Kazekage Gaara vs Old Sarutobi

[Kai]

Fight takes place in Konoha Outskirts and Gaara's not allowed to use his flight.

No Shiki Fuujin

Fight to the death.

[mootz]

i say old man can win this depending on gaaras strategy. if gaara uses plenty of sand clones then he wins through stamina but if gaara is cocky then old man has plenty of jutsus to get past that sand. plus he has enma to smack gaara around with.

gaara could also win if he goes straight offensive and doesnt give the old man a chance to think and counter attack

[Mangekyo Bankai]

Sarutobi sensei would give Gaara a good fight, he has plenty of Jutsu to keep Gaara on the defensive, especially if he busts some Kage Bunshins out, but if Gaara breaks out some of those massive shukaku arms and all that then things will get hairy.

Sandaime was able to hold his own against Orochimaru, Shodai and Nidaime, in what was pretty much a cage match. I think he's got this on lock down.

[TreeofSephri]

This is not a good fight for old man Sarutobi. Their is nothin he can do to keep from getting caught by the sand. Gaara does not even need to make clones. He can just use his sand and crush the old man. Enma would suffer the same fate if he was summoned.

[successortt]

Gaara is a bad match up for Sandaime. He has'nt shown any jutsu's that can get past the sand shield, or and way of countering Gaaras massive sand attacks.

[TreeofSephri]

Even if he had shiki fujin he would steal lose because he could not get past the shukaku defense.

[durtycheese]

i would say gaara has the advantage on the old man. the young sarutobi... tahts a different story.

[TreeofSephri]

The only person who can be Gaara is Nidaime.

[Gooba]

You guys seem to really underestimate Sandaime. You can't just simply crush him in the sand. He knows all the Jutsus of Konoha, and was able to fight against 3 of the most powerful nins we have seen yet at the same time. If you say Nidame can win, then so can Sandaime since he knows whatever water jutsus you think will make the difference.

A half prepared subordinate member of an Akatsuki duo took down Gaara. Sure, you can say it was because he used ______ strategy, and that is the only one which will work, but that is just silly. It is like me saying the only way to beat Sandaime is to force him to make a deal with the Death God. It might have been the only way to happen in the Manga, but that doesn't make it exclusive. He was also beated pre-skip by a guy with bone swords, and another guy with a headbutt.

[Whisperkill]

Sandaime FTW!!!

[Avish]

The only person who can be Gaara is Nidaime.

a very far back quote lol but what abiout lee im sure he will be alot faster now and also sasuke... Also remember naruto beat him in the forest

[TreeofSephri]

You guys seem to really underestimate Sandaime. You can't just simply crush him in the sand. He knows all the Jutsus of Konoha, and was able to fight against 3 of the most powerful nins we have seen yet at the same time. If you say Nidame can win, then so can Sandaime since he knows whatever water jutsus you think will make the difference.

A half prepared subordinate member of an Akatsuki duo took down Gaara. Sure, you can say it was because he used ______ strategy, and that is the only one which will work, but that is just silly. It is like me saying the only way to beat Sandaime is to force him to make a deal with the Death God. It might have been the only way to happen in the Manga, but that doesn't make it exclusive. He was also beated pre-skip by a guy with bone swords, and another guy with a headbutt.

No where in that statement have you told us how Sandaime would win. You have just told his accomplishments.

[Kai]

No where in that statement have you told us how Sandaime would win. You have just told his accomplishments.

Feats help in a battle.... it's not all about battle scenarios.

I'd give it to Sarutobi since I stated Gaara is on the ground for this fight.

[Grrblt]

You guys seem to really underestimate Sandaime. You can't just simply crush him in the sand. He knows all the Jutsus of Konoha, and was able to fight against 3 of the most powerful nins we have seen yet at the same time. If you say Nidame can win, then so can Sandaime since he knows whatever water jutsus you think will make the difference.
Sandaime doesn't know all jutsu of Konoha, he knows how to counter all jutsu of Konoha. He was never fighting 3 people, he was at most fighting 2 people and he was losing badly. Or you can just see the fight for what it was; Oro vs Sandaime and Oro won.

[Saosin]

Kazekage Gaara, hands down.

[Qrαhms]

No flights!? Awh cmon! o_O

Oh well...before anything else, I would like to point out the medium that Gaara uses; SAND (obviously >_<). Now, this sand .. the most important thing one need to point out is the fact that the sand is a physical entity; it attacks (crush, pierce) and defence (shield, cushion) according to Gaara's free will. And it has good recovery time, is formless; in other words it can be very deadly if manipulated correctly. The only thing it lacks, or should I say it's only weakness is the fact that it is, well, SAND. As, stated above, WATER >>>> SAND. Nuff said.

Analysis .. Sandaime has good taijutsu skills, but is lacking in terms of speed. As proved by Rock Lee and Sasuke, the only way to overcome Gaara's sand is to have speed superior to the sand itself. Obviously Sandaime is nowhere near Rock Lee in terms of speed. Physical attacks are quite useless since the nature of the sand itself, so most likely Gaara will just laugh at Enma.

Suiton jutsus are the way to go here for Sandaime, even if it is quite doubful that it would work against Gaara (Gaara himself stated that he can create sand from the ground and control its density, tho this high-density sand production is quite limited). It is quite possible for him to know at least some Suiton jutsus, maybe Suijinheki or Shoryudan no Jutsu. Doton jutsus can be quite of a use, maybe as a shield or two to fend off Gaara's attacks. Either it is possible for Sandaime to overcome the sand depends pretty much on his chakra, which is possibly not enough to bail him out entirely as the fight continues.

As for Gaara, remember he can create additional sand from the ground, regardless of the terrain. He can try out Suna Shigure/Sabaku Kyuu/Sabaku Sousou combo to score an early win like he did when going against Kimimaro. Suna Shuriken and Claws of Shukaku can be used as mid-long range attacks to keep his opponent busy, especially in this fight since taijutsu is not an option for Sandaime.

In this fight, I think Gaara has the upper hand. He can control mid-long range with ease and top-notch defense to stop close range assaults. Very few have been able to deal with his offense, and even fewer are able to break through his defense. And those people who did had been proven to be the best in their respective field. Sandaime is obviously not one of them.

Quicksand + Sabaku Taisou = auto RIP!

[cloystreng]

i think sandaime would win. although we havent seen most of what he has, he is stated to know every jutsu in konoha. he can also summon. im sure that he has some type of jutsu to get past gaaras sand.

[Chaos Hokage]

Kazekage Gaara would win. 3rd Hokage wouldn't be able to break through Gaara's defense. Not even Deidara's exploding clay bombs could't break through it. Gaara could turn the Konoha Outskirt into a miniature desert like he did when he fought Kimimaro. Then, the 3rd Hokage would get killed by Gaara's Quicksand in the Style of a Waterfall.

[Rokurai]

In every Gaara fight I've seen TreeofSephri and a couple other people say "Sand crush move" and it's getting annoying. Let's not forget Sandaime's Doton Wall. He could make one of those and easily protect against Ryuusa Bakuryuu.

[Mibu Clan]

(First, Nidaime is at a disadvantage in Elemental powers against Gaara, Earth> Water)

In the end Sarutobi can defend against ALL of Gaara's attacks with Enma's Diamond Poll Henge, but does he have anything to beat the ultimate deffence? Then again, lets remember that Gaara has 2 different Sands, the one he always keeps and the one he makes...

The one he keeps is extremely strong and fast, while the other is much weaker and slower as was stated. And ImO Gaara's only way to actually be able to harm old Saru is using his strong Sand, which in turn means making his own deffence Incomplete. Which in turn would make Sarutobi's attacks quite useful against Gaara's weakened deffence... Unless of course Gaara is always on the deffensive and uses his weaker sand... in which case Sarutobi would preserve Chakra and reduce himself to guard against Gaaras weaker sand.

In the end Sarutobi has a good chance of defeating Gaara, especially considering he has both his Diamond Poll deffence as well as his Doton deffence.

[Violent By Design]

I'd have to go with Old Sarutobi. Isn't he fast enough to get around Gaara's defense, or is that just a pre-time skip weakness?

[B o n e s]

Kazekage Gaara would crush the old man for sure.

[TreeofSephri]

In every Gaara fight I've seen TreeofSephri and a couple other people say "Sand crush move" and it's getting annoying. Let's not forget Sandaime's Doton Wall. He could make one of those and easily protect against Ryuusa Bakuryuu.

Doton Doryuu Heki may block avalanche of sand but you are assuming Gaara is just going to stop there. Gaara is going to flood that whole area with sand so their is no safe place to walk. Sooner or later, Sandaime is going to get caught or just surcome to the huge amount of sand being sent him way. You are also underestimating Gaara's ability to manipulate his sand. He can bring it around the doton doryuuheki and attack behind it. Not to mention the fact that he can create more sand. Did you see his fight with Kimimaro and see how much the landscape was altered? A simple rock wall won't protect you for long.

[Gooba]

Sandaime doesn't know all jutsu of Konoha, he knows how to counter all jutsu of Konoha.http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/7296/naruto12015gv9.jpg He was never fighting 3 people, he was at most fighting 2 people and he was losing badly.He was fighting, and holding his own, against Nidaime and Shodaime's attacks for a while, then they came to a break and he was unhurt. Then he charged in to attack Orochimaru directly, and got kicked back while placing the exploding tags. If they didn't have such ridiculous regeneration he would have beaten them right there. I would hardly call his performance losing badly, or even losing at all. He had to get desperate at the end to deal with the regeneration, which is why he allowed himself to be beat on while pulling out their souls. He might not have ever been fighting 3 at once, except for that brief second where the two kicked him as he fought Oro, but it is still fighting three people. If he was only fighting two he wouldn't have run out of stamina while sealing the third soul.
Or you can just see the fight for what it was; Oro vs Sandaime and Oro won.It wasn't just Oro, it was him and 2 Kage level nins he summoned. It isn't fair at all to say it was just him. Unless you want to say that pre-skip Naruto completely alone is more powerful than a Bijou.

[Qrαhms]

(First, Nidaime is at a disadvantage in Elemental powers against Gaara, Earth> Water)

In the end Sarutobi can defend against ALL of Gaara's attacks with Enma's Diamond Poll Henge, but does he have anything to beat the ultimate deffence? Then again, lets remember that Gaara has 2 different Sands, the one he always keeps and the one he makes...

The one he keeps is extremely strong and fast, while the other is much weaker and slower as was stated. And ImO Gaara's only way to actually be able to harm old Saru is using his strong Sand, which in turn means making his own deffence Incomplete. Which in turn would make Sarutobi's attacks quite useful against Gaara's weakened deffence... Unless of course Gaara is always on the deffensive and uses his weaker sand... in which case Sarutobi would preserve Chakra and reduce himself to guard against Gaaras weaker sand.

In the end Sarutobi has a good chance of defeating Gaara, especially considering he has both his Diamond Poll deffence as well as his Doton deffence.
Ack, I forgot the fact that Enma can Henge. :P

As for Doton jutsus (eg. Doton: Doryuuheki), it can only protect the user from strainght frontal attacks, and is quite slow in terms of execution. As stated, the sand can get around this easily. Or Gaara can catch Sandaime with his Sabaku Kyuu from below instead when he's seeking protection behind the Doton wall.

Kakuzu's Doton jutsu is another story. :laugh
As for Gaara, he prioritize more on his defense and will always use his stonger sand for defense prupose; his defense couldn't have been weakened. And Diamond Poll most likely won't be able to penetrate the guard.

Even if Sandaime can use the Diamond Poll to defend against Gaara's attacks, it woin't be able to bail him out either. Don't forget the fact that Gaara is a calculating, cold-blooded shinobi. He maybe not as smart as Shikamaru, but as far as I can see, he can effectively exploit openings and counter it with his sand. Remember how he caught Kimimaro off guard with his Suna Shigure? Not only he can manipulate his sand well (to a point where it can be very unpredictable), he is also very calculative in performing his attacks. It won't take long for Gaara to see through Sandaime's Diamond Poll and catch him off guard with either Sabaku Kyuu or even Sabaku Rou.

Kimimaro lasted long enough thanks to his Kekkei Genkai and his CS. Sandaime can only depend on his jutsus, and unlike Kimimaro, once he's caught with Sabaku Kyuu, it's game over for him.

[hyuuga_neji14732]

Gaara would put up a good fite but in the end Old man Sarutobi would win

[Grrblt]

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/7296/naruto12015gv9.jpg
Yes really. The translation is wrong. I can prove it easily by pointing to several Konoha jutsu that Sandaime can't use (Sharingan, Byakugan), but the point is that the Japanese verb translates to "handle". He can handle all Konoha jutsu. Since we know it doesn't mean he can use them all, it means he can counter them.

He was fighting, and holding his own, against Nidaime and Shodaime's attacks for a while, then they came to a break and he was unhurt. Then he charged in to attack Orochimaru directly, and got kicked back while placing the exploding tags. If they didn't have such ridiculous regeneration he would have beaten them right there. I would hardly call his performance losing badly, or even losing at all. He had to get desperate at the end to deal with the regeneration, which is why he allowed himself to be beat on while pulling out their souls. He might not have ever been fighting 3 at once, except for that brief second where the two kicked him as he fought Oro, but it is still fighting three people. If he was only fighting two he wouldn't have run out of stamina while sealing the third soul.
Sure he was losing badly. He had no way of dealing damage except his final suicide no jutsu, and even that didn't even work completely.
Regeneration is a part of those summons. If they didn't have such ridiculous regeneration, Oro would probably have joined the fight.

It wasn't just Oro, it was him and 2 Kage level nins he summoned. It isn't fair at all to say it was just him. Unless you want to say that pre-skip Naruto completely alone is more powerful than a Bijou.
And it wasn't just Sandaime, it was him and Enma and the Death God. Oro + summons vs Sandaime + summons. That is what known as a 1 on 1. I have absolutely no idea why you brought Naruto into this.

[Spudly nin of krabcheese]

I think that Old Sandiame would win.

[Petrie]

I can't see how Sandaime could ever break his defense..

[Gaara_Maniac]

I can't see how Sandaime could ever break his defense..

rite,gaara kick sandaime's old ass.

[Vagrant Tom]

First of all, it is just a stupid anime filler that suiton > sand. In the manga battledome, this is not true

Also, Gaaras sand has no elements, it is not an element and has no specific elemental strengths and weaknesses.

How does Sarutobi break the sand defences?
He has shown no jutsu capable of this. His katon is weak. Emna is made of diamond and diamond is uber hard right? Well let me use a different example, if you had a diamond bar (think crowbar), could you cut a tree in half? No. The density and strength of the material of your weapon does not improve your attack.
Attack strength is based on pressure. Pressure is the amount of force per unit area (P= F/A). Thus a sharper blade has a thinner edge and has a smaller surface area. This is why a sharper sword cuts better. Similarly, you can attack with greater force, also increasing the pressure. Attacking with a tougher weapon does not change the pressure of the attack. Thus, the diamond staff cannot beat Gaaras sand defences.

How does Sarutobi defend from Gaaras attacks?
Sarutobi could use doton wall stop the avalanche, but Gaara will just move his sand round the wall. Emna staff cage has large gaps in it, sand can still enter and cruch him.

Thus Gaara wins.

[Kira]

Sarutobi solos:zaru.

[Mr.Jones]

this would be a good fuckin fight, but id say gaara takes it in the end

[Sōsuke Aizen]

gaara could takes this..but not sure.

[Yellow]

Gaara wins. With the amount of sand he can control, Sarutobi will have a hard time even getting near to him and Sarutobi is slow.

[Cirus]

I bleieve that Gaara will win.

[.ProFound.]

Thats pretty tough, people wanna say that The 3rd is underrated, but i think Gaara is the underrated one...

Gaara is the Kazekage, just like Sarutobi was Hokage, if Sarutobi was in his prime then i would say he would win simply because he knows so many jutsu...but honestly i think Gaara and his sand jutsu would eventually be to much for sarutobi...i mean remember Gaara. Even with all his jutsu and intellect i dont think he could outlast Gaara`s large amount of chakra and stamina compaired to his own..

It would be an epic fight like vs Orochimaru but i think Gaara actually wins

[Mike Hunt]

Thats pretty tough, people wanna say that The 3rd is underrated, but i think Gaara is the underrated one...

Gaara is the Kazekage, just like Sarutobi was Hokage, if Sarutobi was in his prime then i would say he would win simply because he knows so many jutsu...but honestly i think Gaara and his sand jutsu would eventually be to much for sarutobi...i mean remember Gaara. Even with all his jutsu and intellect i dont think he could outlast Gaara`s large amount of chakra and stamina compaired to his own..

It would be an epic fight like vs Orochimaru but i think Gaara actually wins

Wasn't he called the strongest of the Kages currently???