Uchiha vs Hyuuga

[demontrooper7195]

uchiha clan or hyuga

[Purgatory]

The Uchiha are shit, Hyuuga are the true ass-kicking clan.

[Rockin' Rock Lee]

It's so obvious that Uchiha is better, not to mention stronger.


~R'RL

[Jenna Berry]

Uchiha.

Hyuugas are made of fail imo. :\

[Purgatory]

Uchiha.

Hyuugas are made of fail imo. :\

Yeah...but you're forgetting the Uchiha have AoR, if you catch my drift. Really, without the Byakugan, it wouldn'tve mutated into Sharingan, meaning, Itachi doesn't kill the whole clan, Sasuke doesn't go emo, and Sasuke doesn't go to Michael Jackson's house.

[Starber]

Uchihas because they are much hotter, imo :nod
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[Jenna Berry]

Yeah...but you're forgetting the Uchiha have AoR, if you catch my drift. Really, without the Byakugan, it wouldn'tve mutated into Sharingan, meaning, Itachi doesn't kill the whole clan, Sasuke doesn't go emo, and Sasuke doesn't go to Michael Jackson's house.What does that have to do with my dislike of the Hyuuga clan? :huh

[Purgatory]

What does that have to do with my dislike of the Hyuuga clan? :huh

Like I said, if it wasn't for the Hyuuga clan and the mutation of the Sharingan from the Byakugan, then we wouldn't have the little emo lad known as Sasuke.

What I'm trying to interpret is that the Uchiha would've been nothing had the Hyuuga Clan never existed.

[Jenna Berry]

Yeah, I know that, but it has nothing to do with my dislike for the Hyuuga clan. I know the Uchiha came from them. I just like the Uchiha more.

And please stop bashing Sasuke. ;-;

[Darkened_Uchihaz]

I prefer the Uchiha clan over the Hyuuga. Sure, the Byakugan is cool and everything, but the Sharingan sounds better and looks better...=P

[Saosin]

Uchiha.

I don't like the Hyuuga clan.

[Jannoy]

I like both...

But Uchiha gets more love. :spaz

[Soi Fon]

Hyuuga! :yell

[Jannoy]

Its mostly because the sharingan is cooler looking
:noworry

It's mostly cuz I like Sasuke better. Neji is cool too. Buy Uchiha is :spaz

imo. :nod

[Jannoy]

Its mostly because the sharingan is cooler looking
:noworry

It's mostly cuz I like Sasuke better. Neji is cool too. But Uchiha is :spaz

imo. :nod

[Ephrum]

Well, I have two opinions on the matter, actually. In terms of kekkei genkai, the Uchiha are better. I mean, come on. What greater ability is there than the ability to learn something in an instant that would otherwise take weeks, months, or even years to learn? Applied in real life, a Sharingan user could play any instrument perfectly just by witnessing the technique.

However, the overall better clan would have to be the Hyuga. After all, their ability to close chakra points pretty much cancels out any other ability that anyone else might have. After all, there's little that one can do without their chakra. One good palms attack, and a Hyuga clansman could do away with the Sharingan...

...Of course, there's the matter of actually hitting a Sharingan user, but that's a matter of individual skill.

[Gaara322000]

hyuga own they can poke chakra points and Byakugan can see stuff at long distance range lol

[Detsu]

Well the two clans have there own little advatages.

The Hyuga clan have the Byakugon which allows them to see Chakra Points giving them a big advantage.

The Uchiha clan have the Sharingan which allows them to see the future and read your opponents strategys and moves like an open book.

Uchiha all the way smile-big

[Riyian]

Hyuuga clan, Not that the Uchiha's are bad, I think that the Hyuuga have a better advantage.

[Sasukes_Apprentice]

My choice? Uchiha.

[Darkened_Uchihaz]

Hehe, no doubt about it..The Sharingan looks much cooler.

I see a triple post on the first page..=\

[Kyūbi Naruto]

They are both powerful clans, But I'm leaning more towards the Uchiha's.

Hyuga's are a powerful clan but I think they have more pride then power, that is fail in my eyes.

Uchiha's have alot of pride too but they are a more down to earth family considering what they've gone through. They are also more powerful then the Hyuga's I believe.

[killer_konoichi]

Hyuuga, I think they rock!! Well. More then Uchiha anyway :P

[K']

I agree with EKN

[UZUMAKI____ARASHI]

uchiha are better simple cause the hyuuga fight close combat and because the uchiha have the sharingan which can predict movements the hyuuga would b almost helpless i havent seen neji or hinata use any good jutsu but sasuke has his katton moves and chidori

[bancy]

Uchiha because their clan symbol is just so cute.
And so is Sasuke.
They're just interesting. :wtf

[starblade876]

Uchiha's have alot of pride too but they are a more down to earth family considering what they've gone through. They are also more powerful then the Hyuga's I believe.
"Down to earth"... That's an interesting way of saying dead. :P

Really though, I don't think the Uchihas are/were any more or less sensible than the Hyuugas. If you already saw ahead, I don't really know how you would come to that conclusion. Otherwise, you might see why later on. Even if you just look at the way Sasuke is right now, he doesn't always seem to be on the practical side. As for Itachi, he's not exactly the beacon for sanity.

uchiha are better simple cause the hyuuga fight close combat and because the uchiha have the sharingan which can predict movements the hyuuga would b almost helpless i havent seen neji or hinata use any good jutsu but sasuke has his katton moves and chidoriAs we saw with Rock Lee Vs Sasuke, it doesn't matter if you can see the attack; it matters if you can block or dodge it.

You don't think the Rokujūyon Shō (64 Palms) and the Kaiten (rotation) are good jutsu? :huh

[G-Man]

uchiha clan or hyuga

The ones who are still alive obviously! :P

Serious answer: The Uchiha with contemptuous ease. They just have to hypnotize one weaker Main Family (could be Hinata, could be her sister, whomever) member into using the seal to kill all the Branch Family members, and half the Hyuuga are gone! That, ladies and gentlemen, is why you don't build automatic kill-switches in your own troops. Someone inevitably takes advantage of it.

And since it's spoilers I won't go into detail, but Itachi can slaughter near all of the Hyuuga the moment they activate their Byakugan. It's be like Superman using his X-ray vision while fighting Medusa (the one from Greek myths).

[G-Man]

"Down to earth"... That's an interesting way of saying dead. :P

Really though, I don't think the Uchihas are/were any more or less sensible than the Hyuugas. If you already saw ahead, I don't really know how you would come to that conclusion. Otherwise, you might see why later on. Even if you just look at the way Sasuke is right now, he doesn't always seem to be on the practical side. As for Itachi, he's not exactly the beacon for sanity.

Actually, most of the Uchiha seemed pretty level-headed. It's Itachi and Sasuke who are the basket cases (and Sasuke with good reason).

As we saw with Rock Lee Vs Sasuke, it doesn't matter if you can see the attack; it matters if you can block or dodge it.

You're assuming all Hyuuga are faster than all Uchiha. Nevermind that Sasuke hasn't learned to hypnotize with his Sharingan like Kakashi does yet and other Uchihas might know how. That would be bad for the Hyuugas.

You don't think the Rokujūyon Shō (64 Palms) and the Kaiten (rotation) are good jutsu? :huh

Actually, I think they are pretty stupid. 64 palms is useless unless you want to capture your enemy. You'd be better served simply using palm thrusts filled with chakra to scramble their organs like Neji tried to do to Hinata. If Neji had done that, he'd have killed Naruto near instantly and the series would be over. Well, it could have kept on going but it would suck badly.

As for Kaiten, it doesn't work if you can't spin, so just trap the Hyuugas legs or get him to jump then strike mid-air. Just use clones to make him use it a few times so you can get the timing down, then strike just as he's winding down from the spin. Get him to use it, then immediately use a stream type attack like some flamethrower jutsu and keep pouring on the fire. He can't spin forever, and gets burned to a crisp.

And then there is the fact that only Neji and Hiashi know Kaiten, and only Hiashi's chosen heir gets to learn it officially (Neji figured it out for himself with no training). Other Hyuugas are shit out of luck.

The Hyuuga can't win this, because while they and the Uchiha both encourage strength as much as possible, the Hyuuga handicap half their clan, meanwhile the Uchiha want all members of their clan (or at least all ninja members) to be strong. They say it themselves in the manga. The Uchiha used to be the police force of the village because they were the only ones tough enough to enforce the law on the ninja population.

[starblade876]

Actually, most of the Uchiha seemed pretty level-headed. It's Itachi and Sasuke who are the basket cases (and Sasuke with good reason).I don't think this is really a spoiler, but their father was the other one I was looking at. He wasn't too unlike Hiashi imho. The thing is, even from what we've seen in the dub, Hiashi grew as a person (he even wanted to sacrifice himself for the village) as did Neji even if they may have been just baby steps.

And since it's spoilers I won't go into detail, but Itachi can slaughter near all of the Hyuuga the moment they activate their Byakugan. It's be like Superman using his X-ray vision while fighting Medusa (the one from Greek myths).I doubt even Itachi would have such an easy time killing all of the Hyuuga as you seem to think, especially since, unlike the massacre of the Uchihas, they know he's insane and emo. Maybe with the greater insight of the Byakugan, they might even be able to tell if they didn't know.

You're assuming all Hyuuga are faster than all Uchiha. Nevermind that Sasuke hasn't learned to hypnotize with his Sharingan like Kakashi does yet and other Uchihas might know how. That would be bad for the Hyuugas.I wasn't assuming that at all. I was merely pointing out that, just because you can predict some movement, it doesn't mean that you're untouchable. Once the jutsu gets to 32 strikes, it'd be extremely difficult to block or dodge every strike without using armor or a shield that would have to be already in place.

You're also assuming the hypnotism would work. I could very well be wrong in this, but the hypnotic ability of the Sharingan most likely is classified as a genjutsu. In the Wave Arc, I believe Sasuke said that doujutsu in general can see through genjutsu, but I believe that's dependent on the skill level, too.

Actually, I think they are pretty stupid. 64 palms is useless unless you want to capture your enemy. You'd be better served simply using palm thrusts filled with chakra to scramble their organs like Neji tried to do to Hinata. If Neji had done that, he'd have killed Naruto near instantly and the series would be over. Well, it could have kept on going but it would suck badly.I have to say that's just incorrect. 64 palms disables your opponent completely for a little while. I believe only Naruto's heart and Kyuubi chakra was what allowed him to even just stand up. It usually leaves opponents severly disabled to the point where they can't move, making them sitting ducks. The accelerated healing ability that Kyuubi gives his host would have most likely cancelled out the effect of the Juuken attacks.

As for Kaiten, it doesn't work if you can't spin, so just trap the Hyuugas legs or get him to jump then strike mid-air. Just use clones to make him use it a few times so you can get the timing down, then strike just as he's winding down from the spin. Get him to use it, then immediately use a stream type attack like some flamethrower jutsu and keep pouring on the fire. He can't spin forever, and gets burned to a crisp.Just because it has a weakness doesn't mean it isn't a great move. Besides, it isn't like Neji's one and only way of defending himself is the Kaiten; he only uses it when he feels the need to (i.e. when all other practical defenses, like dodging or blocking or countering, aren't going to work). I'm sure other users would be similar. In addition to that, I doubt someone could use fire jutsu forever either.

And then there is the fact that only Neji and Hiashi know Kaiten, and only Hiashi's chosen heir gets to learn it officially (Neji figured it out for himself with no training). Other Hyuugas are shit out of luck.I believe that Hiashi said ALL of the main house members are allowed to learn it. Besides, his new attitude would seem to seek to change those old ways.

The Hyuuga can't win this, because while they and the Uchiha both encourage strength as much as possible, the Hyuuga handicap half their clan, meanwhile the Uchiha want all members of their clan (or at least all ninja members) to be strong. They say it themselves in the manga. The Uchiha used to be the police force of the village because they were the only ones tough enough to enforce the law on the ninja population.Again, if Sasuke's father were any indication, they pretty much neglect members they don't deem worthy/powerful enough. While that's not as drastic as what the Hyuuga do, they'd definitely not be the epitome of one big happy family.

[G-Man]

I don't think this is really a spoiler, but their father was the other one I was looking at. He wasn't too unlike Hiashi imho. The thing is, even from what we've seen in the dub, Hiashi grew as a person (he even wanted to sacrifice himself for the village) as did Neji even if they may have been just baby steps.

In Fugaku's defense... *edited out because it's a spoiler but you know what I said....

My dad used to be like that, he'd compliment the hell out of me while I wasn't around, but he was always very critical while I was in his presence. Thankfully, he's mellowed out in his old age.

If anything Hiashi got worse. He went from being willing to sacrifice himself to avoid war to treating his daughter like garbage, then he finally got nicer after Neji got his ass kicked. Maybe Naruto's words knocked some sense into his head while he was physically knocking sense into Neji's head.

I doubt even Itachi would have such an easy time killing all of the Hyuuga as you seem to think, especially since, unlike the massacre of the Uchihas, they know he's insane and emo. Maybe with the greater insight of the Byakugan, they might even be able to tell if they didn't know.

How would that help them? They activate their Byakugans, they are all now essentially making eye contact with him, because they have a 359 degree telescopic field of view. He activates his uber-Sharingan, they die. Their Byakugans actually make it easier for him to nail them all in one-shot, whereas he couldn't have used his Mangekyou to kill the other Uchihas since it takes alot of chakra.

I wasn't assuming that at all. I was merely pointing out that, just because you can predict some movement, it doesn't mean that you're untouchable. Once the jutsu gets to 32 strikes, it'd be extremely difficult to block or dodge every strike without using armor or a shield that would have to be already in place.

And it's difficult to get near people who living flamethrowers to touch them. Remember, only Neji and Hiashi know Kaiten, so the other Hyuuga have no absolute defense to protect themselves from the various long-range jutsus the Uchiha will have.

You're also assuming the hypnotism would work. I could very well be wrong in this, but the hypnotic ability of the Sharingan most likely is classified as a genjutsu. In the Wave Arc, I believe Sasuke said that doujutsu in general can see through genjutsu, but I believe that's dependent on the skill level, too.

Untrue. Sasuke said the Sharingan can see through genjutsu, not doujutsu in general, and it's never been stated that the Byakugan can see through genjutsu, only assumed by fans. You'd think something like that would be mentioned at one point or another, but it hasn't, not even in Kishimoto's Databooks, so it's actually pretty doubtful. They could probably see through low-level illusions like regular illusionary clones, but not through high-level hypnosis, which affects the mind directly.

I have to say that's just incorrect. 64 palms disables your opponent completely for a little while. I believe only Naruto's heart and Kyuubi chakra was what allowed him to even just stand up. It usually leaves opponents severly disabled to the point where they can't move, making them sitting ducks. The accelerated healing ability that Kyuubi gives his host would have most likely cancelled out the effect of the Juuken attacks.

I said it only disables the opponent, not kills them, not that it just disables chakra, so no, I'm not incorrect. And I'm right. It doesn't actually kill you, just disables you. You'd be better served simply killing the enemy unles you needed to capture them for info.

Just because it has a weakness doesn't mean it isn't a great move. Besides, it isn't like Neji's one and only way of defending himself is the Kaiten; he only uses it when he feels the need to (i.e. when all other practical defenses, like dodging or blocking or countering, aren't going to work). I'm sure other users would be similar. In addition to that, I doubt someone could use fire jutsu forever either.

Yeah, but I'm betting they can breath fire for longer than Neji can spin in place. And if he's surrounded on all sides by Uchiha breathing fire on him, he's gonna need to use Kaiten. Hell, Naruto managed to outmanuever him with his lackluster taijutsu, now imagine an Uchiha who can predict his every movement.

In your defense though, I'll agree that Kaiten is not a bad move, just seriously overrated.

I believe that Hiashi said ALL of the main house members are allowed to learn it. Besides, his new attitude would seem to seek to change those old ways.

No, he said only the Main House Head (that's him), and his chosen heir (that would be either Hinata or Hanabi when he decides they are ready to learn it) are allowed to learn it. If you heard otherwise, then the dub made a mistake. It's stated pretty clearly in the manga. Neji figured it out on his own, cementing his place as a true genius of Hyuuga techniques.

Even if his attitude has cghnged, the other Hyuuga still have to learn it. That takes time. We have no reaon to assume they will figure it out quickly or that Hiashi has even changed the rules to allow them to learn it. For all we know, he may have only allowed Neji as the sole exception.

Again, if Sasuke's father were any indication, they pretty much neglect members they don't deem worthy/powerful enough. While that's not as drastic as what the Hyuuga do, they'd definitely not be the epitome of one big happy family.

Untrue again. He wasn't very affectionate, but he did acknowledge Sasuke when he did well. He certainly never told Sasuke, "Your worthless compared to your older brother, go somewhere where you might die and I don't have to see you."

Also, their were Uchiha clan members who were respected despite not having ever awakened their Sharingans!

The rest has been edited out for spoilers, but starblade876 gets my point...

[starblade876]

There are spoilers in your post, so I'm not going to quote or go into great detail for those parts. You should edit it out rather than have it deleted all together.

I rewatched a little of the episodes and the Uchiha do seem a lot less bound by tradition than the Hyuuga, but there was still pride to deal with and, probably because of their potential for great talent (i.e. the Sharingan), they seemed more susceptible to it. Also, playing favorites inadvertantly can cause inferiority complexes. Sasuke's uncle realized that. Of course, we've only seen 5 Hyuuga clan members and not really that much of them.

If anything Hiashi got worse. He went from being willing to sacrifice himself to avoid war to treating his daughter like garbage, then he finally got nicer after Neji got his ass kicked. Maybe Naruto's words knocked some sense into his head while he was physically knocking sense into Neji's head.I don't think it was as much Naruto's words as it was seeing Neji being so talented but feeling trapped and angry and full of hate. I think Hizashi's sacrifice played a big role in Hiashi's regression. He may have blamed his brother's death on not following tradition/duty (since Hizashi said he was doing it because of his love and not because he had to). Even though Hiashi would have wanted to go against "the rules", too, he would've protected his loved ones rather than lose one.

How would that help them? They activate their Byakugans, they are all now essentially making eye contact with him, because they have a 359 degree telescopic field of view.I'm sure the element of surprise played a big part in the downfall of the Uchihas. No one could have suspected that one of their own would go insane and massacre every man, woman, and child in their clan. As for the other thing, I think you're making a big assumption in thinking that it works as soon as they look in the users eyes. I believe the user has to look in their eyes as well in order for it to work; he has to make a conscious effort to target his opponent(s) to get them to that place.

And it's difficult to get near people who living flamethrowers to touch them. Remember, only Neji and Hiashi know Kaiten, so the other Hyuuga have no absolute defense to protect themselves from the various long-range jutsus the Uchiha will have.Remember that the Byakugan can see long range, giving them a better chance of being able to dodge, block, or counter long range attacks.

Untrue. Sasuke said the Sharingan can see through genjutsu, not doujutsu in general, and it's never been stated that the Byakugan can see through genjutsu, only assumed by fans. You'd think something like that would be mentioned at one point or another, but it hasn't, not even in Kishimoto's Databooks, so it's actually pretty doubtful. They could probably see through low-level illusions like regular illusionary clones, but not through high-level hypnosis, which affects the mind directly.
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I said it only disables the opponent, not kills them, not that it just disables chakra, so no, I'm not incorrect. And I'm right. It doesn't actually kill you, just disables you. You'd be better served simply killing the enemy unles you needed to capture them for info.No, you said it would be best to use Juuken strikes and that 64 Palms is useless for battle. With just Juuken strikes, you run the risk of getting hit by opponents. With 64 Palms, you disable your opponent to the point where they usually can't attack back or block. They're dead in the water.

Yeah, but I'm betting they can breath fire for longer than Neji can spin in place. And if he's surrounded on all sides by Uchiha breathing fire on him, he's gonna need to use Kaiten. Hell, Naruto managed to outmanuever him with his lackluster taijutsu, now imagine an Uchiha who can predict his every movement.If Sasuke were surrounded on all sides by Hyuuga throwing Juuken strikes, he'd be dead. So... what was your point? Even if someone can breathe fire longer than Neji can spin, I'd be willing to bet that the brunt of the attack would be over with and the rest might be avoided through other means and that's still if they can perform the attack longer than the Kaiten.

No, he said only the Main House Head (that's him), and his chosen heir (that would be either Hinata or Hanabi when he decides they are ready to learn it) are allowed to learn it. If you heard otherwise, then the dub made a mistake. It's stated pretty clearly in the manga. Neji figured it out on his own, cementing his place as a true genius of Hyuuga techniques.
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[G-Man]

There are spoilers in your post, so I'm not going to quote or go into great detail for those parts. You should edit it out rather than have it deleted all together.

I rewatched a little of the episodes and the Uchiha do seem a lot less bound by tradition than the Hyuuga, but there was still pride to deal with and, probably because of their potential for great talent (i.e. the Sharingan), they seemed more susceptible to it.

Actually, that makes no sense. Not all Uchiha had Sharingan. So pride would play a far lesser role for them than for the Hyuuga. Now, if we are talking about Sasuke's family specifically, then I'd agree since he's the clan head and has an image to uphold. However, Hiashi is guilty of the same thing to a far greater degree.

Also, playing favorites inadvertantly can cause inferiority complexes. Sasuke's uncle realized that. Of course, we've only seen 5 Hyuuga clan members and not really that much of them.

I don't think it was as much Naruto's words as it was seeing Neji being so talented but feeling trapped and angry and full of hate. I think Hizashi's sacrifice played a big role in Hiashi's regression. He may have blamed his brother's death on not following tradition/duty (since Hizashi said he was doing it because of his love and not because he had to). Even though Hiashi would have wanted to go against "the rules", too, he would've protected his loved ones rather than lose one.

KInda hypocritical the way he treated his daughter if that's his reasoning. "I lost my brother because he went against tradition so I'm shipping my daughter off to potential death for the sake of tradition"?

I'm sure the element of surprise played a big part in the downfall of the Uchihas. No one could have suspected that one of their own would go insane and massacre every man, woman, and child in their clan. As for the other thing, I think you're making a big assumption in thinking that it works as soon as they look in the users eyes. I believe the user has to look in their eyes as well in order for it to work; he has to make a conscious effort to target his opponent(s) to get them to that place.

-snip-

Perhaps not all of them will persih, but Itachi's not the sole Uchiha in this thing.

Remember that the Byakugan can see long range, giving them a better chance of being able to dodge, block, or counter long range attacks.

Doesn't change the fact that they have to close in to use Jyuken, which screws them over severely. Suppose I have gun, and you are good enough to dodge bullets at range (since you can predict where I'm going to aim), but you still have to get close to hurt me and I'm almost as fast as you, which negates your ability to dodge my bullets at closer range.

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A horrible editing mistake. In the original manga it states Sharingan can see through genjutsu, not just doujutsu in general. The line is supposed to read, "The Sharingan, a type of doujutsu, or eye-based jutsu, which allows the user to see through genjutsu..."

No, you said it would be best to use Juuken strikes and that 64 Palms is useless for battle. With just Juuken strikes, you run the risk of getting hit by opponents. With 64 Palms, you disable your opponent to the point where they usually can't attack back or block. They're dead in the water.

Errr, no. Bad logic there my friend. With just Juken strikes you risk getting hit, but you can kill your opponent. With 64 Hands you still risk getting hit if your opponent is fast enough to strike back, and you don't kill your opponent.

However, my apologies for the miscommunication. What I meant to say is, that the 64 Hands is "pointless" (not useless in general) unless you wish to capture your target. Otherwise, you'd be better served simply killing them.

If Sasuke were surrounded on all sides by Hyuuga throwing Juuken strikes, he'd be dead. So... what was your point? Even if someone can breathe fire longer than Neji can spin, I'd be willing to bet that the brunt of the attack would be over with and the rest might be avoided through other means and that's still if they can perform the attack longer than the Kaiten.

Those Hyuuga would have to get past all of Sasuke's fellow Uchiha clan members. Neji and Hiashi are the only ones who can use Kaiten so Neji's fellow Hyuuga aren't going to be able to save him from a massive bombardment of long-range attacks. If there is a bunch of guys lined up with flamethrowers aiming at your direction and covering a relatively wide area, where are you going to dodge to?

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And yet another editing mistake. Im the original manga Hiashi states it's a technique soley for the Main House Head and his chosen successor. Note the illogical wording in your pics which help expose the mistake for what it is. A successor is someone you choose to carry on your appointed role after you. Why would the head of the Main house choose the entire Main Hosue to become the new head of the clan after him?

[Banhammer]

Dudes.. Hyuga. I don't care if this gets me neg rep again. A hyuga can mane an uchiha. For example, Sasuke wouldn't have last half of the time Neji did against a certain someone. And most of all, people scream "UCHIHAS" like TRL fangirls, cause they think they are the best, but that's just because all the Uchihas they met were little one of a kind geniouses, (sasuke and itachi) while all the Hyugas presented up to now, were top notch killing machines.

[Kagateo Hackarana]

Well keep in mind that there are only two blood born Uchiha's alive today. And even if one of them became an ANBU squad leader at 13, they dont stand a chance in hell against an entire clan of keen taijutsu users who exel in anhilalating your chakra! XD

Hyuga wins, hands down!

Kagateo!

[Shadow_Clones]

It will be cool, knowing the whole body and poking peoples chakra point, but the sharingan looks soo cool, it will be creepy and cool having red eye.

[starblade876]

Actually, that makes no sense. Not all Uchiha had Sharingan. So pride would play a far lesser role for them than for the Hyuuga. Now, if we are talking about Sasuke's family specifically, then I'd agree since he's the clan head and has an image to uphold. However, Hiashi is guilty of the same thing to a far greater degree.Just because not all Uchiha have the Sharingan, it doesn't mean pride won't be an issue. I was talking about pride of the clan for having members with the Sharingan and prodigies like Itachi, like what the aunt and father showed, not just self-pride for those who did have it. I'm sure there were others like his father in the clan, too, maybe expecting a little too much from their children and maybe making them desire power too much. Anyway, we'll just have to wait and see if/when Kishimoto decides to reveal why Itachi did what he did whether it's a family thing or an outside force (like Orochimaru or Lao-Mang-Lon Soup :P).

KInda hypocritical the way he treated his daughter if that's his reasoning. "I lost my brother because he went against tradition so I'm shipping my daughter off to potential death for the sake of tradition"?It's sort of hypocritical, but people sometimes don't think rationally when they're hurt. It still follows what I said though. He's trying to fulfill his duty to protect the clan by trying to make sure the next head is strong, trying not to care too much about any single person. In a way, he's saving Hinata from the burden of being the head. She doesn't seem to want the title or responsibility (though I'm sure she doesn't want to be treated like crap either).

-snip-

He needed element of surprise to take down the Uchiha clan, but he could actually have a much easier time killing off the Hyuuga. Just use his SHaringan to hypnotize a weaker Main House member, and have them activate the seal and the Branch members are gone. Now he just has to wait for the Main house members to activate their eyes, then use his ultimate attack and they all get mind screwed.That would be assuming he knows about the seal. I don't think Neji told everyone what it can do; he just said that he had it and it trapped him to a destiny. I don't remember if the jounins knew about it.

Doesn't change the fact that they have to close in to use Jyuken, which screws them over severely. Suppose I have gun, and you are good enough to dodge bullets at range (since you can predict where I'm going to aim), but you still have to get close to hurt me and I'm almost as fast as you, which negates your ability to dodge my bullets at closer range.Eventually, you'd run out of bullets. Likewise, eventually, if the Uchiha keep trying long-range attacks and the Hyuuga avoid them without using too much chakra (i.e. stepping out of the way or something), the Uchiha would run out of chakra. Besides, I'm sure the Hyuuga are not incapable of performing long-range attacks, too. They just have a preference for taijutsu due to their mastery of the fighting style.

A horrible editing mistake. In the original manga it states Sharingan can see through genjutsu, not just doujutsu in general. The line is supposed to read, "The Sharingan, a type of doujutsu, or eye-based jutsu, which allows the user to see through genjutsu..."Okay, I guess.

Errr, no. Bad logic there my friend. With just Juken strikes you risk getting hit, but you can kill your opponent. With 64 Hands you still risk getting hit if your opponent is fast enough to strike back, and you don't kill your opponent.

However, my apologies for the miscommunication. What I meant to say is, that the 64 Hands is "pointless" (not useless in general) unless you wish to capture your target. Otherwise, you'd be better served simply killing them.It shouldn't come as a surprise for me to tell you that you're the one with the bad logic. The strikes from 64 Palms seem faster than regular Juuken strikes (which don't always kill your opponents right away) and that's why I disagree with you. If they're fast enough to get away from 64 Palms, they're definitely fast enough to get away from regular Juuken. So far, it doesn't seem like you can interrupt or avoid 64 Palms once it starts.

Those Hyuuga would have to get past all of Sasuke's fellow Uchiha clan members. Neji and Hiashi are the only ones who can use Kaiten so Neji's fellow Hyuuga aren't going to be able to save him from a massive bombardment of long-range attacks. If there is a bunch of guys lined up with flamethrowers aiming at your direction and covering a relatively wide area, where are you going to dodge to?Those Uchiha would have to get past all of Neji's fellow Hyuuga clan members... Do you not see my point? You tried to put Neji in a similar situation without seeming to think about it. Why would Neji find himself surrounded, but Sasuke wouldn't?

And yet another editing mistake. Im the original manga Hiashi states it's a technique soley for the Main House Head and his chosen successor. Note the illogical wording in your pics which help expose the mistake for what it is. A successor is someone you choose to carry on your appointed role after you. Why would the head of the Main house choose the entire Main Hosue to become the new head of the clan after him?Hyuuga successors = main house members. That's not really illogical wording. As I've taken it, the main house possesses those given the traditional possibility of leading the clan. In other words, should the current head of the clan not produce offspring, another member of the main house would assume the role after the passing of the current head or after the current head resigns. It wouldn't be too unlike the US Presidential Line of Succession or the Line of Succession to the British Throne. I can't vouch for his translating skills, but here (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=25034) is an old post by Jyuuken made a long while back about the two doujutsu and a few of the jutsu that they complement from the databook. He says it said that the Kaiten is passed by word of mouth in the main house.

[Bresakar]

Like I said, if it wasn't for the Hyuuga clan and the mutation of the Sharingan from the Byakugan, then we wouldn't have the little emo lad known as Sasuke.

What I'm trying to interpret is that the Uchiha would've been nothing had the Hyuuga Clan never existed.

You said it yourself. Uchiha's are the evolution of the Hyuuga. Don't tell me that you really think Juuken could beat the doujutsu of the Uchiha. Shraingan = Genjutsu protection and cast, copy ability, foreseeing movements.

[Murderous Intent]

Uchiha is better in general than the hyuuga. The hyuuga clan focusses too much on taijutsu.

[Master Neji's Student]

The Uchiha are shit, Hyuuga are the true ass-kicking clan.
i agree wit him

[Steven Pinhead]

Hyuugas are made of asshole and emo.

Uchihas are made of run.


They both fail.

[Purgatory]

Hyuugas are made of asshole and emo.

Uchihas are made of run.


They both fail.

The Uchiha are made of emo, Hyuugas are just assholes. Last time I checked, assholes were made of win.

[Jeanne]

I'm rooting for the Uchihas. :P

[Haku]

Uchiha FTW! had to pick really!

[Steven Pinhead]

The Uchiha are made of emo, Hyuugas are just assholes. Last time I checked, assholes were made of win.

Alright, let me rephrase.


Hyuugas:

Plot device to draw symopathy to the characters Hinata and Neji.


Uchihas:

Plot device to give Itachi and Sasuke some relevance to the plot.

Thus, fail.

[Rock Lee]

uchiha they can copy jutsu's.

[number47]

hyugga definatly

[dest]

hyuuga. the gentle fist taijutsu mixed with that technique where every blow is repelled. uchihas can't overcome that.

[lollipop]

Uchiha's will so win!

[Shirozaki]

Yeah...but you're forgetting the Uchiha have AoR, if you catch my drift. Really, without the Byakugan, it wouldn'tve mutated into Sharingan, meaning, Itachi doesn't kill the whole clan, Sasuke doesn't go emo, and Sasuke doesn't go to Michael Jackson's house.

LOL at this! :laugh


@topic; I.. uh.. not really sure.. but, uh.. Uchiha? :S

[Damoss]

Erm, Uchiha at this moment in the episodes.

[Shinkirou]

Comparing strength, the Uchiha are obviously the dominant clan, atleast if you compare the best each clan has to offer -snip-

[shadow_shika]

uciha were dominant now ther only 2 of them

[Yashamaru]

Hyyuga, no hesitation.

Look at their abilities objectivily and forget all the crap stuffs, etc.

Hyyuga: Almost 360° vision field. Can see the charkra holes and close them accordingly stopping charkra's flow in the opponent body(in Narutoverse, no chakra=death). Ability to see far ahead. Gentle fist which is the best fighting style in Konoha (according to the manga) and all justus related to it and they are really powerfull: eight triagrams sixty-four palms, eight triagrams palm heavenly spin, etc.

Uchiha: ability to copy Jutsus, to anticipate the movements of the enemy, to use (at a very high state) genjutsus and counter them.

No way: Hyyuga.

[Neji Byakugan128]

hyuuga becuase byakugan is way better even kakashi sensi says it when neji and hinata are fightin

[G-Man]

hyuuga becuase byakugan is way better even kakashi sensi says it when neji and hinata are fightin

Wrong. he said it had greater powers of perception. Seeing as how it can see through stuff, he has every right to say that. he didn't say it was superior to Sharingan in combat, just that Sasuke couldn't beat neji as he was during the prelims.

And only Hiashi and Neji know Kaiten so the other Hyuuga are screwed there.

[Sweeney Todd]

Naruto > Hyuuga

.. as always Naruto < Uchiha So Uchiha > Hyuuga

[G-Man]

Just because not all Uchiha have the Sharingan, it doesn't mean pride won't be an issue. I was talking about pride of the clan for having members with the Sharingan and prodigies like Itachi, like what the aunt and father showed, not just self-pride for those who did have it. I'm sure there were others like his father in the clan, too, maybe expecting a little too much from their children and maybe making them desire power too much. Anyway, we'll just have to wait and see if/when Kishimoto decides to reveal why Itachi did what he did whether it's a family thing or an outside force (like Orochimaru or Lao-Mang-Lon Soup :P).

It's sort of hypocritical, but people sometimes don't think rationally when they're hurt. It still follows what I said though. He's trying to fulfill his duty to protect the clan by trying to make sure the next head is strong, trying not to care too much about any single person. In a way, he's saving Hinata from the burden of being the head. She doesn't seem to want the title or responsibility (though I'm sure she doesn't want to be treated like crap either).

-snip-

That would be assuming he knows about the seal. I don't think Neji told everyone what it can do; he just said that he had it and it trapped him to a destiny. I don't remember if the jounins knew about it.

I would assume anyone who was in ANBu would know such a criical fact about one of his village's strongest clans. Gai seemed to imply that he knew about Neji's problems, and none of the Jounin seemed shocked by the revelation when Neji announced it in front of an entire stadium of people, including daimyos from other countries, so it clearly isn't that big a secret.

Eventually, you'd run out of bullets. Likewise, eventually, if the Uchiha keep trying long-range attacks and the Hyuuga avoid them without using too much chakra (i.e. stepping out of the way or something), the Uchiha would run out of chakra. Besides, I'm sure the Hyuuga are not incapable of performing long-range attacks, too. They just have a preference for taijutsu due to their mastery of the fighting style.

Untrue. Eventually I'd wait for you to get close, since you have no choice, then I'd kill you. I wouldn't waste my bullets like an idiot once I saw you could dodge them at range, and the Uchiha were trained fighters so they wouldn't waste jutsus or throwing weapons either until just the right time. Good thing they can predict movements which makes determining that right time that much easier.

And the Hyuuga have no lone-range attack except one, and it doesn't almost no significant damage whatsoeevr. It's like a long-range hard shove. Certainly not going to save them from the variety that the Uchiha surely have at their disposal.

Okay, I guess.

It shouldn't come as a surprise for me to tell you that you're the one with the bad logic. The strikes from 64 Palms seem faster than regular Juuken strikes (which don't always kill your opponents right away) and that's why I disagree with you. If they're fast enough to get away from 64 Palms, they're definitely fast enough to get away from regular Juuken. So far, it doesn't seem like you can interrupt or avoid 64 Palms once it starts.

We've only ever seen Neji use it against naruto, who was definitely slower than him, and Kidoumaru, and he was at damn near point-blank range when performing it and Kidoumaru was stuck in the middle of an attack. There's no reason Neji should't be able to launch normal Jyuuken strikes just as fast. he can just use a palm hit instead of a finger poke.

Those Uchiha would have to get past all of Neji's fellow Hyuuga clan members... Do you not see my point? You tried to put Neji in a similar situation without seeming to think about it. Why would Neji find himself surrounded, but Sasuke wouldn't?

Considering most of neji's fellow Hyuga members have no way of protecting him from long-range jutsus, I don't see why they'll be an issue. Remember, most Hyuuga aren't on the level of Neji and Hiashi, whereas the uchiha clan was specifically stated to frequently produce geniuses, though clearly none at the same level as Itachi.

Hyuuga successors = main house members. That's not really illogical wording. As I've taken it, the main house possesses those given the traditional possibility of leading the clan. In other words, should the current head of the clan not produce offspring, another member of the main house would assume the role after the passing of the current head or after the current head resigns. It wouldn't be too unlike the US Presidential Line of Succession or the Line of Succession to the British Throne. I can't vouch for his translating skills, but here (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=25034) is an old post by Jyuuken made a long while back about the two doujutsu and a few of the jutsu that they complement from the databook. He says it said that the Kaiten is passed by word of mouth in the main house.

Then explain why the original manga translates that as the Main House's heir? If the MAin House head had no child, he'd choose a new heir, and that onew heir would learn Kaiten (and would presumably pass it on to his children when they become the new heirs), not all of the main house.

Interesting how his translation clashes with the manga itself. Also interesting to note that his translation states that while the Hyuuga are said to have the finest bloodline, the Uchiha were said to be Konoha's finest clan.

[shadow_shika]

but there are only 2 uchiha

[broski]

i picked uchiha

[starblade876]

I would assume anyone who was in ANBu would know such a criical fact about one of his village's strongest clans. Gai seemed to imply that he knew about Neji's problems, and none of the Jounin seemed shocked by the revelation when Neji announced it in front of an entire stadium of people, including daimyos from other countries, so it clearly isn't that big a secret.ANBU and other people might know about it, but not necessarily how it can be used. They wouldn't be called clan secrets if people outside the clan knew all about them.

Untrue. Eventually I'd wait for you to get close, since you have no choice, then I'd kill you. I wouldn't waste my bullets like an idiot once I saw you could dodge them at range, and the Uchiha were trained fighters so they wouldn't waste jutsus or throwing weapons either until just the right time. Good thing they can predict movements which makes determining that right time that much easier.Why would I get close? If you could wait, so could I. The Hyuuga are trained fighters, as well. They wouldn't leave themselves so open to long-range attacks.

And the Hyuuga have no lone-range attack except one, and it doesn't almost no significant damage whatsoeevr. It's like a long-range hard shove. Certainly not going to save them from the variety that the Uchiha surely have at their disposal.I wasn't talking about that. Just because we haven't seen them use any, doesn't mean any of them can't or don't have any. Fire jutsus aren't exactly an Uchiha clan secret technique. As I said, they only specialize in taijutsu, but they're more than likely capable of doing ninjutsu and genjutsu, as well.

We've only ever seen Neji use it against naruto, who was definitely slower than him, and Kidoumaru, and he was at damn near point-blank range when performing it and Kidoumaru was stuck in the middle of an attack. There's no reason Neji should't be able to launch normal Jyuuken strikes just as fast. he can just use a palm hit instead of a finger poke.Why name the jutsu then? I believe that, when he performs the jutsu, he forms his chakra differently and in a way that makes him temporarily faster while he's performing the jutsu. That's just speculation, but, if it's wrong, there'd be no point at all of going through the stance, showing the divination, and saying the name.

Considering most of neji's fellow Hyuga members have no way of protecting him from long-range jutsus, I don't see why they'll be an issue. Remember, most Hyuuga aren't on the level of Neji and Hiashi, whereas the uchiha clan was specifically stated to frequently produce geniuses, though clearly none at the same level as Itachi.Again, with the Byakugan, the Hyuuga can see far (further than most long-range jutsu). Because of this, it seems impossible for the Uchiha of picking them off with long-range jutsu. In many of the scenarios you present, you give the advantage to the Uchiha right away (e.g., the strongest Uchiha going after the weakest Hyuuga, the Uchiha surrounding the Hyuuga, the Hyuuga getting ambushed because they didn't know about the fight or whatever, etc.).

Then explain why the original manga translates that as the Main House's heir? If the MAin House head had no child, he'd choose a new heir, and that onew heir would learn Kaiten (and would presumably pass it on to his children when they become the new heirs), not all of the main house.Is this the original manga translated by someone else? If so, aren't you taking one translation over another (or two others) just because you read it first? You're the first and only person I've come across who's said that's how it is.

Interesting how his translation clashes with the manga itself. Also interesting to note that his translation states that while the Hyuuga are said to have the finest bloodline, the Uchiha were said to be Konoha's finest clan.There's no logical conflict in the idea of the Hyuugas possessing the finest bloodline while the Uchihas are the villages finest clan; they aren't things that go hand-in-hand. The Byakugan is believed to exist in all members of the Hyuuga clan, so it's obviously finer than the Sharingan, which only appears in some Uchiha. We've seen that the Hyuuga separate themselves from the village on occasion while I think you know what the Uchiha did, so it's obvious which clan would be considered the finest by Konoha.

[X]

I'd say Hyuuga. Because white eyes>red eyes. :)

[Yellow]

Fuck Sharingan. I'm going with the Hyuuga because they could fuck up an Uchihas chakra points. What's the sharingan going to do if you can't use jutsus?

[yondaime the 4th hokage]

hyuga hands down.

[dodgekfc]

hyuugas win this

[~ Son of SPARDA ~]

I already made a thread in the Konoha Library that's indentical to this one, and it's entitled... Opinion Thread: Who's Stronger, Hyuuga or Uchiha??? (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=193603) You can read the 900+ replies it received and find out which clan the majority of NF thinks to be the dominate one...

Anyway, as I made very clear in the OP of the thread linked above, I know the Uchiha clan to be unquestionably superior to the Hyuuga clan.

[Silvermyst]

Hyuuga, due to the fact that most of them are still alive. :LOS

[Lawliet]

Uchihas fail. Hyuugas are the strongest in Konaha.

[hooty mc hoot]

hyuga hands downs

[Sexy]

Hyuuga i guess

[maximilyan]

Hmm.. well most of the uchiha seemed pretty fodder.. with only one or two high leveled nins.. i think as a whole the hyuuga would be a more dominant force.

[Haze is Dreamin']

Hyuuga wins, the Uchihas have 2 survivers :LOS

[Cooli]

It depends on how you view it
If you want to copy everyones moves and use them as your own then pick Uchiha
But if you want to fight and be the best on skill alone then choose hyuuga

[Sōsuke Aizen]

to me, uchiha's are stronger.

[Dark Kakashi]

Well since the OP said Uchiha Clan or Hyuuga obviously is Hyuuga since they still have a clan and the Uchiha Clan is pretty much wiped out. Itachi can not go into the Hyuuga Clan and do what he did to the Uchihas. He would get beat so fast in that invasion it won't be funny. So basically it would be an entire clan vs Itachi and well I guess Sasuke and Sasuke would just watch cause he would not stand a chance anyway he is not Itachi level. The Hyuugas would see him coming and would not be surprised and it would only take one hit to take Itachi out since that is Jyuuken does One Hit KOs, at least when Hiashi does it. =p

[Yondaime The Yellow Flash]

Well since the OP said Uchiha Clan or Hyuuga obviously is Hyuuga since they still have a clan and the Uchiha Clan is pretty much wiped out. Itachi can not go into the Hyuuga Clan and do what he did to the Uchihas. He would get beat so fast in that invasion it won't be funny. So basically it would be an entire clan vs Itachi and well I guess Sasuke and Sasuke would just watch cause he would not stand a chance anyway he is not Itachi level. The Hyuugas would see him coming and would not be surprised and it would only take one hit to take Itachi out since that is Jyuuken does One Hit KOs, at least when Hiashi does it. =p

I beg to differ. I think Itachi and Sasuke could destroy the Hyuuga Clan together. But in a one-on-one battle I think the Sharingan is inferior to the Byakugan.

[Dark Kakashi]

Sasuke would not last long when he is surrounded by Hyuugas. They can easily take Sasuke out. Itachi would be the problem but considering and entire clan is there with vision that can see them no matter where they are and the ability to Jyuuken. It will only take one hit to seal their Sharingan and one hit to take them out basically. One on one Itachi and Sasuke win. But the Hyuuga are not like the Uchihas. Itachi does not know their weakness cause he is not from the clan. He obviously knew how to handle Uchihas since he was from the clan and knows their weaknesses. Hyuugas are different they won't be surprised cause of their near 360 degree vision. Unlike the Uchiha the Byakugan is dominant so pretty much they are born with it. The Uchihas have to discover and unlock their Sharingan. So you will be going more than likely against and entire clan that has Byakugan. I can pretty much guess that most of the people in the Uchiha clan did not have the Sharingan which made Itachi's massacre so much easier.

[Yondaime The Yellow Flash]

Well Dark Kakashi I wouldn't be able to explain why well in the Dubbed Battledome. But make a topic if you wish in the Manga Battledome concerning this and I'll post my opinions. But all and all you technically have a good summary considering what we have seen in the dubbed version.

[Dark Kakashi]

Well Dark Kakashi I wouldn't be able to explain why well in the Dubbed Battledome. But make a topic if you wish in the Manga Battledome concerning this and I'll post my opinions. But all and all you technically have a good summary considering what we have seen in the dubbed version.

I know what you mean. I am going basically by what the Dub has shown so far and Sasuke's current level which is what my post are intended for. I do not want to spoil people in the dub section so I am not going that way. But this is the Dub section and so far if Itachi and Sasuke go to into the Hyuuga clan they are pretty much beat.

[Hannibal]

Uchiha because mind manipulation and predicting movements. You cant land a gentle fist if your opponent see's it coming. Not to mention the Sharigan is a evolution of Byukugan.

[Dark Kakashi]

The problem their is you don't have to touch them to hit them. Look at Neji vs Hinata, Hinata clearly avoided the actual hit but the extension of the chakra flow, which is made easily by the Gentle Fist, is what you can't dodge. You can dodge the hits all you want but that does not man you can dodge the chakra that is being extended by Gentle Fist to hit you. The extension is there cause that is what they use to hit the chakra points not their actual hands.

[xiaojiang]

Hyuuga. i can never understood how someone can call some guy who wears fingernail polish, necklace and a constant upside-down smile handsome.

[Lawliet]

Hyuuga are the true dojutsu masters

Since the first uchiha was just a failed hyuuga

[Juice]

Uchiha .

[Vangelis]

The Uchiha pocess the sharingan and the sharingan has to many effective abilities. Uchiha's is the stronger clan.

[Grimmjow]

uchiha are on a whole different level than hyuuga:imao

uchiha easily

[saphira]

Uchiha all the way...they are the real geniuses...and they are cooler, not to mention more powerful than the Hyuugas.

[Jetstorm]

lol Uchiha clan would take the Hyuuga clan. The Hyuuga weren't number one until the Uchiha were gone.

[Para]

lol Uchiha clan would take the Hyuuga clan. The Hyuuga weren't number one until the Uchiha were gone.

Damn straight! :yell

[arjijon]

whichever eyes makes me see naked girls is better.

[Dark fox]

Sharingan is better, but theirs more hyuugas left

[Ryuk]

Hyuga is made of win
:dupe
Uchiha is made of fail

[Lawliet]

ryuk speaks the truth.

[Nae'blis]

Most likely the Hyuuga Clan. Teh Uchiha clan had chuunin levels shinobi for the most part, Itachi and Shisui were slightly above. They didn't have any great shinobi. The Hyuuga Clan would decimate any mediocre shinobi the Uchiha could spew forth.

[taiyana_chan]

Hyuuga.
duh.

[Tobirama]

Most likely the Hyuuga Clan. Teh Uchiha clan had chuunin levels shinobi for the most part, Itachi and Shisui were slightly above. They didn't have any great shinobi. The Hyuuga Clan would decimate any mediocre shinobi the Uchiha could spew forth.

This is very true.

[Ryuk]

Their are only 2 good Uchihas ever

Sasuke
Itachi

[Ari]

Uchiha's are better.

[?!]

Sharingan is better IMO.

[Ryuk]

Neji is the shiz :dupe
&
Hinata is made of win:dupe

Uchiha=EMO :dupe

[Kayy-Chan]

Heh, this is hard. I love both of them equally.