martryn breaks down One Piece

[martryn]

Lots of threads want to know why. I'm tired of seeing new ones pop up. I'm here to give reasons. Why do people dislike One Piece? Should you read it? Is it for me?

One Piece is about a boy. He's an anime stereotype alright: incredibly stupid, powers gained through happenstance, a knack for drawing random people with enormous powers to him, and the willpower to do anything he sets his mind to. In our case, the boy, Luffy, eats magical fruit that takes away his ability to swim but somehow turns him into rubber at the same time. He decides, on a whim, to become a pirate, and so he does. Then he gathers a crew in search of treasure. Not just any treasure, but an unnamed treasure in an unnamed place of questionable value, the discovery of which would enable the finder to become the pirate king, whatever that is.

So anyway, the plot is pretty simple, but to dumb it down more, it follows a pattern. Luffy visits island. Luffy meets a potential crew member. Luffy asks potential crew member to follow him. Potential crew member refuses. Boss shows up. Luffy fights boss and narrowly wins. Potential crew member fights boss's second in command and narrowly wins. Potential crew member become crew member. Rinse and repeat. Each arc has minor variations on the theme, but don't let it fool you, it's the same thing over and over and over again.

People praise Odo's character development and creativity. I disagree. Odo has no character development, as the characters don't develop. Sure they get new abilities and what not, but for the most part Luffy acts the same now as he did back in chapter one. Not saying the characters aren't complex and believable (in that anime sense), they are, but they're all static characters.

As for the creativity, One Piece really is... imaginative. But calling it creative is like calling a 4 year old's childish scribbles creative. Sure, sometimes they're cute, but for the most part you have no idea where he gets some of his ideas. One Piece leaves creative behind and instead focuses on randomness. There is no rhyme or reason for why things in One Piece happen, they just do. And for the rarity of these devil fruits that give magical powers, it's a little suspicious when all characters under the sun end up with them. Count the number of devil fruit partakers in the manga, and you'll get a number well over two dozen. Funny how Luffy keeps running into them. And the powers? From the start, boy made of rubber seems rather ridiculous. Why did it give such a power? And then we have ones that turn you into a giraffe. Or allow you to use the power of bubbles, or wax. What the fuck gives the tree the ability to make these incredibly random abilities?

And the story is riddled with plot holes. Luffy and his team are traveling from island to island on their quest to reach the end of grandline. Where are the people already at the end? Or near the end? Why haven't they reached it already? And why can't people come at it from another direction? And if all these super powerful forces are just sitting around near the end of Grandline, why don't they snatch up the treasure already? And because everything is pretty much one way in Grandline, how do people like Luffy's grandfather manage to travel all the way to Luffy so quickly? If Luffy could travel fast enough to get away, why can't he be a lot further down the road?

Anywho, I guess I need to make a list of One Piece flaws. Here it is, in no particular order:
1. Repetitive story. The same things happen time and time again. There is nothing that really shakes things up or spoils the routine.
2. Art style is very... cartoonish. Lacks the gritty realistic feel a lot of people want in a manga.
3. Unbelievable happenstance in the story. Luffy and crew gain abilities when needed, and then lose them again when they're not vital. Luck is always on their side, and they never really suffer from misfortune that sets them back. In fact, one of the characters died tragically to save the kingdom/city, detonating a bomb point blank, until we find out some 200 chapters later that he's alive and well after all.
4. Random plot elements. We have a cyborg wearing a speedo who is fueled by carbonated beverages. Luffy must get past the 15 foot tall killer man-eating rabbits before he can give his sick friend to the talking reindeer doctor.
5. The fans. Never have I seen a bunch of people so deluded by this anime. Some of them make me completely sick. Talk about overestimating every characters abilities...

I, personally, despite all this, love One Piece. It does have some good qualities to it. Once you get past the repetitiveness of the story and concentrate on the crew's personalities and intra-ship relations it's amazing to see. Zoro and Sanji are two of the most badass characters in any anime, and its a shame they get upstaged time and again by the stereotypical Luffy, whose actions are easy to read and predict. Robin, despite all we know of her, is still incredibly mysterious. And then there's Chopper, who is adorable one moment and scary as fuck the next. Even my least favorite character at the beginning, Usopp, is growing on me. To see a coward find his courage time and again is heart warming.

And while the story is cliche, it does have it's moments of surprise. We're beginning to see a real depth behind the scenes, and things that happened several hundred chapters ago are coming back finally to finally reveal the movers and shakers in the One Piece universe. In all this is the occasional plot twist that takes us all by surprise and makes us keep reading to see how it further develops.

The fights, while outright silly sometimes, are fast paced and imaginative. When you see Sanji kick the shit out of someone, you can't help but to clinch your fist and give a mighty "Hell's yeah, bitches!" And Zoro's mastery of the sword is getting scary good.

This isn't really supposed to be a bash One Piece thread, but it seems as if most people want to know what's so good or bad about it, and so I'm trying to take it at face value. It's definitely not for everyone, but you'll be surprised by the type of people that find themselves enjoying it.

[Kisame]

in before one piece hate.

oh snap

[Suzumebachi]

in before one piece hate.

oh snap

Beat me to it.

Oh wait.

[ZE]

basically one piece is like any japanese rpg game. And you know how much the japanese’s love rpgs, don’t you?

[Locard]

1. Repetitive story. The same things happen time and time again. There is nothing that really shakes things up or spoils the routine.
2. Art style is very... cartoonish. Lacks the gritty realistic feel a lot of people want in a manga.
3. Unbelievable happenstance in the story. Luffy and crew gain abilities when needed, and then lose them again when they're not vital. Luck is always on their side, and they never really suffer from misfortune that sets them back. In fact, one of the characters died tragically to save the kingdom/city, detonating a bomb point blank, until we find out some 200 chapters later that he's alive and well after all.
4. Random plot elements. We have a cyborg wearing a speedo who is fueled by carbonated beverages. Luffy must get past the 15 foot tall killer man-eating rabbits before he can give his sick friend to the talking reindeer doctor.
5. The fans. Never have I seen a bunch of people so deluded by this anime. Some of them make me completely sick. Talk about overestimating every characters abilities...
You forgot the fact that no one dies, automatically turning it into an extremely kiddish manga compared to even... Naruto

[Suzumebachi]

Where are the people already at the end?

Only Gold Roger ever reached the end.

Or near the end?

Whitebeard is closest. Stated in manga.

Why haven't they reached it already?

Its hard to get to. The Grand Line is difficult to navigate.

And why can't people come at it from another direction?

There is no wind on the Calm Belt.

And if all these super powerful forces are just sitting around near the end of Grandline, why don't they snatch up the treasure already?

Like its that easy.

And because everything is pretty much one way in Grandline, how do people like Luffy's grandfather manage to travel all the way to Luffy so quickly?

The marines were stated to have advanced ships. And there are such things as Eternal Posts.

If Luffy could travel fast enough to get away, why can't he be a lot further down the road?

Do you know how long it takes to sail around the world?

I'll get to the rest of this later.

[MdB]

Good... now spit even more venom.

[Ram]

This is a series I would like to get into if it wasn't for the length (40+ volumes), my old age, the horrible art and a lot of OP hate.
But besides that many people love it and recommend it, and a lot of criticisers seem to like Naruto which makes me wary of their judgement.

I've watched the first 10 or so episodes (I couldn't stomach the stupidity after meeting Buggy the Clown and Usopp) but I'll give it another chance in the summer when I have some spare time.

5. The fans. Never have I seen a bunch of people so deluded by this anime. Some of them make me completely sick. Talk about overestimating every characters abilities...

And I really don't get this. I've seen the fights on youtube, and looked at uploaded pages. If anyone wants to give me some more links to look at, it would be appreciated.

But I'll keep my mind open. It's a childrens' series, designed for entertainment and not to be taken too seriously.

[Limit_Tester]

Oh I see. You must be reading a different manga than me. Because the One Piece I've been reading is by Oda, not Odo. And that manga has very few of the flaws that you have mentioned.

[Suzumebachi]

People praise Odo's character development and creativity.


Odo?
http://scifiblog.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/odo.gif

[Aman]

One Piece to me is one of those mangas that's really hard to get into, and then it doesn't help that the beginning is the worst part of the manga (although it gets better and better until it's amazing). So yeah, I kinda understand why people don't like One Piece a lot. Heck, a few years ago I stopped reading it for no reason, I just stopped, and then caught up again maybe six months (or less) ago.

I'm glad I did. :grin

[Razor Ramon HG]

Odo?
http://scifiblog.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/odo.gif

You sir are a WINRAR!

[King Bookah]

Martryn, I disagree about OP being repetitive and I personally think Oda is very creative (must be drugs). OP is usually pretty fresh and inventive IMO. But, you make some valid (and not so valid) points which I'm not gonna get into. So, I leave it at that. I get where you're comin from but not everyone here will be as nice so expect the obligitary "u suck, OP iz teh best" backlash. (also the obligitory Naruto insults even tho nobody mentioned it)

Have fun kids.

[Hype]

I could write all day on the flaws of both Naruto and Bleach but I'll leave it at

I cant stand either one of them.

Point being every single manga ever wrote will have flaws/plot holes ect

I dont see how anyone can enjoy a series when you spend vast amounts of time over analyzing the tinyest of details. I personally just enjoy the laughs/action/plot of the show.

I know it doesnt make a lot of sense most of the time but so what I dont want realistic anime I want entertaining anime


Stating that at least the thread was worth wandering into. Its nice to read why you have an opinion about one piece without the 3 line threads I am use to which simply state

"Naruto is da better than one piece"

[Masaki]

Usually, I'd make a long detailed post pointing out my arguements against your's, but...

Not just any treasure, but an unnamed treasure in an unnamed place

You obviously haven't read a single chapter or watched a single episode. Forgetting Raftel's name is fine. It took me a while to remember. But not knowing the name of the treasure Luffy's looking for just says to me that your entire arguement can be put into question.

[Pipboy]

Okay Martyrn having read through your lengthy and ponderous cogitation on the very nature of One Piece I am going to respond to you in two parts. The first one is going to be a very simple and direct statement to you. The second will be a point by point rebuttle to everything you said.

PART I
Short and sweet.

Dear Martyrn,
You are obviously struggling with a massive inferiority complex. The fact that you need to post an massive and lengthy justification, complete with factual and logical errors and a blindness to poetry art and writing that borders on pathological, tells me that you need to prop some sort of falsehood up in your mind. Its not One Pieces fault that its a more powerful universe that beats on your favored characters. Its not one pieces fault that it is more successful than your favored franchises. It's not one pieces fault that it is better than other manga's. Most people who create threads about hating one piece haven't read it, didn't get past the third chapter or are on the defensive from the fanbase (IE you). Almost everyone who has a tale tells it such that they initially didn't like OP but then had a massive conversion and are now big time fans. Its a relative minority that read the series and become even more bitter. Congratulations you're special.

You might just have well have titled this, "Why I dislike a selection of individuals".

Pipboy, and all the other OP regulars.


PART II
Gentlement Start Your Keyboards
Lots of threads want to know why. I'm tired of seeing new ones pop up. I'm here to give reasons. Why do people dislike One Piece? Should you read it? Is it for me?

This is the first of many completely false tales. Most people who object to OP HAVEN'T read it. And those that do most often post "wow I love this series" threads. You are responsible personally for about 50% of the anti one piece threads.


One Piece is about a boy. He's an anime stereotype alright: incredibly stupid, powers gained through happenstance, a knack for drawing random people with enormous powers to him, and the willpower to do anything he sets his mind to.

I suggest you read sailor moon. Its about girls. The Shonen universe must be a horrible place for you.


In our case, the boy, Luffy, eats magical fruit that takes away his ability to swim but somehow turns him into rubber at the same time. He decides, on a whim, to become a pirate, and so he does. Then he gathers a crew in search of treasure. Not just any treasure, but an unnamed treasure in an unnamed place of questionable value, the discovery of which would enable the finder to become the pirate king, whatever that is.

"Fame, Wealth, Power. The man who had everything, Pirate King Gold Rodger"

Well that seems to be a pretty straightforward definition. And given its repeated at the start of EVERY EPISODE. I can't understand how you would miss that.

However on a more psychosocial point, the Second half of the grand line, or the New World is a dangerous place with vast opportunity. Devils fruits and untapped resources inhabit it (as shown by Blackbeards supposition that a New World Pirate crew with power would be the best place to find a devils fruit with literally world shattering potency). The Grand line is rich in impossible resources and thus like any unexploited resource holds vast wealth for those that can conquer its dangers. Much like the America's held in the age of explorations.


So anyway, the plot is pretty simple, but to dumb it down more, it follows a pattern. Luffy visits island. Luffy meets a potential crew member.

This is patently untrue. Little Garden, Whiskey Peak, Lougetown, Arlong Park, Skypiea, Jaya, Long Ring all had no crew members. As also didn't romance dawn.


Luffy asks potential crew member to follow him.

Untrue. Usopp, Chopper, Robin and Franky were all post arc joins.


Potential crew member refuses.

Untrue. Zoro, Chopper, Robin, Nami and Usopp put up no more than token resistance and the only one truely resistant were Sanji and Franky.


Boss shows up. Luffy fights boss and narrowly wins.

Untrue. Luffy has had little or no problem with many foes, including Buggy, Wapol, Bellamy, Mr. 3 and often what combat there is is divided into others, like Mr. 3. Furthermore, you just described EVERY SINGLE SHONEN IN THE DAMN WORLD! When has naruto had a fight he didn't Narrowly Win? How about Ichigo, he narrowly wins almost every single fight. Grandfisher, Menos Grande, Renji, Ikkaku, Renji again, Kenpachi, Byakuya. Are we seeing a trend? And its not even like Luffy doesn't LOSE.


Potential crew member fights boss's second in command and narrowly wins.

Untrue. Zoro knocked out morgan. Nami fought no one. Usopp AND Zoro AND a group of kids take out Jango. Robin fights NO ONE, in fact she has only fought one hero, one villian and lost to crocodile. Franky doesn't fight the second in command he fight the 6th in command and he takes out the moral villian. Sanji LOST to Gin.

You seem sadly out of touch with what you assume to be the formula.


Potential crew member become crew member.

Except when you get a curveball, like Vivi or Paulie. Which accounting for the 7 strawhats is a 30% abouts probablity. Lets not even mention that most manga's don't even bother with recruitment and just say, hey! your on my team RANDOMLY. Hantaro, Sai, All the Konoha teams who all start together, the great desert brothers and more.


Rinse and repeat.

Given that the only thing you have gotten right so far is that there are in fact multiple islands involved. I think the only thing that is rinsing and repeating is your ignorance.


Each arc has minor variations on the theme, but don't let it fool you, it's the same thing over and over and over again.


COUGH, <<save sasuke part I, II, III??>> COUGH <<every single part of bleach's second arc>> COUGH <<flame of recca parts I through all>>> COUGH <<Yu yu hakusho tournment bonanza>> COUGH

Cont.

[Pipboy]

People praise Odo's character development and creativity. I disagree. Odo has no character development, as the characters don't develop. Sure they get new abilities and what not, but for the most part Luffy acts the same now as he did back in chapter one. Not saying the characters aren't complex and believable (in that anime sense), they are, but they're all static characters.

Most every character undergoes fundamental change in thier primary arc. You seem to think that naruto is somehow different now than in chapter one. Sasuke is still brooding and all of the rookie nine are untouched save shikamaru. Furthermore there is a vastly greater emotional investment in One Piece than in the other series. More people claim to have been moved to tears by Arlong Park or Drum or have been impressed by the epic character of alabasta and Enies Lobby than I can count.

Your defintion of character developement supposes that the story should grind to a complete halt so that the needs of each character is tended to. The most amazing thing about one piece is that he can juggle the massive primaryu cast who unlike in bleach or naruto don't take random 100 chapter vactions is truely impressive.

Naruto doesn't deal with more than 3 or 4 characters at once and FAILs to develope them at all. Even Berserk which has probably the best and most character developement never has more than a primary cast of 6 and of them 2 or 3 are unchanging or mad.

One piece has kept every one of its characters in speaking roles since the begining and has a massive secondary cast in each arc that are fully developed and often the emotional crux of the arc. You suppose that somehow the characters are supposed to be in a constant state of metamorphisis and yet seem to have no problem with every other shonen where such changes don't occur with triple the screen time.

Furthermore, the main character of OP luffy is still an enigma, for all the childish aspects his past is only now being plumbed and it is proving to be a massive influence. Furthermore his character has been shown to develope in his attitudes and actions. The very fact you can read the same manga as I am and miss the whole Usopp leaves the crew and "the captains burden is heavy" with zoro or the whole "She is a naive fool and in war people die" speech between luffy and crocodile.


As for the creativity, One Piece really is... imaginative. But calling it creative is like calling a 4 year old's childish scribbles creative. Sure, sometimes they're cute, but for the most part you have no idea where he gets some of his ideas. One Piece leaves creative behind and instead focuses on randomness. There is no rhyme or reason for why things in One Piece happen, they just do. And for the rarity of these devil fruits that give magical powers, it's a little suspicious when all characters under the sun end up with them. Count the number of devil fruit partakers in the manga, and you'll get a number well over two dozen. Funny how Luffy keeps running into them. And the powers? From the start, boy made of rubber seems rather ridiculous. Why did it give such a power? And then we have ones that turn you into a giraffe. Or allow you to use the power of bubbles, or wax. What the fuck gives the tree the ability to make these incredibly random abilities?


Creating random powers isn't impressive. Its making those powers badass and effective that is the challenge. In an inherently fictional universe there is no need for there to be a central reason for WHY magic works or HOW it works only that it does. In Lord of the Rings magic is left entirely mysterious and its reason and mechanics are never even approached save in the most anecdotal forms. Does that bar it from being an amazing story?

Furthermore unlike other authors Oda doesn't say, hey you have puppet powers so your awesomest attack is like a HUNDRED puppets. Or in bleach were everything you do just makes an explosion. He instead munchikins out the power mining it for the very specific applications. Thus instead of his fights being dominated by random powerups they are extrapolations of the giving abiltiy.

Moving on, you are alone. Every single person I have ever met has been awed by the creative power of oda. In polls even the most stalwart haters admit that oda wins in creativity and humor. The fact that you are bringing this out shows a manifest failure in logic and reason.

The random nature of one piece is also right in line with its fantastic setting. One piece is a fairy tale and the sooner you realize this the happier you will be. If energy blasts showed up in Eyeshield 21 everyone would be looking on like an idiot saying WTF. OR flying robots in naruto. One piece let you know what was going on in moment one and hasn't deviated in the least.

Finally, you seem to be wrong again. Devils fruits keep popping up not because of chance but because of concentration. IN east blue only 1 foe had a devils fruit, and that was buggy. Other than him Luffy is the sole DF user. Its only once you are introduced to the grand line, the place where they grow, and the place occupied by the strongest do they start coming out in force. To move furter along this line of thinking you must realize that devils fruits give power. And if power determines your status in the world, like it does in OP then it is inevitable than any man of power have a decent chance of being a DF user. I fail to see how this is a difficult concept to get.



And the story is riddled with plot holes.

This should be fun.


Luffy and his team are traveling from island to island on their quest to reach the end of grandline. Where are the people already at the end?

This is called, not a plot hole, because there is obviously a set of hazards that prevents it. IT would be a plot hole if it was easy to travel or if it has been shown and then are introduced things that would make it easy to reach that no one is using to do so, but the author has not only stated its difficult to navigate and fatal at that, but there is competition and UNREVEALED problems with reaching raftel.

Thus once again, like PnJ you don't understand what a plot hole is.

Or near the end? Why haven't they reached it already?

They are called the four emperors and well, given that they are both fighting each other, the shikibukai and the WG as well as having to navigate whatever inherent hazards there are in the new world as well as the specific unknown hazards of raftel I don't get how this is a plot hole.

Thus once again, like PnJ you don't understand what a plot hole is.

And why can't people come at it from another direction?

The calm belt in the first half is filled with monster that make godzilla look like and ant AND has no wind. Furthermore whatever inhibits travel on the second half is unknown, thus can't be wrong unless shown.

Thus once again, like PnJ you don't understand what a plot hole is.

And if all these super powerful forces are just sitting around near the end of Grandline, why don't they snatch up the treasure already?

You or I have no idea how close to the end they are or what hazards they face.

Thus once again, like PnJ you don't understand what a plot hole is.


And because everything is pretty much one way in Grandline, how do people like Luffy's grandfather manage to travel all the way to Luffy so quickly?

Because a crazy marine scientist who figured out how to infuse devils fruits into inanimate objects has a method of moving through the clam belt, combined with eternal posts that always point to ALREADY EXPLORED ISLANDS! They can in addition to conveances like the sea train navigate the grand line they have alread infiltrated rapidly.

If Luffy could travel fast enough to get away, why can't he be a lot further down the road?

Because he has refused any attempt to be given a eternal post, and he has not gone out of his way to aquire them. Furthermore he doesn't have enough seastone to coat the bottom of his ship and he doesn't know the methods of smelting it if he did.

cont.

[Pipboy]

Anywho, I guess I need to make a list of One Piece flaws. Here it is, in no particular order:

Once again. This is going to be fun.


1. Repetitive story. The same things happen time and time again. There is nothing that really shakes things up or spoils the routine.


Not only is this your opinion its an incorrect one as I illustrated to you earlier. Not only that but every arc of OP occurs in a new and exotic local. Desert, Winter, water, jungle and horror show, tribal forests, cities, speeding trains and Fortress Courthouses. Your concept of repetitive seems to omit, identical forests, missions that never enter anyplace were natives live, or generic battlegrounds and the same damn training space under uraharas. You are obviously completely blinded by your prejudices or else I wouldn't have to slap you with your manifold failures.


2. Art style is very... cartoonish. Lacks the gritty realistic feel a lot of people want in a manga.

Okay.... and this is.... what. A reason? Apparently Japan doesn't think so. Nor do the masses of americans who read peanuts. Cartoonish style is just that, a style. Most people dislike more than one thing about anything they watch. The amount of people for whom this is a issue that drowns out every other thing the manga does far better than its competitors is statistically so miniscule it borders on idiotic.

Artistically there is even less merit as one piece has the most consistently detailed and lively art of any of the big three and moreover can shift on a dime into menace and wonder and comedy. Just read the latest chapters.


3. Unbelievable happenstance in the story. Luffy and crew gain abilities when needed, and then lose them again when they're not vital. Luck is always on their side, and they never really suffer from misfortune that sets them back. In fact, one of the characters died tragically to save the kingdom/city, detonating a bomb point blank, until we find out some 200 chapters later that he's alive and well after all.


Other than the refusal to let characters die which is the biggest gripe everyone has I think you seem to have confused Naruto with one Piece. See in One piece NO ONE FORGETS ANYTHING. Luffy Still uses the same basic pistol he used in chapter one. He still knows gear 2 and soru and moreover your full of shit. Zoro attempted to use the Lion Requeim on Kaku, he used the demon slash repeatedly. Its not forgetting, its evolving. Every move they use is an upgrade on a theme, kicks sowrds and the like. Chopper uses every point always. And Luck is called the story. Its on everyones side who is in fiction. The fact you are complaining about it means you are grasping at straws.


4. Random plot elements. We have a cyborg wearing a speedo who is fueled by carbonated beverages. Luffy must get past the 15 foot tall killer man-eating rabbits before he can give his sick friend to the talking reindeer doctor.


Given that people are moved to tears by the reindeer doctors story, something must be right. Also what part of fantastic don't you get. Is it the fan? Or the tastic. What I don't get is how Kishimoto can make sasuke into one of the main villains and still doesn't have the guts to make him kill someone.


5. The fans. Never have I seen a bunch of people so deluded by this anime. Some of them make me completely sick. Talk about overestimating every characters abilities...


So basically what you just said, and here I believe is the the crux of your entire essay, is that people in the mean old battle dome, beat you up made you look like an idiot and now your pissed and by george your gonna show them with your "cutting" dissection of one piece. Talk about pathetic.

And not only that but when was the last time you saw ONe piece fans posting in naruto talking about how much it sucked with the intention of picking a fight. You and a couple others seem dedicated to One pieces destruction. As to us? The fans? We are so completely assured in our series supiriority we wouldn't stoop to spit on you if you didn't insist on kicking dirt in our faces.



I, personally, despite all this, love One Piece. It does have some good qualities to it. Once you get past the repetitiveness of the story and concentrate on the crew's personalities and intra-ship relations it's amazing to see. Zoro and Sanji are two of the most badass characters in any anime, and its a shame they get upstaged time and again by the stereotypical Luffy, whose actions are easy to read and predict. Robin, despite all we know of her, is still incredibly mysterious. And then there's Chopper, who is adorable one moment and scary as fuck the next. Even my least favorite character at the beginning, Usopp, is growing on me. To see a coward find his courage time and again is heart warming.

And while the story is cliche, it does have it's moments of surprise. We're beginning to see a real depth behind the scenes, and things that happened several hundred chapters ago are coming back finally to finally reveal the movers and shakers in the One Piece universe. In all this is the occasional plot twist that takes us all by surprise and makes us keep reading to see how it further develops.

The fights, while outright silly sometimes, are fast paced and imaginative. When you see Sanji kick the shit out of someone, you can't help but to clinch your fist and give a mighty "Hell's yeah, bitches!" And Zoro's mastery of the sword is getting scary good.

This isn't really supposed to be a bash One Piece thread, but it seems as if most people want to know what's so good or bad about it, and so I'm trying to take it at face value. It's definitely not for everyone, but you'll be surprised by the type of people that find themselves enjoying it.

Its good to see you are enjoying one piece. But maybe in the future you should remember that Myself, Suzumebachi and Limiter tester are people not a story, and though we enjoy OP we are mean to you because we are mean people, not because we like One Piece.

Pipboy.

[Kisame]

O.o anyone loves pipboy like I do?

[martryn]

You forgot the fact that no one dies, automatically turning it into an extremely kiddish manga compared to even... Naruto

I mentioned that. It's in point 4.

Whitebeard is closest. Stated in manga.

Isn't he the guy that Shanks just randomly found and started talking to? If he's closest, what I Shanks?

There is no wind on the Calm Belt.

No wind? That's what's stopping them? In this crazy, fucked up world?

The marines were stated to have advanced ships. And there are such things as Eternal Posts.

Why don't the pirates have advanced ships? And why isn't there an eternal post to the end of Grand Line, or something really fucking close to the end?

Because the One Piece I've been reading is by Oda, not Odo. And that manga has very few of the flaws that you have mentioned.

Oops, I misspelled the guy's last name. My bad. Course, could you mention perhaps what flaws aren't in the manga that I pointed out? You're the largest One Piece fanboy here, so I'll take everything you say with a bucket of salt.

Martryn, I disagree about OP being repetitive

I can't see how you can possibly say how its not repetitive, since it's largest fans have complained in the past when Oda deviated from his formula.

I dont see how anyone can enjoy a series when you spend vast amounts of time over analyzing the tinyest of details. I personally just enjoy the laughs/action/plot of the show.

I entirely agree, and I would never make a post like this if it wasn't for the forum members who violently lash out at people who even think ill of One Piece. I greatly enjoy One Piece still, but I can't stomach reading it when it's been over-analyzed in the Battledome threads to the point where it doesn't seem realistic to me. I happen to be one of the few people here that actually take it at face value.

"Naruto is da better than one piece"

Did I even mention Naruto or Bleach. Yeah, I can make similar threads dissing them, too, if you'd like, though I think I mentioned that I'm not dissing One Piece as much as contemplating why it's considered so good when it's chalk full of stereotypes, cliches, bad humor, and deviant artistic imagery.

You obviously haven't read a single chapter or watched a single episode.

And you obviously are a eunuch. Name the treasure at the end that everyone wants to get to, and name precisely where it is.

O.o anyone loves pipboy like I do?

Actually, see point five in my opening post. I give you prove. Who writes enough to fill three whole posts in response to one?

[Kaki]

a knack for drawing random people with enormous powers to him, and the willpower to do anything he sets his mind to.QTF and goodness.

leaves creative behind and instead focuses on randomness. Not inherently a bad thing..... the rubber man this is not bad either. But this does not mean is always a good thing.....and combinded with style.....

if all these super powerful forces are just sitting around near the end of Grandline, why don't they snatch up the treasure already? That seems to be the ultimate OP question.
I don't think its a linear journy at least in respect to the goal. Its not the map.

1. Repetitive story. The same things happen time and time again. There is nothing that really shakes things up or spoils the routine. Not optimal, but not damning in itself.

2. Art style is very... cartoonish. Lacks the gritty realistic feel a lot of people want in a manga. Now that I think about that Its true....but manga does not have to be realistic. Oda's stye is just wacko.

detonating a bomb point blank, until we find out some 200 chapters later that he's alive and well after all. I must say a bit much. If he wanted todo that he should have been more careful. But if Kishi brought dosu back, I'd be quite pleased.

We have a cyborg wearing a speedo who is fueled by carbonated beverages. No complaints here.

The fans. Kinda like nintendo fans?

Zoro and Sanji are two of the most badass characters in any anime, and its a shame they get upstaged time and again by the stereotypical Luffy It could help some viewers relate, but it happens a bit much.

Good post. And it raises the point? Why can't we just skip to the end? Have a . . . you tell me.


so I'm trying to take it at face value. Good job. you may want to tag the part about the bomb.

[Ishin Shishi]

People praise Odo's character development and creativity. I disagree. Odo has no character development, as the characters don't develop.
Even my least favorite character at the beginning, Usopp, is growing on me. To see a coward find his courage time and again is heart warming.
Yes, that makes perfect sense.

There are so many things I disagree with, but I won't bother since martryn always leaves threads when faced with good rebuttals.

[Blind Itachi]

if i don't see more Sogeking i'll go to martryn's side soon :(...

[King Bookah]

Wasn't Sogeking killed in a car accident?

[Geg]

And if all these super powerful forces are just sitting around near the end of Grandline, why don't they snatch up the treasure already?
This is my only real complaint about the series (aside from Usopp). You apparently have Shanks, Whitebeard, and two other pirates completely dominating the last part of the Grand Line, and no one seems to want to keep sailing for One Piece.

Whitebeard: *insert whatever distinct laughter Whitebeard has* I'm the fucking Whitebeard!
Crewmember: Well, since we're already here at the end of the Grand Line, what say we sail to Raftel and find Gold Roger's treasure?
Whitebeard: I'm too busy being ambiguously powerful for that!

[Kaki]

lol, quite true.......but not a big problem.

[martryn]

Again, I think people miss the point. I don't dislike One Piece. This is not a thread where I was trying to diss certain people. This isn't a bash One Piece thread. This is a "take One Piece at face value, stop over-analyzing it, and enjoy the cliche" thread.

And, again, I didn't even mention or try to compare One Piece to Naruto or Bleach. Yeah, Naruto and Bleach have serious problems with their stories too. However, this is a thread about One Piece.

[King Bookah]

Well martryn, this is a One Piece sub-forum so it's expected that there will be overanalyzation and whatnot. Just like the Naruto/Bleach sections, that's what these types of sites are for.

As for the Naruto/Bleach bashing, like people in this forum need a reason to bash them. They do it because it somehow makes them feel better about themselves and their tastes. Quite sad actually. LOL

[Limit_Tester]

And you obviously are a eunuch. Name the treasure at the end that everyone wants to get to, and name precisely where it is.


Its called One Piece. And its on Raftel, which is at the end of the Grand Line. I can't even remember how many times that has been stated.

[Pipboy]

Martryn, I specifically included a section "for dummies" as it were. And btw, once your word count hits 10,000 you have to repost. When it hits 10,000 again you have to post again. Its called no more than ten thousand words a post. So I guess its these evil forums.

Of course the fact that your shit is not only literally 95% factually incorrect but written with the grace of an ass falling out of a tree, I understand why you would be hesitant to respond.

Luckily everyone whoe gets a kick out of your badly expressed vitriol will enjoy it.

[martryn]

Its called One Piece. And its on Raftel, which is at the end of the Grand Line.

My point is that no one knows what One Piece is (especially when the search for it began) and no one knows where Raftel is (otherwise they'd have gone there already).

Martryn, I specifically included a section "for dummies" as it were. And btw, once your word count hits 10,000 you have to repost. When it hits 10,000 again you have to post again. Its called no more than ten thousand words a post. So I guess its these evil forums.

Don't you find it slightly humorous that you start by calling my "essay" long, as if in a derogatory manner, and then precede to write three times that amount?

[Limit_Tester]

My point is that no one knows what One Piece is (especially when the search for it began) and no one knows where Raftel is (otherwise they'd have gone there already).

You know, other than the fact that its the ultimate treasure, and at the very least the entirety of Gold Rodger's treasures. Oh, and whoever claims is automatically considered the greatest pirate in the world. To be quite honest, it doesn't matter what it is. Oh and its very possible that people do know where Raftel is but just can't get there.

[martryn]

Yes, that makes perfect sense.

There are so many things I disagree with, but I won't bother since martryn always leaves threads when faced with good rebuttals.

Heh, well, Usopp is the only character that has grown at all, and that's not much. Notice I said he's still a coward, and he still acts the same as always. He is overcoming his fear a little quicker now.

[Pipboy]

Is that the best you can do? I mean, seriously?

[martryn]

other than the fact that its the ultimate treasure

Still undefined.

and at the very least the entirety of Gold Rodger's treasures.

Which is.. how much?

Oh, and whoever claims is automatically considered the greatest pirate in the world.

Largest bounty, most hunted, and bragging rights? Surely you jest.

Oh and its very possible that people do know where Raftel is but just can't get there.

Still begs the question of why not? I mean, these pirates at the end of Grand Line seem to be asskickers, one and all. Are they just waiting around for Luffy to beat them to it?

Is that the best you can do? I mean, seriously?

Oh, are we supposed to be exchanging blows? Are you kidding me? Have you seen how long your freakin' post(s) are? There is no way in hell I'm responding to all that. This is not a martryn vs. One Piece fan thread, as I've already won that battle in being the only one here not obsessed with One Piece to the point where it dominates my normal life and prevents me from getting laid. These were simple observations of the manga.

[Niabingi]

I agree with most of the points you raised martryn! I don't dislike one piece I have read it all I really enjoy some of the characters but I just don't love it as much as everyone else seems to. I find it to be repetitive, the story is all very island to island and what happens in one place barely seems to matter elsewhere. As an example the first time I read it I skipped 90% of the skypiea arc just so I could get to Water 7 after I caught up i went back and read it. This had no bearing on my understanding of what was occuring in the rest of the series.

Also it can be too random at times, like the turn the manga has taken right now is just very huh? I enjoyed CP9 a lot and then I was really getting into the fight between ace and blackbeard and then all of a sudden we are on another random island and having a string of WTF random as hell moments!

I do still love the humor and the characters but I guess out of all series I read I One Piece has flaws that irritate me the most.

[Pipboy]

Given that OP characters don't just randomly start talking about world history I am certain that most everyone does know about one piece. Or at least the general idea of it. Notice how EVERYONE knows who dragon is, but no one mentioned him? Why, because he wasn't relavent to the conversation.

Furthermore, with One Piece is the rest of his presumabley vast treasure.

But once again you are grasping at straws.

[Limit_Tester]

Still undefined.

I'm sure it keeps you up at night.

Which is.. how much?

Alot.


Largest bounty, most hunted, and bragging rights? Surely you jest.

Yes, one might wonder why people become pirates in the first place.

Still begs the question of why not? I mean, these pirates at the end of Grand Line seem to be asskickers, one and all. Are they just waiting around for Luffy to beat them to it?

Yes. There are in fact 4 emperors, and they have plenty of shit to worry about. In fact, the only people we have seen actively pursuing One Piece are Luffy and Blackbeard.

[martryn]

Yes, one might wonder why people become pirates in the first place.

Central to the plot, that's what I come up with.

Yes. There are in fact 4 emperors, and they have plenty of shit to worry about.

They're pirates, what sort of shit can there be? They're right there, just take the damn thing, already.

[Limit_Tester]

Oh, are we supposed to be exchanging blows? Are you kidding me? Have you seen how long your freakin' post(s) are? There is no way in hell I'm responding to all that.

I for one would respond to save the little dignity that you still possess.

This is not a martryn vs. One Piece fan thread, as I've already won that battle in being the only one here not obsessed with One Piece to the point where it dominates my normal life and prevents me from getting laid. These were simple observations of the manga.

Yeah, luckily that ninja obsession of yours covers that. I mean, do you actually have time to do anything between those 7,000 posts of yours?

[martryn]

I for one would respond to save the little dignity that you still possess.

Fuck the dignity. Most of the points were simply bashing Naruto and Bleach, as if some unspoken comparison were made. I'm not gracing that with a point by point rebuttal.

Yeah, luckily that ninja obsession of yours covers that. I mean, do you actually have time to do anything between those 7,000 posts of yours?

Oh yeah, you know me, I love the ninjas, alright. Fuck them pirates, ninjas win! Thank God I have narrowly conserved my time to give me the two minutes it takes for me to get off to Sakura hentai. Those three extra posts per day I have over you must really be long and well-thought out, huh?

[Niabingi]

Woooow! I can't imagine ever loving something so much I would view it as being beyond criticism...

[Pipboy]

Oh, are we supposed to be exchanging blows? Are you kidding me? Have you seen how long your freakin' post(s) are? There is no way in hell I'm responding to all that. This is not a martryn vs. One Piece fan thread, as I've already won that battle in being the only one here not obsessed with One Piece to the point where it dominates my normal life and prevents me from getting laid. These were simple observations of the manga.

Oh, excellent. Its so much simpler for me now that you have admitted cowardice and no rebuttle. It means you now get to be my bitch express.

Not only that I find it strange that you somehow feel that this takes up a large portion of my life Especially considering your literally triple post count and tendancy to post lengthy bits of idiocy. Let me see.

It took me around 1 hour and 15 minutes to write that. Compared to the 40 hours I work a week, the 16 hours I am in class and the 16 hours I rotate a week, spending an hour to completely humilate you is small change.

PS. I don't really care about your virginity. Though I notice you do. Statistically you will have sex before 18 so its not exactly the most impressive feat to measure maturity. Hookers will sleep with you no matter what and druken prom dates high on ecstacy will sleep with a log as long as it has a penis shaped protrusion. So please continue to elaborate on your mighty sexual prowess.

PPS You seem to think that we are all idiots. Of course you are comparing OP to naruto.

[King Bookah]

The stupid is strong with this thread. Funny indeed. "Especially the whole I'm insecure with my favorite anime and sexuality" thing.

[King Bookah]

You entirely missed the purpose of my post Pip. I said I was enjoying this thread and the occasional insults u and matryn threw at each other. Again, don't turn nothing into something. I'd do u a deal of good to take your own advice.

[Broleta]

What a silly thread :P

[Limit_Tester]

Fuck the dignity. Most of the points were simply bashing Naruto and Bleach, as if some unspoken comparison were made. I'm not gracing that with a point by point rebuttal.

Yes, I suppose you don't have any dignity left. I mean, you actually posted your eHarmony profile, while at the same time making a pathetic attempt to catch Blue's attention and profess your love. And now you act like the One Piece fanbase is too busy posting to have a life? Do you know how sad that is? Now it all makes sense why you negged me for talking harshly to Blue. I didn't know you two were so close. Have you even talked to her other than on the internet?

On a point more "related" to the matter at hand, it becomes quite obvious that this is a not so subtle One Piece bashing thread, most likely in the service of Naruto. Its no coincidence that on the very same day you spent raving about "PnJ" in One Piece, you turn around and criticize those who would say that PnJ exists in Naruto. To think that we wouldn't notice is an insult to our intelligence. I mean, why do you think you are so hated by most One Piece fans?

http://forums.narutofan.com:80/showthread.php?t=179921
http://forums.narutofan.com:80/showthread.php?t=179990

P.S. I feel bad for Blue. And I have never felt bad for her before.

[King Bookah]

Looks like you've been made martyn. I'd suggest a tactical retreat, otherwise.................

[Pipboy]

You entirely missed the purpose of my post Pip. I said I was enjoying this thread and the occasional insults u and matryn threw at each other. Again, don't turn nothing into something. I'd do u a deal of good to take your own advice.

In that case you have my complete and absolute apology.

[MdB]

Talking about hypocrisy.

[Broleta]

I honest to god don't understand why people still take the time to type up a hueg post to start a thread that will obviously just turn into a flame war. Valid points or not, it's just flamebait..

[MdB]

I honest to god don't understand why people still take the time to type up a hueg post to start a thread that will obviously just turn into a flame war. Valid points or not, it's just flamebait..

He made this thread to flamebait, thats quite obvious. In fact he made this thread because the narutoverse is getting its ass kicked in the battledome and he blames it on us, the OPtards. :laugh

[Suzumebachi]

Bravo gentlemen.

Martryn has been whipped like a punk bitch yet again.

Really, martryn, you wouldnt have to make this thread if you knew simple stuff like what the name of the treasure is, what the Calm Belt is, and who Gold Fucking Roger is.



No wind? That's what's stopping them? In this crazy, fucked up world?

...oh my god.

YES.

Do you know how a ship with sails fucking works?

[Kisame]

I do admire martyn for going all this trouble to get Knk to like him though. thats pretty noteworthy. hats off 2 you.

[Suzumebachi]

This thread should be retitled "martryn tries to break down a manga he hasnt read"


Well martryn, this is a One Piece sub-forum so it's expected that there will be overanalyzation and whatnot. Just like the Naruto/Bleach sections, that's what these types of sites are for.

As for the Naruto/Bleach bashing, like people in this forum need a reason to bash them. They do it because it somehow makes them feel better about themselves and their tastes. Quite sad actually. LOL

And you're still at it I see.

[Amatsu]

Because obviously reading a manga about a kid named Naruto who's trying to become the greatest and gayest of all in a world full of homosexual wizards as well as trying to get Sasuke to give him endless anal sex is a whole lot more interesting than One Piece...

Well according to Martryn that is.:laugh

[mystictrunks]

OP is a comedy series,it's not to be taken this seriously. Geez, you don't hear people saying Bo^7 is rubbish because it makes no sense do you?

[Misa]

One piece is awesome T3T

If it isnt why there is so much fans out there?

You dont like dont watch it what's the problem?


oh and its Oda not Odo :noworry

[Ishin Shishi]

This thread should be retitled "martryn tries to break down a manga he hasnt read"
Or "martryn breaks down and barely leaves in One Piece" :P

[Razor Ramon HG]

In that case you have my complete and absolute apology.

Damn I'm curious to what that earlier post said...

[Sunuvmann]

Lots of threads want to know why. I'm tired of seeing new ones pop up. I'm here to give reasons. Why do people dislike One Piece? Should you read it? Is it for me?
BRILLIANT DEDUCTION!
One Piece is about a boy. He's an anime stereotype alright: incredibly stupid, powers gained through happenstance, a knack for drawing random people with enormous powers to him, and the willpower to do anything he sets his mind to. In our case, the boy, Luffy, eats magical fruit that takes away his ability to swim but somehow turns him into rubber at the same time. He decides, on a whim, to become a pirate, and so he does. Then he gathers a crew in search of treasure. Not just any treasure, but an unnamed treasure in an unnamed place of questionable value, the discovery of which would enable the finder to become the pirate king, whatever that is.
He wants to be like his childhood idol. I don't think that very much counts as a whim. Many of the top athletes in this world have become who they are because they wanted to be 'Like Wilt' or 'Like Mike' so in Luffy's case its to be like Shanks. As such he wishes to achieve what his idol strives for. This reflects the childhood dreams of many.

Except Luffy has the means to achieve that.
So anyway, the plot is pretty simple, but to dumb it down more, it follows a pattern. Luffy visits island. Luffy meets a potential crew member. Luffy asks potential crew member to follow him. Potential crew member refuses. Boss shows up. Luffy fights boss and narrowly wins. Potential crew member fights boss's second in command and narrowly wins. Potential crew member become crew member. Rinse and repeat. Each arc has minor variations on the theme, but don't let it fool you, it's the same thing over and over and over again.
Name me a manga that isn't formulaic.

Bleach & One Piece: A NEW ENEMY APROACHES! Naruto fights that person or some friend of Naruto's does. They get owned. NARUTO CREATES A NEW TECHNIQUE/UNLOCKS MOAR HIDDEN POWER/SOME OTHER POWER UP! Naruto comes back and kicks their ass.

The only difference with Bleach is that that person who gets owned at the beginning is usually Ichigo.

Almost all Shonen follow the same pattern. It goes with the territory.

People praise Odo's character development and creativity. I disagree. Odo has no character development, as the characters don't develop. Sure they get new abilities and what not, but for the most part Luffy acts the same now as he did back in chapter one. Not saying the characters aren't complex and believable (in that anime sense), they are, but they're all static characters.
On the Island of Snipers, I was born
100 Shots, 100 Hits
Lu lu la la lu~
On a mouse's eyeball LOCK ON
On your heart LOCK ON!
The man who came from the Island of Snipers
Lu lu, lu lu la la
You better run away
Sniper sniper sniper...
SNIIIPERRRRR KIIIINGUUUUUUUU~!

As for the creativity, One Piece really is... imaginative. But calling it creative is like calling a 4 year old's childish scribbles creative. Sure, sometimes they're cute, but for the most part you have no idea where he gets some of his ideas. One Piece leaves creative behind and instead focuses on randomness. There is no rhyme or reason for why things in One Piece happen, they just do. And for the rarity of these devil fruits that give magical powers, it's a little suspicious when all characters under the sun end up with them. Count the number of devil fruit partakers in the manga, and you'll get a number well over two dozen. Funny how Luffy keeps running into them. And the powers? From the start, boy made of rubber seems rather ridiculous. Why did it give such a power? And then we have ones that turn you into a giraffe. Or allow you to use the power of bubbles, or wax. What the fuck gives the tree the ability to make these incredibly random abilities?
....he runs into them because they have power and you'd think on a journey you'd face powerful enemies...

The devil fruit is one of the main dynamics of the series. The main idea of them is you can be able to gain from the consumption of one any power and you don't have much choice about it. What you have to do is learn how to use it for your advantage. That was a large part of CP9 and the thing with Soap and Giraffe. Oda likes being random and you really can't fault him on that. But when you have no choice over the power and its much like a game of slots whether you will get one truly awesome and the effects are irreversible it creates the dilema of if you truly want to get the power and how it may doom you.

And the story is riddled with plot holes. Luffy and his team are traveling from island to island on their quest to reach the end of grandline. Where are the people already at the end? Or near the end? Why haven't they reached it already? And why can't people come at it from another direction? And if all these super powerful forces are just sitting around near the end of Grandline, why don't they snatch up the treasure already? And because everything is pretty much one way in Grandline, how do people like Luffy's grandfather manage to travel all the way to Luffy so quickly? If Luffy could travel fast enough to get away, why can't he be a lot further down the road?
They explained that, the sides of the grand line, nests for giant monsters, is like the doldrums on this world so you can't very well sail in and out unless like the millitary, you have been able to develop the means to overcome those obstacles for strategic travel.

But really with that, you sound like someone who wants to be spoiled when without reading the story. One Piece and the end of the Grandline is intended to be a mystery and if you don't have the patience to wait for the end of the story, then I guess there's nothing can be done about that. Tough shit.

Anywho, I guess I need to make a list of One Piece flaws. Here it is, in no particular order:
1. Repetitive story. The same things happen time and time again. There is nothing that really shakes things up or spoils the routine.
Again, Shonen = repetitive. If you want something that changes it up, read more Berserk.
2. Art style is very... cartoonish. Lacks the gritty realistic feel a lot of people want in a manga.
One Piece is about fun. Not serious business. When it does get serious, the art style does get serious. One Piece is not about overcoming tragedy or revenge or something like that, no its about a fun adventure with friends. To have it any other way would just not suit the theme.
3. Unbelievable happenstance in the story. Luffy and crew gain abilities when needed, and then lose them again when they're not vital. Luck is always on their side, and they never really suffer from misfortune that sets them back. In fact, one of the characters died tragically to save the kingdom/city, detonating a bomb point blank, until we find out some 200 chapters later that he's alive and well after all.
Pell....yeah well it still makes a good running joke of no one ever dies.

But again, I challenge you to find a Shonen that lacks Deus ex machina.

4. Random plot elements. We have a cyborg wearing a speedo who is fueled by carbonated beverages. Luffy must get past the 15 foot tall killer man-eating rabbits before he can give his sick friend to the talking reindeer doctor.
NEVER DIS FRANKY! HE IS THE ULTIMATE BAD ASS. But what is the big deal about randomness? Imo that just makes the story more entertaining.

5. The fans. Never have I seen a bunch of people so deluded by this anime. Some of them make me completely sick. Talk about overestimating every characters abilities...
And a mere jounin that can take down 4 Bijuu. Really, when it comes to tards Naruto has far more deluded ones then ours. Don't make us be firing our canon.

I, personally, despite all this, love One Piece. It does have some good qualities to it. Once you get past the repetitiveness of the story and concentrate on the crew's personalities and intra-ship relations it's amazing to see. Zoro and Sanji are two of the most badass characters in any anime, and its a shame they get upstaged time and again by the stereotypical Luffy, whose actions are easy to read and predict. Robin, despite all we know of her, is still incredibly mysterious. And then there's Chopper, who is adorable one moment and scary as fuck the next. Even my least favorite character at the beginning, Usopp, is growing on me. To see a coward find his courage time and again is heart warming.

And while the story is cliche, it does have it's moments of surprise. We're beginning to see a real depth behind the scenes, and things that happened several hundred chapters ago are coming back finally to finally reveal the movers and shakers in the One Piece universe. In all this is the occasional plot twist that takes us all by surprise and makes us keep reading to see how it further develops.

The fights, while outright silly sometimes, are fast paced and imaginative. When you see Sanji kick the shit out of someone, you can't help but to clinch your fist and give a mighty "Hell's yeah, bitches!" And Zoro's mastery of the sword is getting scary good.

This isn't really supposed to be a bash One Piece thread, but it seems as if most people want to know what's so good or bad about it, and so I'm trying to take it at face value. It's definitely not for everyone, but you'll be surprised by the type of people that find themselves enjoying it.
What a twist! :omg

[mystictrunks]

In all seriousness OP isn't supposed to make sense. The second arc involved

1) A Lion tamer with a house sized lion
2) A swordsman on a unicycle
3) A clown pirate who could split his body up into multiple parts.

So from the start everyone realized Oda was bat-shit crazy(in the best way possible) and loved him for it. That why we all dig One Piece,it doesn't make that much sense and it doesn't care.

[Masaki]

And you obviously are a eunuch. Name the treasure at the end that everyone wants to get to, and name precisely where it is.


The treasure is called One Piece. If you didn't catch that much, you might as well have had your back turned while you were reading.

And I already said it was Raftel. Unless we discover a place further than Raftel later on, then Raftel it is.

Oh, and I like how you say Luffy wanted to become a pirate "at a whim" after eating the Gomu Gomu fruit. Anyone who has read chapter 1 (I assume you're a manga reader type because you're an elitist) can clearly state that Luffy looked up to Shanks.

Edit: Damn, Sunny beat me to it.

Anyway, before criticizing a manga, you should first goddamn read it. I like how you didn't even deny this.

[Silver]

You must have an incredibly boring life.

[Masaki]

Statistically you will have sex before 18 so its not exactly the most impressive feat to measure maturity.

Oh come on. Rub it in, why don't you? :scry

OP is a comedy series,it's not to be taken this seriously. Geez, you don't hear people saying Bo^7 is rubbish because it makes no sense do you?

Actually, we get that a lot here...

[NecroAngel]

Wow you managed to sum up why I hate one piece extremely well, something I've been wanting to do for quite some time but have been far to lazy to do so. However don't expect to ever convince anyone, most One Piece loyalists I've seen are far too ignorant to admit its faults, and continue to week after week claim Oda is a genius because he's so creative and amazing for making a reindeer a main character or making a main villain a joke character, blah blah.

Very nice.

[Razor Ramon HG]

You must have an incredibly boring life.

lol kinje

i remember you from the blender. I should go back there at some point...

[mystictrunks]

Wow you managed to sum up why I hate one piece extremely well, something I've been wanting to do for quite some time but have been far to lazy to do so. However don't expect to ever convince anyone, most One Piece loyalists I've seen are far too ignorant to admit its faults, and continue to week after week claim Oda is a genius because he's so creative and amazing for making a reindeer a main character or making a main villain a joke character, blah blah.

Very nice.

At the end of his post he says he enjoys OP in spite of its fault.

[Saya]

You fail it. :(

At first, I didn't even like One Piece. After watching OP for a while (a friend recommended it), I became retarded for it 8DD.

[Megaharrison]

Ah brilliant thread. The best one here ever. Glad to see someone is willing to put the effort into fighting the good fight against this severly bleh series.

That being said I don't think the series is meant to be taken as seriously as its fans around here take it.

[NecroAngel]

At the end of his post he says he enjoys OP in spite of its fault.

Indeed. But he is not one of the ignorant One Piece loyalists who don't acknowledge its faults.

[Tsuuga]

Ah brilliant thread. The best one here ever. Glad to see someone is willing to put the effort into fighting the good fight against this severly bleh series.

That being said I don't think the series is meant to be taken as seriously as its fans around here take it.

You would agree with nearly any anti-One Piece thread, so that's not really saying much.

[Ishin Shishi]

Indeed. But he is not one of the ignorant One Piece loyalists who don't acknowledge its faults.
In order to acknowledge a fault, it needs to be perceived as one. Perception is inherently subjective, not factual. Labeling people as being "ignorant" because they don't perceive things the same way you do is ludicrous. Every point made by martryn was met with worthy counter-arguments (which martryn basically treated as being invisible). In the end it all boils down to personal taste. "Ignorance" has nothing to do with it.

And it's really lame that people are coming to this thread and commending martryn because it suits their pathetic agenda oh, so well; turning a blind eye to the fact that his post was categorically defaced.

[Amatsu]

Wow you managed to sum up why I hate one piece extremely well, something I've been wanting to do for quite some time but have been far to lazy to do so. However don't expect to ever convince anyone, most One Piece loyalists I've seen are far too ignorant to admit its faults, and continue to week after week claim Oda is a genius because he's so creative and amazing for making a reindeer a main character or making a main villain a joke character, blah blah.

Very nice.

GTFO you stupid troll.

[Graham Aker]

2. Art style is very... cartoonish. Lacks the gritty realistic feel a lot of people want in a manga.
a matter of preference...I like the art, and most of the manga's I like are seinen...
4. Random plot elements. We have a cyborg wearing a speedo who is fueled by carbonated beverages. Luffy must get past the 15 foot tall killer man-eating rabbits before he can give his sick friend to the talking reindeer doctor.
you need to grow a sense of humour, or at least, move out o0f your parents basement... like I did:oh


I, personally, despite all this, love One Piece.
rrrrriiiiiiiight
yes you do "love" One Piece...
bashing = love:imslow

[CosmicDebris]

Booooring.

Seriously, what the heck, all series have flaws. Nothing is for everyone. If you have issues with a series, cool. I don't understand why some people treat it as a crime to be completely in love with One Piece, or any series for that matter. "how dare these people think One Piece is awesome! I must set them straight! With my own opinion!"

:notrust If my favorite food is grilled halibut, and I thought it was the greatest thing ever and raved about it constantly, would there be any point in telling me all the reasons why it really doesn't taste all that good in your opinion in hopes that I would say "gee, you're right, now that you explain it from your perspective...my taste buds have been lying to me all this time".

[Amatsu]

Booooring.

Seriously, what the heck, all series have flaws. Nothing is for everyone. If you have issues with a series, cool. I don't understand why some people treat it as a crime to be completely in love with One Piece, or any series for that matter. "how dare these people think One Piece is awesome! I must set them straight! With my own opinion!"

:notrust If my favorite food is grilled halibut, and I thought it was the greatest thing ever and raved about it constantly, would there be any point in telling me all the reasons why it really doesn't taste all that good in your opinion in hopes that I would say "gee, you're right, now that you explain it from your perspective...my taste buds have been lying to me all this time".

That's an understandable point you make.

If anything though I don't hate actual series. I just hate people who bash on my favorite series while trying to prove how their equally if not more so inferior manga is "TEH BEST ANY-MAY EVAR!!111"

[CosmicDebris]

Bah, who cares? Just the same, would anything you or I said change their mind about how they feel?
There are One Piece fans that do the same thing with Naruto. I really don't care to analyze either series and figure out if one kids' comic series is "superior" or "inferior" in in writing and character development. This is manga, not Shakespeare. There's a lot of similarities between both series and I can identify similar strengths and faults in storytelling and character development.
I happen to just like One Piece characters much more from the start.

I will however comment on art, though, since as an artist myself I find that a lot of people can't differentiate between disliking a style and identifying poor drawing skills.
The thread creator said that One Piece "lacks the grittiness and realistic feel a lot of people want in manga".

Well, fine. Except not everyone is looking for grittiness and realism. But the funny thing is that's mostly an American perpective, since cartoony manga is much more popular than the "gritty, realistic" ones.
I don't look for grittiness and realism, I just look for unique, imaginative drawing style that doesn't look generic and boring...which honestly a whole lot of stuff that's popular here is.

[Hype]

In all seriousness OP isn't supposed to make sense. The second arc involved

1) A Lion tamer with a house sized lion
2) A swordsman on a unicycle
3) A clown pirate who could split his body up into multiple parts.

So from the start everyone realized Oda was bat-shit crazy(in the best way possible) and loved him for it. That why we all dig One Piece,it doesn't make that much sense and it doesn't care.


I sense a gears of war player :amazed

[Broleta]

Bah, who cares? Just the same, would anything you or I said change their mind about how they feel?
There are One Piece fans that do the same thing with Naruto. I really don't care to analyze either series and figure out if one kids' comic series is "superior" or "inferior" in in writing and character development. This is manga, not Shakespeare. There's a lot of similarities between both series and I can identify similar strengths and faults in storytelling and character development.
I happen to just like One Piece characters much more from the start.

I will however comment on art, though, since as an artist myself I find that a lot of people can't differentiate between disliking a style and identifying poor drawing skills.
The thread creator said that One Piece "lacks the grittiness and realistic feel a lot of people want in manga".

Well, fine. Except not everyone is looking for grittiness and realism. But the funny thing is that's mostly an American perpective, since cartoony manga is much more popular than the "gritty, realistic" ones.
I don't look for grittiness and realism, I just look for unique, imaginative drawing style that doesn't look generic and boring...which honestly a whole lot of stuff that's popular here is.

This is a good post, especially the last bit.

[King Bookah]

Cosmic always speaks the truth. Good stuff

[LordSpark]

I couldn't agree more with this thread. It's a shame OP fans can't accept criticism of their favorite cartoon.

[Captain Pimp]

hmm, I never really thought One Piece was to be taken that seriously :headscrat

The plot is good enough for OP...the current arc may seem typical, but I'm sure that the Straw Hats stressed on saving Robin alot of times and that shows a strong bond in the crew..

[Shuntensatsu]

First off I would like to clarify that I have no favorite of the current shounen series I enjoy them all.

Anyone who says one shounen is stupid and another is good is an idiot, all the extremely long shounen animes/mangas these days are a modified DBZ clone with different twists.

Personally I think they are all excellent and a very high level of entertainment. People who try to overanalyze them and act like one is so much deeper or better than another one are out of their mind though. Having a favorite is fine, but when it blinds you and makes you think that all the other series are retarded in comparison then you have simply become a moron.

Like I said they are all the same thing it is just whether one applies to your taste or not, maybe you like Pirates, or Ninjas, Nen users, or even Shinigamis. That's fine nobody really gives a fuck what you do or don't like but trying to act like it is better than everything else simply because it is your personal preference just makes you seem ignorant.

As I said I except shounen for what it is and thoroughly enjoy them all. Those of you who have such negative attitudes towards anything that isn't your #1 should try giving other things a chance before you write them off. The only one that is losing out is you.

[Amatsu]

Isn't it funny how the haters actually stick around this part of the forum despite the fact they don't even like One Piece and then have the balls to say that One Piece Tards are the cause of everything.

Yeah when we start making tons of anti-Naruto threads or Anti-Bleach threads in the Naruto and Bleach sections maybe then you'll actually have basis for your claims. However, right now the haters are just full of crap.

Oh and I love how people like Lordspark claim that their bashing is "criticism" but when someone speaks negatively of Naruto and Bleach it's never criticism it's just plain bashing. Real nice double standard there. If anything the haters should just stop being jealous that a series they don't like for really stupid reasons is more popular than their favorite serires.

[Geg]

^This thread isn't bashing.

[Limit_Tester]

Isn't it funny how the haters actually stick around this part of the forum despite the fact they don't even like One Piece and then have the balls to say that One Piece Tards are the cause of everything.

Yeah when we start making tons of anti-Naruto threads or Anti-Bleach threads in the Naruto and Bleach sections maybe then you'll actually have basis for your claims. However, right now the haters are just full of crap.

Oh and I love how people like Lordspark claim that their bashing is "criticism" but when someone speaks negatively of Naruto and Bleach it's never criticism it's just plain bashing. Real nice double standard there. If anything the haters should just stop being jealous that a series they don't like for really stupid reasons is more popular than their favorite serires.

And when they are called on their hypocrisy they disappear. Oh speaking of which, has anyone seen Martryn recently?

[Amatsu]

^This thread isn't bashing.

I never said anything about this thread bashing anything... I was making social commentary on how it's funny that people like the topic creator and the other haters who blatantly come in this sub forum to say how much "One Piece sucks" call it criticism while any criticism on Naruto and Bleach is instantly referred to as bashing.

As I said it's an interesting double standard. They obviously can't handle people criticizing Naruto and Bleach for actual good reasons. Can't say I blame them. I mean it must be hard for them to try and think up good reasons to criticize One Piece... It must suck how they constantly fail though when trying to find said reasons so they try to make up for it by criticizing One Piece for really stupid reasons. Makes themselves feel better and what not.

[LordSpark]

Oh and I love how people like Lordspark claim that their bashing is "criticism" but when someone speaks negatively of Naruto and Bleach it's never criticism it's just plain bashing. Real nice double standard there. If anything the haters should just stop being jealous that a series they don't like for really stupid reasons is more popular than their favorite serires.

I would respond to your babbling here but I'm afraid you wouldn't understand all of the big and complicated words I might use. Like cat and ball.

[Amatsu]

I would respond to your babbling here but I'm afraid you wouldn't understand all of the big and complicated words I might use. Like cat and ball.

Instulting my intelligence? Seriously is that the best you've got? I'm not surprised, however, I'm a bit disappointed... I guess I expected more of a fight, but I suppose I expected too much from you.

[Limit_Tester]

I would respond to your babbling here but I'm afraid you wouldn't understand all of the big and complicated words I might use. Like cat and ball.

Usually its better to insult someone's intelligence when they actually display some form of stupidity. Perhaps grammatical errors or a lack of vocabulary. Oh, and you also got to throw in some big words of your own. At least, thats what I do when pontificating.

[Amatsu]

Meh... Insulting the intelligence of a person seems to be the only attack they know Limit Tester. After all they're not clever enough to come up with real insults.

[Xell]

I couldn't agree more with this thread. It's a shame OP fans can't accept criticism of their favorite cartoon.

It's also a shame that haters come into our section and start bashing our 'favorite cartoon'. I don't see why you guys need to come into this section and actually start giving reasons for hating One Piece, even if it is constructive. It's not like we go into Konoha TV or Society TV and start pointing out all the things we dislike about Naruto or Bleach.

[Suzumebachi]

LordSpark? Confuse us with big words?

Thats the most ridiculous claim in this thread since...the claim that martryn had good points.

[Toffeeman]

This entire thread is full of hate and phail.

Will the haters please just fuck off and die now? kthx

[Tsuuga]

I would respond to your babbling here but I'm afraid you wouldn't understand all of the big and complicated words I might use. Like cat and ball.

What, did you find another witticism to steal from Seanbaby?

[~Shin~]

I wonder how much negs you got for this thread martyn?

But anyway, this thread is unnecessary. Why in the hell would you come to the One Piece section and say One Piece sucks? If that's how you feel about OP, then that's good but you don't have to share it with everyone.

I don't see what's so bad about One Piece? Sure, it's not a more adult-themed manga but it has a sense of adventure to it that other mangas lack. No manga is perfect, so stop degrading a manga cuz it isn't

[Suzumebachi]

Why in the hell would you come to the One Piece section and say One Piece sucks?

http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=7136928&postcount=54

[Limit_Tester]

I wonder how much negs you got for this thread martyn?

But anyway, this thread is unnecessary. Why in the hell would you come to the One Piece section and say One Piece sucks? If that's how you feel about OP, then that's good but you don't have to share it with everyone.

I don't see what's so bad about One Piece? Sure, it's not a more adult-themed manga but it has a sense of adventure to it that other mangas lack. No manga is perfect, so stop degrading a manga cuz it isn't

Why neg someone when you can bring up their humiliating past? Or reveal the hypocritical loser to the world for the Naruto fanboy/One Piece hater that he truly is?

[Masaki]

Now, let's just say you posted a thread like this in the Library regarding Naruto.

There would be quite a bit of agreement.

[Limit_Tester]

Now, let's just say you posted a thread like this in the Library regarding Naruto.

There would be quite a bit of agreement.

Theres alot of agreement here. People who hate One Piece like to hang out in this forum so they can suck on the tit of the first person to bash it.

[~Shin~]

^Not exactly true. There's just as many people who like Naruto and OP in this forums. If you looked at the Naruto vs. Bleach vs. One Piece, you can see OP was fairly close to Naruto in terms of popularity.

[Amatsu]

Theres alot of agreement here. People who hate One Piece like to hang out in this forum so they can suck on the tit of the first person to bash it.

No wonder most of the haters stick around here... I mean from what I saw the haters just seemed to be sucking up to martryn. Apparently that's the only thing they can do.

[Tsuuga]

Have you ever stepped on a nail during a seminar about trends in hydraulic pump insurance? If so, then keep doing it. It's more fun than watching One Piece.
This sig-quote brought to you partially by Seanbaby. Because as we all know, it's wrong not to point out credit for every thing that's not originally your saying. What kind of sick individual would put a interesting quote in their sig on a forum post without credit anyway. Freaks! I hope they die!
Thanks Sherlock! (AKA Tsuuga)

So you mean I can't expect you to come up with your own insults?

It wasn't in your sig because it was an "interesting quote." It's laughable that you think you can get away with that excuse. You altered it to make it a slam at One Piece, and trumpeted those words every time you posted as if they were your own. I'm surprised that you made the lack of citation the focal point of your rebuttal. You clearly stole somebody else's insult, so I called you on it.

[Limit_Tester]

Now, let's just say you posted a thread like this in the Library regarding Naruto.

There would be quite a bit of agreement.

^Not exactly true. There's just as many people who like Naruto and OP in this forums. If you looked at the Naruto vs. Bleach vs. One Piece, you can see OP was fairly close to Naruto in terms of popularity.

Yes, but if you hate One Piece why would you be the One Piece section of this forum? This section is designed for those who like and want to discuss One Piece.

[~Shin~]

Yes, but if you hate One Piece why would you be the One Piece section of this forum? This section is designed for those who like and want to discuss One Piece.

Only god knows what the human brain's capable of.

[Amatsu]

or lack of a brain if you want to be technical... Cause I doubt they're really thinking when they post their crap in here.

[Limit_Tester]

Only god knows what the human brain's capable of.

Well the point is they only come in here to hate on the series. Unless they are really just that bored. Or trying to win the e-love of Blue (read Martryn).

[Amatsu]

Yeah I mean you don't see any of us going into the Naruto sections and claiming why Naruto sucks at being a harem manga as it's obviously not trying to be a shounen.

I mean when pairing discussions are the most popular topic's in the fandom it's obvious that it's not even going for shounen but more for the harem aspect and in that regard even Tenchi Muyo pulls off being a harem series masquarading as a shounen better than Naruto does.

[Supa Swag]

My god, I have to rep so many people. I dont even know which Pipboy post to even rep!



This thread should be retitled "martryn tries to break down a manga he hasnt read"


It should be called "matryn gets anally humilated"

Ah brilliant thread. The best one here ever. Glad to see someone is willing to put the effort into fighting the good fight against this severly bleh series.


Isnt this the same guy thats always bitching about people complaining about Naruto?

[Mat®icha]

martryn - u know u r an asshole, but i totally agree with u in this. also u forgot to mention, the story development is very slow. it takes years to come to the end of something.

[Suzumebachi]

martryn - u know u r an asshole, but i totally agree with u in this. also u forgot to mention, the story development is very slow. it takes years to come to the end of something.

You read more than the first post, right? Because all his bullshit points were countered.

[Amatsu]

You read more than the first post, right? Because all his bullshit points were countered.

of course he didn't. They wouldn't want to ruin the orgasms they had reading Martryn's post.

[Zephos]

Lots of threads want to know why. I'm tired of seeing new ones pop up. I'm here to give reasons. Why do people dislike One Piece? Should you read it? Is it for me?

Lots of threads ask you for your input?
Your shitting me.

So anyway, the plot is pretty simple, but to dumb it down more, it follows a pattern. Luffy visits island. Luffy meets a potential crew member. Luffy asks potential crew member to follow him. Potential crew member refuses. Boss shows up. Luffy fights boss and narrowly wins. Potential crew member fights boss's second in command and narrowly wins. Potential crew member become crew member. Rinse and repeat. Each arc has minor variations on the theme, but don't let it fool you, it's the same thing over and over and over again.

The same can be said for the first two Godfathers really.
Dude in charge of family. Deals with third party go awry, big disenfranchising event, figuring out of people against family, big multi tasking hit spree at end.

Details matter.

People praise Odo's character development and creativity. I disagree. Odo has no character development, as the characters don't develop. Sure they get new abilities and what not, but for the most part Luffy acts the same now as he did back in chapter one. Not saying the characters aren't complex and believable (in that anime sense), they are, but they're all static characters.

Who the hell is Odo?

As for the creativity, One Piece really is... imaginative. But calling it creative is like calling a 4 year old's childish scribbles creative. Sure, sometimes they're cute, but for the most part you have no idea where he gets some of his ideas.

I think thats the sloppiest metaphor Iv'e ever heard. It dosen't even make a point.

One Piece leaves creative behind and instead focuses on randomness. There is no rhyme or reason for why things in One Piece happen, they just do.

That'll require some examples.

And for the rarity of these devil fruits that give magical powers, it's a little suspicious when all characters under the sun end up with them.

In the area of the sea where powerful people gather only.
Makes sense.

Count the number of devil fruit partakers in the manga, and you'll get a number well over two dozen. Funny how Luffy keeps running into them.

As I just said, no, no its not.

And the powers? From the start, boy made of rubber seems rather ridiculous. Why did it give such a power?

Because its a rubber power giving fruit.
Dumb question.

And then we have ones that turn you into a giraffe. Or allow you to use the power of bubbles, or wax. What the fuck gives the tree the ability to make these incredibly random abilities?

Magic. Devilry. Again, your not really making a point.

And the story is riddled with plot holes. Luffy and his team are traveling from island to island on their quest to reach the end of grandline. Where are the people already at the end?

I can already tell you don't know what a plot-hole is..
Answer: Not at the end?

Or near the end?

Shanks, Whitebeard, and two other dudes. Pay attention.
Nor is this plothole related.

Why haven't they reached it already?

Because the Grand Line is a death zone. This is nailed into the readers head early on. By Coby, Gaimon, the entirity of Book 6, Yosaku, The mermen, sheesh.

And why can't people come at it from another direction?

Also explained in full several times in the series.
This critique sucks.

And if all these super powerful forces are just sitting around near the end of Grandline, why don't they snatch up the treasure already?

They aren't. What are you talking about?

And because everything is pretty much one way in Grandline, how do people like Luffy's grandfather manage to travel all the way to Luffy so quickly?

Also explained. Jesus this critique sucks.

If Luffy could travel fast enough to get away, why can't he be a lot further down the road?

What?

2. Art style is very... cartoonish. Lacks the gritty realistic feel a lot of people want in a manga.

Bullshit. Prove thats what people want. Your talking about teh most popular manga in Japan here.

3. Unbelievable happenstance in the story. Luffy and crew gain abilities when needed, and then lose them again when they're not vital.

Examples please?

Luck is always on their side, and they never really suffer from misfortune that sets them back.

Nothing like multiple crew leavings, boat death, getting lost.
None of this ever happens.

In fact, one of the characters died tragically to save the kingdom/city, detonating a bomb point blank, until we find out some 200 chapters later that he's alive and well after all.

More like 10 chapters later. though I agree with this point, it also showcases how little you pay attention.

4. Random plot elements. We have a cyborg wearing a speedo who is fueled by carbonated beverages.

How is that a flaw?

Luffy must get past the 15 foot tall killer man-eating rabbits before he can give his sick friend to the talking reindeer doctor.

Getting past wild animals in the wilderness is random? No?

5. The fans. Never have I seen a bunch of people so deluded by this anime. Some of them make me completely sick. Talk about overestimating every characters abilities...

Which is completely irrelevant to the series itself. NO series would be liked than.

I, personally, despite all this, love One Piece. It does have some good qualities to it. Once you get past the repetitiveness of the story and concentrate on the crew's personalities and intra-ship relations it's amazing to see. Zoro and Sanji are two of the most badass characters in any anime, and its a shame they get upstaged time and again by the stereotypical Luffy,

Stoic badasses and lovelorn skirt chasers are completely original of course.


Well overall that was a really lousy job.
Someone else should have done this, if anyone.

[HugeGuy]

Shit. Naruto and Bleach are in this again. Let's bring in HxH while we're at it.

As for why the 4 emperors especially Whitebeard haven't found One Piece when they're so near the end of Grand Line actually raises quite an interesting point(the most interesting of all the points brought up).

I hope that when the time comes for the Strawhats to set sail for Raftel, there will be some sort of obstacles so hard that only Luffy can overcome or maybe even a twist that One Piece isn't a treasure nor is it on Raftel will do just fine. Otherwise it just doesn't make sense for the pirates that control the New World to just sit there doing nothing all these years.

[Zephos]

As for why the 4 emperors especially Whitebeard haven't found One Piece when they're so near the end of Grand Line actually raises quite an interesting point(the most interesting of all the points brought up).


Its an interesting question, but its not a plot-hole.

I hope that when the time comes for the Strawhats to set sail for Raftel, there will be some sort of obstacles so hard that only Luffy can overcome or maybe even a twist that One Piece isn't a treasure nor is it on Raftel will do just fine. Otherwise it just doesn't make sense for the pirates that control the New World to just sit there doing nothing all these years.

http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=7268

[HugeGuy]

Its an interesting question, but its not a plot-hole.
Never did I claim it is a plot hole. Actually, we won't know for sure until the Strawhats start sailing for Raftel.

http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=7268
Very good read. Gonna rep you for this.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I think there's a pretty obvious reason none of them have reached the end.

It's called a system of checks and balances. If one of the 4 Emperors suddenly makes a push for the end, the other 3 will all react and try to stop them.

[Masaki]

Shit. Naruto and Bleach are in this again. Let's bring in HxH while we're at it.

Naruto and Bleach have their own subforums, so they're very popular on these forums. People bring them into the conversation because if you're on this forum, there's a good chance you like at least one of the two, and/or One Piece.

As for why the 4 emperors especially Whitebeard haven't found One Piece when they're so near the end of Grand Line actually raises quite an interesting point(the most interesting of all the points brought up).


I believe Shanks says he wants Luffy to get it, which would further develop on Luffy's dad being a revolutionary and the theory that One Piece will reveal the evils of the government.

[HugeGuy]

Naruto and Bleach have their own subforums, so they're very popular on these forums. People bring them into the conversation because if you're on this forum, there's a good chance you like at least one of the two, and/or One Piece.
Well, it's all fine and dandy until people starts bringing in similiar problems from other series as a counter argument for some of the flaws in OP. That's lousy argument.

I believe Shanks says he wants Luffy to get it, which would further develop on Luffy's dad being a revolutionary and the theory that One Piece will reveal the evils of the government.
Even if Shanks wants Luffy to get it, what's that got to do with Whitebeard? I mean he's being called "the one closest to One Piece" and 20 years after Gold Roger died, none has made any progression at all. Believe me(and I'm certain you're aware of this as well), Luffy won't take 20 years to find it.

Super obstacles or twists FTW!!

[Deputy Myself]

this thread is fucking fail

Martryn made some good points, and people start bitching over his post as if it was made by a rabid or something, which ultimately proves his 5th point.

Anyway I read through this entire thing, and some OPtards disgusted me with their lack of common sense (mostly Pipboy & Limit_Tester) who found it nessecary to start flaming Martryn over.. pretty much nothing.
I mean come on! I don't like the guy, but to (try and) diss him personally wasn't relevant to this thread. And if that wasn't bad enough you continued doing it for 2-3 pages untill Martryn wisely decided not to bother with you idiots any longer, after which you spammed full an entire page marking your superiourity.
Good job, I would have sent you all negreps if I hadn't burned up my reppower for today.

MVP of this thread is Sunuvman, for being one of the only members to take his time, review the opening post, and counter the arguements in a decent and intellegent manner.

[Masaki]

this thread is fucking fail

I agree.

Martryn made some good points, and people start bitching over his post as if it was made by a rabid or something, which ultimately proves his 5th point.

In addition to making no good points, all of which have been disproven rather easily, he completely messed up even the most basic details of One Piece, such as why Luffy wanted to become a pirate.

Note that to this day, the only one to ever make points against One Piece that were true was Ronin, and he messed up a rather large detail as well.

Anyway I read through this entire thing, and some OPtards disgusted me with their lack of common sense (mostly Pipboy & Limit_Tester) who found it nessecary to start flaming Martryn over.. pretty much nothing.
I mean come on! I don't like the guy, but to (try and) diss him personally wasn't relevant to this thread. And if that wasn't bad enough you continued doing it for 2-3 pages untill Martryn wisely decided not to bother with you idiots any longer, after which you spammed full an entire page marking your superiourity.

His posts weren't all too kind either. If I recall, didn't he say something to the effect of "it won't get you laid" (note my memory's a bit fuzzy, so could someone who went through it tell me exactly what happened)?

Good job, I would have sent you all negreps if I hadn't burned up my reppower for today.

Good job, you just lowered yourself far below us.

MVP of this thread is Sunuvman, for being one of the only members to take his time, review the opening post, and counter the arguements in a decent and intellegent manner.

Plenty of others did this as well. Personally, I just pointed out details that scream "you didn't read a single chapter if you're saying this".

[~Shin~]

His posts weren't all too kind either. If I recall, didn't he say something to the effect of "it won't get you laid" (note my memory's a bit fuzzy, so could someone who went through it tell me exactly what happened)?

He was nowhere near as bad as Pipboy was. Pipboy's posts are just pure win with extreme elitism. He was only responding to what the others were saying to him. It was extremely immature for these other people to bash at him even when he stated that he wasn't trying to bash OP. Of course, it's also his fault for posting this in the OP sub-forum, but it was still his opinion nonetheless.

[Deputy Myself]

I agree.

lol, atleast thats something

In addition to making no good points, all of which have been disproven rather easily, he completely messed up even the most basic details of One Piece, such as why Luffy wanted to become a pirate.

well he had a few good points at least, I won't say he didn't screw up, because he did horribly, but people should've just dismissed that since they're easily countered. And point still stands that there were no reasons for the mass hating.

Note that to this day, the only one to ever make points against One Piece that were true was Ronin, and he messed up a rather large detail as well.

If I recall correctly, Martryn was just posting reasons why one would potentially not like onepiece, and then later said that the series is so win that they don't really matter much, doesn't sound much like he's trying to hate on OP

His posts weren't all too kind either. If I recall, didn't he say something to the effect of "it won't get you laid" (note my memory's a bit fuzzy, so could someone who went through it tell me exactly what happened)?

I thought that was just a response to pipboy or someone who was bragging about him wasting time writing a hate thread (which it actually wasn't) and proceeded wasting over a full hour to make 3 long replies, however I can't recall all the details

Good job, you just lowered yourself far below us.

thanks for sharing your opinion on that.

Plenty of others did this as well. Personally, I just pointed out details that scream "you didn't read a single chapter if you're saying this".

meh, for every good post there were 10 that did nothing more than claim Martryn a Narutard, Sunuvman's was the best IMO

[Deblas]

Of course, it's also his fault for posting this in the OP sub-forum, but it was still his opinion nonetheless.

An opinion doesn't make it a untouchable force that no one can dare to counter it. Especially when many of the points are incorrect.

If someone where to bash something I enjoy in such a way, I wouldn't just sit here and let it be by just thinking "Ohh, its his opinion so its alright for him to say how much he thinks it sucks."

I'm seriously getting tired of the "opinion" defense. It has become a trend now where you just say why you hate something even though its reasoning is incorrect, slap on a "Its my opinion" at the beggining or the end, and the other one is not supposed to argue with him because of it.

You seriously have to be kidding me if that guy wrote that in the One Piece forum expecting people to kindly accept it. I also find it odd that he claims he loves One Piece yet he bashes every corner of it.

[Deputy Myself]

An opinion doesn't make it a untouchable force that no one can dare to counter it. Especially when many of the points are incorrect.

Point is, the post was easily countered, and the thread should have died a lonely death after 5 replies. But people started accusing him of things he didn't say and started flaming him. Thats what made everything ugly.

[~Shin~]

An opinion doesn't make it a untouchable force that no one can dare to counter it. Especially when many of the points are incorrect.

If someone where to bash something I enjoy in such a way, I wouldn't just sit here and let it be by just thinking "Ohh, its his opinion so its alright for him to say how much he thinks it sucks."

I'm seriously getting tired of the "opinion" defense. It has become a trend now where you just say why you hate something even though its reasoning is incorrect, slap on a "Its my opinion" at the beggining or the end, and the other one is not supposed to argue with him because of it.

You seriously have to be kidding me if that guy wrote that in the One Piece forum expecting people to kindly accept it.

There's a better way to express one's opinion than flaming and insulting. Learn what an opinion is, it's what one thinks about something or someone. It's an opinion, you can accept it or reject it if you please. There's nothing wrong with the opinion defense. When it's an opinion there's no wrong or right reasoning. If you don't like you don't like it. It's as simple as that. Some people might just look at a manga and feel as if it sucks, it's their opinion and they're entitled to it. It's not like they're coming up to you and saying "you shouldn't read OP, it sucks".

As for him posting this in the OP sub-section, that's his fault

[Masaki]

lol, atleast thats something

For different reasons, I'd bet.

well he had a few good points at least, I won't say he didn't screw up, because he did horribly, but people should've just dismissed that since they're easily countered. And point still stands that there were no reasons for the mass hating.

If he makes a thread, we respond. What kind of responses was he expecting to get when he made this thread?

If I recall correctly, Martryn was just posting reasons why one would potentially not like onepiece, and then later said that the series is so win that they don't really matter much, doesn't sound much like he's trying to hate on OP

Again, only Ronin managed to make any remotely good reasons for this.

An opinion doesn't make it a untouchable force that no one can dare to counter it. Especially when many of the points are incorrect.

If someone where to bash something I enjoy in such a way, I wouldn't just sit here and let it be by just thinking "Ohh, its his opinion so its alright for him to say how much he thinks it sucks."

I'm seriously getting tired of the "opinion" defense. It has become a trend now where you just say why you hate something even though its reasoning is incorrect, slap on a "Its my opinion" at the beggining or the end, and the other one is not supposed to argue with him because of it.

You seriously have to be kidding me if that guy wrote that in the One Piece forum expecting people to kindly accept it. I also find it odd that he claims he loves One Piece yet he bashes every corner of it.

Though I don't agree with 100% of this post, I will say that if someone says "IMO, all children these days should be locked up until they're adults because they're all brats who should be beaten if they step out of line", it doesn't mean that they can just get away with it. Now, I know my example is far worse than what has been going on in this thread, but it just proves that "opinions" can't be argued against.

[Deblas]

Learn what an opinion is, it's what one thinks about something or someone.

Thanks for making that clear. I did not know that.

It's an opinion, you can accept it or reject it if you please. There's nothing wrong with the opinion defense. When it's an opinion there's no wrong or right reasoning. If you don't like you don't like it. It's as simple as that. Some people might just look at a manga and feel as if it sucks, it's their opinion and they're entitled to it.

I'm aware of personal taste. My only real beef with it is when people just say "hey, its my opinion" so they don't have to back up their claims (or can't) in a debate or argument especially when the statements they made are false or are easily countered. What I saw in martryn's post was a bunch of incorrect claims which was almost insulting in a way and in turn upset the OP fans.

It's not like they're coming up to you and saying "you shouldn't read OP, it sucks".

Funny cause yes, they are.

[Deputy Myself]

If he makes a thread, we respond. What kind of responses was he expecting to get when he made this thread?

responses like yours and Sunuvmans and perhaps some others who were rational and countered the many flaws in his post

not the 7 pages of mass flaming and trolling brought down on him by some fanboys

[Masaki]

responses like yours and Sunuvmans and perhaps some others who were rational and countered the many flaws in his post

not the 7 pages of mass flaming and trolling brought down on him by some fanboys

First of all, in a forum like this, with people who make some pretty dumb, elitist, or redundant posts, making a thread with those kinds of expectations is next to impossible.

Second, what kind of responses do you think he was expecting when he came in here, asking why no one in this section calls PnJ when people in the Library do it all the time.

[CosmicDebris]

I'm personally really tired of these types of threads.
This is the gist of it:

"One Piece isn't so good for x and y reasons in my opinion".
"You're an idiot for x and y reasons"
"This is a counter to your arguments!"
"It's my opinion!"
"lolz get out u haters"
"One Piece fans can't handle criticism!"
"I'm tired of people being an ass about expressing opinions!"

The biggest problems that I see is that people give opinions as if they're facts when they're either just a personal taste issue or else something that is simply a lack of information, and then when someone gives a real answer there's a big string of "One Piece fans can't handle criticism!" when the fact of the matter is that they were baseless criticisms in the first place. I acknowledge real criticisms, not someone's personal bias which I couldn't care less about.

It's true that there are One Piece fans who can't handle criticism, but why make a blanket statement like that, would you tell me with a straight face that there are no people who hate to take Naruto criticism? If so, pardon me while I laugh.

The other problem is that some people are way too sensitve and have too much of an "us against them" attitude. Does it really make you so angry to read other people's opinions? And these are the people that are giving that "One Piece fans can't take criticism" impression. Stop constantly making everything into "One Piece v. Naruto".

And the last thing is some people are just assholes. You might think you're badass for throwing in personal insults to counter someone's posts and try to make them look dumb but in reality you just look like an insecure prick.

[CosmicDebris]

Gah, double-post because the server hiccuped.

[Amatsu]

Naruto and Bleach have their own subforums, so they're very popular on these forums. People bring them into the conversation because if you're on this forum, there's a good chance you like at least one of the two, and/or One Piece.


Pretty much. I mean even without the Bleach sub forum Naruto would have been brought up instantly since this is a Naruto forum with many of the more extreme elitist fans while more of the One Piece elitists are over on Arlong Park.

However, since Bleach is also hugely popular by many of the people on NF it's obvious why people would bring up Bleach as well. It's because most people who hate on One Piece consider Naruto and Bleach to be great works of fiction while they go and slam One Piece for every reason they can think of despite not reading it or watching it.

If anything Martryn got what was coming to him. He basically set himself up for a major pwnfest when he decided to make a thread purely bashing One Piece claiming his points to be factual but then slapping the opinion sticker on them at the last moment as if that gave him protection from being mauled.

Also as I said before it's not like many of the people in the One Piece section took him seriously. After all we have people like Deputy Myself coming in here and saying that we should have been nicer and taken his falsely claimed opinions more seriously. Why should we though? It's obviuos he made this thread to slam on One Piece and it's fans. Should everyone honestly make it a point to take a flamer's words seriously?

Now this is how I feel but to me a flamer's words have no meaning. They're not to be taken seriously because they're not actual opinions. It's just general hate they're expressing and the things they believe to be factual are only factual in their mind because they would rather bash something because they don't think it's cool or because it's not the next big fad instead of giving it a proper chance. In that sense it makes them feel better about themselves by relieving the insecurity that they too are watching a friggin' children's cartoon and not something adult or mature like they seem to believe.

and well if anything there's no point in debating with a flamer because it's obvious that their views are baseless so there's no real point in fighting with them Ah well though I'm just ranting so what I'm saying probably doesn't matter or anything.

[Gunners]

Sigh, a good thread. This was a pretty good thread then the regulars who have no life outside of one piece came in and turned it into something personal. If he made a thread going on and on about how good OP was you wouldn't have a problem so why are you so mad about someone giving a negative opinion? It wasn't even completly negative.

The only way I could understand this level of vexation would be one piece being your life, if that is so it is rather pathetic too be honest.

Except the fact that some people don't find One piece as great and wonderful as you do. Once you understand that you will go a long way.

[Amatsu]

Sigh, a good thread. This was a pretty good thread then the regulars who have no life outside of one piece came in and turned it into something personal. If he made a thread going on and on about how good OP was you wouldn't have a problem so why are you so mad about someone giving a negative opinion? It wasn't even completly negative.

The only way I could understand this level of vexation would be one piece being your life, if that is so it is rather pathetic too be honest.

Except the fact that some people don't find One piece as great and wonderful as you do. Once you understand that you will go a long way.

I don't remember anyone in this thread stating that One Piece was their life nor do they think it's the greatest of all fiction. Seriously why people say this I'll never know.

[Zephos]

Sigh, a good thread. This was a pretty good thread then the regulars who have no life outside of one piece came in and turned it into something personal. If he made a thread going on and on about how good OP was you wouldn't have a problem so why are you so mad about someone giving a negative opinion? It wasn't even completly negative.

He made a horrible thread.
For one thing....the concept.
"Alot of people have this question, so oF COURSE THEY WANT TO HEAR WHAT I THINK." is stupid.
Secondly, he brought up inumerable poor points.
Why wouldn't people take it down?

The only way I could understand this level of vexation would be one piece being your life, if that is so it is rather pathetic too be honest.

Yet theres nothing ususpect about your vexation about the vexation.
So either you concede this or your shooting yourself in the foot.

Except the fact that some people don't find One piece as great and wonderful as you do. Once you understand that you will go a long way.

1. When thier points are stupid than its only natural to point that out.
I mean jesus, "he has rubber powers, why would a fruit have that effect?.
2. Its posted on this forum as a thread. Its not a quiet little opinion post in a thread asking for opinions, its a big "HERES MY BELEIF BITCHES".

[Gunners]

I don't remember anyone in this thread stating that One Piece was their life nor do they think it's the greatest of all fiction. Seriously why people say this I'll never know.

I'm not gettin your words too tough now probably the rum. Anyway did I say people said ''OP was their life'' show some sense. I said the way people are getting pissed about this it's as though One piece is their life. If by chance I didn't say that, it is what I am saying now.

He made a horrible thread.
For one thing....the concept.
"Alot of people have this question, so oF COURSE THEY WANT TO HEAR WHAT I THINK." is stupid.
Secondly, he brought up inumerable poor points.
Why wouldn't people take it down?

Fair enough you strip it down and correct certain points, nothing wrong with that. It's the personal assaults by certain individuals here that isn't needed it is rather pathetic.

Yet theres nothing ususpect about your vexation about the vexation.
So either you concede this or your shooting yourself in the foot.

I hold no shame in getting vex over the nature of man. Further more in my post I don't beleive I am showing the level of vexation certain members have displayed in here. So your attempt at showing the contradiction in my post failed.

1. When thier points are stupid than its only natural to point that out.
I mean jesus, "he has rubber powers, why would a fruit have that effect?.
Yeah you point out flaws you don't get personal.

2. Its posted on this forum as a thread. Its not a quiet little opinion post in a thread asking for opinions, its a big "HERES MY BELEIF BITCHES".
Funny I didn't see ''Here is my beleif bitches''. If I remember correctly he made reference to what many people asked things along those lines anyway made the thread. Point is if you disagree with it, say why you think it is wrong by all means. Don't start cursing and flaming.

[Amatsu]

I'm not gettin your words too tough now probably the rum. Anyway did I say people said ''OP was their life'' show some sense. I said the way people are getting pissed about this it's as though One piece is their life. If by chance I didn't say that, it is what I am saying now.





It came off that way I admit. If I took it the wrorng way I apologize but it seems that the haters always say crap like "One Piece fans only like One Piece" or that "They revolve their lives around One Piece" yet ignore that while One Piece is a favorite we do like more than just One Piece.

Plus the people who are here to diss One Piece yet think Naruto IS better as well as saying stuff like "One Piece fans are obsessed with One Piece to the point that it controls every possible second of their life" are one's to talk. I remember reading in one of the threads in Konoha TV about people having orgasms when Sasuke appeared in Shippuden. I haven't really seen One Piece fans orgasming over anything and it's obviously not because of the art style...

[Kai]

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[TJB]

Whats with all the One Piece hate recently?!

Though I commend Martryn for his subtle attempt to bash it.

[ninamori]

aw everybody be hatin' on marty because he pointed out some of One Piece's most obvious flaws.

don't worry marty, monny still hearts you moar than everybody in this dumbutt thread. >[

(note: i don't read one piece. so don't... geek-attack me plz.)

[Limit_Tester]

(note: i don't read one piece. so don't... geek-attack me plz.)

And you are here why again? Last time I checked, this part of the forum was called "One Piece." Oh right, you are one of Martryn's butt buddies. So please give him a reach around in the Naruto section and stop lowering the intelligence levels in our section.

[ninamori]

And you are here why again? Last time I checked, this part of the forum was called "One Piece." Oh right, you are one of Martryn's butt buddies. So please give him a reach around in the Naruto section and stop lowering the intelligence levels in our section.
a-hmmmm because i def. watch naruto. :]

and "your section"? XD

[Masaki]

Now, now, let's not hate on Monny.

Apparently, she's of a semi-neutral party.

[Pipboy]

responses like yours and Sunuvmans and perhaps some others who were rational and countered the many flaws in his post

not the 7 pages of mass flaming and trolling brought down on him by some fanboys

Oh woe is me, I guess posts with more than 7000 words in them must be invisible. Because of course only one person who actually took the time to respond to each and ever single failed and ill concieved gripe.

The actualy reality is just the fact that Martryn is as we speak posting about how he "won" because he "roused a beehive" and then "left" of couse he omits all humilation. The facts of the matter speak for themselves. He posted to "rouse the beehive" then the bees beat him with sticks and they had fun doing it.

It truely amazing that you would say something to the effect of "this thread should have died at post 5" then go and post the same snide crap that extends it. That makes you a hy-po-crite. I know where my leanings lie, I know what I like and I like defending it. I repeat I enjoy shaming/humiliating /hurting/fencing/fighting with people especially those that have substandard mental capacity. Forums are a great place because I can set a man on fire and don't go to jail.

[Zephos]

aw everybody be hatin' on marty because he pointed out some of One Piece's most obvious flaws.

don't worry marty, monny still hearts you moar than everybody in this dumbutt thread. >[

(note: i don't read one piece. so don't... geek-attack me plz.)

Everyone's picking on Marty because he can't form an arguement.
One Piece's most obvious flaws are apparently shonen structure cliches that everyone knows about without needing it be told and plot holes that are in no way shape or form plot holes, and of course the rubber power giving fruit gave the main character the power of rubber. whats up with that?

[Hokage Naruto]

One Piece's most obvious flaws are apparently shonen structure cliches that everyone knows about without needing it be told and plot holes that are in no way shape or form plot holes, and of course the rubber power giving fruit gave the main character the power of rubber. whats up with that?

And Naruto getting the Kyuubi, Ichigo getting spiritual power to become a shinigami, and Goku randomly finding out he is a saiyan. All Shonen series suffer from these type of flaws. That was probably the point you were trying to make. >.<

[Bass]

Wow....One Piece is serious business. Point out one flaw and you'll get torn apart. :oh

[Limit_Tester]

Wow....One Piece is serious business. Write up a large multi-paragraph post in order to incite the One Piece fanbase and you'll get torn apart. :oh

That seems more accurate.

[CosmicDebris]

"Wow, internet forums are serious business. Post a long thread criticising the subject of the forum and people actually respond. Who could have imagined it."

[Amatsu]

I agree with you CD... Meh if only this section was like the bath house and hidden from the entirety of the forum except for those who would want to be a part of it.

[Bass]

That seems more accurate.

"Write up a large multi-paragraph post in order to incite the One Piece fanbase"

Incite the fanbase? All he did was give his opinion about the series as a fan who loves it.

[Amatsu]

"Write up a large multi-paragraph post in order to incite the One Piece fanbase"

Incite the fanbase? All he did was give his opinion about the series as a fan who loves it.

A fan who likes it huh? Well how about I go to Naruto avenue and express my "opinion" about the series? After all I'm a "fan who likes it!"

[LordSpark]

A fan who likes it huh? Well how about I go to Naruto avenue and express my "opinion" about the series? After all I'm a "fan who likes it!"
Is someone stopping you?

[Amatsu]

Is someone stopping you?

Not really... but I guess that's what separates me from you.

[Deblas]

"Write up a large multi-paragraph post in order to incite the One Piece fanbase"

Incite the fanbase? All he did was give his opinion about the series as a fan who loves it.

I still have trouble believing this guy's claim that he likes One Piece. It's good to accept the faults of a show they like, but Matryn just downright criticized every aspect of One Piece. And incorrectly at that.

I also don't see the point in coming here and making a thread just to say you don't like it. Guess what? we don't give two shits. If you don't like it, fine. But don't create a thread about it in the section dedicated to it. It doesn't take an idiot to know how things will turn out.

guy: I hate One Piece, I think I'll go over to the One Piece section and make a whole thread saying why I hate it.

What kind of bull logic is that? I might as well go to a gay community and start babbling how much I hate them and think its wrong (I don't btw, its just an example). Of course, they can't do anything to me because it is my opinion, tehee.

[LordSpark]

Not really... but I guess that's what separates me from you.
Oh, and what thread have I created in OP section bashing OP? I dare you to find one.

The differance between me and you is that I have the balls to come into the OP section and criticize it. You come here to the OP section and criticize other stories because in this section your certain to have more people agree with you.

And the reason that there are people coming into the OP section and giving there negative opinions on OP is because OP fans insist that their manga/anime is superior to others. When you make that asumption you damned well better be ready to defend it. Not whine about the people who dissagree with you.

[Bass]

A fan who likes it huh? Well how about I go to Naruto avenue and express my "opinion" about the series? After all I'm a "fan who likes it!"

Go ahead. After all, it's your opinion. You wouldn't be the first....hell, most fans of Naruto are the main ones bashing the series and the mangaka because they didn't like what happened in certain chapters.

I still have trouble believing this guy's claim that he likes One Piece. It's good to accep the faults of a show they like, but Matryn just downright criticized every aspect of One Piece. And incorrectly at that.

Well, imo, you can't really call yourself a fan of something if you're not willing to step back and take notice of it's flaws.

I also don't see the point in coming here and making a thread just to say you don't like it. Guess what? we don't give two shits. If you don't like it, fine. But don't create a thread about it in the section dedicated to it.

Why not? This is the One Piece section.....where else would he make the thread?

guy: I hate One Piece, I think I'll go over to the One Piece section and make a whole thread saying why I hate it.

What kind of bull logic is that?

But he doesn't hate One Piece. He loves it despite it's flaws.

[Amatsu]

Oh, and what thread have I created in OP section bashing OP? I dare you to find one.

The differance between me and you is that I have the balls to come into the OP section and criticize it. You come here to the OP section and criticize other stories because in this section your certain to have more people agree with you.

And the reason that there are people coming into the OP section and giving there negative opinions on OP is because OP fans insist that their manga/anime is superior to others. When you make that asumption you damned well better be ready to defend it. Not whine about the people who dissagree with you.

Oh so the Naruto fans never do this? Have fun living in your fantasy world.

Meh and I never meant it like that... I meant what seperates me from you is that even though I could easily go into Naruto avenue and start bashing Naruto left and right... I choose not too because that would be stooping to your level and I'm well above doing that.

[CosmicDebris]

"Write up a large multi-paragraph post in order to incite the One Piece fanbase"

Incite the fanbase? All he did was give his opinion about the series as a fan who loves it.

I never really cared too much about the original post. I just went back to read it again and it mostly made me laugh...as much as matyrn says he/she loves One Piece, the confused details seem to indicate he/she (sorry I don't know) hasn't really done much more than skim through.

The worst part of the thread is some of the other people in it who probably didn't really read through the original post at all and just use the thread as an excuse to say "yeah you tell those One Piece tards!" and then hypocritically saying they can't take criticism when in the process they're telling other people that they shouldn't criticise the original post...kind of lame huh?

There were some slightly scything, sneaky comments in it though. Like "One Piece really is... imaginative. But calling it creative is like calling a 4 year old's childish scribbles creative."

Comparing One Piece to a 4 year old's scribbles is a bit more than just expressing an opinion. That is quite an unnecessary insult, and a very ignorant one at that.

So...when people make comments like that, do you really expect One Piece fans to just sit there and not challenge the statement? On an internet FORUM for which such discussions are supposed to take place? At least last I checked, that's what this was, not someone's personal blog. If all you want to do is express your "opinion" and not have anyone tell you what they think of it, then that's where you should be...LJ or Myspace or something.

So as for posting threads like this in general...the problem with the thread's existence by itself, barring the really silly, misinterpreted, mininformed reasons matyrn gives for supposedly other people that matyrn can somehow speak for who don't like One Piece, is that this is like, the 5th thread I've seen of a similar nature and we really don't need to say the same things over and over again, do we?

[Amatsu]

Go ahead. After all, it's your opinion. You wouldn't be the first....hell, most fans of Naruto are the main ones bashing the series and the mangaka because they didn't like what happened in certain chapters.


Well actually I was trying to make a point. I mean would you like it if I went into Naruto avenue and posted a thread like this one about Naruto which was purely just flame bait? Of course you wouldn't so how can you think it's alright for Martryn to do that to us?

I'm sure you'd care if the shoe was on the other foot. In fact I sort of remember a thread that proves my point. The "Naruto ninja's aren't actual ninja" thread in the dub section and that wasn't even made with pro-One Piece arguments in mind.

[LordSpark]

Oh so the Naruto fans never do this? Have fun living in your fantasy world.
I'm quite certain that some do. The Law of Averages makes almost certain.

Meh and I never meant it like that... I meant what seperates me from you is that even though I could easily go into Naruto avenue and start bashing Naruto left and right... I choose not too because that would be stooping to your level and I'm well above doing that.
Your right, you don't go into Naruto section and bash it. You come to the OP section and bash it because you don't have the balls to stand up for yourself and your opinion. You're afraid you'll be ganged up on by some rabbid fanboys so you come here and bash where there's certain to be more people who agee with you.

[Deblas]

Well, imo, you can't really call yourself a fan of something if you're not willing to step back and take notice of it's flaws.

Good that we agree on something. Funny thing is that Martryn's "flaws" are all incorrect claims (that is to the point of bashing) that are and have been easily countered.

Why not? This is the One Piece section.....where else would he make the thread?

...

You shouldn't make the thread at ALL. Anywhere, in any fandom. Its nothing but flame baiting and it makes the thread starter look like a douche.



But he doesn't hate One Piece. He loves it despite it's flaws.

Again, what he posted are not flaws. It was a not so subtle bashing of every aspect of One Piece.You can't possibly believe someone likes a series if you write down all of that.

[LordSpark]

You shouldn't make the thread at ALL. Anywhere, in any fandom. Its nothing but flame baiting and it makes the thread starter look like a douche.
Are you saying no one should ever voice their criticism because it might upset a few people? That's not the way things work.

[crazymtf]

Don't agree with it at all, wasted your whole time writing all that for what? No one really gives a shit. This forum is for One piece, we don't need you anazlying whats good and bad. If people want to check it out they look for info, never should base to watch a show on a opinion such as yours. So what i'm saying is that was kind of a waste of all this writing when people who want one piece will find it out on there own.

oh and just to add, one piece >> Bleach >>>>>>>>>>>>All ok-shitty animes>>>>naruto. :)

[Amatsu]

I'm quite certain that some do. The Law of Averages makes almost certain.

Well good job then. At least you're not totally ignorant... However, you're still pretty much far out there.


Your right, you don't go into Naruto section and bash it. You come to the OP section and bash it because you don't have the balls to stand up for yourself and your opinion. You're afraid you'll be ganged up on by some rabbid fanboys so you come here and bash where there's certain to be more people who agee with you.

Nah I've bashed Naruto on Naruto avenue before. Thing is though I actually know that know that not all Naruto fans are completely hopeless NaruTards like you and out of respect for them I don't go on a Naruto bashing spree in Naruto Avenue. It has nothing to do with being ganged up on by rabid fantards since I put up with that back when I was an actual fan of Naruto as well as one of the people who debated in the Naruto Pairing wars. Being a NaruSaku kinda does that... So I could easily handle a bunch of rabid NaruTards, but as I said out of respect for the Naruto fans here who I actually like and enjoy being around I choose not to go about bashing.

Also I don't bash Naruto all the time. Only when pricks who deserve it... Like you for example... Continue barging in here spouting how much One Piece sucks then go off to praise Naruto for the same things you hate One Piece for. To be honest LordSpark it's not about you having the balls to come in here... It's probably more about the fact that you enjoy making an ass out of yourself, which you're really good at doing by the way.

[Bass]

I never really cared too much about the original post. I just went back to read it again and it mostly made me laugh...as much as matyrn says he/she loves One Piece, the confused details seem to indicate he/she (sorry I don't know) hasn't really done much more than skim through.

Hmm.....maybe he is a casual reader/watcher?

The worst part of the thread is some of the other people in it who probably didn't really read through the original post at all and just use the thread as an excuse to say "yeah you tell those One Piece tards!" and then hypocritically saying they can't take criticism when in the process they're telling other people that they shouldn't criticise the original post...kind of lame huh?

Indeed it is lame.


There were some slightly scything, sneaky comments in it though. Like "One Piece really is... imaginative. But calling it creative is like calling a 4 year old's childish scribbles creative."

Comparing One Piece to a 4 year old's scribbles is a bit more than just expressing an opinion. That is quite an unnecessary insult, and a very ignorant one at that.

Yeah, you're right. But knowing Martryn, I'm not surprised. >_<


So...when people make comments like that, do you really expect One Piece fans to just sit there and not challenge the statement?

Actually, I expected the fans to politely correct him with the occasional humorous reference to a recent manga chapter. Yeah I have high hopes. T_T

On an internet FORUM for which such discussions are supposed to take place? At least last I checked, that's what this was, not someone's personal blog. If all you want to do is express your "opinion" and not have anyone tell you what they think of it, then that's where you should be...LJ or Myspace or something.

I didn't think he wanted anyone to hold back what they thought of it.

So as for posting threads like this in general...the problem with the thread's existence by itself, barring the really silly, misinterpreted, mininformed reasons matyrn gives for supposedly other people that matyrn can somehow speak for who don't like One Piece, is that this is like, the 5th thread I've seen of a similar nature and we really don't need to say the same things over and over again, do we?

Nah....but it helps to just copy/paste the same answer to save time. :amuse


Well actually I was trying to make a point. I mean would you like it if I went into Naruto avenue and posted a thread like this one about Naruto which was purely just flame bait? Of course you wouldn't so how can you think it's alright for Martryn to do that to us?

I wouldn't care since I dislike Naruto and don't hang around the Naruto avenue. I mean, I used to like it but recently....it feels like Kishimoto is just using shounen cliche after cliche.

Now, the Bleach avenue on the other hand.....nah, I would probably just agree with some points you make and just ignore the ones that I wouldn't care for.

I'm sure you'd care if the shoe was on the other foot. In fact I sort of remember a thread that proves my point. The "Naruto ninja's aren't actual ninja" thread in the dub section and that wasn't even made with pro-One Piece arguments in mind.

I don't mess with the dub section since there are too many young, impressionable Japanophiles.

Good that we agree on something. Funny thing is that Martryn's "flaws" are all incorrect claims (that is to the point of bashing) that are and have been easily countered.

Really? Then why are there so many pages? Is he still arguing his points? :huh

...

You shouldn't make the thread at ALL. Anywhere, in any fandom. Its nothing but flame baiting and it makes the thread starter look like a douche.

But sometimes a little spice is needed to get the fandom rattled....then again, the 4Kids dub was probably all the spice the fandom didn't needed and more.

Again, what he posted are not bloody flaws. It was a not so subtle bashing of every aspect of One Piece.

Every aspect?

You can't possibly like a series if you write down all of that.

I beg to differ.

For example, I like Bleach but I can list over 50 things that I hate about it.

[crazymtf]

^50 things you hate about it yet you like it? I can't see that possible. I hate well over 50 things over naruto and that's why i think it sucks a big cock. Then again alot of those things are opinion...by the way if you don't care for one piece why even post on this page? Those naruto suck that much?

[Deblas]

Are you saying no one should ever voice their criticism because it might upset a few people?

No, I'm not...

[Bass]

^50 things you hate about it yet you like it? I can't see that possible.

Bleach has some good characters. Hell, a chance to see Ichimaru Gin in action is worth checking out the raws every week.

I hate well over 50 things over naruto and that's why i think it sucks a big cock. Then again alot of those things are opinion

Because Naruto does suck big cock....and not very well at that. I still watch it though....just to see what lame thing the main characters will do and what awesome thing the side characters won't get to do.

...by the way if you don't care for one piece why even post on this page? Those naruto suck that much?

It isn't that...I just got bored and decided to drop in. ^_^

[Deblas]

Hmm.....maybe he is a casual reader/watcher?

Really? Then why are there so many pages? Is he still arguing his points? :huh:

Other people who hate One Piece decided to stop by and voice their "opinion" as well. Page 4 and so on is pretty much bashing between the two fandoms.


Every aspect?

Yes. Really, have you at least read Martryn's post?

[CosmicDebris]

Are you saying no one should ever voice their criticism because it might upset a few people? That's not the way things work.

No, of course people can voice their opinions...but there's ways to do it that are better than others. Often the question "why" the opinion is being posted and what they expect from it is a big factor, with "how" the opinion is expressed being the most important.
You shouldn't refrain from posting an opinion for fear of upsetting people, but you also shouldn't post something for the purpose of rileing up people.
I can see no purpose of this thread other than a thinly veiled attempt to be controversial.
Sometimes that's OK too, but not when it's gotten SO OLD. :cry

Hmm.....maybe he is a casual reader/watcher?

A little TOO casual if he doesn't even know what the name of the treasure that Luffy is looking for is called and where it's supposed to be located...that's kind of basic knowledge. And just some of the descriptions of how certain plot developments happened were totally wrong...so either he's just oversimplifying to make it sound worse than it is (which makes the analysis faulty and dishonest), or he really doesn't know what he's talking about.

Actually, I expected the fans to politely correct him with the occasional humorous reference to a recent manga chapter. Yeah I have high hopes. T_T

Well, some people did, but they were overshadowed by rude and bitchy people. It's unfortunate that such things are pretty much unavoidable on internet fan forums. You have to take the meat and spit out the bones. Also I think a lot of people are just getting tired of repetitive threads like this. We've had too many trolls lately.

I didn't think he wanted anyone to hold back what they thought of it.I wasn't referring to matryn there...but other people in this thread that are pulling the "It's just his opinion, just take it and stfu" approach.

Nah....but it helps to just copy/paste the same answer to save time. :amuseI do that sometimes. :amuse

[Bass]

Other people who hate One Piece decided to stop by and voice their "opinion" as well. Page 4 and so on is pretty much bashing between the two fandoms.

Oh...I see. They saw an opening and decided to leap.

Yes. Really, have you at least read Martryn's post?

Err...I tried.....then I got lost in all the One Piece lingo. :(

A little TOO casual if he doesn't even know what the name of the treasure that Luffy is looking for is called and where it's supposed to be located...that's kind of basic knowledge. And just some of the descriptions of how certain plot developments happened were totally wrong...so either he's just oversimplifying to make it sound worse than it is (which makes the analysis faulty and dishonest), or he really doesn't know what he's talking about.

Ehh...maybe he doesn't...he wasn't really clear on that.


Well, some people did, but they were overshadowed by rude and bitchy people. It's unfortunate that such things are pretty much unavoidable on internet fan forums. You have to take the meat and spit out the bones. Also I think a lot of people are just getting tired of repetitive threads like this. We've had too many trolls lately.

Really? And here I thought the One Piece section was all quiet and peaceful.


I wasn't referring to matryn there...but other people in this thread that are pulling the "It's just his opinion, just take it and stfu" approach.


Oh, my fault.

Hmm...I assume those who used that approach said their piece and didn't come back, right?

I do that sometimes. :amuse

Woo! :hi5

[Pipboy]

To be fair some of us like sterotypical shonen hero's get off on [internet] combat. So I personally find this thread to be an immensly worthwhile use of time an energy. I think it bore excellent fruit.

[King Bookah]

To put it simply, NF is full of One Piece/Naruto nutjobs. They'd rather spend time bashing their rival series than actually enjoying their own series. I never understood that logic.

I'm guilty of it too, but jeez, don't people ever get tired of that BS? I have to deal with it all the time on NF and AP. Honestly, does bashing One Piece make anybody feel better about Naruto? Does insulting Naruto make anyone feel better about One Piece? I fail to see how it changes anything about your favorite series. Save that stuff for the OB.

Can't we all just get along?

probably not

[Amatsu]

I wouldn't care since I dislike Naruto and don't hang around the Naruto avenue. I mean, I used to like it but recently....it feels like Kishimoto is just using shounen cliche after cliche.

Can't say I don't agree with you and heck if anything I have MANY opinions I would like to express about Naruto, but I respect the people I like on here too much to pull something like that. I mean I may think Naruto is a steaming pile of crap but that doesn't give me the right to go around Naruto avenue bashing the series and the fans the way the people who hate One Piece go about doing things. I don't need to stoop to that level.

Now, the Bleach avenue on the other hand.....nah, I would probably just agree with some points you make and just ignore the ones that I wouldn't care for.

I only have two complaints about Bleach

1. The way Kubo is rehashing his arc's instead of making it interesting. I mean did we really need another Soul Society rescue arc? Also if anything if not for the whole Aizen thing Bleach could have ended strictly after Soul Society. The end of Soul Society had closure like how the Frieza saga from DBZ did. The Hueco Mundo arc seems like what happened to Toriyama when he started the Android saga. Bleach became popular and now Kubo is being forced to continue. Unless it was set up that Aizen was this huge villain from the very start and really we didn't even know that until Rukia was about to be executed. That's a long time between when Aizen was first killed and then in the manga. Kubo might have brought in the whole Aizen thing because the editors wanted him to continue the series past Soul Society.

Or I could be wrong, but it just comes off that way to me.

2. Bleach seems more like a fighting game than an anime/manga because when Ichigo isn't fighting he's training for some higher level of power and the story get's progressed in little tiny increment's that are more like cut scenes. Heck if anything Bleach is more about progressing from one fight to the next than telling an actual story and that sort of put's me off because Bleach has a great story going for it and if it tried to balance out plot as well as action it could be even better than it is now. After all a shounen doesn't have to totally be about fighting. In a way One Piece does prove that with it's captivating storytelling. Personally I wish Kubo would have worked on a balancing system for both plot and action from the start or at least starting from Soul Society. It's just so frustrating when you see that much potential being pushed away for more fights.

However, I guess that's all some anime fans care about... I mean I remember when people used to rag on Kenshin for talking during the fights. I hated it when they did that. I mean seriously it's like they don't even care about the story they just want to see freakin' blood and gore. Geez it's no wonder people like the DBZ anime so much despite all the huge fillers in it. Though I know the DBZ manga did it better.



I don't mess with the dub section since there are too many young, impressionable Japanophiles.

Meh well what can I say? Those weeaboo's annoy me. Especially since they spread out far more than just the dub section.

[Zephos]

And Naruto getting the Kyuubi, Ichigo getting spiritual power to become a shinigami, and Goku randomly finding out he is a saiyan. All Shonen series suffer from these type of flaws. That was probably the point you were trying to make. >.<

No.
Its worse.
he seemed to be confused at why the fruit would give such a power.
Which is really, profoundly dumb.....
WHY WERE THE SLIPPERS RUBY.
WHY WERE THEY DWARVES.
WHY WAS THE DEATH STAR CAPABLE OF BLOWING UP PLANETS.

[crazymtf]

To put it simply, NF is full of One Piece/Naruto nutjobs. They'd rather spend time bashing their rival series than actually enjoying their own series. I never understood that logic.

I'm guilty of it too, but jeez, don't people ever get tired of that BS? I have to deal with it all the time on NF and AP. Honestly, does bashing One Piece make anybody feel better about Naruto? Does insulting Naruto make anyone feel better about One Piece? I fail to see how it changes anything about your favorite series. Save that stuff for the OB.

Can't we all just get along?

probably not
Don't spend all my time, but when i can name drop how bad naruto is, i do it :laugh :amuse

[martryn]

Hey, guys, what's up?

Just thought I'd pop in real quick and show my appreciation for all you guys working hard to keep my thread alive. I didn't realize that it'd get this many posts. Thanks for all the rep, especially you guys who were thoughtful enough to leave comments. I appreciate your feedback.

I think I'm going to start a series of "martryn breaks down" threads. If they're going to be this popular it seems something worth investing in.

Well, thanks again!

~your fearless leader, martryn

[Ishin Shishi]

^^Sounds like a great idea. I'm sure you'll find plenty of other people who're willing to fulfill your masochistic desires.

[MuNaZ]

I'm gonna post in the legendary post.... :wtf

I've read the post.... and so many times I was about to post but pipboy post countered everything if my memory is not tricking me... Sure it had attacks to martryn, but when you make this kind of threads with few facts and stupid argumments some people WILL not like it a bit and probably will attack you... i'm not saying is correct but i don't find it that wrong....
Let me just say that i hate the fact than no one dies in One Piece i said this a lot of times... but that's probably the only thing you got right.

Another thing is that One Piece has some people who come here just to bash One Piece or use stupid argumments, like yours and so one post like this... more hate...

And there it is you martryn, I don't like you, never talked with you, but your posts that i've seen i found them... idiotic, not a good word.... but i never liked your posts.. i have that right and for what i've read there are more people who don't like you and when you make this post about their favourite series (if they like it too much it's their problem) they are going to be a little more mad...

and now i would like to respond to a post, that probably made me comment....

aw everybody be hatin' on marty because he pointed out some of One Piece's most obvious flaws.

don't worry marty, monny still hearts you moar than everybody in this dumbutt thread. >[

(note: i don't read one piece. so don't... geek-attack me plz.)

Okay.... help me here... HOW do you know what are One Piece most obvious flaws IF you don't read it?
I am really confused.....:huh
and if you don't read it why would you come here?
You have the right to come here but post if you know something about it...
SO you know that martryn (your Friend? don't really care what you are to each other) makes a post about something and you just felt like posting to give him support, ignoring the fact that you know nothing about the subject.... What a beatiful thing to see when you wake up...

[Gunners]

A fan who likes it huh? Well how about I go to Naruto avenue and express my "opinion" about the series? After all I'm a "fan who likes it!"
Actions speak louder that words. By all means go ahead.

Well actually I was trying to make a point. I mean would you like it if I went into Naruto avenue and posted a thread like this one about Naruto which was purely just flame bait? Of course you wouldn't so how can you think it's alright for Martryn to do that to us?

I'm sure you'd care if the shoe was on the other foot. In fact I sort of remember a thread that proves my point. The "Naruto ninja's aren't actual ninja" thread in the dub section and that wasn't even made with pro-One Piece arguments in mind.

Honestly I would give a fuck, go right ahead and make a thread bashing Naruto it occurs on a weekly basis anyway. ''Kishimoto sucks he did this'' ''Kishimoto nerfed character x''.

Go ahead and make the thread, I am daring you too do it now.

[Violent Man]

Well I remember seeing this thread when it first came out and knew this was going to happen, especially after reading the first post. If you read all the pages in this thread you'll laugh your ass off. I've never seen somone(martryn) get there asses handed to them like that before. I would feel bad for you but when I look it over you basically asked for it.


aw everybody be hatin' on marty because he pointed out some of One Piece's most obvious flaws.

don't worry marty, monny still hearts you moar than everybody in this dumbutt thread. >[

(note: i don't read one piece. so don't... geek-attack me plz.

Probably the dumbest post I've ever seen. And I've seen alot of jplayas posts. You say you don't read One Piece, yet you agree with martryn on saying he pointed out obvious One Piece flaws. That was very stupid but not as stupid as when you say "don't geek attack me." Posting a rebuttal to a half-assed arguement/bashing/opinion(whatever you wanna call it) isn't a geek attack. Yet you say it because you feel like holding yourself to some higher regard than everybody else, or is it because you feel the need to defend your e-buddy and believe One Piece fans have no life and "don't get laid"(which you likely got from all the other OP haters who get constantly proven wrong so they try to go for personal attacks even though they never met the person).

If that's what you believe then just leave, cause if you don't you'll be a hypocrite since basically being in an anime forum is grounds to be called a geek, and you don't wanna be that right? :sarc

[Limit_Tester]

I think I'm going to start a series of "martryn breaks down" threads. If they're going to be this popular it seems something worth investing in.


If I remember correctly this isn't the first of "martryn breaks down" threads. I distinctly recall another one. Oh now I remember:

http://forums.narutofan.com:80/showthread.php?t=160042

[CosmicDebris]

Hey, guys, what's up?

Just thought I'd pop in real quick and show my appreciation for all you guys working hard to keep my thread alive. I didn't realize that it'd get this many posts. Thanks for all the rep, especially you guys who were thoughtful enough to leave comments. I appreciate your feedback.

I think I'm going to start a series of "martryn breaks down" threads. If they're going to be this popular it seems something worth investing in.

Well, thanks again!

~your fearless leader, martryn

Aha, can I call it or what. :laugh I know attention whores when I see 'em.
matryn apparently things forums are personal blogs. Why not entertain us all with more threads of uneducated malarkey just to stir up controversey. The more the merrier.

[Amatsu]

Honestly I would give a fuck, go right ahead and make a thread bashing Naruto it occurs on a weekly basis anyway. ''Kishimoto sucks he did this'' ''Kishimoto nerfed character x''.

Go ahead and make the thread, I am daring you too do it now.

Apparently you haven't read anything else I say or you know why I don't go around doing that... As I said I don't need to stoop to your level. Besides do you really think you're better than me because you come in here bashing a series I enjoy?

Ignorance is bliss I suppose.

[Gunners]

Apparently you haven't read anything else I say or you know why I don't go around doing that... As I said I don't need to stoop to your level. Besides do you really think you're better than me because you come in here bashing a series I enjoy?

Ignorance is bliss I suppose.

Have I made a thread bashing OP, ''stoop to my level''. You said would you like it if I made a thread bashing Naruto. I said go right ahead I am daring you. It was too show that I couldn't give two shits if you made a thread venting your opinions on Naruto, negative or positive I wouldn't care.

You have an inferiority complex? ''Do you think you're better than me'' [mafia tone]. I haven't bashed one piece in this thread bashing a series is saying ''It sucks, it is crap'' If you find somethings distasteful and metion it, that isn't bashing the series. Stop confusing what you disagree with bashing.

[Zephos]

Hey, guys, what's up?

Just thought I'd pop in real quick and show my appreciation for all you guys working hard to keep my thread alive. I didn't realize that it'd get this many posts. Thanks for all the rep, especially you guys who were thoughtful enough to leave comments. I appreciate your feedback.

I think I'm going to start a series of "martryn breaks down" threads. If they're going to be this popular it seems something worth investing in.

Well, thanks again!

~your fearless leader, martryn

Thats a pretty thinly vieled ego bandage right there.

[ninamori]

Okay.... help me here... HOW do you know what are One Piece most obvious flaws IF you don't read it?
I am really confused.....:huh
and if you don't read it why would you come here?
You have the right to come here but post if you know something about it...
SO you know that martryn (your Friend? don't really care what you are to each other) makes a post about something and you just felt like posting to give him support, ignoring the fact that you know nothing about the subject.... What a beatiful thing to see when you wake up...Probably the dumbest post I've ever seen. And I've seen alot of jplayas posts. You say you don't read One Piece, yet you agree with martryn on saying he pointed out obvious One Piece flaws. That was very stupid but not as stupid as when you say "don't geek attack me." Posting a rebuttal to a half-assed arguement/bashing/opinion(whatever you wanna call it) isn't a geek attack. Yet you say it because you feel like holding yourself to some higher regard than everybody else, or is it because you feel the need to defend your e-buddy and believe One Piece fans have no life and "don't get laid"(which you likely got from all the other OP haters who get constantly proven wrong so they try to go for personal attacks even though they never met the person).

If that's what you believe then just leave, cause if you don't you'll be a hypocrite since basically being in an anime forum is grounds to be called a geek, and you don't wanna be that right? :sarc

I used to read One Piece, but stopped because it was repetitive and childish, imo. Just like Marty said.

But I don't want to get into heated debates because I -stopped reading- over a year ago, and couldn't remember jack shit if I tried. The series wasn't memorable.

I didn't like it, I agree with Marty. Jesus christ.

[martryn]

If I remember correctly this isn't the first of "martryn breaks down" threads. I distinctly recall another one. Oh now I remember:

http://forums.narutofan.com:80/showthread.php?t=160042

I know attention whores when I see 'em.
matryn apparently things forums are personal blogs. Why not entertain us all with more threads of uneducated malarkey just to stir up controversey. The more the merrier.

Yeah, aren't my threads the greatest? Everyone else seems to like them too.

Thats a pretty thinly vieled ego bandage right there.

My ego was damaged? From something on the forums? Oh, God no. You One Piece fanboys aren't nearly as bad as some of the stuff I go up against in the debate forums. You must think highly of yourself if someone like you can damage my ego. If your opinions mattered as much as mine apparently do to you, I would actually search this thread for more of your posts.

[Amatsu]

Have I made a thread bashing OP, ''stoop to my level''. You said would you like it if I made a thread bashing Naruto. I said go right ahead I am daring you. It was too show that I couldn't give two shits if you made a thread venting your opinions on Naruto, negative or positive I wouldn't care.

You have an inferiority complex? ''Do you think you're better than me'' [mafia tone]. I haven't bashed one piece in this thread bashing a series is saying ''It sucks, it is crap'' If you find somethings distasteful and metion it, that isn't bashing the series. Stop confusing what you disagree with bashing.

Actually what I meant was that I don't need to stoop to your level by going into the section of a series I don't like and start bashing the series left and right.. Still that's just because I'm grouping you with people like LordSpark and Martryn. If you haven't bashed the series at all here then I apologize for accusing you. That was wrong of me.

Also I have an inferiority complex? In your dreams maybe but I am far from feeling inferior to you. I was just asking you a question that's all. Since I'm sure you think along the lines of LordSpark where you believe you have balls for coming in here to cause trouble. I'm sure it gives your already broken ego a little boost. Maybe I would take you up on your offer but as I've said I like and respect a good number of Naruto fans and out of regard for them; even giving them my word. I refrain from bashing Naruto on Naruto Avenue. If not for that I would be actively doing it now and pissing people like you off in the process because it's so easy pissing off NaruTards.

So I have an inferiority complex? Pfft I don't think so. I don't have a reason to feel inferior to people like you.

I used to read One Piece, but stopped because it was repetitive and childish, imo..

You mean just like Naruto?

[Tsuuga]

I used to read One Piece, but stopped because it was repetitive and childish, imo. Just like Marty said.

But I don't want to get into heated debates because I -stopped reading- over a year ago, and couldn't remember jack shit if I tried. The series wasn't memorable.

I didn't like it, I agree with Marty. Jesus christ.

So you agree with Marty on his points except you can't remember the series.

I'm not trying to be confrontational, but I think your replies have less to do with expressing your opinion on One Piece and more to do with trying to shield Martryn from the flames. So... just don't bother.

And for curiosity's sake, where did you stop reading? If you can remember.

[ninamori]

You mean just like Naruto?

You mean just like how I also stopped reading Naruto over a year ago, too?

Gee, thanks for assuming.

And guys, I don't even undertand why you're getting so heated about this. He's expressing his opinion on the series and pointing out flaws he sees. He's far from flaming it. He said he -likes- it.

God, you guys are asses....


I stopped reading when they were in some stupid cloud... city thing. And I can remember the general plot, and I can recall some of the core problems with the series.

[Hokage Naruto]

Ninamori, how much of One Piece did you read? Honesty would be great.

[ninamori]

...did you read the "stupid cloud... city thing" comment?

8D

and lol, you guys sure are taking my comments on a comic quite seriously.

[King Bookah]

Wonder u quit. Skypiea was just awful. It felt like a filler Naruto arc, only with a good villian.

But I think you should give OP another chance, it's gets WAY better after the abysmal Skypiea (especially Water7/EL). The story gets really deep and interesting.

[martryn]

Skypiea was just awful.

I liked that part...

[Zephos]

Yeah, aren't my threads the greatest? Everyone else seems to like them too.



My ego was damaged? From something on the forums? Oh, God no. You One Piece fanboys aren't nearly as bad as some of the stuff I go up against in the debate forums. You must think highly of yourself if someone like you can damage my ego. If your opinions mattered as much as mine apparently do to you, I would actually search this thread for more of your posts.

I'm ON the debate forums.
Not to mention if your making more threads (according to you) for reason of popularity that it only follows that you do indeed either value the attention or are simply whitewashing the attention to bandage your ego. Or you ARE a masochist. But there really isn't any glorified explanation for wanting to make more threads where your gangbanged.

[Gunners]

Actually what I meant was that I don't need to stoop to your level by going into the section of a series I don't like and start bashing the series left and right.. Still that's just because I'm grouping you with people like LordSpark and Martryn. If you haven't bashed the series at all here then I apologize for accusing you. That was wrong of me.

Am I bashing one piece? 'Stooping to your level' that summary doesn't add up. So yeah it was wrong of you and I accept your apology here.

Also I have an inferiority complex? In your dreams maybe but I am far from feeling inferior to you. I was just asking you a question that's all. Since I'm sure you think along the lines of LordSpark where you believe you have balls for coming in here to cause trouble. I'm sure it gives your already broken ego a little boost.
????????? You think this increases my ego? Too be honest matters on the forum do little too boost my ego.

Maybe I would take you up on your offer but as I've said I like and respect a good number of Naruto fans and out of regard for them; even giving them my word. I refrain from bashing Naruto on Naruto Avenue. If not for that I would be actively doing it now and pissing people like you off in the process because it's so easy pissing off NaruTards.

What part of ''I wouldn't care'' do you not understand. If I had the timee too burn I would make a ''Kirin breaks down Naruto thread''.

So I have an inferiority complex? Pfft I don't think so. I don't have a reason to feel inferior to people like you.
Twice you brought it up. That part hit a spot, noticed it's the part you wrote most on too. If you didn't have an inferiority complex you wouldn't say things like. ''You think you are better than me'' in an issue such as this.

[King Bookah]

I'd like to add that there are atleast 5 to 10 complaining threads in the Naruto section a day. They make complaint threads about their own series on a daily basis, So making a thread to bash Naruto will do very little.

[Amatsu]

Am I bashing one piece? 'Stooping to your level' that summary doesn't add up. So yeah it was wrong of you and I accept your apology here.

You don't need to rub dirt in the wound you know... You could have just accepted the apology...


????????? You think this increases my ego? Too be honest matters on the forum do little too boost my ego.

Why else then would you want to continue arguing then? Unless you've just got sand in your vagina or you shoved your Naruto dildo too far up your ass. :laugh



What part of ''I wouldn't care'' do you not understand. If I had the timee too burn I would make a ''Kirin breaks down Naruto thread''.

For someone who has Naruto in their avatar and signature I highly doubt that.

Twice you brought it up. That part hit a spot, noticed it's the part you wrote most on too. If you didn't have an inferiority complex you wouldn't say things like. ''You think you are better than me'' in an issue such as this.

Now you're the one assuming. I was asking the question because people like LordSpark come in here thinking that they are better than their opponents when in all honesty they aren't. I was just trying to see if you also fit that description.

Still it's nice of you to assume something like that out of just a few words. Even though you're completely wrong.

You mean just like how I also stopped reading Naruto over a year ago, too?

Gee, thanks for assuming.

And guys, I don't even undertand why you're getting so heated about this. He's expressing his opinion on the series and pointing out flaws he sees. He's far from flaming it. He said he -likes- it.

God, you guys are asses....


I stopped reading when they were in some stupid cloud... city thing. And I can remember the general plot, and I can recall some of the core problems with the series.

Well considering you stick around here on Naruto forums it's hard not to think that you're just another NaruTard wanting to suck on martryn's teat.

Also how can we take any of your opinions seriously when it seems you hardly know anything about One Piece?

[Hokage Naruto]

and lol, you guys sure are taking my comments on a comic quite seriously.

Well, you think you are high and mighty agreeing with martryn, without backing up with your opinions, so you do deserve to be knocked off your high horse.

Bring your insightful arguments, if you have any.

[pek]

Who fucking cares? Watch the series if you like it, don't watch it if you don't. Don't try to force your opinions on people, this goes for both sides and please could you guys knock it off with "I tried one piece but i didn't liek it bcux i found it too repetitive". I doubt even half of you that claim you've read/seen it have really done so, if you have, you would've been able to explain in better detail why you didn't like it.

Oh, and Hunter x Hunter owns Bleach, Naruto and One Piece so shut up.

[~Shin~]

Oh, and Hunter x Hunter owns Bleach, Naruto and One Piece so shut up.

This quote is rep-worthy

[King Bookah]

I just finished the Tower/Nen Training Arc. Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying HxH so far, but I can't help but feel that something is missing. Not quite sure what that something is tho. Even still, a good series indeed.

[Hokage Naruto]

Oh, and Hunter x Hunter owns Bleach, Naruto and One Piece so shut up.

Would agree but this break is really pushing my limits for Hunter x Hunter. I agree that the Hunter Exam/Ryodan Arc are probably one of the best Shonen Arcs out there.

[Amatsu]

Would agree but this break is really pushing my limits for Hunter x Hunter. I agree that the Hunter Exam/Ryodan Arc are probably one of the best Shonen Arcs out there.

I would still like to check out Hunter x Hunter but I'm just waiting to see how it goes... Don't want to start the series then hear it got cancelled or anything.

[~Shin~]

I just finished the Tower/Nen Training Arc. Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying HxH so far, but I can't help but feel that something is missing. Not quite sure what that something is tho. Even still, a good series indeed.

Trust me when I say keep reading. Greed Island arc is just pure win

[Amatsu]

You know speaking of HxH I hear that the manga ka isn't sick... he's just taking a vacation playing RPG's...

Still I'd hate it if I started the series only for it to get cancelled before it ends... heck I'm already pissed that it happened to Shaman King right at the last volume of the series.

[Hokage Naruto]

Trust me when I say keep reading. Greed Island arc is just pure win

Didn't really like all of Greed Arc. Just...

- Kuroro being supposedly restored by the nen healer.
- Killua, Gon and Hisoka dodgeball.
- Gon learning more about his father.

Ant Arc > Greed IMO

I would still like to check out Hunter x Hunter but I'm just waiting to see how it goes... Don't want to start the series then hear it got cancelled or anything.

I thought I read somewhere in a Shonen Jump that the mangaka might come back in April or later on.

[Amatsu]

Well also I'm waiting to finish a few other seires too... Whenever I like a series I buy the graphic novels of it and well a few of my other series are almost finished though Viz is slowly dragging them out...

I'm at least finishing that before going on to new series.

[ninamori]

Well, you think you are high and mighty agreeing with martryn, without backing up with your opinions, so you do deserve to be knocked off your high horse.

Bring your insightful arguments, if you have any.
when did I imply that I felt that way?

I brought no insightful arguments because I did not want to argue. My initial post was a light-hearted, "marty I still <3 you no matter what" just because everybody was all... hatin'.

[Amatsu]

when did I imply that I felt that way?

I brought no insightful arguments because I did not want to argue. My initial post was a light-hearted, "marty I still <3 you no matter what" just because everybody was all... hatin'.

Um just so you know apparently Martryn's e-love belongs to Blue... Just wanted you to know so you don't get hurt or die of a broken heart.

If that's the reason you're here protecting him then maybe you'd just better leave. It'd be better in the long run for you.

[pek]

I'd wholeheartedly recommend the Hunter X Hunter anime over the manga, the animation / ost fits perfectly and you can't truly understand how wicked Hisoka truly is without hearing his voice.

[taboo]

I would just like to say I read Pipboy's posts on the first thread, and I would like to congradulate him on how continually awsome he is.

BARGLE BARGLE BARGLe

[Amatsu]

I'd wholeheartedly recommend the Hunter X Hunter anime over the manga, the animation / ost fits perfectly and you can't truly understand how wicked Hisoka truly is without hearing his voice.

Didn't the anime end early though?

[pek]

It "ends"(stops) just before the Chimera arc.

[Hokage Naruto]

Didn't the anime end early though?

But they made OVA's through the Greed Island Arc.

[Amatsu]

But they made OVA's through the Greed Island Arc.

Hmm then I shall look it up on youtube then and watch it. I did see the opening and I did rather like the animation. Hopefully I can find some of it then.

[d.Lughie]

Repetitive? Just because they go from island to island you people started hating One Piece? O well! Too bad! You are not made for this godly series!

[~Shin~]

Didn't really like all of Greed Arc. Just...

- Kuroro being supposedly restored by the nen healer.
- Killua, Gon and Hisoka dodgeball.
- Gon learning more about his father.

Ant Arc > Greed IMO



I thought I read somewhere in a Shonen Jump that the mangaka might come back in April or later on.


Greed arc was really well constructed imo. I'd also say Ant arc>Greed island arc but since it's not finished I can't comment on it

[Deblas]

Repetitive? Just because they go from island to island you people started hating One Piece? O well! Too bad! You are not made for this godly series!

I wonder about that. Yeah, in a sense it is repetitive because they go from island to island. But, you know...they're pirates. They travel the seas, its what they do. But that's it. Each island brings a new adventure with memorable characters and emotion. And when you think that the creator can't out do himself anymore, something appears that ends up being jawdropping.

It's not like say DBZ (I honestly don't like to play the DBZ card here but...) where: bad guy appears intending to destroy or rule the universe. Goku is not strong enough so he trains for like...60 eps. Achieves a new suppa cool stronger super saiyan lv. Fights...dies...resurrect with the dragonballs. One Piece doesn't always follow the same thing except for maybe the fights.

[CosmicDebris]

Repetitive? Just because they go from island to island you people started hating One Piece? O well! Too bad! You are not made for this godly series!

Wow, great argument there. :notrust

[Tsuuga]

Wow, great argument there. :notrust

I laughed because I thought he was sarcastic...

[King Bookah]

Yeah, those "If you don't like (insert series), u suck" arguments are the best, aren't they? LOL

Arguments like that make us One Piece and Naruto fans really look ignorant as a whole.

[CosmicDebris]

I laughed because I thought he was sarcastic...

I might have thought so as well if not for his lame signature.

[Ishin Shishi]

Yeah, those "If you don't like (insert series), u suck" arguments are the best, aren't they? LOL

Arguments like that make us One Piece and Naruto fans really look ignorant as a whole.
Man... your posts on this thread remind me of Vivi repeatedly screaming from atop the clock tower. smile-big

[King Bookah]

Man... your posts on this thread remind me of Vivi repeatedly screaming from atop the clock tower. smile-big

Not sure what you mean. Do you mean I'm annoying or that my voice isn't being heard so to speak?

(This kinda stuff is hard to detect on the internet)

[CosmicDebris]

Not sure what you mean. Do you mean I'm annoying or that my voice isn't being heard so to speak?

(This kinda stuff is hard to detect on the internet)

lol
I think he means you're trying to get the two sides to stop fighting but your voice is being lost in the chaos because people are too bloodthirsty to notice. :P

[King Bookah]

Oh I see, yeah that's kinda what it feels like.

[Amatsu]

Well bloodlust is always on didn't you know?

[Ishin Shishi]

@gaara d. - What Cosmic said.
Well bloodlust is always on didn't you know?
hell yeah! Die by the sword! :p

[King Bookah]

Well bloodlust is always on didn't you know?

I thought that was only in the OB.

@Ishin: I get ya. Thanks, I try, but to no avail (spelling).

[Amatsu]

I thought that was only in the OB.

@Ishin: I get ya. Thanks, I try, but to no avail (spelling).

Nah that's to everything... At least on the internet. I should know since I used to fight in the Naruto Pairing wars and all... You don't escape the bloodlust you embrace it and accept it and use it to kick those damn idiots in the balls.

It's something Pipboy does well.

[Taleran]

so whats the point of trying to dissect what other people like anyway, I mean isn't that their job?


I mean if they're watching something they don't like attack away but the reasons for liking / disliking a show are probably more varied than the people who watch it so it'd be impossible to list why.

Watch what you want to watch, don't watch what you don't and chat with the people you like about the 1st two comments quite easy really. If someone doesn't want to watch OP because noone dies, then good for them, I'll be over here enjoying my ass off.

[Amatsu]

so whats the point of trying to dissect what other people like anyway, I mean isn't that their job?


I mean if they're watching something they don't like attack away but the reasons for liking / disliking a show are probably more varied than the people who watch it so it'd be impossible to list why.

Watch what you want to watch, don't watch what you don't and chat with the people you like about the 1st two comments quite easy really. If someone doesn't want to watch OP because noone dies, then good for them, I'll be over here enjoying my ass off.

If I remember right Martryn claims to like One Piece and claims he watched it enough to point out it's major flaws yet his post is full of lulz and fail considering it shows that he hardly knows anything about the series to properly judge it.

So he basically came in here wearing a bulls eye on his chest and stood under a sign that said "please shoot me with your flaming arrows."

Though what you say is understandable. I'm not saying it isn't just so you know.

[CosmicDebris]

Well bloodlust is always on didn't you know?

It's cool if you were talking about this http://www.vampirehunterdbloodlust.com/ smile-big

Nah that's to everything... At least on the internet. I should know since I used to fight in the Naruto Pairing wars and all... You don't escape the bloodlust you embrace it and accept it and use it to kick those damn idiots in the balls.

IMO, that's called "Stooping to a lower level".

It's something Pipboy does well.

...He made good points but the unecessary insults thrown in about inferiority complexes and stuff make his posts rather embarrassing to read. I would have had a lot more respect for the posts made otherwise.

[Amatsu]

It's cool if you were talking about this http://www.vampirehunterdbloodlust.com/ smile-big

Meh I'm sure it's the same thing right?



IMO, that's called "Stooping to a lower level".

Meh that's just my definition though... but I hardly think it's stooping to a lower level. It's possible to stoop to a lower level during that though I'll admit. Still if you're careful you can avoid it.



...He made good points but the unecessary insults thrown in about inferiority complexes and stuff make his posts rather embarrassing to read. I would have had a lot more respect for the posts made otherwise.

I just find his posts funny to read and full of win. Even if he does go a bit far at times.

[Ishin Shishi]

Personally, I don't mind it at all when people flame each other as long as their posts have valid content. But I guess that's because most of the forums I've been on are no-holds-barred sort of places.

[CosmicDebris]

It just depends...there are times when for reasons that are obvious a person really deserves a good virtual smack. But most of the time it's not necessary. And a lot of the time it just makes one look like a jerk and whatever other comments are made lose value.

I think people get caught in these verbal wars and make things way too personal...they think it's all great but from an outside perspective it's rather childish.

[Violent Man]

What happened to the other Shikachu avatar? :( .

[Toffeeman]

Oh, and Hunter x Hunter owns Bleach, Naruto and One Piece so shut up.

/me agrees. Im still bitter at how the series turned out. :(

[CosmicDebris]

What happened to the other Shikachu avatar? :( .

You like this one better? XD

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/3944/shikachutc6.jpg

[Gunners]

Why else then would you want to continue arguing then? Unless you've just got sand in your vagina or you shoved your Naruto dildo too far up your ass.
You get into arguements for your ego? Hmmph I guess some people do my reason for prolonging this, I don't really know. Why not? Actually there are a lot of answer too why I shouldn't prolong the converstation. Meh.

For someone who has Naruto in their avatar and signature I highly doubt that.
Because I have a Naruto avatar, I will get stressed everytime someone disses it. Your social skills must be low if you think people throw hissy fits when someone disagrees with something they like. I'm an Arsenal fan some of my freinds support spurs and diss Arsenal I don't get pissed off over it. Half of my freinds dislike Naruto though they don't bash it as the topic never comes up.
Now you're the one assuming. I was asking the question because people like LordSpark come in here thinking that they are better than their opponents when in all honesty they aren't. I was just trying to see if you also fit that description.

Still it's nice of you to assume something like that out of just a few words. Even though you're completely wrong.
Well I didn't fit that discription, and you didn't try too see if I fitted it you accused me of fitting in that discription.

[p0ltergeist]

So are the Naruto fans trying to convince the One Piece fans that One Piece sucks? Sounds like a waste of time.

[Masaki]

Oh sure, and Blue bans people just for calling another person an idiot...

[Gunners]

Oh sure, and Blue bans people just for calling another person an idiot...
Meh Suzubot deserved the ban. He had an attitude problem and flamed people when it wasn't needed.

[Limit_Tester]

Meh Suzubot deserved the ban. He had an attitude problem and flamed people when it wasn't needed.

Stupity is a punishable offense in my book.

[Birkin]

One Piece is the definition of randomness/stupidity/sucky drawings