The Magog VS The Empire

[Vynjira]

Setting is during Dark Empire II while Thrawn is still in the Outer Rim, he witnesses the Magog Worldship drop out of Slipstream and is able to warn the Empire of its arrival before he is forced to engage.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Cuo-sama/DE2.jpgOr is the Worldship just too much.
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[Soul Vibe]

Sun Crusher to the middle of the Worldship

game over for the Magog.

but this is based purely on speculation, as I have no idea what the Magog are capable of. I just read it has a miniature sun in the middle, so I assumed it would be easy to take down with the Sun Crusher.

This is also assuming Thrawn and the Empire have knowledge of the existence of the Maw, and what is contained there.

[Giovanni Rild]

Magog feats please.

[TWF]

Thrawn with prep time wins. Always.

[Wesley]

Sun Crusher to the middle of the Worldship

game over for the Magog.

but this is based purely on speculation, as I have no idea what the Magog are capable of. I just read it has a miniature sun in the middle, so I assumed it would be easy to take down with the Sun Crusher.

This is also assuming Thrawn and the Empire have knowledge of the existence of the Maw, and what is contained there.

Yeah, there are a weapons in Star Wars Arsenal that can destroy stars. And a Stars energy isn't particularly awesome compared to the consumption and projection of power Star Wars ships are capable of.

The Death Star's laser alone put out more energy then a main sequence Star would in five to seven thousand years. The Executor's shields could safely absorb the entire output of a star if evenly distributed over the ships hull.

[Vynjira]

Magog Worldship, is a Superstructure composed of some 20 planets surrounding a star(A Dwarf Solar System). The Superstructure itself is very durable, it suffered minor damage when their star became the target of a Nova Bomb(Similar to the effects of a Suncrusher). Trillions of Magog live inside the hollowed planets of the Worldship. The worldship possess thousands of Point Singularity Weapons and a massive amount of Swarm Ships.

Magog Swarmships carry an undetermined number of Magog. They tend to attach to a ship, cut through their hull and swarm the vessel. They then proceed to kill and eat the crew of the vessel. The carrier vessels are armed with PSP (point singularity projectors).

Point singularity weapons, fire mini-black holes at its targets. These weapons inflict heavy damage and can destroy a ship very quickly. They typically fire at 45 PSL with a range of 23,983,396.6 kilometers

Magog swarmers don't typically carry any weapons themselves as they intend on eating their victims and using their corpses to reproduce. However Great Magog do carry Gauss Guns.

They have heightened eye sight and sense of smell and are around 10 times the strength of a Human, can spray a blinding toxin from their mouths and have claws on their hands. They can withstand a few hits from Gauss Guns but Force Lances will cut thru their bodies like butter.

As the scenario stands Thrawn will very unlikely make it away from the Worldship in order to join the main battle.but this is based purely on speculation, as I have no idea what the Magog are capable of. I just read it has a miniature sun in the middle, so I assumed it would be easy to take down with the Sun Crusher.As you undoubtedly expected, your speculation is far too assuming. Its not bad reasoning, however I'd say the moment anyone tells you they have a Star System they use as a ship, its safe to bet they have a great deal of technology to their edge.

The Ship has a slipstream drive(Most retarded method of travel..) and the Magog posses Phase Shifting Technologies.Yeah, there are a weapons in Star Wars Arsenal that can destroy stars.Andromeda itself carries 40 bombs that can destroy stars. Andromeda was incapable of destroying the MWS. I'm not sure how fast the SWU weapons fire their Star destroying weapons tho, but if its lower than 45 PSL, their PSPs can target and neutralize the threat if they need to.

[Wesley]

There's always Centerpoint.

[TWF]

There's always Centerpoint.

As well as Luke, who can counter Force Storms that can ravage the whole universe.

[Vynjira]

As well as Luke, who can counter Force Storms that can ravage the whole universe.Luke's part of the EMPIRE?? O_O;

Even still not sure if Luke would be able to beat The Spirit of the Abyss.
The Spirit of the Abyss, lives inside the MWS.

[TWF]

Luke's part of the EMPIRE?? O_O;

Even still not sure if Luke would be able to beat The Spirit of the Abyss.

You said Dark Empire, that's the same year that he was under Palaptine's authority as his apprentice.

Unless you meant Heir to the Empire and the Thrawn Trilogy. And even if not, Luke can shut black holes like their nothing, he will make a signifigant impact on the Magog, one way or another, if not rather outright in power.

[Vynjira]

I specifically stated Dark Empire II, and Palpatine was killed at that point.Luke can shut black holes like their nothing, he will make a signifigant impact on the Magog, one way or another, if not rather outright in power.He'd still have to deal with The Spirit of the Abyss. Who has on the majority only shown really impressive defensive abilities.

[Soul Vibe]

Depends on how strong the Point Singularity Weapons are really. Vong used basically the same thing, and the New Republic found a way to counter those.

I would still say the Empire wins, due to the fact that it's one solar system against the combined resources of thousands of systems. The combined fleet of the Empire, which includes like 4 SSD's and hundreds of Star Destroyer's, as well as supporting frigates and destroyers, along with the Sun Crusher and the Death Star Prototype...I'd say there's a good chance Thrawn can use all of that to his advantage to defeat the Magog.

And if you're saying Thrawn can't escape from his initial encounter from the Magog, then you're wrong. He's not one to stick around and fight a battle he can't win. As soon as he knows the capabilities of the Magog, he'll go to hyperspace to gather more forces.

[TWF]

The reborn Emperor's Empire in Dark Empire had so many Imp ISD Mark II's it isn't even funny. And he had several Eclipse class SSD, which possess planet cracking super-turbocannons.

[Vynjira]

And if you're saying Thrawn can't escape from his initial encounter from the Magog, then you're wrong. He's not one to stick around and fight a battle he can't win. As soon as he knows the capabilities of the Magog, he'll go to hyperspace to gather more forces.Unless Thrawn runs away before he knows what he's dealing with their would be minimal chance to escape. After being impacted by one PSB, his ship won't be going anywhere.

Thrawn was commanding the Admonitor at the time no? 1,600 in length and how wide?

One of the Magog Worldship's PSPs have destroyed sections of ships bigger than that.Depends on how strong the Point Singularity Weapons are really.The strongest PSP shown(That I know of) one shot planets. Tho that was fired once, so I wouldn't count on it being used unless the Death Star showed up(or something otherwise too big for the standard PSPs)
Magog WorldshipThe Nova Bomb is a weapon with the power to destroy a solar system. It utilizes a powerful element called Voltarium. It is then fired into the core of a star where it reverses the gravity in an area larger than that of the star. The internal pressure of the star then creates a nova, destroying everything in the star's vicinity. On a smaller scale, it can destroy a planet.The Magog Worldship took minimal damage when its star was struck by several of these Nova Bombs(7 by that Video, 1 before an angle switch and then you see 6 more strike.)

[TWF]

Unless Thrawn runs away before he knows what he's dealing with their would be minimal chance to escape. After being impacted by one PSB, his ship won't be going anywhere.

Thrawn was commanding the Admonitor at the time no? 1,600 in length and how wide?

One of the Magog Worldship's PSPs have destroyed sections of ships bigger than that.The strongest PSP shown(That I know of) one shot planets. Tho that was fired once, so I wouldn't count on it being used unless the Death Star showed up(or something otherwise too big for the standard PSPs).

The average PSPs on all Magog vessels created PSBs that poked huge holes into vessels 36 kilometers in length and 8 kilometers wide. The holes were large enough to disable the ship in one shot.

Working on getting a video clip of the damage shown on the 36km long ship.

Imperial ISD Mark I Star Destroyer's can take a fullside volley from a SSD, a ship that easily dwarfs it with weaponary and shielding. Your underestimating SW technology, also, Thrawn can has wiped out a flotilla of 15 warships with a picket ship in a matter of minutes.

I'm sure he won't be destroyed in the initial encounter at minimum.

[Vynjira]

Imperial ISD Mark I Star Destroyer's can take a fullside volley from a SSD, a ship that easily dwarfs it with weaponary and shielding.Yes then again thats merely an SSD, however surviving a black hole roughly 2 kilometers in Diameter is another thing entirely.Your underestimating SW technology,Think your underestimating the raw power behind their weapons.I'm sure he won't be destroyed in the initial encounter at minimum.Furthermore where's it going that the Magog Worldship can't follow it? Its not like they'll outrun the MWS..

[Cy]

Does anyone have a wallpaper of the Worldship? That'd make a sweet background...

From what I've heard, the worldship wins. If it takes minimal damage from a super nova, which are fully capable of wiping out Star Destroyers as if they were nothing, then I don't see how the Empire can win. Plus black holes are pretty much instant death if these are actual black holes... A 2KM black hole could probably atomize everything within 1000KM at least due to its massive amount of mass (aren't 1mm^2 of black hole about the weight of Earth or something? Space isn't really my forte...)

[TWF]

Furthermore where's it going that the Magog Worldship can't follow it? Its not like they'll outrun the MWS..

Micro-hyperspace jumps to throw it off, then calculate a longer one that it would not be able to follow.

[Vynjira]

Micro-hyperspace jumps to throw it off, then calculate a longer one that it would not be able to follow.Heavily Damage Ship proceeds to make multiple precision jumps to throw off a much faster ship? What helps Thrawn evade the thousands of Swarmers that would be trying to attack themselves to the hull..? Assuming they somehow survive a half lightspeed projectile bigger than their ship?

[TWF]

Heavily Damage Ship proceeds to make multiple precision jumps to throw off a much faster ship? What helps Thrawn evade the thousands of Swarmers that would be trying to attack themselves to the hull..? Assuming they somehow survive a half lightspeed projectile bigger than their ship?

Because Thrawn is a cosmic level being.

[Vynjira]

Because Thrawn is a cosmic level being.Spirt of the Abyss still exists on their ship...