Gaara vs Sasori

[hyuuga_neji14732]

The battle takes place in the deserts of sungakure

[Natzkage]

gaara it thinks because sasori cant touch him with his great defense and he can desroy those puppets easily with some huge attacks and if all else fails then gaara can go shukaku which i dout will be affected by poison

[Hamaru]

Gaara would beat the hell out of Sasori. There isn't much Sasori could do to beat Gaara.

[TWF]

Iron Sand > Gaara's Sand, Sandaime Kazekage would ruin him.

[materpillar]

g-d this thread has already been made, and there is eight pages of every attack on both character you can think of... see here http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=208749

[Hiruko]

g-d this thread has already been made, and there is eight pages of every attack on both character you can think of... see here http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=208749

yea, made by ME! Still, I dont mind reposts. If everyone posted on the same topic, they would be 56 pages long!

[MasamuneX7]

Sasori, don't feel like explaining for the 200th time.

[Sasori]

^ ditto.

[masamune1]

Gaara.

I mean, come on. This is the DESERT! Gaara is God here.

Iron Sand > Gaara's Sand, Sandaime Kazekage would ruin him.

Iron Sand is but a pale imitation of what Shukaku sand can really do.

If Sandaime is better than Gaara, it was'nt because of Iron Sand; it was because of his general ninja abilities, skills and experience (which are'nt really in play, since he is dead. Puppet Sandaime< Actual Sandaime).

[Sharinganmaster29]

gaara it thinks because sasori cant touch him with his great defense and he can desroy those puppets easily with some huge attacks and if all else fails then gaara can go shukaku which i dout will be affected by poison

actually shukaku was extracted...he doesnt hev that cool defense any more...i say sasori pwns him

[TWF]

Gaara.

I mean, come on. This is the DESERT! Gaara is God here.



Iron Sand is but a pale imitation of what Shukaku sand can really do.

If Sandaime is better than Gaara, it was'nt because of Iron Sand; it was because of his general ninja abilities, skills and experience (which are'nt really in play, since he is dead. Puppet Sandaime< Actual Sandaime).

Sandaime Kazekage, stated to be the strongest Kazekage of the Hidden Sand/Sunagakura because his ability with Iron Sand (Kekke Genkai most likely) that intimidates Shukaku's Sand with the one-tail Jinchurriki's, exceeds that of the host's own abilites with the Sand.

Iron Sand Drizzle > Gaara's Sand Drizzle, Sandaime's kills on contact, Gaara's doesn't.

Even with all his techniques and useages of both Shukaku's Sand and the terrain of the Hidden Sand itself, Baki stated that Sandaime is still the strongest.

Iron Sand useage > Gaara's.

[Kokain]

If Sandaime is better than Gaara, it was'nt because of Iron Sand; it was because of his general ninja abilities, skills and experience.

Thus by the same logic, Sasori is greater than Gaara, no?

[masamune1]

Thus by the same logic, Sasori is greater than Gaara, no?

Then by the same logic, Orochimaru is greater than Itachi, no?

No.

[Kokain]

Exactly, experience really counts for nothing because it's impossible to tell how it factors in any given matchup. So your initial assumption that Sandaime>Gaara owing to his experience is baseless, as is the claim that Iron Sand<Shukaku's sand manipulation. We just don't know what that Suna elder was basing his statement on.

[masamune1]

Exactly, experience really counts for nothing because it's impossible to tell how it factors in any given matchup. So your initial assumption that Sandaime>Gaara owing to his experience is baseless, as is the claim that Iron Sand<Shukaku's sand manipulation. We just don't know what that Suna elder was basing his statement on.

I am basing my statement that no ninja worth his salt in Naruto has ever relied solely on one ability. Itachi, for example, is powerful because of his tremendous talent, not his Sharingan (otherwise the other Uchiha would have posed a much bigger problem to him).

Gaara is the sole exception seen thus far, and he makes up for it because of his experience (yes, it does count; Oro was simply overconfident: he is less talented, and may have lost anyway, but his experience would have allowed him to put up a much better fight, if they ever fought again) and the versatility of his Sand, as well as ninja training (it is often forgotten just how good a ninja gaara really is; Sasuke even compared hissneaking skills to Kakashi's). No Kekkai Genkai has ever been shown to match the upper limits of Bijuu powers, either.

Sandaime's Kekkai Genkai is Magnetism, a la Magneto; he controls Sand via tiny metal fillets he mixes in with it. It is, perhaps, more dangerous, but it is also more limited. Sandaime canniot control the amount of sand Gaara can (imagine Gaara was limited to the Sand in his Gourd), nor with the same skill. That it can kill on contact is useless against Gaara anyway (not your post, I know) since Gaara can defend against it.

Experience, talent, style, skill, these all factor into any match, (as does location, and it is the desert) and it is foolish to ignore them. Sasori has more experience than Gaara, though perhaps not quite as much as you may think (Gaara has been fending off ninja attacks since he was six.). They are probably equally talented, and equally skilled. Sasori is Gaara as a puppeteer; Gaara Sasori as a tailed demon's host.
Gaara's style wins out against Sasori's puppets, as there is (almost) nothing he has that can penetrate Gaara's sand, and little that that same sand cannot destroy. The only problem I can see is Iron Sand.
As I have said, Iron Sand is an imitation of Shukaku Sand. While it is stronger, it lacks the versatility of the original, and since Gaara is in the Desert he has a practically unlimited source of power. I cannot see Iron Sand penetrating Gaara's Ultimate Defence, particularly with the Desert in play.
And despite his skill in puppeteering, Sasori will never be able to use the Sandaime Puppet in ways that equal his skills in life.

At the very least, this becomes a stalemate. Gaara may not be able to defeat the Iron Sand, but nor will Iron Sand penetrate Shukaku's Ultimate Defence. Also, since Gaara has experience (yes, that word again) of being beaten by an Akatsuki, he will take Sasori extremely seriously (he took deidara seriously, but he'll take Sasori extremely seriously. There's a difference). Sasori has never fought Gaara, did not really see him in action (I don't think he saw the fight, and was just waiting) and has a bad habit of underestimating his opponents. He is therefore more likely to make a mistake.

THAT is why I think Gaara will win.

[pancake]

Deidara wooped the ass out of Gaara

So I guess Sasori would beat the hell out of him, hell, he even almost killed Kankuro, even though Sasori lost, it's because he made himself to. I think.

[Kokain]

Ah, I see. If you mean "Ultimate Defense" as in the shield that blocked #18, there's no way Sasori could penetrate that. But as for Gaara's automatic defense and sand armor, I can see some formations of the Iron Sand getting through those quite easily. Of course there's the added factor of Gaara's flight and greater versatility, but Sasori's full facility with the Iron Sand is unknown. The odds do appear to favor Gaara though. Good analysis, but I am angry that you do not consider Hidan a ninja worth his salt:mad

[NemesisXL]

Gaara does NOT have experience. All the fights he fought as a child were like that: He just stood on one point while others tried to penetrate his armor of sand. Afterwards he just attacked them with a random sand move and killed them. As you said he has fought ninjas since he was 6, this would be 6-7 years (up to the chuunin exam) of "wasted" experience. The automatic sand was doing all the work for him. Heck Gaara didn't even know what to do when he fought Lee because he has always been relying on his automatic defence.
Sasori on the other hand was like 40 years old and would beat Gaara by far in terms of experience.

[niyesuH]

yeah like Kakuzu beat Naruto with tons of experience.....

[Citan]

iron sand cant get through his automatic shield
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume7.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=8675
and as shown http://www.42explore.com/ironsteel.htm here for anybody that cares to read iron is not as hard as steel

[Saosin]

Sasori > Gaara.

[Natzkage]

Deidara wooped the ass out of Gaara

So I guess Sasori would beat the hell out of him, hell, he even almost killed Kankuro, even though Sasori lost, it's because he made himself to. I think.

1.deidra did not whoop the ass out of gaara he had to sacrifice his arm or arms just to defeat him

2.Gaara is much more powerful than kankuro

3.Kankuro was at a huge disadvantage because sasori made his puppets and he knew everything about the puppets and he waws the same type of fighter(puppeteer) only much better

rep me

[niyesuH]

iron sand cant get through his automatic shield
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume7.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=8675
and as shown http://www.42explore.com/ironsteel.htm here for anybody that cares to read iron is not as hard as steel


correct... his iron needles couldnt even get trough Chiyo whirlwind defence

[MasamuneX7]

yeah like Kakuzu beat Naruto with tons of experience.....

Experience and cheap abilities are all negligible against the invincibility shield of a main character.

[Panic Attack]

Again? Same thread same old story. Sasori wins.

[jutsumaster360]

Gaara obiviosuly becasue he does the expanded version of Desert Funeral because of all that sand. The puppets and sasori will be destroyed.

[AbnormallyNormal]

gaara wins, because the only reason deidera beat him is the setting of their fight, it was in the heart of the village, and gaara is the kage, imagine all that pressure, must've made gaara plenty nervous, plus he had to waste immense time/chakra/attention defending village/villagers. in the deserts vs sasori, gaara owns big-time. no poison will even get through the permanent sand armor, and gaara will just take some of his omega-sand and smash sasori's puppets very fast. plus gaara is doubtlessly capable of taking down the 3rd kazakage puppet, and gaara is smart and would realize that the sasori puppet's heart is vulnerable, then just ram a shit load of omega sand through it

[RupertGriffin]

sand in puppet joints ftw.

[TWF]

Sasori defeated the strongest Kazekage in history, Sandaime Kazekage who possed a magentism ability (much like Shodai's Mokuton) that was essentially a Kekke Genaki. Sandaime Kazekage > Godaime Kazekage.

Sasori defeated this beast in his youth, likely to join or as a requirement to joining Akatsuki. Iron Sand > Shukaku's Sand. Nuff said.

Sandaime Kazekage's Iron Sand Drizzle or New World Order will break his automatic defenses.

[qks]

untill we find out how sasori killed sandamine kazekage we dont know how it happened i did post this in the other thread but i cant be botherd to go into it again ,but in short its stated that sandaime just went missing now dose anybody really think that somebody of his power is just going to get taken with out putting up a fight ,there would be some porrf that a large scale fight took place and if u consider the narutre of sandamines iron sand if he is fighting for his life he would at least defend himself with his most powerfull move . i find it very hard to belive sasori beat sandamie in battle .
Garra takes this one still he is in the desert for gods sake if Gaara can block dederias 18# no matter what sasori dose he simply dose not have the power to break threw that defence. also gaara can hover out of harms way , sasori cant fly and the ground he is standing on is a weapon being used againt him .

ok that was alot more than i was planing on typing but still

[Terryc250]

iron sand can probably penetrate gaaras sand, im goin for sasori,

i wonder wut would happen if sasori turned an uchiha into a puppet, would he beable to use mangekyo sharingan?

[masamune1]

Gaara does NOT have experience. All the fights he fought as a child were like that: He just stood on one point while others tried to penetrate his armor of sand. Afterwards he just attacked them with a random sand move and killed them. As you said he has fought ninjas since he was 6, this would be 6-7 years (up to the chuunin exam) of "wasted" experience. The automatic sand was doing all the work for him. Heck Gaara didn't even know what to do when he fought Lee because he has always been relying on his automatic defence.
Sasori on the other hand was like 40 years old and would beat Gaara by far in terms of experience.

Gaara had developed a variety of techniques with his Sand (Desert Coffin, Prison Sand Burial, Shield of Shukaku, etc.) all on his own (since no-one in their right mind would try and train him), and beforehand was trained personally by his father the Kazekage in basic ninja techniques, some of which he took to high levels (eg. Sasuke comparing his sneaking skills to Kakashi's). He did'nt kill elite Sand assassins without being a skilled ninja.

[liiL_gangzzta]

Gaara:#" Sasori is a Puppet master and Gaara isnt a puppet :UI8