Anime Quality

[Usopp]

I don't know if anyone else really cares but, what are your thoughts on the anime's animation quality as of late?

In my opinion, ever since Luffy's first gear 2 moment and when the entirety of CP9 was introduced, the animation has been consistently......well bad. Think back to the Alabasta Arc, all of the fights were enjoyable to watch, the animation for every fight was good, I just wish it was a little better now.

Thoughts? Is it bad to you? If so, why do you think that is?

[Saya]

The bad art has struck One Piece. Everyone run.

[FFLN]

I wouldn't call it bad art or animation, but the fights have been lackluster and not all of them have been as exciting as I felt they should've been.

[Qrαhms]

..really?? I've just started downloading One Pice anime, but after reading this thread, maybe I should reconsider... :(

[p0ltergeist]

Yeah, ever since Skypiea ended, it seems as though the OP anime has received a budget cutback. Solution: Read the manga. Oda's art is spectacular.

[Broleta]

I think they sacrificed a bit of the artwork quality for the High Defenition, which is fine with me. I love watching One Piece in HD :D

[Usopp]

To Fuzen, watch One Piece! It's my favourite anime of all time, the only reason I care so much about the sudden drop in animation quality is because I know they have been great from the begin to the later middle of the series, some fillers were animated better than some of the recent episodes......

And I agree Oda's manga is great, but I fell in love with the anime, it's a really great portrayal of the manga.

[p0ltergeist]

If only they could bring back the animators who did Skypeia... those were the golden days for OP's animation quality.

[Shuntensatsu]

You are crazy if you think the animation has gone down. It has gone considerably up. The fluidity and speed of movement is 10x more crisp than it used to be. Ever since they changed to TOEI it has gotten far better. Sometimes you get a really bad episode /point 302, but that is the same with any anime. Naruto and Bleach have some absolutely disgusting episodes. The fight scene between Luffy and Lucci in 304 was amazingly well done, the best exchange I have seen since Naruto and Sasuke VoTE.

[Broleta]

^ I think they are reffering to the frame-by-frame artwork and not the animation. People seem to mix those up a lot.

And yeah the actual animation improved a lot since it went widescreen.

[p0ltergeist]

Yeah, oops. I should have said art quality not animation. Even still, I prefer it the way it was before, with the exception of the odd episode, like the latter bit of 304.

[FFLN]

I'm not even talking about art quality nor animation quality. I'm just talking about the action scenes and the way they were directed or choreographed. They've really lacked good action. Luffy's fight is probably going to be different, but the fights of the rest of the crew weren't as great as they could've been, with the exception of Sanji's. For Nami's fight, I think it would've been better if she and Kalifa just went at it and tore off eachother's clothing. Hey, I liked it when Nami was running around with only a bra during Little Garden.:P I wouldn't have minded it if she ran around with the same or less this time. Hmm... she needs a fire attack... so she can burn off her female opponent's clothing... Yes, that would work well...:pleased

[Shuntensatsu]

I'm not even talking about art quality nor animation quality. I'm just talking about the action scenes and the way they were directed or choreographed. They've really lacked good action. Luffy's fight is probably going to be different, but the fights of the rest of the crew weren't as great as they could've been, with the exception of Sanji's. For Nami's fight, I think it would've been better if she and Kalifa just went at it and tore off eachother's clothing. Hey, I liked it when Nami was running around with only a bra during Little Garden.:P I wouldn't have minded it if she ran around with the same or less this time. Hmm... she needs a fire attack... so she can burn off her female opponent's clothing... Yes, that would work well...:pleased

Zoro vs Kaku was great. Sanji vs Jyabura was the best fight Sanji has had. Luffy vs Lucci has been nothing short of spectacular. Luffy vs Bleuno was also godly. All the Ao Kiji fighting was amazing. Since they changed animators the battle scenes have gotten considerably better.

I seriously question your sanity if you didn't enjoy these scenes, either that or you simply didn't watch them at all.

I will give you the fact that the water 7 cast of villains suck compared to Enel, Mr.1, Mr.2, and Crocodile but other than that there is nothing that makes the previous arcs any better. Certainly not their fight scenes or art.

[MIHAWK]

what are you talking about?????? the way the characters are drawn sucks!!! almost all EL episodes are shit,only luffy vs blueno and the introduction of the cp9 were good but compared with the episodes in skypiah these are lame

franky vs fukuru was shit also,the first was a total garbage and the second was from the studio that made the 6th movie

zoro vs kaku???? which one?? cuz the first episode was pretty bad

the one piece anime is going to hell and the ratings also show this

i'll ask you 2 things,have you downloaded the OP OSTs???? i have,can you compare the themes and music used from episode 1 to drum and from drum till now??? from drum till now the themes are completely idiotic and compared with the first they seem they are from a different anime

and the other question,do you read the manga??? in bleach all episodes are the exact manga pictures animated and the same goes for most naruto episodes but in one piece i haven't seen a single scene that is take from the manga and animated exactly as it was in the manga

do you want proof??? asura in the manga and asura in the anime,every non filler OP episode should have been an exact copy of the manga animated,not some shitty drawning that represents in general the manga

and all the CP9 fights were dead slow,sanji vs jyabura,sanji was kicking jabs and he took over than a second to land to a wall,it was like slow motion

OP anime used 4 studios,now i think only the 2 are used,that is why they are shitty drawn

and i don't care if it is HD or widescreen,i would prefer the skypiah or W7 drawings with the music from episode 1 to drum

[Taleran]

Franky vs. Chapapapa, denies this topic


and the recent episode

[Shuntensatsu]

what are you talking about?????? the way the characters are drawn sucks!!! almost all EL episodes are shit,only luffy vs blueno and the introduction of the cp9 were good but compared with the episodes in skypiah these are lame

franky vs fukuru was shit also,the first was a total garbage and the second was from the studio that made the 6th movie

zoro vs kaku???? which one?? cuz the first episode was pretty bad

the one piece anime is going to hell and the ratings also show this

i'll ask you 2 things,have you downloaded the OP OSTs???? i have,can you compare the themes and music used from episode 1 to drum and from drum till now??? from drum till now the themes are completely idiotic and compared with the first they seem they are from a different anime

and the other question,do you read the manga??? in bleach all episodes are the exact manga pictures animated and the same goes for most naruto episodes but in one piece i haven't seen a single scene that is take from the manga and animated exactly as it was in the manga

do you want proof??? asura in the manga and asura in the anime,every non filler OP episode should have been an exact copy of the manga animated,not some shitty drawning that represents in general the manga

and all the CP9 fights were dead slow,sanji vs jyabura,sanji was kicking jabs and he took over than a second to land to a wall,it was like slow motion

OP anime used 4 studios,now i think only the 2 are used,that is why they are shitty drawn

and i don't care if it is HD or widescreen,i would prefer the skypiah or W7 drawings with the music from episode 1 to drum


First learn how to spell. Second learn how to write coherent sentences. Third try to get a relatively close idea of what the hell it is you are talking about.

If you can do these 3 things people might actually read your posts instead of just passing them by and writing you off as an idiot.

[Usopp]

Franky vs. Chapapapa, denies this topic


and the recent episode

^Don't you think there's something wrong with that? Shouldn't all of the major fights be good?

Especially Zoro's, it was ok, but not NEARLY on par with when he fought Mr.1, not by a fucking long shot, that's a very good comparison I think, look back to those days, compared to that, the fights really, really......suck.

[Taleran]

I thought this was about the animation not about the actual content of the fight?

neway I don't watch the anime that much neway recently I have, I find the manga superior so I stick to that

[~Shin~]

I never really liked OP animation. It was just old style imo. I prefer animation like D. Gray Man, Death Note and such

[MIHAWK]

First learn how to spell. Second learn how to write coherent sentences. Third try to get a relatively close idea of what the hell it is you are talking about.

If you can do these 3 things people might actually read your posts instead of just passing them by and writing you off as an idiot.

first.i know hot to spell and i also know 2 or 3 languages more than you do cuz english isn't my country's language

second.if you can't understand them go back in kindergarden

third. the anime is not only what you see but what you hear also and the themes used are lame compared with the themes that were used in the first episodes

try to remember some scenes:sanji leaving from baratie with luffy,mihawk telling zoro to surpass him,usopp trying to block the kuro piates from entering alone,the story of the old man that had a pet shop in the town that buggy took over,zoro+sanji+usopp+luffy going straighjt in arlong park together,all the flash backs of the SH,chopper looking at the pink snow in drum,shanks saving luffy,luffy tellinh shanks he will become the PK and then shanks leaving from fuuscha,the oath the SH took outside the reverse mountain by puttinhg their feet on the barrel

all these scenes are examples of the themes used in the first episodes of one piece,the only theme that can be compared with them is in W7 in franky's flashback where he tries to stop puffing tom,all the other themes are a bunch of crap,download the OST and you will understand

and luffy vs blueno,franky vs fukouru were good but not the first parts of those fights and 304 was also good but EL started near 265 and these are less than 5 episodes

i don't give a shit about anything you post or anyone who posts to flame and i won't answer any of your posts again cuz i aint got time to waste om people like you,go cheer on about the OP anime that looks more like dragon ball,an anime 10 years old

cuz get backers,tenjou tenge,bleach,naruto,death note,d gray man,full metal alchemist,hellsing and another dousen anime are way better designed than OP and the irony is that OP is by far the best manga while the anime gets worse ratings than digimon savers

also the anime is full of flashbacks that aren't in the manga and i bet that except of the roger part after the beginning they are gonna put an ending theme too so the 10 minutes out of the 24 to be repeated songs and the other 4 to be flashbacks!! hoorayyyyyyyyyyyyy!!

[Shuntensatsu]

first.i know hot to spell and i also know 2 or 3 languages more than you do cuz english isn't my country's language

second.if you can't understand them go back in kindergarden

loooooooooooooooooooooooooool. This seriously made my day. I couldn't stop laughing for about 4 minutes straight.

[p0ltergeist]

I went back and watched a number of scenes from Skypeia including many fights, and I can say without a doubt that Skypeia animation and art is superior to everything that came after it. Very disappointing.

[Will123]

p0ltergeist-

1= If you hate the anime so much why do is your avatar from the anime?
2= Your a troll
3= You only liked Nami's bra costume...
4= To bad your still in kindergarden

franky vs fukuru was shit also,the first was a total garbage and the second was from the studio that made the 6th movie
It was shit? really I didn't find it shit... it had a few punching effects much better then Skypiea...

zoro vs kaku???? which one?? cuz the first episode was pretty bad
I liked it a lot much more then the Zoro VS Giraffe Kaku

and all the CP9 fights were dead slow,sanji vs jyabura,sanji was kicking jabs and he took over than a second to land to a wall,it was like slow motion
Yeah I counted that a whopping 1 time... and it was made up for it since it went slow then faster... =P and your an odd ass people like that like when Nami got hit by Kalifa's soap it went slower and showed a flashback in grey and white I really liked that part...

and the other question,do you read the manga??? in bleach all episodes are the exact manga pictures animated and the same goes for most naruto episodes but in one piece i haven't seen a single scene that is take from the manga and animated exactly as it was in the manga
Dude, that's good... it's orginal... not some crappy thing that copys the pictures in the manga...

[FFLN]

Zoro vs Kaku was great. Sanji vs Jyabura was the best fight Sanji has had. Luffy vs Lucci has been nothing short of spectacular. Luffy vs Bleuno was also godly. All the Ao Kiji fighting was amazing. Since they changed animators the battle scenes have gotten considerably better.

I seriously question your sanity if you didn't enjoy these scenes, either that or you simply didn't watch them at all.

I will give you the fact that the water 7 cast of villains suck compared to Enel, Mr.1, Mr.2, and Crocodile but other than that there is nothing that makes the previous arcs any better. Certainly not their fight scenes or art.

Zoro vs. Kaku was not great. After watching all of the other crew's fights, while eagerly anticipating Zoro's fight, it was a major disappointment. I didn't mind all of the filler sword-swinging and rankyaku attacks, BUT that was only because I was waiting for the awesome finishing move that Zoro would be bound to pull out. Well... that was utterly disappointing. Some people say that they watch the anime in order to see their favorite scenes in action or that they prefer moving images instead of still images, with this in mind, you truly can not say that Zoro's fight was awesome. If they were going to use a still scene, they should've used a better OVERALL fight scene. That would've at least balanced it out. They didn't though, which is why people feel the way they do about it.

Luffy vs Lucci, it's not complete yet, so I have no comment about it. If you're just commenting about what I assume to be filler scuffles between them, they weren't very exciting simply because they were interrupting the focus fight of the time and I knew that they would have no affect on the conclusion of the fight anyway.

Luffy vs Bruno was good, but as it's already been pointed out, that was early on, and the fights after that have been mostly going downhill.

Ao Kiji... that's far before the slump, so I have no comment about that. Everything that took place in Water 7 itself was awesome, but once they got past Luffy's fight against Bruno, it has gone downhill.

So, clarify which scene, in which I've given my opinion, is causing you to "question" my "sanity".

Also, I never said that the Water 7 villains "suck". I think everything that took place in Water 7 was great, but it's just when they begin to head into the tower that things became worse than what we're used to seeing.

Oh, and do stop criticizing others for their use of English. As I commented, not everyone on NF is from a country in which English is the major language, or national language, and if you can make out their meaning, then just address their point. If you can focus only on the aesthetics of their post, then it shows to others that you really don't have much of a point to make in regards to their argument.

[p0ltergeist]

p0ltergeist-

1= If you hate the anime so much why do is your avatar from the anime?
2= Your a troll
3= You only liked Nami's bra costume...
4= To bad your still in kindergarden



1: Are you talking to me? I don't have an avatar.
2: No.
3: I was talking about animation and art, not boobies. What are you talking about?
4: You misspelled 3 words in that sentence.

[FFLN]

If he's talking about bras, I was talking about how Nami's fight could've been hotter if she and Kalifa just tore eachother's clothes off. I don't remember anyone else talking about bras or boobies besides me.:oh

[Usopp]

I agree mostly with FFLN and p0ltergeist.

p0ltergeist mainly because he's speaking the rawest of what I want to say, and I sort-of agree with him on the current soundtrack, though I don't think it's absolutely horrible, it's not what it used to be. His arguments about Enies Lobby animation are exactly what I mean, people reference EXTREMELY small parts like Luffy's gear 2 or 10 minutes of Franky vs. Fukurou, what about the rest of these past some 40 episodes?

FFLN, you have a very good way with words. The build-up to Zoro's one attack after so many lackluster fights, the hope that when it finally comes, it will have been worth the (very) stretched out battles, face close-ups of people gasping, and plot points. In the end it only builds us up to resent what Zoro's fight turned out to be, mediocre..........and yes, I agree with you that boobies are nice :P

[Delta Shell]

Gear 2 Luffy vs Blueno was the best animated (action) episode of One Piece so far and it's pretty recent, like, within 30 episodes ago.

Yes we've had "so so" animation since then but really. We've had a pretty decent run throughout.

Hark back to Alabasta and you can't say there weren't times where you wanted better animation even at the sake of some art. Like Zoro vs Mr.1 Badass yes, but imagine if it was a bit more fluid? LikeLuffy vs Blueno? Yes please.

I was grossly disappointed by Zoro's Asura though. A still fucking picture is what we get? It was basically a coloured manga page with less detail.

[p0ltergeist]

Luffy vs Wiper:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7UZcHS6GPg

Luffy vs Blueno:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHcKgfGbYAM

Luffy vs Blueno is certainly the best animation and art in the W7/EL arc, but even then I'd say Luffy vs Wiper was done better. And Skypeia had this caliber of animation/art on a consistent basis. This is even more evident when you watch the episodes in .avi or .mp4 quality (youtube sucks for quality).

One exception: For 6 minutes in episode 304, Luffy vs Lucci offered us without a doubt the best animation in One Piece. But that's only 6 minutes, so it doesn't count unless they keep it up. Nevertheless, I'm still angry at them for going so cheap on art/animation for so much of W7/EL :(

[CosmicDebris]

The quality of the anime as a whole, the animation, the directing, the filler content/stretching, has gone down since Enies Lobby. I had uneven moments in Skypiea and even Alabasta too, but it's much worse right now. There ARE some really good episodes here and there, I hear 304 was good (though I haven't watched it yet to judge), but it's like they're saving all the budget for a few key fight sequences and casting aside the rest to a B- crew.

[Broleta]

Wow.. I've loved mostly all of the CP9 fights so far. The animation is so fluid and it's in high defenition. The old episodes were in crappy 4:3 SD and the animation wasn't nearly as fluid as it is now. The only thing I could think of as to why people are thinking the animation is bad is because they're watching a scaled down version (SD) cause I also thought that the animation in W7 was going down until I started to watch the HD versions at Enies Lobby. I prefer the HD, fluid, crisp colour to the old standard style.

[FFLN]

I agree that the HD versions are awesome to watch, but it's not the animation quality at all nor the artwork that I have a problem with. It's just how they choose to do a fight scene. The whole of One Piece is excellent, but the more recent episodes just aren't up to the standards that we expect from it. If the CP9 fights in the manga had been crappy, then I would understand why the fights in the anime would seem crappy too, but based on what others have said, the manga fights were done much better than the anime's version. That just shows me that something is different or wrong with the way the anime is being directed. Is there a new director, a new art director, a new animation director, a new something? Because somewhere in there, things are getting nerfed.

I was grossly disappointed by Zoro's Asura though. A still fucking picture is what we get? It was basically a coloured manga page with less detail.

I agree. This was the most disappointing part. When I saw it I just thought, "WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Which is why I have liked Sanji's CP9 fight the most, because it's had the best action sequences, and the finish was excellent. It just had 'badass' written all over it. That title would usually be Zoro's, but the anime did not do justice to what Zoro's fight should've been. If they do a 10th movie and they want to redo one of the anime arcs... they should redo Water 7 and Enies Lobby.:oh Fans would REALLY appreciate that.

Oh, and let's not forget the previous opening that had scenes from the CP9 fights. That opening just SO hyped up those battles, and they were good at those parts, but it was still a huge let-down later.

And Broleta, your avvie there, that's one of my favorite scenes from the opening and in the anime.:P

Oh, and Shuuntensatsu, based on your comment you left for me, you've got quite a dirty mouth. Weren't you the one bad-mouthing others about their use of English? I would think that you'd know how to use it properly yourself if that was the case, but based upon your comment for me, it seems you've got a limit as to how far you can go with your "skill" of the English language.

[CosmicDebris]

Is there a new director, a new art director, a new animation director, a new something?

There has never been one single director. They use different directors for different episodes, and you can tell when they have the "good" ones. Like the same guy that directed the Luffy v. Crocodile fight directed Usopp v. Luffy. They reserve the better direction and animation for the more "important" episodes in their eyes.

[Orthio]

Aaaah, I always wondered if that happened

[Shuntensatsu]

FFLN clearly you have no idea what high quality animation is. The frame rate in episode 304 is ridiculous, the movement is so crisp and quick I honestly don't know what else you could ask for. If you are bitching about their faces looking somewhat silly in scenes, you are asking too much from a weekly series. Only movies have the budget to put out high speed animation without sacrificing the level of the art.

Outside of the extremely awful episode 302, every scene between Luffy and Lucci has been excellent from 296-304.

I don't know what you want from the Asura scene, how can they animate 9 strikes all hitting at the exact same time? They did it exactly how it was depicted in the manga, first you bitch about them making scenes that weren't in the manga saying they are boring now you want them to do it for the Asura move? I can't figure out what side you are on here.

Also I would like to know what long standing shounen series do you think has good animation if you dislike this? Naruto and Bleach have had some seriously bad spots. Even DBZ, YYH, and Kenshin had a few poorly animated episodes. You are simply judging a minority of the episodes and stereotyping the entire Enies Lobby/W7 arc as shit.

Lastly I left you that message because you are a coward who negged me even though I wasn't talking to you. Mind your own business, stop trying to be the Narutofan version of the United States as the world police.

[FFLN]

In regards to the message, I don't mind neg-reps, but I do mind being referred to as a "whiny bitch" simply for telling you to not flame people because of their English. It doesn't take a mod to see when that's happening.

Also, you should've read what I wrote a bit more clearly. I wasn't talking about the animation nor the art quality at all. I was referring to the way the fights were choreographed or directed in all of the recent episodes. As I said earlier, the art and animation don't bother me. In regards to Luffy and Lucci, I'm not talking about the animation with their skirmish scenes either. I said that I assumed they were filler, since those skirmishes obviously led to no conclusion in their self.

In regards to the Ashura scene, going to a black screen and then showing still shots just does not do Zoro justice at all. I don't read the OP manga, so I don't know how it's done in there. I do read what people who've read it have said about it though. It's the same as it was in the manga. Anime is supposed to be the manga in action. The Ashura attack should've been done better. Just so you don't attack loose strings again, I'm not talking about animation nor art, I am talking about the way the attack was done for the anime. If they had no other way of doing that attack though, then they should've done what I mentioned earlier, which was coordinating the Zoro fight with better movement and attacks overall. Instead, we got to see a multitude of rankyaku slices with a multitude of sword-swings by Zoro to deflect them. Then we get random sword-slashing back and forth between the two, and then we finally get to what should be an awesome finishing attack that is then taken down to what seems to be, in essence, the panning of a couple of still frames.

In case you didn't pick up the point that I made in previous posts and this one, I'll put it simply as well. If they had to do Ashura as it was in the manga, they should've made the scenes in the fight, leading up to that, more intense and engaging. If they had to make the fight scenes just random slashing and rankyaku strikes, then they should've made Ashura more impressive. That way, it would've balanced out the bad with the good, and left the viewer feeling excitement rather than disappointment with both a poor lead up and a poor finish to the fight.

Also, I suppose I need to state it again separate from other bodies of text so that you can see it more clearly, I am not claiming that Water 7 nor Enies Lobby were bad arcs. I have already stated my view on the arcs in general. Water 7 was good. Enies Lobby was good, until they got to the tower. The tower in general has been below the standard OP quality. Am I looking at only a relatively small part of OP as a whole? Yes, but THAT is the point. The episodes in the tower have generally not been very good. There have been parts in there that have been well-done, but the rest have not been. Once again, I'm not talking about the animation nor the art, but rather the actual scenes their self. And NO I am not talking about the ENTIRE One Piece series, but rather JUST the episodes in the tower. THAT is what most people in here have been referring to.

There has never been one single director. They use different directors for different episodes, and you can tell when they have the "good" ones. Like the same guy that directed the Luffy v. Crocodile fight directed Usopp v. Luffy. They reserve the better direction and animation for the more "important" episodes in their eyes.

Ah, thanks for that. That really explains some things and clears up many other issues. And yes, those two fights were very well done fights. *sigh* Where's that director at now? That director needed to do more of the scenes in the tower.

[Broleta]

Wow. The animation in 304 was so great - especially towards the end. It was so fluid and smooth 8D

[Shuntensatsu]

. I don't read the OP manga


Stopped reading right here. Sorry I wasted any time arguing with you in the first place.

[FFLN]

Heh, as expected.

You can have your thread back now Mark-Tenshi.:amuse My opinion about the recent episodes has been clearly stated.:)

[Delta Shell]

Shuntensatsu that's not really fair, FFLN has a valid point about the Asura thing, this is supposed to be the manga in motion. Saying "Well you wanted it to follow the manga closely" is being pedantic to be honest.

The fact of the matter is the Asura was a massive let down and honestly I don;t see it being that hard to animate the attack compared to the other stuff they do. It's not like it was one arm doing 9 strikes, all you've got to do is show Zoro moving at speed and swinging all his arms and heads.

[Usopp]

Heh, as expected.

You can have your thread back now Mark-Tenshi.:amuse My opinion about the recent episodes has been clearly stated.:)

lol, and I thank you for you input, I agree with you, and now Delta shell just above me :laugh

[ouatic]

I feel that the animation quality as of late has been very inconsistent. The edo period specials have very good art and animation, while some canon episodes like 302 have really bad animation.

I know its hard to animate a show running 300+ episodes with great animation, but TOEI has shown to release great animation this late in the show as shown in ep. 304. But then again TOEI isn't exactly a company that sports the best production values especially compared to ones like Studio Madhouse. Its a real shame too since One Piece is such a great manga.

However I still have hope that TOEI can pull it off in the end.