Trial Tournament - Raikage vs. The Truth (Round 1, Match 5)

[Kuya]

Hey Everyone. So this is the trial tournament. Real tournament will start soon after this. So observe, vote, and give any input on how to better the tournament for the real one. Thanks!

THE MATCHES AND SETTINGS WERE CHOSEN AT RANDOM BY MY GF.

Setting For Round 1 - Forest of Death (Chuunin Exams)
Tournament Rules

1. Vote on the clear victor and it is recommended you state why they would in.
2. Only 1 vote allowed. If later you are persuaded by someone and choose to vote for the other team, then only that vote will count.
3. No Plot No Jutsu. (Naruto doesn’t defeat Kakuzu, Sasori, and everyone just because Kishimoto won’t let him die.)
4. No filler jutsu’s.
5. No Giant or Boss summons except for Enma (Sarutobi) and Pakkun (Kakashi).
6. KWGoD, Aoba, and the Gai hype (Chuck Norris type hype) not allowed. Otherwise, one could have all 3 on their team and own EVERYONE. Please try and be serious and just go off their skills
7. Experience of fighting WITH or AGAINST ninja's are in play. (I.E. if you choose Kiba-Shino-Hinata, they may work better since they are a team and know eachother's strengths and weaknesses. Or... Kakuzu will know to fight Hidan from a great distance since he doesn't want his blood drawn, and because they are partners. Hidan will have an advantage of characters who don't know of his ability). EXPERIENCE IS ONLY IN AFFECT FROM CHAPTER 341AND BEFORE.
8. No Prep Time.
9. It’s a team fight. Team vs. Team
10. 1 point for a vote in the polls. 2 points for a vote as a post in this thread.
11. If caught bribing for votes or cheating (making aliases), you will be disqualified from the tournament.

Raikage vs. The Truth

Raikage
Team "Raikage"

1. Sarutobi (w/ Enma)
2. Sasuke CS2
3. Kimimaro Sick (CS2 allowed)
4. Pre- Shikamaru
5. Pre Ino

vs.

The Truth
Team Truth
1. Kakuzu
2. Pre-Shino (Chuunin Exam)
3. Pre Kankuro (Chuunin Exam)
4. Pre Naruto (Zabuza Arc)

[Kyon]

Personally, I think Raikage has this one.

Raikage's team has just as much experience as Kakuzu would have due to Sarutobi, and more than The Truth's other three teammates would have. Team Truth relies heavily on Kakuzu to provide the firepower, which can be met by Sarutobi and Shikamaru can provide a strategy to defeat the other team. Shino, Kankuro, and Naruto could easily be beat by CS2 Sasuke and Kimi. The Truth's team does have a slight territory advantage, but the sheer firepower of Sasuke and Kimimaro would be enough to crush the puppets, the pupeteer, and the hiding Shino. Naruto wouldn't be all that difficult to defeat either.

Raikage's team could definately beat Kakuzu, the central part of The Truth's team.

[Feral]

While I mainly agree with Kyon, I think Kakuzu is not that kind of character. He doesn't do 1 on 1. He can fight Sarutobi and throw an occassional S-class jutsu the other way at the same time, because he's simply built for team battle.

I still think Raikage has this though.

[The Truth]

Raikage vs. The Truth

Raikage
Team "Raikage"

1. Sarutobi (w/ Enma)
2. Sasuke CS2
3. Kimimaro Sick (CS2 allowed)
4. Pre- Shikamaru
5. Pre Ino

vs.

The Truth
Team Truth
1. Kakuzu
2. Pre-Shino (Chuunin Exam)
3. Pre Kankuro (Chuunin Exam)
4. Pre Naruto (Zabuza Arc)

Kakuzu goes on a rampage ladies and gentlemen. Poor Sarutobi doesn't have the stamina to compete the Mr. Tentacles, and his elemental jutsus(which seems to make up the majority of Saru's arsenal) would all be overwhelmed and countered by Kakuzu. The only real problem is Enma, who could be binded with tentacles and subdued(Oro's snakes did so with minimal effort).

Shino can't be shadow bound by Shikamaru because his chakra eating bugs operate independently of him and could obviously eat the shadows. And in the forest, his bugs would have many places to hide and attack from several directions as shown in his fight with Kankuro.

I chose Naruto specifically because during the Wave Arc, his Kyuubi mode could deflect projectiles(bone bullets) and allows him the ability to heal his injuries. His speed allowed him to grab Haku who was traveling in between the mirrors.

Kankuro, like Shino also has the locational advantage because he can hide and use his puppet to attack. Also his poison gas would only hasten Kimimaro's assured demise.

Anyhow, the way i see it is Kakuzu, after dealing with Sarutobi can play cleanup with whoever is left. I'd assume that'd be Kimimaro and Sasuke, both in pretty bad condition.

[durtycheese]

raikage would take this, preskip naruto shino and kakuro jsut dont have enough experience yet.

[The Truth]

raikage would take this, preskip naruto shino and kakuro jsut dont have enough experience yet.
Yeah because experience was so valuable for Naruto when he was nuking Kakuzu to hell. And experience sure helped Oro when he was running from Itachi.

[Spell]

When I saw The Truth's team for the first time I thought he had prepared an evil, mysterious plan. But it seems it's more like experiment. Anyhow I will chose the winner after Raikage's statement.



I chose Naruto specifically because during the Wave Arc, his Kyuubi mode could deflect projectiles(bone bullets) and allows him the ability to heal his injuries. His speed allowed him to grab Haku who was traveling in between the mirrors.

Naruto won't go Kyuubi mode unless someone important to him recives lethal damage.

@Kuya: what about previous fights? Maybe we should call a mod to move them back to battledome (only not closed ones)?

[Feral]

The Truth brings up a good point.

Shikamaru is basically a nonfactor in this battle, because Shino can use his bugs to protect each teammate from a Kage Mane.

Ino's technique requires someone to be standing still, and thats not so likely, except Kankuro, in which case theres a chance that she tries to mind-switch with a puppet.
(also Kakuzu could probably manhandle her pretty quickly, even while fighting Sarutobi, because he can use multiple jutsus at once).

One thing I see is a landscape change: some high level Katons from Sarutobi and Sasuke could change the field, as well as a Sawarbi no Mai(sp?). Hell, Kakuzu might unintentionally change the field with his techniques, taking away some of his team's advantage (he's not the greatest team player in this situation, but he IS the powerhouse).

[CrazyMoronX]

Raikage
Team "Raikage"

1. Sarutobi (w/ Enma)
2. Sasuke CS2
3. Kimimaro Sick (CS2 allowed)
4. Pre- Shikamaru
5. Pre Ino

vs.

The Truth
Team Truth
1. Kakuzu
2. Pre-Shino (Chuunin Exam)
3. Pre Kankuro (Chuunin Exam)
4. Pre Naruto (Zabuza Arc)


I think "The Truth's" team needs someone better than these shitty pre-skip jerks. However, I still think they win.

Sarutobi never really displayed a way to get past Kakuzu's steel skin, from what I remember (other than the Death God). He also isn't extremely fast or anything, so Kakuzu should be able to take him down with some effort.

Even if Sarutobi used the Death God against Kakuzu, he might not even kill him. Assuming Saru gets the chance.

CS2 Sasuke wouldn't be a factor for Kakuzu, anyway. If Kakashi almost gets killed, Sasuke would get destroyed faster than you can say "CHIDORI!!!".

Kimimaro might pose a problem, though. He could likely pierce Kakuzu's armor with his bone (as could Sasuke, if he could get that close). However, Kakuzu should be able to either A) outlast kimi until he dies from the sickness, or B) force his tentacles down his throat and rip his heart out.

The other guys on Kakuzu's team would only help to distract everyone with bugs, puppets, and kage bunshins. They wouldn't be much help against anyone except the pre-skip guys on the other team. Who they would actually defeat, soundly.

[successortt]

Raikage
Team "Raikage"

1. Sarutobi (w/ Enma)
2. Sasuke CS2
3. Kimimaro Sick (CS2 allowed)
4. Pre- Shikamaru
5. Pre Ino

vs.

The Truth
Team Truth
1. Kakuzu
2. Pre-Shino (Chuunin Exam)
3. Pre Kankuro (Chuunin Exam)
4. Pre Naruto (Zabuza Arc)

I think Raikage team is a good match up for the truth's team because Raikage has two ninjas that could pierce his iron skin. That would be sasuke and Kimimaro. Once the earth mask is taken out Sandiame can go to work.

Stamina was'nt an issue for Sandaime in the Oro fight. It should'nt be considered an issue in this fight either.

either CS2 Kimimaro or Sasuke could take out all the pre-skip memebers on The Truths team. I'd say CS2 sasuke could do it rather quickly. Naruto going kyuubi wont matter, because the naruto of Zabuza's arc could'nt form one tail and as we all know CS2 sasuke could have killed naruto Kyuubi with one tail.

I'd say Sandiame , Kimimaro and CS2 Sasuke would be enough to defeat kakuza. Shikimaru could use shadow bind and have Ino use her mind transfer jutsu but that would be pointless because if anyone attacks Kakuza Ino will get hurt too. So Shikimaru and Ino are probably out of this fight. .

One of the things the Truths team has is Raw power from Kakuza and time, as Kimimaro will die soon and Sasuke can't remain in CS2 form for to long.

Hmm it could go either way but I think Sandaime can hold his own against Kakuza, and with the help of Kimimaro and sasuke; they could win.

winner Raikage

[Orga777]

Kimimaro is not a threat to Kakuzu. Kimimaro will not be able to keep up with Kakuzu at all, and will be overpowered before he even decides to use his CS. Shino is PERFECT to negate Shikamaru, as is Kankuro since he is a long range type and can take him down. Kankuro is also a good distraction for Kimi as well, but Kakuzu may have killed him with his lightning element or something else brutal like that. Maybe ripping his heart out? Sasuke is a non factor for Kakuzu who is just WAY to strong for any of the Rookie Nine from the Pre-Skip. This fight practically boils down to Kakuzu and Sarutobi (really, who didn't see it that way in the beginning?)

Kakuzu is a great match up for Sarutobi. Saru uses his earth jutsu, Kakuzu uses his lightning. Saru uses his Katon's, Kakuzu blocks with his combined with another element. Enma will not be enough. Saru will be better off staying away from Kakuzu since getting close will just result in his death. Those tentacles WILL play a huge factor, and with his detachable body parts his range is greatly increased. Then he has Iron Skin which is going to be a big help for protection against Sarutobi. There is just nothing I can see Sarutobi doing to Kakuzu. He will be kept of the defensive the entire fight until finally, Kakuzu just jumps him and rips out his heart.

Winner: Team Truth

[Kung Lao]

Sorry for being a bit late, and not giving a too good response. Anyway, first of all I'd like to say that I was really disappointed to go up against a team where there is Kakuzu. For the sole reason that Kakuzu is my second favorite character, and it will be really hard for me to give his strength reasonable limits, but I'll try. (Small note: I didn’t read much manga until chapter 238, and I may say stuff that was anime filler only, pardon me if I do).

1. Sarutobi (w/ Enma)
2. Sasuke CS2
3. Kimimaro Sick (CS2 allowed)
4. Pre- Shikamaru
5. Pre Ino

Versus

1. Kakuzu
2. Pre-Shino (Chuunin Exam)
3. Pre Kankuro (Chuunin Exam)
4. Pre Naruto (Zabuza Arc)

Naturally, the most important part of a team fight is teamwork. However, apart from a good combination from Shikamaru and Ino, there isn’t anything to start from. Now let’s see the strategies that could be worked out by both teams. I’ll start with my team. There is at least one strategist in my team, and probably Sarutobi has a few tricks up his sleeve also. The Truth’s team has Kakuzu to work out a strategy, which probably he is capable of, however Kakuzu won’t be cooperating with any of them, in my opinion, simply because he is of a much higher level, and he will see his teammates as a setback for his own fight. This doesn’t necessarily go for Sarutobi, as Kakuzu’s first few moves may encourage him to get a fighting partner in order to win (a fighting partner who isn’t Enma, of course).

Anyway, about the fight… It’s definitely hard to see it as a 5 vs. 4 fight, rather sort of mini duels between people that are somewhat comparable to each other (this doesn’t mean that they are equal in strength!).

Naturally, the most important fight will be between the two “high valued” people, Kakuzu and Sarutobi. I’ll start off with limiting Kakuzu’s iron skin, ghosts and so on. First, Kakuzu didn’t show any indication that he is able to use Iron Skin and ghosts at the same time. When he took out the ghosts, he sort of turned into a tentacle monster, and Iron Skin is simply stupid here, as you can just cut a tentacle or two, and his appropriate piece of body will fall off. I don’t see this as a ghost and iron skin using fight at the same time. Probably he won’t use ghosts until his Iron Skin is penetrated, or he finds the fight too hard to deal with without them (in which case he will deactivate Iron Skin on his own will).
That being said, he is still very strong, fast and versatile. (Note: although Kakuzu’s only real show of body speed was shown at the Kakashi – Raikiri run, he is definitely faster than Kakashi, but we don’t know how predictable his movements are with that speed, as Kakashi couldn’t probably sense much happenings around him after forming the Raikiri. A good example for this would be the Zabuza fight, where Kakashi didn’t sense an incoming Haku, [though in this case Haku could’ve just ported there right before the impact]).
I am however quite sure that with Enma, and without ghosts (yet) Sarutobi will be will be able to defend himself, Enma is really agile and quite strong (Shodai - zombie hit?), and can probably be enough of an assist for Sarutobi (for now).

The remaining 4 can be divided in many different ways. Some of them will drag out the fight too much, and time really is a disadvantage for me (even though Sarutobi can defend himself, he is surely a less durable thing than Kakuzu). Also, as The Truth already pointed it out, Kankuro’s gas can be of a bad issue to the already sick Kimimaro.

I’ll give Shino an opportunity to fight CS 2 Sasuke. The reason behind this, is that the bugs are avoidable only by big area of effect attacks, and a good example for this would be one of Sasuke’s Katon attacks. Also, his wings are sure to protect him from the unnecessary damage, in case the bugs get too close to him. I don’t see this as a long fight at all, even with the starting terrain advantage of Shino, he will lose to CS 2 Sasuke in a minimal amount of time.

Kankuro gets a Shikamaru and Ino combination. (Don’t laugh yet please). Kankuro’s main goal is to trick his opponents into approaching his puppet in a range where he can heavily damage the body of his opponents, either this, or he reveals the fact that this is indeed a puppet, controlled by him, and uses the poison gas. The poison gas is an annoying thing, but non the less it’s not equal to immediate death. This fight can and probably will take the life of Shikamaru, but it should also take Kankuro’s life.
Shikamaru is a long to mid range fighter, and he has no reason to go there and start bullying Kankuro. If however the puppet starts to attack, he can shadow bind it that second. In this case Kankuro can either release his puppet, or stay there and try to do something about the yet unrealized force that keeps him from moving it. If he realeases, he loses his main weapon in the fight, and from then on Shikamaru’s and Ino’s victory is pretty clear, if not, then he will be assured to get bound himself (after the shadow reaches him through the chakra strings), and get caught by Ino’s technique, where he’ll die. His only way of defense would be the use of poison gas when he gets shadow bound, but then, and while this may give him a way out of the Shadow problem, Ino should catch him anyway.
Although this is an uncertain fight, I see it happening this way. Even though I think that at least Ino will survive this fight, I won’t be using her in the fight from now on, her and Shikamaru’s sole purpose is the defeat of Kankuro.

Kimimaro vs Naruto can really be drawn out, but let’s not forget that when they did fight, Kimimaro didn’t really bother to be quick (at least it seemed so from the Anime series), he defended himself from the attacks. If he tries this with different speed, I see him ending this much faster.

On to the main fight, I see CS 2 Sasuke taking out Shino much faster than team Sarutobi (him and Enma) running out of stamina. Sasuke should from now on help Sarutobi. The black Chidori that Sasuke is able to use is probably comparable in strength to Raikiri, or at least is capable of taking out the Doton armor. This, or Kakuzu will simply realize that his strength and speed isn’t enough to kill the three (Sarutobi, Enma and Sasuke). He will take out the Ghosts.

Now let me go back to the Naruto fight for a bit. One can argue a million years about what does sick Kimimaro exactly mean. He was able to suffer quite a bit before dying from sickness, so if he speeds things up I don’t think that he will die from the Naruto fight. If his death didn’t come from the fact that he was restrained to use his most powerful technique in CS 2 form, then Kimimaro should be able to handle the fight.

Main fight continued… Kakuzu lives up to his name and takes out the tentacle heaven, and the ghosts. At this point, he will be able to use various good combinations of elemental and fast physical attacks. Sarutobi will be the one to defend from the Suiton, Katon, Raiton. While Sasuke will be the one to deal with Fuuton attacks. (NOTE: Here I’ll simply assume that the Doton heart is gone. If Choji, Shika controlled Hidan and Kakashi could do it, then Enma, Sarutobi and Sasuke should also be able to. Besides, we don’t know what Doton attacks he knew in the first place). Enma will deal with the tentacle attacks, obviously Kakuzu has good combinations, but if there’s one person for the element (two if it is a combined element of fuuton and raiton/katon/suiton), and two (combined = one) for the tentacles, he doesn’t stand a chance. Eventually Sarutobi will realize that taking out the remaining ghosts will be quite a tough deal, and with the help of Sasuke, Enma’s cage and death God, I see him dying, desummoning Enma and killing Kakuzu. That, or the same with the newly arrived Kimimaro.

At the end of the fight I see a tired Sasuke and an Ino survivor.

That’s probably all I could write today.

[The Truth]

When I saw The Truth's team for the first time I thought he had prepared an evil, mysterious plan. But it seems it's more like experiment. Anyhow I will chose the winner after Raikage's statement.
Yeah its an experiment but that doesn't mean it is 100% free of my evil genius.smile-big

Naruto won't go Kyuubi mode unless someone important to him recives lethal damage.
Why not? This is the BD, don't characters go all out? Or should Lee never remove his weights or use Ura Renge?

I think "The Truth's" team needs someone better than these shitty pre-skip jerks. However, I still think they win.
Hey these shitty pre-skip jerks serve a special purpose, I just haven't revealed the big picture yet.

I think Raikage team is a good match up for the truth's team because Raikage has two ninjas that could pierce his iron skin. That would be sasuke and Kimimaro. Once the earth mask is taken out Sandiame can go to work.
Even if they were lucky enough to take out the earth mask, they'd most likely die in the process. Kakuzu is fast enough to outrun the sharingan and strong enough to take a punch from a fully released bijuu.

Stamina was'nt an issue for Sandaime in the Oro fight. It should'nt be considered an issue in this fight either.
? Stamina was the biggest issue in the Oro fight:
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/111-120/120/Naruto%20-%20120%20-%2014.jpg

either CS2 Kimimaro or Sasuke could take out all the pre-skip memebers on The Truths team. I'd say CS2 sasuke could do it rather quickly. Naruto going kyuubi wont matter, because the naruto of Zabuza's arc could'nt form one tail and as we all know CS2 sasuke could have killed naruto Kyuubi with one tail.

Can Sasuke maintain CS2 long enough to eliminate all of my preskip characters, in a forest? This isn't the VoTE, it isn't a big open landscape where you can see for miles ahead. This is a forest, where Kankuro/Shino are at an advantage. And since both Kimimaro and Sasuke are on a time limit, they can't both defeat my whole team and then be expected to take one of Kakuzu's hearts.
I'd say Sandiame , Kimimaro and CS2 Sasuke would be enough to defeat kakuza. Shikimaru could use shadow bind and have Ino use her mind transfer jutsu but that would be pointless because if anyone attacks Kakuza Ino will get hurt too. So Shikimaru and Ino are probably out of this fight. .
How would they be enough? Kimimaro and Sasuke would be useless against Kakuzu. Sasuke, unlike Kakashi, can't counter Gian(the s ranked raiton) and that would definately cut through Kimaro's bones. Since Lightning beats earth, it would blow right throw Sandaime's earth defense as well.
Hmm it could go either way but I think Sandaime can hold his own against Kakuza, and with the help of Kimimaro and sasuke; they could win.
"Hold is own" is about all Sandaime could do, for a short while. It's a bad matchup from him because Kakauzu uses elemental jutsus just like Sandaime, only stronger. Kimimaro has nothing that can defeat Kakuzu and neither does Sasuke.

The Truth’s team has Kakuzu to work out a strategy, which probably he is capable of, however Kakuzu won’t be cooperating with any of them, in my opinion, simply because he is of a much higher level, and he will see his teammates as a setback for his own fight. This doesn’t necessarily go for Sarutobi, as Kakuzu’s first few moves may encourage him to get a fighting partner in order to win (a fighting partner who isn’t Enma, of course).
While Kakuzu may not want to fight as a team, it'd be in his best interest to do so. Kakuzu has shown himself to be very cautious, and smart as well. He was able to deduce Shikamaru's plan and counter it, and as a result was able to save Hidan.

That being said, he is still very strong, fast and versatile. (Note: although Kakuzu’s only real show of body speed was shown at the Kakashi – Raikiri run, he is definitely faster than Kakashi, but we don’t know how predictable his movements are with that speed, as Kakashi couldn’t probably sense much happenings around him after forming the Raikiri. A good example for this would be the Zabuza fight, where Kakashi didn’t sense an incoming Haku, [though in this case Haku could’ve just ported there right before the impact]).
The whole point of the sharingan+Raikiri is to see your opponents counterattack, Kakuzu simply overwhelmed the sharingan's predicative ability.
I am however quite sure that with Enma, and without ghosts (yet) Sarutobi
will be will be able to defend himself, Enma is really agile and quite strong (Shodai - zombie hit?), and can probably be enough of an assist for Sarutobi (for now).

Enma isn't actually that strong, he was unable to escape Oro's snake bind jutsu.

You'll also notice that i didn't respond to the rest of your post. thats because your interpretation is reliant upon your team getting favorable matchups and on Sasuke and Kimimaro being anything more than an annoyance to Kakuzu. It'd take forever to go through each one, so i'll just list how each member of my team matches up against yours:

Kakuzu
-Is stronger then Sasuke at everything. Sasuke might be able to kill his earth heart.
-Kimimaro's bone attacks won't be able to harm Kakuzu, while Kakuzu's physical attacks may not be able to harm Kimimaro. However, Kakuzu elemental attacks(specifically his raiton) can not only harm Kimiamro but create an opening for his tentacle attacks.
-Sarutobi's elemental jutsus aren't strong enough to match Kakuzu's, neither can his taijustu skills(if he gets to close he'd get strangled). Enma might be a good option for a while but if Oro could bind him with snakes, then Kakuzu could bind him with tentacles and rip out his heart.
-Kakuzu already fought a stronger version of Shikmaru and his more effective shadow jutsus. Kage mane simply isn't enough.

Shino
-Sasuke would beat him, though he'd have to fight off his bugs as well(they can attack simultaneously as shown against Zaku).
-Kimimaro could beat him, though the bugs could deplete some of his chakra.
-Sarutobi obviously would win with minimal effort.
-Shika would lose plain and simple. As i explained above, the bugs could eat his shadows, even if Shino is trapped.

Kankuro
-Sasuke would win, his sharingan can see chakra strings making it hard to hide.
-Kimi would win but would have to get close and its hard to avoid the poison gas.
-Sarutobi obviously.
-Shika would put up a good fight, i'm not sure who'd come out on top.

Naruto
Sasuke could beat him
Kimimaro could beat him.
Sarutobi could beat him.
Shikamaru doesn't have the charkra to shadow bind him.

[Feral]

You bring up a lot of great points Truth, I just would like to know how you address a battlefield manipulation..

Kankuro and Shino can't really stay concealed or perform their best if a Katon burns down half the forest.. though I do realize they aren't incredibly important to the strategy, it is still a factor.

[The Truth]

Kankuro and Shino can't really stay concealed or perform their best if a Katon burns down half the forest.. though I do realize they aren't incredibly important to the strategy, it is still a factor.
The Forest of Death is pretty big, I doubt their katons would destroy the place. The most they could do is effect the immediate area where the fight is taking place. But with so many trees in all directions there will alway be places to hide. It'd be easier to knock down a tree, then burn one down.

[Spell]

Yeah its an experiment but that doesn't mean it is 100% free of my evil genius.
I see :evil

Why not? This is the BD, don't characters go all out? Or should Lee never remove his weights or use Ura Renge?
Well weights are completely different matter. Lee can simply remove the weights simply by using his hands. He doesn't heve to be mental unstable.

Naruto won't go Kyuubi mode just by his will. He has to run amok.
I doubt it is possible in this fight. Furthermore didn't we determined that personal connections doesn't count in this tournament?

When I was preparing the tier list, my intention was to not list Naruto from Wave arc with an ability to go Kyuubi mode. If I wanted to do so I would list him much higher.

Besides I believe Naruto's power in Kyuubi mode was at least comparable to KN1. Why? Because that time seal was nearly broken, there were NO TAILS, but Kyuubi just materialized himself. Therefore it was much more than tail mode. However it is just my assumption.

[Redux-shika boo]

Kakuzu goes on a rampage ladies and gentlemen. Poor Sarutobi doesn't have the stamina to compete the Mr. Tentacles, and his elemental jutsus(which seems to make up the majority of Saru's arsenal) would all be overwhelmed and countered by Kakuzu. The only real problem is Enma, who could be binded with tentacles and subdued(Oro's snakes did so with minimal effort).

Shino can't be shadow bound by Shikamaru because his chakra eating bugs operate independently of him and could obviously eat the shadows. And in the forest, his bugs would have many places to hide and attack from several directions as shown in his fight with Kankuro.

I chose Naruto specifically because during the Wave Arc, his Kyuubi mode could deflect projectiles(bone bullets) and allows him the ability to heal his injuries. His speed allowed him to grab Haku who was traveling in between the mirrors.

Kankuro, like Shino also has the locational advantage because he can hide and use his puppet to attack. Also his poison gas would only hasten Kimimaro's assured demise.

Anyhow, the way i see it is Kakuzu, after dealing with Sarutobi can play cleanup with whoever is left. I'd assume that'd be Kimimaro and Sasuke, both in pretty bad condition.

I agree with some parts. Like, I really don't think Sarutobi has enough stamina to match Kakuzu in banging out elemental jutsu.. Moreover, Kakuzu can go into that mode were he starts mixing elements together and firing them off. Plus, it's not like Kakuzu isn't a smart fighter. Also, I'd like to add that Enma extending to smack Kakuzu would do little good because Kakuzu has his Earth Jutsu defense to protect him. Still, I think Sandaime and him would be going at it for awhile and that they would have a good fight, which isn't necessarily a win for Kakuzu. Lastly, I doubt Enma would trapped so easily by the tentacles, because he can transform and probably get bigger.

Moving on, Shino would stomp that stage shikamaru like you pointed out, but that was if shika was fighting alone and unaided. However, since he's a team type of guy and that this is a team battle, I doubt that would be the case.

As for the others, that stage Kyuubi Naruto dealing with Kimi makes no sense. Kimi is fast himself, has amazing taijutsu, and can make bones come out all over his body in cs1. Plus, naruto didn't show the kind of healing he'd need to survive those kind of hits. Incidently, Naruto probably can't even hurt kimi. Finally, Kankuro is completle food for Sasuke using sharigan and reading the strings. Not to mention Sasuke's raw power is high enough to just barge all about in the forest to make Kankuro's hiding useless.

So while I agree one on one Sarutobi and Shino would likely lose to Kakuzu and that stage shika, in a team fight Kakuzu has to many powerhouses with good moves to deal with here. Moreover, Kakuzu vs Sarutobi isn't like it an easy fight anyway, and I'd say he only has a slight advanatge there.

So imma go with the other team.

[Kung Lao]

Yeah its an experiment but that doesn't mean it is 100% free of my evil genius.smile-big

I too respect the fact that you actually chose a different orientation than to pick Sarutobi, this, your choice of Kakuzu and the fact that you seem to be really calm when arguing deserves reputation. Although my altering power is really weak, but nevermind.
By the way, I have a question.. Did you vote on this poll yet? If not, I won't vote either.


While Kakuzu may not want to fight as a team, it'd be in his best interest to do so. Kakuzu has shown himself to be very cautious, and smart as well. He was able to deduce Shikamaru's plan and counter it, and as a result was able to save Hidan.

Raikage: That is true, however Kakuzu's masks (in particular the Fuuton one) is too much for everyone, that goes for the puppet also. He might think of some tentacle combinations, or ghost attact distraction and attack from behind by say bugs, still it would require much more time than they get with the "no prep. time" thing. (No prep. time doesn't really mean that they'll attack each other head on without thinking, but it does limit them to a short amount as I see it.)

The whole point of the sharingan+Raikiri is to see your opponents counterattack, Kakuzu simply overwhelmed the sharingan's predicative ability.

Raikage: If this is true (I am not sure about it), then I'd still like to bring up the counter argument that Kakashi's body isn't an "Uchiha body" and even though it may not be a serious factor, he does only have one Sharingan eye.

Enma isn't actually that strong, he was unable to escape Oro's snake bind jutsu.

Raikage: Well, the snake bind was when Enma was in the Pole form, controlled by Sarutobi. Sarutobi did a frontal attack which resulted in this. Also, I don't really doubt that Enma won't get caught, I doubt that Kakuzu will be able to do something to him, there will be at least Sarutobi to cast off something in case the entangling happens.

You'll also notice that i didn't respond to the rest of your post. thats because your interpretation is reliant upon your team getting favorable matchups and on Sasuke and Kimimaro being anything more than an annoyance to Kakuzu. It'd take forever to go through each one, so i'll just list how each member of my team matches up against yours:

Kakuzu
-Is stronger then Sasuke at everything. Sasuke might be able to kill his earth heart.
-Kimimaro's bone attacks won't be able to harm Kakuzu, while Kakuzu's physical attacks may not be able to harm Kimimaro. However, Kakuzu elemental attacks(specifically his raiton) can not only harm Kimiamro but create an opening for his tentacle attacks.
-Sarutobi's elemental jutsus aren't strong enough to match Kakuzu's, neither can his taijustu skills(if he gets to close he'd get strangled). Enma might be a good option for a while but if Oro could bind him with snakes, then Kakuzu could bind him with tentacles and rip out his heart.
-Kakuzu already fought a stronger version of Shikmaru and his more effective shadow jutsus. Kage mane simply isn't enough.

Shino
-Sasuke would beat him, though he'd have to fight off his bugs as well(they can attack simultaneously as shown against Zaku).
-Kimimaro could beat him, though the bugs could deplete some of his chakra.
-Sarutobi obviously would win with minimal effort.
-Shika would lose plain and simple. As i explained above, the bugs could eat his shadows, even if Shino is trapped.

Kankuro
-Sasuke would win, his sharingan can see chakra strings making it hard to hide.
-Kimi would win but would have to get close and its hard to avoid the poison gas.
-Sarutobi obviously.
-Shika would put up a good fight, i'm not sure who'd come out on top.

Naruto
Sasuke could beat him
Kimimaro could beat him.
Sarutobi could beat him.
Shikamaru doesn't have the charkra to shadow bind him.

Raikage: Well, I did state the only really (in my opinion, though I see the Shino vs. Shika as a dis. now that I think of it) disfavorable matchup before starting the "junior" fight of my post. Both of us agree that Sarutobi is likely to lose to Kakuzu one on one and the rest of my team is stronger than the rest of yours. So my only way out is to aid Sarutobi.
It is true that the "junior" matchups can't be just simplified into 1 vs 1, but in "reality" it would then basically go down to 3 vs. 4, and it would end sooner or later in my favor. The only question then is if it can end before Sarutobi ends?

[The Truth]

Well weights are completely different matter. Lee can simply remove the weights simply by using his hands. He doesn't heve to be mental unstable.
No in order to remove his weights, he has to be protecting precious people:
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/081-090/082/naruto-10-1-11.jpg
And can only use Ura Renge to uphold his nindo:
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/081-090/085/naruto-10-4-11.jpg
So if we follow your line of reasoning then those conditions won't be present.
Naruto won't go Kyuubi mode just by his will. He has to run amok.
I doubt it is possible in this fight. Furthermore didn't we determined that personal connections doesn't count in this tournament?
When has Naruto ever been beaten to a pulp and Kyuubi didn't come out? Personal connections aren't necessary, if he getting killled Kyuubi will have to protect him.

When I was preparing the tier list, my intention was to not list Naruto from Wave arc with an ability to go Kyuubi mode. If I wanted to do so I would list him much higher.
I saw no specifications on his ranking, thats why i picked him. If you want to limit him thats fine, you should consult Kuya then.
Lastly, I doubt Enma would trapped so easily by the tentacles, because he can transform and probably get bigger.
He was trapped easily and saving Sarutobi's life would have been the perfect opportunity to transform, which he didn't:
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/121-130/123/Naruto%20-%20123%20-%2017.jpg

As for the others, that stage Kyuubi Naruto dealing with Kimi makes no sense. Kimi is fast himself, has amazing taijutsu, and can make bones come out all over his body in cs1. Plus, naruto didn't show the kind of healing he'd need to survive those kind of hits. Incidently, Naruto probably can't even hurt kimi. Finally, Kankuro is completle food for Sasuke using sharigan and reading the strings. Not to mention Sasuke's raw power is high enough to just barge all about in the forest to make Kankuro's hiding useless.
When did I say otherwise, i said that Kyuubi Naruto could deflect projectiles. He was also able to heal all of Naruto's wounds from Haku.
So while I agree one on one Sarutobi and Shino would likely lose to Kakuzu and that stage shika, in a team fight Kakuzu has to many powerhouses with good moves to deal with here. Moreover, Kakuzu vs Sarutobi isn't like it an easy fight anyway, and I'd say he only has a slight advanatge there.
Who exactly are the "powerhouses"? Sasuke can't sustain CS2 forever and neither can Kimimaro. Neither of those two are on the level of Kakashi who was getting tossed around like a rag doll by Kakuzu. In the time it takes for Sasuke and Kimimaro to defeat Shino, Kankuro and Naruto, Kakuzu could be well on his way to defeating Sarutobi.

And when it comes to defeating multiples opponents Kakuzu has shown his best skill. He took on Izumo, Kotetsu and Asuma. After that, Kakashi, Chouji, Shikamaru and Kakashi. And if Shikamaru's plan postskip failed to work, i fail to see what plan he could come up with preksip that would be better.
I too respect the fact that you actually chose a different orientation than to pick Sarutobi, this, your choice of Kakuzu and the fact that you seem to be really calm when arguing deserves reputation. Although my altering power is really weak, but nevermind.
By the way, I have a question.. Did you vote on this poll yet? If not, I won't vote either.
I chose a different team because I didn't want to have a similar team to anyone else, win or lose. Oh yeah, and you don't have to rep me though i appreciate the sentiment. I didn't vote on the poll only because i never vote for anything on NF, its out of habit really. You can vote if you want.
That is true, however Kakuzu's masks (in particular the Fuuton one) is too much for everyone, that goes for the puppet also. He might think of some tentacle combinations, or ghost attact distraction and attack from behind by say bugs, still it would require much more time than they get with the "no prep. time" thing. (No prep. time doesn't really mean that they'll attack each other head on without thinking, but it does limit them to a short amount as I see it.)
I don't expect Kakuzu to think up an elaborate strategy but I do think he'd be mindful of his teammates. by that i mean trying not to blow them up. But really, i'd expect Shino, Naruto and Kankuro to devise a strategy amongst themselves.
Raikage: If this is true (I am not sure about it), then I'd still like to bring up the counter argument that Kakashi's body isn't an "Uchiha body" and even though it may not be a serious factor, he does only have one Sharingan eye.
I'll clarify a little, Kakashi created raikri but Yondaime told him not to use it:
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/231-240/240/naruto_ch240_p14.png
So basically at the speed he's running, he can't see what his opponent is doing. But the sharingan "completes" raikiri because he can predict movement with it. So if what your saying is true, then having a sharingan doesn't help Kakashi that much.
Raikage: Well, the snake bind was when Enma was in the Pole form, controlled by Sarutobi. Sarutobi did a frontal attack which resulted in this. Also, I don't really doubt that Enma won't get caught, I doubt that Kakuzu will be able to do something to him, there will be at least Sarutobi to cast off something in case the entangling happens.
After Enma got caught he reverted back to his original form and still couldn't escape. So if Sandaime tries to free Enma(which is smart) then that leaves him open to attack.

Raikage: Well, I did state the only really (in my opinion, though I see the Shino vs. Shika as a dis. now that I think of it) disfavorable matchup before starting the "junior" fight of my post. Both of us agree that Sarutobi is likely to lose to Kakuzu one on one and the rest of my team is stronger than the rest of yours. So my only way out is to aid Sarutobi.
It is true that the "junior" matchups can't be just simplified into 1 vs 1, but in "reality" it would then basically go down to 3 vs. 4, and it would end sooner or later in my favor. The only question then is if it can end before Sarutobi ends?
Even if your junior team would defeat mine(which would happen eventually), what condition will they be in? And how many of Kakuzu's hearts can Sandaime kill? I believe, like you do, that it will come down to Kakuzu vs, Sasuke and Kimimaro. But this seems to be where we disagree because even if Kakuzu is somewhat in bad shape he'd still be stronger then the two of them. I mean he was down two hearts and still almost killed both Kakashi and Naruto.

[Spell]

No in order to remove his weights, he has to be protecting precious people:
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/081-090/082/naruto-10-1-11.jpg
And can only use Ura Renge to uphold his nindo:
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/081-090/085/naruto-10-4-11.jpg
So if we follow your line of reasoning then those conditions won't be present.
It is still determined by his will. Kyuubi mode not necessarily. Naruto wasn't able to control Kyuubi's chakra before Jiraiya taught him.

When has Naruto ever been beaten to a pulp and Kyuubi didn't come out? Personal connections aren't necessary, if he getting killled Kyuubi will have to protect him.
Actually during the Sannin fight Naruto didn't go Kyuubi mode, and was beaten.

I saw no specifications on his ranking, thats why i picked him. If you want to limit him thats fine, you should consult Kuya then.
We should improve the tier list after trial. At this moment limitations wouldn't be wise and fair.:nod

[The Truth]

It is still determined by his will. Kyuubi mode not necessarily. Naruto wasn't able to control Kyuubi's chakra before Jiraiya taught him.
Yes, but you said that Naruto wouldn't go Kyuubi unless someone important to him is hurt. Well Lee won't remove his weights unless someone precious is hurt. It's the same roadblock we're encountering regardless of whose will it is. If we follow your reasoning then Lee can't remove his weights. I however choose to believe that characters will fight their hardest until they reach the limitations shown.
Actually during the Sannin fight Naruto didn't go Kyuubi mode, and was beaten.
Thats because the muscles in his heart were cut, which made it impossible for him to use Kyuubi to heal is wounds.

[Kai]

I believe CS2 Sasuke can take on the other 3 people on Truth's team.

Old Sarutobi, Kimmi, and Shikamaru could probably take down Kakuzu with severe difficulty. Sarutobi can use Shiki Fuujin, or Kimmimaro can use the last dance: Sawarabi No Mai for the final strike.

My vote goes to Raikage.

[The Truth]

I believe CS2 Sasuke can take on the other 3 people on Truth's team.
In a forest, Sasuke is just going to hunt down Kyuubified Naruto, Shino and Kankurou and kill them all before burning out? Then on top of that you expect him to fight Kakuzu?
Sarutobi can use Shiki Fuujin,
Sarutobi has to establish physical contact with his opponent to perform that justu:
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/121-130/123/Naruto%20-%20123%20-%2017.jpg
Sandaime would get tentacle raped if he got thyat close, since even if he bound Kakuzu's arms, the tentacles could still come from his mouth.
or Kimmimaro can use the last dance: Sawarabi No Mai for the final strike.
If Kimimaro used Sawarbi No Mai, he'd kill whoever is left on his team. Kakuzu on the other hand would survive, firstly because he can separate his hearts from his body. Secondly, he has his iron skin to provide protection.

[Gooba]

It's a bad matchup from him because Kakauzu uses elemental jutsus just like Sandaime, only stronger.I don't see why you say that. Sandaime's justsus were all very impressive and were countering huge attacks.

Watching Old Sandaime fighting 3 Kage level nins and almost coming to a draw was a lot more impressive to me than watching Kakuzu's fight against some Chuunin and 2 Jounin.

When you say he can't do anything to Kakuzu's Earth defense I don't know what you are basing that on. He has lightning jutsus and thus can use them to get through it. Just like you said that Kakuzu can use X to beat Y, so can Sandaime. After all, the is the Professor, the guy who knows all the Jutsus in Konoha (besides the bloodline ones).

[Orga777]

When you say he can't do anything to Kakuzu's Earth defense I don't know what you are basing that on. He has lightning jutsus and thus can use them to get through it. Just like you said that Kakuzu can use X to beat Y, so can Sandaime. After all, the is the Professor, the guy who knows all the Jutsus in Konoha (besides the bloodline ones).


You can't really go by that though. We have NO idea that Sarutobi can use those kinds of lightning attacks. We can't really go basing these battles with things that the characters have never shown before. We have to use what is given to us, because speculating on what powers a character has when they have never shown to have them before doesn't really work in these fights well.

[Gooba]

You can't really go by that though. We have NO idea that Sarutobi can use those kinds of lightning attacks. We can't really go basing these battles with things that the characters have never shown before. We have to use what is given to us, because speculating on what powers a character has when they have never shown to have them before doesn't really work in these fights well.So, pre-skip Tenten would defeat the Akatsuki Leader because she knows how the throw Kunais, and he can do nothing but talk and extract Bijous?

Everything we do in here is speculating. We use the evidence given to us to extrapolate what would happen when two people are facing off against each other. Saying Sandaime doesn't know lightning justus is a lot less likely than assuming he does.

[Orga777]

So, pre-skip Tenten would defeat the Akatsuki Leader because she knows how the throw Kunais, and he can do nothing but talk and extract Bijous?

Everything we do in here is speculating. We use the evidence given to us to extrapolate what would happen when two people are facing off against each other. Saying Sandaime doesn't know lightning justus is a lot less likely than assuming he does.

Do we know how STRONG those lightning jutsu are though? Can we actually say for sure that he knows Chidori for example? Because we really have no idea what he is TRULY capable of. Because if we just assume what people have, then Kakuzu has this even more so than he does because I can make the claim he has water jutsu which he never showed he had the ability to possess. You can speculate on a characters overall power, and even what he or she is or was capable of, but in these Battledome battles it is better to leave things like powers characters have never shown out since we have no way to determin what the powers are capable of.

And as for the AL thing... No, but he is in the same boat as Itachi. We have no idea what he is even capable of and he should be left out of matches until further notice.

[Kai]

In a forest, Sasuke is just going to hunt down Kyuubified Naruto, Shino and Kankurou and kill them all before burning out? Then on top of that you expect him to fight Kakuzu?
You saw the amount of time Sakon/Ukon lasted in the CS2 form, Sasuke can withstand the form before he wears out.

CS2 Sasuke > Kyuubified Naruto, and even then he only turned kyuubified unwillingly(in Zabuza arc) when Haku killed Sasuke. I don't see how he would do so in this situation.

3 tomoe Sharingan is a cinch against Kankurou + Shino, if he doesnt play around, he'd kill all 3 of them fairly quickly.

Sarutobi has to establish physical contact with his opponent to perform that justu:
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/121-130/123/Naruto%20-%20123%20-%2017.jpg
Sandaime would get tentacle raped if he got thyat close, since even if he bound Kakuzu's arms, the tentacles could still come from his mouth.
Of course, in my last post I stated that this would be a last resort jutsu or final strike. With the God of Shinobi and Shikamaru on a team, thats a deadly combo. Add in Kimmimaro and Kakuzu will have his hands(or masks) full.

If Kimimaro used Sawarbi No Mai, he'd kill whoever is left on his team. Kakuzu on the other hand would survive, firstly because he can separate his hearts from his body. Secondly, he has his iron skin to provide protection.
Again, this is for the final strike of the battle. I thought personalities of killing your teammates didn't matter in this tournament?

Of course there are many ways of going about this battle. Sarutobi summons Enma, and I'm pretty sure the monkey boss can handle the 3 shinobi on your team, Truth.

[The Truth]

I don't see why you say that. Sandaime's justsus were all very impressive and were countering huge attacks.
Sandaime was exchanging b rank elemental jutsus with Nidaime, if he tried that with Kakauzu he'd be murdered. Sandaime throws a katon, Kakuzu counters with a stronger katon. Sandaime uses his earth defense, Kakuzu destroys it with his lightning mask, that simple really.
Watching Old Sandaime fighting 3 Kage level nins and almost coming to a draw was a lot more impressive to me than watching Kakuzu's fight against some Chuunin and 2 Jounin.
Sandaime fought 2 kage level puppets whose only ability was to spam jutsus. Oro was controlling them the whole time, very different from fighting someone with stronger jutsus(mokuton excluded), who can think for himself.

When you say he can't do anything to Kakuzu's Earth defense I don't know what you are basing that on. He has lightning jutsus and thus can use them to get through it. Just like you said that Kakuzu can use X to beat Y, so can Sandaime. After all, the is the Professor, the guy who knows all the Jutsus in Konoha (besides the bloodline ones).
Where did Sandaime, the person known for being able to counter all the jutsus in Konoha get raitons from? And since when were they s ranked?
You saw the amount of time Sakon/Ukon lasted in the CS2 form, Sasuke can withstand the form before he wears out.

CS2 Sasuke > Kyuubified Naruto, and even then he only turned kyuubified unwillingly(in Zabuza arc) when Haku killed Sasuke. I don't see how he would do so in this situation.
Sakon/Ukon had an inferior CS which they had for years. Sasuke had to use a jutsu just to speed up the process. Why would you compare the two?
3 tomoe Sharingan is a cinch against Kankurou + Shino, if he doesnt play around, he'd kill all 3 of them fairly quickly.

If your that simple minded on the matter then i can't convince you. Shino and Kankuro are both intelligent and have the locational advantage, Naruto is also very resilient. If Sasuke is going to kill of all three it won't be simple. Especially when the key to beating a sharingan user is 2 on 1, in this case 3 on 1.
Of course, in my last post I stated that this would be a last resort jutsu or final strike. With the God of Shinobi and Shikamaru on a team, thats a deadly combo. Add in Kimmimaro and Kakuzu will have his hands(or masks) full.
Shikamaru would be killed by either Shino or Naruto, since he can bind neither of them. Also if you can tell me what good Kimimaro's attacks would be against Kakuzu i'd be glad to here it.

Again, this is for the final strike of the battle. I thought personalities of killing your teammates didn't matter in this tournament?
I'm saying if he kills his teammates then he'd be at a disadvantage. I made no mention of personalities. Kimimaro would kill of the majority of his team(Sandiame might survive) at wouldn't even sufficiently harm Kakuzu.

Of course there are many ways of going about this battle. Sarutobi summons Enma, and I'm pretty sure the monkey boss can handle the 3 shinobi on your team, Truth.
By himself, Enma is just a pole his effectiveness is dwarfed. All he could do is swing himself around and hope he hits something. In a forest, he could be there all night.

[Kai]

Sakon/Ukon had an inferior CS which they had for years. Sasuke had to use a jutsu just to speed up the process. Why would you compare the two?
Simply put, I was saying that Sasuke in CS2 form can kill those other nins on your team before he burns out. He will feel the after-effects of the CS of course.

If your that simple minded on the matter then i can't convince you. Shino and Kankuro are both intelligent and have the locational advantage, Naruto is also very resilient. If Sasuke is going to kill of all three it won't be simple. Especially when the key to beating a sharingan user is 2 on 1, in this case 3 on 1.
Yup, I remember dozens of Naruto Kagebunshins beating Sasuke to a pulp.

Naruto in the Zabuza arc was beyond monkey crap, Kankurou got scared facing Chuunin exam Sasuke, and I doubt Shino can match CS2 Sasuke. Not to mention that Sasuke can fly and light the forest floor with a Katon Goukakyo.

I realize it's not going to be that simple, but I don't see those 3 stand a chance against him.

Shikamaru would be killed by either Shino or Naruto, since he can bind neither of them. Also if you can tell me what good Kimimaro's attacks would be against Kakuzu i'd be glad to here it.
Er.. why can't Shikamaru bind Naruto?
As a finishing move when Kakuzu is weakened, Sawarabi no Mai is a +
Perhaps not much else.

I'm saying if he kills his teammates then he'd be at a disadvantage. I made no mention of personalities. Kimimaro would kill of the majority of his team(Sandiame might survive) at wouldn't even sufficiently harm Kakuzu.
Forget I said it then. The only time I believed Sawarabi no Mai could be used was at the end, no other point in time when the battle is in progress.

By himself, Enma is just a pole his effectiveness is dwarfed. All he could do is swing himself around and hope he hits something. In a forest, he could be there all night.
Oh, cmon.
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume14.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=21729
He can shoot his head or arms out while the rest of the body is in pole form, which is as hard as diamond.
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume14.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=21732

He shot his arm out and choked Orochimaru's neck in the anime. He has his eye when in pole form, he wouldnt be blind.

[The Truth]

Simply put, I was saying that Sasuke in CS2 form can kill those other nins on your team before he burns out. He will feel the after-effects of the CS of course.
Yes, and according to you he will go on and play an important role in defeating Kakuzu. Which is nonsense, not only because he isn't strong enough but because he won't be in any condition to do so.
Yup, I remember dozens of Naruto Kagebunshins beating Sasuke to a pulp.
Nice try, but Kage Bunshins that go poof if you sneeze on them can't be compared to real ninjas.
Naruto in the Zabuza arc was beyond monkey crap,
Whose talking about Base Naruto? Once again, nice try but i'm talking about Kyuubi Naruto. You know the one who did what Sasuke couldn't? The one who was fast enough to catch Haku in between mirrors and whose chakra could deflect weapons?

Kankurou got scared facing Chuunin exam Sasuke,
Scan please, i don't know what part your referring to. This is the only interaction i recall:
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/121-130/124/Naruto%20-%20124%20-%2017.jpg

and I doubt Shino can match CS2 Sasuke. Not to mention that Sasuke can fly and light the forest floor with a Katon Goukakyo.
Shino doesn't have to "match" CS2 Sasuke, Naruto and Kankuro along with Shino should be more then enough to match Sasuke. Until Sasuke is either defeated or he beats them but is no condition to continue fighting. Oh yeah, and lighting the forest floor on fire makes no sense since they can just as easily fight in the trees.

I realize it's not going to be that simple, but I don't see those 3 stand a chance against him.
What you don't see is becoming quite obvious Your comparing Sasuke's emotional one on one fight with Naruto, that involved bashing each others heads in, to a fight that would be quite different. Where both Kank and Shino are cool headed and won't fight Sasuke head on.
Er.. why can't Shikamaru bind Naruto?
Doesn't have the chakra necessary to bind Kyuubi Naruto.
As a finishing move when Kakuzu is weakened, Sawarabi no Mai is a +
Perhaps not much else.
How weakened? He has to be killed 5 times and only Sarutobi is strong enough to take a heart.
Oh, cmon.
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume14.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=21729
He can shoot his head or arms out while the rest of the body is in pole form, which is as hard as diamond.
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume14.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=21732
He hasn't shown the ability to both move on his own and stick his limbs out. That is why Sarutobi controls him.
He shot his arm out and choked Orochimaru's neck in the anime. He has his eye when in pole form, he wouldnt be blind.
Did I say he was blind? I say he'd be swinging himself around trying to hit people in a forest. the best he could do on his own was destroy branches against Oro. As for the anime, well if it didn't happen in the manga then it is irrelevant.

[Spell]

Yes, but you said that Naruto wouldn't go Kyuubi unless someone important to him is hurt. Well Lee won't remove his weights unless someone precious is hurt. It's the same roadblock we're encountering regardless of whose will it is. If we follow your reasoning then Lee can't remove his weights.
Kyuubi mode was irrespective of his will. Lee can remove weights and go gates because he is able to do it by his will.

I however choose to believe that characters will fight their hardest until they reach the limitations shown.
I understand, we have to improve tier list and the rules, many things are messed up and can be interpeted in different ways :/

Thats because the muscles in his heart were cut, which made it impossible for him to use Kyuubi to heal is wounds.
During Neji vs Naruto fight he was able to use Kyuubi's power even his vital points were blocked up.

[The Truth]

Kyuubi mode was irrespective of his will. Lee can remove weights and go gates because he is able to do it by his will.
You said Naruto won't go Kyuubi unless important people are hurt, did you not? Well Lee cannot remove his weights without similar restrictions. It doesn't matter whether or not Lee can decide to take off his weights, he won't because the situation has to warrant it. Therefore, your line of logic makes that impossible.

During Neji vs Naruto fight he was able to use Kyuubi's power even his vital points were blocked up.
Naruto's vital points weren't even touched, it was his tenketsu that were sealed.Those tenketsu made it impossible for Naruto to access his regular chakra, but as you know Naruto has two sets:
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/101-110/103/naruto-12-4-11.png
Kabuto specifically aimed to stop Naruto's healing ability, he had knowledge of Kyuubi:
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/161-170/168/Naruto_c168_10.png

[Kai]

Yes, and according to you he will go on and play an important role in defeating Kakuzu. Which is nonsense, not only because he isn't strong enough but because he won't be in any condition to do so.
and.... when have I even IMPLIED this? I understand full well Sasuke doesn't have any hope against Kakuzu, no need to put words in my mouth.

Nice try, but Kage Bunshins that go poof if you sneeze on them can't be compared to real ninjas.
Then Mizuki, a supposedly Chuunin, should have defeated fresh out of academy Naruto with extreme ease.

Where did you get the key to defeating Sharingan..?

Whose talking about Base Naruto? Once again, nice try but i'm talking about Kyuubi Naruto. You know the one who did what Sasuke couldn't? The one who was fast enough to catch Haku in between mirrors and whose chakra could deflect weapons?
Ok first of all, we should stop assuming that Naruto will even have the ability to go kyuubified in this situation.
Cmon, does he really have strong connections with KANKUROU..? Or Shino, who seems to hang out with himself most of the time?

Plus, remember Kyuubi Naruto getting wtfpwned by 3 tomoe Sasuke who had no CS involved.

Scan please, i don't know what part your referring to. This is the only interaction i recall:
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/121-130/124/Naruto%20-%20124%20-%2017.jpg
My apologies, I'm still dwelling on the anime.

Shino doesn't have to "match" CS2 Sasuke, Naruto and Kankuro along with Shino should be more then enough to match Sasuke. Until Sasuke is either defeated or he beats them but is no condition to continue fighting. Oh yeah, and lighting the forest floor on fire makes no sense since they can just as easily fight in the trees.

What you don't see is becoming quite obvious Your comparing Sasuke's emotional one on one fight with Naruto, that involved bashing each others heads in, to a fight that would be quite different. Where both Kank and Shino are cool headed and won't fight Sasuke head on.
I'm viewing this fight as when Gaara was vsing Sasuke in the forest. Gaara was enraged and was about pure destruction. Sasuke had to perform some planning while avoiding Gaara.

He still got his ass handed to him in the end, and its a similar scenaro here. CS2 Sasuke understands that he doesn't have time to dick around, and will try to finish the battle once he spots Shino or Kankurou.

Doesn't have the chakra necessary to bind Kyuubi Naruto.
That's assuming he would even be able to make that transformation.

How weakened? He has to be killed 5 times and only Sarutobi is strong enough to take a heart.
Do you think Sarutobi doesn't know S Rank elemental jutsus? He was the God of Shinobi who specialized especially in Doton and Katon jutsus.

Due to his age, he most likely couldn't take down Kakuzu, but with Shikamaru's mind who could calmly think up 6-7 strategies a second against Temari, he could probably pull something off.

It wouldn't be so hard having Enma and CS2 Kimmimaro by his side.

He hasn't shown the ability to both move on his own and stick his limbs out. That is why Sarutobi controls him.

Did I say he was blind? I say he'd be swinging himself around trying to hit people in a forest. the best he could do on his own was destroy branches against Oro. As for the anime, well if it didn't happen in the manga then it is irrelevant.

The first scan I posted was when Enma first appeared. He henged into the Nyo Boi, and he slammed the tree trunk off of Sarutobi because the Shodai restrained him with his Mokuton jutsu.

I understand that you want to be the victor in this battle, and you're making an excellent argument to make yourself win. I wouldn't blame you.

[Spell]

You said Naruto won't go Kyuubi unless important people are hurt, did you not?
Yes, but I added another restriction: he has to run amok.
Well Lee cannot remove his weights without similar restrictions. It doesn't matter whether or not Lee can decide to take off his weights, he won't because the situation has to warrant it. Therefore, your line of logic makes that impossible.
These restrictions aren't similar. Lee can't remove weight's because of rules Gai gave him. Naruto can't go Kyuubi mode because he don't know how to do it.

Lee can take off his weights, if he had to protect his teammates. Therefore in this tournament he is able to do it.

Naruto's vital points weren't even touched, it was his tenketsu that were sealed.
That's what I meant.
Those tenketsu made it impossible for Naruto to access his regular chakra, but as you know Naruto has two sets:
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/101-110/103/naruto-12-4-11.png
Kabuto specifically aimed to stop Naruto's healing ability, he had knowledge of Kyuubi:
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/161-170/168/Naruto_c168_10.png
Kabuto didn't know how powerfull is Kyuubi's healing power. During the fight in Valley of the End Naruto was able to heal much more severe damage.

[The Truth]

Yes, but I added another restriction: he has to run amok.
These restrictions aren't similar. Lee can't remove weight's because of rules Gai gave him. Naruto can't go Kyuubi mode because he don't know how to do it.
Lee can take off his weights, if he had to protect his teammates. Therefore in this tournament he is able to do it.
No, he has to protect precious people. Who gets to decide who is precious to Lee? I could just as easily say that his teammates aren't precious to him, or that Lee doesn't feel the need to protect them. Even then he still wouldn't be able to use Ura Renge because he'd never have to protect his nindo. So you have encountered a flaw in your logic which you have to resolve. Either characters go all out because thats what their supposed to do, or they don't(which is what your suggesting). As for Naruto, he doesn't have to consciously access Kyuubi as has been shown, he only needs to be unable to defeat his opponent any other way.

Kabuto didn't know how powerfull is Kyuubi's healing power. During the fight in Valley of the End Naruto was able to heal much more severe damage.
:notrust Kabuto was aware of Kyuubi and took steps to specifically stop it from healing Naruto. VoTE has nothing to do with this. So your original point that Naruto didn't go Kyuubi in the Sannin fight is flawed, because he was unable.
and.... when have I even IMPLIED this? I understand full well Sasuke doesn't have any hope against Kakuzu, no need to put words in my mouth.
Whose putting words in your mouth?
Originally Posted by Space View Post
I believe CS2 Sasuke can take on the other 3 people on Truth's team.
In a forest, Sasuke is just going to hunt down Kyuubified Naruto, Shino and Kankurou and kill them all before burning out? Then on top of that you expect him to fight Kakuzu?
So either your suggesting that Sasuke defeats the three of them, then fights Kakuzu or he dies after he kills Shino/Naruto/Kankuro. So your right, you didn't say it but I must ask, which one is it?
Then Mizuki, a supposedly Chuunin, should have defeated fresh out of academy Naruto with extreme ease.
Kage Bunshins can't be compared to real ninjas and being a chuunin doesn't mean your a capable fighter.

Where did you get the key to defeating Sharingan..?
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/251-260/257/naruto_ch257_p06.png

Ok first of all, we should stop assuming that Naruto will even have the ability to go kyuubified in this situation.
Cmon, does he really have strong connections with KANKUROU..? Or Shino, who seems to hang out with himself most of the time?
Whose assuming anything? If Naruto is getting beat within an inch of his life Kyuubi will have to protect him to ensure his own survival. This has been shown over and over. if his comrades are getting whooped then even more reason to try and help.

Plus, remember Kyuubi Naruto getting wtfpwned by 3 tomoe Sasuke who had no CS involved.

I remember quite clearly, but Sasuke according to you, will by fighting three people at once.
I'm viewing this fight as when Gaara was vsing Sasuke in the forest. Gaara was enraged and was about pure destruction. Sasuke had to perform some planning while avoiding Gaara.
Except Gaara was an enraged beast and was Sasuke's only opponent.
He still got his ass handed to him in the end, and its a similar scenaro here. CS2 Sasuke understands that he doesn't have time to dick around, and will try to finish the battle once he spots Shino or Kankurou.
Yes but understand that to attack one is to leave himself open for another. he doesn't have eyes in the back of his head.

That's assuming he would even be able to make that transformation.
Even without the transformation he'd be hard to bind, Naruto's chakra capacity is far above Shikamaru's.

Do you think Sarutobi doesn't know S Rank elemental jutsus? He was the God of Shinobi who specialized especially in Doton and Katon jutsus.
To use a jutsu to its highest level(s ranked or higher in Naruto's case) you need that element's affinity. You can only have one affinity but Kakuzu has five. Therefore, all of Sarutobi's elemental jutsus could either be matched or overpowered.
Due to his age, he most likely couldn't take down Kakuzu, but with Shikamaru's mind who could calmly think up 6-7 strategies a second against Temari, he could probably pull something off.

Shikamaru is a liability. He can think of strategies by the second but formulating plans is a different matter. There is no preptime, so unless he calls a timeout, he'd be useless.
It wouldn't be so hard having Enma and CS2 Kimmimaro by his side.
Kimimaro strength is taijutsu, which he can't use against Kakuzu because he'd get tentacled. Enma would get tentacled and killed, which would have happen against Oro if the death god didn't come out. Seriously, no one has performed better against multiple opponents then Kakuzu.
The first scan I posted was when Enma first appeared. He henged into the Nyo Boi, and he slammed the tree trunk off of Sarutobi because the Shodai restrained him with his Mokuton jutsu.
Yes, and as I said he hasn't shown the ability to both move and stick his limbs out when he's not being controlled.
I understand that you want to be the victor in this battle, and you're making an excellent argument to make yourself win. I wouldn't blame you.
I'm not concerned with winning, this is just a trial. I would however, like for my team to be represented properly. I knew the likelihood of me winning was slim if I was matched against Sandiame or Kimimaro, not because they were strong but because of how they are percieved. The anime made Sandaime look better then he was(he's kage level don't get me wrong) and Kimimaro is strong but faced a favorable matchup against Gaara/Lee.

[Kai]

Whose putting words in your mouth?
I said "other 3 ninjas on your team" meaning Kankurou, Naruto, and Shino.

So either your suggesting that Sasuke defeats the three of them, then fights Kakuzu or he dies after he kills Shino/Naruto/Kankuro. So your right, you didn't say it but I must ask, which one is it?
You must have quoted someone else because I didn't write that statement.

Kage Bunshins can't be compared to real ninjas and being a chuunin doesn't mean your a capable fighter.


http://devilbox.dead.org/n/251-260/257/naruto_ch257_p06.png
Well we have a 2 v 1 here...Sasuke + Naruto vs a Zabuza mizubunshin, and they were getting their asses handed to them.


Whose assuming anything? If Naruto is getting beat within an inch of his life Kyuubi will have to protect him to ensure his own survival. This has been shown over and over. if his comrades are getting whooped then even more reason to try and help.
I just don't see Naruto going kyuubified here. He didn't go kyuubified after being knocked out by Orochimaru. The Sound Nins could have killed him and Sasuke who were sleeping and dreaming of sheep.

I remember quite clearly, but Sasuke according to you, will by fighting three people at once.

Except Gaara was an enraged beast and was Sasuke's only opponent.

Yes but understand that to attack one is to leave himself open for another. he doesn't have eyes in the back of his head.
1. Is that so much of a problem? We saw in the latest chapter Sasuke taking on hundreds of shinobi who lay helpless all around him without taking a scratch. Multiple shinobi is not the weakness of the Sharingan.

2. The point is that Sasuke knew he couldn't evade forever and had to use his most powerful technique in hopes to disable Gaara. The same situation is at hand here. Last I checked, there were no mentions of anything more than average evasion from Kankurou, Shino, or Naruto. Naruto gets smacked around all the time, and one punch from CS2 Sasuke rendered KN1 Naruto unconscious. Care to think differently on Shino or Kankurou?

3. Shino has the best shot in this scenario, but even then its risky. Sasuke can fly and Naruto and Kankurou on the ground can't do jack. If Sasuke flies around and performs a gigantic Goukakyo, can all 3 get out of there? I doubt it.

Even without the transformation he'd be hard to bind, Naruto's chakra capacity is far above Shikamaru's.
Since when was chakra capacity a factor in getting out of Shikamaru's shadow?

To use a jutsu to its highest level(s ranked or higher in Naruto's case) you need that element's affinity. You can only have one affinity but Kakuzu has five. Therefore, all of Sarutobi's elemental jutsus could either be matched or overpowered.
This is a good point, however Kakuzu is fighting 3 other opponents. He will have his masks full, and I'm sure Sarutobi knows about each elemental weakness and will exploit it, whichever mask he ends up fighting.

Shikamaru is a liability. He can think of strategies by the second but formulating plans is a different matter. There is no preptime, so unless he calls a timeout, he'd be useless.
He thought up strategies on the spot against Tayuya, which led up to an amazing end result. I wouldn't be surprised if he came up a strategy to take out a mask with Enma or something.

Kimimaro strength is taijutsu, which he can't use against Kakuzu because he'd get tentacled. Enma would get tentacled and killed, which would have happen against Oro if the death god didn't come out. Seriously, no one has performed better against multiple opponents then Kakuzu.
They're not going to charge bluntly and get tentacled like Naruto's KageBunshins. Then again, if Kakuzu does so outstanding with multiple opponents, he got so easily outwitted by Naruto's RaseShuriken and got blown away as a result. Any reason not to think that Sarutobi can perform the same strategy but use Shiki Fuujin instead of RaseShuriken?

Also, I don't think Kimmimaro getting tentacled is much of a problem, his bones are harder than diamond which is more than simple tentacles can get past. He'd have to rely on his masks, needless to say that Enma + Shikamaru would be binding and fighting a couple.

Yes, and as I said he hasn't shown the ability to both move and stick his limbs out when he's not being controlled.
Alright then we'll use that assumption. He can still henge into Nyo Boi or the cage for defense.

[Spell]

No, he has to protect precious people. Who gets to decide who is precious to Lee? I could just as easily say that his teammates aren't precious to him, or that Lee doesn't feel the need to protect them. Even then he still wouldn't be able to use Ura Renge because he'd never have to protect his nindo. So you have encountered a flaw in your logic which you have to resolve. Either characters go all out because thats what their supposed to do, or they don't(which is what your suggesting). As for Naruto, he doesn't have to consciously access Kyuubi as has been shown, he only needs to be unable to defeat his opponent any other way.
It is still different form going Kyuubi mode (Zabuza arc). Taking off the weights is determined by Lee's will, Kyuubi mode isn't determined by Naruto's will. Furthermore in tier ranking Lee was listed as "Lee (with an ability to go gates)". So he is able to do it in this tournament.

This is the reason we have to make a clear rules for the tournament. To quit different interpretations and assumptions.

Kabuto was aware of Kyuubi and took steps to specifically stop it from healing Naruto. VoTE has nothing to do with this. So your original point that Naruto didn't go Kyuubi in the Sannin fight is flawed, because he was unable.Of course Kabuto was aware of Kyuubi, but he didn't know how much his healing power is able to do. And why VotE has nothing to do with it? It's a fact, Kyuubi NAruto is able to heal almost every wound. During Haku and Neji fight he used this ability.

[The Truth]

I said "other 3 ninjas on your team" meaning Kankurou, Naruto, and Shino.

You must have quoted someone else because I didn't write that statement.
The second quote was mine, the first has your username on it, i thought that was clear...
So you say that "3 tomoe Sharingan is a cinch against Kankurou + Shino, if he doesnt play around, he'd kill all 3 of them fairly quickly." Then you say that Sasuke doesn't stand a chance against Kakuzu. Your mixing up your own statements. What happens to Sasuke then?

Well we have a 2 v 1 here...Sasuke + Naruto vs a Zabuza mizubunshin, and they were getting their asses handed to them.
Thank you for posting that completely irrelevant reply.

I just don't see Naruto going kyuubified here. He didn't go kyuubified after being knocked out by Orochimaru. The Sound Nins could have killed him and Sasuke who were sleeping and dreaming of sheep.
Orochimaru used Gogyō Fūin to prevent Kyuubi from leaking chakra into Naruto. Thats why he was sleeping in the first place. The Kyuubi chakra was sealed until Jiraiya unsealed it.

1. Is that so much of a problem? We saw in the latest chapter Sasuke taking on hundreds of shinobi who lay helpless all around him without taking a scratch. Multiple shinobi is not the weakness of the Sharingan.
I'm sorry, but are we talking about Post skip Sasuke or the preskip one with the new sharingan? Multiple shinobi are weakness of the sharingan, that is a fact you just blatantly ignored. Overcoming a weakness is different from it not being there at all.

2. The point is that Sasuke knew he couldn't evade forever and had to use his most powerful technique in hopes to disable Gaara. The same situation is at hand here. Last I checked, there were no mentions of anything more than average evasion from Kankurou, Shino, or Naruto. Naruto gets smacked around all the time, and one punch from CS2 Sasuke rendered KN1 Naruto unconscious. Care to think differently on Shino or Kankurou?
No the point that you seem to be ignoring is that Shino and Kankuro aren't head on fighters to begin with, nor would it be advisable in this case. Naruto gets smacked around because he's the guy always running at his opponents. Your using Sasuke's individual superiority over each member of group as an answer as to how he could be them all.
3. Shino has the best shot in this scenario, but even then its risky. Sasuke can fly and Naruto and Kankurou on the ground can't do jack. If Sasuke flies around and performs a gigantic Goukakyo, can all 3 get out of there? I doubt it.
Their fighting in a forest, Sasuke can't fly up and accurately attack. That is, unless he can fly above the treetops but then he couldn't see where he's aiming. If he flies below the treetops, then Kank/Shino/Naruto can easily reach him. And finally, all of Sasuke's katons are classified as short ranged by the databook.
Since when was chakra capacity a factor in getting out of Shikamaru's shadow?

It's always been:
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/201-210/208/naruto_ch208_p11.png

This is a good point, however Kakuzu is fighting 3 other opponents. He will have his masks full, and I'm sure Sarutobi knows about each elemental weakness and will exploit it, whichever mask he ends up fighting.
That would be almost true if Kakuzu couldn't fuse his masks together. If Kakuzu throws his fuuton/katon combo, Sandaim won't be able to put it out with water and he'd get thrashed just like Kakashi. Kakuzu did it the entire fight, he used his masks to create openings and had no problem grabbing Chouji, Ino and Kakashi at the same time.

He thought up strategies on the spot against Tayuya, which led up to an amazing end result. I wouldn't be surprised if he came up a strategy to take out a mask with Enma or something.
Shikamaru had time formulate a plan because he memorized Tayuya's flute movements and knew when she was going to attack. So all he had to do was hide. If what you said above is true then Enma and everyone else will be fighting Kakuzu, leaving Shika alone and with know to tell his plan to.

They're not going to charge bluntly and get tentacled like Naruto's KageBunshins. Then again, if Kakuzu does so outstanding with multiple opponents, he got so easily outwitted by Naruto's RaseShuriken and got blown away as a result. Any reason not to think that Sarutobi can perform the same strategy but use Shiki Fuujin instead of RaseShuriken?

The only reason Naruto's trick worked is because he failed the jutsu the first time. Sadly, Sandaime can't make as many clones as Naruto. Not to mention this fight takes place outside of the plot.
Also, I don't think Kimmimaro getting tentacled is much of a problem, his bones are harder than diamond which is more than simple tentacles can get past.
Kimimaro's bones are as hard as steel, not diamond. Kakuzu could catch him the same way he did Kakashi(the guy with the predictive abilities), and shove tentacles down his throat.
He'd have to rely on his masks, needless to say that Enma + Shikamaru would be binding and fighting a couple.
Oh so now, Enma and Shikamaru are binding the masks? Interesting...
It is still different form going Kyuubi mode (Zabuza arc). Taking off the weights is determined by Lee's will, Kyuubi mode isn't determined by Naruto's will. Furthermore in tier ranking Lee was listed as "Lee (with an ability to go gates)". So he is able to do it in this tournament.
Naruto goes Kyuubi when his life is threatened, that is a fact. Once again, if you disagree then take it up with Kuya.
Of course Kabuto was aware of Kyuubi, but he didn't know how much his healing power is able to do. And why VotE has nothing to do with it? It's a fact, Kyuubi NAruto is able to heal almost every wound. During Haku and Neji fight he used this ability.
The heart is the center of the chakra system, Kabuto the genius medical ninja severed the connections to the heart so Naruto couldn't heal. Why are you going in circles?

[Kuya]

This match is over 8pm Hawaii Time (2/24). I'm going to try and have round 2 up before i go to the club. Yadadashootz.

[Kuya]

This match is over. I'll count votes soon.

[Spell]

Naruto goes Kyuubi when his life is threatened, that is a fact. Once again, if you disagree then take it up with Kuya.
Naruto didn't go Kyuubi mode when his life was threatened:
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He was sure he is going to die.

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However seems it doesn't matter now :/

The heart is the center of the chakra system, Kabuto the genius medical ninja severed the connections to the heart so Naruto couldn't heal. Why are you going in circles?
As I stated before, the wound after Ssuke's chidori was much more serious. He healed it. Kyuubi's chakra is situated in Naruto's stomach, I don't see why after Kabuto's attack Kyuubi's power couldn't heal him. However I do not negate your statement because it's possible Kyuubi's chakra has to be connected with heart before the start of healing process. Anyhow in Neji vs Naruto fight it was shown that Kyuubi's chakre is flowing directly from seal into any point in Naruto's body, so he probably would be able to use Kyuubi's chakra even if he couldn't use his own.
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0VQAOD!YZ3F5uR0F0StOgzlkt8h7oIttsXIDWW6Hx6gUEPLSTf fHwI2RzIQIvmvRR8FzyAdfcUZ4AKPuHwA*VTrud6TbVou7Ud0n k1C3be1K3vLnZiLcNHu!UmNr5KWWU/naruto-12-4-15.png?dc=4675585998010780260

@Kuya: I've got to reinstal system and all programs (probably today) so I've got a requeat if you could not list me in the first fight. Maybe I will manage to do it fast, but many things may happen :/

[successortt]

Naruto didn't go Kyuubi mode when his life was threatened:
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0UwDzDwAZwxgfQNtmifgGxdQBmUbI4INmfwqp!xCCjBmxyCf*R uoTA7zBG6DyFs33gK6CGbcY835qIkZTiWXpw1OuFm9wdDs*DnR YnlRxmvOtr2CmQ1oJ9SY4WHOY5pGA/Naruto2-6-08.JPG?dc=4675482622025673582

He was sure he is going to die.


The Naruto of Zabuza's arc only went Kyuubi when his best friend was thought to be already dead

[Spell]

The Naruto of Zabuza's arc only went Kyuubi when his best friend was thought to be already dead
Yes, that's what I was saying.

@ Kuya: Seems everything is ok with my windows now, so there is no problem for me to participate even tomorrow :nod

[Turrin]

i think i have to give it to the trueth becuase of the field advantage.

Sarutobi and Kazuku are about the same level and the fight would probably end in a double KO

That leaves the rest of Trueth's Team vrs Raikage's Team....although Raikage has the strenght advantage i find that the Trueth's teams tactical advantage is beyond that. Shino will take out shikkamaru with ease simply by allowing him to shadow bind him then having his bugs attack him from behind. Naruto from the wave arc with the kyuubi chakra can hold out Kimmi for a little while. Which leaves kankuro vs ino and Sasuke CS2...ino will be dead after the first poision bomb from kankuro. Kankuro then can use the forest as cover and hold off sasuke for until sasuke goes CS1-CS2. However at this point shino will have defeated shikka and helped naruto defeat kimmi from behinde because although kimmi is almost impervious to physicall attacks he will succumb to those of chakra absorption. Eventuall a weakend Kyuubi Naruto, Weakened Shino, and Weakened Kankuro will together gang up on sasuke and formulate a battle plan to take him down

[Kuya]

Raikage pulled 25 points
The Truth pulled 8 points.

Winner = Raikage. Congrats homie, you're moving on to the next round.

also, sorry Turrin, ur vote didn't count, it was after the match was over.