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Giorno Giovanna
02-21-2007, 08:10 PM
This is this one question I always asked myself with the Narutoverse, especially when looking at threads in the Naruto battledome and it's this; who is faster than who? Is Lee faster than Neji? Is Kimimaro faster than Lee? Is Sasuke on Kakashi's level of speed? Those are questions that I tried to answer but could not. So I came here and posted this thread. Can we find a way to determine who is faster than who, what is everyone's true speed? I believe it would make things much fun and changes alot of opinions on certain matches here in the Naruto battledome. So, let's discuss, let's find a way to determine who is faster than who in a concrete fashion.

vagnard
02-21-2007, 09:20 PM
From what we have seen/hear:

The fastest without including jutsus like teleportation or Gates.

1-Gai
2-Yondaime/Itachi
3-Kisame (he was doing very well against Gai in terms of speed)
4-Rock Lee/Kimmimaro

Including everything

1-Yondaime with Hirashin
2-6 Gates (or more) Gai
2-Itachi/Post Rock Lee with 5 gates or more....

Sasori
02-21-2007, 09:24 PM
Gai .

The Truth
02-21-2007, 09:26 PM
Is Lee faster than Neji?
Yes.
Is Kimimaro faster than Lee?
Healthy he might have been. But going CS2 when sick, I think he matched Lee's weightless speed.
Is Sasuke on Kakashi's level of speed?
Sasuke might be faster at this point.
Those are questions that I tried to answer but could not. So I came here and posted this thread. Can we find a way to determine who is faster than who, what is everyone's true speed? I believe it would make things much fun and changes alot of opinions on certain matches here in the Naruto battledome. So, let's discuss, let's find a way to determine who is faster than who in a concrete fashion.
I disagree, speed is the most overrated quality in Naruto. Lee being faster then Neji never helped him beat him did it? It wasn't Lee's speed against Kimimaro that helped it was his unpredictable technique when drunk, and even then, he was out maneuvered by the better fighter. In Naruto, Technique>Speed every single time.

Sasori
02-21-2007, 09:29 PM
^ Hiraishin

̣
02-21-2007, 09:47 PM
In Naruto, Technique>Speed every single time.

Lee was able to outrun Gaara's sand, three Jounin stopped Neji's Jyuken, and anybody can dodge Katons.

I doubt Kakashi using pure "speed" alone would lose to an academy student "Technique" (unless you wernt trying to be specific)

Giorno Giovanna
02-21-2007, 10:26 PM
Yes.

Healthy he might have been. But going CS2 when sick, I think he matched Lee's weightless speed.

Sasuke might be faster at this point.

I disagree, speed is the most overrated quality in Naruto. Lee being faster then Neji never helped him beat him did it? It wasn't Lee's speed against Kimimaro that helped it was his unpredictable technique when drunk, and even then, he was out maneuvered by the better fighter. In Naruto, Technique>Speed every single time.

Not neccessarily, those examples you gave were just based on fighting style differentia. What I mean is that Lee can be fast but Neji has his Byakugan to track him and even Neji was able to track him when he used the Five Gates so Lee is not that much faster than Neji and also, his fighting style targets something that cannot be trained and those are internal organs. And also, Neji beat Lee before he gained that speed, we never find out if they fought afterwards.

Actually, it was the unpredictability of Drunken Fist plus his speed that made it so dangerous as Kimi pointed out. If it was just unpredictability, Kimi easily could have adapted but it was the speed that made the difference.

Technique is weighted at a higher stature than speed, yes, but speed is an equally important factor because it means the difference between avoiding an attack and death and also helps in creating seals for techniques. Also, what I meant with my original statement is that it would change the opinions of those who we thought were fast and those we thought we're slow, basically it would change our opinions of the speed of certain individuals.

Mangekyo Bankai
02-22-2007, 12:03 AM
When Lee got his ass kicked by Neji, that was before he became hardcore taijutsu pwnage wasn't it? That was like back in the day. Then he began to train to prove that hardwork could beat a naturally gifted genius.

My list as follows:

Yondaime
Gai
Itachi
Rock Lee w/o weights with the 5th gate open
One Tailed Naruto
Sasuke
Kisame

in that order.

Shinji
02-22-2007, 12:10 AM
I like to say Yondaime; then Gai

~Redchaos325~
02-22-2007, 12:43 AM
The Yondaime.

The Truth
02-22-2007, 01:25 AM
Not neccessarily, those examples you gave were just based on fighting style differentia. What I mean is that Lee can be fast but Neji has his Byakugan to track him and even Neji was able to track him when he used the Five Gates so Lee is not that much faster than Neji and also, his fighting style targets something that cannot be trained and those are internal organs. And also, Neji beat Lee before he gained that speed, we never find out if they fought afterwards.
Lee and Gai stated that anything less then Ura Renge(5 gates) wouldn't be enough to defeat Neji, and even then it wasn't a certainty. Lee without weights is faster then Neji but obviously isn't a better fighter.

Actually, it was the unpredictability of Drunken Fist plus his speed that made it so dangerous as Kimi pointed out. If it was just unpredictability, Kimi easily could have adapted but it was the speed that made the difference.
Kimimaro effortlessly stopped Lee's Omote Renge, which is faster then drunken fist.
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/201-210/210/Page14a.jpg
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/211/naruto_ch211_p07.png
He speed boost is additional but without Drunken Fist, his taijutsu technique is inferior. thats is why his speed is so easily countered when he reverts back:http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/212/naruto_ch212_p10.png
Kimimaro knew exactly when he was going to attack, despite Lee's great speed.
Technique is weighted at a higher stature than speed, yes, but speed is an equally important factor because it means the difference between avoiding an attack and death and also helps in creating seals for techniques.
How can technique be weighted higher and speed be equally important? Without technique speed will only help against inferior taijutsu users(like Gaara and Sasuke at the beginning). And also I think your confusing evasion with speed, they aren't that related. Evasion has more to do with predicting your opponent and reacting accordingly. For example Sakura is an expert at evasion and could probably dodge a large number of Lee's attacks despite the speed difference.
Also, what I meant with my original statement is that it would change the opinions of those who we thought were fast and those we thought we're slow, basically it would change our opinions of the speed of certain individuals.
Oh, I thought you meant that if certain characters were judged to be faster then they would be more likely to win, sorry.
Lee was able to outrun Gaara's sand, three Jounin stopped Neji's Jyuken, and anybody can dodge Katons.
What exactly is your point? By technique i'm referring to skill not specific jutsus. And for the record, Lee outran Gaara's sand only to have it catch back up and save him, so in that instance jutsu>speed.

Redux-shika boo
02-22-2007, 01:41 AM
This is this one question I always asked myself with the Narutoverse, especially when looking at threads in the Naruto battledome and it's this; who is faster than who? Is Lee faster than Neji? Is Kimimaro faster than Lee? Is Sasuke on Kakashi's level of speed? Those are questions that I tried to answer but could not. So I came here and posted this thread. Can we find a way to determine who is faster than who, what is everyone's true speed? I believe it would make things much fun and changes alot of opinions on certain matches here in the Naruto battledome. So, let's discuss, let's find a way to determine who is faster than who in a concrete fashion.

Which one of them...
Movement speed ( How fast they run/move without truly fighting)
Fighting Speed (how fast they can throw physical attacks)
Reaction Speed ( How fast they perceive attacks and can counter)
Seal Speed (how fast they make seals and can make the ninjutsu appear)
Ninjutu's Speed ( How fast the ninjutsu moves itself)
Shunshui Speed (...)

MasamuneX7
02-22-2007, 12:07 PM
Movement really overlaps with fighting...

In no specific order:

Physical Speed - Gai w/ Gates
Reaction Speed - Deidara
Seal Speed - Itachi
Ninjutsu Speed - Yondaime
Shunshin Speed - Yondaime

Panic Attack
02-22-2007, 12:22 PM
Raw speed would go to either Gai, lee or Kakuzu. I say Kakuzu because when he did his iron body seal, the only way to see it was with the Mangekyou sharingan. We didn't even see his hands move untill kakashi saw it. Gai and Lee are obvious candidates.

Augmented speed ( gates, hiraishin and other such things) Goes to Yondy or Gai or Lee.

MasamuneX7
02-22-2007, 12:36 PM
Raw speed would go to either Gai, lee or Kakuzu. I say Kakuzu because when he did his iron body seal, the only way to see it was with the Mangekyou sharingan. We didn't even see his hands move untill kakashi saw it. Gai and Lee are obvious candidates.

Augmented speed ( gates, hiraishin and other such things) Goes to Yondy or Gai or Lee.

Nice observation. Now that I look back at it, we never saw Kakuzu perform hand seals for the iron skin jutsu until it was made visible through Kakashi's Sharingan view. That makes him the second fastest at hand seals, behind Itachi, who Kakashi using Sharingan still could not see.

Panic Attack
02-22-2007, 12:46 PM
Not only that but Kakuzu moved so fast Kakashi couldn't react when Kakuzu kicked him. That time, the Mangekyou was also activated. His speed is very underrated.

Spell
02-22-2007, 01:13 PM
Yes Kakuzu is definitely one of the fastest shinobi. Or rather was :oh.
However I doubt he would be faster than Itachi - we haven't seen his hand seals same as Kakuzu's but he was able to even mislead us by drawing shurikens.

King
02-22-2007, 01:17 PM
Good question.

My list would go like this.

Yondaime
Gai
Itachi
Rock Lee
Kimmimaro

̣
02-22-2007, 08:29 PM
I think in terms of speed, Yondaime's technique is still a little shaky.
Not only does he have to pull out and throw a heavy kunai, but wait for it to hit the ground. Such detail may seem insignificant, but I can really see Gai running up and catching the kunai no problem.

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7755/gaispeedhg0.gif

B o n e s
02-22-2007, 08:50 PM
Is Kimimaro faster than Lee?
Kimimaro is faster than Lee is the databooks too.

kidjutsu
02-22-2007, 10:49 PM
Which one of them...
Movement speed ( How fast they run/move without truly fighting)
Fighting Speed (how fast they can throw physical attacks)
Reaction Speed ( How fast they perceive attacks and can counter)
Seal Speed (how fast they make seals and can make the ninjutsu appear)
Ninjutu's Speed ( How fast the ninjutsu moves itself)
Shunshui Speed (...)

++, thats wat i was thinking.
fighting speed= Lee/Gai gates and kick ass conditioning. I also think people are forgettin Sasuke, he is very close to achieving Gai/Lee like speed (his speed was awesome even before TS
Reaction Speed= Neji byuukagan
Seal Speed= Itachi
Ninjutsu= Probably Yondaime

Whisperkill
02-24-2007, 11:15 AM
Yondaime
Itachi
Kisame
Gai (with gates)

Pein
02-28-2007, 03:42 AM
gai totally takes this

Zeche
03-03-2007, 01:59 AM
Is Lee faster than Neji?
In movement yes. Striking maybe Neji.
Is Kimimaro faster than Lee?
Most likely Post Lee. Preskip definately.
Is Sasuke on Kakashi's level of speed?
Pre maybe with CS2 post no.

Physical Speed - Gai most likely
Reaction Speed - Hiashi most likely
Seal Speed - Yondaime
Ninjutsu Speed - Yondaime
Shunshin Speed - Yondaime

Katalyze
03-03-2007, 08:38 AM
The only thing faster than hiraishin is probably Gai's dynamic entry.

Feral
03-03-2007, 08:53 AM
The only thing faster than hiraishin is probably Gai's dynamic entry.

Except that Dynamic Entry is definitely slower than a teleporting move.

Nahrootoe
03-03-2007, 09:03 AM
In terms of how they are drawn in the manga, Yondaime, Gai, and Itachi are all very, very fast.

Kakuzu, Kisame, and some of the other Akatsuki obviously have to be very fast too, and don't forget about guys like Sasuke, Kakashi, or Lee who also move at blistering speeds.

Kung Lao
03-03-2007, 09:26 AM
Yes Kakuzu is definitely one of the fastest shinobi. Or rather was :oh.

:( :( :( :cry :cry

Spell
03-03-2007, 11:58 AM
:( :( :( :cry :cry
same here :(:cry

btw it's you in your avatar? xD

Kung Lao
03-03-2007, 12:47 PM
same here :(:cry

btw it's you in your avatar? xD

Naw, I just random searched for something cute in google. But now I've found something different :wink

Mibu Clan
03-03-2007, 02:15 PM
Id say these are fast people:

- Kakuzu, hand seals only seen by Kakashi's Sharingan, as well as speed superior to Raikiri Kakashi.

- Kisame, speed at 30% to outmatch normal Gai.

- Itachi, for Hand seals that even Kakashi's Sharingan couldnt see, as well as Jutsu execution...

- Lee, its obvious why right?

- Orochimaru seems to be the fastest Shinobi Alive at the moment (Especially in his true form)

- Sasuke, is keeping up with Orochimaru's speed (Has Sharingan advantage)... He is extremely fast in his regular state as well as his CS (dont know about Cs2 though)

- Yondaime, because of Hiarishin is the fastest Shinobi in existance. We dont know about his body speed but Im sure its also extremely fast.

- Kakashi... He is one of the fastest AtM.

- Naruto in his kyuubified forms.

- Deidara on his birds was quite fast.

- Sasori, Sasori puppet and Sandaime Kazekage were very fast... as well as each technique he showed had quite high level of speed.

I bolded some of the ones alot of people left out.

CrazyApple
03-03-2007, 02:35 PM
it would actually be yondaime...being with the title the yellow flash...^_^

up next in list would be kisame tying up with gai...

lee is also in teh list and neji--post-skip

sasuke is one fast dude also...