At least 33 dead in campus shootings

[Dionysus]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech.shooting/index.html

(CNN) -- A lone gunman is dead after police said he killed at least 21 people Monday during twin shootings on the Virginia Tech campus -- the deadliest school attacks in U.S. history.

"Some victims were shot in a classroom," university police Chief Wendell Flinchum said during a news conference in Blacksburg.

Police believe there was only one gunman, Flinchum said. (Watch the police chief explain where bodies were found Video)

Spokespersons for hospitals in Roanoke, Christiansburg, Blacksburg and Salem told CNN that they were treating 29 people from the shootings.

Sharon Honaker with Carilion New River Medical Center in Christiansburg said one of the four gunshot victims being treated there was in critical condition.

"Today the university was struck with a tragedy that we consider of monumental proportions," said university President Charles Steger. "The university is shocked and indeed horrified." (Map of Blacksburg)

The killings mark the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history, surpassing attacks at Columbine High School in 1999 and at the University of Texas in 1966.

One person was killed and others were wounded at multiple locations inside a dormitory about 7:15 a.m., Flinchum said. Two hours later, another shooting at Norris Hall, the engineering science and mechanics building, resulted in multiple casualties, the university reported. (Campus map)

The first reported shooting occurred at West Ambler Johnston Hall, a four-story coed dormitory that houses 895 students. The dormitory, one of the largest residence halls on the 2,600-acre campus, is located near the drill field and stadium.

Amie Steele, editor-in-chief of the campus newspaper, said one of her reporters at the dormitory reported "mass chaos."

The reporter said there were "lots of students running around, going crazy, and the police officers were trying to settle everyone down and keep everything under control," according to Steele. (Watch police, ambulances hustle to the scene Video)

Kristyn Heiser said she was in class about 9:30 a.m. when she and her classmates saw about six gun-wielding police officers run by a window.

"We were like, 'What's going on?' Because this definitely is a quaint town where stuff doesn't really happen. It's pretty boring here," said Heiser during a phone interview as she sat on her classroom floor.
Student reports 'mayhem'

Student Matt Waldron said he did not hear the gunshots because he was listening to music, but he heard police sirens and saw officers hiding behind trees with their guns drawn.

"They told us to get out of there so we ran across the drill field as quick as we could," he said.

Waldron described the scene on campus as "mayhem." (Watch a student's recording of police responding to loud bangs Video)

"It was kind of scary," he said. "These two kids I guess had panicked and jumped out of the top-story window and the one kid broke his ankle and the other girl was not in good shape just lying on the ground."

Madison Van Duyne said she and her classmates in a media writing class were on "lockdown" in their classrooms. They were huddled in the middle of the classroom, writing stories about the shootings and posting them online.

The university is updating its more than 26,000 students through e-mails, and an Internet webcam is broadcasting live pictures of the campus.

The shootings came three days after a bomb threat Friday forced the cancellation of classes in three buildings, WDBJ in Roanoke reported. Also, the 100,000-square-foot Torgersen Hall was evacuated April 2 after police received a written bomb threat, The Roanoke Times reported.

Last August, the first day of classes was cut short by a manhunt after an escaped prisoner was accused of killing a security guard at a Blacksburg hospital and a sheriff's deputy.

After the Monday shootings, students were instructed to stay indoors and away from windows, police at the university said.

"Virginia Tech has canceled all classes. Those on campus are asked to remain where they are, lock their doors and stay away from windows. Persons off campus are asked not to come to campus," a statement on the university Web site said.

Before Monday, the deadliest school shootings came in 1966 and 1999.

In the former, Charles Joseph Whitman, a 25-year-old ex-Marine, killed 13 people on the University of Texas campus. He was killed by police.

In 1999, 17-year-old Dylan Klebold and 18-year-old Eric Harris -- armed with guns and pipe bombs -- killed 12 students and a teacher before killing themselves at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado.


31 now.

[Ejaculation Storm]

lol oh wow.

[Jessica]

I seriously want to cry. This is awful. :(

[The_X_box_360]

lol oh wow.That's not right, kid. This isn't a "laugh out loud" moment.....





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[Beo]

When did this happen? I can't seem to find it anywhere. Was it this morning?

[sel]

Holy shit: This is messed up...

[Ejaculation Storm]

That's not right, kid. This isn't a "laugh out loud" moment.....

Well, it's rather hard to give a shit when this happens every day in the US.

[duck]

Well at least they died having the right to buy guns! Lol!

[Byakuya]

geez this is pretty fucked up alright >.>

[Silver Reflection]

Thats just scary.

Do the police or press know why it happened?

[Ejaculation Storm]

Whether or not they do, it'll be blamed on Grand Theft Auto.

[The_X_box_360]

That's not right, kid. This isn't a "laugh out loud" moment.....Well, it's rather hard to give a shit when this happens every day in the US.I'm not asking you to.......... End of debate




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[Dionysus]

When did this happen? I can't seem to find it anywhere. Was it this morning?
It happened today. This morning. (It's all over the media... so it's hard not to find it.)

[Ejaculation Storm]

I'm not asking you to.......... End of debate

Okay then. So I stand by what I said before.

lol oh wow.

[duck]

22 dead now

[Marl]

Not even remotely funny.

Their lives were just getting started, and then some psychopath with a gun takes it all away from them. =(

[tayler]

Homegrown Terrorist? Shooter caught yet?

[Ejaculation Storm]

Not even remotely funny.

Their lives were just getting started, and then some psychopath with a gun takes it all away from them. =(

Welcome to Earth. Enjoy your stay.

[Beo]

It happened today. This morning. (It's all over the media... so it's hard not to find it.)

School computers, full of blocks, I have no idea where to look for updates.

[The_X_box_360]

Okay then. So I stand by what I said before.

lol oh wow. I'm a fucking idiot*Fixed*





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[Silver Reflection]

22 dead now

22 families who won't get to see a relative graduate college.Thats sad.

[Dionysus]

School computers, full of blocks, I have no idea where to look for updates.
Well, if you can mind the insensitive posts, there will likely be updates here.

[Moridin]

I can't really find the correct adjective to describe how tragic this is, given bbc coverage of events it sounds like police aren't ruling out there being more than one gunmen.

[Ejaculation Storm]

*Fixed*

I guess I am.

Cause the only thing I find depressing about this story is that the guy had a gun, wounded like 17 people and only killed one. How the hell is your aim so bad that you only wound 17 people? Do you aim for their toes or something?

[Beo]

Well, if you can mind the insensitive posts, there will likely be updates here.

Yeah, that's pretty much my plan.

[Nice Gai]

lol oh wow.

If I could I would slap you right now. I got friends that go there. I cant even contact them right now. I am only 2 hours away from there.

[Ejaculation Storm]

If I could I would slap you right now. I got friends that go there. I cant even contact them right now. I am only 2 hours away from there.

Slap? What are you, a woman? Well, either way, you can't. This is the interbutts.

[Silver Reflection]

CNN.com is reporting that a witness saw two students jump out of a window in the chaos.

[Close]

Hey, Rock, we'll all laugh when your dead.

[duck]

If I could I would slap you right now. I got friends that go there. I cant even contact them right now. I am only 2 hours away from there.
I;m sorry but it touches me as much as all the dead Iraquis, which are at least closer to me.

[Nice Gai]

Slap? What are you, a woman? Well, either way, you can't. This is the interbutts.

I guess The Rock knows best huh.

Anyone got any updates I know they havent released names yet of injured and dead students. I am just hoping none of my friends are on it.

[Toby]

Killing students? I must say that I did not believe that such killings sprees were as extensive as high school shoot-outs like those at Colombine where the students were more likely immature.

I suppose it was very stupid of me to expect maturity to follow with the age.

My regards for the affected.

[Beo]

Hey, Rock, we'll all laugh when your dead.

Totally:mad

[Link]

A pity.:( .

[The_X_box_360]

If I could I would slap you right now. I got friends that go there. I cant even contact them right now. I am only 2 hours away from there.Been trying to call my cousin for half an hour.....
Just got off the phone with my aunt, 2 seconds ago, and she tells me that Mike ran up all his minutes and could only call us back, collect(and I have collect phone calls on block, he called here to make sure we knew he was alright, my aunt hadn't even heard what had happened). She says that he was in a session with his jazz ensemble when this went down......



This is really sad...
http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/us/2007/04/16/sot.va.tech.shooting.barghouti.cnn


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[escamoh]

O__O .

[Ejaculation Storm]

Hey, Rock, we'll all laugh when your dead.

Please, by all means, go ahead.

Unlike you people, I don't get all emotional over what someone I've never met nor spoken to ever posts on the internet. Nor do I care what they think.

[Nice Gai]

Been trying to call my cousin for half an hour.....
Just got off the phone with my aunt, 2 seconds ago, and she tells me that Mike ran up all his minutes and could only call us back, collect(and I have collect phone calls on block, he called here to make sure we knew he was alright, my aunt hadn't even heard what had happened). She says that he was in a session with his jazz ensemble when this went down......



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I got 3 friends that stay on campus and I cant hit them up and my other friends cant hit them up either. I am glad to hear your cousin is all right. I hope my I get the same result. I got a feeling they fine but there is always a 50/50.

[Deputy Myself]

this is pretty fucked up

and I'm like wtf 21 dead couldn't somebody shoot the damn bastard before it went this far!?

[Ssj3_Goku]

Well, it's rather hard to give a shit when this happens every day in the US.

wtf? Your the type of person who watches the media and thinks everything that shown on the media + papers happens in every day US society life.

[MitsukiShiroi]

I heard about this. :/ It's truly a horrible thing >< My heart goes out to the victims and their families. </3

[CrazyMoronX]

Strange, a woman just called into the helpdesk and was talking about this. I didn't know what she was on about at the time, of course.

Crazy.

[Kunoichi no Kiri]

Slap? What are you, a woman? Well, either way, you can't. This is the interbutts.

No, it's just that you usually slap bitches.

[Nice Gai]

lol oh wow......funny isnt?
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/US/04/16/vtech.shooting/top.tech.ap.jpg

[ApuLunas]

this is so sad. just imagine you are sitting on your chair, some psycho breaks in and starts to shot. this is more than terrible :cry

[HOOfan_1]

The VPI campus was shut down a few months ago when an escaped convict went around and killed a few police officers.

[Ejaculation Storm]

No, it's just that you usually slap bitches.

I've even offended ssj and Blue?

Now I feel complete.

[The_X_box_360]

No, it's just that you usually slap bitches.Hence, the term, "bitch slap"

I have a feeling that this "Rock" kid needs to get away from his monitor, more.



This is really sad...
http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/us/2007/04/16/sot.va.tech.shooting.barghouti.cnn
The VPI campus was shut down a few months ago when an escaped convict went around and killed a few police officers.Yeah, my cousin was talking to me about that, a while ago.

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[Cell]

My cousin goes to Virginia Tech. She's alright, but, MAN! Jesus, the guy killed 23 people and injured 24. God.


And I'm fucking PISSED OFF that some lame ass dick suckers on Naruto Fan are making fun of innocent people who were brutally murdered. It's NOT funny, and I think you should stop posting in this thread if you're going to be complete douche bags.

[Ejaculation Storm]

Hence, the term, "bitch slap"

I have a feeling that this "Rock" kid needs to get away from his monitor, more.

First of all, I'm not a kid. Second of all, I'm still laughing at you people because you're still taking what I say seriously.

[500ml]

This is to be blamed on the capitalist society in the US. It usually are people who feel left out, neglected, or just are social losers (poor).

[Zodd]

What a tragedy. I've gotten word from someone else who has family at VTech that it was an engineering student. Apparently he shot someone in the dorm and then went postal at the engineering building. He killed himself from what I've heard.

High stress program and all.

PS: This is 3rd hand knowledge, so take it for what it's worth.

[Link]

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 26 (23 members and 3 guests)
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It seems that people are drawn to the scent of blood.

[Silver Reflection]

this is so sad. just imagine you are sitting on your chair, some psycho breaks in and starts to shot. this is more than terrible :cry

I don't think I want to.

This incident changed the lives of everyone on that campus.:(

[Gamabunta]

Well at least they died having the right to buy guns! Lol!

That so far is the best comment made on NF. Its a tragedy, but its the US' fault.

Who said further education isnt stressful?

[Ejaculation Storm]

What a tragedy. I've gotten word from someone else who has family at VTech that it was an engineering student. Apparently he shot someone in the dorm and then went postal at the engineering building. He killed himself from what I've heard.

High stress program and all.

To actually say something serious (omg oh noes!) for a sec, I'm actually really surprised it was an engineering student.

Anyways, back to being insensitive.

EDIT: I just looked at the members in the thread and saw, "Hi Im God". Oh shit, please don't send me to hell. :cry

[Kunoichi no Kiri]

I'm not really offended. I don't take things said seriously - not because I don't take the internet seriously, but because I don't take the human race seriously.

That said, one should know how to quit while you're just a little behind.

[Shishou]

This is interesting news. I bet you the kid who did it is either one of the following.

1. Long Greasy Hair Guy, not pretty like mine.
2. Red Headed
3. Weighs over 200 pounds

Take your pick.

This type of crap doesn't affect me anymore, it is just entertaining news to me now. You build up an immunity to this shit when you work in a place where you constantly input the crap going on around the US on a daily basis.

[PradaBrada]

This is to be blamed on the capitalist society in the US. It usually are people who feel left out, neglected, or just are social losers (poor).

I didn't expect to see you here

[Zodd]

In case you all are wondering, the death toll is 25 and climbing. Apparently there was some first aid, but this only delayed the internal bleeding and inevitable death of several victims. I feel somewhat lucky to be alive today and have the normal stresses of life rather than worrying about my child making it through the night.

I hope their deaths were swift and painless.

[HOOfan_1]

That so far is the best comment made on NF. Its a tragedy, but its the US' fault.

Who said further education isnt stressful?

and what about the Sarin gas attack in Japan where gun control is strict? Or the Madrid train bombings?

[Gamabunta]

and what about the Sarin gas attack in Japan where gun control is strict? Or the Madrid train bombings?

so your saying the guy who shotup the college was a terrorist? sounds to me like he was a student.

[Killa Cam]

This shit came is a big suprise. Blacksburg is generally a safe place. I mean I went down there for break to visit my friends and we'd never bother locking doors to cars or houses. Only positive here is all my people are safe.

[Ejaculation Storm]

I'm not really offended. I don't take things said seriously - not because I don't take the internet seriously, but because I don't take the human race seriously.

Heh. As you wish.

That said, one should know how to quit while you're just a little behind.

I consider myself greatly ahead, actually. However, I do get your drift. I'll take my leave of this thread and find lulz someplace else.

Good day, ladies and gentlemen.

[Toby]

Please, by all means, go ahead.

Unlike you people, I don't get all emotional over what someone I've never met nor spoken to ever posts on the internet. Nor do I care what they think.

I do not question your right to be yourself or to express this. But I take it that you are proud that your comments are providing the victims with further misery.

Please stop posting if that is the case. If not, then I suppose you really want their hateful reaction more than to respect the fact that this thread is about a tragedy. There is no euphoric reaction that would be normal even for an irrational human being that would explain your behaviour, unless of course the gunman feels it is quite the contrary, and that you are that man.

[HOOfan_1]

so your saying the guy who shotup the college was a terrorist? sounds to me like he was a student.

when you are killed it doesn't matter who you are killed by. People are killed by violence in every country in the world.

[500ml]

I didn't expect to see you here

Why not? I fight for justice.

[Squire of Fate]

32 now, one guy only, this is way worse than Columbine.

[TWF]

My best friend's older brother is a frat leader and attends Virginia Tech as a Junior. Shit! This sucks. What was the point of shooting up a campus?

[Trollzilla]

Why not? I fight for justice.

You're not alone

[PradaBrada]

Why not? I fight for justice.

lol
you conspire to neg people and ask to learning hacking to stalk someone

[Gamabunta]

when you are killed it doesn't matter who you are killed by. People are killed by violence in every country in the world.

No, but you seem to have missed the point that this is the US' doings. When kids get vexed here than cant just go out and buy a gun from their local kmart. Think before you type.

[Kimi Sama]

This is pretty fucked up right here.

Shouldn't be too surprised really, it was only a matter of time before another student popped his cogs and went crazy with a rifle. Still pretty shocking to see it happen though, especialy with the footage and all.

Any word on if the shooter snapped from pressure or was a social outcast like the Columbine cunts? Our news over is being kinda slow, especialy with other news in the way.

And The Rock, stop posting. Doesn't matter if you aren't being serious, you're being an ass and no ones laughing.

[Zodd]

My best friend's older brother is a frat leader and attends Virginia Tech as a Junior. Shit! This sucks. What was the point of shooting up a campus?

I wouldn't worry too much. There are probably tens of thousands of students at VT. The campus is probably so big most didn't hear or know about the shooting until the evacuation orders.

Also, you guys apparently hate the trolls yet feed them.

[Zhongda]

*gasp* 20 americans died?

CALL GOD!!

[Trollzilla]

when you are killed it doesn't matter who you are killed by. People are killed by violence in every country in the world.

Today i watched a movie in my english lessons..

Death by Guns in Europe countries the year
~ 60-80

in Japan and Austria

~ 20-40

in the U.S.A

~11.000


no comment...

[500ml]

lol
you conspire to neg people and ask to learning hacking to stalk someone

You cannot fight for justce all alone. We all need nakamas. Calling my fight for justice for "conspiracies" is rude.

I don't want to hack here email to stalk, but because I need to know something. As soon as I get to know that thing I will leave her email for good.

[HOOfan_1]

It is sad how few people respect human life on this board...that is what is truly sad in this world...not just the US....that is why things like this happen, human apathy toward their fellow humans.

[TWF]

I wouldn't worry too much. There are probably tens of thousands of students at VT. The campus is probably so big most didn't hear or know about the shooting until the evacuation orders.

Also, you guys apparently hate the trolls yet feed them.

What are you talking about?

[The_X_box_360]

Also, you guys apparently hate the trolls yet feed them.
QFT










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[500ml]

As I earlier said. This is all because of the capitalist system in America creating social losers. The reason things like this rarely happen in Europe is because we go good welfare systems, and protect human beings, rather than the big companies.

[Gamabunta]

It is sad how few people respect human life on this board...that is what is truly sad in this world...not just the US....that is why things like this happen, human apathy toward their fellow humans.

“The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.”

[Megaharrison]

Please don't pay attention to the fuckwad in this thread. Anyway,

Death toll is 32 now with another 21 in the hospital. I'm wondering how anyone could do this with just a handgun as the reports say. Ah well, hopefully the police were the ones that killed him. Obviously this entire situation is just messed up beyond belief.

[Beo]

Would someone post a more recent news link?

[Zodd]

What are you talking about?

Not necessarily directed at you. I'm just saying that if someone sees a guy posting comments they find insensitive after a tragedy, he is probably trolling for attention. If you want it to stop, don't reply.

[theredfox12]

the country always has problems . when are THEY GOING to ban guns it seems like the governments don't give a crap about the us but only terrorist i.e killing muslims

[PradaBrada]

As I earlier said. This is all because of the capitalist system in America creating social losers. The reason things like this rarely happen in Europe is because we go good welfare systems, and protect human beings, rather than the big companies.

Europe has capitalistic countries too, though they are usually more socialistic.
In Germany they even have the right to bare arms

[Toad Hermit]

Poor people but damn... he killed that much with only a handgun....

[Ryo_nyanko]

Was the killer doing it for pleasure or revenge or something else?

things like this can make me question that.

[Amaretti]

This is just sad.

What a price to pay for right to 'bear arms'.

[Gamabunta]

This is just sad.

What a price to pay for right to 'bear arms'.

indeed. makes me glad im living in UK.

[The_X_box_360]

Not necessarily directed at you. I'm just saying that if someone sees a guy posting comments they find insensitive after a tragedy, he is probably trolling for attention. If you want it to stop, don't reply.
QFTruth




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[Trollzilla]

Europe has capitalistic countries too, though they are usually more socialistic.
In Germany they even have the right to bare arms

Prada i like you , but nothing against Germany okay?

[Kira Yamato]

At the moment MSNBC has at least 22 confirmed dead.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18134671/


Watching headline news live and the number is at 22.

@Megaharrison: Where did 32 come from :S

[Nemesis]

32 is from more updated news which seems to be comming out now. But this is really messed up what would cause someone to snap and do this =/

[theredfox12]

the current motive is that he was searching for his girlfriend and her new boyfriend and he lined them up and shot them all

[PradaBrada]

Prada i like you , but nothing against Germany okay?

I didn't post anything against Germany, I was just stating the facts

@Megaharrison: Where did 32 come from :S

seconded

[Kira Yamato]

32 is from more updated news which seems to be comming out now. But this is really messed up what would cause someone to snap and do this =/

What's more updated than live coverage from CNN and Headline News?

Source please.

[Shishou]

*gasp*

It was an asian. Apparently in an ENGINEERING building/section? Not surprising.

It was probably the asian parents that drove him to it.

[neko-sennin]

It never gets any easier to see.

I just hope they catch the bastards(s?), and won't be allowed to die at their own convenience after committing mass-murder.

[500ml]

What's more updated than live coverage from CNN and Headline News?

Source please.

Talking about CNN. Why do they interview people who can't speak Enligsh? The guy's English is terrible, and heavy accented.

[Taxman]

Fox News is reporting it's 32...that's where it probably came from.

[Zodd]

President Bush was described Monday as shocked and saddened by the mass shooting at Virginia Tech, the deadliest incident of campus violence ever in this country.

"He was horrified and his immediate reaction was one of deep concern for the families of the victims, the victims themselves, the students, the professors and all the people of Virginia who have dealt with this shocking incident" White House deputy press secretary Dana Perino said. "His thoughts and prayers are with them."

"The president believes that there is a right for people to bear arms, but that all laws must be followed," Perino said, noting that Bush and Education Secretary Margaret Spellings held a conference on school gun violence last October. "Certainly, bringing a gun into a school domitory and shooting ... is against the law and something someone should be held accountable for," Perino said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070416/bush-virginia-tech

I don't want this to turn into a political debate but... couldn't Bush have waited just a few days before turning this political? The corpses are still warm and he's spouting 2nd Amendment rhetoric.

What's more updated than live coverage from CNN and Headline News?

Source please.

I know it seems counter-intuitive, but I find the internet is usually faster than TV news.

BTW @ everyone, my info source says he killed himself.

[Squire of Fate]

@Megaharrison: Where did 32 come from :S

It's on Fox News, but I don't know if I should trust them.

[Kira Yamato]

Ah..now CNN is now reporting 29 deaths. Looks like the numbers will keep fluctuating, as victims who were classified as wounded fail to make it. =/

[drunk kitsune]

If anyone viewing this thread knows people at VT, the class where most of deaths/injuries were was a civil engineering course. So, if the people you know aren't engineers, it's very likely that they're fine.

I'm not even going to bother commenting on the people on here who've shown no respect or made this political within hours of it happening.

[The_X_box_360]

Fox News is reporting it's 32...that's where it probably came from.QFTruthiness


I feel bad for FOX fan boys/girls, they rarely get quality news...





EDIT: It seems that the local affiliate reported 32 people dead, without clear confirmation, yet. Some national networks(all the non-FOX ones) rather wait for official confirmation, it seems.
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[Toad Hermit]

Talking about CNN. Why do they interview people who can't speak Enligsh? The guy's English is terrible, and heavy accented.

It seemed middle-eastern

[LayZ]

The world gets more and more depressing each and every day.

[Sogeking]

the fact that this was worse than columbine... jeez.

I mean, really.

and the police chief says that at least 31 are dead, with at least 20 more wounded last time I checked.

[The Space Cowboy]

On the political angle, we have no right to commit murder. It doesn't prevent it.

But this is tragic.

[Renzokuken_Ayee]

Well, this makes me sad.

I remember back in 8th grade, I used to joke with my friends about Columbine. Our fellow classmates nicknamed us the "Columbiners". It's sad that back then I probably didn't have much feeling towards anyone other than myslef.

Now, this kind of stuff hits really deep. How anyone could kill random people is beyond me. So many lives destroyed by this one event.

I foresee more gun control issues arising from this...and perhaps, the US really could use some stricter gun laws. Guns are a lot more powerful and inflict more fear than most other weapons. I used to think, well a knife has just as much potential in killing, but a gun prevents almost any action against the bearer due to fear. Besides more control, there certainly needs to be more education about guns.

I haven't read the full thread, but I do wonder if this attack was premeditated or out of rage. I guess we'll find out.

This really is a sad day. Looks like he was a few days short of the Columbine anniversary, I wonder if this is what he planned? Or perhaps coincidence...

[Hi Im God]

EDIT: I just looked at the members in the thread and saw, "Hi Im God". Oh shit, please don't send me to hell. :cry

Too late, i'll meet you there.

[Toby]

This is just sad.

What a price to pay for right to 'bear arms'.

I would join the march if it were not for the biased congregation of people who connote the said right with freedom of speech. And their horrid rep-power.

Oh to hell with it.

This is a result of a right to bear arms.

[theredfox12]

*gasp*

It was an asian. Apparently in an ENGINEERING building/section? Not surprising.

It was probably the asian parents that drove him to it.


i feel fucking angry by that comment my parents are Asian you racist fucker if American stayed out of east business and banned fire arms this would not happen

[Goodfellow]

Oh gosh, how can they fail to stop them so bad?

[kojak488]

I go to Virginia Tech. This shit is fucking insane! Two times in one fucking year..

[theredfox12]

I go to Virginia Tech. This shit is fucking insane! Two times in one fucking year..

is it a low ranked uni in the polls ?

[kojak488]

We have the most full-time students in the state so no we aren't too small. Played for the National Championship in football back in '99 if memory recalls the year correctly.

[Edit] So about 25,000 students last I remember hearing in the year.

[Aokiji]

Europe has capitalistic countries too, though they are usually more socialistic.
In Germany they even have the right to bare arms

O RLY?.........

[kojak488]

They're starting to move bodies out and we got a count of 34 now.

[Voynich]

That's bullshit. Carrying arms in Germany is illegal without permit and even then you have no right to be carrying it outside hunting areas. Unless you consider unreasonably large mugs of beer and bratwurst arms.


More ontopic:

This sucks. But I seem to be getting somewhat unsensitive towards these kinds of things. No one deserves to be shot down like cattle, but I have the idea you're almost asking for incidents like this with all that idiotic freedom to tote guns around.

[Lady Azura]

That's terrible.

My condolences go out to the families of the victims.:(

[Aokiji]

You can carry them if you have a special pemission. Outside of hunting areas. but buying a gun and registering it ain't enough. They check you, whether you're mentally stable.

[Voynich]

You can carry them if you have a special pemission. Outside of hunting areas. but buying a gun and registering it ain't enough. They check you, whether you're mentally stable.

Same as here kinda. It's not something like buying a pack of cigarettes. And they are not easy on handing out the special permits. But I'm pretty sure you will still get arrested or at least questioned if you carry around a gun in places you really don't need it. Despite the permit.

[Tuga-kun]

yay for free america!

[kojak488]

Rumors among the students is that the guy shot his girlfriend in the morning before getting information on where her new beau was going to be before going there for his class. That's why he did both room 205 and 206, but remember it's a rumor going through campus not confirmed.

[kojak488]

What I find ironic is that a few weeks ago, in the public schools (middle, high, etc.), there was an incident that was stopped. A kid had brought a gun into the school intending to shoot the principle and another student, but one of his friends ratted him out before he could do anything.

I hope you all realize that this can happen anywhere! Three times--twice today--within a month is just wow.

[Cyckness]

Just read about this...

Really sucks.

[Alucard]

Rumors among the students is that the guy shot his girlfriend in the morning before getting information on where her new beau was going to be before going there for his class. That's why he did both room 205 and 206, but remember it's a rumor going through campus not confirmed.

where did you hear that..?

[Robotkiller]

Shit happens :/

Memento mori.

[Squire of Fate]

*Sigh* Jack Thompson's on Fox News right now with his bullshit.

[DeepThought]

You know, If everybody had a gun (like the constitution suggests)

The deathcount would be much lower.

...

just sayin'

(/right-wing spin)

[Kribaby]

The most frustrating part is that I still haven't heard from any friends there, although I understand that they've got plenty going on right now, and I'll work on being optimistic and patient.

As for our right to bear arms, a Constitutional amendment to remove that right would need to be ratified in three fourths of our states. I can assure you, it's not going to happen.

You know, If everybody had a gun (like the constitution suggests)

The deathcount would be much lower.

...

just sayin'

(/right-wing spin)
The Second Amendment was intended to protect us from the British. The entire premise of it is completely outdated.

That's just my opinion, as yours is yours.

Left-wing spin ~

[Red]

Now It's 31. the same number of people viewing this thread.

http://i13.tinypic.com/2luswwk.gif

Welcome to Earth. Enjoy your stay.

Trying to look tough doesn't make you look cool.

[Dionysus]

Yeah, it's rather poor journalism to bring in a wanker like Jack Thompson in on this. Especially when there's no clear idea what when on!

[Aokiji]

They have the right for bearing arms not the duty.

[Orochimaru]

What a tragedy. My condolences to all their families and friends. :(

[blackdragon2187]

I was thinking "what are you guys talking about?"

But i see it on yahoo news.

Where i am they are mostly reported on the north-eastern that hit my area (and flooded my basement. <_<)

It scares me how pathetic some people can be. Instead of killing innocent lives just kill yourself and get it over and done with.

From the article is said: Some students bitterly questioned why the gunman was able to strike a second time, two hours after the bloodshed began.

So he killed some people; stopped; then just went on killing some more?

This is seriously a tragedy. :(

[uncle jafuncle]

Fuck.

It's bat-shit crazy bastards like this guy that are going to get my right to go out in the desert and have a good time shooting old computer parts taken away.

Cars killed 1000's more every year but no one would ever ban them, yet some dumbfuck shoots up his school and a million soccer moms across America are going to bitch until they take my WWII M1 Garand that I keep as a historical relic and my 92F Beretta that I shoot for fun away.

...meanwhile crazy fucks like this guy are still going to be purchasing unregistered assault rifles and killing dozens more.

[Red]

Guns dont kill people, they just make it easier.

[Robotkiller]

*Sigh* Jack Thompson's on Fox News right now with his bullshit.

Shit, more video is evil Propaganda, eh?

[Alucard]

The most frustrating part is that I still haven't heard from any friends there, although I understand that they've got plenty going on right now, and I'll work on being optimistic and patient.

As for our right to bear arms, a Constitutional amendment to remove that right would need to be ratified in three fourths of our states. I can assure you, it's not going to happen.

...i think that was the most stupidest thing that Bush has ever said...i mean who the hell talks about the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS this soon....it sounded like he was already telling lawmakers no to more gun restrictions.

[kojak488]

where did you hear that..?

I go to Virginia Tech. People from Norris have told us it started in 205 and 206 so that's how I know that bit. Remember, what you quoted about the two incidents being connected is only a rumor right now.

[Robotkiller]

The murderers myspace: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=119165

[~Kaio-Cam~]

Well, it's rather hard to give a shit when this happens every day in the US.

that isn't true. and that's not a LOL moment u lil prick. If you were in that school, try and lol. There's nothing funny about people getting killed because someone just felt like killing. Your statement was exaggerate, a big ugly overstatement. :notrust

[Art is a Bang!]

This is terrible, absolutely tragic. The U.S needs stricter gun laws, there have been too may shootings. :(

I heard about it on MSN, not sure how accurate the information is: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18134671/?GT1=9246

[Alucard]

I go to Virginia Tech. People from Norris have told us it started in 205 and 206 so that's how I know that bit. Remember, what you quoted about the two incidents being connected is only a rumor right now.

..wow...i am still kind of puzzled about the 2 hour gap....but i cant imagine if that rumor might be true....shit....what got me thinking is the part of the bomb threats they were saying that happened last week at Virgina Tech....because apparently there were bomb threats at my sister's high school last week...hell they didn't let anyone go to school with backpacks today....i hope this shit doesn't happen in my town too...

[Mukuro Rokudo]

Heard about this from a friend in class... Just shocked the hellva out of everyone... Can't imagine how the victims' families will find out about what happened. This is a sad day...:(

[Kribaby]

...meanwhile crazy fucks like this guy are still going to be purchasing unregistered assault rifles and killing dozens more.That is the point that most people miss. The majority of guns in circulation here are unregistered and illegal. Certainly having it legal to carry a registered weapon as a licensed individual doesn't make it any easier to determine quickly who can and who cannot have their weapons, but even if it were not legal to carry a weapon, people would get them anyway. The only difference is that even the people with no negative intentions would have to go 'underground' to do so.

Also, from what I understand, the school may have released an email after the initial shooting, before classes began, for students to be cautious, rather than cancelling classes. Cancelling classes may have saved in excess of 20 people's lives.

That wouldn't be too unlikely, though. We've had issues here at Georgia Tech and emails are usually how they deal with warning us, the students, about any possible danger.

[~Kaio-Cam~]

Fox News is reporting it's 32...that's where it probably came from.

32 Victims including the gunman... 22 Officially dead.

[Alucard]

32 Victims including the gunman... 22 Officially dead.

everyone is reporting 31 dead.

[Nisukeita]

The murderers myspace: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=119165

seriously?

wow...thats honestly not who I was expecting at all......

[Orochimaru]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people! So enough with this people are not supposed to own and/or bear arms bullshit.

[Alucard]

i highly doubt it...altough...one student who was on msnbc...said the guy was ...asian....in the early 20's

[Renzokuken_Ayee]

seriously?

wow...thats honestly not who I was expecting at all......

I don't think his name has been released, plus there is not hate comments on it yet. Best to assume it is not his until we get some confirmation.

[FrostXian]

How can you miss so much?

[The Thieving Queen]

The death number keeps rising. :(

Wouldn't be surprised if the gunman just kind of cracked about something, he might of had a mental condition, either that or he's was some very strong drugs.

[Giovanni Rild]

I wish the best for the families of the slain. This is real sad.

[Amaretti]

The murderers myspace: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=119165

Myspace, huh? Well that explains the whole homicidal maniac thing.

[//KirA.~]

I think I may know the shooter.

I'm searching for his myspace now.

[DeepThought]

Myspace, huh? Well that explains the whole homicidal maniac thing.

Is Imus on his friends list?

[Lullebulle]

Guns dont kill people, they just make it easier.

Do you think he could have killed this many people with sticks and stones? I really doubt it.

[BlackSmoke]

kidz today..........

[//KirA.~]

Heres his myspace

http://www.myspace.com/joospace

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070416/capt.3c0e3bef2a664f3fb3db46504e3340e1.virginia_tec h_shooting_varoa104.jpg?x=380&y=190&sig=z0P92k.nMV2o_4tEP5DW.A--

[Dr.Majestic]

i just saw a brief news clip of them arresting a japanese or chinese man, does anyone reckon the pressure of being a mangaka has finally got to kishimoto and he just flipped out in america?

still tho, wtf posseses people to even consider doing stuff like this? i assume its another poor sod beaten down by society to the point where he feels the only way he can confirm his existence is by staining his name on the pages of history

they will prolly blame slayer, or maybe this time its fall out boys fault.

[Renzokuken_Ayee]

Do you think he could have killed this many people with sticks and stones? I really doubt it.

Well ,he meant (or was jokingly saying) that guns have a higher ability to kill.
Many things have the potential to kill, but guns make killing a lot easier than as you suggested, sticks and stones.
That doesn't mean the gun itself is responsible for the deaths, just as a stick or a stone isn't responsible for death if they are used to kill someone.

It was the person wielding the gun who bears responsibility, just as the person weirld the stick/stones who kills that is responsible. Just guns allow someone to kill at lot more people and inflict a lot more fear.

[DeepThought]

Well ,he meant (or was jokingly saying) that guns have a higher ability to kill.
Many things have the potential to kill, but guns make killing a lot easier than as you suggested, sticks and stones.
That doesn't mean the gun itself is responsible for the deaths, just as a stick or a stone isn't responsible for death if they are used to kill someone.

It was the person wielding the gun who bears responsibility, just as the person weirld the stick/stones who kills that is responsible. Just guns allow someone to kill at lot more people and inflict a lot more fear.

*sigh*

Jokes just aren't funny when you have to explain them...

[Dr.Majestic]

his myspace says.....bullet time...and then some..........jesus.he wasnt lying.

[Verdius]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people! So enough with this people are not supposed to own and/or bear arms bullshit.


Right because if he didn't have a gun I imagined he could've JUST AS EASILY beaten them all to death with his bare hands in the same amount of time.

[Taleran]

as much as this is sad, stupid, and downright blockheaded which it is.


I can only imagine the backlash from Gun Control nuts in the following weeks.....*sigh*

[Renzokuken_Ayee]

;7945613']Heres his myspace

http://www.myspace.com/joospace

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070416/capt.3c0e3bef2a664f3fb3db46504e3340e1.virginia_tec h_shooting_varoa104.jpg?x=380&y=190&sig=z0P92k.nMV2o_4tEP5DW.A--

Wait, I thought the killer was dead?

You're picture looks like the guy is restrained.

I need proof.

Edit* Look at the comment! "Adam, tell me why you look like the VA shooter?" O_O

[~Kaio-Cam~]

;7945613']Heres his myspace

http://www.myspace.com/joospace

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070416/capt.3c0e3bef2a664f3fb3db46504e3340e1.virginia_tec h_shooting_varoa104.jpg?x=380&y=190&sig=z0P92k.nMV2o_4tEP5DW.A--

are u sure...they're saying they are not sure if the shooter took his life or if police shot him. No names were released either.

[//KirA.~]

I'm not sure.

While i was looking at yahoo story i saw the picture.. immediately i thought "Oh shit, its ADAM!"

Wait, I thought the killer was dead?

You're picture looks like the guy is restrained.

I need proof.

Edit* Look at the comment! "Adam, tell me why you look like the VA shooter?" O_O

That was my comment.

[Nisukeita]

News is saying the shooter is dead.....thats not the killer

[//KirA.~]

News is saying the shooter is dead.....thats not the killer

Well, he may not be, but then why was he cuffed?

Was he an aid to the killer?

[The Thieving Queen]

Wait, I thought the killer was dead?

You're picture looks like the guy is restrained.

I need proof.

Edit* Look at the comment! "Adam, tell me why you look like the VA shooter?" O_O
Just about to ask that, but seems Suigetsu answered while I was typing.

Wasn't this a double shooting?

[Aecen]

;7945816']Well, he may not be, but then why was he cuffed?

Was he an aid to the killer?

They first grabbed the wrong person.

[//KirA.~]

They first grabbed the wrong person.

AwwwH Damn. They got Adam..

:lmao

Ok, back to serious business.
The security at VT sux. If there was one killer and a 2 hr gap between the shootings, someone needs to get fired.

[~Kaio-Cam~]

;7945816']Well, he may not be, but then why was he cuffed?

Was he an aid to the killer?

there's a few reasons why cops will cuff someone in a situation like this. I'm guessing he was one of the first to run out of the building during the shootings. If I were a law enforcer, I would stop anyone from running out of the building since they may be a suspect.

[Virtua_Fighter]

;7945816']Well, he may not be, but then why was he cuffed?

Was he an aid to the killer?

No, i saw on teh news this mourning that the person in the picture is not an accomplice, just a reporter who came too close to the scene of teh crime, and so police had to cuff him. But yeah, the killer is allegedly an asian american male. Being an Asian American myself, I feel so ashamed and dissappointed that this happened.

[Aecen]

Two hours is extremely long, however this guy didnt use the classic rifle, he had two pistols, so if he wanted to he could easily slip in with the crowd and no one would even notice.

[//KirA.~]

No, i saw on teh news this mourning that the person in the picture is not an accomplice, just a reporter who came too close to the scene of teh crime, and so police had to cuff him. But yeah, the killer is allegedly an asian american male. Being an Asian American myself, I feel so ashamed and dissappointed that this happened.

Oh i see.

Yea, I have to endure this at school tommorow... Mrs. Weaver is gonna play the hell outta me tommorow in Busn. Mgmt..

:oh

[Orochimaru]

Right because if he didn't have a gun I imagined he could've JUST AS EASILY beaten them all to death with his bare hands in the same amount of time.

No, but if he didn't have access to a gun, he probably would've improvised an explosive device of some sort that would've killed at least twice as much kids, not to mention the collateral damage. My point is that the perpetrator is the one responsible for the deaths of those students not the 9mm firearm that he used.

[Renzokuken_Ayee]

Ah, Sui, did you delete you comment? Ah, I was getting screenshot of his myspace so I could have material for an research paper. If you get anymore info, keep me informed.

[Dionysus]

No, but if he didn't have access to a gun, he probably would've improvised an explosive device of some sort that would've killed at least twice as much kids, not to mention the collateral damage. My point is that the perpetrator is the one responsible for the deaths of those students not the 9mm firearm that he used.
OK, I certainly don't agree with that. Bomb making takes skill and effort. What is most likely would be a knife. Certainly that seems to be the case in the UK, where citizens are not allowed to own handguns. There aren't any student bombings, but there are stabbings. (There are Al Quaeda bombings though! That's a different issue though.)

[Verdius]

Right, bombings usually take much more motive and ambition than a sudden draw of a knife/gun. Honestly if bombings were that much of a problem I'd imagine england/japan would be a crater by now.

[Renzokuken_Ayee]

OK, I certainly don't agree with that. Bomb making takes skill and effort. What is most likely would be a knife. Certainly that seems to be the case in the UK, where citizens are not allowed to own handguns. There aren't any student bombings, but there are stabbings. (There is Al Quaeda bombings though! That's a different issue though.)

I disagree, if these are premeditated, explosives can happen.
Didn't Columbine involve some explosives? Either found or went off.
The materials aren't too hard to obtain. If you really want to, then you can make an explosive.

[Denji]

How mortifying. I'm practically floored. I'm totally at a loss for words.

[Orochimaru]

I disagree, if these are premeditated, explosives can happen.
Didn't Columbine involve some explosives? Either found or went off.
The materials aren't too hard to obtain. If you really want to, then you can make an explosive.

Thanks, you beat me to it. Trying to explain that to some of the people here is like banging my fucking head against a brick wall.

[Jaggerjack]

Even worse than Columbine. Damn, I remember hearing about this in class today.

what's the world coming too...

[Bro Tai Jr.]

I am tempted to beat that record now...

[Dionysus]

I disagree, if these are premeditated, explosives can happen.
Didn't Columbine involve some explosives? Either found or went off.
The materials aren't too hard to obtain. If you really want to, then you can make an explosive.
The bombs didn't kill anyone! :nuts The guns did! It's hard to make working explosives! I believe they were all defective.

I will stand by my comment that most people who want to kill will just settle for knives (or blunt objects) if guns are unavailable.

[Renzokuken_Ayee]

With instructions from the Internet, they also built 99 improvised explosive devices of various designs and sizes.

Harris and Klebold had set up a small fire bomb in a field half a mile away from the school. The bomb was set to explode at 11:14 a.m., and is thought to have been placed there as a diversion for emergency personnel. The bomb did partially detonate, and caused a small fire that was extinguished by the fire department.
At Columbine, the pair met near Harris' car and armed two 20 pound (9 kg) propane bombs before entering the cafeteria a few minutes before the "A" lunch shift began, placing the duffel bags carrying the bombs inside; each bomb was set to explode at approximately 11:17 a.m. At the moment they entered the cafeteria, a custodian removed the security camera video tape, rewound it, and placed a new tape in the slot, so the act of placing the bombs was not recorded. However, once the new tape was started the bags could be seen clearly. The bombs had enough explosive power to destroy the entire cafeteria and bring the library above crashing down. Each shooter then returned to his car to wait until the bombs exploded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre#Firearms

[Verdius]

Thanks, you beat me to it. Trying to explain that to some of the people here is like banging my fucking head against a brick wall.

Yes you're so completely right, there have been so many attempted bombings this year like that little kid bringing in a high powered gun to school. Wait that's a gun not a bomb silly me.

Really you're fucking stupid and sick if you think we should keep guns so people can kill eachother with guns instead of bombs. Honestly who's there to stop people from doing both? At least it's on option they can't use. Show me any news about how there are bombing sprees in schools in other countries that ban the use of guns and I'll kiss your ass otherwise keep banging your head into a wall and don't stop until your brain falls out.

[Ninja Chuchan]

I saw it on the local news. Oh man so awful, i think im gonna cry

[Robotkiller]

The point is that if someone really wants to kill another individual and they don't have access to a gun then they're most likely going to find another way to do it.

[Renzokuken_Ayee]

I hadn't read your posts before, I was just showing how explosives are an easy and affective way to kill, showing you how they were attempted to be used at Columbine.

What the US should do regarding guns? I have no comment.

[Ucal]

This is pretty awful. My world history teacher told me about it but I couldn't tell if he was just making it up. Looking back, maybe I was just hoping he was.

[The Thieving Queen]

Sky news is stating that 33 people including the gunman are now dead and that some of the doors were chained shut from the inside.

[Purgatory]

As if Columbine wasn't enough..

[kojak488]

It's confirmed, as I said earlier, that 34 people are dead. There were 31 people who died in the Norris Hall shooting, 2 in the A-J dorm shooting, and the gunment for a total of 34.

[Kuchiki_Rukia]

This is horrible. Absolutely horrible. Security really needs to get better these days. If I wanted to, I could just bring a gun to my school and kill multiple people. I've been to places where, if that detector thing to make sure you don't have a gun goes off, they don't even check.

[sel]

There shouldnt even need to be a detector man. Shit like this just shouldnt happen

[Saosin]

Whether or not they do, it'll be blamed on Grand Theft Auto.

And Marilyn Manson.

[Kraze]

I, for one, am not at a loss of words. I have no much anger in me and could write a book where every word is a profanity. It makes me so sad and angry every time I hear something like this. No matter where it takes place in the world. This shit is fucked up. Simple.

I was listening to a father speak about this tragedy, who lost his child in the Columbine shooting, and he was nothing but right. So much could have been done to prevent this. For fuck sakes, this campus just had a shooting 8 months ago!? And yet, this happens. WTF!?

And yet, here I am, yet again wishing I never turned on my Tv. Theres nothing I can do to help or have helped to prevent this. I am helpless. I pray for the victim's family's. My heart goes out to all of them.

And as much as I wanted to skull-fuck that dipshit on page one, he was right. This is just another tragedy. Most of you, I included, will have moved on in the next coming days and will most likely forget this, until another tragedy reminds us. The friends and familys will never forget though, never.

This world is fucked

[Ennoea]

I'l tell you whats fucked up, its the gun licensing laws. I cant believe the gun laws in the USA still haven't been changed, its probably due to some redneck in the senate refusing to change the law. Guns should be banned, just like here in the UK. I feel so sad for the families, does anyone know why this guy did it?

[Verdius]

The point is that if someone really wants to kill another individual and they don't have access to a gun then they're most likely going to find another way to do it.

And that other way is typically something right in sight, usually some sort of blunt object or knife.

*EDIT* You don't typically hear about someone cracking then taking the time to make a bomb or elaborate plan do you?

[Ennoea]

"The point is that if someone really wants to kill another individual and they don't have access to a gun then they're most likely going to find another way to do it."

Would he really have been capable of killing 30 other people then? Guns should be banned. Nuff said.

[ironblade_x1]

one person... doing all this
it's absolutely terrible...
im at a loss for words... to see things like this happen again...

[Virtua_Fighter]

Part of the blame should be on teh school. I mean, they made a poor choice to not alert the student about the first shooting that kill one person at 7 am, instead they announced via email hours later when all the students are in class. Shame on whoever made that decision!!!

[Red]

Right because if he didn't have a gun I imagined he could've JUST AS EASILY beaten them all to death with his bare hands in the same amount of time.
If he wanted to kill someone even without a gun, he would have. Hey people lets ban everything that causes death. From baby food bottles to tooth picks

[Renzokuken_Ayee]

And that other way is typically something right in sight, usually some sort of blunt object or knife.

Yes, but what we are dealing with here is seemingly different. He killed 34 people. Was it his intent to kill only a couple specific people or just to kill people? As with Columbine, their targets were anyone they could get. You don't use only knives if you have access to explosives. I think this all comes down to if it was premeditated. I really don't want to get into a gun debate, I'm just saying for those planning to kill a large amount of people, they might consider explosives. Most people who plan on killing someone with a gun only target one person and do it when not many witnesses around. My only thoughts is if this was out of rage and he needed to kill witnesses. I just need more background on the guy.

[Tokoyami]

IT'S TEH VIDEO GAMEZ FAULTS!!!111

Theres always a wacko with a gun around at the wrong time.....

[Amaretti]

I'l tell you whats fucked up, its the gun licensing laws. I cant believe the gun laws in the USA still haven't been changed, its probably due to some redneck in the senate refusing to change the law. Guns should be banned, just like here in the UK.

That's virtually impossible. The UK banned guns because there were hardly any guns in circulation and there wasn't a gun industry. We never had guns to remove from the system so our gun crime is incredibly low.

In America there are too many guns in circulation to remove. If you banned them, you would simply be taking them out of the hands of law-abiding individuals while the criminal element would continue to be armed, which is arguably a more dangerous situation.

Still, in Virginia you can walk into a gun shop and buy a gun without a background check. That is just unacceptable. The gun laws need to change, or else things like this will just keep happening.

If he wanted to kill someone even without a gun, he would have. Hey people lets ban everything that causes death. From baby food bottles to tooth picks

Don't be silly. If he'd been forced to use something other than a gun, do you really think the body count would have been so high today? Guns do kill people, whether you like to admit it or not. Making them so readily available to just about anyone only increases the likelihood of tragedies like this happening, just as having ready-made bombs available to the general public would increase the likelihood of a bombing. I think people would agree putting bombs on sale to the general public would be an insanely bad idea, yet their purpose and the devastation they can cause is about that of a modern handgun.

[TekJounin]

Incredibly tragic. I'm glad some of our members who were there today have checked in to say they're all right.

[Kaki]

Part of the blame should be on teh school. I mean, they made a poor choice to not alert the student about the first shooting that kill one person at 7 am, instead they announced via email hours later when all the students are in class. This is true.....

[Tokoyami]

No stupid guns don't kill anyone. It's the bullets that kill people. And who fires the bullet the crazed loser who thinks E has something to prove. Banning guns will do nothing because your not about to stop black market smuggling and it's pretty damn retarded to do. How about people grow some fucking brains and not go around shooting up places hmm?

[Verdius]

If he wanted to kill someone even without a gun, he would have. Hey people lets ban everything that causes death. From baby food bottles to tooth picks


Or we could not be stupid and just ban the items actually made to kill, you know like guns?

*EDIT: I suppose Amaretti is right in that an all out ban would not be taken easily but at least increase the requirements needed to obtain one and then increase the way they are stored.

I mean sure any normal sane person can get one for protection (Yet how rarely do we hear of someone successfully using it for such.) but they could have an idiot child that decide it'll be cool to go and shoot some people with his daddy's gun. Or have their house burglerized and have their gun taken then in the hands of criminals.

[Auron]

Man these kids nowadays...they get a little sad and grab a gun and start shooting people. Don't got no fucking morals. And how the hell did 1 guy with 2 guns kill 32 people? Being serious he must've had some crazy aim and practice beforehand.

RIP to the victims

[beasty]

I find this a horrrible situation.

But what amazes me is the 1 man with a 2 guns vs aleast 200 ppl = 34 deaths.

I mean jeez just jump on him all at once. Im sure the killer isnt superhuman.

[Cair]

Ugh. I can't believe the sick bastards we call Americans anymore...that's terrible...nothing else I can say.

[The Internet]

Well this proves asians are better at shooting in general.

This man out did two people that had a shotgun, rifle, and pipe bombs with just two hand guns.


Not praising anything, but jesus christ. What the fuck did they do to provoke this bullshit

[Razza]

*sigh* There really are some psychos out there. I feel sorry for the families.

[Verdius]

Ugh. I can't believe the sick bastards we call Americans anymore...that's terrible...nothing else I can say.

Yes those sick bastards of the victim's families. Though I do understand what you're saying, this is making me think about moving to another country.

[Outlandish]

The Value of human life has dropped again, my condolences to the victims and families of the victims.


Ban guns from the biggest distributor of them all ?

America has become a breeding ground for the greediest cultures.

[Altron]

Yeah i read a bout this incident this morning, seriously that sucks and sad and makes Colombine look innocent.

[Verdius]

Well this proves asians are better at shooting in general.

This man out did two people that had a shotgun, rifle, and pipe bombs with just two hand guns.


Not praising anything, but jesus christ. What the fuck did they do to provoke this bullshit


I imagine he was thinking something along the lines of, "I just shot my girlfriend oh shit I'm done for my life is over, all of the hard work I put into this school and to get here! *sees another student that hasn't lost everything* It's not fair why did this happen to me?"

That's what I imagine what went through his head anyway.

[Okage]

My skool really needs to have more appreciation for current events. I didn't know about this until I got home and saw the tv. The crazies always seem to pop outta nowhere and hit the skools now. Not a single guard had a gun I heard. If they did they could've taken him down. Not to mention the fact that the cops where in the area investigating a previous shooting related to this one and didn't respond well at all. Many things meant to protect simply failed in this instance.

[Kduff]

lol oh wow.

Well, it's rather hard to give a shit when this happens every day in the US.

Okay then. So I stand by what I said before.

lol oh wow.

Why isn't this stupid fuck banned, or at least negged to hell yet? Seriously. This is insulting, immature, and terrible in so many ways.

[mystictrunks]

Eh,32 people isn't that many. More people will die of starvation today than those killed in the shooting.

[Robotkiller]

Why isn't this stupid fuck banned, or at least negged to hell yet? Seriously. This is insulting, immature, and terrible in so many ways.

Do you have any idea of how many african women and children are killed, mutilated and raped every day in Uganda and other tribal societies in africa? A lot more than 33 people I can tell you that.

People die horribly everyday. Some people think what happened at VT today is insignificant in the grand scheme of things, and they wouldn't be wrong.

Shit happens, just be glad that the shit isn't on you and move on.

[The Hungry Wolf]

Sad..as a uni student myself i can only think "what if it was me and not them?"
my condolences (sp?) to the famlies

[Kduff]

Do you have any idea of how many african women and children are killed, mutilated and raped every day in Uganda and other tribal societies in africa? A lot more than 33 people I can tell you that.

People die horribly everyday. Some people think what happened at VT today is insignificant in the grand scheme of things, and they wouldn't be wrong.

Shit happens, just be glad that the shit isn't on you and move on.

Boo hoo, I don't go around making fun of the shit, you arrogant cocksucker. I don't want any of it to happen, and I don't like anyone who downplays the importance of other's deaths. GROW THE FUCK UP.

[mister_manji]

Hey, Rock, we'll all laugh when your dead.
and ill laugh as you get hit by my car.
this is pretty fucked up

and I'm like wtf 21 dead couldn't somebody shoot the damn bastard before it went this far!? because they dont allow guns on campus im guessing?

one legal pistol packer couldve ended this with a single shot, but no. this is what happens when your security guards dont carry guns. also, couldnt 200+ people rush the guy?

[Jin-E]

That sucked but unfortunately i wasnt really shocked or suprised by this.

Lets hope we dont see copycats.

Its a terrible tragedy but i do kinda agree that this isnt exactly revolutionary. People get slaughtered by the hundreds everyday in Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, Somalia, Congo and many other places which doesnt even get half of all the media attention.

[kimidoll]

Wow, this is both sad and unbelievably shocking. I can't believe someone can just pick up a gun and just shoot innocent college kids without even stopping.

[mister_manji]

I'l tell you whats fucked up, its the gun licensing laws. I cant believe the gun laws in the USA still haven't been changed, its probably due to some redneck in the senate refusing to change the law. Guns should be banned, just like here in the UK. I feel so sad for the families, does anyone know why this guy did it?
youre a dumbass. after you banned guns in the UK, crime went UP. your logic is flawed.

[Stealth Tomato]

A tragic story, representing the equivalent of deaths in the rest of the US about every five minutes.

Scary as hell, and I feel bad for the victims and their families, but what can you do? Grieving for people you've never heard of isn't beneficial to anyone.
You move on. It's the best you can do for everyone.

[SamRH]

I hate hearing about this kind of stuff, I can't even imagine what those families are going through...

[Jaga]

it takes 1 nutcase to ruin tons of lives. colleges are really unsecure. anybody from the outside can get in and do anything. and its from the inside.. well i guess this is the result...i'm guessing it was a student who did it... how would have traveled so far and shot at 2, seemingly specific places.

And the fact that he was asian going into an engineering room may have meant something about like that his professor was their... i dunno...:cry

[Kduff]

Negged already. "Hey. Here's an idea! How about you go fuck yourself ~ Robotkiller"

What, too unintelligent to actually post any argument to what I said?

You people downplaying the deaths of these innocent students need to grow up. Yes, thousands of other innocent people die everywhere every day, but guess what? People who really care get out there and try to support a cause to help clean that shit up. This week is Darfur Awareness week at my school, and we're currently trying to get funding to help the people over there, so before you go bitching about people being upset about this shooting, and not caring about other people, maybe you should hold your fucking ignorant tongues.

There's nothing wrong or stupid about feeling pity for a bunch of students who were just living their lives.

[Austere]

Do you have any idea of how many african women and children are killed, mutilated and raped every day in Uganda and other tribal societies in africa? A lot more than 33 people I can tell you that.

People die horribly everyday. Some people think what happened at VT today is insignificant in the grand scheme of things, and they wouldn't be wrong.

Shit happens, just be glad that the shit isn't on you and move on.

The day when you lose empathy for those who have loved ones killed is the day you become heartless, it doesn't matter who it or where they are, when tragic events like these happen, it impacts someone greatly, feel for them and stop being cold-hearted.

[Purple haze]

Boo hoo, I don't go around making fun of the shit, you arrogant cocksucker. I don't want any of it to happen, and I don't like anyone who downplays the importance of other's deaths. GROW THE FUCK UP.

lol, you're the one who needs growing up that other guy came in this thread and respectfully gave his opinion while your response came off sounding like a teenage girl on a bloody period.

[Kduff]

lol, you're the one who needs growing up that other guy came in this thread and respectfully gave his opinion while your response came off sounding like a teenage girl on a bloody period.

Oh man, you sure got me. I usually do get pissed when stupid, insensitive dickheads - such as yourself - post stupid, insensitive bullshit that has no place here. Learn how to type and maybe I'll consider what you say. There are these things, called periods, and these other things, called capital letters, and when you use them they make you NOT sound like an ignorant kid.

Yet another stupid kid who needs to grow up.

[Peak]

Jesus Christ it got so big in a day.
Luckly I wasn't there.

[mystictrunks]

Oh man, you sure got me. I usually do get pissed when stupid, insensitive dickheads - such as yourself - post stupid, insensitive bullshit that has no place here. Learn how to type and maybe I'll consider what you say. There are these things, called periods, and these other things, called capital letters, and when you use them they make you NOT sound like an ignorant kid.

Yet another stupid kid who needs to grow up.

So because your opinion differs from theirs they are immature? People are entitled to their opinions,if they upset you just suck it up. This is the internet. :)

[Purple haze]

Oh man, you sure got me. I usually do get pissed when stupid, insensitive dickheads - such as yourself - post stupid, insensitive bullshit that has no place here. Learn how to type and maybe I'll consider what you say. There are these things, called periods, and these other things, called capital letters, and when you use them they make you NOT sound like an ignorant kid.

Yet another stupid kid who needs to grow up.

I didn't feel like using them.

How was that insensitive? I didn't say that those people deserved to die or joked about the situation. If you ask me you are the one who is acting like a dickhead.

[Kduff]

So because your opinion differs from theirs they are immature? People are entitled to their opinions,if they upset you just suck it up. This is the internet. :)

Goddamn, you stupid fucks really need to learn what a fucking opinion is. Everytime you post something stupid and wrong, and get insulted appropriately, you start screaming "it's just my opinion!" GROW UP! Opinions can be wrong, uninformed, ignorant, racist, sexist, and just plain stupid.

It wasn't an opinion anyway, it was an insensitive remark that was unnecessary, disrespectful, and fucking rude.

Stop spouting off your stupid "well it's my opinion so I can say it" and learn that an opinion only counts when there's some intelligence to back it up.

[mystictrunks]

Goddamn, you stupid fucks really need to learn what a fucking opinion is. Everytime you post something stupid and wrong, and get insulted appropriately, you start screaming "it's just my opinion!" GROW UP! Opinions can be wrong, uninformed, ignorant, racist, sexist, and just plain stupid.

It wasn't an opinion anyway, it was an insensitive remark that was unnecessary, disrespectful, and fucking rude.

Stop spouting off your stupid "well it's my opinion so I can say it" and learn that an opinion only counts when there's some intelligence to back it up.

I never said my,or anyones,opinion counted. I said not to take it so personally.