Ergo Proxy vs. Composite Samus

[Pintsize]

Samus is hired by the creators of the Proxies to take out the last Proxy who has inexplicably remained alive after their return. Battefield is the ruins of Romedeau. After being hired, Samus is given a basic info on the capabilities of Proxies.

Samus has one week to find and kill Ergo. Ergo has to survive, or kill off Samus.

Who wins?

[Wesley]

What's a proxy?

[Keollyn]

Proxy is? Comp Samus is something like a beast.

[Dante]

Well it depends, has Samus something to destroy Ergo Proxy's Amita (sp?) cells? Proxyes are supossed to be inmune to anything but sunlight, and Ergo Proxy seems to have some exceptional regen abilityes, I need some more info on Composite Samus, I mean what's the difference betewwn her and normal Samus?

[Wesley]

Probably a Dark Matter blast followed up by a scorching Sunburst would do it then.

[Dante]

Well, Ergo Proxy seems to be a little special since even if it wasn't 100% comfirmed he is supposed to be inmune to sunlight

Also, Ergo Proxy's speed would be troublesome as he has Shumpo-like speed bursts

[Keollyn]

Well it depends, has Samus something to destroy Ergo Proxy's Amita (sp?) cells? Proxyes are supossed to be inmune to anything but sunlight, and Ergo Proxy seems to have some exceptional regen abilityes, I need some more info on Composite Samus, I mean what's the difference betewwn her and normal Samus?

Umm... a composite character would always be different from a standard version of a character. I mean, all abilities from their various games tend to do that.

[Pintsize]

It was confirmed. He was standing in the sunlight.

http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=7824808&postcount=294

quick bio, list of some feats.

[ydraliskos]

No he wasn't. He was never standing in the sunlight. Pics?

[Dante]

In the last scene he was supposed to be standing and the sunlight was all over the place

[Keollyn]

I don't think Proxy can take composite Samus.

[MetaHybrid]

Probably a Dark Matter blast followed up by a scorching Sunburst would do it then.

She would never be able to hit him with them, they move way to slow. Samus would be better off using a Power Bomb or the Sonic Boom.

[Dante]

I don't think Proxy can take composite Samus.

You are assuming too much, for what I've seen in the games, Ergo Proxy could easily teleport by her side and ripe her appart in two...however since I don't know what can Samus as her peak can do I'll not give a definite answer

[Keollyn]

Your assuming too much, for what I've seen in the games, Ergo Proxy could easily teleport by her side and ripe her appart in two...however since I don't know what can Samus as her peak do I'll not give a definite answer

It was said in the write-up that Proxy never used teleportation in combat. So that effort is nulled.

His physical strength is undefined, and therefore, isn't proof that he can tear through Varia suit, let alone Omega.

Composite Samus isn't slow. That's the thing people don't realize.

But from what I'm getting of that write-up, a screw attack is probably all Samus would need.

[Wesley]

Samus's suit's protection is absolute, if limited. It will not be destroyed unless it runs out of power or is utterly overwhelmed. So he's not tearing it in two unless he can match a ship crashing from high orbit or a self destructing space station. He would have to wear her down and considering that Samus's suit is always absorbing energy from the enviroment, that could take awhile...

[Dante]

It was said in the write-up that Proxy never used teleportation in combat. So that effort is nulled.

His physical strength is undefined, and therefore, isn't proof that he can tear through Varia suit, let alone Omega.

Composite Samus isn't slow. That's the thing people don't realize.

But from what I'm getting of that write-up, a screw attack is probably all Samus woiuld need.

Teleport doesn't mean extreme speed, EP as Vincent Law (meaning his human form) was able to move extremely fast, think about shumpo in Bleach because his speed bursts are extremely similar, besides even if his strenght wasn't ever puty to a limit it is clear he's fairly meta human and if I remember well he could take out big robots pretty easily

[Keollyn]

Teleport doesn't mean extreme speed, EP as Vincent Law (meaning his human form) was able to move extremely fast, think about shumpo in Bleach because his speed bursts are extremely similar, besides even if his strenght wasn't ever puty to a limit it is clear he's fairly meta human and if I remember well he could take out big robots pretty easily

I'm well aware that teleport doesn't mean extreme speed. Regardless, you mentioned he would teleport behind her, even though the write-up said he never used it in combat. If he's just fast, he still going to overwhelm Samus who can use speed booster and run at mach.

I'm still not seeing the strength needed to take down Samus in Varia, let alone the suit composite Samus has access too; Omega.

Oh, and if Samus isn't matching him in speed, her weapons are. Sonic boom or Hyper beam (the former confirmed at sound speed) should be able to do the trick.

[Pintsize]

Screw attack? That's vastly underrating Ergo Proxy, I think.

Though I don't know exactly what it is that makes Ergo pseudo invulnerable, though Samus' chozo suit can probably tell, it drained the entire power supply of a city to make weapons that were potentially fatal to Ergo. After he took a shot from said weapon, he then ripped the infected area off, and regened it a short while later.

[Keollyn]

Underating? That tends to happen when feats aren't laid down.

[Pintsize]

From the writeup:
It was revealed that Daedalus rerouted the power from the entire city of Rome into the manufacturing of the bullets.

I put it down. I still think Samus has the potential to kill Ergo, just that I think one screw attack is a bit silly.

[Keollyn]

Wasn't specifically talking about durability. I'm mainly concerned with everything else. Speed and strength haven't been defined yet.

Samus, just running, can destroy the toughest (or one of the toughest) material in her verse. Screw attack can do the same... and she can do this repeatedly, almost infinitely, while staying nigh-invincible. I wouldn't be suprised if my statement was true.

[Pintsize]

While you say 'just running', that's with a running upgrade. Without the upgrade every part of her arsenal save powerbombs can't go through it. Also, she was never shown to be able to deviate from her initial direction after being already caught up in a run.

Screw attacks also made mincemeat of things very well, yet I'm still doubting that she packs as much punch in one go as an entire city.

Ergo is far faster than Samus in everything except a straight charge, and has overpowered a proxy as large as those phazon (I think it was phazon) mutated pirates in Metroid Prime: Echoes. Considering the distance they were throwing each other, I'd think it's safe to say the larger proxy was at least in the same strength bracket as the phazon pirates.

[Wesley]

I hate discussions concerning speed.

[Keollyn]

While you say 'just running', that's with a running upgrade. Without the upgrade every part of her arsenal save powerbombs can't go through it. Also, she was never shown to be able to deviate from her initial direction after being already caught up in a run.

Isn't that the only way Samus can run? And have you ever ran in a side-scroller before?

Besides, it still doesn't discredit Screw Attack being able to do it.



Screw attacks also made mincemeat of things very well, yet I'm still doubting that she packs as much punch in one go as an entire city.

I never did say in one shot. But if you think that Samus isn't carrying the output of an entire city... especially in composite mode.. then you better go back to those Metroid games.

Ergo is far faster than Samus in everything except a straight charge, and has overpowered a proxy as large as those phazon (I think it was phazon) mutated pirates in Metroid Prime: Echoes. Considering the distance they were throwing each other, I'd think it's safe to say the larger proxy was at least in the same strength bracket as the phazon pirates.

Straight charge? What?

Umm... Phazon creatures are vastly weaker than what Samus has fought in the later Metroid. I thought when you put composite Samus you knew this?

[Pintsize]

Isn't that the only way Samus can run? Have you ever ran in a side-scroller before?

If you jump, she breaks motion. If you press any other direction on the D-pad than the one she initially charged in, she breaks motion. She can't charge in an instant, or she would never have to build up momentum to get into godspeed running mode. Furthermore, Samus has shown little ability to avoid enemies that she doesn't instantly KO with the running mode. If she could just go around them (on a side scroller, moving above or below them, or turning around) why wouldn't she? It doesn't really make sense for her dash to be a mobile thing.

I never did say in one shot. But if you think that Samus isn't carrying the output of an entire city... especially in composite mode.. then you better go back to those Metroid games.

How would composite mode affect her total power output? Would having multiple suits with access to power beam grant her the power output of all the individual power beams with each discharge? Similarly for her various levels of shield/mobility functionality?

When I said composite Samus, I thought that just entailed access to all of her previous functionality. I've played through the first two metroid games, and all metroid games on any console released after metroid prime. Individually, in those games, her power output was nowhere near that.

Am I missing something here?

Umm... Phazon creators are vastly weaker than what Samus has fought in the later Metroid. I thought when you put composite Samus you knew this?

The phazon space pirates are even vastly inferior to creatures that are bosses in their respective games. I just brought that up to counter the point that Ergo was incapable of damaging Samus.