Itachi vs. Sarutobi

[Rellik]

Scenario: Sasuke and Naruto eliminate all of Akatsuki besides Itachi. They chase him down to a cave, where Itachi just developed his 3rd MS technique, time travel. He time travels back 40 years, Sasuke uses the sharingan to try to follow but cannot. He does however master it enough to move the portal to the Hokage's office where he informs the strongest ninja of Konoha of Itachi's abilities and threat level.

(Remember Sarutobi doesn't have death god jutsu as it wasn't invented yet.)

Skills:
Sarutobi: Enma, high level earth and fire elements, shadow clone, technique neutralizer(Which is probably one of the most underated techniques.), and knowledge of all Konoha jutsus.

Itachi: High level fire and water elements, Sharingan, MS techniques, explosive shadow clone, and an illusion master.

[Kyon]

Indeed a difficult fight. Sarutobi will have to be wary of Itachi's genjutsu, and as he's in his prime this could potentially be something easy for him. Itachi has nothing that can stand up to Enma in pole form except for Amaretsu, and with each cast of Amaretsu his chakra level goes down considerably.

However, Itachi can throw back any ninjutsu Sarutobi throws at him, nullify the genjutsu, and predict and counter the taijutsu. This battle depends almost purely on stamina, which Prime Sarutobi arguably has more of.

I'd give this to Sarutobi, for sheer amount of stamina. Old Sarutobi lasted long enough to face two Hokages and Orochimaru. Prime Sarutobi should be powerful enough to outlast Itachi. Though this would be very close.

[Terryc250]

are u limiting the characters to the jutsus you posted? Or could they use all of their jutsus? Because those characters have waay more jutsus then just the ones u stated

[durtycheese]

ill go with itachi.

[Rellik]

are u limiting the characters to the jutsus you posted? Or could they use all of their jutsus? Because those characters have waay more jutsus then just the ones u stated

I am not, but those are the only canon material we have to go on. There's vague statements of Sarutobi knowing all leaf jutsus (and even then people argue that he just knows the dynamics of all the techniques and not how to do them) but we've only seen like 12. So rather than me using conjecture to make up their skill set I used jutsus they actually used. (For example we can be pretty damn sure Sarutobi can summon lesser monkeys but what powers the lesser monkeys have is unknown).

My personal pick would be Sarutobi, with knowledge of Itachi's MS technique he most likely could come up with counter or at least relate it to similar jutsus he has seen before. Being the "professor" he is he could probably formulate a good fighting style for the MS, I don't think he would have any problems with the regular Sharingan seeing as he would know the clan pretty well since they are under his command. So the whole thing comes up to how Sarutobi could counter in Itachi's advanced sharingan skills.

[Lujo]

I say itachi...if Sandaime uses any jutsu, he could copy it. He is probably about as fast as Sandaime, and can therefore probably dodge every nin- or taijutsu he makes..and ha can also perforn jutsus faster than a Sharingan eye can notice, and then there is no way Sandaime can predict them. Amaterasu is probably one of the most powerful Ninjutsus ever, Tsukiyomi most probably THE most powerful Genjutsu..

It would probaby be a tough fight, but if Sandaime gives Itachi enough time to use tsukiyomi on him (and with Itachi´s reactions that wouldn't be more than a second) he is dead. if he gives him enoght time to use Amaterasu, he is toast. Litterally.

[Kai]

So essentially this is Sarutobi in his prime. A difficult battle for Sarutobi to be the victor, but he can pull it off. God of Shinobi isn't a title that can be a prize for winning a bingo game.

Itachi would pulverize Old man Sarutobi though.

[Saosin]

Itachi .

[00raikiri00]

Indeed, this is a close match. I would say Sarutobi knows probably way more techiniques, but Itachi would probably outrun him. um.. I don't really know, but I would say that sarutobi might win

[Blood_Senbon]

yes this will be a close battle but itachi can out run him but sarutobi knows more techniques but in the end i think itachi will win is he plays his jutsus right

[hyuuga_neji14732]

I think Sandaime would win because he was able to defeat Shodaime and Nidaime and almost defeat Orochimaru at once and he only lost becuz he hesitated to kill Orochimaru

[Itachi Pwnz All]

Sadly enough as much as I love Itachi he'll probably lose this one only because everytime he uses the sharingan he goes down in chakra and ends up not able stand out. Sure he's hella powerful but, he can't allow the fight to last any long...If he's to in he'll have to make it fast other than that...Sarutobi wins for sure

[sandydeath101]

Sarutobi has this fight won.

[Rurushu]

not that death god jutsu is not learned
itachi genjutsus and techniques will be to strong for him
and itachis mangekyou sharingan

[uchiha sandsy]

Itachi is the strongest Ninja in the anime (perhaps the akatsuki leader is stronger), but yeh, Itachi ftw

[King]

Itachi wins.

[anime_lover143]

My Itachi gonna win cause he da best I mean he da hottest guy I know

[Spell]

My Itachi gonna win cause he da best I mean he da hottest guy I know
And he wins just because of that fact?

[bbvvccxx]

I think Sarutobi would win simply because knows so many ways to fight. He knows all the Konoha jutsu and numerous others. Although Itatchi could copy his jutsu, I think he could win only using taijutsu.

[Sarutobi Satoshi]

Sarutobi for sure.

[Pein]

sarutobi takes this

[balmung29]

Id say Sarutobi. Main reasons are he is in his prime, has a lot more chakra and stamina, his body is not as old, and he already knows of the Sharingan

[.Nagato.]

this is hard, but itachi still wins

[heavy_rasengan]

This is a difficult fight indeed but the problem is that we really havn't seen what Itachi is really capable of. Itachi hasn't gone all out at all, every fight he has been in, hes been calm. We havn't seen much of prime sarutobi as well but we can judge his actions at the most by looking at his capabilities when he is old. I would still go with itachi, his techniques would prove to be much faster and in turn much more fatal. Sarutobi is of corse very strong but Itachi can copy even the strongest techniques. I would place my bet on Itachi but I will admit that it would be very, very close.

[kidjutsu]

I dont think this seems like much of a match in the anime battle done (try rredoing in manga battles). The reason I say this is that in the anime we only seen Itachi use some decent genjutsu and ninjutsu, but mostly run away (from jaraiya and gai +gang). Furthermore, the anime I feel has portrayed Sarutobi as the strongest nin yet>>>>1 episode is called kage level battle because of him vs oro, and we've seen him take on both of his predecessor + oro at the same time.

So in this section Sarutobi takes it

[yondaime3.0]

I have only one thing to say. Itachi mangeyo sharingan will wipe saru out

[Zarigani]

Hmm..this is difficult. Because we haven't seen Itachi go all out, and we don't know how Sarutobi was in his prime.

I would say their about equal in every aspect, but Sarutobi draws the longest straw in the end.

[K']

Sarutobi would win.

[zaiigoukyou]

Didn't Sarutobi struggle against Orochimaru and isn't Orochimaru afraid of Itachi? On top of that we haven't fully seen what Itachi is capable of. One things is for sure it would be one of the most tactical battles in the series. I would give the nod to Itachi simply because he's much stronger then Orochimaru.
Itachi > Sarutobi >> Orochimaru.

[K']

I think this will be a draw.

[Murderous Intent]

Didn't Sarutobi struggle against Orochimaru and isn't Orochimaru afraid of Itachi? On top of that we haven't fully seen what Itachi is capable of. One things is for sure it would be one of the most tactical battles in the series. I would give the nod to Itachi simply because he's much stronger then Orochimaru.
Itachi > Sarutobi >> Orochimaru.

lol, the fact that one person can beat another person doesnt mean that the first person can also beat someone else. Plus orochimaru THINKS itachi is stronger, which doesnt necessarily mean that itachi really is stronger. He did flee from jiraiya who is a sannin as well after all. Orochimaru was probably able to beat the third thanks to the summoning of first and the second. I cant see itachi using the same summoning justu against the third. I think sarutobi will win.

[Nidaime]

Didn't Sarutobi struggle against Orochimaru and isn't Orochimaru afraid of Itachi?

Orochimaru was his STUDENT! So you would kill your own pupil after ... 10 years of training + 40 years of relationship?
It is true that Itachi ran away, but he only did it, because it was not his mission to fight with Konoha ninja. Like many skilled ninja, Sarutobi certainly could do jutsu without handsigns(what are they called...i've forgotten it), but Kishi did not introduce it to the manga at that time.
Sarutobi as the most famous Ninja for nearly 40-50 years would definitely win against the Itachi we know till yet. Team 7 won against him with a 30%, but the Prime Sarutobi would take out Naruto and Kakashi in seconds. I do not want to take your scheme of "he won against him, who has won against him, so >..>", but this way it looks like after my example. Saru would have many (more than Itachi, that he learned from himself without looking at his Akatsuki mates; I do not think they have shown him any) S-class jutsu that would be able to use. As a great taijutsu user he also could fight with closed eyes against him, so the M.S. goes poof. And even if I. copies his jutsu to neutralize them, he would loose much chakra. (They would fight for death not like in the training match with S/N vs Kakashi, so they would use jutsus all the time without much hiding.)

I hate to say it, but all this "Itachi powns Saru point" fanboys should just leave the battledome. If your purpose is spamming go to the fanclubs oder off topic forum. And what about this: Saru is strong but Itachi uses MS so BÄM!?? It would be helpful is you could describe the situation/moment, when Itachi has the chance to use it.

[Nidaime]

WTF delete my post pls any moderator. My brwoser has gone crazy.

[Nidaime]

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[Uchiha Maikeru]

Oooh. This is a good one. Sarutobi in his prime, versus Itachi, he might be in his prime. This is hard to judge since I've never seen what Sarutobi was capable of in his prime. :P I'd have to say Itachi. Itachi would give Sarutobi a good fight. I think he's probably better with taijutsu, his genjutsu is ridiculously strong, he's incredibly fast, etc.

[Murderous Intent]

Can you stop posting manga spoilers, its anime battledome, i dont want to know that shit, geeez.

[Naruto_Sama]

Itachi. Young Sarutobi? Sarutobi.

[Hitokiri118]

from what we have seen of itachi it is too hard to tell itachi probly has many justu we dont know about and he stoped orochimaru {the man who defeated sarutobi} with genjustu i think itachi would win

[K I S K E]

Sarutobi wins this big time. Even in his old age he managed to use a Genin level technique to take down two former kages, and half ass incapicitate Oro in his prime. And he was like.... 80 or something.
Now he is quite a bit younger, and is just a better shinobi.
He is probably smarter, can come up with great strategies in a moments notice, and he jus outclasses Itachi completely.

[durtycheese]

lol, the fact that one person can beat another person doesnt mean that the first person can also beat someone else. Plus orochimaru THINKS itachi is stronger, which doesnt necessarily mean that itachi really is stronger. He did flee from jiraiya who is a sannin as well after all. Orochimaru was probably able to beat the third thanks to the summoning of first and the second. I cant see itachi using the same summoning justu against the third. I think sarutobi will win.

LOL you will eat those words aobut oro THINKING itach iis stronger later...............

[Kuya]

So then, this is Sarutobi Prime?

God of Shinobi wins.

[Kaiji]

i duno really i just gonna guess hope i get right i say itachi

[Itachi-Kun151]

itachi pwns cause orochimaru killed sarutobi and orochimaru is weaker than itachi

[Raiden]

It's a very difficult choice but I think that Itachi would win in the end only because he could easily catch Sarutobi in genjutsu.

[Moogle101]

Sarutobi is considered a god amongst shinobi, so he probably beats Itachi, but just barely

[Metric]

If this is Old Sarutobi he loses pretty squarely, MAYBE forcing a tie through shiki Fuujin.

[Kyuubi_Naruto3]

Itachi Pwns Orochimarus original body Student > Sensei so Itachi wins

[momolade]

sarutobi prime wins

[Crystal Renee]

Itachi. Because Sarutobi is dead. :sag

[Scyke]

Even though im a huge itachi fan i have to admit that sarutobi would win this one. I mean he is considered the best of hokages, a god among ninjas. even though itachi has his sharingan and genjutsu and tons of techniques sarutobi took on the 1st and 2nd hokage! (When he was facing Oro.) So I think that it may be hard but sarutobi would win in the end.

[master bruce]

itachi wins.
Just cause they considered the 3rd a "god among shinobi" is a jester of great respect as well as the whole "greatest of all hokage" thing.

They greatly respected him and he did great things like achieve peace and trained the 4th who is arguativly considered by many to be the greatest.

Any way, all that stuff means nothing, its purly a respect thing.

Itachi bloodlusted wouldn't care about that.

Think about this, orochimaru could have beaten the 3rd and they both knew it, that's why the 3rd had to resort to using that suicide "reaper jutsu". He knew he couldn't be a real match for orochimaru. Furthermore, that wasn't even his jutsu, it was a jutsu created by the 4th, who is really better than sarotobi in every way, He stopped the nine tailed fox, who would crush orochimaru, who the 3rd couldn't even kill.
Plus, with rasengan, and thundergod jutsu, the 4th really is better than even sarotobi prime. Hell, 3rd didn't even have one jutsu that could do shit to orochimaru and you know it, he had to "jutsu jack" from the 4th to even stop him. Plus, if that jutsu hadn't killed him, orochimaru would have finished him off without the use of his arms.(he is badass without using his arms/see fights)


Keep in mind that itachi merely brushed off and completely crushed a powerful attack from orochimaru off and nearly killed him.

That was before orochimaru left akatsuki which really wasn't that long ago.
Plus, he never made plans to try itachi again because even with the new jutsu he had learned, itachi was still more powerful and unstoppable with his MS Sharingan and immense chakra, skill.

Even in his prime I don't see sarotobi beating itachi, espeacially if itachi is pissed off.

I doubt sarotobi has a jutsu or technique for fighting against itachi's level of MS Sharingan mastery.

Plus, remember that itachi is the greatest genius of the "legendary" uchiha clan. He was the best. Is the best. Itachi only retreats in battles with people like jaraiya, who would wipe the floor with sarotobi and even would be on par with sarotobi prime. Hell just cause sarotobi prime taught them doesn't mean the student can't surpass the teacher(just look at the 4th, he surpassed sarotobi in every way.) So don't even try to give me any BS about sarotobi training them and being better, cause we all know that the student can surpass the teacher.

Hell, look at Kenshin and how he surpassed his teacher.
Sasuke surpassed kakashi, Yeah kakashi still can pull MS trump card and mindrape the hell out of him, but other than that, sasuke would slaughter him.


Look at naruto, he could beat kakashi if properly motivated.

It depends on the student and depends on the teacher.


Anyway, back to my point,
Itachi would slaughter old sarotobi sensai and would still thrash sarotobi prime.


You know it.



(heart beats, begins beating faster,)

Sarotobi prime:"Where am I... What...I can't move...my...body...uh..uh..."

Itachi(bloodlusted)(In calm sadistic voice):In here You are nothing.You are no one. I control time, and every thing else, I shape reality the way I see fit. Don't you feel the noose tigtening around your neck?!?"


Sarotobi:"Ah..uhhh..Can't...breathe....uhhh....ah..uhh."

Itachi:"For the next 72 hours you will be strangulated, stabbed by 1000 blades, and witness the demise of every man.woman. and child. of this pathetic village, all at the same time. ah hu hu ha ha ha(sadisticly calm laugh).



(after the jutsu)

Sarotobi prime is sprawled out on the ground barely clinging to his insanity, barely concious. He looks up at itachi, who is standing over him.

He attempts an earth style jutsu, but itachi stops him before he can finsih the hand signs with a swipe superspeed back slap(like he did sasuke). Sarotobi is sent careening 50 meters into a tree. He hits the tree with great force and bouces off it, smacking the ground face first.

Itachi:"Farewell, sarotobi. Hmph."

Then uses amaterasu to roast him with black flames as hot as the sun.




Itachi wins.

[~ Son of SPARDA ~]

Sarutobi might stand a whispered prayer of a chance against Itachi, but would ultimately prove to be no match for Itachi's MS techniques.

Itachi wins this, with little difficulty.

[allin4narnia]

LOL @ everyone saying " Itachi > Oro > Sarutobi.
How about this... Itachi is scarred of Jaraiya and Sarutobi tought Jaraiya so that means Sarutobi > Itachi.

I think Sarutobi wins this in an epic battle unless he somehow gets caught in a Genjutsu from Mangekyo Sharingan.

And if Itachi can easily beat Sarutobi Prime, then Itachi should have had no problem beating Kakashi and Naruto even at 30% power. Sarutobi is at least 3x stronger than what they showed while fighting Itachi.

[Kai]

LOL @ everyone saying " Itachi > Oro > Sarutobi.
How about this... Itachi is scarred of Jaraiya and Sarutobi tought Jaraiya so that means Sarutobi > Itachi.

I think Sarutobi wins this in an epic battle unless he somehow gets caught in a Genjutsu from Mangekyo Sharingan.

And if Itachi can easily beat Sarutobi Prime, then Itachi should have had no problem beating Kakashi and Naruto even at 30% power. Sarutobi is at least 3x stronger than what they showed while fighting Itachi.

In the Invasion of Konoha Arc, Sarutobi was expelling more than he could account for just to keep up. Itachi wouldn't waste a second breath in mimicking Sandaime's elementals with impeccable accuracy. If it's a stamina game Sandaime wants to play, he'd be the first to expire.

Avoiding MS instantly translates to avoiding eye contact. The curtains of chance just close on Sarutobi if anyone believes he could pull this off while looking elsewhere; if anything, he'd be selling his soul to a bunshin feint, due to Itachi's swift speed of hand seals that nearly conned a fully developed Sharingan.

The Professor is just too old for this.

[Ryuk]

Itatchi considering
orochimaru killed sarutobi and he said itatchi was stronger than orochimaru

[PisOgPapir]

If this is Old Sarutobi he loses pretty squarely, MAYBE forcing a tie through shiki Fuujin.

Read the damn OP will you?

This is Sarutobi, IN HIS PRIME.
We're talking about, the God of Shinobi, the one who knew every jutsu in the whole village. To top that off, he has FULL knowledge of Itachis abillties, every single one of them. Itachi doesn't have of his.

Imagine this scenario. Sarutobi knows when itachi will appear. He Fills the room with Shadow bind. Itachi pops out, and he's bound and strangulated.

Konoha has thousands of jutsu.

Sarutobi.

[Yellow]

Well if Itachi has the power of time travel he can just travel back in time and redo the fight if he's about to lose.:oh

[Lawliet]

Old fart with giant stick and talking monkey>itachi

[Toruji Ichutake]

Sarutobi is Hokage for a reason. Prime Sarutobi should be able to handle Itachi and should be able to get out of Itachi's genjutsus. But if he would to summon Enma, the Sarutobi obviously wins. Itachi can't trap two people in his Mangekyo Sharingan at the same time.

[Violent-nin]

Since it's Sarutobi in his prime he takes this fight, but with a great deal of difficulty.

:sarutobi

[Sοra]

sarutobi would beat itachi and if he doesnt he'll put up one hell of a fight

[Even]

Difficult fight, yes.... I still think Sarutobi will take it though...

[maximilyan]

I've read most of these posts. can someone please give me a logical explanation of how itachi would defeat sandaime in his prime?

Itachi ran from jriaiya. and 3rd in his prime >> sannin. so someone please give a logical explanation as to why they think itachi would win

[XLightninX]

I agree i mean look at the facts: jiraiya would beat itachi (itachi said it himself) jiraiya is a sannin so is orochimaru and he almost got his ass kicked by sarutobi and he used the 1st and 2nd hokage might i add so if sarutobi was able to destroy orochimaru's arms while beeing attacked by 2 hokages i think itachi would be a barely interesting challenge for sarutobi ^_^

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[anbui_tachi]

would be very close but if itachi catches sarutobi in his ms, itachi wins, although it would be very hard to do. this would come down to luck but i would have to give it to itachi

[Sunrider]

Itachi versus a prime-of-his-life Sarutobi?

This isn't a fight, it's a schooling.

Sarutobi wins it. Class dismissed.

[Spanish Hoffkage]

Prime sarutobi only can lose against like 3 people in the whole series maximum

Itachi is not one of those

[Sōsuke Aizen]

itachi could take old sarutobi out, since orochi pretty much did.

[aceka]

Hello people!

This discussion is very long. I have 2 very powerfull arguments that SARUTOBI winning this match.
1. How people said when Itachi and Kisame ran away from Jiraya Itachi said that Jiraya would kill them both, or they would die all. So here is first argument that Jiraya is not stronger than SARUTOBI.
2. When SARUTOBI fought against Orochimaru, who Orochimaru summoned??? Yes, people you're right it was First-Hashirama and second Hokages. Please, tell me who fought Uchiha Madara and lost???
I tell you, it was First Hokage-Senju Hashirama. So, if Uchiha Madara lost to Hashirama. And SARUTOBI fought against First and second at one time and won. So, SANDAIME is more powerfull than First and Second. So it means that SARUTOBI can win Uchiha Madara. Uchiha Madara - who had first Mangekyu Sharingan, and was the strongest in Uchiha clan!!!

So, people I think this is more than understandable for you that SARUTOBI is the best ninja of 5 Ninja nations.

SARUTOBI(much powerfull)>>>>Itachi

[DmonkeyD]

good one but itachi wins.

[ShikonSoulreaper]

Ok, first, Sarutobi vs Orochimaru has nothing to do with this thread. Orochi summoned the two other hokage to fight for him. So Orochi's strength against Sarutobi is really unknown. Besides, Ithachi beat Orochi, so that nothing. Next, in the manga, itachi and kisame talk and agree that Jiraya and Itachi would either kill each other or at least incapacitate one another in a fight.

Now, after that, Jiraya being stronger than Sarutobi is an assumed fact, so I would say that Itachi would beat the Third.

[somnus nemoris]

Kage level owns Uchiha.

[ShikonSoulreaper]

Kage level owns Uchiha.




Uchiha is at or above Kage level

[Nae'blis]

Sarutobi is talented beyond what we saw from him. he would defeat Itachi

[Light Warrior]

Sarutobi couldn't beat Orochimaru (he had to give up his life just to seal off his arms) and Orochimaru couldn't beat Itachi, therefore Sarutobi would be curb-stomped by Itachi. During Sarutobi's prime, however, he might have been a match for Itachi. I mean, he was the Hokage, after all.

[S0ulz]

It will be a damm close fight, but my vote goes to itachi.

[~Namine]

So itachi :LOS

[Gaara517]

It would be close but i think Itachi would win

[Hydde]

Very close match.... but lets face it...sarutobi in hisprime would be a monster.

He must be very awareof Uchiha´s fighting style.... since he learned from the first hokages and he HAD to learn how Uchiha works, since he was their leader after all.

Itachi is a monster who would overwelm almost everyone.....but this time, even when IMO this would be a hell of a fight...... this are those cases where the experience prevails against skill.

Sarutobi wins.

[☆Northstar☆]

It would be one hell of a fight but I think Sarutobi prime wins this.

[SSJ4 Kyuubi]

Ima say Sarutobi.

Itachi relies on his eyes far too much. And they have nasty side effects, i dont think he would be much of a match for a prime Sarutobi.

[ZigZag]

I say Itachi since Sarutobi had lots of trouble when fighting Oro, But thats just what I think..