thing, and maybe he wouldn't want Haku to feel that? At the very least, it would teach him a thing or two, and Zabuza (for all we know) may not like that. If I were Zabuza, I'd be suspicious of pretty boys with big brains, active imaginations, and a healthy sex drive... >.>

I agree <3. It's seem likely that Zabuza tried to sublimate Haku's feelings in every way, throughout the course of their relationship. Possibly out of worry that the boy might actually learn how to have a sense of self that wasn't dependent on somebody else. A worry he shouldn't have been too bothered by, as Haku has MAJOR dependency issues.

I mean, throughout the manga, he must have restated lines similar to this one at least six or seven times:

"Often people have it wrong, mistakenly believing... that showing mercy to an enemy is kindness. They spare the foe whose life is in their hands... But don't you see? It's an empty existence... to go on living... alone and unloved... when defeat's already cost you your dream!"

Besides, we don't know what kind of powerful connections Zabuza had (or else wanted to secure). I mean, on one hand...you've got Kisame, a sexy loveboat, and on the other you've got Gato, for god sakes. D:

KisaHaku?

So much man for such a small boy...

But then, Haku already had Zabuza. And, we know who would win in a battle of the bedroom between Zabuza and Kisame:

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q18/acloudwatcher/Manga/1165916961831929.jpg

And I loved, loved, loved that scene with Naruto. Not just for the...ya know...awesome-ness and fascinating, uhh intrigue, but because it was so cute. I like that Haku was so starved for attention that he would let some twelve-year-old punk of a shinobi masturbate furiously to him before letting on that he was a guy. (The alternative, and altogether less cool version of events is that Haku was merely gathering information. Lies, all lies! ><)

The less cool version was likely not at all true. Because, in all honesty, what information could he have possibly gathered that they didn't already know?

More likely Haku's "To Do List" for that day looked something like this:

1. Stop Gatou's henchman from hurting smexy beefcake Zabuza
2. Gather flowers to make matching floral bonnets for our future fight with the Konoha shinobi
3. Feed pet rabbit
4. Become the star of at least three boys' wet dreams (i.e. Naruto)
5. Sharpen senbon needles
6.Creepily watch Zabuza sleep (^^He's just so cute when he snores)
7. Etc.

There just wasn't room for espionage with all of those other important daily tasks. ^^

Ewwwwthat was perfect. Which is sad. ><

Yes, lately, the H of U has gotten very sad, indeed. :cry

Zabuza x Haku

Z x H

Zetsu x Hanabi

:hehee

We have chosen the right path.

Oh my, our pairing FCs match. :laugh

We are the best e-couple ever^^


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[Tsu]

'sword' lol

LMAO :lmao