freeza vs Firelord

[DeLarge]

Freeza vs Firelord from marvel

Who would win?

[Darklyre]

Firelord is above Terrax, who cracked a planet into smithereens using nothing but his physical strength and his axe. Not to mention that the Power Cosmic is RIDICULOUSLY awesome/overpowered/broken.

[Phenomenol]

Freeza CASUALLY Shruggs off planet destroying attacks like a coat, Freeza is too fast and too strong.

Freeza wins.

[~Shin~]

Firelord wins due to the Power Cosmic.

[Random Nobody]

Haven't read much Marvel but if what I've read about the Power Cosmic is true then Firelord shouldn't have any trouble taking this.

[Taleran]

Firelord looses because hes a jobber

but wins because of the Power Cosmic



your choice

[Crimson King]

Freeza CASUALLY Shruggs off planet destroying attacks like a coat, Freeza is too fast and too strong.

Freeza wins.

Wrong. He survived a planet exploding, which is not the same as a planet busting attack. Also, Frieza is NOT too fast. He is in fact, too slow.

Galactus' Heralds can move at hundred times light speed, even thousands. Frieza can't even move at light speed.

Also, Firelord can destroy GALAXIES without much trouble.

Frieza dies.

[Havoc]

^Everything you said is correct except Firelord being able to destroys galaxies.

[Random Nobody]

You made a good point Crimson but did you HAVE to mention Light Speed? Now where gonna have Phenomenol trying to explain why DBZ characters are light speed.

[mystictrunks]

Firelord will job. Everyone punks him.

[Vynjira]

FTL, Matter Manipulator and other cool powers that he won't use vs Freeza who fast to job Firelord like Spiderman. I'm willing to bet he hits harder.

In character, Freeza. Out of character, Firelord.

[Havoc]

Firelord wasn't jobbing in Annihilation.

[Phenomenol]

Wrong. He survived a planet exploding, which is not the same as a planet busting attack. Also, Frieza is NOT too fast. He is in fact, too slow.

Galactus' Heralds can move at hundred times light speed, even thousands. Frieza can't even move at light speed.

Also, Firelord can destroy GALAXIES without much trouble.

Frieza dies.

Freeza CASUALLY slapped away planet busting attacks more than once. Galactus Heralds can only travel at lightspeed NOT fight at lightspeed, DBZ character fight much faster than any Herald. Firelord blowing up Galaxies is BULLOCKS!!!!!

Freeza wins with a casual death beam.

[Random Nobody]

Nobody in DBZ is light speed. Don't know why I'm wasting my time telling you that though.

[Phenomenol]

Nobody in DBZ is light speed. Don't know why I'm wasting my time telling you that though.

Show me where it is stated that DBZ is NOT light speed? Prove your baseless claim?

[TWF]

Isn't the closest thing to FTL in Dragonball Z, Goku's Shouten Idou (spelling?)?

[Phenomenol]

NO, Shunkan Idou is "Instantaneous Movement." Nothing is faster than instant.

[Crimson King]

Freeza CASUALLY slapped away planet busting attacks more than once. Galactus Heralds can only travel at lightspeed NOT fight at lightspeed, DBZ character fight much faster than any Herald. Firelord blowing up Galaxies is BULLOCKS!!!!!

Freeza wins with a casual death beam.

1. Proof?

2. They have been shown multiple times to be much faster than light.

3.Proof that DBZ characters can go faster than light?

4. Proof that Frieza can even hit Firelord?

[Vynjira]

Show me where it is stated that DBZ is NOT light speed? Prove your baseless claim?Fail, noone has to prove they can't. You have to prove they can. If they make a statement claiming they are but they have proven an inability to actually do what they claim then the claim is no longer valid in the argument.

[Random Nobody]

Fail, noone has to prove they can't. You have to prove they can. If they make a statement claiming they are but they have proven an inability to actually do what they claim then the claim is no longer valid in the argument.

Exactly, its not my job to prove you wrong when you make a claim Phenom.

[Phenomenol]

Fail, noone has to prove they can't. You have to prove they can. If they make a statement claiming they are but they have proven an inability to actually do what they claim then the claim is no longer valid in the argument.

No, when you make a statement you have to BACK IT UP, if you were ALL in court you would Go to jail. Back it up or SHUTUP about it!

1. Proof?

2. They have been shown multiple times to be much faster than light.

3.Proof that DBZ characters can go faster than light?

4. Proof that Frieza can even hit Firelord?

Who cares if your Crappy Heralds TRAVEL LINEAR at FTL speeds, they have been TAGGED by being's who can't do any of that. Freeza fights at Super speed, faster than ANY herald, Heralds don't fight at Super speed.

[Random Nobody]

So know they fight at "Super" speed eh? And how fast is "super" speed anyway? Oh and DBZ isn't faster then light because with the exception of IT nobody has traveled over 100 thousand miles in just a second.

[mystictrunks]

Firelord loses,he's been tagged by people much slower than Freeza and lost to people much much weaker than fFreeza. He doesn't use his abilities very well at all. In short,he's a noob.

[Phenomenol]

So know they fight at "Super" speed eh? And how fast is "super" speed anyway? Oh and DBZ isn't faster then light because with the exception of IT nobody has traveled over 100 thousand miles in just a second.

DBZ Super Speed fighting is faster than ANY of Marvel's Hrealds! DBZ characters don't fly over thousands of miles because it is not needed, Their speed feats are always done in battle, not traveling LINEAR because it is USELESS movement.

Try again.:(

[Vynjira]

No, when you make a statement you have to BACK IT UP,Precisely, meaning its time for your to back yours up.if you(phenom) were ALL in court you(phenom) would Go to jail. Back it up or SHUTUP about it!In court there is a Plaintiff and a Defendant. The Plaintiff makes a claim and before the Defendant gets to speak the Plaintiff has to prove their claim. If a Plaintiff can't or doesn't show up their case is normally dismissed unless they have a good reason.

You also realize you can go to jail for making false claims..

The court doesn't make the defendant do anything until there is a valid argument. The defendant doesn't have to prove he didn't run you over until the plaintiff makes a valid claim and backs it up. Meaning either you back up your argument or you shut up about it.

Sum it up, you'd prolly be in jail or paying fines.

[Phenomenol]

Precisely, meaning its time for your to back yours up. In court there is a Plaintiff and a Defendant. The Plaintiff makes a claim and before the Defendant gets to speak the Plaintiff has to prove their claim. If a Plaintiff can't or doesn't show up their case is normally dismissed unless they have a good reason.You also realize you can go to jail for making false claims.. The court doesn't make the defendant do anything until there is a valid argument. The defendant doesn't have to prove he didn't run you over until the plaintiff makes a valid claim and backs it up. Meaning either you back up your argument or you shut up about it.

Sum it up, you'd prolly be in jail or paying fines.

Your just ranting, Your boy Random Nobody, MADE a claim he couldn't prove it therefore he lost. I NEVER made a claim in this thread, you All fail.

DBZ >> ANY Heralds.

[FireEel]

Your just ranting, Your boy Random Nobody, MADE a claim he couldn't prove it therefore he lost. I NEVER made a claim in this thread, you All fail.

DBZ >> ANY Heralds.

You are one hell of an huge idiot, Phenomenol.

That's a fact.

Show me proof that states you are not an idiot or you would forever be classified as an idiot in front of us all.

[Phenomenol]

You made the claim, now back it up!

[Vynjira]

Your just ranting,I like how you talk to yourself in reverse person, very modern and biblical of you. Yes Modern and Biblical.Your boy Random Nobody, MADE a claim he couldn't prove it therefore he lost.Which is admitting he has no proof against a claim that hasn't been made. Which means he can't loose until the claim is made and is proven.

In court you don't have to prove something didn't happen if noone claims and proves it did happen.

I NEVER made a claim in this thread, you All fail.It doesn't matter as longer as your arguing the positive.You made the claim, now back it up!You contradict yourself and don't realize how.. there thats proof.(Not that I'm merely using her statement as an example to explain why as opposed to outright bashing you.)

Now that there is sufficient proof to back up the claim, you can choose to prove otherwise or admit it.

[Phenomenol]

This is really pointless and I just realized that you Vynjira just love to rant. My point to all you BIAS @#$ members here is that it was never stated that DBZ CAN fly at lightspeed nor was it stated that they COULDN"T so stop acting like your crappy @#$ Theories is truth and move on.

DBZ >>> ANY herald, There is a claim for you!

[The Internet]

Prove it Pheno

[Random Nobody]

not traveling LINEAR because it is USELESS movement.

So even when there trying to rush to a location they just decide not to go anywhere near their full speed? Yeah that makes a lot of sense.

[Vynjira]

This is really pointless and I just realized that you Vynjira just love to rant.Speaking of meaningless jibba jabba... what were your trying to say? Oh right, you wanted to rant about DBZ being greater than everything else. Sorry if I can't take you seriously if you seriously tried to argue Willpower could stop Gravity from being altered...My point to all you BIAS @#$ members here is that it was never stated that DBZ CAN fly at lightspeed nor was it stated that they COULDN"T so stop acting like your crappy @#$ Theories is truth and move on.Well regardless of what you think they can't go FTL. Just because you didn't say they could doesn't make the statement less true.DBZ >>> ANY herald, There is a claim for you!Prove it.

oh while your at it Pheno, prove we're biased. I'll be waiting for that one.. I love when Phenom claims other people of a Bias.. its like watching a Train Wreck.

[Phenomenol]

Speaking of meaningless jibba jabba... what were your trying to say? Oh right, you wanted to rant about DBZ being greater than everything else. Sorry if I can't take you seriously if you seriously tried to argue Willpower could stop Gravity from being altered...

Another rant, you just proved my point.:laugh

Well regardless of what you think they can't go FTL. Just because you didn't say they could doesn't make the statement less true.Prove it.

Wrong, A speed was NEVER stated in the Anime/Manga. Whenever YOU try to class their speed is absolutely wrong.

Prove it.

I just did by killing Firelord with Freeza.:)

[Random Nobody]

Oh and as for Light Speed in battle that's false too. If they could fight at Light Speed then, Cell wouldn't have been hit by Goku's IT Kamehameha (he had enough time to look down and get an "oh shit!" look on his face, more than enough to move several hundred miles away and not get blown up), and Buu wouldn't have been caught in Majin Vegeta's Explosion (more than enough time to run away at light speed with that one).

[Phenomenol]

Oh and as for Light Speed in battle that's false too. If they could fight at Light Speed then, Cell wouldn't have been hit by Goku's IT Kamehameha (he had enough time to look down and get an "oh shit!" look on his face, more than enough to move several hundred miles away and not get blown up), and Buu wouldn't have been caught in Majin Vegeta's Explosion (more than enough time to run away at light speed with that one).

Goku's Shunkan Idou Kamehameha is INSTANTANEOUS, you can't dodge or outrun that. Also, Prove to me that Majin Buu knew what Vegeta was going to do? Why would Fat Buu move when he knows that won't kill him?

Your asking ridiculous questions now.

[Comic Book Guy]

The effect of the technique is instantaneous -- IT transporting across distance.

Goku moving afterwards to release the Kamehame Ha is most certainly not.

[Random Nobody]

So Buu likes getting blown up now? And why would have have to know its not the explosion reached him instantly, at Light Speed he'd have more than enough time to be thousands of miles away.

CBG already covered why IT Kamehameha isn't instant.

[Havoc]

Firelord could just infinite mass punch Frieza.

[Comic Book Guy]

Firelord could just infinite mass punch Frieza.

A Galactus Herald can do that?

[Havoc]

He can punch, and he can go faster than light speed....

[Phenomenol]

The effect of the technique is instantaneous -- IT transporting across distance.

Goku moving afterwards to release the Kamehame Ha is most certainly not.

Prove it? Especially considering the fact that Goku used Shunkan Idou to master Roshi's house and grabbed his sunglasses ALL in an instant!!! Shunkan Idou Kame Hame Ha "Teleportation Kame Hame Ha"- It's a conjunction of two moves formulated by Gokou and noone is outrunning any of that.

So Buu likes getting blown up now? And why would have have to know its not the explosion reached him instantly, at Light Speed he'd have more than enough time to be thousands of miles away.

These are retarded questions, Why Does Flash get hit by beings slower than him all the time? Why did Ener with lighting speed get matched by Luffy? Fat Buu could care less because he was stronger than vegeta.

[Comic Book Guy]

He can punch, and he can go faster than light speed....

Ah, I see what you mean.

[Havoc]

CBG, I need some comics to read. What do you recommend?

[Comic Book Guy]

Prove it? Especially considering the fact that Goku used Shunkan Idou to master Roshi's house and grabbed his sunglasses ALL in an instant!!!

Since when did the IT extend to the action outside of its usual "trasportation across distance/space"?

Scans would help understand the context.

Shunkan Idou Kame Hame Ha "Teleportation Kame Hame Ha"- It's a conjunction of two moves formulated by Gokou and noone is outrunning any of that.

IT is instant -- yes.

The Kamehame Ha instant? No.

CBG, I need some comics to read. What do you recommend?

On-going series, TPB volumes, or limited series?

[Phenomenol]

Since when did the IT extend to the action outside of its usual "trasportation across distance/space"?

Scans would help understand the context.

Since Goku was able to grab Roshi's Glasses and return back in an instant. It really doesn't matter as this is idle chatter. Goku does NOT need IT to kick ANY Heralds cheeks.

[Havoc]

CBG:All of the above.


Phenom, what would he do if Firelord rammed into him at 100x the speed of light?

[Comic Book Guy]

Since Goku was able to grab Roshi's Glasses and return back in an instant. It really doesn't matter as this is idle chatter. Goku does NOT need IT to kick ANY Heralds cheeks.[/quote]

As I remember the relevant panels, all readers see is Goku disappear, and then reappear with the glasses.

CBG:All of the above.

Phenom, what would he do if Firelord rammed into him at 100x the speed of light?

Any specific tastes? Or just general recommendations based on the comic reading community?

[Random Nobody]

These are retarded questions, Why Does Flash get hit by beings slower than him all the time? Why did Ener with lighting speed get matched by Luffy? Fat Buu could care less because he was stronger than vegeta.

I have no idea why the Flash gets hit as I don't read comics. I can only guess there's either Jobber aura in effect, or those people have fucking great reaction speeds. As for Eneru matching Luffy only his lightning attacks and teleportation he did where at Lightning speed, his normal attack speed wasn't that fast.

[Havoc]

As I remember the relevant panels, all readers see is Goku disappear, and then reappear with the glasses.



Any specific tastes? Or just general recommendations based on the comic reading community?[/QUOTE]

Anything that's kinda recent.

[Phenomenol]

Phenom, what would he do if Firelord rammed into him at 100x the speed of light?

Goku would Dodge the attack.:)

As I remember the relevant panels, all readers see is Goku disappear, and then reappear with the glasses.

All done in an instant.

[Comic Book Guy]

As I remember the relevant panels, all readers see is Goku disappear, and then reappear with the glasses.

Any specific tastes? Or just general recommendations based on the comic reading community?

Anything that's kinda recent.

I'll give you a list in after a few days -- examinations and all. I'll send a list via PM.

All done in an instant.

Or so you interpret.

Though, both of us digress.

[Havoc]

Goku isn't in this fight Phenom

[Random Nobody]

Goku would Dodge the attack.:)

So now he's 100x Light Speed?


All done in an instant.

He disappeared then reappeared, instant would mean the Glasses would have just appeared in his hand.

[Phenomenol]

Oh, Freeza would do the same thing.

[Havoc]

How? Frieza doesn't have precog or IT. Can Frieza even detect ki?

[Random Nobody]

Nope, Freeza can't detect Ki.

[Phenomenol]

How? Frieza doesn't have precog or IT. Can Frieza even detect ki?

Nope, but he has much faster reflexes than Firelord because he doesn't even travel at 100 times lightspeed.

[Havoc]

Actually he can, but I don't have scans, so don't ask me for them. He at the very least can travel a couple times the speed of light. Which would be enough to casually kill Frieza, yaun.

[EvilMoogle]

Er, all the Heralds can travel many many many times the speed of light (travel at least). They kind of have to in order to do their job as Heralds.

Proxima Centauri (the closest star to the Sun) is 4.2 light years away. It obviously doesn't take years for Galactus to go from planet to planet, so his heralds need to be able to go there fast enough to pick planets / announce his arrival.

For traveling speed they're at least several hundred times the speed of light, probably several thousand. Granted it's open to speculation how fast they accelerate to these speeds (Silver Surfer? Insanely fast, near instantaneous, but I don't know Firelord as well).

[Phenomenol]

Actually he can, but I don't have scans, so don't ask me for them. He at the very least can travel a couple times the speed of light. Which would be enough to casually kill Frieza, yaun.

Yes, Firelord can only travel a couple of times over light but not that overexaggerated "100X light" statement. Freeza has the Super speed reflexes to dodge the attack, Freeza fought a Super speed battle in Five minutes (Did an Hours worth of fighting in that time) his movements could not be SEEN or SENSED by beings who can sense Lightyears and worlds away.

Freeza's Combat speed is greater than Firelord.

[Bullet]

Firelord wins. Freeza melts as soon as the match begin, Firelord is hotter than the sun, it won't even matter how fast Freeza is if he can't even touch or get near his opponent.

[Bullet]

Show me where it is stated that DBZ is NOT light speed? Prove your baseless claim?


Show us where it's stated the DBZ characters are light speed?

[Phenomenol]

Firelord wins. Freeza melts as soon as the match begin, Firelord is hotter than the sun, it won't even matter how fast Freeza is if he can't even touch or get near his opponent.

Bwhahwhahahhahahahahaa!!!

[Vynjira]

All done in an instant.No its not. You have no fucking concept of what instant is.

If it was instant NOONE would have seen him disappear because he would be occupying the two spots. He disappeared meaning at some point he was no longer in two spots at the same time.

Learn what context is before you debate.

[Phenomenol]

No its not. You have no fucking concept of what instant is.

If it was instant NOONE would have seen him disappear because he would be occupying the two spots. He disappeared meaning at some point he was no longer in two spots at the same time.

Learn what context is before you debate.

Uh, excuse me Goku used INSTANTANEOUS MOVEMENT to grab Roshi's Glasses, it is @#$%ing stated. Canon >>>>>>>>>>> YOUR opinions.

You need to learn that your crappy explanations don't override the Manga.

[Random Nobody]

Okay I'm gonna explain this SLOWLY so you can understand. Goku used an instantaneous movement to get to Roshi, took his glasses, then used it to get back. Because Goku disappeared from everyone's sight he wasn't able to get the glasses instantaneously, otherwise he wouldn't have disappeared at all he would have just suddenly had the glasses.

EDIT: In case you still don't get it, here's some canon for ya http://www.ultimatedbz.com/pictures/Manga/Dragonball%20Z/Book%2018/Chapter%2005/db43pg68.GIF

[Vynjira]

Uh, excuse me Goku used INSTANTANEOUS MOVEMENT to grab Roshi's Glasses, it is @#$%ing stated.Yea, and even tho they showed you exactly what they meant you still got it wrong.
IT is instantaneous actions outside that technique are NOT. Get that thru your head. Another thing learn to read the intentions of the author and not picking the definition you like best and claiming it has to be so.

Canon >>>>>>>>>>> YOUR opinions.

Cannon shows him disappear meaning grabbing Roshi's Glasses took a moment in time. Thus your wrong according to canon.

You need to learn that your crappy opinions don't override the Manga. Which you insecently fight against with double meanings that only contradict the rest of the manga.

You fail, because you can't comprehend the words your reading.

[TWF]

Yea, and even tho they showed you exactly what they meant you still got it wrong.
IT is instantaneous actions outside that technique are NOT. Get that thru your head. Another thing learn to read the intentions of the author and not picking the definition you like best and claiming it has to be so.

Canon >>>>>>>>>>> YOUR opinions.

Cannon shows him disappear meaning grabbing Roshi's Glasses took a moment in time. Thus your wrong according to canon.

You need to learn that your crappy opinions don't override the Manga. Which you insecently fight against with double meanings that only contradict the rest of the manga.

You fail, because you can't comprehend the words your reading.

Freeza's power level is well over 9000.

[Vynjira]

Freeza's power level is well over 9000.Well yes, but need a scan. ;p

[Phenomenol]

Show us where it's stated the DBZ characters are light speed?

No speed is ever stated, Freeza wins that is all you need to know.

[TWF]

No speed is ever stated, Freeza wins that is all you need to know.

Dude I love Dragonball Z as much as the next guy into heavy action and seizure inducing Ki explosions but...the closet thing besides Goku, Buu's and Cell's IT is Jenemba's Instant Movement. And I'm pretty sure that is still below FTL.

Although that is filler, him ripping dimensional portals through time and space is an interesting counter to FireLord's ability.

[Vynjira]

No speed is ever stated, Freeza wins that is all you need to know.Ok, so no speed is stated, which means again they aren't ftl. You take the lowest speed possible when none is stated..

[Phenomenol]

Ok, so no speed is stated, which means again they aren't ftl. You take the lowest speed possible when none is stated..

WTF more idle chatter? You can NOT Class something that the Damn Author himself has NOT classed!!!! No speed was given therefore you can't simply say "they can't" because of your foolish bias!

When are you going to donate something to the actual battle at hand?

[Random Nobody]

WTF more idle chatter? You can NOT Class something that the Damn Author himself has NOT classed!!!! No speed was given therefore you can't simply say "they can't" because of your foolish bias!

When are you going to donate something to the actual battle at hand?

Since you apparently missed it (an easy mistake I edited my post after I found it because nobody had posted yet and I don't like double posting) here is the proof that not only is IT Kamehameha not instant but DBZ characters are not Light Speed. http://www.ultimatedbz.com/pictures/Manga/Dragonball%20Z/Book%2018/Chapter%2005/db43pg68.GIF

As you can clearly see Cell has time to start cursing before he gets blown up. Someone with Light Speed could have easily dodged the attack in that time.

[Vynjira]

WTF more idle chatter? You can NOT Class something that the Damn Author himself has NOT classed!!!! No speed was given therefore you can't simply say "they can't" because of your foolish bias!There speed wasn't stated, however a distance and time were given and in a rush Goku could not cover more than .002% lightspeed. So we know for damn certain he wasn't lightspeed. Canon Manga Sources prove they can't.When are you going to donate something to the actual battle at hand?Actually I have been, Freeza is too slow, and check the first page. Now be a good boy and shut it.

Firelord wins, as he's faster and more powerful. Phenom's conceded his argument speeds of FTL were ever stated in canon. So with that said we only have the feats that contradicted his prior claims. Which prove Freeza isn't fast enough to keep up with Firelord.No speed is ever stated,damn fucking straight.

[Phenomenol]

There speed wasn't stated, however a distance and time were given and in a rush Goku could not cover more than .002% lightspeed. So we know for damn certain he wasn't lightspeed. Canon Manga Sources prove they can't.Actually I have been, Freeza is too slow, and check the first page. Now be a good boy and shut it.

Firelord wins, as he's faster and more powerful. Phenom's conceded his argument speeds of FTL were ever stated in canon. So with that said we only have the feats that contradicted his prior claims. Which prove Freeza isn't fast enough to keep up with Firelord.damn fucking straight.

Bullocks!!! I already told you trying to use a weakend Goku won't help your argument, and DBZ speed feats are done in BATTLE never traveling to the liquor store and back. You fail again. No speed was ever given and you can't class them.

Firelord can only travel fast, he doesn't fight at Super speed like Freeza. And he has nowhere near the power Freeza has.

[Random Nobody]

I showed you how even in battle they don't have light speed.

[Comic Book Guy]

Yet, also take into consideration that not all battles and conflicts will always be brought up close -- depending on some characters, the battles and conflicts between the two sides would never have to meet and engage in h2h combat.

[Phenomenol]

Random Nobody, Show me whare a speed is stated or shutup.

[DeLarge]

i think we are overlooking speed here there are other attributes that are important in battle :)............though phenomenal is wrong about the IT being instant he does make a good point about firelord only able to travel at the speed of light and not fight at the speed of light and freeza doesn't need to get close to firelord to crush him with a deathball

[Vynjira]

Random Nobody, Show me whare a speed is stated or shutup.Speed is shown to be less than lightspeed, so you can shut it unless you find proof that the normal people watching aren't also lightspeed. Time passes, thats all the proof needed that something isn't moving at lightspeed.

More importantly, since no speed is stated that means you cannot claim they are lightspeed or anywhere need it unless you have a feat that would require such speed.

Unless a speed is stated Phenom, you go by the best speed feats, which is Goku going .002% lightspeed down snakeway. and no amount of sprinting is gonna move that up into lightspeed. People have entertained that idea but your just fooling yourself that a springing speed could be that much higher than that person's running speed.

Infact if we use real life examples, Sprinters aren't much faster than Runners. For Goku his sprinting speed should be Mach 20, as opposed to Mach 17 being his travel speed.
Travel = 5784.93 = 0.00193%
Sprint = 6710.5188 = 0.00224%
Lightspeed = 299,792,458 = 100%

firelord only able to travel at the speed of light and not fight at the speed of light and freeza doesn't need to get close to firelord to crush him with a deathballDeathball wouldn't likely phase Firelord, furthermore he wouldn't likely hit a target than can move much faster even in linear travel he's out of the way before anything touches him. Shit at this point Firelord rushes him at 10 times lightspeed and tackles him into a star. Where Firelord can survive but Frieza wouldn't.

[A]

NO, Shunkan Idou is "Instantaneous Movement." Nothing is faster than instant.
Negative time, moving so fast that time goes backwards.

[Random Nobody]

Random Nobody, Show me whare a speed is stated or shutup.

I don't need to, I posted a scan showing DBZ characters not moving at light speed. Unless you can provide a scan where a DBZ character moves as light speed (either by someone stating its light speed or by the feat being impossible at less than light speed) then where done here as you have no argument.

The canon scan I posted is better than your opinions. :amuse

[The Anti-Existence]

There's always been a anti-DBZ sentiment here and always will be.

Any DBZ topic is doomed. The DBZ'er loses.

That's why Blackbolt can beat end of DBZ Goku, Gohan and Vegeta.

[Phenomenol]

Speed is shown to be less than lightspeed, so you can shut it unless you find proof that the normal people watching aren't also lightspeed. Time passes, thats all the proof needed that something isn't moving at lightspeed.More importantly, since no speed is stated that means you cannot claim they are lightspeed or anywhere need it unless you have a feat that would require such speed. Unless a speed is stated Phenom, you go by the best speed feats, which is Goku going .002% lightspeed down snakeway. and no amount of sprinting is gonna move that up into lightspeed. People have entertained that idea but your just fooling yourself that a springing speed could be that much higher than that person's running speed. Infact if we use real life examples, Sprinters aren't much faster than Runners. For Goku his sprinting speed should be Mach 20, as opposed to Mach 17 being his travel speed.Travel = 5784.93 = 0.00193%
Sprint = 6710.5188 = 0.00224%
Lightspeed = 299,792,458 = 100%

NONE of YOUR explanation/Calculations was in the Manga and Anime. No speed was ever given so stop trying to class it. Also, I like how everyone's assuming that light moves at the same speed in the real world as it does in the Dragon World.

Where a damn dog is the king.

Deathball wouldn't likely phase Firelord, furthermore he wouldn't likely hit a target than can move much faster even in linear travel he's out of the way before anything touches him. Shit at this point Firelord rushes him at 10 times lightspeed and tackles him into a star. Where Firelord can survive but Frieza wouldn't.

A Deathball would KILL Firelord, Spider-man laid his @#$ out cold and others. Freeza fights at Super speed, Firelord does NOT. Freeza kills him.

[Crimson King]

A Deathball would KILL Firelord, Spider-man laid his @#$ out cold and others. Freeza fights at Super speed, Firelord does NOT. Freeza kills him.

FAILURE


Stop bullshitting please. You're making yourself look more like a retarded DBZ fanboy.

1. You have NO PROOF at all that Frieza can move a multiple times light speed.

2. Super Speed =/= Light speed

3. It was shown MANY TIMES that heralds can move well beyond light speed.

4.A Death ball is so slow Frieza can toss a million of them and not one will hit Firelord.

[~Shin~]

Just wondering how exactly did Spiderman beat Firelord?

[Random Nobody]

NONE of YOUR explanation/Calculations was in the Manga and Anime. No speed was ever given so stop trying to class it.

Perhaps not, but the length of Snakeway was as seen here.
http://www.ultimatedbz.com/pictures/Manga/Dragonball%20Z/Book%2002/Chapter%2001/DBZ_011.gif

Now then if you convert Kilometers to miles (a kilometer is equal to 0.621 miles) then you get 621000 miles. Now as I'm sure you know Light Speed is roughly 186,282.397 miles per second. Now with some simple division you can determine that at Light speed it would take roughly 3 seconds to travel Snakeway. Goku took much, much longer then that, even on the way back from his training. Therefore well a speed was not stated, its not impossible to determine there speed.


Also, I like how everyone's assuming that light moves at the same speed in the real world as it does in the Dragon World.

Where a damn dog is the king.


This is a flawed argument if I've ever seen one. Show me one scan of anyone saying the Speed of Light is different in DBZverse. If you can't I can only assume the Speed of Light is the same as it is here.

[Phenomenol]

FAILURE
Stop bullshitting please. You're making yourself look more like a retarded DBZ fanboy.1. You have NO PROOF at all that Frieza can move a multiple times light speed.2. Super Speed =/= Light speed

3. It was shown MANY TIMES that heralds can move well beyond light speed.

4.A Death ball is so slow Frieza can toss a million of them and not one will hit Firelord.

Freeza FIGHTS at Super speed, Firelord does not. Unless you want me to post Firelord getting KO'd by characters who DON'T TRAVEL the Galaxies in seconds? Freeza's death Ball attack couldn't be SEEN or SENSED, all Firelord would see is a Flash of light and he is dead.

[EvilMoogle]

Just wondering how exactly did Spiderman beat Firelord?

One of the most disputed comics of all time? The popular answer is "bad writing."

If memory serves me correctly he lured Firelord to near a gas station and blew up the station. Didn't really "beat" Firelord, just drove him off.

But generally Spider-man shouldn't be fast enough or strong enough to hurt Firelord.

And this is coming from a Spider-man fan ;)

[Random Nobody]

Freeza's death Ball attack couldn't be SEEN or SENSED, all Firelord would see is a Flash of light and he is dead.

A guy who can move at Light Speed can't see a Death Ball? Even if your bullshit argument about Ki attacks being Light Speed was true he'd still be able to fucking see it.

[Crimson King]

Just wondering how exactly did Spiderman beat Firelord?

That my friend, was SMvsFL

http://editthis.info/rumblepedia/SMvsFL

[Phenomenol]

A guy who can move at Light Speed can't see a Death Ball? Even if your bullshit argument about Ki attacks being Light Speed was true he'd still be able to fucking see it.

Firelord couldn't even dodge slow @#$ attacks from Morg and Spider-man. He is not dodging freeza's death beam (an attack which light does not reflect) beacuase that takes Super-speed reflexes Firelord has none of that.

[Vynjira]

Firelord couldn't even dodge slow @#$ attacks from Morg and Spider-man. He is not dodging freeza's death beam (an attack which light does not reflect) beacuase that takes Super-speed reflexes Firelord has none of that.I could be like you and say Freeza is slower than Spiderman because it was never stated what speed Freeze moves at. I could also be like you and say Goku was tagged by slow ass people and he could trade blows with Freeza.

Thing is, its total bullshit. I could also be like you and claim Wolverine, Storm, Cyclops are all FTL because they dodge things that have no stated speed so therefore MUST be lightspeed...

Phenom your arguments don't even pretend to have substance that would constitute an actual argument. You've also proven on several occasions you do not understand the English language. So not only are your arguments worthless but your comments on how we fail and we are bias have become complements to our intelligence. Every time you speak, you make us sound more intelligent, simply because the way you try to argue.

Furthermore anyone who sees you write Fail, knows that you don't know what the word means. When someone calls you something without knowing the meaning of it, thats fail.

[Random Nobody]

You still haven't stated exactly how fast Super Speed (I can only assume this refers to speed lines which means almost every manga character out there is as fast as DBZ characters) is, and you obviously didn't look at Crimson King's link.

[Comic Book Guy]

We are definitely not going to have another Vegito vs. Vegito on our hands, if I can help it.