Shadow The Hedgehog vs The Hulk.

[Giovanni Rild]

Fight 1: One Chaos Emerald

Fight 2: Super Shadow

Fight starts in New York

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26q74HAUPwQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxRsnwd522g

[Taleran]

your kidding right..........



Hulk




Rips





Shadow





Into





Pieces

[Crazykramer07]

your kidding right..........



Hulk




Rips





Shadow





Into





PiecesSuper Shadow Archie? Or Super Shadow Game?
Either way like the flash, Hulk will be flying into space via speedblitz.

[Taleran]

Super Shadow Archie? Or Super Shadow Game?
Either way like the flash, Hulk will be flying into space via speedblitz.

theres a slight difference


Flash's speed level >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these hedgehogs so flash can gain enough weight because hes going fast enough (near lightspeed) to do that


Speedblitz's only work if the Target feels the attacks and it hurts him, a hedgehod speedblitz will just make Hulk angry


nothing I saw in those video's says these rodents can do otherwise

[Giovanni Rild]

theres a slight different


Flash's speed level >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these hedgehogs so flash can gain enough weight because hes going fast enough to do that


nothing I saw in those video's says these rodents can do otherwise

Super Sonic is = To Flash.

And Shadow can teleport and stop time.

[Yōkai]

The Hulk wont lose to that little rat.

A thunderclap and everything will be over

[Taleran]

Super Sonic is = To Flash.




your video's do little to prove that fact

[Giovanni Rild]

your video's do little to prove that fact

Yeah, because that's not Sonic genius. It's Shadow.

[Taleran]

so the point of bringing it up was?

[Giovanni Rild]

so the point of bringing it up was?

Because you brought it up first.

Flash's speed level >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these hedgehogs so flash can gain enough weight because hes going fast enough to do that

[earthshine]

Yeah, because that's not Sonic genius. It's Shadow.
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and it does not matter.


sonic's max speed is 700 and something MPH, flash does lightspeed easy.


it's not even close. even with alterations, he does not do lightspeed.

[Giovanni Rild]

and it does not matter.


sonic's max speed is 700 and something MPH, flash does lightspeed easy.


it's not even close. even with alterations, he does not do lightspeed.

Super Sonic. You can't read?

[Yōkai]

Hulk

smashes

puny


hedgehogs

[Giovanni Rild]

Hulk

smashes

puny


hedgehogs

There's only one hedgehog. And it isn't that simple.

Super Shadow took more damage than a Thunderclap

[Taleran]

your saying that Shadow took more damage than a nuke.........your gonna need some heavy proof there

[Yōkai]

your saying that Shadow took more damage than a nuke.........
And that would Hulk's weakest type of thunderclap btw

[Giovanni Rild]

your saying that Shadow took more damage than a nuke.........your gonna need some heavy proof there

Falling thought atmospheric could bring the temps up to 7800 K.the surface of the sun, or photosphere, is only 6000 K)

Temperature of a Nuclear Explosion (http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/SimonFung.shtml)

Compare and come to your own conclusion.

[Taleran]

one dead fucking hedgehog

[Giovanni Rild]

one dead fucking hedgehog

I assume that Falling thought atmosphere>>>>Thunderclap

[Suzumebachi]

I assume that Falling thought atmosphere>>>>Thunderclap

But why ??

[Giovanni Rild]

But why ??

Read my last post.

[Suzumebachi]

You can compare Hulk's thunderclap to a nuke.

But that does not make it a nuke.

[Giovanni Rild]

You can compare Hulk's thunderclap to a nuke.

But that does not make it a nuke.

I'll wait for a Hulk expert like Endless Mike or G.B.G to explain it to me.

They have no problem posting scans.

[Keollyn]

Falling thought atmospheric could bring the temps up to 7800 K.the surface of the sun, or photosphere, is only 6000 K)

Temperature of a Nuclear Explosion (http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/SimonFung.shtml)

Compare and come to your own conclusion.

What are you talking about, and where are you getting these number from?

[Kamen Rider Godzilla]

Hate to tell you, but Super Sonic or Shadow can not go lightspeed. Only form that can go anywhere near lightspeed is Hyper form, and Shadow has never gone Hyper and most likely never will.

Normal Shadow gets destroyed, Super Shadow may have a chance only if he plays it smart, but even then it's not great of a chance.

[Giovanni Rild]

Hate to tell you, but Super Sonic or Shadow can not go lightspeed. Only form that can go anywhere near lightspeed is Hyper form, and Shadow has never gone Hyper and most likely never will.

Normal Shadow gets destroyed, Super Shadow may have a chance only if he plays it smart, but even then it's not great of a chance.

I proven this quite a while ago.

Chaos Emeralds have Unlimited Power. Super Sonic's power is fueled by the emeralds. Therefore, he has unlimited speed.

Let's take this to the meta. You have to look at how the Chaos Emeralds work.

[Darklyre]

Hulk's thunderclap isn't comparable to a nuke in terms of temperature, but in sheer impact from the pressure wave. Said pressure wave can literally disintegrate things at ground zero.

[Giovanni Rild]

Hulk's thunderclap isn't comparable to a nuke in terms of temperature, but in sheer impact from the pressure wave. Said pressure wave can literally disintegrate things at ground zero.

I didn't know. I took it literally

[Kamen Rider Godzilla]

I proven this quite a while ago.

Chaos Emeralds have Unlimited Power. Super Sonic's power is fueled by the emeralds. Therefore, he has unlimited speed.

Let's take this to the meta. You have to look at how the Chaos Emeralds work.

Show me where in one of the games where any Super character has gone Lightspeed.

Edit: Also, the emeralds do not grant someone unlimited power. If that was true then it wouldn't take more than one Chaos Control user to travel back in time.

[Suzumebachi]

I didn't know. I took it literally

I notice you didnt demand scans or else you "win" from him.

[Giovanni Rild]

Show me where in one of the games where any character has gone Lightspeed.


Let's take this to the Meta. The Chaos Emeralds are very similar to Juggernaut's Cyttorak. The user channels energy from the power source

And Super Sonic can just go faster and faster,slow time down if need be with the power of the emeralds.

Show me where in one of the games where any Super character has gone Lightspeed.

Edit: Also, the emeralds do not grant someone unlimited power. If that was true then it wouldn't take more than one Chaos Control user to travel back in time.

That's a issue of the controller not the power.

[Kamen Rider Godzilla]

Let's take this to the Meta. The Chaos Emeralds are very similar to Juggernaut's Cyttorak. The user channels energy from the power source

And Super Sonic can just go faster and faster,slow time down if need be with the power of the emeralds.



That's a issue of the controller not the power.

So you are saying that they don't grant the user unlimited power. Which they don't. Also, if they had unlimited power, than you could not enhance them or decrease they power via the Master Emerald.

Show me in the game where any Super character has gone lightspeed. You have yet to prove you claim. Show some evidence from the game (and only the game, anything other than the games is non canon).

[Giovanni Rild]

So you are saying that they don't grant the user unlimited power. Which they don't. Also, if they had unlimited power, than you could not enhance them or decrease they power via the Master Emerald.

Show me in the game where any Super character has gone lightspeed. You have yet to prove you claim. Show some evidence from the game (and only the game, anything other than the games is non canon).

There's a difference between unlimited powed and ultimate power(Omipotence)

You are throwing em both together.

The emeralds never ran out of juice. The Emeralds are stated to be unlimited power in game.

Hulk is said to to have Unlimited strength. But neither can really be proven.

[Kamen Rider Godzilla]

Having unlimited power does not mean you can use unlimited power. They never run out of energy is all it means. They can be drained of energy or have their energy increases, so the power they have at one time is not infinte. You are acting like you can use it to increase your power to an unlimited extent, which is not true. Super Sonic does not gain unlimited speed with a chaos emerald.

Edit: Still waiting for your evidence that any form of Super has ever gone anywhere near lightspeed. Until you prove it, they can't.

[Giovanni Rild]

Having unlimited power does not mean you can use unlimited power. They never run out of energy. They can be drained or increased, which means their power isn't unlimited. You are acting like you can use it to increase your power to an unlimited extent, which is not true. Super Sonic does not gain unlimited speed with a chaos emerald.

The Emeralds were never drained.

[Kamen Rider Godzilla]

Actually, yeah. It is meant to negate the powers of the Chaos Emeralds. It does it in Sonic Advance 3 where they use it to repair the planet. Also, Sonic brought it with him to try and drain Emerl of Chaos Energy in Sonic Battle (though it was destroyed before he could do so). Also, I think it is the Sonic and Knuckles manual that it says the backstory and that it can drain or increase the other Emeralds powers, but I will have to look it up to be sure.

Also, Chaos drained them of their energy in Sonic Adventure.

Still waiting on the your evidence to support your lightspeed claim.

[Giovanni Rild]

Actually, yeah. It is meant to negate the powers of the Chaos Emerald. It does it in Sonic Advance 3 where they use it to repair the planet. Also, Sonic brought it with him to try and drain Emerl of Chaos Energy in Sonic Battle before it got destroyed. Also, I think it is the Sonic and Knuckles manual that it says the backstory and that it can drain or increase the other Emeralds powers, but I will have to look it up to be sure.

Also, Chaos drained them of their energy in Sonic Adventure.

Still waiting on the your evidence to support your lightspeed claim.

Actually you got that wrong. Sonic 3 or any other Sega Gensis or Game Gear Sonic games are not canonically connected to the later games. I cannot comment on the GBA games, so you may have me there.

The Master Emerald is the off switch of the Chaos Emeralds. Chaos and order and crap.

The Master Emerald doesn't drain. It shuts off. Chaos didn't drain them. He took the negative energy that wasn't supposed to be there in the first place. Sonic was still able to use them, therefore they wasn't drained.

[Kamen Rider Godzilla]

Actually you are wrong, the earlier games are canon. Why you think they aren't is beyond me.

The Master Emerald is not an off switch. It can negate or increase the energy of the Emeralds.

The negative energy was meant to be there. Chaos used it, draining them of some of their power. So yeah, they were drained. Sonic just doesn't use all of the power of the Emeralds to go Super, he uses the postively charged energy.

[Giovanni Rild]

Actually you are wrong, the earlier games are canon. Why you think they aren't is beyond me.

The Master Emerald is not an off switch. It can negate or increase the energy of the Emeralds.

The negative energy was meant to be there. Chaos used it, draining them of some of their power. So yeah, they were drained. Sonic just doesn't use all of the power of the Emeralds to go Super, he uses the postively charged energy.

That's a separate debate for another board. There's nothing that gives a clue that the older games are cannon. Sonic 3 isn't connected to the 3D games. Hyper Sonic isn't Cannon except in Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

Sega never said it was.

A corrupted Chaos put the negative energy in the emeralds. The Master Emerald doesn't drain the power of the Chaos Emeralds, I might be dead wrong if it happened in a GBA game. But I'm sure it didn't happen in a console game.

[Kamen Rider Godzilla]

The older games are canon. You can't say they aren't. They both have Sonic, they both have Dr Eggman (he was always called Dr Eggman in the Japanese version of the older games). Hyper form is canon, S3&K has always been considered canon. Sega doesn't need to say it's canon. If it was required for the creators to say it was canon then practically no characters would have canon feats.

I agree that is a debate for another time, let's get back on topic. Post evidence that any Super form has ever gone lightspeed.

[Giovanni Rild]

The older games are canon. You can't say they aren't. They both have Sonic, they both have Dr Eggman (he was always called Dr Eggman in the Japanese version of the older games). Hyper form is canon, S3&K has always been considered canon. Sega doesn't need to say it's canon. If it was required for the creators to say it was canon then practically no characters would have canon feats.

I agree that is a debate for another time, let's get back on topic. Post evidence that any Super form has ever gone lightspeed.

Hmm. Besides Chaos Control(Which counts.) none. What I am saying is Sonic has the potential for unlimited speed the same way that Hulk has the potential for unlimited strength.

If Super Sonic's potential doesn't count, then Hulk's shouldn't either.

But Super Shadow can just freeze time and toss hulk into the sun.

[Comic Book Guy]

Well, Shadow even with the advantage of Chaos Control. . . best he can do to Hulk is ring-out -- teleport him somewhere. I don't see anything that base Shadow can throw at Hulk that can kill him.

Super Shadow definitely have a higher chance, depending on which version is used.

[~Shin~]

Can Hulk survive in the sun?

[Comic Book Guy]

Well, he survived Human Torch's Nova Flame. Not exactly sure how that would compare with the sun.

[Enclave]

Hulk has an incredibly high resistance to high and low temperatures. He can even endure absolute 0 for quite a long time (by the way, this is outside temperatures, I highly doubt he could resist say Iceman reducing his internal temperature that low).

Also considering the blasts of heat he has taken in the past I am confident he could handle the heat of the sun.

[EdwardElric]

Falling thought atmospheric could bring the temps up to 7800 K.the surface of the sun, or photosphere, is only 6000 K)

Temperature of a Nuclear Explosion (http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/SimonFung.shtml)

Compare and come to your own conclusion.

I don't know where the heck you pulled 7800k from, but I'll assume your right. Anyways, I hope you do realize that most of those say that atomic explosions are 10^6 or 10^7 K which is 1,000,000K or 10,000,000K, which is literally thousands of times hotter than falling through the atmosphere. Not that this matters anymore since it has already been stated that Hulk's thunderclap doesn't actually cause a nuke but rather has the destructive capabilities of one.

Anyways, I really don't see what Shadow can do to the Hulk unless you provide proof of lightspeed feats.

[Giovanni Rild]

I don't know where the heck you pulled 7800k from, but I'll assume your right. Anyways, I hope you do realize that most of those say that atomic explosions are 10^6 or 10^7 K which is 1,000,000K or 10,000,000K, which is literally thousands of times hotter than falling through the atmosphere. Not that this matters anymore since it has already been stated that Hulk's thunderclap doesn't actually cause a nuke but rather has the destructive capabilities of one.

Anyways, I really don't see what Shadow can do to the Hulk unless you provide proof of lightspeed feats.

Chaos Control into the core of the sun. And Shadow would break the light barrier with CC.

But I was talking about Sonic.

[Kisame]

Rild prime at its best. Tho Prime is such a positive connotation.

Hulk wins this because those feats are never consistent and neither are hulks


so hulk would just get so mad he would break through time and kill Shadow.


Well, he survived Human Torch's Nova Flame. Not exactly sure how that would compare with the sun.

It depends what sun temperatures you are talking about. The surface is relatively cool while the core is infinitely times hotter.

A supernova is wayyyyyyyyyyyy hotter than the surface.

[Giovanni Rild]

Rild prime at its best. Tho Prime is such a positive connotation.

Hulk wins this because those feats are never consistent and neither are hulks


so hulk would just get so mad he would break through time and kill Shadow.


Please post proof Hulk can control time.

[Kisame]

i posted a sweet hulk clock but it got deleted.
http://www.songs4kids.biz/images/marvel/big/clock-sf.jpg

I still dont have the proof that shadow can sttop time.

[Giovanni Rild]

i posted a sweet hulk clock but it got deleted.
http://www.songs4kids.biz/images/marvel/big/clock-sf.jpg

I still dont have the proof that shadow can sttop time.

Watch the videos

[Comic Book Guy]

Please keep on-topic and contribute. I can understand the light humour here and there, but please don't destroy the potential merit of the topic, unless it's completely obvious (e.g. Goku vs. Sakura).

This goes for everyone.

[Kisame]

Watch the videos

Youtubes banned over here. I need scans so I can compare feats

[Giovanni Rild]

Youtubes banned over here. I need scans so I can compare feats

You're full of shit. I live in the same city as you. Regrettably

[Kisame]

You full of shit. I live in the same city as you. Regrettablyare you at southern? even if you were you would be lying as youtub(allstreaming sites)/megaupload/rapidshare and bittorrents are blocked.

And where are the scans? I thought you are pro scan posting to defend points.

[~Shin~]

You're full of shit. I live in the same city as you. Regrettably

He might be in a public facility where they block websites like myspace, youtube, etc..

[Giovanni Rild]

Basic traits between Shadow and Sonic are virtually identical. However, there are differences. First of all, Shadow's strength, while slightly less than that of Knuckles, is very great, as seen in Shadow the Hedgehog, Shadow can flip vehicles over with one hand and seems to possess martial arts training, as he can kill a GUN soldier with a single blow, though this is because every attack in the game (excluding Chaos Blast) only does one damage point making firing a gun just as and only affective as a punch in Shadow the hedgehog (game).

Next, due to his air shoes, he can "skate" incredibly fast (it is unknown how he compares to Sonic, as many different sources give different answers). His actual running speed (without his shoes) is unknown. The air shoes only reduce friction by providing a cushion of air for him to skate on , similar to a hovercraft, they don't have any actual means of propulsion on them while at the same time providing protection to his feet from the intense heat generated by the friction by running at such high speeds much like Sonic's shoes, this is disputed however, because he can hover using them in some cut scenes, so they must have some sort of thrusters or they have gravity control features. Last, he has different "Chaos" powers that are made up of the same kind of energy as the Chaos Emeralds, and generally are reffered to as being fueled by the emeralds.

Shadow's trademark move is Chaos Control, which allows him to warp time and space. Shadow uses it mainly to transport matter and to stop time or slow it down. Sonic, Black Doom and Silver can also use Chaos Control though Sonic and Silver seem to need an emerald to execute it, and in fact they mostly use it when in Super form. This suggests that all hedgehogs can use Chaos Control once they have aquired all seven Chaos Emeralds, as stated by Sonic X, in which Chaos Control is introduced in the very first episode, by using all seven emeralds, many episodes before Shadow ever appears. The move originally appeared with Shadow and he makes the most extensive use of it- he appears to be best(or at least most practiced) at using it, whether this is because he has a better understanding or it or if it is because he was created to harness it is unknown, probably it is a bit of both though. It is assumed it originated from Black Doom, since Shadow was made from his DNA, though if the hedgehog super formation theory isn't true this leaves a gap with Sonic and Silver being able to use it. Shadow is able to use a variety of offensive and defensive attacks with an energy that is identical to that of the Chaos Emeralds, which both draw their energy from the same source, Chaos, as seen in Sonic Adventure 2 (Chaos Spear), Shadow the Hedgehog (Chaos Blast), Sonic Battle (most of his attacks in this game use Chaos Control in some extremely destructive way, often blasting other players across the arena) , and Sonic the Hedgehog (Chaos Boost, Chaos Lance, Chaos Snap, and Chaos Attack). It is fan speculation that Shadow refers to Chaos Control as "the ultimate power" because it can be molded as such, giving him a practically unlimited amount of attacks.

In Sonic Adventure 2 and Shadow the Hedgehog, Shadow uses a move called Chaos Spear. Chaos Spear is a powerful lightning bolt that can be shot rapidly, or charged as a single powerful bolt. In Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic the Hedgehog, Shadow uses Chaos Blast. Chaos Blast creates a powerful explosion that destroys everything within a 20 yard radius (Note: "Chaos Burst" from Sonic Battle may be Chaos Blast to a smaller degree which would make sense given that a regularly sized Chaos Blast in Sonic Battle's small playing fields would likely attack all opponents at once, no matter where they are, whereas the smaller version has a smaller range that can only hit all opponents if the player is surrounded). Both moves are highly destructive.

In Sonic the Hedgehog, Shadow uses four new abilities, some of which need to be unlocked by purchasing them in the store. Chaos Boost is when Shadow starts to glow red (similar to when Chaos Blast is activated) and he becomes invincible to most enemy attacks. Chaos Snap allows Shadow to instantly teleport in front of up to five enemies in a chain of attacks (which may be based off of the way Chaos Control was represented in Shadow the Hedgehog's prerendered intro). Chaos Lance is when Shadow fires multiple Chaos Spear attacks, although he is red during this attack. Chaos Attack is when, after using a Homing Attack on an enemy, Shadow rapidly attacks the enemy, doing consecutive damage with each hit. He is also seen doing a spin kick similar to Sonic's, but with slightly more power.

As shown in Sonic the Hedgehog, Shadow will become even more powerful if he takes off the rings on his wrists (as the rings restrain him from overusing his power). It is possible that Shadow would unleash even more of his energy, if he takes off all four of his rings (on both of his wrists and ankles), and (obviously) he'd become stronger while additionally reaching his Super form. This can also be seen in Sonic X, where Shadow loses his rings when trying to stop the ARK from crashing to earth (he never did lose them in Sonic Adventure 2). Sonic later enters the ARK with one of Shadow's rings in his hands, presuming Shadow dead. Perhaps Gerald Robotnik implemented the rings to keep Shadow from becoming unruly like his prototype, the Biolizard.

All Chaos powers in the Sonic the Hedgehog comics come from the greatest power in the universe, the Chaos Force (also referred to as "The Power of Chaos"), a mystical energy field that serves as wellspring for all Chaos powers, and the Chaos Emeralds are open gates into this energy feild, like faucets which bring water from a well. Knuckles states at one point that Shadow must have direct access to this energy, even without an emerald, displayed when Shadow sub-consciously halted a squadron of 'Metal Sonic Troopers' using Chaos Control in the absence of an Emerald.

In Shadow the Hedgehog, Shadow has shown that he can also use a wide range of close-combat weapons, firearms, semi-automatics, and heavy assault weapons. He can also improvise with debris, and drive a wide range of vehicles. Though it is unknown how he learned to drive, or if he has a license.

Another trademark of Shadow is his Air Shoes, which are also called Jet Shoes or Hover Shoes (a slightly different pair called "Darkness" appeared in Sonic Riders). These utilize hover jets in the soles of the shoes to reduce friction and enable Shadow to "skate" incredibly fast (see previous note on this), as well as hover in mid-air, so it is speculated that they have some sort of propulsion, or perhaps a sort of gravity control. It has also been noted that when Shadow is accelerating he does not use the Air Shoes, but flips them on just before he reaches his top speed. Just how he turns his shoes on and off is unknown, though it is not unlikely that there is some sort of button on the insides of the shoe, which perhaps would be pushed using ones toe!

By harnessing the power of the seven Chaos Emeralds, Shadow is able to use super transformation. The abilities then presented to him are similar to those used by Super Sonic.
Here. Wiki will do.

Comics aren't canon.

[Comic Book Guy]

You're full of shit. I live in the same city as you. Regrettably

Indignation, please refrain from such language.

are you at southern? even if you were you would be lying as youtub(allstreaming sites)/megaupload/rapidshare and bittorrents are blocked.

I can understand that some computer terminals at certain facilities would have such things blocked.

And where are the scans? I thought you are pro scan posting to defend points.

Shadow the Hedgehog originates from a video game; videos are the evidence for Shadow here.

With regards to Chaos Control, it can manipulate both space and time.

In-game, Chaos Control can stop time completely (SA2).

Cutscene, Chaos Control was used to prevent the FinalHazard from crashing into Earth by teleporting it (SA2).

Cutscene, Chaos Control was used by Sonic to escape his death in an escape pod launched into space by teleporting back on Ark.

He might be in a public facility where they block websites like myspace, youtube, etc..

Indeed. I've encountered something similar in the past.

[Giovanni Rild]

Indignation, please refrain from such language.



I can understand that some computer terminals at certain facilities would have such things blocked.



Shadow the Hedgehog originates from a video game; videos are the evidence for Shadow here.



Indeed. I've encountered something similar in the past.

I'm very sorry.

[Comic Book Guy]

To get back on topic, Super Shadow is the best bet that Shadow have of combatting Hulk, and even then, he'd be hardpressed still.

Sure wins for Shadow is ring-out by utilizing Chaos Control. But by KO or death, it'd be a lot harder.

[killfox]

Is Shadows teleportation limited to whole bodies? If not shouldnt he be able to stop time then teleport half of the hulks body else where?

[Giovanni Rild]

Is Shadows teleportation limited to whole bodies? If not shouldnt he be able to stop time then teleport half of the hulks body else where?

He's never teleported half of something. That's why I think the core of the Sun is his best bet.

[Shinkirou]

Shadow could always teleport him into a blackhole or some shit.

[Hale]

Hey is ring out a valid win in the obd?

[Darklyre]

Usually, yes, unless the OP specifically states to the death or KO.