Hidan vs Kimimaro

[Svenjamin]

Ok here's the deal.

Hidan will need to get Kimimaro's blood to defeat him, but Kimimaro is a taijutsu specialist

Kimimaro is healthy of course, but no amount of pure taijutsu can easily defeat Hidan due to his immortality.

The battle arena is the grass field where Kimimaro faught.

Hajime!

[Qrαhms]

Hidan won't be able to land a hit on Kimimaro by any means. Things will get worse when Kimimaro decide to do something about Hidan's scythe. Once Hidan losses his scythe, he practically has no other way to extract blood from Kimimaro. Kimimaro will then start his sequence of attacks (flowery dances and stuffs). But since he uses his bones that sprungs from his body to attack, Hidan will eventually be able to get a few drops of Kimimaro's blood (LUCKY!). Preparation complete, blabla, Hidan stabs the vital point.

Hidan wins! :P

[A.P.]

Hidan won't be able to land a hit on Kimimaro by any means. Things will get worse when Kimimaro decide to do something about Hidan's scythe. Once Hidan losses his scythe, he practically has no other way to extract blood from Kimimaro. Kimimaro will then start his sequence of attacks (flowery dances and stuffs). But since he uses his bones that sprungs from his body to attack, Hidan will eventually be able to get a few drops of Kimimaro's blood (LUCKY!). Preparation complete, blabla, Hidan stabs the vital point.

Hidan wins! :P

Well it's just that feature of Kimimaro of growing out his bones that make him hard to kill, think that he could grow him self and exoskelet above his skin, whit the density of steel. I don't know how strong is Hidan's scythe but piercing Kimimaro's bones will be one tough cookie:P . Plus think that Kimimaro could use his bone growing bloodline to throw a masive number of spears in Hidan's body and rendering him imobile, just imagine Kimimaro walking up to Hidan(wich can't move a muscle cause of the bonespears in his body), and just by touching on of the bones will order them to grow in an eggshape form(whit the highest density posible of corse:amuse ) and would have the similar result that Shika had when he fought Hidan for real in the manga.

As far as I'm concerned rendering the enemy imoblie forever(or at least till the bones decompose, suposingly Kimimaro is smart enough to bury Hidan), would mean that the winner is Kimimaro...yay:nuts flower tehnique power!

[CrazyMoronX]

Hidan would kill Kimi easily, actually.

You do realize he bleeds like crazy whenever he pops out a bone?

[Sasori]

^ Yup, just look back at the manga scans.

[Esponer]

Kimimaro appeared to be an awful lot more skilled than he actually was, by merit of the fact that the three individuals he was seen to fight were Uzumaki Naruto (genin, chuunin level capability but only demonstrated genin level capability in this battle), Rock Lee (genin, chuunin level taijutsu but was injured and so his moves were less sharp and quick, and he could not perform the Ura Renge) and Sabaku no Gaara (genin, chuunin level capability at the level he fought, potentially stronger with Shukaku transformation which he did not use). Yes, everybody Kimimaro fought commented on how fast and skilled his taijutsu was. But that's because he fought rookies. A true master would have been able to defeat Rock Lee, whether he used Suiken or not (Gai could've put Lee down immediately even after he got himself drunk and was on top form, as he said to Tsunade -- he only struggled a little to do so without harming Lee at all). Kimimaro's taijutsu outstripped Rock Lee's, but not by far enough to convince me that he was a true master. Rather, all three of his fights proceeded in all ways exactly as they should've done if fighting a low jounin with some dangerous cards to play (Curse Seal, Sawarabi no Mai). A low jounin should've been able to soundly outmatch all three of those genin one after another with little harm taken, and that's what happened. There's absolutely no call to call Kimimaro elite jounin level.

Hidan, however, has speed and taijutsu on a level with Kakashi and Asuma (Asuma being Kakashi's superior in terms of speed according to the Databook). His taijutsu style is focused on drawing blood, and whilst Kimimaro is a proud taijutsu specialist who doesn't want to get scratched by anybody he's sufficiently lower level than Hidan that his taijutsu is not superior, even though he's a taijutsu specialist and Hidan's a... not sure what he specialises in. Kimimaro will bleed, and relatively soon. He won't even care much, because his Shikotsumyaku will render him nearly immune to all of Hidan's direct attacks. Kimimaro will know this, and he'll see that Hidan's scythe isn't the best penetrating weapon and rightfully won't be too fussed about Hidan's ordinary attacks.

Kimimaro's Hessendan (finger bullet) attacks are too linear and too weak -- they're meaningless to Hidan even if they hit him. Most of his other attacks seem to be painful but not finishing, and he's portrayed no 'sweeping' attacks in his dances as far as I can recall -- that is, nothing that would cut off limbs much. Hidan's taijutsu skill would be sufficiently on par, even a little higher, that Kimimaro wouldn't hit enough to find out that his attacks weren't going to do any good anyway.

Problem is, the moment Kimimaro bleeds he's dead. He's been shown to be a little stupid (not using Hessendan to take down Rock Lee when his foe was unable to respond -- such as when drinking sake, for god's sake), or at least so confident that he just stands and watches what his enemy does. All evidence suggests that once Kimimaro bleeds he'll just watch Hidan perform the ritual, and I don't see him as being smart enough to figure it out as quickly as Shikamaru -- I think I have call to that one.

Now, Shikotsumyaku against Hidan's ritual. The bloodline limit allows Kimimaro to resist physical attacks (but we have no reason to believe non-physical attacks), but Kimimaro would have a problem here. The voodoo-style ritual doesn't seem to make a physical mimicry of the attack Hidan performs on himself but rather directly damage the organs afflicted and cause the appropriate pain. Additionally, even if it did, Kimimaro wouldn't exactly be expecting a sudden attack to his heart and I don't see him having time to protect himself with his bones. The ritual will kill Kimimaro -- destroying his heart and causing him enough pain to render him unconscious even if it didn't.

I don't believe Kimimaro will last long enough for him to even be able to know that he needs to use the full power of the Curse Seal. Hidan won't look all that impressive before it's too late, as his attacks will be ineffectual scratches and his taijutsu won't be so far above Kimimaro's as to worry him -- after all, Kimimaro is immune to what he thinks Hidan's style is! Let's say Kimimaro does use the second level of the Curse Seal, though. This doesn't increase his resilience against the ritual, but it will improve his dodging abilities (but Hidan still only needs a scratch). Kimimaro's attacks are still ineffectual, but he'll quickly realise that Hidan is invulnerable in this stage as Hidan won't be dodging enough of his attacks for Kimimaro to not notice. Once he realises this he can switch to more dangerous attacks, which could be key.

Sawarabi no Mai would probably pierce Hidan through completely and do devastating damage, but naturally not kill him. However, if Kimimaro would get off the Dance of the Seedling Fern, he would probably win (albeit not by killing Hidan). I rate his chances of getting this far and using the dance at about one fifth.

Are Kimimaro's physical techniques suitable to battling Hidan? I'm assuming no, but I am also assuming he can easily adapt once he realises that Hidan is immortal. My above argument centres on two key assumptions: a) Hidan's taijutsu is by no means inferior to Kimimaro, b) Kimimaro's preferred style is not dangerous to Hidan. I've supported the former somewhat and will do so further if asked, and I'll support the latter here.

Tsubaki no Mai - A taijutsu style overcame by injured Rock Lee using Suiken, involving short cuts and quick thrusts. A dangerous style to anybody who can meaningfully take damage, but it does not seem to involve appropriate attacks to combat Hidan.

Tessenka no Mai: Tsuru, Tessenka no Mai: Hana - Slashing and thrusting attacks respectively, neither seem to display the limb-slicing quality needed to combat Hidan.

Karamatsu no Mai - A cutting attack, ineffectual against Hidan.

Yanagi no Mai - An acrobatic and elegant form, but he still prefers to use short cuts and thrusts. Not the right style at all.

Hessendan - Linear bullet attacks, not the right attack form.

Kimimaro doubtlessly has means to cut Hidan up, but by assumption A I don't believe he'll find it easy to do so and assumption B shows (from all three of his battles and all of his jutsu) that he won't naturally use such jutsu from the beginning.

[Suzumebachi]

Kimimaro's stats:

Ninjutsu: 4/5
Taijutsu: 5/5
Genjutsu: 3/5
Intellect: 3/5
Strength: 3/5
Speed: 4.5/5
Stamina: 4.5/5
Seal Knowledge: 3/5
Total: 30




Kimimaro was much more skilled in taijutsu than you think Esponer. Those are jounin level stats. Gaara had jounin level stats too. Not many high level ninja can do what Kimimaro did against him.

[durtycheese]

kimmi takes this.

[Spanish Hoffkage]

Hidan just have to lick Kimi's tits and the combat is over. No need to scratch him, he blleds a lot when using the bones

[Suzumebachi]

Take note of Kimimaro's rengeration power as well.

[Shinji]

Kimimaro appeared to be an awful lot more skilled than he actually was, by merit of the fact that the three individuals he was seen to fight were Uzumaki Naruto (genin, chuunin level capability but only demonstrated genin level capability in this battle), Rock Lee (genin, chuunin level taijutsu but was injured and so his moves were less sharp and quick, and he could not perform the Ura Renge) and Sabaku no Gaara (genin, chuunin level capability at the level he fought, potentially stronger with Shukaku transformation which he did not use). Yes, everybody Kimimaro fought commented on how fast and skilled his taijutsu was. But that's because he fought rookies. A true master would have been able to defeat Rock Lee, whether he used Suiken or not (Gai could've put Lee down immediately even after he got himself drunk and was on top form, as he said to Tsunade -- he only struggled a little to do so without harming Lee at all). Kimimaro's taijutsu outstripped Rock Lee's, but not by far enough to convince me that he was a true master. Rather, all three of his fights proceeded in all ways exactly as they should've done if fighting a low jounin with some dangerous cards to play (Curse Seal, Sawarabi no Mai). A low jounin should've been able to soundly outmatch all three of those genin one after another with little harm taken, and that's what happened. There's absolutely no call to call Kimimaro elite jounin level.

Hidan, however, has speed and taijutsu on a level with Kakashi and Asuma (Asuma being Kakashi's superior in terms of speed according to the Databook). His taijutsu style is focused on drawing blood, and whilst Kimimaro is a proud taijutsu specialist who doesn't want to get scratched by anybody he's sufficiently lower level than Hidan that his taijutsu is not superior, even though he's a taijutsu specialist and Hidan's a... not sure what he specialises in. Kimimaro will bleed, and relatively soon. He won't even care much, because his Shikotsumyaku will render him nearly immune to all of Hidan's direct attacks. Kimimaro will know this, and he'll see that Hidan's scythe isn't the best penetrating weapon and rightfully won't be too fussed about Hidan's ordinary attacks.

Kimimaro's Hessendan (finger bullet) attacks are too linear and too weak -- they're meaningless to Hidan even if they hit him. Most of his other attacks seem to be painful but not finishing, and he's portrayed no 'sweeping' attacks in his dances as far as I can recall -- that is, nothing that would cut off limbs much. Hidan's taijutsu skill would be sufficiently on par, even a little higher, that Kimimaro wouldn't hit enough to find out that his attacks weren't going to do any good anyway.

Problem is, the moment Kimimaro bleeds he's dead. He's been shown to be a little stupid (not using Hessendan to take down Rock Lee when his foe was unable to respond -- such as when drinking sake, for god's sake), or at least so confident that he just stands and watches what his enemy does. All evidence suggests that once Kimimaro bleeds he'll just watch Hidan perform the ritual, and I don't see him as being smart enough to figure it out as quickly as Shikamaru -- I think I have call to that one.

Now, Shikotsumyaku against Hidan's ritual. The bloodline limit allows Kimimaro to resist physical attacks (but we have no reason to believe non-physical attacks), but Kimimaro would have a problem here. The voodoo-style ritual doesn't seem to make a physical mimicry of the attack Hidan performs on himself but rather directly damage the organs afflicted and cause the appropriate pain. Additionally, even if it did, Kimimaro wouldn't exactly be expecting a sudden attack to his heart and I don't see him having time to protect himself with his bones. The ritual will kill Kimimaro -- destroying his heart and causing him enough pain to render him unconscious even if it didn't.

I don't believe Kimimaro will last long enough for him to even be able to know that he needs to use the full power of the Curse Seal. Hidan won't look all that impressive before it's too late, as his attacks will be ineffectual scratches and his taijutsu won't be so far above Kimimaro's as to worry him -- after all, Kimimaro is immune to what he thinks Hidan's style is! Let's say Kimimaro does use the second level of the Curse Seal, though. This doesn't increase his resilience against the ritual, but it will improve his dodging abilities (but Hidan still only needs a scratch). Kimimaro's attacks are still ineffectual, but he'll quickly realise that Hidan is invulnerable in this stage as Hidan won't be dodging enough of his attacks for Kimimaro to not notice. Once he realises this he can switch to more dangerous attacks, which could be key.

Sawarabi no Mai would probably pierce Hidan through completely and do devastating damage, but naturally not kill him. However, if Kimimaro would get off the Dance of the Seedling Fern, he would probably win (albeit not by killing Hidan). I rate his chances of getting this far and using the dance at about one fifth.

Are Kimimaro's physical techniques suitable to battling Hidan? I'm assuming no, but I am also assuming he can easily adapt once he realises that Hidan is immortal. My above argument centres on two key assumptions: a) Hidan's taijutsu is by no means inferior to Kimimaro, b) Kimimaro's preferred style is not dangerous to Hidan. I've supported the former somewhat and will do so further if asked, and I'll support the latter here.

Tsubaki no Mai - A taijutsu style overcame by injured Rock Lee using Suiken, involving short cuts and quick thrusts. A dangerous style to anybody who can meaningfully take damage, but it does not seem to involve appropriate attacks to combat Hidan.

Tessenka no Mai: Tsuru, Tessenka no Mai: Hana - Slashing and thrusting attacks respectively, neither seem to display the limb-slicing quality needed to combat Hidan.

Karamatsu no Mai - A cutting attack, ineffectual against Hidan.

Yanagi no Mai - An acrobatic and elegant form, but he still prefers to use short cuts and thrusts. Not the right style at all.

Hessendan - Linear bullet attacks, not the right attack form.

Kimimaro doubtlessly has means to cut Hidan up, but by assumption A I don't believe he'll find it easy to do so and assumption B shows (from all three of his battles and all of his jutsu) that he won't naturally use such jutsu from the beginning.
this is a great analysis.

[Spudly nin of krabcheese]

Hidan would win.

[10InchPianist]

Depends if Kimimaro decapitates him before he can do the ritual. Based on his no need to hasten the fight attitude we saw, I'm going to say Hidan completes ritual and wins. Otherwise, Kimimaro wins.

[Suzumebachi]

Depends if Kimimaro decapitates him before he can do the ritual. Based on his no need to hasten the fight attitude we saw, I'm going to say Hidan completes ritual and wins. Otherwise, Kimimaro wins.

Kimimaro wasnt that serious because he was dying. He knew he was dying and didnt need to do anything more because Sasuke was on his way to Orochimaru.

[B o n e s]

Hidan would kill Kimi easily, actually.

You do realize he bleeds like crazy whenever he pops out a bone?

That's made up bullshit. Kimimaro doesn't bleed by manipulating his bones.


CS2 Kimimaro would rip Hidan to shreds. And there's no way in hell that Hidan can obtain blood from him.

He didn't bled even with Gaara's desert coffin

[Kuya]

I'd love to say Kimi, but he bleeds too much.

Hidan wins off of that.

[B o n e s]

I'd love to say Kimi, but he bleeds too much.

Hidan wins off of that.Oh god this bullshit again.

KIMIMARO DOESN'T BLEED BY MANIPULATING HIS BONES

Show me Kimimaro bleeding just ONCE for crissake, besides the time he got caught by the first desert coffin.
as being caught by desert coffins isn't a part of his bloodline limit of course.

http://devilbox.dead.org/n/201-210/206/naruto_ch206_p06.png
WHAT BLOOD ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

It makes perfect sense that he can control his bleeding at that point, otherwise he'll bleed to death by doing his dances.

Kimimaro isn't weak against Hidan cause of his ¨bleeding¨. It's the other way around.

He can control his bleeding like no one else. Thus Hidan is totally fucked here.

[Kai]

Hidan would kill Kimi easily, actually.

You do realize he bleeds like crazy whenever he pops out a bone?

Yeah, I mean its not like the OP decided for Kimmimaro to be healthy in this fight or anything...

Even in a scenario where Hidan gets Kimmi's blood, hes too slow to make the blood circle before he gets pounded by finger bullets, or Sawarabi no Mai in CS2.

[Mangekyo Bankai]

Healthy Kimimaro would rape Hidan right through the robe! The scythe would be blocked by super hard bones, and Kimi's speed with his bone katana is amazing, he would behead Hidan immediately. And if that didn't do the trick than his CS2 form would eat him alive before he could get that stupid alchemy circle drawn in the dirt.

[TreeofSephri]

Kimimaro pulls a bone right out of his body. It should be covered in blood perfect for Hidan.

[B o n e s]

Kimimaro pulls a bone right out of his body. It should be covered in blood perfect for Hidan.*sigh*

Kimimaro doesn't bleed damit!

why NOBODY ELSE BESIDES ME PAY ATTENTION?

http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/212/naruto_ch212_p05.png
Oh yeah, that's Rock Lee bleeding

Do you see Kimi bleeding? Do you see a bone ¨covered in blood¨??

It seems i need to make a thread about this:notrust

[TreeofSephri]

Calm down, I was just joshing.

[Whisperkill]

If its manga Kimmimaro where every time he pulls out his bones, theres blood then Hidan will win

but if its anime Kimmimaro then Kimmi wins

[Qrαhms]

*sigh*

Kimimaro doesn't bleed damit!

why NOBODY ELSE BESIDES ME PAY ATTENTION?

http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/212/naruto_ch212_p05.png
Oh yeah, that's Rock Lee bleeding

Do you see Kimi bleeding? Do you see a bone ¨covered in blood¨??

It seems i need to make a thread about this:notrust
I'm not a biology student, but if I'm not mistaken, there's blood inside the bone itself (liquid/dried). Maybe Hidan can go for that if he finds it too difficult to landing a hit on Kimimaro. :amuse

[Kayo]

Hidan would destroy Kimimaro

[Saosin]

Hidan .

[iander]

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/chapter2111.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=6046
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/chapter2111.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=6048

Yeah he bleeds like a mofo when the bones come out. Im sure he can control his bleeding somewhat so that he doesnt pierce arteries and die of blood loss when his bones come out but as is shown there is still some blood loss and that is enough for Hidan to beat him. Hidan is just a really good counter for Kimi, hes immortal and a good tai fighter.

[B o n e s]

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/chapter2111.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=6046
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/chapter2111.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=6048

Yeah he bleeds like a mofo when the bones come out. Im sure he can control his bleeding somewhat so that he doesnt pierce arteries and die of blood loss when his bones come out but as is shown there is still some blood loss and that is enough for Hidan to beat him. Hidan is just a really good counter for Kimi, hes immortal and a good tai fighter.

What blood are you talking about ??

Because there's not a single drop of blood in the first picture

You know what blood is in Naruto?

A black fluid, did ya know?

And the blood in the second scan is FROM LEE who's getting screwed in the face by the bones.

STOP MAKING UP BULLSHIT

And if Kimimaro goes CS2 Hidan wont obtain a fuckin drop of blood in his lifetime.

If the desert coffin cant make Kimimaro bleed in CS2 what makes people think that Hidan's stupid scythe can do it better?

Again, im the only one paying attention.

[Sasori]

No, blood doesn't always have to be black.

The white fluid is blood, or please tell me what it is?

Kishi is working with a black and white manga ffs, the blood will not always be coloured in...

[hyuuga_neji14732]

Kimimaro would win Hidan may not die but he is useless if u sever his head

[iander]

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/chapter2111.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=6049

No ones making up any bullshit, you are in denial. That shit is blood not any other magical fluid that is coming from his body. The anime may have edited it but that is blood. Seriously, stop be a tard and admit your wrong. PS, there is black shit all over Kimi's bones and its not just Lee's blood.

[Star Juice]

Problem is, the moment Kimimaro bleeds he's dead.

Now, Shikotsumyaku against Hidan's ritual. The bloodline limit allows Kimimaro to resist physical attacks (but we have no reason to believe non-physical attacks), but Kimimaro would have a problem here. The voodoo-style ritual doesn't seem to make a physical mimicry of the attack Hidan performs on himself but rather directly damage the organs afflicted and cause the appropriate pain. Additionally, even if it did, Kimimaro wouldn't exactly be expecting a sudden attack to his heart and I don't see him having time to protect himself with his bones. The ritual will kill Kimimaro -- destroying his heart and causing him enough pain to render him unconscious even if it didn't.

I liked your analysis for the most part but this is where I disagree. Everyone else who thinks Kimi bleeds should read as well. Why does it even matter whether Hidan pulls off his ritual on Kimimaro or not? Even if he's successful, he still can't win.

Consider: Kimimaro rips bones from his body. He doesn't merely push his muscle fibers aside when he surfaces a bone, he tears right through them...and then heals them nigh-instantaneously. He also yanked out his entire flipping spine and then regenerated his spinal cord and reconnected all the severed nerve endings in a split second.

So: Hidan piercing Kimimaro's heart will do zilch. It'll surprise Kimi sure, but no one under 65 ever died from surprise. The heart is just another muscle, so why shouldn't Kimimaro be able to regenerate the damage like he regenerates everything else? It wouldn't make sense to say "because the damage was done by Hidan" since a wound is a wound, and Kimimaro should be able to heal it regardless of who inflicted it.

Even though Hidan's ritual does actual physical damage to the victim and would destroy Kimimaro's heart if the ritual were successful, Kimimaro's regen abilities make the attack pretty much useless. I also think that assuming Kimimaro will be rendered unconscious by the pain, as you say, is a serious underestimation of his general badassery. Pass out from pain? C'mon.

In conclusion, Kimimaro > Hidan.

[Esponer]

Kimimaro's regeneration is a difficult power to assess, as we mostly saw it apply to physical damage he dealt himself with the Shikotsumyaku. He evaded Naruto and Lee's attacks, and Gaara's successful jutsu were mostly protected against by the bone armour. So we rarely needed to see Kimimaro regenerating from serious wounds he suffered.

Hidan's ritual will terminate in a direct, massive attack to Kimimaro's heart. This sort of attack is understandably an instant kill. I don't personally believe that Kimimaro's regeneration goes so far as to repair a completely destroyed organ. It's one thing to call the heart a muscle, but it's quite another to say that it can be regenerated just like a muscle. Most muscles in the human body (including every muscle we have reason to believe Kimimaro regenerated) will regenerate naturally from being torn, but the heart will not regenerate from being pierced. Kimimaro's regeneration appears to be an accelerated version of human regeneration, albeit vastly. The spine thing is a pretty good point, but I don't personally think he could survive having his heart destroyed. (I personally think he was only all right with the spine thing because his spine had started regenerating before he pulled it out — he started to create a vestigial copy of it first.)

More to the point, once the heart is pierced the individual is pretty much dead. No flow of chakra through their Inner Coils, no flow of blood through their body — arguably they don't die immediately, but I maintain that you don't regenerate from having your heart pierced right through unless you specifically are shown to have that ability.

As to Kimimaro's badassery, he's a 15-year old boy who doesn't expect to get scratched, who is clinically underweight according to the Databook (BMI roughly appropriate for somebody suffering anorexia nervosa) and who might have spent quite a bit of his childhood locked up in poor conditions. Yeah, okay, I think that if we pretended Kimimaro was incapable of dying and Hidan just stabbed him in the heart for a bit, he'd pass out from the pain. He has a strong will, but I think you underestimate the physiological response to being stabbed through the heart.

Lastly, your post argues for Kimimaro's regeneration and then concludes "Kimimaro > Hidan". I don't think your conclusions follow from your arguments.

[Star Juice]

I guess it would be somewhat hard to heal if you're dead. I wouldn't expect Kimi to heal having his brain exploded either, and if it's the same principle with his heart Hidan might win. I'd say the crucial factor is determining whether or not he really regrew his entire spinal cord or if he created a "surrogate spine" on top of his real one and tore that out without disturbing the nerves. If his regeneration is powerful enough to reconstruct something as complex as his spinal cord, I'd argue that healing his heart would be in his power...but there's not enough evidence, as usually happens with these battledome fights.

Lastly, your post argues for Kimimaro's regeneration and then concludes "Kimimaro > Hidan". I don't think your conclusions follow from your arguments.

I think it was Bertrand Russell who said that Aristotelian logic is overrated.

[Rokurai]

Kimimaro's "no need to hasten the fight attitude"?

Okay let's see...he was very quick to hasten the fight. He annhilated Kyuubi Naruto clones quickly and efficiently, then when one was left Sasuke broke out. After that he appeared behind Naruto (using amazing speed we've only seen from a few ninja) and went for a BEHEADING cut. That slice he was going to do would have ripped Naruto's head off it's shoulders, had it not been for Rock Lee.

Yes he allowed Lee to drink, because he had no need to rush. He was already dying. Plus, he only stopped because Lee begged him to.

With Gaara, he never let up. He went full force the entire time.

[ameterasu_41]

The kimimaro we saw had spent a fair amount of time dying in a hospital bed. We don't know his abilities while he's healthy. Plus even if Hidan gets kimi's blood, he probably wouldn't get the time to perform the ritual. Since kimi is a close combat fighter, Hidan would be too busy dodging his attacks to stay in his little circle.

[Kubisa]

Kimimaro is too fast a fighter to give Hidan the time to do his ritual, plus Kimimaro was very fast in CS2, he could get past Gaara's sand shield and was faster than Rock Lee. Kimi wins through taijutsu.

[Law]

Poor match-up for Hidan. No matter what happens with Kimi's blood, Hidan will not have time to do anything with it.

Once Kimi realized that Hidan was doing rituals with his blood, he would escalate into curse-seal form and ravage Hidan.

He's immortal, yes. But a hundred pieces of immortality would be a very lonely existence.

[_Amaterasu_]

Poor match-up for Hidan. No matter what happens with Kimi's blood, Hidan will not have time to do anything with it.

Once Kimi realized that Hidan was doing rituals with his blood, he would escalate into curse-seal form and ravage Hidan.

He's immortal, yes. But a hundred pieces of immortality would be a very lonely existence.

Kimmi isn't a genious. Look how long it took Shikamaru to figure out his jutsu.

Kimmi is fighting in close quarters, how hard is it for Hidan to swing that HUGE scythe and hit something 2 feet away from him? He doesn't have to even make a direct hit, just skin him and this battle is over. And since Hidan is kinda immortal, he will have plenty of chances to get a blood drop. Especially if this is sick Kimmi, and he is literally coughing up blood...


@ B O N E S

What exactly is that white/black fluid then?

[MasamuneX7]

Hidan is as fast as Asuma and Kakashi.

[durtycheese]

hidan ahs a good chance of winning.

[WayOfDestiny]

Kimimaro Wins, der r 2 charcs that ppl dunt realize how strong they really r ;/

and thoes r kimi and sasori

[Distracted]

Kimi is too fast and too resistant to the Scythe... he would chop Hidan's head off or impale him on hundreds of spikes and it would be over.

[Yellow]

Kimi way too fast for Hidan. Kimi would rip off Hidans head in a matter of second for reasons stated before.

[MasamuneX7]

Kimi is too fast and too resistant to the Scythe... he would chop Hidan's head off or impale him on hundreds of spikes and it would be over.

Easier said than done. Before he fought against Shikamaru on the Will of Fire drug, Hidan had no problem at all outmaneuvering Asuma, and kept up with Sharingan Kakashi without fail, and without the range granted to him by the rope attached to his scythe. Also, I doubt Kimimaro's faster than Hidan.

His display of agility in conjunction with his scythe was superb. Skin contains blood too. If he can manage to scratch Yugito, who was deep down inside that huge Nibi flame shroud, he can scratch Kimimaro's skin.

[Law]

Easier said than done. Before he fought against Shikamaru on the Will of Fire drug, Hidan had no problem at all outmaneuvering Asuma, and kept up with Sharingan Kakashi without fail, and without the range granted to him by the rope attached to his scythe. Also, I doubt Kimimaro's faster than Hidan.

His display of agility in conjunction with his scythe was superb. Skin contains blood too. If he can manage to scratch Yugito, who was deep down inside that huge Nibi flame shroud, he can scratch Kimimaro's skin.

He can scratch Kimi before Kimi can graft bone to the outside of his body? I think you over-estimate Hidan's speed.

Kimimaro is much too quick and agile to allow himself to be sliced by a scythe.

[Morwain]

Kimimaro would so kick Hidan ass when Hidan tries to get blood from him he can just block in with his bones.

[Dudemancool]

Uzumaki Naruto (genin, chuunin level capability but only demonstrated genin level capability in this battle), Rock Lee (genin, chuunin level taijutsu but was injured and so his moves were less sharp and quick, and he could not perform the Ura Renge) and Sabaku no Gaara (genin, chuunin level capability at the level he fought, potentially stronger with Shukaku transformation which he did not use).

srry i just had to clear this up... Naruto was about low-high chuunin level at that fight, because he made like a hundred shadow clones and that just isnt something a normal genin would come to close to handling

lee had elite jounin leveled speed and taijutsu, not counting suiken.

Gaara... wtf? He was fighting at least jounin-elite jounin level (look at the fucking tidal wave he made). Gaara was easily far above chuunin leveled at the chuunin exams because he killed the 2 or 3 chuunins that were hired to fight him with amazing ease. He massively improved during the time of that compared to the time of the sasuke arc.



(Asuma being Kakashi's superior in terms of speed according to the Databook)

kimimaro has speed above that of asuma's according to the databook, without CS.

Most of his other attacks seem to be painful but not finishing, and he's portrayed no 'sweeping' attacks in his dances as far as I can recall -- that is, nothing that would cut off limbs much.

well... he could always impale Hidan on a bone.

Hidan's taijutsu skill would be sufficiently on par, even a little higher, that Kimimaro wouldn't hit enough to find out that his attacks weren't going to do any good anyway.

no

Problem is, the moment Kimimaro bleeds he's dead. He's been shown to be a little stupid (not using Hessendan to take down Rock Lee when his foe was unable to respond -- such as when drinking sake, for god's sake), or at least so confident that he just stands and watches what his enemy does. All evidence suggests that once Kimimaro bleeds he'll just watch Hidan perform the ritual, and I don't see him as being smart enough to figure it out as quickly as Shikamaru -- I think I have call to that one.

yup



im not gonna refute the rest cause i more or less agree with u. basically im just trying to say that Kimimaro would crush Hidan if not for the fact that Kimimaro sprouts a shit load of blood when growing bones.

[Yōkai]

Kimimaro wont lose to a retarded punk like Hidan.


And the whole ¨Kimimaro bleeds a lot when he's using his dances¨ is just made up bullshit.

Hidan would be unable to draw blood from Kimi with bone armour under skin or
CS2 Kimi, nor to mention that CS2 Kimi woul rip Hidan to shreds barehandedly

Hidan is a disgrace to Akatsuki, and nothing makes me think he has the ability
to match Kimi's taijutsu anyway

Kimi FTW

[Yōkai]

im not gonna refute the rest cause i more or less agree with u. basically im just trying to say that Kimimaro would crush Hidan if not for the fact that Kimimaro sprouts a shit load of blood when growing bones.

That's not true. Kimimaro doesn't bleed by manipulating his bones.
You're one of the many ones that didn't even pay attention to details in the manga.

And before a retard tries to prove me wrong

This is blood. You know, it's a black liquid thingie that sprouts from your body when you get hurt

BLACK-LIQUID

here's Kimimaro bleeding a lot by taking the desert coffin

http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/215/naruto_ch215_p12.png
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/215/naruto_ch215_p13.png

BLACK-LIQUID-THING capice?

Here's Kimi manipulating his bones, now tell me where is the BLACK LIQUID here?

http://devilbox.dead.org/n/201-210/206/naruto_ch206_p04.png
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/201-210/206/naruto_ch206_p05.png
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/201-210/206/naruto_ch206_p06.png

or here?
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/211/naruto_ch211_p16.png

or here?
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/211/naruto_ch211_p17.png

or here?
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/212/naruto_ch212_p05.png

or here? BLACK LIQUID, not white spinal fluid
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/216/naruto_ch216_p09.png
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/216/naruto_ch216_p10.png


Kimimaro doesn't bleed by manipulating his bones.Read the manga. Pay attention.Now go and show me Kimimaro sprouting BLACK LIQUID a.ka. BLOOD
from his body even once by doing his bone stuff

And dont say stupid things such as ¨Kimi's blood is multicolored¨

and Ontopic:

Kimi wins this match EASILY.

[Dudemancool]

That's not true. Kimimaro doesn't bleed by manipulating his bones.
You're one of the many ones that didn't even pay attention to details in the manga.

And before a retard tries to prove me wrong

This is blood. You know, it's a black liquid thingie that sprouts from your body when you get hurt

BLACK-LIQUID

here's Kimimaro bleeding a lot by taking the desert coffin

http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/215/naruto_ch215_p12.png
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/215/naruto_ch215_p13.png

BLACK-LIQUID-THING capice?

Here's Kimi manipulating his bones, now tell me where is the BLACK LIQUID here?

http://devilbox.dead.org/n/201-210/206/naruto_ch206_p04.png
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/201-210/206/naruto_ch206_p05.png
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/201-210/206/naruto_ch206_p06.png

or here?
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/211/naruto_ch211_p16.png

or here?
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/211/naruto_ch211_p17.png

or here?
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/212/naruto_ch212_p05.png

or here? BLACK LIQUID, not white spinal fluid
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/216/naruto_ch216_p09.png
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/211-220/216/naruto_ch216_p10.png


Kimimaro doesn't bleed by manipulating his bones.Read the manga. Pay attention.Now go and show me Kimimaro sprouting BLACK LIQUID a.ka. BLOOD
from his body even once by doing his bone stuff

And dont say stupid things such as ¨Kimi's blood is multicolored¨

and Ontopic:

Kimi wins this match EASILY.




http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume24.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=35567
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume24.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=35570

im pretty sure there were better ones, but im too lazy to find more

[Yakushi Kabuto]

If Kimimaro didn't know to shield himself before the start of the battle he would loose. Hidan could just scratch the surface of his skin (because if Kimimaro doesn't know about Hidan's ability he probably wouldn't know about Hidan's immortality and so might be caught by surprise - Kimimaro would be quick enough to shield from any real harm, but I still think Hidan might be able to draw a little blood). But if Kimimaro knows to avoid getting his blood shed, he would win, he's fast and skilled enough to avoid Hidan's clumsy swings.

[Kokain]

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume24.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=35567
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume24.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=35570

im pretty sure there were better ones, but im too lazy to find more

That was filler. Kishimoto didn't do the coloring himself. And Kimimaro will win. Hidan can't touch him with his stupid bladed boomerang.

[rashman]

hidan will definately win. :) no matter who you are it's dangerous to use taijutsu against someone like hidan. the last person that did that got himself killed.

honestly its annoying when some people underestimate hidan so much. it like some of you guys think hidan will stand arround and wait for kimimaro to decapitate him. its already shown that hidan is very agile. he's very fast at dodging attacks and on top of that, he is actually a long or medium range fighter. i mean it didn't take him more than five minutes to draw asuma's blood and i doubt kimimaro can beat asuma easily if at all.

kimimaro will defintely put up a good fight but yeah i still think he will lose to hidan. =/

[Yōkai]

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume24.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=35567
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume24.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=35570

im pretty sure there were better ones, but im too lazy to find more

FAIL

That's fan art coloring, dumb. Made by a fan that thought it would look cool to put blood in there, not by Kishimoto

Now, if you can find just ONE image of Kimi sprouting blood from manipulating his morphic bones, i'll give you a big cookie

show me BLOOD

like this:

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i559918_2StainbyAdemar.jpg

kIMI bleeding a lot because of his morphic bones =MADE UP BULLSHIT

Hidan cant do shit against Kimi.

Kimi has better taijutsu and agility, and he can just make the bone armour under skin and Hidan wont be able to make him bleed no matter what, not even the freakin sabaku souzou was able to to make bleed CS2 Kimi. What can do Hidan's silly scythe?

Kimimaro wins in a rapestomp

[Dudemancool]

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume24.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=35576
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume24.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=35577

no fancoloring here, if that was even fancoloring.... u can still see the blood.

[Kokain]

^Youkai's point was blood in Naruto is supposed to be black. So you have a few choices. Either:

a) Find a pic of Kimimaro sprouting bones accompanied by black fluid;
b) Find a pic of someone in the manga who's obviously bleeding, but the blood is white and not black; or
c) come up with a reason like "Kishimoto didn't want to take the trouble to draw ALL the blood black because in Kimi's case it'd take too much work."

The first two would prove your point. The third offers a way out but is in no way conclusive and probably shouldn't be used in a battledome debate.

[Dudemancool]

yo... theres black blood in the links i shown.

as for c.. i have no idea.

[Kokain]

I see little black specks that could be blood...but the bigger specks have white centers. A bit contradictory. Plus, there are some specks even when he's not shooting out bones, so...

[Dudemancool]

lol, i suggest u look at first link 2nd and 3rd frame. seems like blood to me.

[Suzumebachi]

Are people still on about this?

Kimiamro wins this easy.

Hidan is a joke.

[Dudemancool]

i appreciate the love for kimi, dont see that often, but u guys are seriously underestimating Hidan.

he has speed matching that of Asuma's, his scythe is definitely faster and more versatile then drunken rock lee (who was able to land a few direct hits on Kimi), and Kimi spurts blood when sprouting bones from his body.

hidan wins

[Psysalis]

i appreciate the love for kimi, dont see that often, but u guys are seriously underestimating Hidan.

he has speed matching that of Asuma's, his scythe is definitely faster and more versatile then drunken rock lee (who was able to land a few direct hits on Kimi), and Kimi spurts blood when sprouting bones from his body.

hidan wins

I really dont agree with that at all sry , how exactly is it faster ?

Also Hidan is going to have to get up pretty damn close to Kimi to get that blood and as we all know Kimi is damn good at close combat. Hidan better prat to his god that he wont get a blade in the face or any limbs taken off as he trys to lick Kimi's sword or body

[Kakuzu]

If Hidan gets blood first, he wins.

If Kimimaro can incapacitate Hidan by cutting off a limb or his head, he wins.

If Kimimaro has no prior knowledge of Hidan's abilities, Hidan would be able purposely take a hit to get through Kimimaro's guard and get a bit of his blood. That would spell the end for Kimimaro.

[eDyH]

In all seriousness, Kimimaro is superior or equal to Hidan in pretty much every aspect of being a shinobi... but Hidan could probably pull a cheap win fairly easily by surprising Kimimaro after he gets impaled. The element of surprise is not to be underestimated.

[Kakuzu]

In all seriousness, Kimimaro is superior or equal to Hidan in pretty much every aspect of being a shinobi... but Hidan could probably pull a cheap win fairly easily by surprising Kimimaro after he gets impaled. The element of surprise is not to be underestimated.

Exactly what I think. Hidan could pull a fast one on Kimimaro by simply throwing himself right onto Kimimaro's bone sword, and then cutting Kimimaro and taking his blood.

However, without his immortality technique, Hidan would be cut to shreds.

[Suzumebachi]

If Hidan gets blood first, he wins.

Regeneration.

[Dudemancool]

no regeneration if ur stabbed multiple times in the vital organs.

[Suzumebachi]

And Kimimaro just lets that happen.

You do realize Kimimaro ripped out his spinal cord and regenerated it in an instant, right?

[Dudemancool]

uh... kimimaro can regenerate bones, thats his kekkei genkei... he cant regenerate his head or his heart or his lung.

[Suzumebachi]

The spinal cord isn't a bone.

Nor are the organs Kimimaro constantly pierces when he activates his powers.

[Dudemancool]

i dont think kishi agreed with the spinal cord not being a bone (though its probably true), because i recall kimi saying that his spinal cord was the strongest bone in his body. do u have proof that the bones pierce through vital organs?

[Suzumebachi]

because i recall kimi saying that his spinal cord was the strongest bone in his body.

Actually it was the ulna or radius or some combination of those bones in the arm that he called his strongest.

Look, to tear out his spine like that, he had to go through his spinal cord, which controls the body. Thats how people get paralyized. They damage their spinal cord and it can't transmit to the body parts.

Kimimaro's body is so ridiculous.

In fact, it looks here that Kimimaro hardly needs any of those major organs anyways.
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume25big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=28601

[Dudemancool]

Actually it was the ulna or radius or some combination of those bones in the arm that he called his strongest.

Look, to tear out his spine like that, he had to go through his spinal cord, which controls the body. Thats how people get paralyized. They damage their spinal cord and it can't transmit to the body parts.

i dont really understand wat u just said, but look at this

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume24.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=35668

[Suzumebachi]

but look at this

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...&PhotoID=35668

Yes. I've seen that. Many times. What's your point? I was the one that told you that he tore out his spine.


i dont really understand wat u just said

Then I guess we're done here. Hidan loses.

[Dudemancool]

?

i dont see how kimimaro would survive hidan stabbing himself many times at the heart, head, and lungs (kimi probably died from a lung disease).

hell hidan could even just cut his own head off

[Suzumebachi]

i dont see how kimimaro would survive hidan stabbing himself many times at the heart, head, and lungs (kimi probably died from a lung disease).

So you haven't been reading my posts.

At all.

I showed you Kimimaro without several of his major organs.

I showed you Kimimaro tearing out his spinal cord and regenerating it.


Hell, if you even read the manga you'd see that Kimimaro would never even lose a drop of blood to a bumbling idiot like Hidan.

Hidan is a slow, dim witted, sorry excuse for a ninja with ONE jutsu, and not even a very effective jutsu. His taijutsu and speed are laughable. And taijutsu and speed are about all he can do.

Plus, how do we even know that Hidan's ritual will kill Kimimaro? Kimimaro's bones are strong as steel. If Hidan were to stab himself in the heart (even though Kimi would most probably regenerate) would the attack get through the steel bones he can make to protect himself?

hell hidan could even just cut his own head off

Kimimaro's neck is made of steel.

[MasamuneX7]

So you haven't been reading my posts.

At all.

I showed you Kimimaro without several of his major organs.

I showed you Kimimaro tearing out his spinal cord and regenerating it.


Hell, if you even read the manga you'd see that Kimimaro would never even lose a drop of blood to a bumbling idiot like Hidan.

Hidan is a slow, dim witted, sorry excuse for a ninja with ONE jutsu, and not even a very effective jutsu. His taijutsu and speed are laughable. And taijutsu and speed are about all he can do.

Plus, how do we even know that Hidan's ritual will kill Kimimaro? Kimimaro's bones are strong as steel. If Hidan were to stab himself in the heart (even though Kimi would most probably regenerate) would the attack get through the steel bones he can make to protect himself?


Kimimaro's neck is made of steel.

All this is refuted by the fact that Hidan's attack is not physical in nature. It is by all means, magical. The mechanism is completely unknown. If he stabs himself in the heart after getting you in his ritual, a hole will magically appear in your heart. Your defenses mean jackshit. Same with Kimimaro.

Hidan cuts off his head, Kimimaro's head slides off at the same time regardless of his bone strength. That's how it is. Armor working against voodoo doesn't make sense.

[Psysalis]

?

i dont see how kimimaro would survive hidan stabbing himself many times at the heart, head, and lungs (kimi probably died from a lung disease).

hell hidan could even just cut his own head off

If im not mistaken im pretty sure Kimi was able to put extra layers or mask's of bone under his skin. Hidan wont be getting anything under those bones

[MasamuneX7]

If im not mistaken im pretty sure Kimi was able to put extra layers or mask's of bone under his skin. Hidan wont be getting anything under those bones

Armor doesn't bypass voodoo.

[Suzumebachi]

All this is refuted by the fact that Hidan's attack is not physical in nature. It is by all means, magical. The mechanism is completely unknown. If he stabs himself in the heart after getting you in his ritual, a hole will magically appear in your heart. Your defenses mean jackshit. Same with Kimimaro.

Hidan cuts off his head, Kimimaro's head slides off at the same time regardless of his bone strength. That's how it is. Armor working against voodoo doesn't make sense.

And how do you know this?

Hidan's never done this against a monster like Kimimaro.

[Psysalis]

Armor doesn't bypass voodoo.

The scythe wont bypass Kimi's bones . No voodoo is gonna happen, Hidan can swing or toss that thing all he wants. I doubt the thing would even touch him either. Hidan would be risking alot if he got up close to get some blood from Kimi also.

[MasamuneX7]

And how do you know this?

Hidan's never done this against a monster like Kimimaro.

Because it doesn't make sense given the concept of voodoo. There is no physical being stabbing the victim when the voodoo user stabs the doll. Whatever injury the doll suffers just appears on the victim. There is nothing for Kimimaro to block or guard against. A hole will magically open up in his heart and start leaking blood when Hidan stabs himself.

That's how voodoo works. You can continue arguing about whether or not Hidan can get a sample of Kimimaro's blood, but the moment he's caught in the ritual, it's over. Kimimaro doesn't have a jutsu like Shikamaru does or any other type of jutsu that could force Hidan out of the circle without harming himself in the process.

The scythe wont bypass Kimi's bones . No voodoo is gonna happen, Hidan can swing or toss that thing all he wants. I doubt the thing would even touch him either. Hidan would be risking alot if he got up close to get some blood from Kimi also.

He's not risking anything. If anything, Kimimaro is risking his life by getting up close to Hidan. All it takes is one surprise attack if Kimimaro doesn't know about Hidan's immortality. Even if he knew, it is not so easy to disable Hidan.

Databook 2 gives Kimimaro a 4.5 in speed. It also gives both Asuma and Kakashi a 4.5 in speed. Hidan didn't break a sweat keeping up with Asuma and Kakashi. Kimimaro is not faster than Hidan.

[Suzumebachi]

Because it doesn't make sense given the concept of voodoo. There is no physical being stabbing the victim when the voodoo user stabs the doll. Whatever injury the doll suffers just appears on the victim. There is nothing for Kimimaro to block or guard against. A hole will magically open up in his heart and start leaking blood when Hidan stabs himself.

But a hole through Kimimaro's chest couldn't happen. So Hidan's injury is something that wouldn't hurt Kimimaro. The voodoo effecting him doesn't make sense either.

You think Hidan could kill Superman this way?

That's how voodoo works. You can continue arguing about whether or not Hidan can get a sample of Kimimaro's blood, but the moment he's caught in the ritual, it's over. Kimimaro doesn't have a jutsu like Shikamaru does or any other type of jutsu that could force Hidan out of the circle without harming himself in the process.

Again, Kimimaro's regeneration.


He's not risking anything. If anything, Kimimaro is risking his life by getting up close to Hidan. All it takes is one surprise attack if Kimimaro doesn't know about Hidan's immortality. Even if he knew, it is not so easy to disable Hidan.

Hidan hasn't shown a lick of taijutsu on the level of Kimimaro.


Databook 2 gives Kimimaro a 4.5 in speed. It also gives both Asuma and Kakashi a 4.5 in speed. Hidan didn't break a sweat keeping up with Asuma and Kakashi. Kimimaro is not faster than Hidan.

And you forget the databook also gives Kimimaro higher ratings in stamina and taijutsu skill.

[kojak488]

Wow, what a fallacy with the Superman comment Suzu. I know you're being bitchy/sarcastic/stupid or whatever you wish to call it, but Superman is a lot more than just a bone kekkei genkai. He sure as hell doesn't die from anything like AIDS.

[Suzumebachi]

Wow, what a fallacy with the Superman comment Suzu. I know you're being bitchy/sarcastic/stupid or whatever you wish to call it, but Superman is a lot more than just a bone kekkei genkai. He sure as hell doesn't die from anything like AIDS.

Okay.

:huh

Do you realize how bad you are this?

[kojak488]

Says the person comparing Kimmimaro to Superman.

[Suzumebachi]

They are both guys who would be immune to Hidan stabbing them through the heart.

Like how you and Carlos Mencia seem to both think you're good at bashing people.

[kojak488]

Hidan stabbing them through the heart yes, but not stabbing himself. Kimmimaro's kekkei genkai doesn't protect him from an indirect attack, which is what Hidan's technique is. When Hidan stabs himself Kimmimaro's heart will suffer the same damage. There isn't crap Kimmimaro's kekkei genkai can do about it since Hidan isn't stabbing Kimmimaro directly.

Seriously, it isn't hard to understand. Drop your fanboism.

[Edit] And Superman would be immune to Hidan's technique. He's a lot more than a bone kekkei genkai.

[Suzumebachi]

Hidan stabbing them through the heart yes, but not stabbing himself. Kimmimaro's kekkei genkai doesn't protect him from an indirect attack, which is what Hidan's technique is.

But Kimimaro is being stabbed. You can't stab Kimimaro.


[Edit] And Superman would be immune to Hidan's technique. He's a lot more than a bone kekkei genkai.

Hidan couldn't even cut Superman's hair. What the fuck is wrong with you?

[kojak488]

Hidan isn't stabbing Kimmimaro. He's stabbing himself, Hidan. Never will Hidan physically stab Kimmimaro. That's not how his curse works.

Without knowing the exact workings of the curse it's impossible to say that Kimmimaro is immune to it. Why? Because of the way we've seen it work. When Hidan stabs himself there isn't a physical object that stabs the cursed target. It just happens. Does the targets brain tell him it happens? We don't know. Is it magic? We don't know. Regardless, it happens.

I don't know what the hell you're smoking about the last part. I'm saying exactly what you are in regards to Superman. Folks this is why crack is bad for you.

[Law]

Nope, the way Hidan's jutsu works is he deals himself a fatal blow, and the fatal part of it is dealt to his victim instead.

When he killed Asuma, was there all of a sudden a gaping hole in his chest? When he killed Kakazu's heart, was there an explosion of blood signifying Hidan slicing himself?

If so, Suzu wins.
If not, as I remember...then Kimi would still die...bone or not.

[Suzumebachi]

When he killed Asuma, was there all of a sudden a gaping hole in his chest?

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/naruto327.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=24680

Its under his vest.


If so, Suzu wins.

I already told you that I will not have sex with you.

If not, as I remember...then Kimi would still die...bone or not.

The man who can regenerate his spinal cord. Dies. Really?

[Amekage]

it doesn't matter if Kimi draws blood when using his kekei genkai, he coughs up blood. he needs to be terminally ill, or else the kyuubi wouldn't be able to kill him.

and regrowing a spine has nothing to do with surviving a voodoo attack to your heart. his thing is bones, not organs. that's Kakuzu, who blendered by Naruto, who needed to take back his role as main character.

Hidan, we haven't seen everything of his abilities. even Sasori, a puppeteer, got more ability coverage than Hidan. the facts that Hidan is merely incapacitated and has had zero explanation about anything regarding his past are pretty big plotholes, no?

[kojak488]

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/naruto327.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=24680

Its under his vest.



I already told you that I will not have sex with you.


The man who can regenerate his spinal cord. Dies. Really?

First, it still doesn't work like Asuma got "stabbed." His wound was mimmiced.

Second, Kimmimaro doesn't keep a bone shielding surrounding his entire body much less his heart. Doing so would drain away his chakra continuously.

Third, Kimmimaro doesn't know what's about to happen after Hidan gets the blood. Without any defense, which wouldn't work anyway, he's a goner once the blood is retrieved.

Fourth, his kekkei genkai is bone tissue and calcium, not heart or other tissues. He can apparently heal the small wounds that he receives from pulling out bones, but nothing beyond that. It especially won't work on the inner organs. I have proof.

The guy coughed up blood. If he could "regenerate" in the sense that you mean, then why is he dieing from failing organs? Wouldn't he just regenerate them? Sure, if he could. He can't.

[Suzumebachi]

First, it still doesn't work like Asuma got "stabbed." His wound was mimmiced.

I don't think you're quite sure what you're trying to explain.


Second, Kimmimaro doesn't keep a bone shielding surrounding his entire body much less his heart. Doing so would drain away his chakra continuously.

He can do it when needed. He said so himself.



Third, Kimmimaro doesn't know what's about to happen after Hidan gets the blood. Without any defense, which wouldn't work anyway, he's a goner once the blood is retrieved.

1. You still haven't proved that Kimi's defenses won't save him.
2. No proof he simply can't regenerate from it.
3. Hidan is too fail to even get any blood from Kimimaro.

Fourth, his kekkei genkai is bone tissue and calcium, not heart or other tissues. He can apparently heal the small wounds that he receives from pulling out bones, but nothing beyond that. It especially won't work on the inner organs. I have proof.

Did you miss the scan I posted of Kimimaro WITHOUT most of his inner organs? And the scan I posted of Kimimaro ripping out his spinal cord and regenerating it?


The guy coughed up blood. If he could "regenerate" in the sense that you mean, then why is he dieing from failing organs? Wouldn't he just regenerate them? Sure, if he could. He can't.

Kabuto had no idea what Kimimaro was dying from.

[kojak488]

I don't think you're quite sure what you're trying to explain.

Sure I do. One of your original points is that Kimmimaro can't be stabbed throught he heart by Hidan because of his kekkei genkai. That's obvious. Hidan can't stab Kimmimaro through the heart physically. Fortunately, that isn't how the curse works. It doesn't attack in a manner that Kimmimaro's kekkei genkai can counter.

Asuma was never "stabbed." The wound was a mimicry of what happened to Hidan.

He can do it when needed. He said so himself.

I didn't say he couldn't do it. I didn't say he couldn't do it when needed. My point is that he doesn't keep it around him all the time during battle. He uses it, as you said, when it's needed. He knows when it's needed because he's about to be hit by a direct attack.

When Hidan is doing his curse he won't directly attack Kimmimaro. Kimmimaro will sit there and see Hidan about to stab himself. Why the hell would he waste chakra putting on bone armor when he isn't even about to get attacked (as far as he knows).

Kimmimaro's lack of knowledge on Hidan's ability is seriously detrimental.

1. You still haven't proved that Kimi's defenses won't save him.

I'm telling you why it won't. Kimmimaro's defense is a defense against direct, physical attacks. There won't be an object piercing into Kimmimaro's chest to defend against. The damage just appears. At best Kimmimaro could line his entire body with bone and even surround his heart. That won't stop Hidan's technique because, through a curse, the heart will appear with damage.

2. No proof he simply can't regenerate from it.

Sure there is. Kimmimaro can't regenerate his body from its failing organs. That alone points to the fact that he can't regenerate his organs in any sense. He coughs up blood. His body failed and he died. If he could regenerate why is he coughing up blood and dieing?

Moreover, the explanation of his kekkei genkai is controlling bone tissue, density, and calcium. It doesn't ever mention regeneration. The only regeneration we've seen was all bone related or the small tissue healing from his bone's exit wounds. It's a big jump to healing a screwed up, complex organ.

3. Hidan is too fail to even get any blood from Kimimaro.

That isn't even in question here. We're talking about the curse and how it'll affect Kimmimaro. Moreover, Kimmimaro spits up a lot of blood. See you already failed.

Did you miss the scan I posted of Kimimaro WITHOUT most of his inner organs?

The one where he is about to kill Gaara right before he dies? No, I saw it. I just missed the part where it said he was without most of his inner organs. His entire upper torso looked visible to me. His inner body didnt' disappear by any means. Hell, during that very attack he kills over because his body shuts down.

And the scan I posted of Kimimaro ripping out his spinal cord and regenerating it?

He didn't rip out his spinal cord to any point that his spinal cord was gone. Instead, more bones grew from the spinal cord and kept on growing until he had his weapon.

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume24.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=35666

There it starts growing on its own.

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume24.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=35667

Looks like his spine is still very much intact to me right after he pulled a different one out.

It's fairly obvious that he didn't regenerate a spinal cord. He grew more bones from the spinal cord section and pulled that out.

Oh, by the way, that's a lot of blood pouring out and covering his new weapon. There is indeed plenty of blood for Hidan to use.

Kabuto had no idea what Kimimaro was dying from.[/QUOTE]

What's that have to do with it? If Kimmimaro could regenerate those organs, then he would. He wouldn't be on his death bed. He certainly won't know he's about to be stabbed either to try and stop it.

[MasamuneX7]

Suzumebachi, you just aren't getting it. Maybe I should draw a diagram:

-> - sharp weapon | - shield [ - undamaged tissue O - hole in tissue

A. Hidan stabs Kimimaro in the heart: -> |[ = |[ (no effect, Kimimaro's bone shield blocked sharp weapon, tissue undamaged)

B. Hidan stabs himself: -> [ = O (Hidan has no shield, hole in Hidan's tissue)

There is an invisible object stabbing Kimimaro at the same time as a result of Hidan's ritual: -> |[ = |[ (shield blocks sharp weapon, Kimimaro's tissue is intact)

C. Hidan stabs himself: -> [ = O (Hidan has no shield, hole in Hidan's tissue)

There is nothing stabbing Kimimaro at the same time, a hole just appears for no reason: |[ = |O (the shield has not even been touched, but there is a now a hole in Kimimaro's tissue for no reason)

C is what happens.

I could be an ass and use your type of logic to back my opinion that Hidan has infinite stamina.

Why? He doesn't die. With a heart that's been stabbed so many times, it must not matter where the blood flows in Hidan's body. Temperature must not matter to him. PH must not matter to him. There is nothing normal inside his body. Things just go on forever. It would thus be silly to conclude that Hidan can even get tired because his body goes on forever. There is nothing that fails inside. He could remove an organ and still be alive. He can have his head separate from his body and without a larynx or any oxygen going to his brain, he can still talk. His body could be completely empty and he'd still be alive. He just is.

Hidan's infinite stamina outlasts Kimimaro.

Kimimaro actually dies from a disease. Hidan doesn't. His body doesn't fail from anything. He can even talk without lungs. Hidan rips out some organs and throws them at Kimimaro. Kimimaro accidentally ingests some of Hidan's impure blood and it makes him sick. Kimimaro then gets light-headed and collapses. With his defenses down, Hidan starts the ritual anyways and stabs himself in the heart. Kimimaro, now tired and defenseless, dies.

[iander]

Hidan is the anti-kimi. Hes got good tai as seen by dodging shika and cutting Asuma at the same time and matching with kakashi. Hes invulnerable to the mere cuts and scratches he'd likely get from kimi and his ritual would easily kill kimi. Kimi cant regenerate his organs or he would not have died from an illness. No matter how much a fanboy you are, kimi wont win this one.

[KraehSeraph]

Well as we could see in the second Hidan fight, his taijutsu was just about equal to Kakashi's, and Kakashi's taijutsu was nearly Kimmimaru's level at the end of part I(databooks), and assuming he's grown in strength between the 2.5 year period, his taijutsu would deffinitely be at least at Kimmimaru's level, meaning Hidan and Kimmimaru would have practically equal taijutsu. Kimimmaru's pretty hard to land a scratch on, but Hidan is immortal, and the term S-rank doesn't count for nothing, and also his voodoo technique could kill Kimmimaru, no matter how strong his bones are.
So i'd say the fight would either be equal or Hidan would win.