Sand vs Earth

[Giovanni Rild]

Every fight take place in two locations. Sunagakure and Ba Sing Se.

Everyone has a textbook knowledge of each other and their worlds. There are two versions of these fights. The fights in Sunagakure, everyone has a Chakra Circulatory System.

Who wons.


Gaara vs 20 Dai Li. Fighters start 1 mile from each other.

Long Feng vs Temari. Fighters start 1 mile from each other.

King Bumi vs Kankuro. Fighters start 1 mile from each other.

Chiyo vs Toph. Fighters start 1 mile from each other.

[Suzumebachi]

Sand wins every fight. Duh rild. Are you thinking about these?

[Giovanni Rild]

Sand wins every fight. Duh rild. Are you thinking about these?

How do they win Suzumebachi?

[Graham Aker]

King Bumi and Toph should win their fights...well, King Bumi has a more than 50% chance...Toph, well when Chiyo pulls out her Aces, it might get a wee bit difficult...

Gaara and Temari wins their respective matches fairly easily...

[Suzumebachi]

How do they win Suzumebachi?

By killing them.

They have the equipment, speed, power, and attack advantage.

Duh rild.

[Giovanni Rild]

By killing them.

They have the equipment, speed, power, and attack advantage.

Duh rild.

I hate asking for something you obviously can't give, but proof, bring it. Some kind of proof to back up your claim.

[Orion]

King Bumi and Toph should win their fights...well, King Bumi has a more than 50% chance...Toph, well when Chiyo pulls out her Aces, it might get a wee bit difficult...

Gaara and Temari wins their respective matches fairly easily...

I agree with king bumi part,but no way in hell can toph take chiyo if she is using her 10 white puppets.

[Limit_Tester]

King Bumi is the only one who has a chance to win his fight, but with all kankuro's poisoned weapons as well as replacement techniques and speed advantage, I don't see King Bumi winning more than 3/10 times.

[Giovanni Rild]

King Bumi is the only one who has a chance to win his fight, but with all kankuro's poisoned weapons as well as replacement techniques and speed advantage, I don't see King Bumi winning more than 3/10 times.

King Bumi knows how to deal with speed. Aang's first speed feat was in that fight.

and Bumi knows how to deal with long range attacks. The Poison Gas would be a problem, but Bumi can just go underground then.

Chiyo's ace is the only thing she has to beat Toph

[Suzumebachi]

Chiyo's ace is the only thing she has to beat Toph

You are one funny man.

[Limit_Tester]

King Bumi knows how to deal with speed. Aang's first speed feat was in that fight.

and Bumi knows how to deal with long range attacks. The Poison Gas would be a problem, but Bumi can just go underground then.

Chiyo's ace is the only thing she has to beat Toph

King Bumi has never dealt with Kankuro's speed or more importantly the speed of his puppets. Chiyo is advanced jounin level at the very least, and has so many ways to beat Toph it just isn't even funny. In other news, you are a retard if you think any of these guys had a good chance to win, or in most cases, any at all.

[Kai]

Gaara and Temari win their respective battles with flying colors.

King Bumi destroys Kankurou like a fly in a thunderstorm.

The last one is a bit difficult. Toph would gather all the puppets and shatter their remains underneath the earth on a ground-based fight rather easily. However, if Chiyo does her 10+ puppet technique and attacks aerially, Toph is a sitting blind duck.

So, Rild, were these the biased opinions you were speaking of?

[Giovanni Rild]

King Bumi has never dealt with Kankuro's speed or more importantly the speed of his puppets. Chiyo is advanced jounin level at the very least, and has so many ways to beat Toph it just isn't even funny. In other news, you are a retard if you think any of these guys had a good chance to win, or in most cases, any at all.

I'm going by what they have shown. And none of em has ever shown a speed feat.

Chiyo has shown nothing beside her ace that can put down Toph with quickness.


Because they're Jounin is not a speed feat.

[Kage no Yume]

Gaara vs 20 Dai Li. Fighters start 1 mile from each other.

Gaara with ease. If the Dai Li had the power Gaara had, the drill would have been overturned before it reached the wall.

Long Feng vs Temari. Fighters start 1 mile from each other.

Temari tears him to shreds...and we haven't even seen her post-skip feats yet.

King Bumi vs Kankuro. Fighters start 1 mile from each other.

Bumi should be able to take this fight. Kankuro only has 3 puppets at a time down, and Bumi is top tier in the Avatar-verse.

Chiyo vs Toph. Fighters start 1 mile from each other.

Toph would likely die before Chiyo is forced to use a single of her legendary puppets.



And I think it should have been Toph vs. Kankuro and Bumi vs. Chiyo. That way the fights would have been a little more even.

[Limit_Tester]

I'm going by what they have shown. And none of em has ever shown a speed feat.

Chiyo has shown nothing beside her ace that can put down Toph with quickness.


Because they're Jounin is not a speed feat.


You did read the Sasori fight right?

[Giovanni Rild]

You did read the Sasori fight right?

Yup. I'm tired of the OP clan asking that. I didn't see anything speedy about her

[Kay-kun]

Yeah I say that King Bumi with his experience would win his fight....I mean isn't he over 100 years old?

[Limit_Tester]

Yup. I'm tired of the OP clan asking that. I didn't see anything speedy about her

Because if you actually read it then I wouldn't need to post any of the dozen or so speed feats.

[Giovanni Rild]

Because if you actually read it then I wouldn't need to post any of the dozen or so speed feats.

There are none. She just used Sakura as a puppet most of the time.

You are full of it.

[Limit_Tester]

And the speed of her puppets is the speed Toph would have to deal with. In addition, she also is quite fast. So please read the fight over so I don't have to waste more of my time.

[Graham Aker]

though, Toph could build a solid shield around her...to defend herself from Chiyo's puppets...and just barrage Chiyo with rocks...hmm...

[thegoodjae]

Gaara vs 20 Dai Li. Fighters start 1 mile from each other.

what the hell are you thinking. anything they throw at him, he can turn into sand. here is the scene. gaara goes flies up there, he turns into sand any slow attack. his sandshield is fast enough to block anything. he avvalanches them or coffins every single on of them, that is how easy it is. a 100 wouldnt even matter, one avalanceh and they are all dead.

Long Feng vs Temari. Fighters start 1 mile from each other.

anything long fei does is pretty much useless once she summons that weasel

King Bumi vs Kankuro. Fighters start 1 mile from each other.
king bumi is too slow and old. kankuro's first puppets were fast and stronge enough to kill him. idk what his new puppets do but pretty sure its overkill plus kankuro has way better control over the puppets than king bumi with rocks.

Chiyo vs Toph. Fighters start 1 mile from each other.
the whole bend metal al ittle bit comes of no use. chiyo using ten puppets is all together way to hard to dogde for toph cna only control one body of rock while chiyo can control ten puppets making this over kill too. chiyo also has way more skill and abilities with the puppet than top with rocks

[Giovanni Rild]

And the speed of her puppets is the speed Toph would have to deal with. In addition, she also is quite fast. So please read the fight over so I don't have to waste more of my time.

Toph's reaction time is better than some in Narutoverse. Before you spout more crap, Watch her fights.

And I was no exceptional speed, so stop telling me to read something I already read.

[Gunshin]

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"][FONT="Franklin Gothic Medium"]
Gaara vs 20 Dai Li. Fighters start 1 mile from each other.
Gaara without even sweating.

Long Feng vs Temari. Fighters start 1 mile from each other.
Temari cuts him up.

King Bumi vs Kankuro. Fighters start 1 mile from each other.
The only one Avatar takes.

Chiyo vs Toph. Fighters start 1 mile from each other.
Chiyo is too experienced, smart, and fast for Toph.

I think a better match would be Gaara vs all of those Earth Benders at once.

[Giovanni Rild]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vob-ymfPQo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYTeJhLy6Zs&mode=related&search=

Her reactions are "instant" so this isn't as one-sided as some of you put it.

And somebody prove Chiyo is so-called "fast". I read the manga and I saw nothing special

[omg laser pew pew!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vob-ymfPQo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYTeJhLy6Zs&mode=related&search=

Her reactions are "instant" so this isn't as one-sided as some of you put it.

And somebody prove Chiyo is so-called "fast". I read the manga and I saw nothing special

When Sasori in his Hikaro puppet sends that pin bomb at them near the beginning of the fight, Both Sakura and her dodge every hit

[Kage no Yume]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vob-ymfPQo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYTeJhLy6Zs&mode=related&search=

Her reactions are "instant" so this isn't as one-sided as some of you put it.

Yes, she can fight. But you're overestimating her speed by quite a bit. The main reason she's able to dodge most attacks is because she can predict them by reading the opponent's movements. Then there's the fact that she was fighting against earth-benders in those AMVs, whose attacks she knows inside and out.

Against a puppet master, she might as well be blind and numb. The puppets are usually airborne, and Chiyo moving her fingers isn't going to tell Toph that there's an attack coming, or where it's coming from. Because of the puppet master's style, even Kankuro would beat her without straining too much.

[Giovanni Rild]

Yes, she can fight. But you're overestimating her speed by quite a bit. The main reason she's able to dodge most attacks is because she can predict them by reading the opponent's movements. Then there's the fact that she was fighting against earth-benders in those AMVs, whose attacks she knows inside and out.

Against a puppet master, she might as well be blind and numb. The puppets are usually airborne, and Chiyo moving her fingers isn't going to tell Toph that there's an attack coming, or where it's coming from. Because of the puppet master's style, even Kankuro would beat her without straining too much.

She can tell if someone's lying or not by listening to their pulse, while not touching them. She can tell if someone's moving their finger


When Sasori in his Hikaro puppet sends that pin bomb at them near the beginning of the fight, Both Sakura and her dodge every hit

Sakura was doing more flipping than outrunning and speeding, only because Chiyo knew how to dodge and was controlling her

[Limit_Tester]

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/vol30.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=14630
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/vol30.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=14631
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/vol30.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=14683
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/vol30.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=14685
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/vol30.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=14686

For starters....

[Giovanni Rild]

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/vol30.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=14630
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/vol30.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=14631
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/vol30.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=14683
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/vol30.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=14685
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/vol30.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=14686

For starters....

That's flipping around. You're too easily impressed by speed lines

[Limit_Tester]

Yes... I'm easily impressed by speed lines. Now I know why I think Naruto is so fast. It has nothing to do with the fact that there is a power level progression, and that speed feats earlier in the manga influence my opinion of the speed later on.

The ironic thing is that you are arguing in another thread that Sasori could kill Luffy, who has been proven to move well faster than the speed of sound. Or do you think that Toph is just that quick?

[Orion]

That's flipping around. You're too easily impressed by speed lines

Its still speed,are you trying to tell me those attacks were slow? you really need to stop the avatar fapping.

[Kage no Yume]

She can tell if someone's lying or not by listening to their pulse, while not touching them. She can tell if someone's moving their finger

Wow, she can feel the vibrations of an opponent's pulse? And she can tell if Chiyo moves her finger?

That's going to do her loads of good when Chiyo sends an airborne attack at her, at an unknown angle, faster than the eye can see, and Toph notes it as Chiyo waving goodbye.

[Giovanni Rild]

Its still speed,are you trying to tell me those attacks were slow? you really need to stop the avatar fapping.

I'm saying that page is no proof is their speed.

@Limit_Tester: Speed feats by other people than Sasori

[thegoodjae]

if you were stroner than me by 2 times, but i was around 5 times as fast as you, i would kill you easy. specially if you were blind and couldnt see my attacks because they would be puppets.

but then chiyo is stronger and faster. now what the hell are you thinking rild. just read the fight and realize that avatar is just a good show but not that strong...toph isnt like gaara, who can basically do anything with the sand. she also can only control one mass of rock at a time. and she can only move it or shift its shape, not both at the same time.


she has no durablility either and doesnt have even have an auto sand shield. attacks coming from air wuld easily kill her as shown when aang beat her with an air attack. if she makes a shield around her, then after making it, then chiyo can just break the rocks, plus she would have less space to bend.



anything toph does is pointless because 5 puppets can basically be defense while be offense and on the other hand, toph can only control one mass of rock while chiyo can control 10 puppets, and toph wouldnt stand a chance against that due to nnot being fast enough to.

just accept it dude. chiyo has the right style to kill toph and is stronger and faster and has more ways to attack.

[Suzumebachi]

I'm saying that page is no proof is their speed.

@Limit_Tester: Speed feats by other people than Sasori

And you're ONLY saying that because you really want Avatar to win. Your bias blinds you. Always has.

[Giovanni Rild]

And you're ONLY saying that because you really want Avatar to win. Your bias blinds you. Always has.

I think you and your group aren't debating fairly. You assume people can move fast because other people did.

Chiyo lacks the the feats you claim she have.

This is not how the OB works.

[Suzumebachi]

I think you and your group aren't debating fairly. You assume people can move fast because other people did.

Chiyo lacks the the feats you claim she have.

This is not how the OB works.

....what the hell?

I think you arent debating AT ALL. When people bring you evidence, you just say "Nope." You just ignore it.

Again, you arent really arguing, you're just saying "I'm right, you're wrong".

Chiyo's got the feats. Look at the scans. Jeez.

[Giovanni Rild]

....what the hell?

I think you arent debating AT ALL. When people bring you evidence, you just say "Nope." You just ignore it.

Again, you arent really arguing, you're just saying "I'm right, you're wrong".

Chiyo's got the feats. Look at the scans. Jeez.

That's just flipping around with speed lines.

[Suzumebachi]

That's just flipping around with speed lines.

Because speed lines totally dont indicate speed at all. Why would someone think that speed lines mean speed. Ridiculous.:notrust [/sarcasim]

[Giovanni Rild]

Because speed lines totally dont indicate speed at all. Why would someone think that speed lines mean speed. Ridiculous.:notrust [/sarcasim]

They represent the speed of plot. You can't tell how fast they are going.

[Iris]

They represent the speed of plot. You can't tell how fast they are going.

roflcopter^^

[Suzumebachi]

They represent the speed of plot. You can't tell how fast they are going.

So you really have NO arguments against the feat?

God damn Rild, you are on a roll today.

[MdB]

They represent the speed of plot. You can't tell how fast they are going.

Best post ever.

[Giovanni Rild]

So you really have NO arguments against the feat?

God damn Rild, you are on a roll today.

Since OPtards know nothing about what a real speed feat looks like, think Ranma.

Then look at this pic.

Can you tell me how fast they are going?

[SoulTaker540]

They represent the speed of plot. You can't tell how fast they are going.

It wasn't as bad as everyone is making it out to be,but still Scuzzy and Limit Tester kind of won dude.

[Kai]

This is not how I want the OB to work.

That's more like it...

[Giovanni Rild]

It wasn't as bad as everyone is making it out to be,but still Scuzzy and Limit Tester kind of won dude.

How? Chiyo isn't fast. How can these simple people be so impressed by speed lines when they don't represent anything?

They haven't won anything.

[Giovanni Rild]

The posters in this thread are guilty of of the following fallacies....

Appeal to Popularity (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-popularity.html)

Bandwagon (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/bandwagon.html)

Hasty Generalization (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/hasty-generalization.html)

[Pipboy]

And you are guilty of blindness that Tiresias would be impressed by. The reason why these are "appeals to popularity" is that ants can't beat the boot but no one wants to waste the time and energy needed to convice someone that requires video evidence of everything, and do you know how hard it is to find a video on the internet of a boot stomping on ants? Your style of debate is such that no one wants to talk to you because you just ignore what everyone says and act offended, then when everyone stops taking you seriously you accuse them of fallacy.

Those are only fallcies if you can prove that they aren't correct. Which you can't. So in short if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.

[Giovanni Rild]

And you are guilty of blindness that Tiresias would be impressed by. The reason why these are "appeals to popularity" is that ants can't beat the boot but no one wants to waste the time and energy needed to convice someone that requires video evidence of everything, and do you know how hard it is to find a video on the internet of a boot stomping on ants? Your style of debate is such that no one wants to talk to you because you just ignore what everyone says and act offended, then when everyone stops taking you seriously you accuse them of fallacy.

Those are only fallcies if you can prove that they aren't correct. Which you can't. So in short if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.

But if the Kitchen needs cleaning, I'm duty bound to do so.

There is no proof other than"Because this guy went fast, so can he" and " Because I said so" going on in this thread.

[Limit_Tester]

I thought it was a pretty strong argument CBG.

[Pipboy]

But if the Kitchen needs cleaning, I'm duty bound to do so.

There is no proof other than"Because this guy went fast, so can he" and " Because I said so" going on in this thread.

There is however something called minimum equivalence. For the same reason that if Zoro can deal with a character its not invalid to say that sanji can do similar ranges of feats as the two are depicted as often coterminus in their potency. Likewise all jounin have a certain minimum level of competance that is required for them to have their posting. Do you think that Gai would get hit by those needles? Of course the silliest thing is that CHIYO, the subject of the fight DID dodge those needles. There is nothing in the avatar verse that even comes close to that sort of sped feat. Aang couldn't effectively deal with the arrows of Yu yan without a wind wall, where as Chiyo dodged a couple thousand explosively propelled poisoned needles AND did the same for sakura.

I also would be interested in how you think that pissing on the floor and hurling feces left and right is considered "cleaning" its feels more like a rabid chimpanzees attempt at negotiation.

[~Shin~]

There is no proof other than"Because this guy went fast, so can he" and " Because I said so" going on in this thread.

You can't honestly think that a jounin is no faster than a normal human?

I also would be interested in how you think that pissing on the floor and hurling feces left and right is considered "cleaning" its feels more like a rabid chimpanzees attempt at negotiation.

:rotfl :rotfl

You're a genius

[Giovanni Rild]

You can't honestly think that a jounin is no faster than a normal human?



:rotfl :rotfl

You're a genius

If a jonin has no speed feats whatsoever. Then I will assume he is no faster than a normal human of their age and fitness.

[Pipboy]

If a jonin has no speed feats whatsoever. Then I will assume he is no faster than a normal human of their age and fitness.

Uh huh. And thats called a really stupid idea. I spend about 95% of my time on this forum argueing against and belittling naruto so you can know that what I am saying contains not a shred of favoritism towards the series. Its silly to think that naruto ninjas are normal people, and just because they aren't as fast as OverPowered doesn't mean they aren't faster than normal. Avatar is however not a fast universe, in fact it is MUCH much closer to normal and its best examples are barely out of the metahuman range and not even close to superhuman, as opposed to naruto where the worst examples are meta and the best are well into superhuman.

[Giovanni Rild]

Uh huh. And thats called a really stupid idea. I spend about 95% of my time on this forum argueing against and belittling naruto so you can know that what I am saying contains not a shred of favoritism towards the series. Its silly to think that naruto ninjas are normal people, and just because they aren't as fast as OverPowered doesn't mean they aren't faster than normal. Avatar is however not a fast universe, in fact it is MUCH much closer to normal and its best examples are barely out of the metahuman range and not even close to superhuman, as opposed to naruto where the worst examples are meta and the best are well into superhuman.

I am not going to believe anybody when their proof doesn't exist. If it a claim as universal as all humans breath air, then I'd agree. But it's not.

[Pipboy]

You don't believe even if proof is presented so why should we even try?

[Giovanni Rild]

You don't believe even if proof is presented so why should we even try?

Your so-called proof is anything but.

[Pipboy]

Uh yeah, so I guess it only counts if I post it personally. Despite the fact that you should have already read all the evidence. Nice try. Either you are a complete braindead retard who can't remember what he reads or you are being obstinate. All of the chiyo feats have already been posted so I really only need to reference them. Either way you don't warrant me posting again.

[Giovanni Rild]

Uh yeah, so I guess it only counts if I post it personally. Despite the fact that you should have already read all the evidence. Nice try. Either you are a complete braindead retard who can't remember what he reads or you are being obstinate. All of the chiyo feats have already been posted so I really only need to reference them. Either way you don't warrant me posting again.

That Chiyo scan is nothing more than speedlines and acrobatics.

[Pipboy]

And of course the fact that its dodging a veritable hailstorm of poisoned needles is irrelevant. Nice.

[Giovanni Rild]

And of course the fact that its dodging a veritable hailstorm of poisoned needles is irrelevant. Nice.

Barely a hailstorm. The Main character's from Hero dealed with a legion of arrows without your precious speedlines.

[Suzumebachi]

Barely a hailstorm. The Main character's from Hero dealed with a legion of arrows without your precious speedlines.

Are you honestly trying to say that speed lines dont indicate speed?

You really have hit rock bottom Rild. You're trying way too hard.

And since you're bringing other comics into this, look at this:

http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/issue091.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=49846

The Flash made a vacuum with his speed. But wait, there were speed lines. He must not have been going fast at all. He must have walked to make that vacuum.

[Pipboy]

Barely a hailstorm. The Main character's from Hero dealed with a legion of arrows without your precious speedlines.

You stoop to semanitics? Pathetic.

And Hero is from a movie, where things are, you know... moving. They have almost no speedlines because they prefer to do things in bullet time to denote freaky fast movement. This arguement is so disgustingly idiotic I wouldn't shit it on my worst enemy. Not only that but the manga hero does use speedlines so doubly fuck you.

[Kai]

Alright, Rild.
I don't care that your Einstein calculations prove that Jounins move less than Mach 2 or faster than a tricycle, or that Jet Li dodging arrows didn't show him performing speed lines. The F A C T is all the Naruto characters you listed in this battle are all swifter than the Avatar characters, and this is the result of simply being a ninja.

And yes, even 80 year old Chiyo is faster than tomboy Toph, and no "Chiyo has floppy breasts so she can't be fast" isn't a valid argument for your side.

PLEASE stop debating against pointless things, because you know as well as Jplaya that this thread is over. All the Naruto characters won except for King Bumi, and nobody is getting their opinion changed because of you.


Edit: Oh hell, for the sake of respect I'll answer that useless point.
Speed lines indicate that you can no longer visualize the person's physical body as a result of fast movement. And it's simple speed in the Narutoverse.

The speed in the Avatarverse are very much near average joe. They have never shown any superhuman speed feats once, and let's not get off topic and get into movie feats because we all know that's your specialty at throwing people off and delaying an argument you've already lost.

[thegoodjae]

omg avatar earth loses. wth werer you thinking by putting this match and saying it was gonna be good. TOPH CANT SENSE AIR ATTACKS. do you even know your own FRICKEN anime. everyone already decided gaara won easy. kunkuro is way more skill with puppets than bumi did with rocks. and kunkuro cna just poison bumi. temari can cut up anythign and knock anything in her way plus wtf is rocks gonna do against the weasel summon. you fail, admit it please.

[Giovanni Rild]

Alright, Rild.
I don't care that your Einstein calculations prove that Jounins move less than Mach 2 or faster than a tricycle, or that Jet Li dodging arrows didn't show him performing speed lines. The F A C T is all the Naruto characters you listed in this battle are all swifter than the Avatar characters, and this is the result of simply being a ninja.

And yes, even 80 year old Chiyo is faster than tomboy Toph, and no "Chiyo has floppy breasts so she can't be fast" isn't a valid argument for your side.

PLEASE stop debating against pointless things, because you know as well as Jplaya that this thread is over. All the Naruto characters won except for King Bumi, and nobody is getting their opinion changed because of you.


Edit: Oh hell, for the sake of respect I'll answer that useless point.
Speed lines indicate that you can no longer visualize the person's physical body as a result of fast movement. And it's simple speed in the Narutoverse.

The speed in the Avatarverse are very much near average joe. They have never shown any superhuman speed feats once, and let's not get off topic and get into movie feats because we all know that's your specialty at throwing people off and delaying an argument you've already lost.

I didn't lose. I haven't lost yet. And those scans don't tell how fast they were moving.

You don't even know. Narutards and OPtards will bring proof of their claims like everyone else

[Suzumebachi]

I didn't lose. I haven't lost yet.
Yes you did.

When you resort to nothing but "thats not speed. its just speed lines", you lost. Plain and simple.

You lost Rild. Just move on. You'll get respect sooner or later. (not really)

[Giovanni Rild]

Yes you did.

When you resort to nothing but "thats not speed. its just speed lines", you lost. Plain and simple.

You lost Rild. Just move on. You'll get respect sooner or later. (not really)

No one respects you. No one can stand you. Putting that aside.

Faster than Avatar isn't good enough. It's just a cheesy art style overused by shounen. None of ya can give me a number for that scan.

[Suzumebachi]

No one respects you. No one can stand you.


Laughing out Loud.

Again Rild, saying you havent lost and actually having not lost are two different things. See if you can figure out the difference.

[Suzumebachi]

No one respects you. No one can stand you.


Laughing out Loud.

Again Rild, saying you havent lost and actually having not lost are two different things. See if you can figure out the difference.

[Pipboy]

Given how much evidence you have ignored and how little evidence you have provided (nothing beyond your AMV's of Toph, which don't stand up to the feats seen), I see no reason not to declare this the latest in a long line of humilating graceless defeats.

This is a special occasion however as this is a true feast of avatar wank, worthy of a new taxonomic classification. I feel its time to introduce a new phylum of tard to the battledome.

See, We don't have a word yet for avatartards.

Thus I dub thee first of the Avatards. I think its quite catchy. Its better I think than narutards beause the entire word avatar is in it as well as the entire word Tard.

[Giovanni Rild]

Given how much evidence you have ignored and how little evidence you have provided (nothing beyond your AMV's of Toph, which don't stand up to the feats seen), I see no reason not to declare this the latest in a long line of humilating graceless defeats.

This is a special occasion however as this is a true feast of avatar wank, worthy of a new taxonomic classification. I feel its time to introduce a new phylum of tard to the battledome.

See, We don't have a word yet for avatartards.

Thus I dub thee first of the Avatards. I think its quite catchy. Its better I think than narutards beause the entire word avatar is in it as well as the entire word Tard.

Cut the shit Pip. Tell me how fast is she going.

[Suzumebachi]

Can you cut your own shit first please?

Seriously, you assume that a character can only move as fast as a real world human unless you have exact numbers.

You dont see how retarded that is?

[Kai]

No one respects you. No one can stand you. Putting that aside.

Suzumebachi is Luminary.

[Giovanni Rild]

Can you cut your own shit first please?

Seriously, you assume that a character can only move as fast as a real world human unless you have exact numbers.

You dont see how retarded that is?

Stop dodging. How fast Chiyo moves?

[Suzumebachi]

Stop dodging. How fast Chiyo moves?

126 m/s

Does it matter any? Especially considering how long ago this thread was over?

This thread was done the minute you said "speed lines are not speed".

No one post here anymore.

[Giovanni Rild]

126 m/s

Does it matter any? Especially considering how long ago this thread was over?

It's never over. What is the proof of your claim?

[Kai]

Stop dodging. How fast Chiyo moves?


You should know by now that it doesn't matter. A pigeon could kill Toph. Chiyo attacks through the air with her 10 puppets and slices through Toph's flesh like butter.

[Suzumebachi]

It's never over.

You said that "speed lines are not speed."

Yeah. Its pretty over. No matter how much you ignore proof and never provide any of your own, its over.

[Giovanni Rild]

You said that "speed lines are not speed."

Yeah. Its pretty over. No matter how much you ignore proof and never provide any of your own, its over.

I haven't seen any yet. I'm asking for some now. You can't deliver.

[King Bookah]

I'm afraid they got you here Rild, unless you can provide evidence, you may just lose this battle. I'd help but I know nothing of Avatar.

[Suzumebachi]

I'm afraid they got you here Rild, unless you can provide evidence, you may just lose this battle. I'd help but I know nothing of Avatar.

Didnt you hear? Speed lines =/= speed.

When there are speed lines, a character is not actually moving at all.

[Giovanni Rild]

I'm afraid they got you here Rild, unless you can provide evidence, you may just lose this battle. I'd help but I know nothing of Avatar.

They have shit. How can they win with nothing? Because they said so?

All I see is a pics with speed lines, how fast is chiyo going? They can't answer?

They lose as soon as they do. Tell me how fast they are.

[Pipboy]

Fast enough to dodge explosively propelled needles in a cloud formation for not one person but two. Fast enough to manipulate 10 puppets at once in defense against a hundred attacking from all 3 dimensional angles.

[Giovanni Rild]

Fast enough to dodge explosively propelled needles in a cloud formation for not one person but two. Fast enough to manipulate 10 puppets at once in defense against a hundred attacking from all 3 dimensional angles.

How fast was the needles going? Plus Chiyo knew where all the needles was coming from.

She only needed her fingers for control her puppets.

What else?

[Kai]

She only needed her fingers for control her puppets.

You just lost whatever miniscule credibility you had in your posts with this statement.

CBG, close this thread immediately to prevent flame-tastrophies..

[Orion]

Ok rild lets play your games,whats avatar's speed then,give us those cold hard numbers that you will never be able to come up with,by your logic no speed feat in any manga can be used unless is has a specifically stated speed,just give this shit up,it doesnt even matter how fast chiyo's puppets go since toph cant sense shit in the air,toph gets ganked one way or another,gaara destroys them,temari uses her summon to win,and kankuro poisons people,avatar isnt winning this.

[Giovanni Rild]

Ok rild lets play your games,whats avatar's speed then,give us those cold hard numbers that you will never be able to come up with,by your logic no speed feat in any manga can be used unless is has a specifically stated speed,just give this shit up,it doesnt even matter how fast chiyo's puppets go since toph cant sense shit in the air,toph gets ganked one way or another,gaara destroys them,temari uses her summon to win,and kankuro poisons people,avatar isnt winning this.

Avatar has video. I can prove that Toph can sense things in the air. You can't prove a damn thing, but I can't

You just lost whatever miniscule credibility you had in your posts with this statement.

CBG, close this thread immediately to prevent flame-tastrophies..

She controlled each of the 10 puppets with one of her fingers. You need to go re-read that.

[Suzumebachi]

Avatar has video. I can prove that Toph can sense things in the air. You can't prove a damn thing, but I can't



She controlled each of the 10 puppets with one of her fingers. You need to go re-read that.

We need numbers Rild, not videos. How fast are Avatar guys? Unless you have cold hard numbers, we cant assume they can do anything more than my neighbor's cat can do.

[Giovanni Rild]

We need numbers Rild, not videos. How fast are Avatar guys? Unless you have cold hard numbers, we cant assume they can do anything more than my neighbor's cat can do.

The Video is the strongest canon. Nice try, but no dice.

[Kai]

She controlled each of the 10 puppets with one of her fingers. You need to go re-read that.

It's just like anyone who has talent to do anything with their hands. She had the reaction to block dozens of Sasori's puppets that were attacking at her and Sakura omnidirectionally. That kind of movement to attack, defend, evade, and protect at that level is much harder than drawing a square with your left hand and drawing a circle with your right hand(Yes, you will try this).

Why is Rock Lee impressive? After all, he's only using his arms and legs with no fancy explosions.
Why is Light so impressive? All he is doing is writing someone's name in a black book and killing them.

Come on, stop looking at one fact and disregarding the rest. You're starting to make me think you don't take the Naruto manga into deeper analyzation like the 12 year olds it was meant for.

[Suzumebachi]

The Video is the strongest canon. Nice try, but no dice.

Canon that lacks numbers and actually stated speeds.

Nice try, but no canon.

[TheBlindHyuuga]

jesus christ....do you guys ever stop going at each other.

This is just ridiculous

*locks*

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