Taijutsu Tournament!!!!!!!!! [Archive]

Tousen

03-25-2007, 11:50 PM

hello world its me again....

i got this question and i want to know everyones opinion on it

so i had myself a restful and peaceful day today...i sat down and watch naruto all day from 1-god i dont even know what number i ended at but anywho something came to mind today when i was watching some of the battle scenes on the show....

What if there was a taijutsu tournament...which mean that its taijutsu only and everyone uve seen so far was in it...who do u think would take it all and im talking about straight up taijutsu and everyones in it...hell if u think that the fifths little pig tonton will take then just post it here..lol

just one thing tho...dont throw random names up and not give y...and if u think that said someone that u think cant handle then start a debate..ill come back in a week or so and see who picks who the most and declare a winner

:yell All right people...LET'S GET IT ON.......:yell

The Truth

03-26-2007, 12:08 AM

Ignoring the fact that your post doesn't set any specifications, i'd have to say Gai.

Kai

03-26-2007, 12:09 AM

I'm leaning towards Sarutobi or Gai.

Tousen

03-26-2007, 12:14 AM

Ignoring the fact that your post doesn't set any specifications, i'd have to say Gai.

im srry exactly wut specifications do u need in this thread when its called a taijutsu tournament????

The Truth

03-26-2007, 12:24 AM

im srry exactly wut specifications do u need in this thread when its called a taijutsu tournament????
Well if it was a gauntlet format then that would mean that the winners would face the next opponent immediately. So a person like Gai who opens gates would probably lose because his body won't be able to handle using them so often without time to recover.

Also if this was a tournament like you said it was, then you should have listed the matches. Anyway i'm not complaining, just pointing out the obvious.

dest

03-26-2007, 12:31 AM

well not sure if the gentle fist technique is techniqually taijutsu. if so then hiashi hyuuga. if not then gai.

Tousen

03-26-2007, 12:31 AM

oh man would u like me to draw out a bracket from everyone..does it really matter who faces who..in ur opinion i just wanna know who do u think would come out on top

Kyon

03-26-2007, 12:33 AM

Gai .

The Truth

03-26-2007, 12:36 AM

oh man would u like me to draw out a bracket from everyone..does it really matter who faces who..in ur opinion i just wanna know who do u think would come out on top
No i don't want you to draw out a bracket but your title is misleading. It would have been better to ask: "Whose the best taijutsu user in Naruto?" As i said, i'm not complaining or anything, i was just pointing it out.

Tousen

03-26-2007, 12:38 AM

u know i figued guy would pop up from alot of people..but after i just saw neji hand it to naruto during the chunin exams..idk i think neji has almost perfect taijutsu skills..i mean as soon as he gets rid of that me vs the world thing i think he would be awesome...and even tho guy is like 100 times stronger then lee..it is stated that lee has never beaten neji..so what makes u think there would be a difference..i mean sure neji wont win as easly..idk i could be wrong they never did show neji and guy sparing together but i think neji can take guy..i mean it wont be easy or anything but i think he will end up on the top

my choice is neji

The Truth

03-26-2007, 12:57 AM

Mider T

03-26-2007, 12:58 AM

Gai or Kimimaro.

Tousen

03-26-2007, 01:03 AM

Are you a dub watcher? I won't spoil anything for you but I have to disagree, at this point Neji can't beat Gai.

i am a anime watcher..but please post w.e u want..people spoil stuff for me all the time...and it seems like u have proof that neji cant beat guy and i would like to hear it

and please dont give me the whole eight gate story cause ive heard it a million times already...and all neji needs is one hit or simple touch and guys eight gates or however many gates he can open is over..but please post what u got cause i am very curious

Kai

03-26-2007, 01:38 AM

i am a anime watcher..but please post w.e u want..people spoil stuff for me all the time...and it seems like u have proof that neji cant beat guy and i would like to hear it

and please dont give me the whole eight gate story cause ive heard it a million times already...and all neji needs is one hit or simple touch and guys eight gates or however many gates he can open is over..but please post what u got cause i am very curious

Gai stated Lee at 5 gates were the secret to defeating Neji due to the high speed combo that wouldn't even be able to be touched by Neji. If Gai was able to see Lee's movements in the Chuunin exam prelimns, he is a much more refined version of Lee.

Since this is the anime battledome, Neji would have to be pre skip where he is a genin. He can't go up against Gai in Taijutsu.

Mercury Koopa

03-26-2007, 01:44 AM

Nidaime .

Lord Yu

03-26-2007, 01:46 AM

GAINAMIC DESTRUCTION!!!!!

djayleno

03-26-2007, 01:51 AM

Probably zabuza because his sword is the biggest.

Mercury Koopa

03-26-2007, 02:05 AM

Probably zabuza because his sword is the biggest.

Not bigger than Gai's.

Spell

03-26-2007, 06:07 AM

Murderous Intent

03-26-2007, 10:33 AM

Gates aside, I'd say kimimaro or gai. Tough choice really.

Kuya

03-26-2007, 11:35 AM

Taijutsu Tier List

1. Gai
2. Everyone else

Tousen

03-26-2007, 12:29 PM

Gai stated Lee at 5 gates were the secret to defeating Neji due to the high speed combo that wouldn't even be able to be touched by Neji. If Gai was able to see Lee's movements in the Chuunin exam prelimns, he is a much more refined version of Lee.

Since this is the anime battledome, Neji would have to be pre skip where he is a genin. He can't go up against Gai in Taijutsu.

yea gai did say all of that but all of this was before neji faught naruto when they introduced us into nejis rotation and his 64 palms..so im sure if neji even got a hint of which direction gai would be coming from im sure he would us rotation..i mean would it work against such power who knows..but i think you are right since we are mainly talking about pre skip neji

Tousen

03-26-2007, 11:17 PM

Fonz_Kakashi

03-27-2007, 12:08 AM

I'm going to throw Tsunade's name out there....does her chakra-punch still count as taijutsu? I'm not sure, but I think so, judging by the fact that Jyuuken is counted as taijutsu. If so, she's definitely way up there.

By the way Sabaku, thanks for all these threads, you usually pick good fights. It's fun to read.:)

Tousen

03-27-2007, 12:13 AM

hey thanks i usually like to keep things going..and i like arguing with people..especially when i lose cause then i know that..that person can really defend themself

and i forgot all about tsuande..and dont forget her medical stuff with cutting of organs and all that other jazz..or would they consider that ninjutsu...yea but her with her crazy strength def would be a problem to alot of people..i dont think shes fast tho like neji and lee fast

Spell

03-27-2007, 02:27 PM

but anywho i think neji or any hyuga will own except hinata of course...just because they have almost complete 360 degree vision of everything...i mean i can only imagene how that feels but im sure its sick..and im sure its pretty hard to beat someone in a fist fight if they can see everything comingThe vision isn't the only factor that can determinate a winner, there are many other abilities whcich merged together create a thing called taijutsu. Neji had got 360 degree vision and lost to Naruto, had big problems against Kidomarou and nearly died that time. Hyuuga's vision doesn't give instant win.

Tousen

03-27-2007, 03:39 PM

The vision isn't the only factor that can determinate a winner, there are many other abilities whcich merged together create a thing called taijutsu. Neji had got 360 degree vision and lost to Naruto, had big problems against Kidomarou and nearly died that time. Hyuuga's vision doesn't give instant win.

see thats the thing..yea naruto beat it and yea he almost died against kidomarou...but let me break it down for you

naruto did it because he has the luxury of using 2 different chakras..so when his normal chakra was closed he used the foxes chakra...how many other people do u know that has the luxury of doing that???

and kidomarou..lol..this is a taijutsu battle..so there will be no time to hide urself so and so feet away shooting arrows trying to find out where nejis weakspot is..this is hand to hand combat...so again ur wrong because no1 is honestly dont to have the time to gather all the information.

so let i said before i am declaring anyone in the hyuga family a winner because in a taijutsu battle they have the upper hand

Aizen

03-27-2007, 04:44 PM

dynamic entry, need i say more?

Tousen

03-27-2007, 05:16 PM

dynamic entry, need i say more?

yea alot more actually

deathman_CS2SASUKE_DEATH

03-28-2007, 12:06 AM

Not bigger than Gai's.

Gai doesn't even have a sword!

How can he have a bigger sword than Zabuza if he doesn't have one!!!

Maybe Orochimaru or Yondiame!

Sliver Fang

03-28-2007, 12:10 AM

Tousen

03-28-2007, 01:13 AM

I can't believe after all these post i haven't even seen the Godaime's name yet. All she is, is taijitsu and healing. And yet i havent't seen her name. It would be her then Gai, Neji, Rock Lee, then Sakura.

yea i believe someone mentioned the fifth already...i think she would be dangerous because of what she did to kabuto..how she messed up his nerves and its not like alot of people would know what to do at a time like that.....but i still dont see her beating neji just because neji could see all the chakra build up in her hands..when shes trying to attack.

rock lee has never beaten neji so ill just let it at that

i personally think gai vs neji would be a good match up even tho alot of people dont agree with me

sakura...shes a joke..all she did during the shippuuden was landscaping...she crushed up some rocks and knocked a tree over..i dont find her going very fair in a taijutsu tournament

shadow_shika

03-28-2007, 08:08 AM

tsunade would win shes not hokage for nothing

Spell

03-28-2007, 12:39 PM

naruto did it because he has the luxury of using 2 different chakras..so when his normal chakra was closed he used the foxes chakra...how many other people do u know that has the luxury of doing that???
Neji has to perform successfully Hakke at first. How he will be able to do it against Gai?

and kidomarou..lol..this is a taijutsu battle..so there will be no time to hide urself so and so feet away shooting arrows trying to find out where nejis weakspot is..this is hand to hand combat...This was just an example that had to show you, Neji's abilities doesn't give him instant win.
so again ur wrong because no1 is honestly dont to have the time to gather all the information.What information:huh About blind spot? Who would need to know about blind spot in taijutsu battle?

so let i said before i am declaring anyone in the hyuga family a winner because in a taijutsu battle they have the upper hand
Post some evidence, so far you're stating empty words. I can say Gai wins because he can open gates. And?

Please explain how Neji is able to beat Gai? Pre-timeskip Neji wopuld be beaten by gated Lee with easy, he hasn't got any ability to stop him.

And furthermore is this tournament pre-timeskip? It's anime battledome so I suppose post-timeskip Neji's and Gai's abilities weren't shown. If so this is really retarded thread, sorry. Gai and Tsunade are so far the greatest taijutsu users showed in Naruto. They are taijutsu specialists on a level of elite jounin and sannin. Neji is a gennin, he lost in taijutsu against Naruto, while Tsunade defeated him with a single finger.

Oh I've just read you state Neji was 100 times stronger than Lee. That's one of the greatest nonsence I've ever seen. Neji is no near Lee's strength, his combat abilities may be greater but he isn't as strong as him

Tousen

03-28-2007, 01:26 PM

Neji has to perform successfully Hakke at first. How he will be able to do it against Gai?

why does neji have to perform hakke for you act like thats the only thing he has to use to win a battle?????

This was just an example that had to show you, Neji's abilities doesn't give him instant win.

What information:huh About blind spot? Who would need to know about blind spot in taijutsu battle?

thats what i was saying i dont know why you would bring up the point that kidomarou and nejis blind spot..i was saying this is a taijutsu battle no 1 would have the time or luxury to figure that out.

Post some evidence, so far you're stating empty words. I can say Gai wins because he can open gates. And?

idk what kind of proof your looking for..i can call the fight play by play..but i would say that neji is a gentle fist user and it would very difficult to approach him head on since all he needs is one hit and its light out.

Please explain how Neji is able to beat Gai? Pre-timeskip Neji wopuld be beaten by gated Lee with easy, he hasn't got any ability to stop him. And furthermore is this tournament pre-timeskip, it's anime battledome so I suppose post-timeskip Neji's and Gai's abilities weren't shown.

i disagree with u when u say lee would beat neji because of his gates..unless as soon as someone sez fight and lee starts using his gates then maybe but then i still dont think neji would sit back and alot lee to open his gates..especially if he would be able to see the large amounts of chakra flowing through his body

i honestly think that in order for guy to beat neji he would have to approach neji..and since this is a taijutsu battle he would have no other choice and since neji is a gentle fist user it would be very difficult...unless guy is on the defense the whole time trying to avoid being touched..but other then that i dont see alot of people beaten him in a taijutsu battle..maybe kimi but it isnt stated whether or not his bones can stop nejis juken

and if ur putting it as a jonin vs genin of course the jonin comes...im thinking of it as if they were on the same level..but u do have a right to disagree with me when i say neji can beat guy..just depends on how you look at it.

would if be better if i said hinatas father can beat guy????

Spell

03-28-2007, 02:55 PM

why does neji have to perform hakke for you act like thats the only thing he has to use to win a battle?????
Have I ever said that? You broght an argument Naruto won against Neji because of his Kyuubi chakra and no one else has the ability to release chakra after being hit by hakke. I responded that at first Neji has to use hakke successfully. Against Gai its almost impossible.

thats what i was saying i dont know why you would bring up the point that kidomarou and nejis blind spot..i was saying this is a taijutsu battle no 1 would have the time or luxury to figure that out.
Please read my reply one more time. Who needs to know about blind spot if it's a taijutsu battle. No one needs that information. It's useless here.

idk what kind of proof your looking for..i can call the fight play by play..but i would say that neji is a gentle fist user and it would very difficult to approach him head on since all he needs is one hit and its light out.One hit? Ok, my respond then: Gai needs one hit to kill.

i disagree with u when u say lee would beat neji because of his gates..unless as soon as someone sez fight and lee starts using his gates then maybe but then i still dont think neji would sit back and alot lee to open his gates..especially if he would be able to see the large amounts of chakra flowing through his bodyWhat would be Neji able to do against 5 gated Lee? Nothing. His kaiten is useless against this incredible raw power.

i honestly think that in order for guy to beat neji he would have to approach neji..and since this is a taijutsu battle he would have no other choice and since neji is a gentle fist user it would be very difficult...unless guy is on the defense the whole time trying to avoid being touched..but other then that i dont see alot of people beaten him in a taijutsu battle..maybe kimi but it isnt stated whether or not his bones can stop nejis juken Neji won't be able to react to Gai's moves. Gai is faster than Kakashi, Kakashi as all jounins is faster than Neji. It was clearly showed during the fight with Hinata.

and if ur putting it as a jonin vs genin of course the jonin comes...im thinking of it as if they were on the same level..but u do have a right to disagree with me when i say neji can beat guy..just depends on how you look at it.Everythin stated in manga and anime gives a favor to Gai. You can't beat it. I have the right to state it because I bring the evidence, you haven't shown any evidence that could prove your right.

would if be better if i said hinatas father can beat guy????
Yes, that would be probably better. However we haven't seen much of Hiashi's ablities therefore we can't state who is stronger - Gai or Hiashi.

Tousen

03-28-2007, 04:15 PM

lets try this again.

you say guy needs one hit to kill....where did u get that from?

deathman_CS2SASUKE_DEATH

03-28-2007, 10:50 PM

yea alot more actually

You are right. With only that Gai will be dead after! That's right Sabaku.No.Gaara, you go!

Only taijutsu and I think the forth will win! Even if we don't know any of his moves, he is called the 'Yellow Flash' after all!

Tousen

03-28-2007, 10:52 PM

You are right. With only that Gai will be dead after! That's right Sabaku.No.Gaara, you go!

Only taijutsu and I think the forth will win! Even if we don't know any of his moves, he is called the 'Yellow Flash' after all!

thanks for the supprot..whats with the crazy long name..lol

deathman_CS2SASUKE_DEATH

03-28-2007, 10:56 PM

thanks for the supprot..whats with the crazy long name..lol

It just seems kool!

I actually added the DEATH by mistake! My bad!

What name do you like?

Let me guess Sabaku.No.Gaara?

Tousen

03-28-2007, 11:02 PM

It just seems kool!

I actually added the DEATH by mistake! My bad!

What name do you like?

Let me guess Sabaku.No.Gaara?

its not the fact of liking names..i just saw it and i was like wow thats the longest one ive seen so far..well if u wanna get rid of the deathman part there is a thread or area whichever word you prepare where you can change your name

actually i like gaara better but that name was already taken

Spell

03-29-2007, 07:56 AM

lets try this again.

you say guy needs one hit to kill....where did u get that from?
You say Neji needs one hit to kill. Where did you get that from?

The answer is: manga/anime.

Tousen

03-29-2007, 10:18 AM

The Gentle Fist style of combat aims to damage the body's chakra circulatory system, thus inhibiting an opponent's use of chakra. To do this, the user will forcefully insert a small amount of their own chakra into an opponent's chakra circulatory system, causing the targeted area to rupture or divert flow. Alternatively, or as an added bonus, the same method can be used to damage the opponent's internal organs, to which the chakra circulatory system is closely tied. Even the slightest tap from this style can cause major damage, hence the name. Because the chakra circulatory system is invisible, the Byakugan is required for this style to be used effectively. Because there is no way to train the internal organs against injury, this technique is capable of causing damage no matter how physically powerful the opponent

got this from a website..if you need more proof ill give you the link...lol

Tmb04

03-29-2007, 11:07 AM

Gai or Young Sandaime (If thats allowed)

Tousen

03-29-2007, 11:08 AM

no thats not a real character....is he even good at taijutsu

Tmb04

03-29-2007, 11:10 AM

He was the Best of the Best. Said to be the Greatest Shinobi ever. Plus you didnt Specify any Rules. And besides Young Sandaime already made an appearence in the Anime

Tousen

03-29-2007, 11:13 AM

thats like me saying neji at the age of 27 when he will most likely be in his prime or guy at 20

i mean seriously

Tmb04

03-29-2007, 11:18 AM

You should Have posted this in the Manga Battledome then..... As long as they made an appearence in the anime, by your rules....They're allowed...
Neji was only in the Pre Skip so far, So that means this is 13-14 yr old Neji...
Sandaime Was Trained By the Shodai and The Nidaime, and was Hokage when he was in his teenage years.... He would've won then also

Tousen

03-29-2007, 11:51 AM

fine then..that is a good point..i cant argue with that..but since you are saying him i hope u have some facts on why you would say he can win

Tmb04

03-29-2007, 12:09 PM

hmmm God Of Shinobi, A true Genius, Trained by the 1st and 2nd hokage, Youngest Leader in Konoha ever, Probably Knows the Secrets of all clans, But His Taijutsu skills were top notch in his old age, yes even better than Neji's. A younger version would just be more Devastating

Tousen

03-29-2007, 12:18 PM

i just realized i have no clue who that is

Tmb04

03-29-2007, 12:21 PM

Have no idea who who is? Sandaime?

Tousen

03-29-2007, 12:22 PM

yea..no clue..my mind draws a blank

Tmb04

03-29-2007, 12:23 PM

hmmmmm Nice excuse :P

Spell

03-29-2007, 12:23 PM

Tousen

03-29-2007, 12:52 PM

yes i did actually

whats your point?

deathman_CS2SASUKE_DEATH

03-29-2007, 01:54 PM

its not the fact of liking names..i just saw it and i was like wow thats the longest one ive seen so far..well if u wanna get rid of the deathman part there is a thread or area whichever word you prepare where you can change your name

actually i like gaara better but that name was already taken

Well I like just CS2 SASUKE, but someone has that too! So I just wrote whatever because I was so excited to join Naruto Forums!

deathman_CS2SASUKE_DEATH

03-29-2007, 01:56 PM

Sandiame is the Third Hokage!

We don't really know his prime, but we know he was stronger back than! We even don't know if he is good at taijutsu!

Tmb04

03-29-2007, 02:00 PM

Sandiame is the Third Hokage!

We don't really know his prime, but we know he was stronger back than! We even don't know if he is good at taijutsu!

The data book says his taijutsu was ALL the way up in his old age..

Sliver Fang

03-29-2007, 02:31 PM

Sandiame is the Third Hokage!

We don't really know his prime, but we know he was stronger back than! We even don't know if he is good at taijutsu!

how can you say that we don't know how good he was at taijistus when we saw him handle the first and second at the begging of the battle with taijitsu.

deathman_CS2SASUKE_DEATH

03-29-2007, 02:35 PM

how can you say that we don't know how good he was at taijistus when we saw him handle the first and second at the begging of the battle with taijitsu.

That wasn't really taijutsu! It was really just a couple of hits and two explosive tags! That's it OKAY!

:mad:mad :mad :mad :mad

Tousen

03-29-2007, 02:58 PM

that is true..that really wasnt an all out taijutsu battle..so we really dont know what hes about

and im surprised no1 said oro...i mean yea no1 has seen him in hand to hand combat but after watching him take a beating from the fifth and walking away...you gotta say the man knows how to take a beating..he could probably wear the shyt outta poeple

deathman_CS2SASUKE_DEATH

03-29-2007, 03:36 PM

I know Sabaku.No.Gaara, Oro sucks! I mean after that beating from the fith he was lucky he even survived!

Tousen

03-29-2007, 03:39 PM

what do u mean he sucks..i think oro is prone to taking a beating...i mean if it was anyone else they would of been K.O but he took her punchs like a champ

deathman_CS2SASUKE_DEATH

03-29-2007, 03:48 PM

Well yeah, but if he didn't learn that boby swicthing move he would be dead!!!

Other wise he is strong, he is the strongest sannin!!

Tousen

03-29-2007, 04:00 PM

oh of course same with the fifth...or w.e she uses

Spell

03-29-2007, 05:08 PM

yes i did actually

whats your point?
So please respond appropriately.

Tousen

03-29-2007, 05:09 PM

oh god i give up on you

what is your arguement anyway????

Mercury Koopa

03-29-2007, 06:41 PM

Well yeah, but if he didn't learn that boby swicthing move he would be dead!!!

Other wise he is strong, he is the strongest sannin!!

WRONG.

Jiraiya is the strongest Sannin.

Tousen

03-29-2007, 07:02 PM

WRONG.

Jiraiya is the strongest Sannin.

you really think so???

#1 Shikamaru fan

03-29-2007, 08:18 PM

I think that Sarutobi kills everyone since he knows every jutsu in the village. He is a Hokage after all.

Sliver Fang

03-29-2007, 10:04 PM

WRONG.

Jiraiya is the strongest Sannin.

Please Tsunade can kill him with one punch. (if it lands of course) (^_^)

Tousen

03-29-2007, 10:17 PM

I think that Sarutobi kills everyone since he knows every jutsu in the village. He is a Hokage after all.

he is a hokage and he is dead..so i thihnk that proves your theory very wrong huh???

so the point of knowing all the jutsu in the village when ur six feet under is pretty meaningless isnt it..lol

Sliver Fang

03-29-2007, 10:37 PM

he is a hokage and he is dead..so i thihnk that proves your theory very wrong huh???

so the point of knowing all the jutsu in the village when ur six feet under is pretty meaningless isnt it..lol

just because he is dead that doesn't mean that we can't think he is good at tai-jitsu? or what?

beside you never set any rules regulating agaist dead people or did you just make that rule?

demo7up

03-29-2007, 10:42 PM

I would have to say GAI

KFC

03-29-2007, 10:54 PM

I think that Sarutobi kills everyone since he knows every jutsu in the village. He is a Hokage after all.

Too bad this is a Taijutsu contest...

Esponer

03-29-2007, 11:02 PM

Too bad this is a Taijutsu contest...
And taijutsu are jutsu. Although Gai probably knows all Konoha taijutsu techniques excluding those requiring the Byakugan.

demo7up

03-29-2007, 11:04 PM

And taijutsu are jutsu. Although Gai probably knows all Konoha taijutsu techniques excluding those requiring the Byakugan.

agreed ....! :)

Tousen

03-29-2007, 11:06 PM

just because he is dead that doesn't mean that we can't think he is good at tai-jitsu? or what?

beside you never set any rules regulating agaist dead people or did you just make that rule?

no you are right i didnt declare w.e or not being alive counts and no im not making up rules as i go..i just thought people would use more sense and say someone that is alive rather then being dead

but if that is the case then..someone might as well say neji's father or sasuke's father..or hell im feeling a little bit spicy why not say the whole uchiha clan

do i have any proof that they are good at taijutsu or that they will take the tournament if there is one...NO and you wanna know why..because they DEAD

Hamaru

03-29-2007, 11:06 PM

Hiashi would have the best taijutsu unless Neji has passed him up already. Gai already said that the gentle fist style was better.

Tousen

03-29-2007, 11:08 PM

and so because guy knows pretty much all the taijutsu in konoha..that makes him a winner because???

i mean how many other hidden villages are in naruto..how many different types of fighting style you think they are....you people need to think outside the box

Yasashiku

03-29-2007, 11:09 PM

You do know guys..... bloodlines aren't really counted as genjutsu or ninjutsu, unless it was the mangekyou which casts genjutsu, but Kakashi could actually own in taijutsu. If you do recall, he did teach Sasuke those taijutsu moves that almost surpassed Lee in the old chuunin exams. And now, as an older Jounin in the Shippuden episodes, he could have a better taijutsu talent, and he can use his sharringan to copy taijutsu moves, or get use to dodging other enemies moves, like Gai. So.... can you agree with me that Kakashi would actually own Gai in taijutsu?

Tousen

03-29-2007, 11:09 PM

Hiashi would have the best taijutsu unless Neji has passed him up already. Gai already said that the gentle fist style was better.

thank you..for some reason i tried explaining that to everyboy..but since guy knows the 8 gates..it makes him unstoppable...even tho gaara got up and walked away when lee used i think it was either 5 or 6 gates

Tousen

03-29-2007, 11:11 PM

Yasashiku

03-29-2007, 11:21 PM

i agree with you to a certain point...im sure kakashi would do great in a taijutsu battle..but do you think hes sharingan would work against someone like neji who uses gentle fist??

Well you got me there, but this will get into a large conflict of the Bya... can't spell it, but yeah VS. Sharingan, but Kakashi can tell where moves are about to hit him anyways, and he could dodge neji's moves. And if Kakashi can counter that and use his secret taijutsu move.... lol. (hidden finger jutsu :laugh )

Tousen

03-29-2007, 11:26 PM

Well you got me there, but this will get into a large conflict of the Bya... can't spell it, but yeah VS. Sharingan, but Kakashi can tell where moves are about to hit him anyways, and he could dodge neji's moves. And if Kakashi can counter that and use his secret taijutsu move.... lol. (hidden finger jutsu :laugh )

so suppose kakashi is somehow able to follow nejis moves and counters it..do you really think 1000 years of pain would work on someone who can see at a 360 degree radius????

and i think kakashi would need to see the moves first to be able to copy it..i think thats how the sharingan works but then again i dont know because im not very found of it..i just like the way it looks

Yasashiku

03-29-2007, 11:53 PM

Tousen

03-30-2007, 12:21 AM

Yeah you're right, but then again... doesn't the bya.... not even going to spell it, count as ninjutsu? And even if it doesn't, I believe the hyuuga's attacks that block chakra points are ninjutsu due to the chakra shot out of their palms used for it.

well the Byakugan is a kekki genkia..so no that doesnt count a a jutsu...as for the gentle fist style..i looked it up and it actually said that its type is unknown so maybe it is a jutsu..its kinda like lee opening his gates..that is also a unknown fact of what it is really considerd

Spell

03-30-2007, 07:50 AM

oh god i give up on you

what is your arguement anyway????

I want you to show me why you believe Neji could beat Gai in taijutsu match. You've posted a description of gentle fist and it has nothing to do with the proof.

well the Byakugan is a kekki genkia..so no that doesnt count a a jutsu...as for the gentle fist style..i looked it up and it actually said that its type is unknown so maybe it is a jutsu..its kinda like lee opening his gates..that is also a unknown fact of what it is really considerdEvery skill/technique is a jutsu so activated Byakuugan is a jutsu, hakke is a taijutsu and hachimon as well.

demo7up

03-30-2007, 09:24 AM

I want you to show me why you believe Neji could beat Gai in taijutsu match. You've posted a description of gentle fist and it has nothing to do with the proof.

Every skill/technique is a jutsu so activated Byakuugan is a jutsu, hakke is a taijutsu and hachimon as well.

I think it would be a good match to see gentle fist VS. eight gates??

Tousen

03-30-2007, 10:26 AM

I want you to show me why you believe Neji could beat Gai in taijutsu match. You've posted a description of gentle fist and it has nothing to do with the proof.
alright so you say i have no proof...honestly i dont..but what is ur proof stating that guy can beat neji in a taijutsu match

Every skill/technique is a jutsu so activated Byakuugan is a jutsu, hakke is a taijutsu and hachimon as well.

correct me if im wrong but im going to have to disagree with you because if a kekki genkia's were considerd a jutsu wouldnt that nean that the sharingan would be able to copy it since it can copy all jutsus???

03-30-2007, 10:59 AM

Neji. Because he has Kaiten. Kaiten>Melee :P

Spell

03-30-2007, 11:18 AM

alright so you say i have no proof...honestly i dont..but what is ur proof stating that guy can beat neji in a taijutsu match
I've already stated it.

correct me if im wrong but im going to have to disagree with you because if a kekki genkia's were considerd a jutsu wouldnt that nean that the sharingan would be able to copy it since it can copy all jutsus???There are jutsus that cannot be copied and used because the caster is not able to match the requirements. For example sharingan can't copy MS Tsukuyomi. Byakuugan may not be a jutsu but its abilities could be considered as jutsus, Hyuuga has to activate it if he wants to use its ablities.

Tousen

03-30-2007, 11:23 AM

i dont know what else you want me to say to you...you still havent conviced me why neji would not come out on top

Sliver Fang

03-30-2007, 11:25 AM

no you are right i didnt declare w.e or not being alive counts and no im not making up rules as i go..i just thought people would use more sense and say someone that is alive rather then being dead

but if that is the case then..someone might as well say neji's father or sasuke's father..or hell im feeling a little bit spicy why not say the whole uchiha clan

do i have any proof that they are good at taijutsu or that they will take the tournament if there is one...NO and you wanna know why..because they DEAD

i see what you mean but what i'm just saying is that if he thinks the third is the best at taijitsu then so be. you didn't need to get so pissed off just because he thinks a dead guy is the best at jitsu.

Kool off dude.

Tousen

03-30-2007, 11:28 AM

i see what you mean but what i'm just saying is that if he thinks the third is the best at taijitsu then so be. you didn't need to get so pissed off just because he thinks a dead guy is the best at jitsu.

Kool off dude.

lol...no where close to being pissed off..lol

im just very sarcastic at times...lol

Sliver Fang

03-30-2007, 12:17 PM

How can you not be convinced yet that Neji can't beat Gai.

Guy can beat Neji only because of these reasons

1) he has faster speed

2) he is ranked higher (Jonin) (i know ranked doesn't matter)

3) he was Neji's Sensi so he knows about neji's skills

4) he had more experince and taijitslu is his specialtiy. (i know same with Neji)

if it was post then it would be different but it is pre and this is the anime battledome so neji can't win.

Tousen

03-30-2007, 12:24 PM

so you all believe that guy can win the whole thing in a taijutsu tournament???

Sliver Fang

03-30-2007, 01:14 PM

No! I don't think he can win the tournament but he will win if he faces Neji. The winner in this tournament is clearly Tsunade or Godiame.

Tousen

03-30-2007, 01:28 PM

No! I don't think he can win the tournament but he will win if he faces Neji. The winner in this tournament is clearly Tsunade or Godiame.

lol...you see i was actually starting to believe everything you say until you pulled that out...you honestly think she can win the tournament or are you just saying that because you are a fan

Sliver Fang

03-30-2007, 01:37 PM

lol...you see i was actually starting to believe everything you say until you pulled that out...you honestly think she can win the tournament or are you just saying that because you are a fan

No i actually think she will win this.

Why?

1) she was a specailist in med-nin and TAIJITSU

2) She can kill people in one hit. (not alot of people can do that)

3) Her nerve attack is very devestating. (i just don't see how people can deal with this. not everyone is Kabuto so they won't know it was a nerve attack until it was too late)

(I am also a fan of her but she will win this) (^_^)

Tousen

03-30-2007, 01:47 PM

No i actually think she will win this.

Why?

1) she was a specailist in med-nin and TAIJITSU

2) She can kill people in one hit. (not alot of people can do that)

3) Her nerve attack is very devestating. (i just don't see how people can deal with this. not everyone is Kabuto so they won't know it was a nerve attack until it was too late)

(I am also a fan of her but she will win this) (^_^)

alright so i guess its me vs you then..lol

alright here are some reason y i think neji can beat the fifth

1) he is a taijutsu fighter

2)i believe he is faster then the fifth plus he has his kekki genkia which lets see w.e she is coming

3) one touch from him and her super strength is gone which would put her in a very shitty situation

Spell

03-31-2007, 08:15 AM

you still havent conviced me why neji would not come out on topBecause you ignore my statements. Neji has no chances against Gai. Pre-timeskip neji is at most high chuunin level shinobi while Gai is an elite jounin. Both of them specialize in taijutsu. Now think a little to realize how big the difference is.

Tousen

03-31-2007, 10:30 AM

Because you ignore my statements. Neji has no chances against Gai. Pre-timeskip neji is at most high chuunin level shinobi while Gai is an elite jounin. Both of them specialize in taijutsu. Now think a little to realize how big the difference is.

alright since we are starting this all over..so you think during the whole fight neji wont lay a finger on guy?

I Я Sayo

03-31-2007, 10:32 AM

1 sarutobi i think :o

2 the gates gai/lee

3 kakashi ....hes the smex ...or and tsunade

Tousen

03-31-2007, 10:36 AM

1 sarutobi i think :o

2 the gates gai/lee

3 kakashi ....hes the smex ...or and tsunade

well the third i would say yay or nah 2 cause you really dont see him fight so who knows..but im sure he will rock

maybe yes to gai...im still debating on how it would be between him and neji...i dont think lee would make it due to the fact the he is kinda on a loosing streak..maybe if he was giving some sake then sure..lol

kakashi..idk..depends who he fights..idk what smex means

and i dont think the fifth is fast enough to handle some of the other fighters

I Я Sayo

03-31-2007, 10:49 AM

well the third i would say yay or nah 2 cause you really dont see him fight so who knows..but im sure he will rock

maybe yes to gai...im still debating on how it would be between him and neji...i dont think lee would make it due to the fact the he is kinda on a loosing streak..maybe if he was giving some sake then sure..lol

kakashi..idk..depends who he fights..idk what smex means

and i dont think the fifth is fast enough to handle some of the other fighters

i just thought sarutobi cuz he was told the god of shinobi ....so im sure thats taijutsu indeed. (shinobi rule nr.1 :P)

yeah i didnt see lee for some time but as we all know him im sure he trained as hard as he could... hes still a genius of hard work.

gai...hmm i came to him after i saw him fighting against the kisame "duplication" .... and they are nearly to the same strength of the originals.
he vs neji? thats a hard decision of course but gai has lots more experience then neji does.

smex means kinda ...hum hard to say..... just like hes the pwn (he rocks)

taijutsu combined with her medical abilities ...i think thats a very good way to get the enemy. and im sure shes got any kind of special taijutsu to go against most of the other shinobis.... otherwise she wouldnt be the hokage. smile-big

~sayo

Tousen

03-31-2007, 11:38 AM

well i think she was hokage on a limb..i mean first they wanted jiyara..i mean yea shes doing a great job..but i think the only main reason is because she was trained by the third

I Я Sayo

03-31-2007, 11:51 AM

well i think she was hokage on a limb..i mean first they wanted jiyara..i mean yea shes doing a great job..but i think the only main reason is because she was trained by the third

yeah of course she got hokage on a limb because they needed someone to represent the power of konoha again.

but i still think shes someone that shouldnt be underestimated .... if anybody gets a hit ...hes down >.o

but in fact ure right yes..... btw ...nice gaara fanvid in ur sig

Tousen

03-31-2007, 11:57 AM

yeah of course she got hokage on a limb because they needed someone to represent the power of konoha again.

but i still think shes someone that shouldnt be underestimated .... if anybody gets a hit ...hes down >.o

but in fact ure right yes..... btw ...nice gaara fanvid in ur sig

that is true she is pretty dangerous and unpredictable....especially because of that healing jutsu she has..i think tsuande would go far in a tournamnet but i honestly dont think she would take it all

i dont think she would be able to handle lee's or gai speed plus there strong fist fighting style or the hyugas gentle fist

Spell

03-31-2007, 12:55 PM

alright since we are starting this all over..so you think during the whole fight neji wont lay a finger on guy?I don't know, maybe he will. But he isn't able to win for sure.

Tmb04

03-31-2007, 01:05 PM

alright since we are starting this all over..so you think during the whole fight neji wont lay a finger on guy?

Even if he could Hit Gai once, So what? Do you really expect Gai to go down in one hit even if its from Neji's style? It took a long ass time to make Hinata go down. Gai would last a hell of alot longer....

Roxas

03-31-2007, 01:08 PM

Gia:the god of Taijutsu, with his all powerful "dynamic entry"

I Я Sayo

03-31-2007, 01:36 PM

that is true she is pretty dangerous and unpredictable....especially because of that healing jutsu she has..i think tsuande would go far in a tournamnet but i honestly dont think she would take it all

i dont think she would be able to handle lee's or gai speed plus there strong fist fighting style or the hyugas gentle fist

yay thats right.... she got pwned by kabuto either ...yeah cuz of his medjutsu but also of his tai-fightingstyle. and back then she has no speed at all :notrust

Kai

03-31-2007, 01:45 PM

he is a hokage and he is dead..so i thihnk that proves your theory very wrong huh???

so the point of knowing all the jutsu in the village when ur six feet under is pretty meaningless isnt it..lol

In the databook, Sandaime had 5/5 max in taijutsu.

Neji is a Jounin while Gai is an Elite Jounin. Gai has been his sensei for quite a while, and developed a strategy for Lee to defeat him. Neji would no way in hell defeat Gai in taijutsu; and btw, the Byakugan is a ninjutsu.

Gai or Sarutobi most likely wins this tournament.

Sliver Fang

03-31-2007, 02:34 PM

alright so i guess its me vs you then..lol

alright here are some reason y i think neji can beat the fifth

1) he is a taijutsu fighter

2)i believe he is faster then the fifth plus he has his kekki genkia which lets see w.e she is coming

3) one touch from him and her super strength is gone which would put her in a very shitty situation

I can say pretty much the same thing about Tsunade and so can you with Neji. Except one thing different is that if Tsunade touch Neji he will be more then in a shitty situation. He'll be dead.

Even if Tsunade doesn't feel like killing him she can use her nerve attack then Neji will be in a even more shitty position then Tsunade would be.

Tsunade have also been living a long time so she maybe knows a thing or two about the eye of death. She maybe even know as much as how to defeat it. ( i highly doubt this, but hey can happen)<-----highly doubt this statement

These are the reason i still think she can take the tournament.

Tousen

03-31-2007, 04:49 PM

In the databook, Sandaime had 5/5 max in taijutsu.

Neji is a Jounin while Gai is an Elite Jounin. Gai has been his sensei for quite a while, and developed a strategy for Lee to defeat him. Neji would no way in hell defeat Gai in taijutsu; and btw, the Byakugan is a ninjutsu.

Gai or Sarutobi most likely wins this tournament.

how is the byakugan ninjutsu if its a kekki genkia???

and i hope you do know this is the anime section so we arent on jonin neji or this strategy that they have for him...but yeah i would agree on you saying that gai is neji's sensei so i would imagene guy would be able to counter him

Tousen

03-31-2007, 04:53 PM

I don't know, maybe he will. But he isn't able to win for sure.

alrigth so we wil go from there...one touch from either one of them will cause major problems..guy has his strong fist which will break bones and neji has his gentle fist which can attack the organs and such

but after further reviewing i give this debate to you just for the simple fact that guy is nejis sensei and im sure they spar together and im sure would have some way on countering nejis attacks..but that is my only reason

deathman_CS2SASUKE_DEATH

03-31-2007, 08:54 PM

I think it would be a good match to see gentle fist VS. eight gates??

That will be too easy for eight gates to kill gentle fist!

It will be overkill totaly!

Tousen

03-31-2007, 09:17 PM

That will be too easy for eight gates to kill gentle fist!

It will be overkill totaly!

or it would be easier for the gentle fist to stop 8 gates all together??

Sliver Fang

03-31-2007, 09:55 PM

^ Huh! What do you mean? Are you trying to say that if Neji stop the chakara flow first then they can't open his gates? But will that work anyways. I thought that opening the gates force the flow of chakara or it makes more chakara comes out. So even if Neji stops the flow can't they still open the gates anyways. Cause openning up the gates force the flow of chakara to come.

Tsunade will take this touranment anyways i still say.

Tousen

03-31-2007, 10:43 PM

Sliver Fang

04-01-2007, 12:26 PM

i really have no clue that is a good point

you think tsuande can beat kimimarou

what do you mean by that isn't a good point. I'm saying that Neji can stop the flow of chakara but i don't think it can stop the flow f chakara when lee or gai open their gates because won't they still force chakara out because isn't that what openning gates do?

And yes i do think Tsunade will beat Kiminarou but she will have a hard time against him. It won't be a easy battle against him what so ever but she will prove herself at the end when she wins the Tournament.

Tousen

04-01-2007, 12:42 PM

what do you mean by that isn't a good point. I'm saying that Neji can stop the flow of chakara but i don't think it can stop the flow f chakara when lee or gai open their gates because won't they still force chakara out because isn't that what openning gates do?

And yes i do think Tsunade will beat Kiminarou but she will have a hard time against him. It won't be a easy battle against him what so ever but she will prove herself at the end when she wins the Tournament.

no no no i said that IS a good point..i honestly have no clue on how to answer that because they havent fought each other like that yet..so i really dont have answer to it..but i dont see y the gates wouldnt reopen all of the closed chakra points

Sliver Fang

04-01-2007, 01:24 PM

no no no i said that IS a good point..i honestly have no clue on how to answer that because they havent fought each other like that yet..so i really dont have answer to it..but i dont see y the gates wouldnt reopen all of the closed chakra points

sorry i misunderstood your post from before.

And yes, we can't really decide between kim and tsunade but all we can do is assume so if i do that i think she will win against him.

Tousen

04-01-2007, 03:43 PM

sorry i misunderstood your post from before.

And yes, we can't really decide between kim and tsunade but all we can do is assume so if i do that i think she will win against him.

well then im going to have to disagree with u on that..because there is no way she is taking kimi down

1. hes way to fast for her
2. his bones will stop pretty much every throw she tires to him with
3.plus he has the curse seal mark

Spell

04-02-2007, 04:31 AM

but after further reviewing i give this debate to you just for the simple fact that guy is nejis sensei and im sure they spar together and im sure would have some way on countering nejis attacks..but that is my only reasonThat's not a good reason. Gai wins because he is better, not because he is Neji's sensei.

1. hes way to fast for her
Evidence? Tsunade can keep up with Orochimaru's speed, she is a sannin. Kimi was beaten by Gaara who was no near sannin level.
2. his bones will stop pretty much every throw she tires to him withHis bones are nothing compared to the strength of her hits

3.plus he has the curse seal markKido, Tayuya, Sakon/Ukon and Jirobou could and what? They lost to genins.

Tousen

04-02-2007, 10:24 AM

That's not a good reason. Gai wins because he is better, not because he is Neji's sensei.
well i dont think guy is better then neji but i still think that over the time guy would of developed a away to counter nejis gentle fist same way he can counter kakashi's sharingan...so either you take it or leave it

Evidence? Tsunade can keep up with Orochimaru's speed, she is a sannin. Kimi was beaten by Gaara who was no near sannin level.

huh yea kimi was beaten by his health not gaara...and as much of a gaara fan i am..i will be the first to admit that if kimi was 100% healthy he would of stuck gaara up like a pin cushion..so no gaara did it beat him..he might of win the fight but he didnt beat him

His bones are nothing compared to the strength of her hitsHis bones are nothing compared to the strength of her hits

what good are her hits if she wont be able to land then propperly..i mean kimi was even able to stop lee's reverse lotus plus with lee i think opening 1-2 gates...he stopped his kick with his bones...kimi is allowed to stop attacks like that..so tsuande wouldnt do much...plus if she does do anything she would be hitting some hard ass bone cause no even lee could break his bones and thats the only way he fits

Kido, Tayuya, Sakon/Ukon and Jirobou could and what? They lost to genins.

yea and they all lost to kimi as well so whats your point???
and honeslty if it wasnt for the sound invasion..i think more people would of became chunin's but thats just my opinion.

Sliver Fang

04-02-2007, 08:44 PM

huh yea kimi was beaten by his health not gaara...and as much of a gaara fan i am..i will be the first to admit that if kimi was 100% healthy he would of stuck gaara up like a pin cushion..so no gaara did it beat him..he might of win the fight but he didnt beat him

first of all i agree with you on this comment all the way.

yea and they all lost to kimi as well so whats your point???
and honeslty if it wasnt for the sound invasion..i think more people would of became chunin's but thats just my opinion.

Yes i agree with you here too.

what good are her hits if she wont be able to land then propperly..i mean kimi was even able to stop lee's reverse lotus plus with lee i think opening 1-2 gates...he stopped his kick with his bones...kimi is allowed to stop attacks like that..so tsuande wouldnt do much...plus if she does do anything she would be hitting some hard ass bone cause no even lee could break his bones and thats the only way he fits

This is where you went wrong. She can beat him even without hitting Kim. She can hit the ground and make cracks and send them flying at him. Not only that but Lee uses a little bit diferent kind of taijitsu than Tsunade. Lee tries to break the bones while tsunades tries to do the same thing but she does it in a different way. By releasing chakara at the right time she can do massive damnage. Which will cause stronger and more effective damnage than Lee. (if it hits)

And beside she is a sannin who knows nerve attacks. I really don't know if this will work on Kim (if it even hits that is) but i think this will give a handicape to kim for a while and give Tsunade an advantage.

(Since this a taijitsu touranment i can't say Katysu-her boss summon.) <-------------------Oh well She can still take him but won't be easy for her. this will be a hell of a fight for her.

Tousen

04-02-2007, 08:48 PM

first of all i agree with you on this comment all the way.

Yes i agree with you here too.

This is where you went wrong. She can beat him even without hitting Kim. She can hit the ground and make cracks and send them flying at him. Not only that but Lee uses a little bit diferent kind of taijitsu than Tsunade. Lee tries to break the bones while tsunades tries to do the same thing but she does it in a different way. By releasing chakara at the right time she can do massive damnage. Which will cause stronger and more effective damnage than Lee. (if it hits)

And beside she is a sannin who knows nerve attacks. I really don't know if this will work on Kim (if it even hits that is) but i think this will give a handicape to kim for a while and give Tsunade an advantage.

(Since this a taijitsu touranment i can't say Katysu-her boss summon.) <-------------------Oh well She can still take him but won't be easy for her. this will be a hell of a fight for her.

well im glad your starting to agree with me..lol

but like you said she can do all that stuff if she contects..because he is able to move his bones around to stop attacks to it all matters if she connects...and i dont think tsuande can handle his curse seal transformation..i mean honeslty kimi is a beast and besides that he is also a s-rank ninja which is pretty much on the same level as sanin

Sliver Fang

04-02-2007, 10:20 PM

well im glad your starting to agree with me..lol

but like you said she can do all that stuff if she contects..because he is able to move his bones around to stop attacks to it all matters if she connects...and i dont think tsuande can handle his curse seal transformation..i mean honeslty kimi is a beast and besides that he is also a s-rank ninja which is pretty much on the same level as sanin

nice point. You got me there? i don't know what else to say because all i needed to say i already post. but you did get me here.

Tousen

04-02-2007, 10:22 PM

nice point. You got me there? i don't know what else to say because all i needed to say i already post. but you did get me here.

hey you did a good job

Kai

04-03-2007, 01:10 AM

His bones are nothing compared to the strength of her tits

Sorry, I just had to change it.

durtycheese

04-03-2007, 02:40 AM

how in the hell do people think tsunade cant beat kimmimaro.....

Spell

04-03-2007, 05:33 AM

well i dont think guy is better then neji but i still think that over the time guy would of developed a away to counter nejis gentle fist same way he can counter kakashi's sharingan...so either you take it or leave itYou don't think Gai is better than pre-timeskip Neji?

Seriously what anime are you watching?:huh

Saying Neji is better than Gai is like stating pre-Shikamaru is better than Asuma.

huh yea kimi was beaten by his health not gaara...and as much of a gaara fan i am..i will be the first to admit that if kimi was 100% healthy he would of stuck gaara up like a pin cushion..so no gaara did it beat him..he might of win the fight but he didnt beat him Kimimaro lost, it's a fact and you can change it. If he was healthy he would win against Gaara. But he wasn't.

what good are her hits if she wont be able to land then propperly..i mean kimi was even able to stop lee's reverse lotus plus with lee i think opening 1-2 gates...he stopped his kick with his bones...kimi is allowed to stop attacks like that..so tsuande wouldnt do much...plus if she does do anything she would be hitting some hard ass bone cause no even lee could break his bones and thats the only way he fitsWhen did Lee open gates?

And again your comparison fails. You compare Lee- a genin to Tsunade - a sannin and Hokage. It's like comparing an ant to an elephant.

yea and they all lost to kimi as well so whats your point???
and honeslty if it wasnt for the sound invasion..i think more people would of became chunin's but thats just my opinion.Think a little before posting. I responded to this quote:
3.plus he has the curse seal mark
As you can see I invalidated your statement and showed that it's improper here.

Feral

04-03-2007, 10:45 AM

Sabaku.No.Gaara, I think you have a very slanted view of Neji.

He is fast for a Genin, he is already perhaps Chuunin level, but Gai, an Elite Jounin would put him in a body bag in under a minute. First of all, Neji has not yet surpassed the strongest in his own clan (Hiashi).

Even if Gai were not better than Hiashi (and logic says that he is stronger), he would definitely be stronger than Neji using the logic that:

Gai = Hiashi > Neji.

As Rock Lee once said to Sasuke "your eyes can't help you if your body can't keep up." Neji isn't fast enough to even keep up with base Gai, not mentioning gated.

As for Kimimaro, I believe base sick Kimi was on par with drunk Lee. Gai said that he could have subdued drunk Lee himself easily, but since he didn't want to "hurt his precious student" he got Neji's assistance. Thus, base Gai >>>> base sick Kimi. Say Kimi goes CS1; Gai is still loads faster, and Kimi doesn't have Sharingan movement prediction abilities, so his bones won't help him if he isn't able to see where Gai is going to hit him. CS2 is a different story, since burying him 200 feet underground didn't kill him, he can obviously withstand a great amount of pressure. However, Gai was able to defeat like 40 sound Jounin by himself, and he punched one through a wall. I have no doubt that if he went Gated, his strength (from 20% muscle usage to like 80%), would increase greatly, definitely enough to shatter Kimi.

Tousen

04-03-2007, 10:47 AM

You don't think Gai is better than pre-timeskip Neji?

Seriously what anime are you watching?:huh

Saying Neji is better than Gai is like stating pre-Shikamaru is better than Asuma.

first of all we are done with neji..i was already proven wrong on why neji wouldnt win the tournament..so you bringing him up again is useless

Kimimaro lost, it's a fact and you can change it. If he was healthy he would win against Gaara. But he wasn't.

ok what are you trying to say i had people throwing the third hokage at me who is at dead as dirt..so why cant i say kimimaro...like everyone stated i didnt make any specific rules on who can and cant be included

When did Lee open gates?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YyTalR5PF1A
dont ask me for any more proof because it doesnt get any better then this

And again your comparison fails. You compare Lee- a genin to Tsunade - a sannin and Hokage. It's like comparing an ant to an elephant.

and im not cmparing there levels im comparing their abilities..just watch the video..i dont see how tsuande is making any blows on kimi if his bones are in the way doesnt matter what level you are..

Spell

04-03-2007, 02:34 PM

Sorry, I just had to change it.Oh I overlooked. LOL xD reps:laugh

ok what are you trying to say i had people throwing the third hokage at me who is at dead as dirt..so why cant i say kimimaro...like everyone stated i didnt make any specific rules on who can and cant be included
I don't understand your reply. I've stated Kimi lost to Gaara, I didn't day anything about including him in this tournament.

dont ask me for any more proof because it doesnt get any better then thisHe didn't open gates, he was only drunk. He even probably couldn't after rconvalescence.

and im not cmparing there levels im comparing their abilities..just watch the video..i dont see how tsuande is making any blows on kimi if his bones are in the way doesnt matter what level you are..
Tsunade can crush them as simply as she did with concrete, when she wanted to hit Oro.

Tousen

04-03-2007, 03:01 PM

I don't understand your reply. I've stated Kimi lost to Gaara, I didn't day anything about including him in this tournament.
well forget that part then but you did actually state that kimi was beat by gaara

He didn't open gates, he was only drunk. He even probably couldn't after rconvalescence.
actually no cause if you watch it to the end..kimi actually wakes lee up from his drunkness by cutting him on the cheek..even tho even real life that is completely impossible but it is anime..so anywho after lee is woken up from his drunkness he then tries to do reverse lotus on kimi and in the process of doing that he opens his first gate

Tsunade can crush them as simply as she did with concrete, when she wanted to hit Oro.

and im sure rock lee can break concrete..2 actually i bet most of then can break concrete...but i still dont understand your point tho and i guess your not getting mine...what good is her super strength if its being stopped by his bones..and if you dont understand that again watch the video and youll see what im talking about

Kai

04-03-2007, 11:18 PM

He didn't open gates, he was only drunk. He even probably couldn't after rconvalescence.
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume24big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=28503

Why is still thread still active...? Gai should have won by now.

Tousen

04-03-2007, 11:22 PM

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume24big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=28503

Why is still thread still active...? Gai should have won by now.

thank you someone that knows what im talking about

alright then at the finals im calling it guy vs kimi

Konoha.Green.Beast.

04-04-2007, 12:50 AM

Sabaku, Good thread, It is the reason for me to create an account and make my first post, so I thank you.

Also don't get mad at me, but i'm going to reply to some old battle themes, gomenasai.

Gai vs. Neji=ridiculous obvios winning for gai, even for Lee, but it is other case, see it this mode

against Lee, neji could easily close 1 chakra port using the bya..that thing XD, but neji's finger would crush against the muscles of lee, wich would make Lee have enouch energy to make a K.O hit on neji, but the probabilities of this are 50/50 because Lee could be really hurt whit neji's finger or really crushed after te gate opening, is a none man wins fight.

but there is a diference, Gai sensei dosn't hurts after the gate opening and has a greater, faster than the sound movement, also Neji's finger would really brake after the atack.

about kimimaro vs gai:

gai senseis technique really could break kimi's bones, also state it like this, if kimi is in second level of the seal, his power really increases, but gai sensei's 6th gate opening would crush him in a very peculkiar way, gai sensei uses great konoha whirlwind to crush enemis bones, even that kimi's cant, but his bones really should weak up a bit, whit this waste up Gai is able to crush them whit the morning peacock technique or the hot blooded primary lotus (the same primary lotus, only that the impact is way bigger) or also whit a high direct center hit.

it is a win for gai sensei whit a lot of trouble, but it is a sure win.

Spell

04-04-2007, 04:27 AM

@Konoha.Green.Beast.: Spoilers are forbidden in anime battledome.

well forget that part then but you did actually state that kimi was beat by gaara
Yes, that's what I stated.

actually no cause if you watch it to the end..kimi actually wakes lee up from his drunkness by cutting him on the cheek..even tho even real life that is completely impossible but it is anime..so anywho after lee is woken up from his drunkness he then tries to do reverse lotus on kimi and in the process of doing that he opens his first gateOh, sorry I forgot he used initial Lotus. You're right.

and im sure rock lee can break concrete..2 actually i bet most of then can break concrete...but i still dont understand your point tho and i guess your not getting mine...what good is her super strength if its being stopped by his bones..and if you dont understand that again watch the video and youll see what im talking about
Kimi's bones was good enough to stop Lee, but consider the fact Tsunade is much more stronger than him. Remember what she was able to do with Gamabunta's sword, bones wouldn't be a problem, she is able to crush them.

Tousen

04-04-2007, 10:26 AM

well i really disagree with you on that because the fact then when she was bounding the hell out of oro she didnt break anybones??? and im sure she was trying her hardest to do something.

@green beast

even if guy is capable of openning gates in not a permanent status..so when kimi goes into cs2 and guy uses his gates guy will return to normal and kimi will still stay cs2...and it really doesnt matter how many bones guy breaks its not like you break kimis spinal cord and hes going to drop dead hes just going to make a new one..

Konoha.Green.Beast.

04-04-2007, 05:47 PM

Jesus, risu, I'm sorry, butr it wasn't a spoiler, it was the morning peacock technique explanation, but it was to big..well, it's true, I should have said that...

sabaku, you got a too good point, kkimi just grows them, even he will be unabvle to atack he would rise again, because thrust fist fightin g style (lee and gai's style) is specialized in bone breaking, well you got it, no chance for gai, at leaste not easy...you got me T-T

Sliver Fang

04-04-2007, 05:55 PM

I thought i was done here but i guess i found something here i dissagree with.

well i really disagree with you on that because the fact then when she was bounding the hell out of oro she didnt break anybones??? and im sure she was trying her hardest to do something.

First of all, she was trying to do her best without her mainia strenght. She was fighting like Lee and Gai. She wasn't using any of her mainia power.

So image if she keep punching Kim with her mainia strength he will break and lose most if not all his bones. But surely he will grow them back. But maybe by the time he grows them back she will Knock his brain out of his skull maybe. I certianly don't think he can live after that.

I still have the opinion that Tsunade can still take this. But i'm started to change my mind. (^_^)

(Only because this is only Taijitsu not a all out battle. She would own him in an all out battle.)

Tousen

04-04-2007, 06:54 PM

I thought i was done here but i guess i found something here i dissagree with.

First of all, she was trying to do her best without her mainia strenght. She was fighting like Lee and Gai. She wasn't using any of her mainia power.

So image if she keep punching Kim with her mainia strength he will break and lose most if not all his bones. But surely he will grow them back. But maybe by the time he grows them back she will Knock his brain out of his skull maybe. I certianly don't think he can live after that.

I still have the opinion that Tsunade can still take this. But i'm started to change my mind. (^_^)

(Only because this is only Taijitsu not a all out battle. She would own him in an all out battle.)

you are funny..are you forgetting that her extreme strength involves chakra..so its not like she can really do that forever...i think she would have a better chance doing some type of medical thing then actually trying to fight hand to hand..and dont forget kimi can also produce his bones in any form he wants so if he wanted he could make himself into a giant bone porky pine(dont even know thats how you spell it)..but i hope you know what animal im talking about.lol..so it would be pretty much impossible for her to get through all those spikes

im srry blossom this just isnt her battle

Konoha.Green.Beast.

04-04-2007, 08:13 PM

Yes, I hate to say this, but kimimaru's dance of the camelia could crush tsunade, even whit her great strenght...

I rwad the taijutsu list and danwce of the camelia is taijutsu o.o

Tousen

04-04-2007, 10:03 PM

i just people are starting to see who the real taijutsu champion is...lol

Kimimaro Kaguya
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/Kimimaro/Kimimaro_Blood_limit_by_Kimimaro77.jpg

Spell

04-05-2007, 06:17 AM

well i really disagree with you on that because the fact then when she was bounding the hell out of oro she didnt break anybones??? and im sure she was trying her hardest to do something.
So the fact she didn't break anby bones makes her unable to break them? Think a little. Tsunade is extremally skilled in taijutsu, none of the sanin is able to match her on thet firld. Her ability to accumulate chakra and throw it thrugh fist makes her punches deadly as hell. She is able to crush buildings so isn't it logic she is able to crush bones too?

even if guy is capable of openning gates in not a permanent status..so when kimi goes into cs2 and guy uses his gates guy will return to normal and kimi will still stay cs2...and it really doesnt matter how many bones guy breaks its not like you break kimis spinal cord and hes going to drop dead hes just going to make a new one..Kimi isn't able to stayt in CS2 permanently. CS is almost as deadly for user as gates, furthermore Kimi is ill. He won't stay for long. Besides I'm pretty sure Gai doesn't need gates so much. He will be probably open first or second but it's considerably enough to beat Kimi IMO.

Tousen

04-05-2007, 12:25 PM

So the fact she didn't break anby bones makes her unable to break them? Think a little. Tsunade is extremally skilled in taijutsu, none of the sanin is able to match her on thet firld. Her ability to accumulate chakra and throw it thrugh fist makes her punches deadly as hell. She is able to crush buildings so isn't it logic she is able to crush bones too?

well think about it..she isnt skilled in taijutsu because of extreme speed..she is skilled because of her strength..you have to be one dumb fuck to go hand to hand combat with her..but when your someone like kimi that isnt affected by a crush bone or 2..her breaking bones is pretty much pointless..isnt it?

Kimi isn't able to stayt in CS2 permanently. CS is almost as deadly for user as gates, furthermore Kimi is ill. He won't stay for long. Besides I'm pretty sure Gai doesn't need gates so much. He will be probably open first or second but it's considerably enough to beat Kimi IMO.

Kimi also possesses a great deal of control over his cursed seal, as he is able to control its spread throughout his body without fully activating it. so when he is fighting he doesnt have to go all out like guy would need to do to open his gates...and seriously if kimi puts layers of bone under his skin the same way he did against gaara's sand...what damage can tsuande or guy really do??

plus kimi bones are unpredictable so it was be suicide to fight him hand to hand because you might end up catching a bone to the face or something

The Truth

04-05-2007, 04:17 PM

So the fact she didn't break anby bones makes her unable to break them?
Well she had used Genesis Rebirth to regain her strength and couldn't break Oro's bones, so why then could she break Kimimaro's bones? The guy who Oro thinks possesses the ultimate body? Anyhow the Oro point is a non issue, he used a jutsu on his body that allows him to make it more malleable, so breaking his bones is probably pretty difficult.
Think a little. Tsunade is extremally skilled in taijutsu, none of the sanin is able to match her on thet firld. Her ability to accumulate chakra and throw it thrugh fist makes her punches deadly as hell. She is able to crush buildings so isn't it logic she is able to crush bones too?
Regular bones maybe, not ones as hard as steel, that can be made as flexible as he wants. And where do you get that her taijutsu is unmatched among the Sannin? If Kabuto could dodge every single one of her hits because he's trained to do so, then a taijutsu expert should be able to survive okay, don't you think?
Kimi isn't able to stayt in CS2 permanently. CS is almost as deadly for user as gates, furthermore Kimi is ill. He won't stay for long.
Kimimaro when sick was able to stay in CS2 for almost half of his fight with Gaara. The gates are only able to be used for one technique at best, so far shown. The two are completely different.
He will be probably open first or second but it's considerably enough to beat Kimi IMO. Besides I'm pretty sure Gai doesn't need gates so much.
Unless you can prove that Gai can even bend steel, then he doesn't even stand a chance. Because he hasn't shown strength to match any of Gaara's techniques that Kimimaro withstood. You can believe Gai is the better fighter, but if he fought Kimimaro he'd still lose because his techniques would be useless.

Tousen

04-05-2007, 04:30 PM

Well she had used Genesis Rebirth to regain her strength and couldn't break Oro's bones, so why then could she break Kimimaro's bones? The guy who Oro thinks possesses the ultimate body? Anyhow the Oro point is a non issue, he used a jutsu on his body that allows him to make it more malleable, so breaking his bones is probably pretty difficult.

Regular bones maybe, not ones as hard as steel, that can be made as flexible as he wants. And where do you get that her taijutsu is unmatched among the Sannin? If Kabuto could dodge every single one of her hits because he's trained to do so, then a taijutsu expert should be able to survive okay, don't you think?

Kimimaro when sick was able to stay in CS2 for almost half of his fight with Gaara. The gates are only able to be used for one technique at best, so far shown. The two are completely different.

Unless you can prove that Gai can even bend steel, then he doesn't even stand a chance. Because he hasn't shown strength to match any of Gaara's techniques that Kimimaro withstood. You can believe Gai is the better fighter, but if he fought Kimimaro he'd still lose because his techniques would be useless.

well i guess my job is done...lol

Spell

04-06-2007, 11:43 AM

Well she had used Genesis Rebirth to regain her strength and couldn't break Oro's bones, so why then could she break Kimimaro's bones?Oro recived one hit from Tsunade and was forced to retreat (don't remember what was in anime). She would brak them if Oro didn't retreat.

The guy who Oro thinks possesses the ultimate body? Anyhow the Oro point is a non issue, he used a jutsu on his body that allows him to make it more malleable, so breaking his bones is probably pretty difficult.More difficult thanTHIS? (http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0VwBPD2Qb1tVuR0F0StOgzmx!!pdmkSh0yiOtKwc5H0dr7LsD6 UOdBiFiTgLKaLSX8wP0IxLST*lp3QMUI9Ue3A3Ak9xh2hhy45N AGl4K2pjAIdOm!InFUjXSSllUW1tC/naruto_ch263_p13.png?dc=4675545496130035637)

Regular bones maybe, not ones as hard as steel, that can be made as flexible as he wants. And where do you get that her taijutsu is unmatched among the Sannin?Who from Sannin can match her in taijutsu?

If Kabuto could dodge every single one of her hits because he's trained to do so, then a taijutsu expert should be able to survive okay, don't you think?Evading does not equal taijutsu. The fact Kabuto was able to avoid her hits proves he is skilled medical ninja.

Survive? Only taijutsu expert should be able to survive?:oh

Anyhow didn't she survive?

Kimimaro when sick was able to stay in CS2 for almost half of his fight with Gaara. The gates are only able to be used for one technique at best, so far shown. The two are completely different.I have never stated CS is as self damaging as Hachimon. I just want to show, that it is indeed self destructive, especially when Kimi is ill.

Unless you can prove that Gai can even bend steel, then he doesn't even stand a chance. Because he hasn't shown strength to match any of Gaara's techniques that Kimimaro withstood. You can believe Gai is the better fighter, but if he fought Kimimaro he'd still lose because his techniques would be useless.His techniques effect may be weaker than usual, but they aren't useless for sure.

The Truth

04-06-2007, 04:19 PM

Oro recived one hit from Tsunade and was forced to retreat (don't remember what was in anime). She would brak them if Oro didn't retreat.
That doesn't make any sense. If she was using her monstrous strength then she should have taken his head clean off. Yet her strength was unable to kill Oro, the guy who thinks Kimi has the strongest body.
More difficult thanTHIS? (http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0VwBPD2Qb1tVuR0F0StOgzmx!!pdmkSh0yiOtKwc5H0dr7LsD6 UOdBiFiTgLKaLSX8wP0IxLST*lp3QMUI9Ue3A3Ak9xh2hhy45N AGl4K2pjAIdOm!InFUjXSSllUW1tC/naruto_ch263_p13.png?dc=4675545496130035637)

Yes, probably. Malleability would make his body more flexible, it'd be like punching a cushion.
Who from Sannin can match her in taijutsu?
Oro possibly, the guy who can't age and whose sole desire is to master every technique in the world. Point is you stated a comment as fact with no proof to back it up. The extent of Tsunade's taijutsu prowess has been one successful hit on Oro. If her taijutsu was unrivaled among Sannin, then the Sannin must be pretty average.
Evading does not equal taijutsu.The fact Kabuto was able to avoid her hits proves he is skilled medical ninja.
I never said the two were one in the same. But being a taijutsu expert means you have to be good at avoiding your opponent. Kimimaro is damn near indestructible and still manged to avoid all but one of Drunk Lee's attacks. http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/215/naruto_ch215_p08.png

Survive? Only taijutsu expert should be able to survive?:oh

Anyhow didn't she survive?
Don't know what you mean here.
I have never stated CS is as self damaging as Hachimon. I just want to show, that it is indeed self destructive, especially when Kimi is ill.
You said its almost as self damaging as Hachimon, you put them on the same level. This is far from true since Lee can barely stand after opening one gate, and Gai only opened 6 long enough to use one jutsu. In contrast all the CS2 users have fought for much longer durations with less harmful side effects.
His techniques effect may be weaker than usual, but they aren't useless for sure.
Actually they are literally useless. In order for them to have any value, his punches and kicks would have to match the strength of Gaara's Desert Avalanche. And even that only managed to slow Kimi down.

phatphish

04-06-2007, 06:58 PM

Kimimaro hands down. He has loads more technique then Gai and is way more experienced then Neji, he has the bloodline limit. Anyway you look at it he is number 1 in taijustu. ( If he wasnt ill)

Tousen

04-06-2007, 07:00 PM

Kimimaro hands down. He has loads more technique then Gai and is way more experienced then Neji, he has the bloodline limit. Anyway you look at it he is number 1 in taijustu.

yea we got that far already now we are discussing how he would do against tsuande

Sliver Fang

04-07-2007, 12:37 AM

^ I'm sorry but this has been annoying me. You spelled Tsunade wrong in almost every one of your post. Its Tsunade not Tsuande. and yes i know that i spelled mine wrong in my user name. but i just had to point that out. Sorry!

But back to the forum. You have convince me enough. my vote goes to Kim.

Tousen

04-07-2007, 01:35 AM

Rokurai

04-07-2007, 01:47 AM

Tousen

04-07-2007, 02:16 AM

Tsunade would get a sharpened bone sword up her butt.
I'm not even going to argue my point, The Truth has taken it farther than I would have and there is no possible way that you can still say Tsunade would win...CS2 Sawarabi No Mai, and even that is overkill.

All he really needs is Tessenka no Mai.

even tho you are speaken nothing but the truth..i think it has already been delcared that the winner in Kimimaro

unless somebody wants to prove me wrong

The Truth

04-07-2007, 03:55 PM

Just so where clear, I'm not saying that Tsunade isn't a better ninja then Kimimaro, just that in taijutsu I don't see her winning.

Tousen

04-07-2007, 04:55 PM

Just so where clear, I'm not saying that Tsunade isn't a better ninja then Kimimaro, just that in taijutsu I don't see her winning.

well i dont see him being better ninja then her at all....actually i think in a all out battle she just might come out on top against kimi....i honestly dont know because i dont know what kind of jutsu's she knows..i just believe in a taijutsu battle she couldnt handle it

Spell

04-08-2007, 05:09 AM

@The Truth: I'll respond later. Probably tomorrow.

Tousen

04-08-2007, 04:52 PM

@The Truth: I'll respond later. Probably tomorrow.

so you finally became a mod...congrats

Spell

04-09-2007, 04:55 AM

That doesn't make any sense. If she was using her monstrous strength then she should have taken his head clean off. Yet her strength was unable to kill Oro, the guy who thinks Kimi has the strongest body.
She was near it. Um, I can't spoil here, but you remember the fact =>Jiraya].

Yes, probably. Malleability would make his body more flexible, it'd be like punching a cushion. Yes this would make his body more flexible but it won't probably save him from Tsunades hits. Consider the fact her taijutsu isn't just a regular taijutsu. She gathers her chakra and throws it out through the fist. Even enormous flexibility wouldn't be probably a help here.

Oro possibly, the guy who can't age and whose sole desire is to master every technique in the world. Point is you stated a comment as fact with no proof to back it up. The extent of Tsunade's taijutsu prowess has been one successful hit on Oro. If her taijutsu was unrivaled among Sannin, then the Sannin must be pretty average. So far neither Oro and Jiraiya haven't shown any considerable taijutsu skills. Why should I think they are good on that field. The fact they are sannin doesn't necessarily mean they are gods in everything. Both Jiraiya and Oro seem to be a great ninjutsu users, this is an approved fact. You have no evidence to prove me wrong.

I never said the two were one in the same. But being a taijutsu expert means you have to be good at avoiding your opponent. Kimimaro is damn near indestructible and still manged to avoid all but one of Drunk Lee's attacks. http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/215/naruto_ch215_p08.png
Yes, true. But you are comparing gennin to sannin. There is a big difference between Lee and Tsunade and it not only a taijutsu. It's experience what make Tsunade really superior to him.

Don't know what you mean here.You said "taijutsu expert should be able to survive". I was a little confused.

You said its almost as self damaging as Hachimon, you put them on the same level. This is far from true since Lee can barely stand after opening one gate, and Gai only opened 6 long enough to use one jutsu. In contrast all the CS2 users have fought for much longer durations with less harmful side effects. I do not put them on the same level. My point is that CS isn't a power that could be used constantly and it cause side effects. Furthermore Kimi was sick, it's a big disadvantade for him. Gai could just evade his attacks and counterattack sometimes waiting for his weakness disclosure.

Actually they are literally useless. In order for them to have any value, his punches and kicks would have to match the strength of Gaara's Desert Avalanche. And even that only managed to slow Kimi down.I don't see how Gai wouldn't be able to match that strength.

so you finally became a mod...congratsThanks :)

The Truth

04-09-2007, 03:08 PM

She was near it. Um, I can't spoil here, but you remember the fact =>Jiraya].
You said she would have broken Oro's bones if he didn't run away. That can't be true since one direct hit should have been enough.
Yes this would make his body more flexible but it won't probably save him from Tsunades hits. Consider the fact her taijutsu isn't just a regular taijutsu. She gathers her chakra and throws it out through the fist. Even enormous flexibility wouldn't be probably a help here.
It doesn't matter what Tsunade does with her chakra. The point is that it makes her super strong. Tsunade having super strength doesn't help if she's punching a pillow.
So far neither Oro and Jiraiya haven't shown any considerable taijutsu skills. Why should I think they are good on that field. The fact they are sannin doesn't necessarily mean they are gods in everything. Both Jiraiya and Oro seem to be a great ninjutsu users, this is an approved fact. You have no evidence to prove me wrong.
This is a logical fallacy, because I don't have to disprove your assertions. You made an unsubstantiated claim about Tsunade's taijutsu being unrivaled, while also claiming that Jiraiya being great at ninjutsu is "an approved fact". Meanwhile, you disregarded the fact that the only thing special about Tsunade's taijutsu, is her strength. And that she has only managed to hit someone once, all of her other attacks have been successfully avoided.
Yes, true. But you are comparing gennin to sannin. There is a big difference between Lee and Tsunade and it not only a taijutsu. It's experience what make Tsunade really superior to him.
We are talking about taijutsu, are we not? Lee has already been called a genius so i wouldn't discard his opinion. As far as taijutsu is concerned, Tsunade isn't in a class by herself. As you said "The fact they are sannin doesn't necessarily mean they are gods in everything". Tsunade is a medical specialist, not taijutsu expert.
I do not put them on the same level. My point is that CS isn't a power that could be used constantly and it cause side effects.
You said the CS was almost as deadly as the gates, which is far from true. You said they were almost as deadly. If thats not putting them on the same level then what is?
Furthermore Kimi was sick, it's a big disadvantade for him. Gai could just evade his attacks and counterattack sometimes waiting for his weakness disclosure.
If all Gai is going to do is evade and launch useless counterattacks, then he'll die pretty quick.
I don't see how Gai wouldn't be able to match that strength.
Because Gai has never shown strength on that scale and has given us no reason to believe he can.

Tousen

04-09-2007, 03:16 PM

wow you two are just going to go at this arent you..well let me know when one of you has a winner

Spell

04-10-2007, 08:59 AM

You said she would have broken Oro's bones if he didn't run away. That can't be true since one direct hit should have been enough.I don't see a logic here. So you think fights should be decided in one hit? The fact she didn't crush Oro doesn't mean she wasn't able to do this.

It doesn't matter what Tsunade does with her chakra. The point is that it makes her super strong. Tsunade having super strength doesn't help if she's punching a pillow.No, it's a big difference. In normal Taijustsu fist is a factor which inflicts the damage. Here thrown chakra is that factor, flexibility won't help as much as usuall.

This is a logical fallacy, because I don't have to disprove your assertions. You made an unsubstantiated claim about Tsunade's taijutsu being unrivaled, while also claiming that Jiraiya being great at ninjutsu is "an approved fact". Meanwhile, you disregarded the fact that the only thing special about Tsunade's taijutsu, is her strength. And that she has only managed to hit someone once, all of her other attacks have been successfully avoided.You bring one good point. Indeed only her strength seems to be so special. But you're wrong her other attacks have been successfully avoided, she has managed to hit Kabuto and mess up his nerve system.

We are talking about taijutsu, are we not? Lee has already been called a genius so i wouldn't discard his opinion. As far as taijutsu is concerned, Tsunade isn't in a class by herself.Neji was called a genius too, is he a match for Tsunade's taijutsu?

As you said "The fact they are sannin doesn't necessarily mean they are gods in everything". Tsunade is a medical specialist, not taijutsu expert.So why she uses taijutsu? Isn't it obvious she is good at it?

You said the CS was almost as deadly as the gates, which is far from true. You said they were almost as deadly. If thats not putting them on the same level then what is?"Almost doesn't mean "equal", I do not put them on the same level. Hatchimon is indeed deadlier for the user than CS, but if you consider Kimi's sickness, the difference between them isn't really big. Sorry if I wasn't precise.

If all Gai is going to do is evade and launch useless counterattacks, then he'll die pretty quick. Why? Kimimaro won't fight for long. Gai has got considerable amount of stamina, he is able to withstand that.

Because Gai has never shown strength on that scale and has given us no reason to believe he can.He hasn't got any problem with blocking Gaara's sand (and it was sand from his gourd, strengthened by chakra and blood), he simply dispersed it with no effort.

Tousen

04-10-2007, 10:37 AM

well since you two seem to be hogging up all the glory im going to throw my 2 sense into this

I don't see a logic here. So you think fights should be decided in one hit? The fact she didn't crush Oro doesn't mean she wasn't able to do this.

honestly i think she is more of a medical ninja then a taijutsu specialist..i mean im sure when she was fighting both kabuto and Oro that she was fighting with the intent to kill them....and i think she is a one punch knock out type of person even sakura said it when she was fighting kakashi trying to get the bells..if someone is able to stand one punch again against tsuande then i dont see her winning the match

Neji was called a genius too, is he a match for Tsunade's taijutsu?

it seems to me that you dont think neji wouldnt be a good opponent for tsuande...i might have to disagree with you there..i mean if would be a rather fair for when it comes down to someone who relys on her chakra to damage and someone who relys on taking people chakra ability away..i mean yea it would come down to whoever got the first hit pretty much got the match won..but i would say when it comes to a taijutsu fight neji vs tsuande would be a fair fight

So why she uses taijutsu? Isn't it obvious she is good at it?

"Almost doesn't mean "equal", I do not put them on the same level. Hatchimon is indeed deadlier for the user than CS, but if you consider Kimi's sickness, the difference between them isn't really big. Sorry if I wasn't precise.

again nobody mentioned anything about kimimaros sickness...this could of been held way before he even knew he was at his limit..so you really cant put it into consideration

Why? Kimimaro won't fight for long. Gai has got considerable amount of stamina, he is able to withstand that.

you stated that kimi wouldnt last long against guy????why not...who said that kimimaro was sick???

Kai

04-10-2007, 11:46 AM

you stated that kimi wouldnt last long against guy????why not...who said that kimimaro was sick???

That would be totally illogical and would be a fight of pure speculation. I could just use "Gai in his prime" against Kimmimaro 5 seconds before he died.

I'm fairly sure Tsunade will not win this.

Tousen

04-10-2007, 12:12 PM

That would be totally illogical and would be a fight of pure speculation. I could just use "Gai in his prime" against Kimmimaro 5 seconds before he died.

I'm fairly sure Tsunade will not win this.

well i see what your saying but it would be the same as people saying the 4th hokage or the third would win it

and im fairly sure tsunade wouldnt win as well just for the fact that kimis bones will stop her punches before they even make contact with his body

The Truth

04-10-2007, 06:08 PM

I don't see a logic here. So you think fights should be decided in one hit? The fact she didn't crush Oro doesn't mean she wasn't able to do this.
Well logically, yes. Everytime Tsunade punches, she uses her strength. If she punched Oro, then his head should have come flying off. Strength that can crush boulders, doesn't take a succession of hits to work effectively, thats illogical. So your statement that she would have broken his bones, if he hadn't run away, doesn't make any sense.
No, it's a big difference. In normal Taijustsu fist is a factor which inflicts the damage. Here thrown chakra is that factor, flexibility won't help as much as usuall.
What are you talking about? Her chakra enhances her strength, it doesn't give her fist any magical properties. You can't just concluded based on nothing that Tsunade's punches differ in anyway other then impact.

You bring one good point. Indeed only her strength seems to be so special. But you're wrong her other attacks have been successfully avoided, she has managed to hit Kabuto and mess up his nerve system.

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Neji was called a genius too, is he a match for Tsunade's taijutsu?
I never suggested anything of the sort, and even if he was, thats beside the point. In terms of taijutsu, i said Lee's opinion shouldn't be discarded because he is a specialist in that field. While Tsunade, has never been known for her taijutsu expertise.
So why she uses taijutsu? Isn't it obvious she is good at it?
She could be pretty average, with the only thing spectacular being her strength.
"Almost doesn't mean "equal", I do not put them on the same level. Hatchimon is indeed deadlier for the user than CS, but if you consider Kimi's sickness, the difference between them isn't really big. Sorry if I wasn't precise.
Kimimaro is dying regardless, we have no way of knowing if the CS plays a role in that.

Why? Kimimaro won't fight for long. Gai has got considerable amount of stamina, he is able to withstand that.
Kimimaro has a considerable amount of stamina as well. If all he has to do is absorb or evade Gai's punches and kicks, then he'll be better off. A kick or a punch from Gai won't have any effect, where as any attack from Kimimaro will. Kimi has the more favorable position if we follow your line of logic.

He hasn't got any problem with blocking Gaara's sand (and it was sand from his gourd, strengthened by chakra and blood), he simply dispersed it with no effort.
Yes, lets compare the two shall we?
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I don't know why people insist on making that false comparison.

Tousen

04-10-2007, 09:51 PM

hey you other buttons dont work

Spell

04-12-2007, 03:34 PM

Sorry for late response :/

honestly i think she is more of a medical ninja then a taijutsu specialist..i mean im sure when she was fighting both kabuto and Oro that she was fighting with the intent to kill them....and i think she is a one punch knock out type of person even sakura said it when she was fighting kakashi trying to get the bells..if someone is able to stand one punch again against tsuande then i dont see her winning the match
Of course she is more medical specialist than a taijutsu fighter, but it doesn't automatically mean she isn't good at it. Taijutsu is what she uses to win the fight, without it she wouldn't stand a chance against any of sannin in a fight. That's why we have the right to assume here taijutsu skills are considerable.

it seems to me that you dont think neji wouldnt be a good opponent for tsuande...i might have to disagree with you there..i mean if would be a rather fair for when it comes down to someone who relys on her chakra to damage and someone who relys on taking people chakra ability away..i mean yea it would come down to whoever got the first hit pretty much got the match won..but i would say when it comes to a taijutsu fight neji vs tsuande would be a fair fightTsunade is a bad mutchup for Neji. Hyuuga's gentle fist damage internal organs which Tsunade is able to heal. I don't know if it's possible for her to heal chakra points and cure the flow of chakra, but I'm pretty sure she can do it. However we haven't got any evidence to prove it.

again nobody mentioned anything about kimimaros sickness...this could of been held way before he even knew he was at his limit..so you really cant put it into considerationI don't understand your point. Kimimaro was sick and it's a fact. His sickness was a threat and a big disadvantage for him.

you stated that kimi wouldnt last long against guy????why not...who said that kimimaro was sick???Masashi Kishimoto.

Well logically, yes. Everytime Tsunade punches, she uses her strength. If she punched Oro, then his head should have come flying off. Strength that can crush boulders, doesn't take a succession of hits to work effectively, thats illogical. So your statement that she would have broken his bones, if he hadn't run away, doesn't make any sense.You know why there are few rounds in box? Because fights aren't decided by one hit. Some of them are really long and serious damage is inflicted usually in the end, somewhere near 7-12 round. It's the time of broken noses, bleading and bruises. It's not like every single hit makes an injury, some of them misses, some lands uneffectively, but if one hit strikes properly - it's a K.O.

What are you talking about? Her chakra enhances her strength, it doesn't give her fist any magical properties. You can't just concluded based on nothing that Tsunade's punches differ in anyway other then impact.
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Yeah, you're right. Sarutobi's Shiki Fujin doesn't count, Oro's fight against Jiraiya doesn't count, um <spoiler=Sasori's fight>

She could be pretty average, with the only thing spectacular being her strength. She may not be a taijutsu god, but for sure she is not average. Sannin fight proves it.

Kimimaro is dying regardless, we have no way of knowing if the CS plays a role in that. It has been stated CS causes side effects, it's pretty logic it was the factor of Kimi's death.

Kimimaro has a considerable amount of stamina as well. If all he has to do is absorb or evade Gai's punches and kicks, then he'll be better off. A kick or a punch from Gai won't have any effect, where as any attack from Kimimaro will. Kimi has the more favorable position if we follow your line of logic.Do you have any proof Kimi's stamina could be comparable to Gai's? [databook doesn't work for me, I can't check it :/].

Yes, lets compare the two shall we?
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I don't know why people insist on making that false comparison.
Sand from chuunin exam was strenghtened by chakra and blood. Sand from Kimi's fight was a normal sand. It's a big difference. Of course it's true, the amount used against Kimimaro is enormous, but look how easily Gai managed with the strenghtened sand, no effort at all.

Tousen

04-13-2007, 11:22 AM

Sorry for late response :/

Of course she is more medical specialist than a taijutsu fighter, but it doesn't automatically mean she isn't good at it. Taijutsu is what she uses to win the fight, without it she wouldn't stand a chance against any of sannin in a fight. That's why we have the right to assume here taijutsu skills are considerable.

assume her taijutsu skills are considerable and saying she can hang with
people who are considered taijutsu specialist are 2 completely different things

thats like saying joy jones jr can beat mike tyson just because he knows how to box.

iTsunade is a bad mutchup for Neji. Hyuuga's gentle fist damage internal organs which Tsunade is able to heal. I don't know if it's possible for her to heal chakra points and cure the flow of chakra, but I'm pretty sure she can do it. However we haven't got any evidence to prove it.

The Gentle Fist style of combat aims to damage the body's chakra circulatory system, thus inhibiting an opponent's use of chakra. To do this, the user will forcefully insert a small amount of their own chakra into an opponent's chakra circulatory system, causing the targeted area to rupture or divert flow. Alternatively, or as an added bonus, the same method can be used to damage the opponent's internal organs, to which the chakra circulatory system is closely tied. Even the slightest tap from this style can cause major damage, hence the name. Because the chakra circulatory system is invisible, the Byakugan is required for this style to be used effectively. Because there is no way to train the internal organs against injury, this technique is capable of causing damage no matter how physically powerful the opponent.

that is the true reason of the gentles fist..so how can someone who relys on using her chakra to give her strength not be in the same league against someone who relys on using it...and in regards of her medical skills..i doubt she would actually be able to use her med skills if her points on closed up since that involves chakra as well..i actually would go as far and say that neji would be her narutal enemy in a taijutsu fight

I don't understand your point. Kimimaro was sick and it's a fact. His sickness was a threat and a big disadvantage for him.

there was no point to prove...i was just saying that i never stated his was sick..but if he is sick he is sick..there is no way around that

You know why there are few rounds in box? Because fights aren't decided by one hit. Some of them are really long and serious damage is inflicted usually in the end, somewhere near 7-12 round. It's the time of broken noses, bleading and bruises. It's not like every single hit makes an injury, some of them misses, some lands uneffectively, but if one hit strikes properly - it's a K.O.

Actually boxing rounds last 7-12 rounds because people dont pay money to see 2 people for a minute or 2..and a real fight and a boxing match are completely different.in a real fight there is no water breaks..there is no one there to attend to your bruises and there is no ref...so its pretty much anything goes...so i get why your using a boxing match as a example if they are 2 completely different things

She may not be a taijutsu god, but for sure she is not average. Sannin fight proves it.

sannin fight proves that she was left to fight kabuto..you really cant say when she was fighting Oro it proves her taijutsu skills because she was bunching a man that couldnt use his arms..and yea she was knocking the snot outta him..but like we stated before she didnt do any internal damage or any serious damage to either kabuto on Oro...so i dont know how can you rate her taijutsu skills from just that battle.

the only thing she has going for her is that giant leg drop of hers

It has been stated CS causes side effects, it's pretty logic it was the factor of Kimi's death.

yea it does cause side affect but it has also been stated that out of all the people that had the CS that kimi was the best at using it..because he was able to control it..so you really cant say it was the fact of his sickness...as far as i know and as much as i read the only main factor to kimis dead was his illness and it doesnt even state how he got that...even tho in a flashback Oro asked him if he had reached his limit...no clue on what that really means..but thats as far as i see on anything regarding to his illness

Spell

04-14-2007, 03:49 PM

assume her taijutsu skills are considerable and saying she can hang with
people who are considered taijutsu specialist are 2 completely different things
Sure, this 2 things does not equal, but she proved, she IS good at it. I'm not stating her win against Gai or Kimimaro is inevitable, in my opinion she could win. There is a possibility. However we don't know her full strength and we don't know all Gai's abilities. We are unable to state who would win with 100% certainty.

thats like saying joy jones jr can beat mike tyson just because he knows how to box.No, it's not a good comparison. Roy Jones Jr. fits the different weight cathegory, he never fought against boxers from heavy-weight, therefore we can't compare them.

that is the true reason of the gentles fist..so how can someone who relys on using her chakra to give her strength not be in the same league against someone who relys on using it...and in regards of her medical skills..i doubt she would actually be able to use her med skills if her points on closed up since that involves chakra as well..i actually would go as far and say that neji would be her narutal enemy in a taijutsu fightShe was able to heal lether injury, I don't see why she wouldn't be able to cure damage inflicted by gentle fist. The proble is, if you allow healing in this tournament.

Actually boxing rounds last 7-12 rounds because people dont pay money to see 2 people for a minute or 2..and a real fight and a boxing match are completely different.in a real fight there is no water breaks..there is no one there to attend to your bruises and there is no ref...so its pretty much anything goes...so i get why your using a boxing match as a example if they are 2 completely different things
I wanted to show you the point, mojor injuries usually aren't inflicted in the beginning of the fight. It's absolutely rare to see K.O in the first round, so the fact Tsunade didn't break Oro's bones with a single hit doesn't prove she wouldn't be able to do it.

sannin fight proves that she was left to fight kabuto..you really cant say when she was fighting Oro it proves her taijutsu skills because she was bunching a man that couldnt use his arms..and yea she was knocking the snot outta him..but like we stated before she didnt do any internal damage or any serious damage to either kabuto on Oro...so i dont know how can you rate her taijutsu skills from just that battle.She didn't because they retreated.

ya it does cause side affect but it has also been stated that out of all the people that had the CS that kimi was the best at using it..because he was able to control it..so you really cant say it was the fact of his sickness...as far as i know and as much as i read the only main factor to kimis dead was his illness and it doesnt even state how he got that...even tho in a flashback Oro asked him if he had reached his limit...no clue on what that really means..but thats as far as i see on anything regarding to his illnessKimi was the only one able to use CS3, that's why he was best at it. Every next stage of CS is more deadlier for the user than the previous level. It is a fact. So following logic if we consider his sickness and side effects of CS, we have the right to assume his death was the outcome of both factors.

Konoha.Green.Beast.

04-14-2007, 04:45 PM

Kimimaro>gai>tsunade (all in taijutsu)

Why? kimimaro has the bloodline, specialized in taijutus, the winnar had been declared.

still keep going att his I will do the same as kazekage sama and keep watching, it is interesting O.O

The Truth

04-14-2007, 09:32 PM

You know why there are few rounds in box? Because fights aren't decided by one hit. Some of them are really long and serious damage is inflicted usually in the end, somewhere near 7-12 round. It's the time of broken noses, bleading and bruises. It's not like every single hit makes an injury, some of them misses, some lands uneffectively, but if one hit strikes properly - it's a K.O.
Once again, that doesn't make any sense. Tsunade uses her strength in all of her punches, in fact, she has never thrown a punch at an opponent without that strength. One hit from Tsunade should have turned Oro's face into mush. You can't compare a real life boxer to Tsunade, a ninja who can run for miles tearing up landscape and using her punches over an over.
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I'm not sure what your trying to prove. The chakra she adds to her punches makes them stronger, it doesn't change the fact that they are still punches.
Yeah, you're right. Sarutobi's Shiki Fujin doesn't count, Oro's fight against Jiraiya doesn't count, um <spoiler=Sasori's fight>
I know i'm right, i'm just not sure what your point is about Oro and Jiraiya.
She may not be a taijutsu god, but for sure she is not average. Sannin fight proves it.
Sannin fight proved only that she could punch really hard.
It has been stated CS causes side effects, it's pretty logic it was the factor of Kimi's death.
We don't even know what Kimimaro was dying from to begin with, for all we know, the CS could've been what was keeping him alive.
Do you have any proof Kimi's stamina could be comparable to Gai's? [databook doesn't work for me, I can't check it :/].
You can't really directly compare DB stats because of the numerous inconsistencies. Gai has a 5 to Kimi's 4.5. However, Kimimaro fought Naruto and Lee prior to fighting Gaara (who has a 5) and still outlasted him. That was what i based my statement on.
Sand from chuunin exam was strenghtened by chakra and blood. Sand from Kimi's fight was a normal sand. It's a big difference. Of course it's true, the amount used against Kimimaro is enormous, but look how easily Gai managed with the strenghtened sand, no effort at all.
Gaara was weak and wasn't even aiming for Gai. Kimimaro actually survived being crushed by that same jutsu that Gai knocked away, and worse.

Sliver Fang

04-14-2007, 10:33 PM

i can't beleive this thread is still alive. winner has already been decided. Kim. if you don't agree we can vote.

(but in all out battle tsunade will beat kim) (^_^)

Tousen

04-14-2007, 10:42 PM

i can't beleive this thread is still alive. winner has already been decided. Kim. if you don't agree we can vote.

(but in all out battle tsunade will beat kim) (^_^)

yea seriously this thread is till alive...i say kimi wins but now its kimi vs tsunade now and we are in a serious debate about that

lololol

Spell

04-15-2007, 03:21 PM

Once again, that doesn't make any sense. Tsunade uses her strength in all of her punches, in fact, she has never thrown a punch at an opponent without that strength. One hit from Tsunade should have turned Oro's face into mush. You can't compare a real life boxer to Tsunade, a ninja who can run for miles tearing up landscape and using her punches over an over.Look, not every hit is a 100% successful. There are better and worse punches performed by the same person. She didn't trash Oro, ok. But she was close and she would definitely do it if the fight lasted longer.

I'm not sure what your trying to prove. The chakra she adds to her punches makes them stronger, it doesn't change the fact that they are still punches.
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I know i'm right, i'm just not sure what your point is about Oro and Jiraiya.No you're not right, your statement is like saying: "Naruto beat Neji? Eh it's a plot-no-jutsu, it doesn't count. No. Every single fact stated in manga/anime counts here.

Sannin fight proved only that she could punch really hard.
-_- this is going nowhere.

We don't even know what Kimimaro was dying from to begin with, for all we know, the CS could've been what was keeping him alive.That's quite illogical. How could something that ruins health keep alive?

You can't really directly compare DB stats because of the numerous inconsistencies. Gai has a 5 to Kimi's 4.5. However, Kimimaro fought Naruto and Lee prior to fighting Gaara (who has a 5) and still outlasted him. That was what i based my statement on.Kimi didn't outlast Gaara, he died. Gaara wasn't even exhausted.

Gaara was weak and wasn't even aiming for Gai. Kimimaro actually survived being crushed by that same jutsu that Gai knocked away, and worse.It wasn't exactly the same jutsu. I told you before, during exams he had been using strengthened sand from his gourd. It's a big difference, normal sand isn't near it's endurance and power. Fight against Deidara supports my statement.

The Truth

04-15-2007, 04:27 PM

Look, not every hit is a 100% successful. There are better and worse punches performed by the same person. She didn't trash Oro, ok. But she was close and she would definitely do it if the fight lasted longer.
So are you changing your original statement? Because the point your clinging to makes no sense. Tsunade uses her monstrous strength in every punch, the only time she hasn't is when she knocked out Shizune. Your point that she would have broken Oro's bones, had he not runaway, implies that she wasn't using all of her strength, which makes no sense. She landed a full on punch, that was 100% successful and with her perfect chakra control, she should have taken his head off.
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Your original scan had worked fine for me. It still doesn't say that a Tsunade punch has any special properties. Unless your comparing it to Jyuuken? Tsunade uses the chakra to enhance her strength, that is all.
No you're not right, your statement is like saying: "Naruto beat Neji? Eh it's a plot-no-jutsu, it doesn't count. No. Every single fact stated in manga/anime counts here.
Did i say Tsunade never punched Kabuto? I said they weren't fighting. Stopping to explain your techniques, while closing your eyes to adjust your glasses, means you have stopped fighting. The same way, Gai kicking Jiraiya doesn't mean Gai>Jiraiya, or that Shizune getting hit by Tsunade doesn't mean that Sakura(who dodged all of Tsunade's attacks)>Shizune. The difference is that Tsunade attacked Shizune unexpectedly and Sakura knew it was coming.
-_- this is going nowhere.
That is the inevitable conclusion when you make unsubstantiated assumptions.

That's quite illogical. How could something that ruins health keep alive?
I meant that the CS may have been the only thing that allowed to him to keep fighting. The same way Sasuke used it to squeeze out more chakra against Gaara. And the CS erodes someone's will. If it ruined health then why would Oro give it to his future containers?

Kimi didn't outlast Gaara, he died. Gaara wasn't even exhausted.
Sure, Gaara could have ran all the way back to Suna. No wonder he took of his gourd.:wink
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It wasn't exactly the same jutsu. I told you before, during exams he had been using strengthened sand from his gourd. It's a big difference, normal sand isn't near it's endurance and power. Fight against Deidara supports my statement.
Gaara's gourd sand is proportionally superior to regular sand. That doesn't mean that Gaara's gourd sand is stronger then a few 100 tons of regular sand. And secondly, Gaara's gourd sand grows stronger overtime, the sand Deidara faced is 2.5 years stronger then anything Gai did. And lastly, Kimimaro survived 2 desert coffins(one of which was with Gaara's gourd sand) and a Desert avalanche. That far exceeds anything Gai has seen.

Tousen

04-15-2007, 04:33 PM

how in the world can you say that gaara wassnt tired...the man used up pretty much all of his chakra...he was lucky enough that he used his sand to save him from kimis bones

Lethes

04-16-2007, 02:41 PM

Gai, or Rock Lee... they are the best at tai.

~Lethes~

Tousen

04-16-2007, 02:44 PM

Gai, or Rock Lee... they are the best at tai.

~Lethes~

how can you come in here and say something like that...how can lee be the best at taijutsu if he cant even beat neji in a taijutsu fight

gai i really dont know what his level of taijutsu is but im sure hes not the very best at taijutsu

right now the final match looks like Tsunade Vs Kimimaro

if your going to add a name into the mix match sure you bring a whole lot of facts with it

Spell

04-16-2007, 05:06 PM

So are you changing your original statement? Because the point your clinging to makes no sense. Tsunade uses her monstrous strength in every punch, the only time she hasn't is when she knocked out Shizune. Your point that she would have broken Oro's bones, had he not runaway, implies that she wasn't using all of her strength, which makes no sense. She landed a full on punch, that was 100% successful and with her perfect chakra control, she should have taken his head off.You completely ignore my arguments. And prove me her punch was 100% successful.

Your original scan had worked fine for me. It still doesn't say that a Tsunade punch has any special properties. Unless your comparing it to Jyuuken? Tsunade uses the chakra to enhance her strength, that is all.Look at this scan:
http://www.onemanga.com/media/manga/page/00008635/It's not a regular punch. Chakra flows through the fist then penetrates and demolishes surroundings. If it was a normal hit, Sakura would just make a big hole in the ground. It's not a regular punch.

Did i say Tsunade never punched Kabuto? I said they weren't fighting. No. You said: "Getting hit while giving a pep talk doesn't count".

Stopping to explain your techniques, while closing your eyes to adjust your glasses, means you have stopped fighting. The same way, Gai kicking Jiraiya doesn't mean Gai>Jiraiya, or that Shizune getting hit by Tsunade doesn't mean that Sakura(who dodged all of Tsunade's attacks)>Shizune. The difference is that Tsunade attacked Shizune unexpectedly and Sakura knew it was coming. Yes, but what is your point? tsunade used a grat Taijutsu skill, it's a fact. You can't doubt it, even if it was during a talk, it's Kabuto's fault that he was inattentive.

That is the inevitable conclusion when you make unsubstantiated assumptions. You said: "Sannin fight proved only that she could punch really hard." So she hasn't shown any evading skills, battle experience, and other great jutsus (but they probably don't count in this tournament)

I meant that the CS may have been the only thing that allowed to him to keep fighting. The same way Sasuke used it to squeeze out more chakra against Gaara. And the CS erodes someone's will. If it ruined health then why would Oro give it to his future containers?Because it gives power. Why Oro experimented on himself, if he know it will cause a side effects? Simple, he wanted power/abilities, that's much more important for him than strenght.

Sure, Gaara could have ran all the way back to Suna. No wonder he took of his gourd.:wink
:http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/217/naruto_ch217_p14.png
He was frightened after this:http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0WwA3Dzocfy0fQNtmifgGxRkxs7u0JejAy5EKeQ*8gFV0EFBhL vE55b6330iVk*N5L83uE!v6e1ROSLBAfC2YXwjHwRYW1LNJ0vJ J4YBxwg55r9UaXX5!SXW8J0t0Q108WDftu9rFxME/Naruto_v25_ch217_11.jpg?dc=4675617467606373098He was near death, it's normal reaction to sit down and say "uff, that was close..."

He doesn't seem to be exhausted here: http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0WwDXDj8c4S4fQNtmifgGxRkxs7u0JejA06Kh9iErZ9BDpMEm! mwWQITLZOJiVf*diQCwPehH05qOG4wr*av60IcpaOVxk3U72sO YN3W6*Q8Ps*M5P4qpVr**4wkrXvePc7SETyVfHYM/Naruto_v25_ch217_07.jpg?dc=4675617467598171301

Gaara's gourd sand is proportionally superior to regular sand. That doesn't mean that Gaara's gourd sand is stronger then a few 100 tons of regular sand. And secondly, Gaara's gourd sand grows stronger overtime, the sand Deidara faced is 2.5 years stronger then anything Gai did. And lastly, Kimimaro survived 2 desert coffins(one of which was with Gaara's gourd sand) and a Desert avalanche. That far exceeds anything Gai has seen.
Good point, but it doesn't prove Gai wouldn't be able to pierce through it, avoid it or defend himself from it.

The Truth

04-16-2007, 05:33 PM

You completely ignore my arguments. And prove me her punch was 100% successful.
I have no clue what you're talking about here.
Look at this scan:
http://www.onemanga.com/media/manga/page/00008635/It's not a regular punch. Chakra flows through the fist then penetrates and demolishes surroundings. If it was a normal hit, Sakura would just make a big hole in the ground. It's not a regular punch.
She uses chakra to enhance her strength, to make her punch harder then she would normally. Your scan refers to that process. No where does it state that her punch has any additional properties, as you originally implied. Using chakra to enhance your strength is no different then using it to enhance your sense of smell. A nose is still a nose and a fist is still a fist. That is unless it states that the chakra changes more then just strength.
No. You said: "Getting hit while giving a pep talk doesn't count".
My apologies, in the most literal sense you are right. I assumed you'd see the to points as interchangeable.
Yes, but what is your point? tsunade used a grat Taijutsu skill, it's a fact. You can't doubt it, even if it was during a talk, it's Kabuto's fault that he was inattentive.
Yes, it doesn't change the fact that when both were paying attention, Tsunade was unable to hit him. Someone who according to you has unrivaled taijutsu skill among the Sannin, could only muster a sucker punch. And no, it isn't a "fact" that Tsunade used a great taijutsu skill.
You said: "Sannin fight proved only that she could punch really hard." So she hasn't shown any evading skills, battle experience, and other great jutsus (but they probably don't count in this tournament)
Her taijutsu skills in the Sannin fight were unimpressive, but that is a matter of opinion. She was, but for one hit, unsuccessful in fighting a combatant, that is a fact. The only thing that fight proved is that she is really strong.
Because it gives power. Why Oro experimented on himself, if he know it will cause a side effects? Simple, he wanted power/abilities, that's much more important for him than strenght.
Your wrong. Oro wouldn't give a CS to his self described perfect container if it would ruin his health. That would completely defeat the purpose of Oro's goal of eternal life.
He was frightened after this:He was near death, it's normal reaction to sit down and say "uff, that was close..."

He doesn't seem to be exhausted here:
Your own scans contradict your point. The first one takes place after the second, and Gaara's sweating a river(that is the common depiction of exhaustion). The second scan is irrelevant because it is countered by the first and the one I posted. Gaara had no reason to remove his gourd (first time he's done it IIRC) and lay down if he wasn't tired.
Good point, but it doesn't prove Gai wouldn't be able to pierce through it, avoid it or defend himself from it.
No, you can assume based on nothing that he can, but that was never my point. You said that Gai should be able to match the strength of the jutsus Kimi faced, yet haven't proven it.

Tousen

04-16-2007, 05:42 PM

where are you two going with this????

the 100 dollar question of the day is can she beat kimimaro

Spell

04-17-2007, 04:41 PM

I have no clue what you're talking about here.Not every hit is 100% successful.

She uses chakra to enhance her strength, to make her punch harder then she would normally. Your scan refers to that process. No where does it state that her punch has any additional properties, as you originally implied. Using chakra to enhance your strength is no different then using it to enhance your sense of smell. A nose is still a nose and a fist is still a fist. That is unless it states that the chakra changes more then just strength.Her chakra pierces through the targed, disintegrating it completely. It is not a regular punch. There is a difference.

And no, it isn't a "fact" that Tsunade used a great taijutsu skill.So in your opinion it wasn't a great skill?
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0WwC8DkIc1i8fQNtmifgGxbXI66M6fhBSwVsAWpiRq*imCp!A5 aoP6k4*KMUhdqXfwWXm18YAC5BYyl*d96TFCPn2ri7wiCHAdwI z0OUqE2KBV8acxb3QnMlGCi6aTkNq!vigKgSpvhE/Naruto_v19_ch164_15.jpg?dc=4675617341757204350

Her taijutsu skills in the Sannin fight were unimpressive, but that is a matter of opinion. She was, but for one hit, unsuccessful in fighting a combatant, that is a fact. The only thing that fight proved is that she is really strong.Unimpressive? So how was she able to hit Oro? How was she able to beat Manda ( strength [which she used to do it] is a part of taijutsu)? Disrupting the flow of electricity in Kabuto's nervous system wasn't impressive too? I wouldn't call it the way you did.

Your wrong. Oro wouldn't give a CS to his self described perfect container if it would ruin his health. That would completely defeat the purpose of Oro's goal of eternal life.You ignored my argument again. Oro already ruined his health, it isn't so much important to him. He seeks power. That's the real purpose in his life.

Your own scans contradict your point. The first one takes place after the second, and Gaara's sweating a river(that is the common depiction of exhaustion). The second scan is irrelevant because it is countered by the first and the one I posted. Gaara had no reason to remove his gourd (first time he's done it IIRC) and lay down if he wasn't tired.
No. My scans proves my point. At the second scan he isn't exhausted at all, he is calm and fresh. Few seconds later (the first scan) he is frightened and Beads of sweat stood out on his brow. It wasn't a result of exhaustion, it was a result of sudden fear. It's common to sweat because of fear.

No, you can assume based on nothing that he can, but that was never my point. You said that Gai should be able to match the strength of the jutsus Kimi faced, yet haven't proven it.Ok, I can't prove it, but you can't prove it wrong either. There is a lack of information.

Btw. Nice av, I suppose you're returning to your prior activity :)

Ps. Something tells me we could debate for eternity, it's starting to be boring :/ shouldn't we end it soon?

Tousen

04-17-2007, 04:47 PM

well in case any of you 2 get bored with this one

you can always hop on here

http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=208510

successortt

04-17-2007, 05:11 PM

Not every hit is 100% successful.

How can you prove that? Or what information are you going off of that says her punches are'nt 100%...why would'nt they be? Oro's face was'nt crushed but he did go flying about 5 foot ball fields (not really, but you know what I mean)

Her chakra pierces through the targed, disintegrating it completely. It is not a regular punch. There is a difference.
Once again source of info please that her punches now disintegrating things

Tousen

04-17-2007, 06:14 PM

easy when she punched that wall behind when Oro and kabuto finally meet up with her

The Truth

04-17-2007, 06:19 PM

Not every hit is 100% successful.
But if the one she landed on Oro wasn't a 100% successful then what is? Was that punch 99.9% successful? She landed a perfect shot on him, and as your own scans prove, she has perfect chakra control. So perfect chakra control + direct contact with target= Dismembered Oro. You'd have to prove that her punch, for whatever reason, wasn't executed properly, when all indications show it was.

Her chakra pierces through the targed, disintegrating it completely. It is not a regular punch. There is a difference.
Disintegrate? You'd have to prove that one my friend. Her punches can destroy boulders because her chakra increases her strength, that same chakra allowed her to lift Gamabunta's dagger.
So in your opinion it wasn't a great skill?
Well no. For one, it wasn't a taijutsu technique(its an a ranked ninjutsu) and second, she blindsided him. As said before, thats my opinion and you're to yours. But you can't call it fact.
Unimpressive? So how was she able to hit Oro? How was she able to beat Manda ( strength [which she used to do it] is a part of taijutsu)? Disrupting the flow of electricity in Kabuto's nervous system wasn't impressive too? I wouldn't call it the way you did.
As i said above, we have a difference of opinion.
You ignored my argument again. Oro already ruined his health, it isn't so much important to him. He seeks power. That's the real purpose in his life.
I didn't ignore your argument, it was based on a false idea. Oro's seeks to learn all the jutsus in the world, to do that, he needs to live for as long as it takes. If the body he plans on taking is weak or falling apart, he will choose someone else. Kimimaro was sick and would no longer be a good host, so he chose Sasuke as a replacement and gave him the CS. None of this is interpretation, these are facts that you're arguing against.
No. My scans proves my point. At the second scan he isn't exhausted at all, he is calm and fresh. Few seconds later (the first scan) he is frightened and Beads of sweat stood out on his brow. It wasn't a result of exhaustion, it was a result of sudden fear. It's common to sweat because of fear.
On his brow? His face is covered in sweat immediately, and long after the danger had passed when he is resting under the tree. So saying Gaara wasn't exhausted is to go against what is printed right in the chapter.
Ok, I can't prove it, but you can't prove it wrong either. There is a lack of information.
I can't prove that Konohamaru can summon Enma, but you can't prove he can't either, it doesn't work that way. If you say something that isn't backed up by anything then i don't have to prove you wrong.
Btw. Nice av, I suppose you're returning to your prior activity :)
Thank you, and I plan to.
Ps. Something tells me we could debate for eternity, it's starting to be boring :/ shouldn't we end it soon?
This is actually going to be my last response on the matter, but if you wanted to respond then go ahead.

Tousen

04-18-2007, 11:24 AM

so is kimimaro the winner or not

Spell

04-18-2007, 01:06 PM

This is actually going to be my last response on the matter, but if you wanted to respond then go ahead.I just want to rectify few things.

How can you prove that? Or what information are you going off of that says her punches are'nt 100%...why would'nt they be? Oro's face was'nt crushed but he did go flying about 5 foot ball fields (not really, but you know what I mean)
But if the one she landed on Oro wasn't a 100% successful then what is? Was that punch 99.9% successful? She landed a perfect shot on him, and as your own scans prove, she has perfect chakra control. So perfect chakra control + direct contact with target= Dismembered Oro. You'd have to prove that her punch, for whatever reason, wasn't executed properly, when all indications show it was.
You misinterpreted my intention. I do not state her punches aren't 100%, I just want to show the point, not every single punch is 100% successful. I don't know if her punch was or not. It's possible it wasn't since she didn't kill Oro (or he is extremally resistant more than Jiraiya)

Once again source of info please that her punches now disintegrating things

Disintegrate? You'd have to prove that one my friend. Her punches can destroy boulders because her chakra increases her strength, that same chakra allowed her to lift Gamabunta's dagger.
Sorry, "disintegrate" is improper word here. I meant, "chakra flows through the fist then penetrates and demolishes the target"

His face is covered in sweat immediatelyYes immediately after a shock. Few seconds before his face was fresh and clean.

, and long after the danger had passed when he is resting under the tree. It's a normal reaction after being close to death.

Thank you, and I plan to.
Good to hear :thumbs

so is kimimaro the winner or not

No one cares :D