Clark Kent vs Raditz

[Birkin]

This is Clark Kent from Smallville. We'll divide it into different scenarios. He'll be fighting Goku's older brother, Raditz.

Scenario 1: Season 1
Scenario 2: Season 2
Scenario 3: Season 3
Scenario 4: Season 4
Scenario 5: Season 5
Scenario 6: Season 6

[Giovanni Rild]

He's a newb, but he's still Superman.

[CrazyMoronX]

Vegeta would kill him, very easily.

Clark from Smallville is an idiot. He rarely uses speed, cannot fly, and isn't even that strong.

[Dante]

Season 6 Clark has a chance, seeing he has developed his speed and invulnerability however vegeta would still win, Goku at the end of Dragon Ball without flying would be a better match up

[CrazyMoronX]

If Clark season 6 fights really intelligently he could win it. But, he'd really have to make use of his abilities, which he never does.

I suppose he's faster than Vegeta (running full speed, but he doesn't seem that fast on the show in general), so he could speedblitz and break his neck or something. I just don't see it happening.

Maybe if he uses his super breath to knock Vegeta off balance. :rotfl

[The last Dalek]

He's a newb, but he's still Superman.

Clark is no were near Superman level a mace left a bruise on him.

[Dante]

Clark is no were near Superman level a mace left a bruise on him.

That was waaaay back in season 1 now in season 6 he's much much durable, back in season 5 he was able to go over the atmosphere and came back completely unharmed, that says lots in terms of improvement

[master bruce]

you do realize that even in season 6 at most clary is only about as strong as class 70,
as fast as 2x the speed of sound(at max 3x sound),
as durable as able to withstand the big house house meteor that hit him,
as skill at fighting as some guy with no real fighting training what so ever,
and he has his heat vision and heightened senses.

That being said, he will put up a good fight against this vegeta and die in the end.

I doubt he can keep it up for long, as he has proven to get worn out when fighting opponents on his level for more than 1 minute or 2.
Z fighters fight for long time as they have incredible stamina and that will give vegeta the win.
Plus, vegeta can blow the planet up and is 100 better fighter than clark.


I see clark taking some real punishment from a vegeta moving so fast clark can see him, but can't touch him.

Vegeta will get sick of beating the living crap out of him and just blow him the f#$k up with a powerful ki blast while hovering above him.

Vegeta wins in 5 minutes.

[Kai]

The first 5 seasons get curbstomped so badly.

I haven't seen much of six, but I don't believe he's developed flight yet. Vegeta should be able to win with moderate difficulty.

[CrazyMoronX]

I can see Clark landing some blows on Vegeta, actually. DBZ guys like to engage hand-to-hand first, but utilize their speed a lot. Clark would get pummeled at first, but then wise up and use his speed. Get in a few shots.

After Vegeta tastes his strength, and sees how durable he is, he'll start unleashing his ki. I don't see the fight lasting much longer after he gets airborne.

[Nice Gai]

If Clark has his red ring and can fly he can do some damage.

[omgbbq]

the prince of all saiyans wins

[Comic Book Guy]

I don't see how any of the early seasons Clark would win.

Latest season has the best chance, but I still don't see how a win to be that easy or even determined.

[Dr@gon_Archer]

see, i would go 4 vegeta hands own cuz hes an effing BEAST!
a good fight would be a 4-way between batman, goku, gaara and edward elric

[Dio Brando]

see, i would go 4 vegeta hands own cuz hes an effing BEAST!
a good fight would be a 4-way between batman, goku, gaara and edward elric

No, it wouldn't...

[Comic Book Guy]

see, i would go 4 vegeta hands own cuz hes an effing BEAST!
a good fight would be a 4-way between batman, goku, gaara and edward elric

Just.

No.

[Reznor]

Well, I think Raditz v. Season 6 CK is the best one here.

I'd put Smallville's CK in later Dragonball PL, personally.
No, it wouldn't... It is if you are a big Goku fan :nuts

[Dio Brando]

It is if you are a big Goku fan :nuts

well yeah but that 4 way is a mean curbstomp....

[Birkin]

Could any of you mods change it to Raditz instead?

[Crimson Dragoon]

Latest season Clark has the best chance of beating Raditz, that is if he utilizes his strength and speed. Heat vision won't do terribly much to Raditz. At worst, it'll cause a very minor burn. Superhearing could be useful to Clark also since he could use it to locate where Raditz is if he tries to speedblitz him. Still, I'm leaning towards Raditz 6/10 because of his destructive ki blasts and marginally superior speed.

[Keollyn]

Raditz has superior speed? Somehow, I can't see that...

Crusade Clark would maul Raditz. Any other has a fairly odd chance of losing the majority.

[Thanatos]

Just.

No.

I couldn't agree more.

[ouatic]

I see current Clark standing a good chance against Radditz. It this was Jor-El empowered/controlled Clark, then the fight would be in more of a favor for Clark.

[master bruce]

strength wise and durability I say my boy CK has the advantage.

That being said he will die for 5 reasons:
1. radditz is way two fast, clark can do about twice sound speed. this is like 1/4 radditz full speed, radditz will easily out speed him.
2. Radditz is a better fighter. Will easily outclass him.
3.Radditz has blasts that can do more damage than heat vision(clarks' version on smalleville has nowhere near the power that comicbook fullgrown superman's heatvision has.) Radditz can blow up the moon with only alittle effort.
4.Radditz is less durable than clark, so couldn't take too many punches from clark, but since clark is way too slow to keep up, radditz being less durable doesn't matter, I doubt clark will get more than 1 or maybe 2 hits.
5. Radditz will not hesitate to use deadly force right from the start.
Clark will mentally bicker with if and tug of war with it in his mind, which will not let him use all his might in his punches. Radditz won't be so kind.



CK is my boy, T. Welling is greatest superman, next to C. reeves, but he will die if he fights radditz.

[Birkin]

CK is my boy, T. Welling is greatest superman, next to C. reeves, but he will die if he fights radditz.
This I agree with. R.I.P. Christopher Reeves.

[Bullet]

Season 5 or six will beat Raditz.

[Bullet]

strength wise and durability I say my boy CK has the advantage.

That being said he will die for 5 reasons:
1. radditz is way two fast, clark can do about twice sound speed. this is like 1/4 radditz full speed, radditz will easily out speed him.
2. Radditz is a better fighter. Will easily outclass him.
3.Radditz has blasts that can do more damage than heat vision(clarks' version on smalleville has nowhere near the power that comicbook fullgrown superman's heatvision has.) Radditz can blow up the moon with only alittle effort.
4.Radditz is less durable than clark, so couldn't take too many punches from clark, but since clark is way too slow to keep up, radditz being less durable doesn't matter, I doubt clark will get more than 1 or maybe 2 hits.
5. Radditz will not hesitate to use deadly force right from the start.
Clark will mentally bicker with if and tug of war with it in his mind, which will not let him use all his might in his punches. Radditz won't be so kind.



CK is my boy, T. Welling is greatest superman, next to C. reeves, but he will die if he fights radditz.


Do you even have proof that Raditz is sound speed? Clark can travel over to another country in seconds, Raditz wasn't close to even pulling off a feat like that.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lpjpRYRLhMQ

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_7RNBe8OnT0

http://youtube.com/watch?v=p7WD8ePB_Ik

[master bruce]

dude, radditz dodged piccoloes beam cannon.
you telling me beam cannon isn't faster than sound speed.


In fact at the end of db goku was able to move faster than sound.

You mean to tell me you don't think radditz (who a faster/stronger than db goku), had trouble keeping up with, isn't faster than sound.


Radditz also, casually caught a bullet at point blank range and smirked as if it were nothing.


There are no specific statments that say it like how instant tranmission is stated as being instantaneous/lightspeed, but by the above speed feats of radditz, you can figure it out that he can move at faster than sound, cause bullets fly faster than sound, sound=670 mph, bullets=700 mph plus.

Common sense says that Radditz is faster than soundspeed.

Now argue with common sense.

[Havoc]

How do you figure Radditz is faster than Clark?

[master bruce]

let's say that radditz is not faster,but at equal speed as clark.

Radditz is still too powerful, ki wise, has too many ki blasts that are all stronger than clarks' version(not comicbook full strength superman version) of heat vision. Radditz is too skilled at fighting, and radditz, could just sfly up in the air and blast him/ or coume in and h2h beat him to death.
As he has been shown to be hurt/bleed/ dazed by people near/ on par with him, and this is just by people close to his strength. Radditz is close to his speed, better fighter(way better), and got ki blasts that can blow up the moon with only alittle effort.



Its safe to say Radditz will win 8/10.
We've seen him get beaten down before by peole that don't come close to radditz' speed,skill,or moon busting power.


Kryptonite isn't the only thing that can beat clark kent.

[Keollyn]

How do you figure Radditz is faster than Clark?

That's what I'd like to know...

[Shidoshi]

you do realize that even in season 6 at most clary is only about as strong as class 70,
as fast as 2x the speed of sound(at max 3x sound),Not to nitpick, but this season, Clark ran from Venezuela to Metropolis in the amount of time it took Chloe to say "Clark, help me!". He's slower than Smallville's Flash/Impulse, but still much faster than Mach 3.
as durable as able to withstand the big house house meteor that hit him,He withstood upper atmospheric re-entry aboard a missle.

I'd say the only thing Vegiita outclasses Clark in, is fighting skill...which can actually start to bridge the gap between their attributes.

[master bruce]

Hey, man, I just said that they are equal in speed.

That's the best you're gonna get.

[master bruce]

I appologize, I didn't see the episode where he ran that fast, if
I'd seen it I'd never have said that.

I see most of the episodes,but I guest I missed that one.



So Now clark is faster than mach 3.
You learn something new everday.

[Havoc]

Clark can fly, it's been shown twice. Once when he was being controlled by Jor El, and the other time in the ep where he brings Lana to his Fortress of Solitude.

[Keollyn]

But his speed feats are consistently better. The fact that he outran a rifle shot AFTER it was fired (and halfway to its target) makes him faster than 3x sound

@Havoc: The Lana one was a jump.

[Shidoshi]

Hey, man, I just said that they are equal in speed.

That's the best you're gonna get.But you're still wrong. Clark is much faster than sound this season. He went from South America to "Metropolis, Kansas" in less than five seconds.

Raditz was no where near pulling off feats like that.

Just because you say that Raditz is Clark's equal in speed, doesn't mean he is.

He isn't.

[Havoc]

But his speed feats are consistently better. The fact that he outran a rifle shot AFTER it was fired (and halfway to it's target) makes him faster than 3x sound

@Havoc: The Lana one was a jump.

No, he was floating.

And anyway I was wrong, he's flown three times.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s3y7Ok_m-Rg

[Keollyn]

Yeah, they weren't very good with the jumping animation, but that was a jump. Just like when he had to get to the rocket... another jump.

If Clark could fly, you'd think he be flying regularly.

[Giovanni Rild]

Yeah, they weren't very good with the jumping animation, but that was a jump. Just like when he had to get to the rocket... another jump.

If Clark could fly, you'd think he be flying regularly.

You don't want everyone knowing that you could fly.

[Keollyn]

True, but certain scenarios after that "supposed" flight called for it, and he doesn't use it. And if he can fly as fast as he runs, who'd see him?

[Havoc]

If he flew the story wouldn't be as good. pis

[Keollyn]

That's why they still haven't allowed him to fly yet. He's only flown in Crusade, and floated in season 1.

[Kai]

Clark certainly has some plausible feats this season, but I still find his time of reaction slower. Radditz caught a shotgun bullet at point blank range, and flicked it with equal/more force. I find Clark getting tagged by things much slower than him, even when he's facing down the foe right in front of him.

[Havoc]

Clark catches bullets and projectiles easily all the time.

[Havoc]

Watch this

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WewQw0nZ97E&mode=related&search=

[Keollyn]

Clark certainly has some plausible feats this season, but I still find his time of reaction slower. Radditz caught a shotgun bullet at point blank range, and flicked it with equal/more force. I find Clark getting tagged by things much slower than him, even when he's facing down the foe right in front of him.

Yet you can't ignore his high-end feats. He outran a rifle shot... after it was halfway to its target. Rifles can shoot bullets up to 1000m/s.

P.S. And shotgun don't even fire bullets all that fast. The fastest one can reach is around 427m/s

[Endless Mike]

Smallville Clark sucks and is a weakling.

[Havoc]

Shut off EM, ok?

Just shut off.

[Birkin]

Smallville Clark sucks and is a weakling.

Smallville beats those shitty comics.

[Endless Mike]

As if you've actually read any of them

[Birkin]

I gave it a shot. I gave up almost right away. Why?

1. In Smallville, Lana Lang is so hot it's not even funny.
2. It has some really great actors.
3. It's not overpowered to no end.
4. It's more enjoyable to watch Smallville than read Superman pulling planets on a leash.

There you go. Four good reasons I find Smallville and its version of the upcoming Superman better than the comics. Oh and by the way, Christopher Reeves was God of the different Supermen.

[Keollyn]

Lana is not a good reason to defend Smallville. SHe's like the negatvie point of Smallville to the max.

[Bullet]

Smallville beats those shitty comics.


That show doesn't come close to the comics. Read before you judge.

[Crimson Dragoon]

I gave it a shot. I gave up almost right away. Why?

1. In Smallville, Lana Lang is so hot it's not even funny.
2. It has some really great actors.
3. It's not overpowered to no end.
4. It's more enjoyable to watch Smallville than read Superman pulling planets on a leash.

There you go. Four good reasons I find Smallville and its version of the upcoming Superman better than the comics. Oh and by the way, Christopher Reeves was God of the different Supermen.

You're probably talking about the Pre-Crisis comics or some of Loeb's shit. If you want a good Superman comic, give Kingdom Come a shot.

[Havoc]

That's not really a Superman comic...

[Crimson Dragoon]

Superman still played a vital role in it though and, well, it's a pretty good read overall.

[master bruce]

dude I already said I was wrong, I didn't sse that episode where he was faster than 3x mach.

I now say clark has speed advantage.
With this new evidence I see clark killing him.


Radditz is fast,but if clark is 2 or 3 x faster then he will dominate if he can hit radditz, which he can.

If he does like when he fought kain and uses the kill punches then radditz will die.

I only say this now cause raddita won't really be able to hit him(even though radditz is claerly the superior h2h fighter),unless clark makes a mistake, which doesn't matter if you are 2or3 x faster and only have to connect a few of your vastly superior strength punches and have greater durability than your opponent. That is only reason clark will win.

Plus, even if radditz flies up high to use his special radditz fireball or try to blow up a quarter of the planet, clark can heatvision him enough to hurt him or knock out the air, which will leave him open for more punishment.

I doubt clarks' heatvision(a weak water down version far weaker than comicbook superman's heatvision) is powerful enough to kill him, but it could knock him out the air. which put s radditz back on the ground and leaves him open to clarks' fists and superior strength and speed.

That is the only reason why I recanted my earlier post and believe that clark can actually win.
but if he makes a mistake radditz could hand him his ass(only because of far far far superior saiyajin fighting instinct/skills).

I say clark wins 9/10.

[Vynjira]

Ever notice how after Clark's race with Flash in the following episodes he proceeded to move multiples of his older speeds..?

Either way Radditz isn't a thousandth of Clark's speed.

[master bruce]

guess clark just needed someone like him to challenge him and make him unlock his hidden potential.

[Reznor]

Goku and EM: Don't argue about comic vs. smallville versions of Clark Kent. Comic versions aren't relevant, and Goku is arguing quality while I assume EM is arguing level of feats.
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With Raditz, we need to be mindful of Dragonball (i.e. not Z) feats. The only source of Raditz's feats is the degree to which he's better then all the previous feats.

[Birkin]

You're right on both subjects Reznor. I don't want this to turn into a flame fest. And we must also keep in mind what you said, namely that Raditz overcomes every Dragon Ball feats. Goku at the first tournament created three afterimages. And there are a whole lot other feats one could mention.

[omgbbq]

raditz beats clark kent

[master bruce]

how, Clark can catch him before he gets too high, even if he tries to fly, and with clark's speed jumping like it has done recently, I don't see radditz winning.

Clark takes it on speed nad strength advantage.
clark's punches would crush radditz.
Radditz is superstrong,but as dbz goes he is a weakling.
He is fast,but clark is most likely several times faster, based on his recent speed feats that top all of the feats radditz did in dbz.

radditz is way better fighter and can blow up the moon,but clark is faster and will not let himk sit there and powerup to do any real powerful ki blasts, and since radditz can't gather ki as fast as nappa(who blew the city up just by putting two fingers up.) Radditz has no way of really beating clark if clark is pissed off.


Clark is a goody good, but if radditz talks some smack and then kills chloe or lana or martha, clark will preceed to rip him aprt,literally.

Against nappa or vegeta clark will die.
Against radditz clark will win.

[Crimson Scorpio]

Assuming this is Dub Raditz, Clark stands no chance. The man was moving FTL...

Manga Raditz didn't seem all that powerful but I haven't watched sufficient amounts of Smallville in order to formulate a general idea of Clark's development.

[Vynjira]

Assuming this is Dub Raditz, Clark stands no chance. The man was moving FTL...

Manga Raditz didn't seem all that powerful but I haven't watched sufficient amounts of Smallville in order to formulate a general idea of Clark's development.Anime Radditz wasn't ftl.

[Reznor]

Anime Radditz wasn't ftl. Yeah, he was talking about the American Dub line that mentions him moving faster than light.

[Vynjira]

Yeah, he was talking about the American Dub line that mentions him moving faster than light.I know what he was talking about, but Radditz wasn't. Goku proves Radditz was indulging in either a lie or a hyperbole in the same Anime.

Unless of course light travels at much slower speeds in DBZ.

[Reznor]

I know what he was talking about, but Radditz wasn't. Goku proves Radditz was indulging in either a lie or a hyperbole in the same Anime.

Unless of course light travels at much slower speeds in DBZ. What instance are you refering to?

[Vynjira]

What instance are you refering to?Goku post King Kai's training of course... especially seeing as the first half of his training with King Kai was to build speed and strength.

[master bruce]

that proves nothing.
Light does does not travel slower in dbz verse, who told you some crazy crap like that,man.

Radditz wasn't faster than light.
If he was, he would have killed goku and piccolo in 2 seconds.
At most, he was only around mach 1 or 2. The speed feats weren't even that high during the beginning of dbz, so how can this weakling just out speed everyone of the powerful characters, many of which came along after saiyajin saga and were still not anywhere near light speed.

So how can radditz be faster than light!?!
Burta was one of the fastest being during frieza saga where the powerlevels were insane and the speed feats were insane too.
Goku outran burta and made him look like a turtle in comparison.
All this from characters who were at most mach 20-500.
Only said up to 500 cause goku was doing shit like outrunning explosions at the last second, and moving so fast he appeared to be standing still, and even fooled people whose were capable of moving at way over mach speed, and even their eyes could not keep up with his insnae speed.
Plus if goku were around several mach speeds when fighting vegeta on earth, then common sense and science would tell you that in training in 100x earth's gravity and building his abilities up to sufficient level(as goku did do), then he'd be 100 x faster, at least when he emerged.

Let's say goku was about mach 3 or 5(without using kaioken) when he fought vegeta, then after building his body to be completely efficient in 100x this gravity that makes him around mach 500. this is uber super fast,but this still nowhere near the speed of light.

So how the hell do you actually expect us to believe radditz is faster than light.
Then he should have dominated goku nappa vegeta frieza and everyone else up until the beginning of android saga cause goku doesn't have lightspeed travel until Instant transmission, and even then if radditz was FTL he would dominate goku and everyone else.

[Note goku's speed had nothing to do with him beating radditz, so don't even say the beginning speed doesn't make sense cause it does. Goku only beat radditz cause he snuck him from behind and grabbed his tail and piccolo blasted him. This doesn't prove radditz was FTL either, cause goku and piccolo weren't that fast and they were barely(but still were) keeping up with him. This means that there is no way in hell radditz could be FTL if two people who were not even faster than mach 5 were keeping up with him.]

So how the hell is radditz FTL again?!?
enquiring minds what to know, dude.

[korican04]

I haven't read all the posts so sorry for some repetition. This is against Radditz.

Season's 1-3 clark would die horribly. Season 4 he got a big upgrade when he turned to kal-el, survived re-entry and giant missles with out any damage and starting whooping ass. He still would probably loose. Season 5 he's invulnerability is extremely high he is increadibly fast. Prof. Fine was said to be near light speed and clark was keeping up with him in fights. Clark is still a punk who did want to use his powers and would probably loose do to inexperience. Season 6 clark is now almost light speed ran to venzuela in 1 sec from kansas and managed to beat a kryptonian prisoner labeled warrior with a shoryuken. Clark has started using some street fighter moves and his full strength while fighting, so he will not only be able to see radditz punches but know how to counter and fight back. Current episode Season 6 clark can take this.

[Birkin]

That running from Venezuela isn't as badass as when he ran from Finland to Smallville to save Ryan. I miss that boy. :(

[korican04]

That running from Venezuela isn't as badass as when he ran from Finland to Smallville to save Ryan. I miss that boy. :(

I totally forgot about that. That was like in season 2 or 3.

[Birkin]

I totally forgot about that. That was like in season 2 or 3.

Yep, season 2. You actually saw him run the whole time. Pure epic win.

[Vynjira]

that proves nothing.
Light does does not travel slower in dbz verse, who told you some crazy crap like that,man.Someone clearly missed the point...

[Keollyn]

Another tidbit that would make this an easy victory for Clark (if this is bloodlusted)... Clark's 1 million psi feat. With Clark's speed advantage and that grip, he could easily crush Raditz head.

[Dante]

Well, you're crearly understimating Saiyan's durability tough remember Goku was able to take bullts with absolutely no damage what's over in the first episode of Dragon Ball...I'm 100% sure Clark can damage Raditz but...at the same time he got beaten by Zod wich didn't show any noticeable skill in the levels of the DBZ verse, so I think that if Clark puts a win it'll be really hard

[Vynjira]

Well, you're crearly understimating Saiyan's durability tough remember Goku was able to take bullts with absolutely no damage what's over in the first episode of Dragon Ball...I'm 100% sure Clark can damage Raditz but...at the same time he got beaten by Zod wich didn't show any noticeable skill in the levels of the DBZ verse, so I think that if Clark puts a win it'll be really hard..Are you saying Zod wouldn't own Radditz??

[Havoc]

Ok, but Zod was stronger than Radditz...

[Vynjira]

Ok, but Zod was stronger than Radditz...What Havoc said!

[Dante]

Smallville Zod? You guys have to be kidding

[Havoc]

And you do know Zod was season 5 right?

[Dante]

6x01 was Zod, besides what did Zod do?

Charge agains Clark and beat him, Raditz can do that+uber Martial Art skills+Ki blasts+Flight...if Clark realizes his speed advantage in time he has a chance if not, well...

[Bullet]

But Clark does have a speed advantage, huge speed advantage, that it wouldn't matter if Raditz charge at him or not, he wouldn't be able to touch Clark.

[Vynjira]

6x01 was Zod, besides what did Zod do?

Charge agains Clark and beat him, Raditz can do that+uber Martial Art skills+Ki blasts+Flight...if Clark realizes his speed advantage in time he has a chance if not, well...Not a thing Radditz is gonna do to kill Clark before Clark knocks him flat out.

[Havoc]

Wtf, Season 6 was Zod:arg But it was 18 eps ago>_>

[Vynjira]

Clark won't be impressed by Radditz's speed. Nor his strength, nor his durability.

[Reznor]

Normally, I'd give a DB character the skill edge over Clark, but not by a huge margain here.

Raditz viewed "blocking" as his primary way to avoid an attack.... not block OR dodge, etc. Also, his techniques didn't concentrate his power much like Goku and Piccolo's did.

Thus, I think that combat skill will only give Raditz a slight edge.

Raditz has more ki than Roshi, but I'm going to assume that he can't destroy the moon, due to lack of ki control (his PL didn't spike during a technique like Earth's fighters did) However, I think that attacks as damaging as nuke (like King Picollo's attacks) probably should be assumed to be within his power.

Given that Clark's taken a beating from non-Kryptonian/people with kryptonite, like Cyborg, Aliens and a few meteor infecter people, I think that that kind of attack would be quite devastating to him.

Clark travels from A to B faster, so Raditz's reaction time is the deciding factor, I think.

[TWF]

Normally, I'd give a DB character the skill edge over Clark, but not by a huge margain here.

Raditz viewed "blocking" as his primary way to avoid an attack.... not block OR dodge, etc. Also, his techniques didn't concentrate his power much like Goku and Piccolo's did.

Thus, I think that combat skill will only give Raditz a slight edge.

Raditz has more ki than Roshi, but I'm going to assume that he can't destroy the moon, due to lack of ki control (his PL didn't spike during a technique like Earth's fighters did) However, I think that attacks as damaging as nuke (like King Picollo's attacks) probably should be assumed to be within his power.

Given that Clark's taken a beating from non-Kryptonian/people with kryptonite, like Cyborg, Aliens and a few meteor infecter people, I think that that kind of attack would be quite devastating to him.

Clark travels from A to B faster, so Raditz's reaction time is the deciding factor, I think.

You do realize he can create an artifical ball to stimulate the Moon and transform into his Great Ape form right? That same transformation that spikes his power level well over ten times right?

[master bruce]

radditz changing into great ape form will only mean clark will just have to hit him harder and would put radditz at a disadvantage cause it would make him wayyyyyyyy slower than he already is.

Clark could just run around him and punch the hell out of him the whole match til he fell.

And great apes can't fly so blowing up the planet isn't an option, plus radditz can't do that either cause he is weakling by busting standards and is only city busting level at best.


Clark won't ever get touched if radditz goes great ape.

In regular form radditz might get a good first hit in and can get in a few more,but after that clark turns the speed on and turns it up.

Shortly after radditz is beaten pulp.

Radditza has no real win here once clark goes supersonic.


CK destroys all.

[Havoc]

Even if Radditz could destroy the planet how is that winning? It's not like he could survive...

[Reznor]

Even if Radditz could destroy the planet how is that winning? It's not like he could survive... I didn't say he could, I said that I'm assuming that he CAN'T destroy the moon, even though Roshi could.

I assumed that he'd have powers greater than King Piccolo though.

You do realize he can create an artifical ball to stimulate the Moon and transform into his Great Ape form right? That same transformation that spikes his power level well over ten times right? I hadn't considered that, but the points I was making was about something else.

I don't think Ape form would help too much though.

[Havoc]

I didn't say he could, I said that I'm assuming that he CAN'T destroy the moon, even though Roshi could.

I assumed that he'd have powers greater than King Piccolo though.

I hadn't considered that, but the points I was making was about something else.

I don't think Ape form would help too much though.

That wasn't directed at you. I was just saying that to anyone saying he would win because he could destroy earth.

[Reznor]

Radditza has no real win here once clark goes supersonic.
I really think we underestimating both their speeds.

Lionel said that Milton Fine could travel relativistic speeds. Watching his fight with Clark, I don't think that his speed is as useful in combat as Clark's is, but I'd still put S6 Clark at low relativistic. S1 Clark is supersonic. Maybe 10x, but with uncoordinated reaction time, since he isn't used to things at that speed. Clark is obviously alot more powerful, since meteor freaks are a threat to Clark in S6.

People in Dragonball could move faster than the eye could see, and they made several speed jumps. I don't have numbers yet, but I'd still put Raditz at many hundred times the speed sound, maybe even approaching low relativistic.

I think that reflexes is the issue here. Clark's reaction time is less instinct, because he can do non-combat in "Clark time", like chores and preventing people from making a mess at a party. He gets tagged by people alot slower than him though. I assume that his combat reflexes might be a bit shoddy since most of time nothing is moving as fast as him.

I'm not sure if that would really help Raditz alot though, because of my previously mentioned points about his very unrefined combat style.

Basically, if Raditz is able to hit Clark with a ki attack, it'll be crippling to him and would be down hill from there for Clark. If Raditz CAN'T, then Clark can hit and run him and Raditz won't be able to do much.

[Havoc]

Hmm, I don't know Rez, I think Clark could take a couple ki blasts:kloff

[Reznor]

Hmm, I don't know Rez, I think Clark could take a couple ki blasts:kloff
I was using "ki attacks" as in attacks that have greater effect than nukes, like King Piccolo's attacks.

[Havoc]

Oh ok, yes then you would be right.

I doubt any of his stronger attacks would be able to hit Clark though. I haven't read the Radditz fight in a long time though, did he have to charge up a long time like everyone else?

[Vynjira]

You do realize he can create an artifical ball to stimulate the Moon and transform into his Great Ape form right?Vegeta can, nowhere was it suggested Radditz could or would be smart enough to do so. Furthermore, only Vegeta displayed control over their Ape Form. Nappa and Vegeta also no longer possessed a weakness in their tails a weakness Radditz still had.

So its more than safe to say Radditz would not transform during their fight.

[Reznor]

Oh ok, yes then you would be right.

I doubt any of his stronger attacks would be able to hit Clark though. I haven't read the Radditz fight in a long time though, did he have to charge up a long time like everyone else? Long time is a relative measure.

I think that it's showed at a slower speed to make the battle intelligible. Master Roshi in Dragonball got a Kamehameha off in such a short time that other people with fast reflexes couldn't tell what he did - and that was enough to bust the moon.

"Long charge up times" are fractions of seconds, just longer fractions of seconds that the faster attacks.


Being as people that fought King Piccolo could (barely) survive those city busters, I think that any attack that Raditz threw would be more powerful enough, or it won't be useful to him.

I'm thinking that Raditz is more durable and has the more damaging attack, but Clark is faster and is probably physical stronger.

I think before we can know the winner, we need:
Scans of Raditz fight, to know Raditz's arsenal.
Scans of stuff near the end of Dragonball non-Z, to get some comparisons.