Sound 4 vs Post Skip Sasuke

[MISTNINJA]

Sound 4 vs Post Skip Sasuke:The battle takes place in a forest and there are no limitations on the characters. There was a challenge issued a week before the battle so they have prep time. It is an all out battle to the death or until one side is not able to continue on.

[mootz]

sasuke takes the four out with little problems imo

[iander]

hmm, without prep i would have given it to Sasuke but with prep time is quite different. Not sure, I will wait to see how Sasuke does against Oro.

[mootz]

hmm, without prep i would have given it to Sasuke but with prep time is quite different. Not sure, I will wait to see how Sasuke does against Oro.

good point, i forgot about prep.

anyway im still going with sasugay

[durtycheese]

the sound 4 seem relly useless, ill give it to post skip sasuke.

[PinkNHikari]

if sasuke can defeat all those ninja without a scratch... sound 4 would be no problem...

better head to head..

kimimaro vs sasuke post time skip..

[Blue]

They DO get to use CS2, right?

The Sound 4 take this, with difficulty.

[PradaBrada]

If Kimimaro could take the full Sound 4 with CS2, so should Sasuke.

[Micah]

I would have to give this one to Sasuke. Even against 4 relatively strong ninjas, time skip Sasuke seems to be incredibly powerful.

[Blue]

If Kimimaro could take the full Sound 4 with CS2, so should Sasuke.
Kimimaro was practically immortal, and they didn't state who was using what curse seal in that battle. You've got a point, however. I'm just thinking that those four had some serious jutsus - Tayuya's giants and anything Kidoumaru does in particular - and the fact that they handled 2 experienced Konoha jounin without taking damage says a lot as well.

[Dread_Manda]

Sasuke kills them without breaking a sweat. his speed is nearly unrivaled. if any of the sound 4 had the required reaction time to keep up with Sasuke then they would not have been touched by a group of genin and one chuunin.Sasuke can kill them with just Sharingan, his highest speed, some genjutsu to confuse his opponents furthering his advantage(even a moment of hesitation caused by the genjutsu would give Sasuke time to dash in and deliver the final blow) and his kusunagi. This would be a quick curbstomp.

[uchiSINX]

definately sasuke we havent really seen what he can do but it seems like he is pretty good at taking on more than one opponent. and pre skip sasuke did put up a pretty good fight when he fought them without any weapons and in pjs

[Kaki]

Just make it the sound five and they are good to go.... or trade one for Kabuto.

[TreeofSephri]

I swear a character shows a little skilll and they automatically are placed in crazy battles. This is a forest meaning Kidoumaru is going to hide and use arrows with 120% accuracy and Tayuya is going to rely on her chakra sucking monsters. Then Sasuke has to deal with Jiroubou insane strength and doton jutsu and then he has to deal with Sakon and Ukon. Sasuke has improved a great deal but he loses to good ole fashioned teamwork.

[Hokage Mech]

........Sasuke

[Esponer]

Sasuke defeated hundreds of shinobi without being so much as scratched, and holding back such that he didn't kill any of them. That number of shinobi seems to exceed the entire invasion force of Otogakure and Sunagakure during the Chuunin Exam Arc. It would be extremely improbable for all of these shinobi to be of genin or low chuunin level — you simply do not find hundreds of shinobi of that level alone without high chuunin and jounin masters.

The Sound Four were talented chuunin, but I find it highly improbable that Sasuke did not defeat four people in those hundreds of similar talent — and apparently he must have defeated them while dealing with all the others, and not getting scratched.

Nanmon no Jiroubou uses powerful Doton techniques for a chuunin, but at the best we see B-rank jutsu — when empowered with the Curse Seal he prefers to rely on his Rakanken (Achiever of the Nirvana Fist) taijutsu. Sasuke certainly uses A-rank Raiton ninjutsu in Chidori and Chidori Nagashi, and given that he's been training under Orochimaru he doubtlessly now knows far more ninjutsu. Any Doton Jiroubou attempts is at an elemental weakness, is against a Sharingan master, and is against someone who is most sensibly far faster than he is. Doryu Dango and Doroku Gaeshi are probably both easily destroyed by Sasuke's Raiton, and his overestimated Doroudoumu dome would probably be similarly destroyed, either by Chidori, Habataku Chidori or something else entirely. This is ignoring the fact that with Sasuke's Sharingan, the Doroudoumu is an open book to him — he's unlikely to be caught by it, and if he is he'll probably immediately see the way out. Hell, I wouldn't put it past him to know Hiru Banshou: Bouka (the technique Orochimaru uses to fuse into things, avoiding attacks and travelling through them) and be able to use it to just walk out through the ground beneath him.

Toumon no Kidoumaru is doubtlessly the most interesting contender as his Kumo Souka and Kumo Shibari techniques have no obvious counters other than a Hyuuga's jyuuken (as we saw). However, the Sharingan should provide Sasuke with sufficient insight to evade these attacks without significant trouble, Sasuke's Kusanagi may be able to cut through the webs and kumo nenkin, and his Katon techniques may be able to burn through the webs.

It's plenty of maybes, so I need something more than that. I'm going to use this: Kimimaro beat Kidoumaru (fact). Indeed, Kidoumaru's the one to comment specifically on this. Yet, what techniques does Kimimaro have that could overcome Kidoumaru? Either he never got caught due to his taijutsu, or his dances could tear through the strings. If the former, then Sasuke can certainly do the same now that he's at a level to defeat hundreds of shinobi and compete with Orochimaru — and particularly given the Sharingan's insight and understanding of jutsu. If the latter, then what can Kimimaro's dances do that Sasuke's Kusanagi or Katon can't, in terms of raw damage? (I'm going to make the increasingly silly assumption — but true to the original story — that Chidori could not be used when binded due to being unable to move enough to work up the thrust.)

Hokumon no Tayuya can just go home, sadly. Her genjutsu is hardly going to be effective against the Sharingan, and her Doki don't seem to have the coordination or skills to trouble someone of jounin level (Shikamaru's cunning and good at dodging, but still the fact that he didn't get torn apart by them makes it clear that the Doki don't compete at a jounin level). She's at a disadvantage at close range fighting and I wager Sasuke won't be so pushed by Sakon that he won't be able to cut her down.

Seimon no Sakon is the best of the four at taijutsu by quite a margin, but still got taken down by Kimimaro and challenged by Kiba, which puts a significant upper bound on his skills. Quite frankly I don't see his attacks landing, not even his Tarenkyaku and Tarenken. His Souma no Kou bloodline limit is interesting but doesn't change anything. The only question is if Ukon's Kisei Kikai is going to be useful — probably not, because an opponent who can't move around (attached to Sasuke) is not safe from him, namely genjutsu techniques.

The most significant threat is Kidoumaru's Kumo Senkyuu Susaku — his spider war bow. If Kidoumaru can get and maintain range this may be meaningful, and is the Sound Four's only chance of winning in my estimation.

In general, Sasuke will move around too quickly, cut Tayuya and Jiroubou up, spar with Sakon a little and use Chidori Nagashi and probably finish off with a Katon technique or decapitation with the Kusanagi blade, and Kidoumaru will come last — Katon jutsu to clear the field, Sharingan to predict his movements and kawarimi/bunshin to throw his Kumo Senkyuu off.

[hyuuga_neji14732]

sasuke wins

[TreeofSephri]

Sasuke defeated hundreds of shinobi without being so much as scratched, and holding back such that he didn't kill any of them. That number of shinobi seems to exceed the entire invasion force of Otogakure and Sunagakure during the Chuunin Exam Arc. It would be extremely improbable for all of these shinobi to be of genin or low chuunin level — you simply do not find hundreds of shinobi of that level alone without high chuunin and jounin masters.

The Sound Four were talented chuunin, but I find it highly improbable that Sasuke did not defeat four people in those hundreds of similar talent — and apparently he must have defeated them while dealing with all the others, and not getting scratched.

Nanmon no Jiroubou uses powerful Doton techniques for a chuunin, but at the best we see B-rank jutsu — when empowered with the Curse Seal he prefers to rely on his Rakanken (Achiever of the Nirvana Fist) taijutsu. Sasuke certainly uses A-rank Raiton ninjutsu in Chidori and Chidori Nagashi, and given that he's been training under Orochimaru he doubtlessly now knows far more ninjutsu. Any Doton Jiroubou attempts is at an elemental weakness, is against a Sharingan master, and is against someone who is most sensibly far faster than he is. Doryu Dango and Doroku Gaeshi are probably both easily destroyed by Sasuke's Raiton, and his overestimated Doroudoumu dome would probably be similarly destroyed, either by Chidori, Habataku Chidori or something else entirely. This is ignoring the fact that with Sasuke's Sharingan, the Doroudoumu is an open book to him — he's unlikely to be caught by it, and if he is he'll probably immediately see the way out. Hell, I wouldn't put it past him to know Hiru Banshou: Bouka (the technique Orochimaru uses to fuse into things, avoiding attacks and travelling through them) and be able to use it to just walk out through the ground beneath him.

Toumon no Kidoumaru is doubtlessly the most interesting contender as his Kumo Souka and Kumo Shibari techniques have no obvious counters other than a Hyuuga's jyuuken (as we saw). However, the Sharingan should provide Sasuke with sufficient insight to evade these attacks without significant trouble, Sasuke's Kusanagi may be able to cut through the webs and kumo nenkin, and his Katon techniques may be able to burn through the webs.

It's plenty of maybes, so I need something more than that. I'm going to use this: Kimimaro beat Kidoumaru (fact). Indeed, Kidoumaru's the one to comment specifically on this. Yet, what techniques does Kimimaro have that could overcome Kidoumaru? Either he never got caught due to his taijutsu, or his dances could tear through the strings. If the former, then Sasuke can certainly do the same now that he's at a level to defeat hundreds of shinobi and compete with Orochimaru — and particularly given the Sharingan's insight and understanding of jutsu. If the latter, then what can Kimimaro's dances do that Sasuke's Kusanagi or Katon can't, in terms of raw damage? (I'm going to make the increasingly silly assumption — but true to the original story — that Chidori could not be used when binded due to being unable to move enough to work up the thrust.)

Hokumon no Tayuya can just go home, sadly. Her genjutsu is hardly going to be effective against the Sharingan, and her Doki don't seem to have the coordination or skills to trouble someone of jounin level (Shikamaru's cunning and good at dodging, but still the fact that he didn't get torn apart by them makes it clear that the Doki don't compete at a jounin level). She's at a disadvantage at close range fighting and I wager Sasuke won't be so pushed by Sakon that he won't be able to cut her down.

Seimon no Sakon is the best of the four at taijutsu by quite a margin, but still got taken down by Kimimaro and challenged by Kiba, which puts a significant upper bound on his skills. Quite frankly I don't see his attacks landing, not even his Tarenkyaku and Tarenken. His Souma no Kou bloodline limit is interesting but doesn't change anything. The only question is if Ukon's Kisei Kikai is going to be useful — probably not, because an opponent who can't move around (attached to Sasuke) is not safe from him, namely genjutsu techniques.

The most significant threat is Kidoumaru's Kumo Senkyuu Susaku — his spider war bow. If Kidoumaru can get and maintain range this may be meaningful, and is the Sound Four's only chance of winning in my estimation.

In general, Sasuke will move around too quickly, cut Tayuya and Jiroubou up, spar with Sakon a little and use Chidori Nagashi and probably finish off with a Katon technique or decapitation with the Kusanagi blade, and Kidoumaru will come last — Katon jutsu to clear the field, Sharingan to predict his movements and kawarimi/bunshin to throw his Kumo Senkyuu off.

Kidoumaru webbing would put a end to Sasuke pure in simple. He cannot do chidori nagashi without handseals. He has to able to use his hands to create his chakra blade. Kidoumaru merely needs to place his webbing around the area to slow him down. Now, I know sharingan would be able to see the chakra flow but it will slow him down regardless trying to avoid the web.

[Itachi77]

Sasuke beheads all 4 in seconds. They had to try against him pre skip. And now he's taking out armies.

[Esponer]

Kidoumaru webbing would put a end to Sasuke pure in simple.
Then I request you explain how Kimimaro defeated Kidoumaru, and why Sasuke's taijutsu is not sufficiently above genin Neji's to evade them even with his three tomoe Sharingan.

He cannot do chidori nagashi without handseals.
Poorly substantiated from the manga. He is seen performing Chidori Nagashi once, without the use of hand seals. In his right hand he holds the Kusanagi blade the entire time, and the only preparatory actions we see are him briefly opening and closing his eyes.

He has to able to use his hands to create his chakra blade.
No jutsu demonstrated by Kidoumaru would remove Sasuke's hands short of an attack with kumo nenkin or kumo seikyuu (the gold spider shuriken, or the bow), and I don't think you have that in mind. They may restrict Sasuke's ability to move his hand, but they do not stop him from flowing chakra into his hand. (Substantiated by Neji's battle with Kidoumaru.)

Sasuke's chakra blades may or may not require hand seals, but the fact he carries the Kusanagi when using them suggest they don't.

Kidoumaru merely needs to place his webbing around the area to slow him down. Now, I know sharingan would be able to see the chakra flow but it will slow him down regardless trying to avoid the web.
Certainly. But it seems we disagree on several matters of opinion: I do not believe Kidoumaru will catch Sasuke under normal circumstances; I believe Sasuke could escape, and I do not believe Sasuke would be too troubled by Kidoumaru's webs.

Also, if you wouldn't mind, would you edit your post to remove the full quotation of mine? "..." would suffice.

[Blue]

...I'm forced to agree with Esponer.

However, four of Orochimaru's subordinates, geniuses in themselves (if not at Sasuke's level), trained to cooperate and possessing level 2 Curse Seals is not the same thing as hundreds of random ninja. This would be a challenging fight for Sasuke. I would argue that Kimimaro defeated them simply by virtue of his nigh-immortality.

[Seto Kaiba]

As strong as Sasuke seems to have gotten, I'd say he'd kill them.

[Lemonade]

The sound four don't seem to stand a chance ...

[Pein]

sasuke hands down

[Esponer]

Apologies for deleting my own post. I couldn't see the next page, but I could view by post number and it tried to suggest I had at least triple posted. Then when I deleted the second I could suddenly see the second page and I'd only made one post, which was now gone.

[naruhina26]

Sound 4 would get killed except for Tayuya because she`s gonna be raped

[akatsuki8]

sasuke got owned the first time now the sound four will get owned

[Illusions]

Sasuke takes this with moderate difficulty at worst.

[Roland]

Given that Sasuke knows of their powers, he easily takes it. None of them can match up to his speed, and the only threat is Kidomaru.

[Shinkirou]

I see that a necromancer got his grubby little hands on this previously dead thread.

[sworder]

Edo Tensei :awesome

http://img36.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000349/16.jpg
The sound 4 go down one by one just like this guy :zaru

[Itachi's Apprentice 3]

The Sound 4 are probably on the same level as those numerous CS2 prisoners that Sasuke and Suigetsu pwned. They have no chance :zaru.

[Grimmjowsensei]

Edo Tensei :awesome

http://img36.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000349/16.jpg
The sound 4 go down one by one just like this guy :zaru

Scan says it all. This is ridicilously easy for Sasuke.

[BAD BD]

Sasuke blitzes them all with a chidori infused sword.

[TheGreen1]

Blitzing those no-named prisoners is a whole lot different than blitzing kimmario. Remember, the only reason HE was defeated was due to sickness. If his sickness wasn't so bad at the time, Gaara and lee would be dead. Not even Sasuke could take on Naruto Lee and Gaara at the same time even if they are preskip.

[Gentle Fist]

Sasuke defeated hundreds of shinobi without being so much as scratched, and holding back such that he didn't kill any of them. That number of shinobi seems to exceed the entire invasion force of Otogakure and Sunagakure during the Chuunin Exam Arc. It would be extremely improbable for all of these shinobi to be of genin or low chuunin level — you simply do not find hundreds of shinobi of that level alone without high chuunin and jounin masters.

The Sound Four were talented chuunin, but I find it highly improbable that Sasuke did not defeat four people in those hundreds of similar talent — and apparently he must have defeated them while dealing with all the others, and not getting scratched.



Please dont compare the sound four the absolute fodder nins with no name, he beats hundreds of fodder nin...and not to mention those nin did not have CS, a controlled CS at that

Sasuke would not be able to win this IMO...with two skilled long range fighters in Tayuya and Kido, and one powerful short range (well two because Sakon and Ukon) and one fodder...The sound 4 have the strategic advantage here.

while Sasuke is heads and shoulders above any 1 of the sound 4, the fact that they have great teamwork and know how to use their curse seals effectively and they have a great understanding of battle tactics.

and given the fact that this time they will be able to fight together and not have to lug around a great big container, I see them being a whole lot more effective. I see Sasuke taking almost all of them out, but Kido being there to give the final blow from Distance.

[Nae'blis]

The Sound Four? Honestly? It would be more fair if it was one-on-one. Tayuya destroys Sasuke

[Xyloxi]

I'd say this one could go either way depending on the area where they fight.

[Esponer]

Please dont compare the sound four the absolute fodder nins with no name, he beats hundreds of fodder nin...and not to mention those nin did not have CS, a controlled CS at that
A shinobi isn't stronger because they have a name. The shinobi Sasuke defeated were not impossibly weak – the "fodder nin" concept is an utter absurdity. People see shinobi dying easily and think it means that they had zero jutsu and were weaker than an academy student. It just means that the person killing them was that good.

With the number Sasuke defeated, he will have defeated shinobi approaching the level of the Sound Four, and probably above. The Sound Four are of a pretty pathetic level compared to the highest tiers of skill, but people don't like to admit that because they have names and fully fleshed out jutsu.

On the topic of the Sound Four and people's absurd ideas about what 'fodder' is, you do know that all four of them had to go all out to beat two tired special jōnin (special jōnin means not fully fledged jōnin) with no fleshed out abilities and who barely have names?

Sasuke would not be able to win this IMO...with two skilled long range fighters in Tayuya and Kido, and one powerful short range (well two because Sakon and Ukon) and one fodder...The sound 4 have the strategic advantage here.
…and not one of them will fail to be killed by him using shunshin and attacking with anything he pleases, and nothing any of them have can actually be made to hit/affect Sasuke.

while Sasuke is heads and shoulders above any 1 of the sound 4, the fact that they have great teamwork and know how to use their curse seals effectively and they have a great understanding of battle tactics.
If you're not able to keep up with your foe's movements, keep yourself from dying against his opening attacks or land a hit on him, you won't be any better off with another three of you.

[HumanWine]

Massive rape

[☆Northstar☆]

Sasuke would win with little to no difficulty. The sound four I admit do have very impressive abilities but Sasuke's skill is on such a level that ninja's of there stature couldnt even come close to comprehending.

Matching Sasuke against the sound four is almost as unfair as matching Orochimaru against the sound 4.

[RasenShuriken88]

if genin can beat the sound four or five .... sasuke will have no problem at all

[Sanchez1992]

Sasuke would kill them all with little difficulty.

[Truepotential]

This is a joke right? :facepalm

Sasuke's shunshin blitzes them and takes their heads off before they can blink.

[Psycho Master]

Sasuke blitzes the Sound 4. Chidori Nagashi or even taijutsu should do the job.

[nordic]

Sasuke kills them with little effort.

[ZigZag]

I would say Sasuke would win easley, If Kimimaro could take them out then Sasuke could too..