Itachi Vs Sound 5 (all at once)

[gtw1983]

Itachi is of course allowed to use the sharingan and all the sound can use any technique at their disposal.

I think Itachi would win by slaughtering the other 4 with relative ease.Then finding that he cannot damge kimimaro with taijutsu he would use Mangeyou sharingan to mindrape kimi into insanity.smile-big

[TreeofSephri]

You are crazy. A sharingan users worst enemies are multiple opponents. He would be overwhelmed by Jirobou doton jutsu, Kidoumaru webbing that he cannot escape from, Tayuya's monsters, Kimi's bone attacks. Sorry but Itachi loses,fanboy.

[Canute87]

Itachi could just create 4 kagebunshins and let them attach themselves to four of the members and let them explode. Use tsukiyomi on kimimaro then burn him alive with ameratsu.

[TreeofSephri]

Ok I am going to leave now cause this thread is just getting dumb as hell.

[matt//reznor]

Ok I am going to leave now cause this thread is just getting dumb as hell.

God, you really hate Itachi don't you?

[I Я Sayo]

Ok I am going to leave now cause this thread is just getting dumb as hell.

its just right its just for sure that itachi would get banged by the sounds 5. he even left with kisame after gai appeared. and the sounds 5 is jounin lvl no matter what

[TreeofSephri]

God, you really hate Itachi don't you?

No I just hate when fanboyism begins to overtake logic.

[chrisp]

It's like when Trunks cut Frieza in pieces. He's on a whole different level. Itachi would rape the Sound 5 in every possible way.

[Spectra]

lol i just saw those kimimaro episodes today

i think itachi could easily beat the 1st 3.

I dont know about Kimimaro though as well as sakon and his brother.

[RockGuitarist]

Dude, the 4 sounds are mid-high chuunin level, kimimaro is spec. jonin-low -jonin level, Itachi even when he was like 12 could take on 3 high chuunin- low jonin ninja down with ease, do you think he'll have a problem with 4 chuunins and a special jonin? (I don't like itachi, but seeing as he's truly a genius ninja in all aspects, much like prime sarutobi, he would beat these 5 with ease, he'll have some trouble with 5 CS2 power level ninjas, but he'll still win))

[Kyon]

No I just hate when fanboyism begins to overtake logic.

I hate it when idiots call fanboy on any opinion that isn't their own.

Multiple opponents is a weakness for mostly everybody, it's not exactly exclusive to the Sharingan, nor is it a reason to lose. Tayuya's genjutsu is nullified, and the other 5's resistance to genjutsu is probably not that high. That said, Itachi is a genjutsu specialist. Do the math (or whatever).

Three members of the Sound 5 rely on taijutsu. Those three would be exterminated easily by either an exploding bunshin or Amaretsu. Fuck, a nice widespread genjutsu would make them all shit their pants. Tayuya has her ethereal creatures and the three monsters (which can't work side by side) and Kidomaro wouldn't be too hard for Itachi to eliminate.

I'm assuming they're fighting in a field, by the way, with Kido having nowhere to hide. Tayuya's only weapon being the flute, Itachi's aim with kunai (you saw it, didn't you?) could possibly disarm her (she seemed pretty susceptible to tricks) and Kido in a field isn't that hard to eliminate.

Hell, Itachi's genjutsu skill could probably beat all 5 at once. I'm giving the Sound 5 credit here.

[TreeofSephri]

I hate it when idiots call fanboy on any opinion that isn't their own.

Multiple opponents is a weakness for mostly everybody, it's not exactly exclusive to the Sharingan, nor is it a reason to lose. Tayuya's genjutsu is nullified, and the other 5's resistance to genjutsu is probably not that high. That said, Itachi is a genjutsu specialist. Do the math (or whatever).

Three members of the Sound 5 rely on taijutsu. Those three would be exterminated easily by either an exploding bunshin or Amaretsu. Fuck, a nice widespread genjutsu would make them all shit their pants. Tayuya has her ethereal creatures and the three monsters (which can't work side by side) and Kidomaro wouldn't be too hard for Itachi to eliminate.

I'm assuming they're fighting in a field, by the way, with Kido having nowhere to hide. Tayuya's only weapon being the flute, Itachi's aim with kunai (you saw it, didn't you?) could possibly disarm her (she seemed pretty susceptible to tricks) and Kido in a field isn't that hard to eliminate.

Hell, Itachi's genjutsu skill could probably beat all 5 at once. I'm giving the Sound 5 credit here.

I could respond to this, but I won't. :)

[Kyon]

I could respond to this, but I won't. :)

But you did respond to it. :laugh

ToS hates popular people is now a meme.

[TreeofSephri]

I hate it when idiots call fanboy on any opinion that isn't their own.

Multiple opponents is a weakness for mostly everybody, it's not exactly exclusive to the Sharingan, nor is it a reason to lose. Tayuya's genjutsu is nullified, and the other 5's resistance to genjutsu is probably not that high. That said, Itachi is a genjutsu specialist. Do the math (or whatever).


Three members of the Sound 5 rely on taijutsu. Those three would be exterminated easily by either an exploding bunshin or Amaretsu. Fuck, a nice widespread genjutsu would make them all shit their pants. Tayuya has her ethereal creatures and the three monsters (which can't work side by side) and Kidomaro wouldn't be too hard for Itachi to eliminate.



I'm assuming they're fighting in a field, by the way, with Kido having nowhere to hide. Tayuya's only weapon being the flute, Itachi's aim with kunai (you saw it, didn't you?) could possibly disarm her (she seemed pretty susceptible to tricks) and Kido in a field isn't that hard to eliminate.


Hell, Itachi's genjutsu skill could probably beat all 5 at once. I'm giving the Sound 5 credit here.

Chiyo actually said that a sharingan user is at a disadvantage when fighting more than one person. However, I do agree with you concerning mutliple opponnent. How exactly do you know that the other 5 resistance to genjutsu is not that you have no evidence to back that up.
Itachi has never shown the capacity to use a widespread genjutsu.

Jirobou, Kidoumaru are not exclusively taijutsu. Jiroubou has more than enough doton jutsu and Kidoumaru has never even thrown a punch. He depends on the web that Itachi could not get out. You know the one that takes two elephants to break. Kidoumaru would be the worst enemy of Itachi because he hides and has webing that would slow him down plus it hard to see. How exactly will Itachi escape the web.

You are assuming that Tayuya is just going to sit still and let the kunai hit the flute. The majority of your post is pure opinion come back when you have facts.

[Kyon]

ToS, usually you're way better than this. :oh

Chiyo actually said that a sharingan user is at a disadvantage when fighting more than one person. However, I do agree with you concerning mutliple opponnent.

I acknowledge that Chiyo said that. But really, are they more or less at a disadvantage against multiple opponents than somebody with normal eyes? That was my point.

Jirobou, Kidoumaru are not exclusively taijutsu. Jiroubou has more than enough doton jutsu and Kidoumaru has never even thrown a punch.

I meant Jirobou, Sakon, and Kimimaro. :oh

Jiroubou has more than enough doton jutsu

That will get copied.

He depends on the web that Itachi could not get out. You know the one that takes two elephants to break. Kidoumaru would be the worst enemy of Itachi because he hides and has webing that would slow him down plus it hard to see. How exactly will Itachi escape the web.

How exactly will Kido hit Itachi with the web? Plus, you're assuming Itachi is going to use brute strength to escape. You may say "But, Itachi doesn't know of the web's abilities!" in which case I'll reply "No, but if you saw an enemy spitting web at you, would you stand there and take it?"

You are assuming that Tayuya is just going to sit still and let the kunai hit the flute.
(she seemed pretty susceptible to tricks)

How exactly do you know that the other 5 resistance to genjutsu is not that you have no evidence to back that up.

There is no evidence that they have good resistance either. :oh

Itachi has never shown the capacity to use a widespread genjutsu.

No, but it is within reason, him being good at genjutsu and all.

The majority of your post is pure opinion come back when you have facts.

The argument of the weak. Assumptions must be made in Itachi's case.

Just like in your arch-enemy's (Yondaime's) case. :amuse

[Mahdi]

I think that Itachi would beat the Sound 5 soundly (horrible i know :grin) but Kimimaro vs Itachi would be quite interesting to watch. I'd like to see how Itachi counters Kimimaros CS2 state.

[TreeofSephri]

There are people who think he can beat Sasori. Dodging is apparently no problem for him. Besides, if he knows that they're Oro's subordinates, he'll just end the fight nice and fast with some genjutsu.



Oh, but I think it does. You see, more often than not shinobi have seemed to be quite susceptible to genjutsu, and logically that would mean that the Sound 5 would have average abilities of evading genjutsu. Plus, there is stuff like bunshins that could throw off the Sound 5.



And why wouldn't it? Kabuto put an entire stadium to sleep. Couldn't Itachi do something to the same effect, logically?



Where is your evidence that the Sound 5 works well in a team? Actually, didn't Sakon say back in the SUPER DUPER BARREL SNATCHING MANEUVER OF DOOM that the Super Team had the advantage in teamwork over them?

You have no evidence, so your point is lost. :wink

Why in the world are you using other opinions as fact. Unless Kishimoto says that Itachi can beat Sasori then we have no idea who would win. Once again you are using opinion as fact. All we can do is postulate what Itachi will do in this fight. You have no idea what Itachi would do in this situation.
Again I say that there is no evidence to support the Sound 5 resistance to genjutsu so lets not discuss it.
Itachi has never used any Genjutsu against a group so we cannot say he could use it in this ffight.
The Sound Five are Oro's personal body guards. They work together in there sealing and barrier techniques. Do you think it s that much of a stretch to think that they would have good teamwork. They fought Kimimaro and Sasuke as a team.

[Kyon]

You have no idea what Itachi would do in this situation.

Logic dictates he would do the most logical thing. He won't be like "LOL, I WILL DRAW THIS OUT FOR FUN."

Again I say that there is no evidence to support the Sound 5 resistance to genjutsu so lets not discuss it.
Itachi has never used any Genjutsu against a group so we cannot say he could use it in this ffight.

Hah...resorting to that weak argument? You're not so good at this logical assumption game are you? :laugh

The Sound Five are Oro's personal body guards. They work together in there sealing and barrier techniques. Do you think it s that much of a stretch to think that they would have good teamwork. They fought Kimimaro and Sasuke as a team.

Big whoop. They managed to beat Sasuke, but he was making them do something, and they lost to Kimimaro and barely managed to beat 2 special jounin when they went CS2.

What stellar examples of teamwork.

[TreeofSephri]

So a weak argument is one that relies heavily on fact and not on assumption and opinion?

[Kyon]

So a weak argument is one that relies heavily on fact and not on assumption and opinion?

I've got you down to one sentence. :nuts

Anyway, a weak argument is telling someone they lack facts. Logical assumptions have their place, and for characters who are surrounded by controversy (Itachi, Yondaime, Sakumo <--Your next product of hate?) they are what suffice for an argument.

[TreeofSephri]

Logic dictates he would do the most logical thing. He won't be like "LOL, I WILL DRAW THIS OUT FOR FUN."



Hah...resorting to that weak argument? You're not so good at this logical assumption game are you? :laugh



Big whoop. They managed to beat Sasuke, but he was making them do something, and they lost to Kimimaro and barely managed to beat 2 special jounin when they went CS2.

What stellar examples of teamwork.

If Logic dictates that he would do the most logical thing. Then why did he not kill Sasuke instead of wasting precious chakra to torture him. Although the moments of team work were not spectacular, they none the less were effective. They accomplished there goal didn't they? What you are doing is not assuming but just making up skill in order to support your argument. If we can assume that they have a weakness to genjutsu, I will assume that sharingan cannot predict attacks in order to compensate.

[Kyon]

If Logic dictates that he would do the most logical thing. Then why did he not kill Sasuke instead of wasting precious chakra to torture him.

Logically, we can assume in that position that he wanted to make his message clear to Sasuke, and to scare him into wanting to gain more power. It worked, did it not?

Although the moments of team work were not spectacular, they none the less were effective. They accomplished there goal didn't they?

What goal would that be? Getting Sasuke to Orochimaru? It still doesn't negate the fact that they seem incapable of defeating a high level opponent.

What you are doing is not assuming but just making up skill in order to support your argument. If we can assume that they have a weakness to genjutsu, I will assume that sharingan cannot predict attacks in order to compensate.

I said average, not piss-poor. :oh

That would be the most...logical. :wink

Plus, it has been proven in the anime that the sharingan can predict attacks. Taking away known skills does not equate to a logical assumption of skills.

[Canute87]

Here is how i really see it.Kimiamro is weaker than orochiamru and itachi is stronger than orochimaru.

In part 1 two jounins already tired from a mission was able to FORCE all four of them to go CS2. And i would believe that itachi could take on those two jounins if they were fresh.

Itachi's kunai techniques are without flaw he was able to even hit the target in the blind spot right in the center(his training in the past). Their level of genjutsu doesn't work on itachi and itachi can cast genjustu without looking into an opponents eyes. Kimimaro is a close combat fighter and itachi is quick enough to dodge the spider guy's techniques. Jiroubou is no match for itachi and sakon and ukon wouldn't make that much of a difference.

[Capacity]

Here is how i really see it.Kimiamro is weaker than orochiamru and itachi is stronger than orochimaru.

In part 1 two jounins already tired from a mission was able to FORCE all four of them to go CS2. And i would believe that itachi could take on those two jounins if they were fresh.

Itachi's kunai techniques are without flaw he was able to even hit the target in the blind spot right in the center(his training in the past). Their level of genjutsu doesn't work on itachi and itachi can cast genjustu without looking into an opponents eyes. Kimimaro is a close combat fighter and itachi is quick enough to dodge the spider guy's techniques. Jiroubou is no match for itachi and sakon and ukon wouldn't make that much of a difference.
do you mean the Sound 5 without the activated curse seal or with the curse seal active

[Distracted]

wow people even have to debate this?

Okay how about this. Ask yourselves, could any of the sound 4 (not counting kimi here) beat Kakashi?

no... Kakashi will own them pretty damn quickly... in fact the only one I see causing ANY trouble is Kidou... and that's only if kakashi doesn't hunt him down and kill him instantly.

Itachi would have an even EASIER time with them... Genjutsu means nothing to him, tayuya is useless. Strength? shit he'd just stab Jidou in the side and laugh at his screams. Sakon and Ukon? they wouldnt' be able to get close enough to Itachi... he has speed comparable to Kakashi, if not BETTER. Then we have Kidou... I would love to see Kidou fight a lot of people.

In my opinion Kidou is what made the teamwork strong of the original sound 4. Then we have kimi... MS works very well, and can be done in a matter of seconds.

I understand team work is very very important, but you have to remember all of these guys LOST to GENIN'S one on one. Yeah they took out 2 worn out special Jounins, but that was 4 against 2. 4 against 1...

well let me put it this way... if Genma (I LOVE GENMA) and whoever the other guy was took on itachi... while they were FRESH... who would win? Yeah, that's right... the SENBON! but seriously, itachi would slaughter them.

Itachi is a sneaky bastard with exploding clones and seals too fast for these people to see... he's one of the very few that I would give the edge too over 5 PEOPLE...

[durtycheese]

the sound 5 got beat by genins... itachi would rape them over and over, nuff said.

[Ehm_Ess]

Itachi wins. He's just on a whole other level to the sound 5. I don't see how Kimi and co could keep up with Itachi's MS and genjutsu, and let's not forget that Itachi is uber fast and a well rounded shinobi.

[Tousen]

wow i really cant believe all the non sense i actually read in this thread



i guess im the only one thats going to agree with TreeofSephri...5 vs 1..you people act like itachi is a hyuga or something and hes rocking the byuakgan...lol

this is pathetic and first of all the person that said kimi is a low jonin level is a idiot..he is a s-rank ninja just like itachi and the rest of the members in his crew..dont believe me look it up


anywho back to the question at hand...itachi would get raped by the sound 5 because they all have there speciality which would completely crush itachi....second their leader is kimimaro and there arent alot of people that can beat him..its just sad that he had to die because of his HEALTH no by gaara

so again ill state it itachi would be raped by the sound 5...it would be good to see if he can even handle 3 of them or maybe 2 depending on which 2

[Kyuubi1234]

itachi has skill besides his genjutsu he would be able to take out first 4 then against kimi he could use MS and kill him. The fight goes to itachi.

[Tousen]

itachi has skill besides his genjutsu he would be able to take out first 4 then against kimi he could use MS and kill him. The fight goes to itachi.

your kidding right...thats how you call the match..just like that

[drache]

If Itachi went against the sound 5 and they were all healthy, he'd take a bunch of them down but most likely run out of chakra and/or give himself the mother of all migraines thus enabling the remaining memebers to most likely take him down. Remember that the Sharigen while possessing awesome advantages comes with a price and it seems that the higher the level of use and techiniques the worst the price. There's multiple examples and references.

However regardless it would be one hell of a war especially against Kimimaro. The same tatics the leaf ninjas used against the sound 5 (doubling up on them, using the fact that they were underestimated) could also be used against Itachi.

I don't care if you're the second coming of the 1st Hokage, you're still human you still have limits and numbers can eventually win. The big question would be how high of a body count would it take?

[Tousen]

If Itachi went against the sound 5 and they were all healthy, he'd take a bunch of them down but most likely run out of chakra and/or give himself the mother of all migraines thus enabling the remaining memebers to most likely take him down. Remember that the Sharigen while posocessing awesome advantages comes with a price and it seems that the higher the level of use and techiniques the worst the price. There's multiple examples and references.

However regardless it would be one hell of a war especially against Kimimaro. The same tatics the leaf ninjas used against the sound 5 (doubling up on them, using the fact that they were underestimated) could also be used against Itachi.

I don't care if you're the second coming of the 1st Hokage, you're still human you still have limits and numbers can eventually win. The big question would be how high of a body count would it take?


i think you got it all wrong..i mean lets break it down for a second

you have itachi who has mastered the sharigan and has a great genjutsu abiltiy..alright cool

now the sound 5

first we have Jirobo - this man has immense physical strength, plus he has the ability to mold the earth..not the planet earth but things like rocks, and so on, and his has his Chakra Absorption Technique...which can be a very big problem when hes fighting against somebody

then we have Kidomaru - the sniper as i like to call him...seriously all this guy has to do is sit back and fire away its not like itachi is going to see it coming..plus the man is probably smarter then shika when it comes to battle tactics

one of my favorites is Sakon - alright suppose itachi has his sharigan on him and is about to use some serious genjutsu on him the same way he did to sasuke..wouldnt it be something if he brother merged into itachi..that right there game over

the chick with the flute is Tayuya - she can also fight from a distance and have her 3 angry demons do the dirty work..she is a master at genjutsu as well but it would be pointless to use it against itachi cause he would just counter it..this is already know

and the greatest of all time and the leader is kimimaro....i mean damn this guy is the next step to god..lol..i mean what did itachi do again..oh yea thats right he killed off his family without then knowning..now that is hardcore...kimi here fought against the hidden village of the mist army at the age of like 5 or something and lived..i think itachi would have a very hard time against kimimaro



so if you put all those into consideration against one person..there is no way in hell that one person is going to take the fight..it just isnt possible or realistic

[kojak488]

There are people who think he can beat Sasori.

I accidentally fell into this thread and wasn't going to respond until I read that sentence!

Sound Five win this fight. Kimmimaro could take out the Sound Four and Itachi could take out Kimmimaro (Tsukuyomi), but he can't do it all at once.

In reference to Chiyo's statement: she said that in response to how are you supposed to beat a sharingan user. Chiyo was simply stating that the sharingan's weakness is in fighting more than one person, which applies to everyone, just to clarify that it didn't give him an advantage in a group fight. What this means is just to clarify that his bloodline limit doesn't enhance that aspect of his fighting--think about how Kimmimaro's kekkei genkai helps him fight more than one person.

So why would Itachi lose? There are too many opponents. Sure, Itachi could rape Kimmimaro with a Tsukuyomi off the start. Now he has four opponents left. These people have the ability to transform to CS2, have teamwork, and a vast range of unknown abilities to Itachi.

Even the sharingan won't allow him to react to every attack that is going to come his way.

[Edit] Kyon, Sasori would destroy the Sound 5 by the way!

[Tousen]

I accidentally fell into this thread and wasn't going to respond until I read that sentence!

Sound Five win this fight. Kimmimaro could take out the Sound Four and Itachi could take out Kimmimaro (Tsukuyomi), but he can't do it all at once.

In reference to Chiyo's statement: she said that in response to how are you supposed to beat a sharingan user. Chiyo was simply stating that the sharingan's weakness is in fighting more than one person, which applies to everyone, just to clarify that it didn't give him an advantage in a group fight. What this means is just to clarify that his bloodline limit doesn't enhance that aspect of his fighting--think about how Kimmimaro's kekkei genkai helps him fight more than one person.

So why would Itachi lose? There are too many opponents. Sure, Itachi could rape Kimmimaro with a Tsukuyomi off the start. Now he has four opponents left. These people have the ability to transform to CS2, have teamwork, and a vast range of unknown abilities to Itachi.

Even the sharingan won't allow him to react to every attack that is going to come his way.

[Edit] Kyon, Sasori would destroy the Sound 5 by the way!

so wait after that long speech you just did..you can back to say that a puppet master can beat 5 people

and to correct you i believe a member from the hyuga clan has a very higher chance fighting again numbers

[TreeofSephri]

This forum is just going down hill. You all act as if the Sound 5 are just going to stand there and do nothing at all. Itachi has shown that he is vulnerable to teamwork. For goodness sakes how can you look at all the Sound 5 skills and honestly say Itachi wins? That is fanboyism at its finest. Allowing your personal bias to overcome logic.

[Tousen]

This forum is just going down hill. You all act as if the Sound 5 are just going to stand there and do nothing at all. Itachi has shown that he is vulnerable to teamwork. For goodness sakes how can you look at all the Sound 5 skills and honestly say Itachi wins? That is fanboyism at its finest. Allowing your personal bias to overcome logic.

i couldnt agree with you better

[drache]

Sabaku, I think you misunderstand my postion.

I don't think Itachi can win in the end. I do believe however that he woudl kill 1 of them at least and probably another one would be in the realm of possiblity.

But eventually Itachi would fall to numbers, lack of chakra, over use of Sharigen, and so on.

The fact seems to be that Itachi is a really good ninja and has learned techiniques that allow him to burn an other wise fire immune frog. And I think the speed of his hand seals and combination of ninjustu, taijustu and genjustu is impressive. But noone is unbeatable and the sound 5 would just be too much for almost anyone.

As for Kimmaro vs Itachi, (both healthy Kimmaro disease free) man that's probably just too close to call. Both have highly developed thier bloodline limits and even more importantly have intergrated those limits seemlessly into thier fighting method.

[Tousen]

Sabaku, I think you misunderstand my postion.

I don't think Itachi can win in the end. I do believe however that he woudl kill 1 of them at least and probably another one would be in the realm of possiblity.

But eventually Itachi would fall to numbers, lack of chakra, over use of Sharigen, and so on.

The fact seems to be that Itachi is a really good ninja and has learned techiniques that allow him to burn an other wise fire immune frog. And I think the speed of his hand seals and combination of ninjustu, taijustu and genjustu is impressive. But noone is unbeatable and the sound 5 would just be too much for almost anyone.

As for Kimmaro vs Itachi, (both healthy Kimmaro disease free) man that's probably just too close to call. Both have highly developed thier bloodline limits and even more importantly have intergrated those limits seemlessly into thier fighting method.


well then if you put it in terms like that i will say one..and most likely be Jirobo the one that lost to choji because seriously if you lost to choji then you must really suck(my personal opinion) but anywho it is stated that he is the weakest out of the 5

but i honestly dont believe it isnt possible to fight off 5 people at the same time tho

[Kyon]

Oh my.

Teamwork: Non-existant. All the Sound 5 have going for them is a title. You assume because they have this title, they automatically have stellar teamwork. We have seen this is not the case. When the 4 went up against Kimimaro, there obviously wasn't good teamwork there. Naruto, Kiba, and Shika, despite having never worked together previously, outmatched them in teamwork.

Sound 5 strengths:

Jirobou: Almost exclusively taijutsu, with some copyable ninjutsu.
Sakon/Ukon: Almost exclusively taijutsu, with some special abilities.
Tayuya: Genjutsu and little band of minions.
Kidoumaro: Long range attacks, armor, sticky web.
Kimimaro: Exclusively taijutsu.

Itachi's strengths:

Unmatched genjutsu
Mangekyo Sharingan
Can predict taijutsu VERY well
Can copy ninjutsu
Can see through genjutsu
Fast seal speed
Exploding bunshin


How Itachi Will Defeat Them:

Use a wide range genjutsu off the bat (yes, it is logical to assume he has one), putting them to sleep. Exploding bunshin makes them go boom. Battle over. Fuck.

:lmao

*waits for people to tear this apart*

[TreeofSephri]

Oh my.

Teamwork: Non-existant. All the Sound 5 have going for them is a title. You assume because they have this title, they automatically have stellar teamwork. We have seen this is not the case. When the 4 went up against Kimimaro, there obviously wasn't good teamwork there. Naruto, Kiba, and Shika, despite having never worked together previously, outmatched them in teamwork.


Sound 5 strengths:

Jirobou: Almost exclusively taijutsu, with some copyable ninjutsu.
Sakon/Ukon: Almost exclusively taijutsu, with some special abilities.
Tayuya: Genjutsu and little band of minions.
Kidoumaro: Long range attacks, armor, sticky web.
Kimimaro: Exclusively taijutsu.

Itachi's strengths:

Unmatched genjutsu
Mangekyo Sharingan
Can predict taijutsu VERY well
Can copy ninjutsu
Can see through genjutsu
Fast seal speed
Exploding bunshin


How Itachi Will Defeat Them:

Use a wide range genjutsu off the bat (yes, it is logical to assume he has one), putting them to sleep. Exploding bunshin makes them go boom. Battle over. Fuck.

:lmao

*waits for people to tear this apart*

I assume they will have stellar teamwork because they are in fact a team. A team of Oro special body guards. They were chosen because they worked well as a team.

You act as if these the Sound 5 are incapable of teamwork when the manga proves the very opposite. Although their teamwork was not as effective its was enough to defeat two jounin and to essentially seal sandaime fate.
I am saying that the summation of all there seperate skills would be too much for Itachi to handle.

Your battle scenario is unsuprisingly biased. First of all it is not fair to assume he has a wide range genjutsu. He is a genjutsu specialist meaning he is good at it not that he knows every genjutsu in the narutoverse. You scenario assumes that they will all stand still and let him have his way. Also you are forgetting that they would also know of the Sharingan capabilites given Oro's lust for its power. It is fair to assume they would know how to fight a sharingan user.

[Tousen]

Oh my.

Teamwork: Non-existant. All the Sound 5 have going for them is a title. You assume because they have this title, they automatically have stellar teamwork. We have seen this is not the case. When the 4 went up against Kimimaro, there obviously wasn't good teamwork there. Naruto, Kiba, and Shika, despite having never worked together previously, outmatched them in teamwork.

Sound 5 strengths:

Jirobou: Almost exclusively taijutsu, with some copyable ninjutsu.
Sakon/Ukon: Almost exclusively taijutsu, with some special abilities.
Tayuya: Genjutsu and little band of minions.
Kidoumaro: Long range attacks, armor, sticky web.
Kimimaro: Exclusively taijutsu.

Itachi's strengths:

Unmatched genjutsu
Mangekyo Sharingan
Can predict taijutsu VERY well
Can copy ninjutsu
Can see through genjutsu
Fast seal speed
Exploding bunshin


How Itachi Will Defeat Them:

Use a wide range genjutsu off the bat (yes, it is logical to assume he has one), putting them to sleep. Exploding bunshin makes them go boom. Battle over. Fuck.

:lmao

*waits for people to tear this apart*

yea this was def going to get torn apart but good call on that tho


im not going to rip it apart i just might tear a little hole..i just wanted to know how is itachi going to dodge Kidoumaro when he is launching arrows from god knows how far away

and yea im sure he is an excellent taijutsu fighter and can predict alot of moves but i dont think he can predict whether or not kimimaro is going to pop him thumb out at him or something if you get what im saying

in other words when they are in a taijutsu battle whose to say that when itachi tries to dodge a punch from kimi whose to say that itachi wont get a bone to the face or a bone to the stomach..i mean yea hes dodge the punches but kimi's bones are unpredictable


and even if he puts all 5 of them to sleep which i find completely impossible unless they are all standing there hand to hand with there eyes wide open wouldnt ukon just pop right out and give everyone time to wake up???

[X]

Obviously, Itachi wins this. The Sound 5 are like weak? Except for Kimimaro.

[capricornken]

no chance at all itachi rocks

[Byakuya]

It would be easy to say Itachi because well, he's the man and all. He could kill them all one by one but not all at once imo

[Rayzr]

Oh my.

Teamwork: Non-existant. All the Sound 5 have going for them is a title. You assume because they have this title, they automatically have stellar teamwork. We have seen this is not the case. When the 4 went up against Kimimaro, there obviously wasn't good teamwork there. Naruto, Kiba, and Shika, despite having never worked together previously, outmatched them in teamwork.

Sound 5 strengths:

Jirobou: Almost exclusively taijutsu, with some copyable ninjutsu.
Sakon/Ukon: Almost exclusively taijutsu, with some special abilities.
Tayuya: Genjutsu and little band of minions.
Kidoumaro: Long range attacks, armor, sticky web.
Kimimaro: Exclusively taijutsu.

Itachi's strengths:

Unmatched genjutsu
Mangekyo Sharingan
Can predict taijutsu VERY well
Can copy ninjutsu
Can see through genjutsu
Fast seal speed
Exploding bunshin


How Itachi Will Defeat Them:

Use a wide range genjutsu off the bat (yes, it is logical to assume he has one), putting them to sleep. Exploding bunshin makes them go boom. Battle over. Fuck.

:lmao

*waits for people to tear this apart*

Nicely said.

My oppinion is same as this.

[Kyon]

I assume they will have stellar teamwork because they are in fact a team. A team of Oro special body guards. They were chosen because they worked well as a team.

Evidence of this? They were probably chosen because they were the most powerful of Oro's subordiantes at the time.

You act as if these the Sound 5 are incapable of teamwork when the manga proves the very opposite. Although their teamwork was not as effective its was enough to defeat two jounin and to essentially seal sandaime fate.
I am saying that the summation of all there seperate skills would be too much for Itachi to handle.

They defeated two special jounin at CS2. The reason they sealed Sandaime's fate was because they can make barriers.

The first argument hurts your opinion, the second one is irrelvant. The manga is actually very irrelevant as well. Guess where we are?

Your battle scenario is unsuprisingly biased.

Okay, hold up. What the fuck are you talking about? The sound 5 should be getting the benefit of this supposed bias, dumbfuck.

I loathe Itachi.

First of all it is not fair to assume he has a wide range genjutsu. He is a genjutsu specialist meaning he is good at it not that he knows every genjutsu in the narutoverse.

I'm not saying he knows all of them, but I'd laugh if he calls himself a genjutsu specialist and can't even perform wide range ones.

You scenario assumes that they will all stand still and let him have his way. Also you are forgetting that they would also know of the Sharingan capabilites given Oro's lust for its power.

I'd break out the anguished Jew macro, but I won't. You think Itachi is just going to stand there picking his nose? He'll exterminate them quickly. As in, not letting them have a chance to attack.

I don't think Oro filled them in, or that they listened. Remember, Chiyo's knowledge was something that sounded unheard of. I doubt the Sound 5 know this.

It is fair to assume they would know how to fight a sharingan user.

O RLY?

yea this was def going to get torn apart but good call on that tho

Ouch.

im not going to rip it apart i just might tear a little hole..i just wanted to know how is itachi going to dodge Kidoumaro when he is launching arrows from god knows how far away

Because he can see them. :oh

and yea im sure he is an excellent taijutsu fighter and can predict alot of moves but i dont think he can predict whether or not kimimaro is going to pop him thumb out at him or something if you get what im saying

Itachi would get freaked the fuck out, but Kimi extending his ribcage didn't kill Lee. Itachi might get scratched, but then he'll know to stay the fuck away.

and even if he puts all 5 of them to sleep which i find completely impossible unless they are all standing there hand to hand with there eyes wide open wouldnt ukon just pop right out and give everyone time to wake up???

Look at Kabuto's genjutsu for evidence of the contrary. Ukon wouldn't pop out, he still is attached to Sakon's chakra system.


There are so many ways Itachi could win it's not even funny. This is just one way.

[drache]

Kyon, that might all be true, but the biggest probelm Itachi would have is Chakra and extended use of his Sharigen. Especially if/when he moves up to MS, consider the times when we've seen him go that far and how quickly it looked like he started to fade.

Itachi is bad ass, but he still has limits and even if there was no team work the sound 5 are still formidable and I don't think even Itachi has enough Chakra for all of them at once.

[Tousen]

so your saying is that itachi sharingan works as well as the byukagan..there is no way in the world that itachi would be able to see a arrow coming from behind him at great speed...so no itachi cant see it..thats y numbers are his weakness

[TWF]

Itachi is a kage level ninja who's genjutsu and ninjutsu skills far surpass those of Orochimaru's. Itachi's genjutsu > Tayuya's abilties. Itachi's ninjutsu > Kidoumaru's + Sakon/Ukon.

Itachi's Kekke Genkai > Kimimaro. Itachi will easily dispatch Tayuya with his genjutsu before she can do anything. Kidoumaru will be out-manuvered and out-smarted by Itachi. Sakon and Ukon will lose to the MS, as will Jirobou and Kimimaro.

Itachi is on a completely different level then all of them at their best.

[phatphish]

in this case kimimaru would be his only opponent. and i think kimimaru would win but it would be close because they both poses bloodline limits

[End]

Itachi can sharingan em burn em and rush em while hand sealin em some high lvl skills so it wouldnt be much of a fight.

[Tousen]

Itachi can sharingan em burn em and rush em while hand sealin em some high lvl skills so it wouldnt be much of a fight.



thats quite the imagination you have

[TWF]

thats quite the imagination you have

Your an anime only watcher correct? When the anime catches up to the manga you will see how much more powerful Itachi is then any of the current characters displayed for most instances barring the Sannin and some of the Akatsuki.

The fact of the matter is Itachi's deceptive use of Kage Bunshins, ninjutsu and genjutsu as well as his Kekke Genkai and MS puts him far ahead of any of the Sound Five's abilities.

[ThoraxeRMG]

Itachi could just create 4 kagebunshins and let them attach themselves to four of the members and let them explode. Use tsukiyomi on kimimaro then burn him alive with ameratsu.


I was gonna say that! Damnit!

[drache]

Your an anime only watcher correct? When the anime catches up to the manga you will see how much more powerful Itachi is then any of the current characters displayed for most instances barring the Sannin and some of the Akatsuki.

The fact of the matter is Itachi's deceptive use of Kage Bunshins, ninjutsu and genjutsu as well as his Kekke Genkai and MS puts him far ahead of any of the Sound Five's abilities.

And I don't disagree with that. What nobody seems to account for it seems is just how much chakra it takes Itachi to keep that level up. And whether or not he'd run out of steam or over use the sharigen before he could take down the sound 5.

[KnightofLightning]

This match is all Itachi. His speed far surpasses Rock Lee's so they could barely hit him. Plus, they cannot even look at Itachi without losing their sanity!

[Dudemancool]

Itachi would take this one. He has insane speed capable of fooling the Sharingan (more then enough to escape the webs or the , crazy genjutsu (that would probably take out all of the sound 4 except Tayuya, and the Mangekyou (which would take out Kimi, the only one who might pose a threat).

[lollipop]

[COLOR="Black"]Itachi wins. He will own sound 5.[COLOR]

[TreeofSephri]

This is fanboyism at its finest.

[Kyon]

So you admit defeat then, ToS?

Because once you start spouting "fanboy" I know you've lost. Because then you have no valid reason and instead attack a person's character preference.

Besides, as I've already said, the Sound 5 should be on the recieving end of this bias. Your fanboy argument fails against me.

[_Amaterasu_]

I assume they will have stellar teamwork because they are in fact a team. A team of Oro special body guards. They were chosen because they worked well as a team.

You act as if these the Sound 5 are incapable of teamwork when the manga proves the very opposite. Although their teamwork was not as effective its was enough to defeat two jounin and to essentially seal sandaime fate.
I am saying that the summation of all there seperate skills would be too much for Itachi to handle.

Your battle scenario is unsuprisingly biased. First of all it is not fair to assume he has a wide range genjutsu. He is a genjutsu specialist meaning he is good at it not that he knows every genjutsu in the narutoverse. You scenario assumes that they will all stand still and let him have his way. Also you are forgetting that they would also know of the Sharingan capabilites given Oro's lust for its power. It is fair to assume they would know how to fight a sharingan user.
I find your kind funny. Lets but down assumptions and opinions in a battle that it non-existant. You have to assume to make this battle happen. So don't pull the "that is just an assumption" trick when you are doing the same thing.

With that aside, think about this. Kimmimaro almost killed the other 4, they argue about every single thing, and they curse at each other. They seem like they would display little-to-no teamwork if at all. Being on the same team does not mean you automatically mean you have teamwork. No where in the manga does it prove that these 5 have good teamwork. They have displayed barely any instances of teamwork. I can think of one, in where they summoned that barrier.

4 of them had to turn CS2 just to beat 2 ordinary jounins. No way in hell these 4 can beat Itachi. Will adding 1 more person tip the odds to 4 chuunin level and 1 jounin level ninja? I can't imagine that considering Itachi basically took on Kurenai and Kakashi at the same time. 2 of Konoha's strongest jounins weren't able to make Itachi sweat.

Itachi is not a genjutsu specialist, he is a genjutsu MASTER. Kurenai is a genjutsu specialist. Big difference, one of Kurenai's strongest genjutsus didn't even make Itachi blink because "that level of genjutsu won't work on me." If Itachi has showed us the strongest genjutsu we have seen, and able to cast a genjutsu from his finger atleast on par with any other genjutsu cast by another person, you don't call that a master? Its logical that he will be able to cast a simple genjutsu to affect 5 people when Kabuto could put to sleep a whole stadium.

Lastly, those 5 don't have to stand still for Itachi to cast a genjutsu. He has shown he can cast it with his finger, or even with his eyes. If your imagining that he won't even have time to lift his finger up, your simply stupid... And it is unfair to assume Itachi can cast a genjutsu affecting all of them, but it is fair to assume that these 5 know everything about the sharingan? Your logic is horribly flawed. You contradict yourself in the same paragraph.



This is my stupidity at its finest.
Fixed it... well a better word would be ignorant. Your opinion isn't law. Just because someone disagree's with you (and for a good reason) they aren't a fanboi.

[TreeofSephri]

No need to use insults. This is a clean debate.

[_Amaterasu_]

No need to use insults. This is a clean debate.

I hardly call ignorant a insult if thats what your refering to.

[durtycheese]

itachi would own the sound 5 in a few minutes.

[Seto Kaiba]

He'd kill them fast.

[Lilith]

Itachi.......

[UchiwaMadara]

itachi can use his jutsu so fast that kakashi can bearly follow with sharingan do you think the sound 5 could follow it + itachi says to kurenai he hasnt even shown his true power yet and he could also breake out jiraya toad stomac thing even tho jiraya said it cant be done so that would say amaratsu is at hte same level as one the sannin jutsu

[ameterasu_41]

Let's see here, numbers is obviously not much of a disadvantage for Itachi since he wiped out one of the strongest clans in Konoha in one night, without breaking a sweat or getting a scratch. Matched up with 4 idiots with no tactical capacity whatsoever, and one really good taijutsu type, he could just eliminate kimi with ameterasu, then it'd be pretty smooth sailing. Hell, the first four were afraid of kakashi, how could they take down Itachi?

[Kumomaru]

If Logic dictates that he would do the most logical thing. Then why did he not kill Sasuke instead of wasting precious chakra to torture him. Although the moments of team work were not spectacular, they none the less were effective. They accomplished there goal didn't they? What you are doing is not assuming but just making up skill in order to support your argument. If we can assume that they have a weakness to genjutsu, I will assume that sharingan cannot predict attacks in order to compensate.

Itachi didn't want Sasuke dead. That's a clear and logical speculation. He's spared his life twice Sasuke has some use for him.

If you look at a logical scale of strength I think it'd bring some light into this.

The sound 5 lost to Genin and one Chunin (my favorite Chunin ever but that's beside the point) after defeating only 2 Jounin by going CS2.

Itachi... slaughtered the entire Uchiha clan when he was 13. The most feared and reveared clan in all of Konoha known throughout the land....

An entire clan vs a handful of Chunin and Genin, adding the fact that Itachi is one man and the sound 5 are 5 kids... I'd have to give this one to Itachi.

[Gunners]

I think Itachi would stomp the shit out of them. At the moment I think Sasuke would. If Sasuke couldn't Orosuke could and Sasuke metioned not being sure whether Orosuke could beat Itachi.

Itachi's level of skill is to high, I don't see him breaking a sweat with these chumps.

[The Av3nger]

Itachi all the way. He can read there moves with his Sharingan, plus he is very good at overall genjutsu. Also, remember his speed. three jounins (Kakashi, Asuma and Kurenai) together could't even see him doing a technique/handseal, let alone that they could see him fight.

This would probably be a easy battle for him, he would't even have to use god of moon or god of sun.

Itachi... slaughtered the entire Uchiha clan when he was 13.

That's a mistake right there. He beacme an ANBU-member when he was 13. He slaughtered his clan when he was 18 or some. (at least i think)

[Kumomaru]

Itachi all the way. He can read there moves with his Sharingan, plus he is very good at overall genjutsu. Also, remember his speed. three jounins (Kakashi, Asuma and Kurenai) together could't even see him doing a technique/handseal, let alone that they could see him fight.

This would probably be a easy battle for him, he would't even have to use god of moon or god of sun.



That's a mistake right there. He beacme an ANBU-member when he was 13. He slaughtered his clan when he was 18 or some. (at least i think)

He became an ANBU Captain at 13. when he was inducted into the ANBU and when he slaughtered his entire clan wasn't very far off. Judging by the Anime/Manga, there seemed to be very little time in between his induction into ANBU and the slaughter of his clan.. still he slaughtered the clan his age doesn't really matter xD. I'm probably off on the age.

[Yashamaru]

A) Wow... so you guys have serious Mangekyo Sharingan side effects problems. Would you be like getting blind?
Itachi wouldn't survive such a match.

1- As a reminder, correct me if I am wrong (might be the case), but the Sound Four went CS2 in front of Konoha's Tokubetsu Jounin because they were in a hurry. They knew they were followed, so had to end the fight fast as they had the Genin on their heels.

2- Tayuya, as many seem to forget, is not only a Genjutsu user. She has her three Doki and they ARE "troublesome" (:) ). So basically, you won't have five people in front of Itachi but height. It is also stated in various data bases that Tayuya is very clever at making up strategies.

3- Sakon can (and will in such a fight) let his brother out. So it's no more height, but nine people fighting against Itachi. Much less easy to deal with already...

4- The Sound Four are usally considered as Chuunin or Low Jounin level. Kimimaro is regarded as Jounin. Check Naruto various data bases.

5- To the people saying that the Sound Four were riped apart by Genin in one-to-one, there are two things to keep in mind. Kiba, Shikamaru, Neji, Choji and later on Lee, were all going to be SMASHED into pieces when the Sand siblings came to save them. The only exceptions are Neji and Choji, who did it on their own, but almost died in the process. So, I'm sorry, but no, they weren't beaten by Konoha's Genin. It was rather the contrary (especially for Kiba and in a lesser extend Shikamaru and Lee).

(Five arguments, just like the Sound Four led by Kimimaro... :kukuku )

B) Now the fight...

As an introduction, to all the theories like: "Wide range genjutsu and then bomb clones: match's over" and such, please be serious a minute. The Sound Four will never stay like that, just waiting for Itachi to cast his genjutsu.
Furthermore, with so many people facing him (remember they are NINE), Itachi WILL BE surrounded. Won't be that easy, even for him, to cast his wide range genjustsu (again)...

The fight in itself...
1-Tayuya and Kidomaru go to mid/long range, while Kimimaro PLUS Jirobo PLUS Sakon PLUS Ukon rush on him. So that's already four people for him to deal with.
2- Now add Tayuya's three Doki, Kidomaru's numerous webs and powerfull arrows come into play: that makes three more close range opponents directed by someone who's at mid/long range and deadly projectiles for Itachi to fight/dodge.

Sorry, I CAN'T even see how Itachi would survive to such a combined attack.

And I don't even take into account Sakon special abilities neither do I with Tayuya's genjutsu and Jirobu ninjutsu as they would be nullified by Itachi's Sharingan.

EDIT: And there are still LOADS of arguments that are left behind like:
1- Kakashi was able to escape from the bomb clone (and save Kurenaï at the same time, don't forget) when he fought Itachi, why on earth the Sound Four Kimimaro couldn't?
2- The Mangekyo Sharingan can only be used against one opponent at the same time. Let's admit that Kimimaro dies by being caught in Tsukyomi, the others just have to rip Itachi apart while he's performing his jutsu.
Etc, etc, etc,.

[I]

itachi will rape the mob...

[TWF]

Why the hell did you bump a thread that was dead since April 17th?

[PisOgPapir]

I hope this is still not up for discussion? And nothing wrong with bumping threads, if they are relevant still.

[BeNicePlz]

Itatchi would absolutely destory them..you are serious underestimatiing Itatchi's strength.

[Ramona Flowers]

Itachi wins, probably.

[General Mustang]

Itachi. 'Nuff said

[Hollow'd Heart]

Itachi....pwns them, sadly....