1 million Naruto kagebunshins vs Prime Sarutobi

[Kai]

Post skip Narutos, they all charge against Prime Sarutobi.

Can Sarutobi kill them all before he burns out his chakra?

Mull it over, One million is a gigantic number.

[Kyon]

One MILLION?

Sarutobi's gonna get raped.

[Tayuya]

Kagebunshins win.

[Mangekyo Bankai]

I'd say Sandaime's chances are about 1,000,000 to 1 =D

[Kyon]

I'd say Sandaime's chances are about 1,000,000 to 1 =D

Aren't you the clever one. XD

[Spell]

Unless Sarutobi has got some kind of massive destruction jutsu, bunshiuns win this. 1 million is just too much.

[Kagutsuchi]

I'd say Sarutobi wins.

Get Enma out and extend it super long and just swing it around like a retard.

[Dave]

if just one easy punch is all it takes to destroy bunshins
sarutobi wins

[Esponer]

Sarutobi won't die without Naruto dying also, as at the very least he can use Shiki Fuujin on any one kage bunshin to win the battle (at the cost of his own life). I don't want to believe that any shinobi could defeat one million others, so this is the only outcome I can imagine.

[General Mustang]

One MILLION?

Sarutobi's gonna get raped.

Pretty much >.>

[Violent By Design]

That means Naruto's Charka is split into a million people.

Wouldn't be that hard, I mean hell you could probably just poke the Bunshin and it'd die. So I'd say Sarutobi just excretes his charka and kills them all.

[Splintered]

Don't Kagebunshin spread their chakra to other bunshins? So the more you make, the less powerful they become.

Assuming Naruto still has his own limitations, those bunshins can't be worth much...

[zackzeal]

mmm, it depends.... post naruto meaning with the FRS?

[Woofie]

With 1 million Kage Bunshin, each individual would be pathetically weak. Saru could kill them without using any chakra at all, just poking them or something.

The main question is whether he could kill them all within the time limit a human can stay awake (without going crazy). I'm not sure what it is exactly, but let's say it's 90 hours for a ninja.

Let's say Sarutobi can defeat one bunshin per second on average, that would mean it took 277 hours apparently - I'm fairly sure Saru can't stay awake that long. However, he could summon Enma close to the end of his time awake, and have Enma fight for him while he took a nap... there's a risk involved, but Enma should be able to fend them off for a while I guess. Or hell, Saru could probably just create a safe environment that the clones couldn't penetrate - something like the Enma pole cage thing, or a super-strong Doton. In any case, it's possible that he could get some sleep in the middle of the battle somehow, in which case he'd probably win.

So I'm going to say Sandaime can do it... but I don't have a clue really. xD

[TreeofSephri]

Sarutobi summons Enma and creates a few kagebunshins and then proceeds destroy all the bunshins.

[Mr. Toon]

Lol curbstomp. BY SARUTOBI >D

[LivingHitokiri]

Sarutobi wins this

[Splintered]

mmm, it depends.... post naruto meaning with the FRS?

How would Naruto be able to perform the FRS? Chakra depletion cripples, it put Kakashi in the hospital for a week. If Naruto produced a million, they'd probably pop out of existance by Sarutobi blowing on them. I'd be surprised if they had the energy to stand much less a jutsu that not only is strenuous, but gives the real Naruto multiple fractures in the hand.

[King]

Don't Kagebunshin spread their chakra to other bunshins? So the more you make, the less powerful they become.

Assuming Naruto still has his own limitations, those bunshins can't be worth much...

Exactly what I was going to say. Sarutobi wins this one.

[Kiba Inuzuka]

A few of his massively huge Katons and they are all dead.

[Gooba]

He could make 4 or 5 Kage Bunshin, pull out Enma, and then start throwing around giant Katons/Dotons/whatever type has the biggest area. After running around doing those while Enma is going around busting heads like no tomorrow I bet eventually Sandaime would win. Estimating 1 per second seems really small, look at any other time Naruto has pulled out hundreds of clones, they get ripped through in seconds and that isn't even by a Hokage.

[durtycheese]

lol 1 million is jsut too much.

[hyuuga_neji14732]

Sarutobi would win a couple hundred of his own shadow clones and katons the other clones are finishesd

[Pein]

sarutobi rapes kage bunshin

[PisOgPapir]

With 1 million Kage Bunshin, each individual would be pathetically weak. Saru could kill them without using any chakra at all, just poking them or something.

The main question is whether he could kill them all within the time limit a human can stay awake (without going crazy). I'm not sure what it is exactly, but let's say it's 90 hours for a ninja.

Let's say Sarutobi can defeat one bunshin per second on average, that would mean it took 277 hours apparently - I'm fairly sure Saru can't stay awake that long. However, he could summon Enma close to the end of his time awake, and have Enma fight for him while he took a nap... there's a risk involved, but Enma should be able to fend them off for a while I guess. Or hell, Saru could probably just create a safe environment that the clones couldn't penetrate - something like the Enma pole cage thing, or a super-strong Doton. In any case, it's possible that he could get some sleep in the middle of the battle somehow, in which case he'd probably win.

So I'm going to say Sandaime can do it... but I don't have a clue really. xD

And with his stamina divided by a million, how would naruto be able to stay awake for that long? Sarutobi takes it.

[赤イヌ大将]

That means Naruto's Charka is split into a million people.

Wouldn't be that hard, I mean hell you could probably just poke the Bunshin and it'd die. So I'd say Sarutobi just excretes his charka and kills them all.

he said they were 1 million kage bunshins. the OP never said naruto himself split into 1 million. that means the OP coulda just meant naruto makes a kage bunshin with half of his chakra, then 1 million of that kage bunshin is cloned, so all have the same power as half of naruto. and honestly, sarutobi prime would probably lose to a REGULAR naruto. especially in the speed department.

[Enclave]

Naruto without any Kage Bunshin wins this. Sexy no jutsu ftw!

People often forget that Sandaime was a pervert.

[Vance]

and honestly, sarutobi prime would probably lose to a REGULAR naruto. especially in the speed department.

You're on crack or something...I mean, look at the retardedness of your post.

[赤イヌ大将]

You're on crack or something...I mean, look at the retardedness of your post.

no... the only retardedness here is the noverhype of prime sarutobi... a person which the only idea we have of his power is his old form, just with a bit better speed, chakra, and stamina, all of which is the same for post skip naruto, who in k1 punched oro in the face and in fact, oro was suprised with that.
who was the strongest kazekage?? the third I belive right? he was so powerful, even stronger than gaara, and still got beat by sasori. show me proof of a prime sarutobi having some powerful AoE attacks. show me even having a sword which people always say " he will slice people apart with". his overhype is extremely undeserved.

[Wrath]

If they were one million Kage Bunshins at the normal level of strength for a Taijuu Kage Bunshin by Naruto, then he would definitely win with that incredible numerical advantage and his own strength. If it's one million at the level they would actually be... then Sarutobi wins, eventually.

The easiest thing to do would probably be to combine Kage Bunshin with Shuriken Kage Bunshin. And then with a Fuuton if he could use the Wind element. Just keep throwing shurikens in every direction and multiplying them.

[M.C.P.O. Mike-105]

Do you guys realize that naruto has near limitless chakra?

[Kira]

Do you guys realize that naruto has near limitless chakra?
For 1 million kage bunshins? No. The bunshins would be so weak that they would get stomped. Sarutobi solos.

[copycat123]

Sarutobi won't die without Naruto dying also, as at the very least he can use Shiki Fuujin on any one kage bunshin to win the battle (at the cost of his own life). I don't want to believe that any shinobi could defeat one million others, so this is the only outcome I can imagine.

Aren't the bunshins separate from the actual creator? I mean, they contain a part of naruto's chakra but not any part of his actual soul (I don't know). And shiki fuujin only works on the soul. Also so far in the manga, kagebushins often dropped like flies but the real naruto was still intact.

Maybe I didn't completely understand your statement :P

[eDyH]

I'm almost certain that Kai's intention was to have 1000000 KBs in regular fighting condition, not 1000000 KBs that are all incapable of fighting/moving/existing. The latter would be entirely pointless.

Prime Sarutobi doesn't know Shiki Fuujin... unless you believe his prime was in his 60s. If that's the case, then one of the KBs slits Sarutobi's throat while he tries to pull Naruto's soul out of one.

Otherwise, Sarutobi loses due to exhaustion.

[pein_537]

I'd say Sandaime's chances are about 1,000,000 to 1 =D

lol lol lol yea kbs wins with a thousand of yonsen rendan

[Distracted]

This depends on a couple of factors. Is it just in a huge open field? Or is it in like a hall way?

If it's in an open field Sarutobi can't win. The Kage Bunshin will just all hurl kunai and shuriken at him and keep doing that then charging in. He has to dodge them he has to put up a barrier he has to do something.

Sure he can kill him, but no one man can kill 1 million people. It's just not possible. He'll eventually wear down. Eventually a stray kunai will hurt him, eventually he'll slow down from that, eventually the movement will make that relatively minor wound constantly tear open and bleed, eventually that blood loss will tire him.

He'll then start to run out of chakra, and start falling down, and then Naruto will slowly swarm him and there will be no sarutobi.

This doesn't mean Sarutobi is weak. I think anyone would die if they faced 1 million kage bunshin. There is just too many.

[Kuroro]

Assuming that the KBs possess a decent amount of chakra, then postskip Naruto wins this. Naruto is much more coordinated with his bushins and has no problem sacrificing a few to force an opening. Heck, Naruto just has to use Harem no Jutsu in order to cause the man to die from loss of blood, but if such a case isn't allowed, then kuchiyose on top of Rasengan on top of all the shurikens and kunais, one million Narutos is simply too much for him to deal with.

Naruto wins.

[Godammit]

Are you kidding me ? One Kage bunshin henged into a girl would kill him.

[Ashiya]

Are you kidding me ? One Kage bunshin henged into a girl would kill him.

LOL indeed!:laugh That happened once in the school academy.

[niyesuH]

bunshins are overrated.. Sarutobi takes this

[Canute87]

1,000,000 kagebunshins would mean the chakra would be spread evenly aong the clones. each and every one of those clones would be weaker than a chunin fodder.I'd give it to sarutobi on this one,but this is way way way way too much.

[Esponer]

I think anyone would die if they faced 1 million kage bunshin. There is just too many.
Perhaps Deidara would be victorious. With the density that Naruto produces kage bunshin, one million kage bunshin would consume an area of about one square kilometre. They may not be that close in this scenario, but assuming they're somewhat close together, #18 can destroy hundreds of thousands of them.

I still believe that if Sarutobi has shiki fūjin, he can defeat the kage bunshin by performing it on only one clone. We know that when he created a kage bunshin, he could have them use shiki fūjin and they too were lost — their souls were connected to his. I know it's not an absolute given from what we know, but I find it pretty likely that if the soul of one kage bunshin was taken it would equate to the Death God stealing Naruto's entire soul. I could be wrong, I suppose. Anyway, in that Sarutobi still dies.

Any other way, Sarutobi cannot do this. And I am going to assume that each kage bunshin has a decent amount of chakra (say enough to do taijutsu, but not ninjutsu), because otherwise one million being made would just plain kill Naruto and the clones wouldn't even materialise.

[niyesuH]

1 million kage bunshins would be out of chakra after 1step

[vagnard]

It depends if the clones have the strength of Naruto's regular taijuu kage bunshin...or the strength of a million pieces of shit.

Sasuke could deal just with regular taijutsu against 1000 full ninjas without receiving a scratch.

I assume Prime Sarutobi is stronger than that.

1 c-rank katon > taijuu kage bunshin. Sarutobi prime can spam dozens of these to take down of the clones while he cover himself inside of Enma's box.

[Doc. Q]

This may as well be sarutobi versus one million kindergarterners.

[Sphyer]

Sarutobi's gona be to tired eventually fighting that many kagebunshins. Naruto takes this :iik.

[Detonator_Fan]

Saru wins.

If Naruto could make a million KB that could do even a little in a fight he would do that and be the strongest fighter ever. The reason he does not do that is that even if he could do that, the KBs would be so weak they would not last a second and Naruto would be raped.

[Oldy]

Gaara in the desert and Deidara would have no difficulty.
In fact any strong ninja who could protect his body when he sleeps could do it. Sasori could kill thousands upon thousands KB a day with his hundreds of puppet, sleep inside his shielded puppet and repeat. People with boss summon could simply run on them, a few combo of Jiraiya's Katon with Gamabunta's oil would do the trick, etc.

If Sarutobi can make an impenetrable cage with his staff in order to sleep he can probably do this as well, it's just a matter of time.

[Xion]

Unless Sarutobi has got some kind of massive destruction jutsu, bunshiuns win this. 1 million is just too much.

Kind of like the Akatsuki vs the Narutoverse thread.

Sheer numbers win, and not all bunshins are fodder either.

[vagnard]

Kind of like the Akatsuki vs the Narutoverse thread.

Sheer numbers win, and not all bunshins are fodder either.

The difference is Narutoverse is formed by thousands of competents ninjas.

Millions of beings weaker than fodder doesn't make a change against a single powerful opponent.

Sasuke took down 1000 of them without even receiving a scratch.

Even Pre-timeskip Sasuke could take down 1000 KBs with a single C-rank katon and Sarutobi has katons way stronger and bigger than that like Ryuuka.

None Naruto's KB could pass through Enma's cell. So Sarutobi can just keep spamming massive elemental jutsus all he wants.

[Bandit]

one million?
Thats quite a bit
Id put my money on the naruto clones

I mean think about it... one million....


The difference is Narutoverse is formed by thousands of competents ninjas.

Millions of beings weaker than fodder doesn't make a change against a single powerful opponent.

Sasuke took down 1000 of them without even receiving a scratch.

Even Pre-timeskip Sasuke could take down 1000 KBs with a single C-rank katon and Sarutobi has katons way stronger and bigger than that like Ryuuka.

None Naruto's KB could pass through Enma's cell. So Sarutobi can just keep spamming massive elemental jutsus all he wants.

1,000,000 is quite a bit more than 1,000...
and sarutobi doesn't have unlimited chakra. He would take down a lot but he'd get tired eventually.

[Athena Citra]

Even with Naruto's chakra, I don't think a millionth of his overall energy is that much. I don't think he'd be able to take more than a flick from Sarutobi's left hand with chakra that small.

Sarutobi takes the cake.

[eDyH]

When did preskip Sasuke kill 1000 KBs with one Katon....?

And why does everybody assume that the KBs will be weak? If Naruto's chakra is actually being divided into 1000000 equal portions, then this fight doesn't happen because he either dies or none of them can move for the whole two seconds that they can maintain their own existence.

The only way this works out is if they are all fit-to-fight KBs, and if that's the case, then Sarutobi gets raped.

[mastercilander]

Naruto has the Kyuubi's chakra. I don't think 1 million would disadvantage him. He might even pull that many out in the final battle for all we know.

[vagnard]

1,000,000 is quite a bit more than 1,000...
and sarutobi doesn't have unlimited chakra. He would take down a lot but he'd get tired eventually.

Kage Bunshins became more and more weaker when you increase the number.

Sasuke took down 1000 full ninjas without receiving a single scratch. Against KB you practically just need to touch them and they go poof.

This is Prime Sarutobi....so I doubt 1.000.000 of fodder could even tire him.

In the worst of the cases he can always be protected by Enma's pole cage. And attack the clones with elemental attacks from the inside.

When did preskip Sasuke kill 1000 KBs with one Katon....?

In the roof fight. Naruto did Taijuu KB and Sasuke destroyed all of them with a single katon. The exact number wasn't given....but didn't look any different from the time Naruto used TKB against Mizuki, Mini Shukaku Gaara and Kimmimaro. I guess it's always assumed that Naruto created 1000 clones when he used the massive TKB.

And why does everybody assume that the KBs will be weak? If Naruto's chakra is actually being divided into 1000000 equal portions, then this fight doesn't happen because he either dies or none of them can move for the whole two seconds that they can maintain their own existence.

In fact....if he use the same amount of chakra to create 1.000.000 of KB than he use to create 1.000 he wouldn't die. Considering Naruto was constantly creating thousand of clones during his elemental training I'd say the lack of chakra of the real Naruto isn't the problem.

In my opinion Naruto doesn't create so many clones because they would be so utterly weak that they aren't even worthy in first place.

So using that logic they wouldn't even worry a guy like Sarutobi.

The only way this works out is if they are all fit-to-fight KBs, and if that's the case, then Sarutobi gets raped.

Even then I wouldn't be so sure. Naruto follows the logic that a massive strong character can deal with any amount of fodder he wants.

Itachi killed his clan. Sasuke killed 1000 ninjas. Kimmimaro defeated Taijuu KB (all of them in Kyuubi Naruto state), Sasori killed a whole country, etc.

KBs work more like distraction. Sarutobi has means to deal with a massive amount of numbers before they can even surround him and he can use Enma to protect from any attack getting inside the pole cage.

Numbers here only mean the amount of time it will take for Sarutobi to wins here.

In fact Real Naruto has a better chance against Sarutobi that 1.000.000 clones for the single fact he has enough chakra to make Odama Rasengan or Fuuton Rasen Shuriken to get ride of Enma.

[Dark Ascendant]

Inverse Ninja Law, anyone?

[Detonator_Fan]

Naruto has the Kyuubi's chakra. I don't think 1 million would disadvantage him. He might even pull that many out in the final battle for all we know.

If 1 million clones clones were capable of doing anything, Naruto would already have done that and would be raping Akatsuki like it was nothing.

[Willy927]

Naruto is not the stupid ass Naruto no more, If he uses the 1 mil bunshins wisely he can almost beat anyone....It took him less than 1 mil bunshin to create Fuuton Rasengan, man with 1 mil who knows that type of crazy jutsu he will make....he learns 1000 times faster than before...Usually it going to 10 years for anyone to... "maybe" create Futon Rasengan, but it took Naruto less than 2 weeks.....only Naruto is capable of doing this....Not even Kakashi's Sharigan can do it (which he even learned how to do MS...) Kakashi learned MS and he can put a element on Rasengan...that shows you how powerful Bunshins are...

[Esponer]

Seriously, listen to White. These are one million kage bunshin each with the power to fight with taijutsu. Naruto cannot create one million kage bunshin himself, so this should be fairly obvious.

A Katon ninjutsu cannot defeat one thousand kage bunshin at once. Well, maybe the two most powerful we've seen: Jiraiya's best and Kakuzu's best. Sasuke's never destroyed that many kage bunshin at once, the numbers he destroyed were far, far less than that.

Sarutobi will exhaust himself destroying them, but until he does he will be destroying dozens every second.

[Rokudaime]

Even if those clone are weaker ,Million of kunai,shuriken and explosion tag still rape Sarutobi.

1,000,000..the number is just too much.

[Shodai]

Sarutobi, even with his godliness, his uber skills, his awesomeness, can NOT defeat ONE MILLION men.

He would take out about 100,000 then slip up due to exhaustion, and die.

[Riot]

Sarutobi takes this. Naruto's bunshins would be worthless.

[mastercilander]

If 1 million clones clones were capable of doing anything, Naruto would already have done that and would be raping Akatsuki like it was nothing.

I'm just saying, he could theoretically pull it off to great success in a grand finale during the final battle. It's just a guess, but since its a manga I don't see why this hypothetical can't be explored somewhat.

[Detonator_Fan]

I'm just saying, he could theoretically pull it off to great success in a grand finale during the final battle. It's just a guess, but since its a manga I don't see why this hypothetical can't be explored somewhat.

If he could do it, he would have already done it lots of time before. It's not like he was never in a fight where he was losing badly and everything (to him) was at stake.

[Jikoo]

If you do the math and assumes that the Third takes out one Naruto-clone per second, he would have to fight for 6 days on end. Of course he could take out more at a time with big jutsu, but he cant possibly fight for so long. The clones are worth shit though, so it would be target practise til the Third fell over dead from chakra-depletion :)

[Esponer]

I'm sure one per second is a massive underestimation, and what really matters here is how long he can keep up massively high area of effect ninjutsu (which we mostly have to guess about), rather than how fast and for how long he can play at taijutsu. If these one million kage bunshin are at least functional (say, each have the power of one made from a thousand), then Sarutobi can't really risk taijutsu forever. Kunai, shuriken and natural 20s will eventually start to accrue. Better to use Katon ninjutsu.

[Purble Place]

sarutobi would win. making one million bunshins means each bunshin will have 1/million of narutos original chakra. There will be many narutos around sarutobi, and because they hardly will have any chakra it'll be very easy to pop a bunshin.
Just with one katon jutsu sarutobi would pop hundreds of bunshins (and i doubt the bunshins will be actively dodging sarutobis attacks because of their lack of chakra).
I'm sure he can do some massive doton jutsus too, one huge doton jutsu would again kill thousands of naruto bunshins.
i think even the jman can take out one million naruto bunshins, a few swamps and poof bunshins going out in thousands.
It will be hard though, i'm sure it'll take a couple of hours, it all depends on the reach of sarutobis 'wide area' attacks (attacks causing destruction or affecting large areas).

[Yamato]

Prime Sarutobi uses Henge to transform into Naruto and Doton/Shunshin/Kawarimi to hide himself.

Kage bunshins kill each other while Sarutobi laughs.

Don't fight like a man, fight like an evil overlord.

[soupnazi235]

This Spartan might very well be dining in hell tonight.
Seriously, though, Naruto doesn't have the chakra capacity (unless he's like full-on Kyuubi) to create 1,000,000 usefull KB's. They would all pop after being touched by a light breeze.

[xkRoWx]

One million Sexy Harem no Jutsu will result in Sandaime inverting his body through his nose.

[Vance]

Prime Sarutobi uses Henge to transform into Naruto and Doton/Shunshin/Kawarimi to hide himself.

Kage bunshins kill each other while Sarutobi laughs.

Don't fight like a man, fight like an evil overlord.

I was just going to say that. :-(

[Distracted]

I don't get it. Everyone is going "Oh they would have 1 millionth of Naruto's chakra'

No where in the OP was it stated that they were made at once by Naruto. Maybe Naruto is making them 1000 at a time with a whole bag of soldier pills by his side.

Who knows, but they are at least functional and so what if they can be poofed away by a punch?

A kunai is a kunai, and they all possess MULTIPLE kunai and shurikens. How long can Sarutobi dodge? How long till he tires? How long till he can't use as much chakra? How long till he can't keep it up?

It's not a matter of whether he's stronger than they are, it's a matter of how long he can keep it up. Eventually numbers over come strength guys.

Let's put this in perspective. Look at this page (http://www.vendian.org/envelope/dir2/lots_of_dots/million_dots.html) and you'll see what 1 million really means. Now imagine Sarutobi as a slightly bigger dot trying to fight all of them. Individually he utterly rapes them... hell 10 on 1 he rapes them. 100 on one he rapes them... 1000 on one he can beat them. 10,000 on one he can possibly win but he won't have much left.

100,000 to one I'd be surprised if he won, he'd be worn out if he did... 1,000,000 to one? Do you realize the escalation in size there?

Think of how long it took kimi to defeat 1000 clones. Now realize that is 1/100 the time it'll take Sarutobi, and he doesn't have a regenerative ability. So if he gets cut, it'll just keep bleeding.

[Kai]

I fail to see what's so interesting in this thread that it keeps getting revived.

I don't know what I was thinking back then, but it'd probably be the clones with 1/1000 chakra tank of the original. Yamato's strategy would be an effective pain in the ass.

[ghstwrld]

Could someone update me on how kage bunshin no jutsu is working these days? Isn't it somewhat of a double edged sword now that we know mental and physical fatgue/ailments can be transferred from a KB to the original user? I remember at one point Naruto and his KBs were effected by the burning sensation caused by the Kyuubi chakra cloak. Then there's the mental fatigue he should, inevitably, succumb to once a significant portion of his KBs are defeated (the Kakuzu match confirmed that he's processing information once any of his KBs are defeated).

If Sarutobi were to defeat 1,000 KBs, wouldn't all of the Naruto's pass out from the information overload?

[Enclave]

There is no physical trauma transferred back, only mental.

Now then, the mental trauma only comes when Naruto is spending a lot of time learning. If he is fighting he isn't gaining much new information so he doesn't get overloaded.

[ShinigamiBilal]

He summons Enma, it's over.