Asuma vs 30% Kisame

[Kai]

Can Asuma pull off a victory against a 30% chakra'd Kisame? He has to get back at him for ripping open his arm like that.

[Sarutobi Satoshi]

I think that he already did when he cut his cheek.

anyways I would say that he well have the same result as Gai becoase Kisame is really tough.

[Saosin]

Kisame .

[MISTNINJA]

Are you saying Kisame with a 30% decrease or Kisame at 30% meaning a 70% decrease. If Kisame is at 70% he beats Asuma. Gai himself had to open the gates to defeat him. Kisame at 30% of his power loses to Asuma. Asuma and his chakra blades are enough to handle him at 30%. Even though Kisame can shave his chakra.

[hyuuga_neji14732]

Asuma wins

[durtycheese]

seems like 30 percent kisame would win, asuma never really showed anything impressive.

[mootz]

asuma probably wins this, cant say anything definte

[staradderdragoon]

i thought kisame at 30% was enough to own asuma.

asuma got owned by hidan who is weaker than kisame

[martryn]

Yeah, most likely Asuma. I think that Asuma stands a decent chance against a full Kisame, though when we see Kisame really go at it I'll make a more substantial judgment.

[Gooba]

Asuma takes this, he did decently against a full Kisame, going 1 for 1 with wounds.
asuma got owned by hidan who is weaker than kisameHardly. I don't think there is any Akatsuki more difficult to fight against than Hidan, going into it ignorant. If Kisame didn't know Hidan's secret he would get his ass handed to him. 1 cut and he is a goner.

[PradaBrada]

Kisame pwns him

[Panic Attack]

30% Kisame came close to wuping Gai...he'd bitchslap Asuma.

[PradaBrada]

30% Kisame came close to wuping Gai...he'd bitchslap Asuma.

I agree with you for the first time ever :nuts

[Panic Attack]

Well shit...never thought i'd see the day i agree with a GB practitioner.

[Kisame]

this thread is hilarious.

Asuma has a total of one jutsu. And uses those hien blades pfft kisame would win right after tsunami no jutsu.

The only reason Asuma even survived the battle with kisame was due to kakashi's interference.

[PradaBrada]

Well shit...never thought i'd see the day i agree with a GB practitioner.

For the people saying Asuma would win, you seem to forget Gai needed Gates (ITS SICK) to beat Kisame.
Gai without Gates>>>>>>>>>>>>Asuma, so do the math urself.

Asuma would've been dead if Kakashi didn't save him.

and about Kisame 30%
we know that Kisame can suck chakra with his sword and he has chakra as a biju...so with just 30% of chakra he showed:

-His punchs like tsunade or even bigger than that
-He flooded a desert with water
-He invoked 5 sharks
-He made 3 Mizu-bunshins
-He made 3 water prisions
-He fought with Gai team ALONE and won ( its sick )

what would u do against a tsunami with 200meters arriving to destroy your village...kage bunshins, chidoris, rasegans...No, u gonna do nothing, u gonna DIE!!!

if u survive, you will have to resist a: "taijuu kamikaze mizu-bunshins no jutsu" of 500 suicidal-kisames

without count that u need to scape of the giants justus and the punchs "tsunade level", all this with your chakra been suck all the time

its just sick...for sure he is the most powerfull of akatsuki and the most powerfull character of all

i fear the day of Rock and Gai X Kisame 100%...for sure the best fight ever

because dont belive that gai can handle kisame alone

[CrazyMoronX]

Kisame is the physically strongest Akatsuki member.

Asuma wasn't that impressive to me. He did manage to cut off Hidan's head, but Kisame isn't just gonna stand around for something like that. He kept up with Gai's speed. Gai. The fastest ninja in the universe.

Kisame 30% kills Asuma with the sharks since Asuma cannot open the 6th gate and vaporize them. He puts up a valliant fight.

[Roland]

Kisame easily takes this. Asuma was able to match Kisame in strength, to an extent. Yet, even at full strength Asuma was overpowered by Kisame. Surely, Kisame would out-speed Asuma since Kisame was able to keep up with base Gai. Furthermore, once Kisame starts using his suiton jutsu, Asuma has absoultly no defense for himself, giving the match to Kisame.

[Gentle Fist]

eh I think I'd give it to Asuma, I think he has too much experience to be deafeated by Kisame at 30%

Yes Gai needed gates to beat him, but Gai also used the worst fighting strategy ever against Kisame....run right at him, then kick and punch him

Id like to think Asuma would take a different approach

[Empirejoao]

eh I think I'd give it to Asuma, I think he has too much experience to be deafeated by Kisame at 30%

Yes Gai needed gates to beat him, but Gai also used the worst fighting strategy ever against Kisame....run right at him, then kick and punch him

Id like to think Asuma would take a different approach

such as?


His Hien blades are inferior to Samehada, his physical strength and speed are both less, and he hasn't displayed any sort of trickery whatsoever.


The only elemental ninjutsu he has used, Katon, is directly countered by Kisame's Suiton.


What makes you think he can win?

[Illusions]

Asuma has not displayed the strength/speed//versatility on 30% Kisame's level, so i'll say Kisame takes this.

[PDQ]

Asuma has not displayed the strength/speed//versatility on 30% Kisame's level, so i'll say Kisame takes this.

He's displayed the speed to dodge Kisame at the 100% level...

Strengthwise, he wouldn't win, hence why he'd dodge and retaliate like he did before, except this time, with a footlong blade so Kisame wouldn't have a scratch, instead he'd be decapitated.

[Esponer]

I'm assuming that this is as if Asuma fought shōten Kisame alone in Part II. In this case, Kisame is already familiar with Asuma's hien and so Asuma has one less trick to use against him.

Asuma is fast, probably being one of the Leaf's fastest jōnin, but Kisame is almost certainly extremely fast himself and has no real reason to lag behind Asuma in a clean fight. Asuma has hien, but doesn't have the element of surprise, and Kisame has Samehada with which he can deflect Asuma's throwing knives and potentially shave Asuma and his chakra.

Worse yet, if Kisame uses ninjutsu as well (and he almost certainly will) he'll have too many advantages against which Asuma has no real counter, even if we imagine he has powers we haven't seen. Kisame's bakusui shōha changes the environment in his favour, and as fast as Asuma is he can't expect to keep dodging attacks from multiple directions whilst not leaving openings against someone already better than him.

Kisame might be a bit low on chakra, but I don't think he'll take too long to beat Asuma. Asuma's elemental jutsu is of the wrong type to fight Kisame, Kisame has already seen hien and is probably more experienced and more skilled.

Winner: Kisame

[PDQ]

Asuma is fast, probably being one of the Leaf's fastest jōnin, but Kisame is almost certainly extremely fast himself and has no real reason to lag behind Asuma in a clean fight. Asuma has hien, but doesn't have the element of surprise, and Kisame has Samehada with which he can deflect Asuma's throwing knives and potentially shave Asuma and his chakra.

While he'd lose the element of surprise, he's still fast enough to dodge Kisame's attacks, as we saw when he was at full power. That wasn't really an issue of knowledge as it was of simple speed, in this case, with reduced chakra, he'd likely be even slower. On the other hand, Kisame would be more likely to try harder to dodge Hien, but given the extended range, I'm not sure if that's even possible. He wouldn't know Hien's real range the second time around so even if he dodged further, he'd still have a good chance of getting sliced.

I doubt he'd be able to shave his chakra as he hadn't shown the ability against anyone else in the middle of a real fight, Asuma or Gai. His Samehada was even in direct contact with Hien and Asuma was still able to use it while when Naruto had his chakra eaten, he wasn't able to use it anymore.

Worse yet, if Kisame uses ninjutsu as well (and he almost certainly will) he'll have too many advantages against which Asuma has no real counter, even if we imagine he has powers we haven't seen. Kisame's bakusui shōha changes the environment in his favour, and as fast as Asuma is he can't expect to keep dodging attacks from multiple directions whilst not leaving openings against someone already better than him.

I don't know what skills we can assume he has at that level that he didn't show. Even if he later on shows other jutsu, it doesn't mean he would be able to use them at 30%.

Flooding the stage shifted the area to his favor, but Asuma can still walk on water and while Kisame can swim, he hasn't shown the ability to actually fight from underwater. The only other ninjutsu are the water prison(which I doubt he'd be caught in) and the 5 sharks, which would require he be knocked underwater, which he should be fast enough to avoid rather than try to directly take on Kisame in a test of strength as he already knows Kisame's strength.
Kisame's superhuman strength didn't just play a role in his fights, it was also the surprise factor that he had that strength that allowed Gai and Asuma to try to block his attacks rather than dodge them completely.

[Roka]

While he'd lose the element of surprise, he's still fast enough to dodge Kisame's attacks, as we saw when he was at full power. That wasn't really an issue of knowledge as it was of simple speed, in this case, with reduced chakra, he'd likely be even slower. On the other hand, Kisame would be more likely to try harder to dodge Hien, but given the extended range, I'm not sure if that's even possible. He wouldn't know Hien's real range the second time around so even if he dodged further, he'd still have a good chance of getting sliced.

While Kisame doesn't seem to be the brightest crayon in the box I think it's safe to say that he would avoid fighting Asuma at such a close range again.


I don't know what skills we can assume he has at that level that he didn't show. Even if he later on shows other jutsu, it doesn't mean he would be able to use them at 30%.

True although the jutsu that he has already shown completely outclass what Asuma has shown. Asuma has only shown one real jutsu and that was a Katon which Kisame can counter easily.

Flooding the stage shifted the area to his favor, but Asuma can still walk on water and while Kisame can swim, he hasn't shown the ability to actually fight from underwater. The only other ninjutsu are the water prison(which I doubt he'd be caught in) and the 5 sharks, which would require he be knocked underwater, which he should be fast enough to avoid rather than try to directly take on Kisame in a test of strength as he already knows Kisame's strength.
Kisame's superhuman strength didn't just play a role in his fights, it was also the surprise factor that he had that strength that allowed Gai and Asuma to try to block his attacks rather than dodge them completely.

I tend to think that Gai is slightly faster and better at taijutsu than Asuma and even he got overwhelmed by Kisame.

In this fight I doubt Kisame strength will even be a factor as he'll probably be smart enough to go for Jutsu dominance instead of risking taking on Asuma's Hein.

[Esponer]

While he'd lose the element of surprise, he's still fast enough to dodge Kisame's attacks, as we saw when he was at full power. That wasn't really an issue of knowledge as it was of simple speed, in this case, with reduced chakra, he'd likely be even slower. On the other hand, Kisame would be more likely to try harder to dodge Hien, but given the extended range, I'm not sure if that's even possible. He wouldn't know Hien's real range the second time around so even if he dodged further, he'd still have a good chance of getting sliced.

Asuma was not butchered by Kisame immediately, but that does not mean that he's able to dodge all of Kisame's attacks in a real fight. Besides which, he was hit by Kisame's first attack and then dodged Kisame's second because Kisame paused to remind Asuma to pay attention.

I'm not sure why you think Kisame is less quick when he has a lower chakra potential for the fight. He just used up his chakra more quickly. One's speed is not related to the maximum amount of chakra they have available to bring to bear in a fight; one uses chakra to facilitate speed (see Sasuke's training with Kakashi and Sakura's fight with Ino). We don't have any reason to believe that shoten Kisame automatically chooses to use 70% less chakra, proportionately, on his taijutsu. More likely he just runs out of steam quicker.

Also, it's worth mentioning that base Gai was losing out to shōten Kisame and speed was a significant factor in that. Gai also had three allies with him. Base Gai is faster than Asuma, so it's hard to imagine that Asuma is going to have anything close to a speed advantage.

I find it a little strange that you think it all that plausible that Asuma could finish Kisame off with hien. Kisame has seen the attack and while he might not know the range, that's going to be enough for him to not be finished by it. He'll also know, as he knew the moment he was cut by hien before, that water techniques will be more useful.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/141/17/

A game which Asuma would've lost had Kakashi not appeared. Finally, while this is shōten Kisame instead of real Kisame, this is also a Kisame not trying not to be 'excessive'. Water techniques, massive ones, will be his game.

I doubt he'd be able to shave his chakra as he hadn't shown the ability against anyone else in the middle of a real fight, Asuma or Gai. His Samehada was even in direct contact with Hien and Asuma was still able to use it while when Naruto had his chakra eaten, he wasn't able to use it anymore.
You doubt that it is possible for Samehada to drain a target of chakra in a fight? I wonder why Kisame carries it around, then, if it does not have that ability. It's a strange system of beliefs where Kisame has no chance of cutting Asuma with Samehada (even after doing so on his first try) and Samehada has no chance of shaving chakra in a 'real fight'.

I don't know what skills we can assume he has at that level that he didn't show. Even if he later on shows other jutsu, it doesn't mean he would be able to use them at 30%.
You quoted words in which I said nothing about assuming abilities for Kisame, so I'm a little confused. I did however speak of assuming abilities for Asuma: he probably has some more impressive techniques with throwing knives and some other fire techniques, but fire techniques won't stand up to Kisame's water techniques and I doubt he has anything that can overwhelm Kisame.

If you want to know what jutsu I'd tentatively assume Kisame has that we haven't seen, and that he can use as a shōten, I'd have to say I suspect he can use water to protect himself (suijinheki) and has a variety of ranged water attacks which Asuma can't really deal with. I'd be surprised if he doesn't know suigadan or something similar.

Flooding the stage shifted the area to his favor, but Asuma can still walk on water and while Kisame can swim, he hasn't shown the ability to actually fight from underwater. The only other ninjutsu are the water prison(which I doubt he'd be caught in) and the 5 sharks, which would require he be knocked underwater, which he should be fast enough to avoid rather than try to directly take on Kisame in a test of strength as he already knows Kisame's strength.
Gai was not able to keep above water against Kisame, and I don't know why you'd think Kisame could not mount attacks from underwater considering Naruto as an academy student could, and Kisame is one of the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist. You're also forgetting that he has suikōdan (remember, the jutsu that Kakashi had to save Asuma from last time).

[Han Solo]

suikōdan (remember, the jutsu that Kakashi had to save Asuma from last time).

You can't say he had to be saved from it. That's a fallacy. We never saw what would have happened if Kakashi had not come, so to say he would have died is kind of jumping the gun.

[Roka]

You can't say he had to be saved from it. That's a fallacy. We never saw what would have happened if Kakashi had not come, so to say he would have died is kind of jumping the gun.

We can at least say he was saved from having to deal with it.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/141/18/

Kakashi says he arrived a bit ago, it sort of implies he only countered the jutsu to protect Asuma. He must have felt Asuma would have at gotten hurt or at least have a hard time dealing with it.

[Han Solo]

We can at least say he was saved from having to deal with it.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/141/18/

Kakashi says he arrived a bit ago, it sort of implies he only countered the jutsu to protect Asuma. He must have felt Asuma would have at gotten hurt or at least have a hard time dealing with it.

Fair enough. I have no doubt Asuma would have had trouble with that Jutsu, but I still doubt he needed to be saved from it.

[Roka]

I don't think he needed to be saved either but from what we've seen from him he has no way to counter the move if it happens again. He'll be forced to keep dodging the massive Suitons that Kisame can throw at him until Asuma finally gets too tired to keep it up.

[Esponer]

You can't say he had to be saved from it. That's a fallacy. We never saw what would have happened if Kakashi had not come, so to say he would have died is kind of jumping the gun.
Then I'm happy that I never said he would have died. Also, to be a little pedantic, what I said was not a fallacy; it is questionable inference. Such a statement can and should be challenged, but it does not render the argument itself invalid.

Asuma has showed nothing that could counter suikōdan and his elemental preferences suggest that this would stay true even if we saw all of his moves. He also did not dodge the attack, although we could argue that he just didn't bother because Kakashi showed up. But then again, Kakashi had been there for a while and picked that moment to have a kage bunshin appear and protect Asuma.

...Why bother if Asuma was going to be fine anyway? Kakashi knows Asuma quite well, and they were working in the capacity of a team. In that instant, Kakashi decided that him using his chakra to create a kage bunshin and copy-counter suikōdan was a better use of the team's resources than leaving Asuma to it. Now, what does that say? Asuma doesn't have a counter, and dodging doesn't take up much effort, so the only reason why a significant expenditure of chakra would be a preferable outcome is that Asuma would be injured by the attack.

[Han Solo]

Then I'm happy that I never said he would have died. Also, to be a little pedantic, what I said was not a fallacy; it is questionable inference. Such a statement can and should be challenged, but it does not render the argument itself invalid.

Fair enough. I'll concede that.

Asuma has showed nothing that could counter suikōdan and his elemental preferences suggest that this would stay true even if we saw all of his moves. He also did not dodge the attack, although we could argue that he just didn't bother because Kakashi showed up. But then again, Kakashi had been there for a while and picked that moment to have a kage bunshin appear and protect Asuma.

I understand that from what we saw of Asuma's arsenal, has no notable counter to stop such a Jutsu. Well except one: Dodging. You make a point of noting that Asuma did not move because he knew Kakashi had countered, or was going to counter, Kisame's Jutsu. And it's a point that I stand by. The Justu is troubling, no doubt, but I still think you exagerate how dangerous it is.

...Why bother if Asuma was going to be fine anyway? Kakashi knows Asuma quite well, and they were working in the capacity of a team. In that instant, Kakashi decided that him using his chakra to create a kage bunshin and copy-counter suikōdan was a better use of the team's resources than leaving Asuma to it. Now, what does that say? Asuma doesn't have a counter, and dodging doesn't take up much effort, so the only reason why a significant expenditure of chakra would be a preferable outcome is that Asuma would be injured by the attack.

Here's how I see it: Kakashi stopped that Jutsu, not because of the Jutsu in itself, but rather the potential follow up. Assuming Asuma actually had a Jutsu, porbably a Fuuton if there was one, of countering Kisame's, it leaves him open to attack while forming handseals, and he would probably we injured by Kisame's second attack, whether it be another Suiton or direct Taijutsu/Kenjutsu. On the other hand, if he dodged - which I think he is entirely capable of doing - Asuma would have to put his focus on the Jutsu, rather than Kisame himself. Which would leave Kisame the rather easy ability of attacking Asuma in his blindspot.

I suppose this is one of the reasons Dojutsu are so damn useful, considering all three leave a way of negating any advantadge Kisame would have of a potential follow up.

[Esponer]

It's not a completely hopeless interpretation, to be fair. Actually, it does make quite a bit of sense. Still, it seems likely to me that Kakashi thought himself better equipped to deal with suikōdan than Asuma, perhaps because it was too quick and Asuma had not yet recovered from his attack. When I think that suikōdan is the tip of the iceberg for Kisame's offensive water techniques, even in shōten form, I don't find myself believing that Asuma can last long about a Kisame not under orders to keep his fighting style 'quiet'.

I don't think Asuma would fall prey to one single suikōdan, I just don't think he can win a fight against someone who can use that, and other techniques like it, for quite a while before he runs out of chakra. Asuma doesn't have a good enough way of protecting himself to not be completely embarrassed in that fight.

[PDQ]

While Kisame doesn't seem to be the brightest crayon in the box I think it's safe to say that he would avoid fighting Asuma at such a close range again.

True although the jutsu that he has already shown completely outclass what Asuma has shown. Asuma has only shown one real jutsu and that was a Katon which Kisame can counter easily.

Kisame's only abilities out of close range are one to change the terrain(which did no damage) and a shark jutsu which requires him to get his opponent under water, which he wouldn't be able to do without another jutsu which he hasn't shown or close range combat. So one way or another it'd rely on close range.

Asuma was not butchered by Kisame immediately, but that does not mean that he's able to dodge all of Kisame's attacks in a real fight. Besides which, he was hit by Kisame's first attack and then dodged Kisame's second because Kisame paused to remind Asuma to pay attention.

If he can dodge multiple attacks from Kisame at 100%, at 30%, where they say their jutsu and strength is limited, would be even easier to dodge.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/260/17/

The reason why he was hit by Kisame's first attack is because he was blocking it, which he did for two reasons
1. He had no idea about Kisame's strength
2. Kisame was attacking Kurenai who he would of course protect since she had no weapon and was going to do her genjutsu
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/141/08/

The "second" actually consisted of multiple attacks being dodged and happened a few panels after Kisame reminded Asuma to pay attention.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/141/16/

I'm not sure why you think Kisame is less quick when he has a lower chakra potential for the fight. He just used up his chakra more quickly. One's speed is not related to the maximum amount of chakra they have available to bring to bear in a fight; one uses chakra to facilitate speed (see Sasuke's training with Kakashi and Sakura's fight with Ino). We don't have any reason to believe that shoten Kisame automatically chooses to use 70% less chakra, proportionately, on his taijutsu. More likely he just runs out of steam quicker.

They actually said that "in proportion our strength and jutsu we can use are limited". If they have less strength, then they'd have less speed(since speed requires you use more force in your arms and legs).

Also, it's worth mentioning that base Gai was losing out to shōten Kisame and speed was a significant factor in that. Gai also had three allies with him. Base Gai is faster than Asuma, so it's hard to imagine that Asuma is going to have anything close to a speed advantage.

Gai was losing to Kisame mainly because of strength, not speed. There wasn't any event where he was hit because he couldn't move fast enough.
Also, speed advantage is different from an dodging advantage. Gai hasn't been shown dodging anything whereas Asuma has against Hidan(only being scratched once directly and only before he knew about the curse) and Kisame(only scratched once because of trying to block as I mentioned). Speed is an attribute that doesn't necessarily mean a skill in dodging(for the same reason that just because medical nin put evasion at top priority but aren't necessarily the fastest shinobi in the manga)

I find it a little strange that you think it all that plausible that Asuma could finish Kisame off with hien. Kisame has seen the attack and while he might not know the range, that's going to be enough for him to not be finished by it. He'll also know, as he knew the moment he was cut by hien before, that water techniques will be more useful.

We have no other water techniques by which we can judge since they admitted the jutsu they could use were limited.

Having seen the attack doesn't mean he'll be able to dodge it every time if he barely dodged it last time and he is likely slower now while the Hien is actually longer.

You doubt that it is possible for Samehada to drain a target of chakra in a fight? I wonder why Kisame carries it around, then, if it does not have that ability. It's a strange system of beliefs where Kisame has no chance of cutting Asuma with Samehada (even after doing so on his first try) and Samehada has no chance of shaving chakra in a 'real fight'.

Let me rephrase that, he can't shave chakra that's inside a person or being spatially or elementally manipulated. Which makes it perfect for fighting Jinchuuriki like Naruto who leak chakra like crazy. On the other hand, noone he's fought has ever felt drained after being hit nor was Asuma's Hien weakened.

And besides that, even if it doesn't work on everyone, it's still a useful and legendary sword and can't be used against him so there's no reason for him to throw it away. Zabuza carries his sword around even though it has even fewer abilities...

Gai was not able to keep above water against Kisame
Gai was only knocked under water when he tried to block the Samehada, which is when he realized that Kisame had superhuman strength. Something that wouldn't happen against someone who knows that strength.

[Itachi's Apprentice 3]

Kisame is far too skilled to lose to the likes of Asuma. Even Gai barely defeated 30% Kisame and had to go to 6th Gate to win.

[HumanWine]

3000 water clones FTW

[Zarigani]

Asuma curbstomps.

[mmzrmx]

Probably Kisame, he honestly didn't seem like he was really trying vs Asuma till he got a cut on his cheek. That cut also wasn't because he was out done in speed or close combat, it's because Asuma was pretty smart and only put enough chakra into his blade to extend it a bit but keep it invisible.

The things he did vs Asuma weren't anywhere near the level of what he did vs Gai. He was told to basically take it easy by Itachi due to the nature of his jutsu's being flashy(I'd think a big fucking lake in the middle of the village would be suspicious). That jutsu alone makes a huge difference, because we saw how easily he can move under water which makes for good defense and offense.

[Paper]

Kisame beats him in range, power, elemental advantage, and speed.

Asuma is the only Jonin teacher from Konoha who cannot solo 30% Kisame. Kakashi, Gai, and Kurenai, can, however.

[Nae'blis]

No way, Asuma was all hype and nothing more. Kisame on the other hand floods continents with a single breath. Asuma relies on close combat, and he is nothing near as strong and fast as Kisame.

[Hemingway]

Samehada alone pawns Asuma.

[Pengu-Yasha]

I think Kisame would kill Asuma after a quick, but hard fight... :nod

[RasenShuriken88]

i say asuma wins because hes actually really strong

[Roland]

i say asuma wins because hes actually really strong

Wow...That is some good logic. :zaru

Unless Asuma has some way to overpower Kisame such as a Hachimon, I don't see him winning or even getting close to winning against Kisame.

[Gspot]

hahaha rasenshuriken88... no offense but that's one of the funnier things I've heard in a while

30% Kisame would manhandle Asuma with relative ease. From what we saw before his death, Asuma was a decent ninja who had basic ninjutsu and decent battle smarts/thinking ability. I would describe his greatest strength as decentl taijutsu + chakra blades.

Kisame, although we haven't seen his full strength yet, has:

1) Shown more powerful and useful ninjutsu (suikodan, goshoku zame, suirou) as well as Bakusui Shoha which makes it his water-terrain (advantage).

2) I think it's safe to say he has better battle smarts/thinkin ability than Asuma, or at least equal. I can't really prove this, but I feel like it's basically a fact. As a strong Akatsuki, Kisame also almost definitely has better battle experience than Asuma.

3) Finally, Kisame dominates Asuma in Asuma's own greatest strength - taijutsu (+ chakra blades). We saw 100% Kisame's arm strength > Asuma's body strength (as Asuma said himself), and we saw 30% Kisame overpower Gai in taijutsu using his strength and a (possibly fake) Samehada. And I'm faairly certain Gai is superior to Asuma in taijutsu as well as movement speed. 30% Kisame would certainly overwhelm Asuma in taijutsu.

Asuma was able to scratch Kisame's cheek simply because he didn't know about the chakra blade. It still didn't accomplish much (the damage Kisame received may as well have been a mosquito bite), and that was the full extent of the chakra blades' specialty. Honestly, I don't know why they made Sandaime Sarutobi's son such a weaker-caliber ninja. 30% Kisame would dominate him.

[Suzuku]

i say asuma wins because hes actually really strong
This is what 30% Kisame dishes out. (http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XgDsG9Uccm0fQNtmifgGxebZANOMkU5KxVP2meO3GGyTzoXTY dxZyMCOZD3ufDWqYe46Gb7En8R6PbFE7kzNILRaNYWEePCNQNR AqeFQXjM4SxIHJozELJgneU0OEEFpN5L!7G7yT6M/P?dc=4675617345183256812)

This is what it takes to beat 30% Kisame. (http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XgDNDt0cwW8fQNtmifgGxebZANOMkU5KH9pFYm0RewCdOiJu1 iMat1FRkLmQmeCpbuvtRNfJJLa6bweB3RW26P6Evv5gUFRW9HB djmQeVUXvc8z1KRdi4Qer351rkVQLLbNBGkkgPsk/P?dc=4675617350417729115)

This is what Asuma has. (http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XwDNDzodr5IfQNtmifgGxVnGSwQElpU0FRmYZ!WASxn46kTqq urq3uKWdRP9Q3AwXmy361OBK0CUtKaoGyixzy*JjswS8anIfGg zFJCCF8LsNaS2naGmzRpVpFFoIp6RP*lwYwg43D0/P?dc=4675617180238685350)

:edu

[Axl Low]

Asuma wins.
I love Kisame but :/
Asuma gets this one.

[hidan_akatsuki]

of course Kisame wins

[hidan_akatsuki]

kisame never fight with all of his power because Itachi prohibited him to use all his power...

[hidan_akatsuki]

kisame never fight with more than 30% of his chakra

[hidan_akatsuki]

Kisame is the guy with more chakra in akatsuki lol
of course he wins

[PDQ]

This is what 30% Kisame dishes out. (http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XgDsG9Uccm0fQNtmifgGxebZANOMkU5KxVP2meO3GGyTzoXTY dxZyMCOZD3ufDWqYe46Gb7En8R6PbFE7kzNILRaNYWEePCNQNR AqeFQXjM4SxIHJozELJgneU0OEEFpN5L!7G7yT6M/P?dc=4675617345183256812)

This is what it takes to beat 30% Kisame. (http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XgDNDt0cwW8fQNtmifgGxebZANOMkU5KH9pFYm0RewCdOiJu1 iMat1FRkLmQmeCpbuvtRNfJJLa6bweB3RW26P6Evv5gUFRW9HB djmQeVUXvc8z1KRdi4Qer351rkVQLLbNBGkkgPsk/P?dc=4675617350417729115)

This is what Asuma has. (http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XwDNDzodr5IfQNtmifgGxVnGSwQElpU0FRmYZ!WASxn46kTqq urq3uKWdRP9Q3AwXmy361OBK0CUtKaoGyixzy*JjswS8anIfGg zFJCCF8LsNaS2naGmzRpVpFFoIp6RP*lwYwg43D0/P?dc=4675617180238685350)

:edu
I'm pretty sure 30% Kisame wouldn't survive decapitation, so I guess he'd lose pretty badly then?

[Euraj]

You'd think one of Konoha's best Jōnin would be able to do this, but I don't see how he would. His fighting style is close-range, so Kisame's Water techniques would be very large problem for him. Moreover, we saw while even at close-range, Kisame was able to out-maneuver him and he had to be protected by Kakashi.

Looks like Jabberjaws wins.

[PDQ]

You'd think one of Konoha's best Jōnin would be able to do this, but I don't see how he would. His fighting style is close-range, so Kisame's Water techniques would be very large problem for him. Moreover, we saw while even at close-range, Kisame was able to out-maneuver him and he had to be protected by Kakashi.

Looks like Jabberjaws wins.

The thing is that his shown water techniques available aren't very dangerous. His first one was easily jumped on by everyone on his team. His water prison he couldn't get on Gai. His sharks wouldn't work if he couldn't get him underwater, which would not be possible since Asuma knows his strength and would dodge instead of blocking like Gai did.

His sword was also taken away from him a couple of times.

From what we've seen of both of them, Asuma would win. We can't speculate on any more of Kisame's abilities at 30% than we can of Asuma because both are dead. We can no more say that he can use his Shark missile in that form than we can say Asuma has a wind jutsu that could counter it. Each of them has 3 known ninjutsu in this fight because we're not going to see any more from them now that they're dead.

[-Deidara-]

Kisame Wins Off of Looks Alone, He dosen't even have to raise his Sword.

[LiveFire]

Hmm Element wise Kisame seems to be at a disadvantage. However Kisame did beat the guy with the elemental fusions so it might not be a problem for him. Asume might win with great difficulty.

[Ryuk]

30% Kisame>Gates Gai
Base Gai>Asuma
30% Kisame>>>>Asuma
Samehada>Chakra blades

[Xyloxi]

Kisame curbstomps Asuma.

[Truepotential]

30% Kisame>Gates Gai
Base Gai>Asuma
30% Kisame>>>>Asuma
Samehada>Chakra blades

lol wut?

30% Kisame > Hachimon Gai? Last time in the manga, I checked that Hachimon Gai thrashed Kisame with Morning Peacock.

[Gspot]

i think a better way to say what Ryuk roughly meant through the transitive property is:

30% Kisame >= Gai (Kisame was overpowering Gai until Asa Kujaku destroyed him)
Gai >>> Asuma

Therefore 30% Kisame is clearly superior to Asuma, not only by a little.

[DmonkeyD]

shiiiiiit,asuma with much difficulty.

[•Sharingan Squid•]

I believe Asuma has a shot against 100% Kisame.

When he cut Kisame's cheek, his chakra blade could have been much bigger. Remember its size in part 2?

[Prowler]

Asuma gets owned.

[Gspot]

Sharingansquid thanks for the info. You're right - Asuma's chakra blades can get bigger (when he decapitated Hidan, right?). But I still believe that 30% Kisame would dominate Asuma...

[Michael Myers]

Can Asuma pull off a victory against a 30% chakra'd Kisame? He has to get back at him for ripping open his arm like that.

Nope, no he can't. It's like saying can Asuma beat Gai? Nope, no he can't.