View Full Version : Gaara in the desert(no Suna below) VS Anyone with the skills they've shown ONLY.
Hiruma
02-19-2007, 10:10 PM
You assume control of the character in this match. By that, I mean you can give the character certain actions as long as he can do them(you can't make Naruto use sharingan for example, but you can make someone who wouldn't usually aim for the kill straight away do it provided it's a jutsu he's done before)
Deidara.
He starts off in the sky on his bird, waits for Gaara to ascend to his level. Starts to rain Gaara with bombs, eventually mixes in a bomb with Gaara's sand much the same way he did before. If Gaara leaves even a tiny opening, #18 wins him the match.
mootz
02-19-2007, 10:18 PM
naruto uses a frs and blows gaara's sand away. he then procedes to cry about sasuke.
Hiruma
02-19-2007, 10:22 PM
Naruto is useless against Gaara because he has no ranged attacks.
Deidara's bombs would get countered by the Shield of Sand, what really mattered was Suna below which stopped Gaara from raining tons of sand above Deidara.
Deidara's bombs would get countered by the Shield of Sand, what really mattered was Suna below which stopped Gaara from raining tons of sand above Deidara.
Deidara was also trying to capture, and not kill, Gaara, with his limited amount of clay. With a greater amount of clay, the will to kill Gaara, and his own intelligence he should prevail over him.
It takes time for the sand to reach the skies, and Deidara is going to constantly be moving. Hell, he's so high up he needs a scouter to see his opponents.
Though this thread makes me think what Gaara would do against a genjutsu user...one Tsukuyomi from Itachi or really genjutsu from anyone and Gaara would have a tough time.
mootz
02-19-2007, 10:38 PM
Naruto is useless against Gaara because he has no ranged attacks.
Deidara's bombs would get countered by the Shield of Sand, what really mattered was Suna below which stopped Gaara from raining tons of sand above Deidara.
wow noob you manged to forget that the only two people to beat gaara are naruto and deidara :oh . but i guess that was pnj and gaara can just beat everyone :amazed
naruto beats gaara as well as deidara if he brings more clay with him i know it sounds crazy :nuts
anyway dont wanna sound like a jerk though i know i must right about know. :P
TreeofSephri
02-19-2007, 11:17 PM
This fight is quite creative and I commend you on that topic creator but a little crazy. I cannot think of any character that could beat Gaara in a desert because their is essentially no safe place to launch a attack. The air is not a viable option when Gaara can just launch a Sand Tsunami and bring you down to the desert where a sand tomb awaits. Gaara in a desert with full control over his Bijuu is almost unstoppable. Kyuubi might stand a chance.
Rokurai
02-20-2007, 01:12 AM
Cursed Seal Level 2 Sasuke bombards Gaara with Katon, appears behind him and kicks him into the air, then flies up to him and fries him with Chidori.
durtycheese
02-20-2007, 02:41 AM
i would say the only people that can beat gaara in the desert would be naruto and various memebers of the akatsuki.
Kisame-
02-20-2007, 02:49 AM
Sorry for my spelling in advance.
Why has no one mentioned Kimmimaru? It was shown quite clearly that Gaara was unable to stop him and his unique bloodline techniques. And in a situation like this (where we can assume Kimmimaru is healthy), I don't think extra sand will do anything except slow him down. The only thing that worries me is the fact we never actually saw Gaara's growth over the timeskip. I'm assuming his skills are around the same level - with slight improvements all around - but nothing special. As for the original post, using only shown techniques, I say Kimmimaru can kill a non-transformed Gaara (since I don't think this was the original intent either - to have Gaara's bijuu going around killing everyone).
TreeofSephri
02-20-2007, 10:43 AM
You guys are crazy if you think anyone can win this battle. The whole battle field is Gaara's weapon. That means the enemy will be 200ft under sand before they have chance to even think about attacking. Sawarabi no Mai will not be work due to the fact Gaara can levitate. By then , Kimimaro would be out of chakra.
Rokurai
02-20-2007, 12:07 PM
TreeofSephri, you're the one that's crazy. When Gaara fought Kimimaro, you might as well say he was in a desert. The entire battlefield was sand and he could make more at will.
Kimimaro won because of his ability, not how much sand there was.
Second of all, Gaara would be the one out of chakra. When you bury someone under 200ft of chakra controlled sand, it's pretty safe to say it will drain you. And if that happened, a Sawarabi no Mai could quickly come up to the surface and Kimimaro could pop out of it and be back in the fight. It doesn't take all his chakra.
successortt
02-20-2007, 01:04 PM
Deidara.
He starts off in the sky on his bird, waits for Gaara to ascend to his level. Starts to rain Gaara with bombs, eventually mixes in a bomb with Gaara's sand much the same way he did before. If Gaara leaves even a tiny opening, #18 wins him the match.
This is the same thing which happened in the magna. Since Suna isn't here to protect number 18 probably would not be used, and if it was it would be used on Gaara, which he could then use that huge sand wall to protect himself.
Your other issue here is how is he going to mix his clay into the sand. His first encounter with Gaara he got lucky, because it was only his arm. Also if we are assuming that both characters know each other, then theres no way Gaara would use his Desert Coffin without Deidara's whole body in the sand coffin. Even with more clay there would be any difference if he can't mix his call into the correct sand(meaning the sand Gaara uses to protect himself..
TreeofSephri, you're the one that's crazy. When Gaara fought Kimimaro, you might as well say he was in a desert. The entire battlefield was sand and he could make more at will.
Kimimaro won because of his ability, not how much sand there was.
Second of all, Gaara would be the one out of chakra. When you bury someone under 200ft of chakra controlled sand, it's pretty safe to say it will drain you. And if that happened, a Sawarabi no Mai could quickly come up to the surface and Kimimaro could pop out of it and be back in the fight. It doesn't take all his chakra.
We're talkin about Kazekage Gaara, in and actual Dersert, Not a battle field turned into sand. When Gaara first fought Kimimaro he stayed on the ground the entire time up until the end. Kimimaro has no way of mounting an offense with title waves after him. He has no long range attacks outside of the bullet finger tips.
Think of it this way. Switch Deidara and with Kimimaro in Gaaras last fight. Can you honestly see Kimimaro winning that.
Orga777
02-20-2007, 01:11 PM
Kakuzu. Lighting element is great against Gaara. Iron Skin will protect him from the sand. Kakuzu doesn't have to try too hard actually. Just some lightning and Iron Skin. Then he can rip out Gaara's heart.
Woozie
02-20-2007, 01:12 PM
Itachi wins with one finger.
TreeofSephri
02-20-2007, 03:32 PM
How bout that lightning gorilla lady from the second move with Temujin?
Sasori
02-20-2007, 07:30 PM
Gaara sends sand into Kimmimaro's lungs via his orrifices ie. mouth/nose/penis..
GG Kimmi.
Orochimaru wins horribly.
Edo Tensei 3 powerful souls, Manda, thousands of snake, quarter mile long kusanagi.
Plus up to 3 Rashomans to block just about any attack Gaara has to offer.
Game over.
Paper
02-20-2007, 08:43 PM
Kurenai's demon tree bind + genjutsu should make easy work of Gaara.
saintshinoda
02-21-2007, 03:56 AM
Kurenai's demon tree bind + genjutsu should make easy work of Gaara.
lol, gaara's sand would just knock kurenai off and kill her,..
well, as far as i'm concerned, gaara's a really strong shinobi but i think most people can beat him though.. for instance, itachi could use tsukiyomi no gaara and make him mentally unstable and amaterasu to burn him to cripts.
Hiruma
02-21-2007, 09:43 AM
There's the genjutsu factor. This is something I never understood. Gaara should likely have already encountered genjutsu if he's been the target of assasination attempts all the time. The shield of sand is actually Shukaku's will that protects Gaara, so if Shukaku knows about genjutsu, then he could possibly use sand to block Gaara's eyes, for example. And if Gaara is under a genjutsu, what happens to his mind? Unlike other jinchuuriki, the moment he falls asleep Shukaku starts taking over. Best case scenario is the genjutsu works with no side effects, but the thing is, both ways can be argued.
I'd also like to ask just how effective something like vision genjutsu can be if Gaara's flying very high up.
MasamuneX7
02-22-2007, 11:58 AM
Itachi, Deidara, Sasori, Kakuzu, Orochimaru, and if we're to count boss summons, Jiraiya, all have a method of breaking through Gaara's defense, countering his tides of sand, or defending from it. All of them are more intelligent and tactical fighters than Gaara as well.
It is however, a difficult win for any of them. Itachi for example, would need to kill him before the battle becomes long-range.
KyoriTheWriter
02-22-2007, 09:26 PM
How idiotic....Gaara is pretty detirmined and i have utmost faith in him and he rocks *take it to a fanclub! Me: cant find one. so shut up.* but him vs. naruto even as the kazekage, i think he'd lose.
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thegoodjae
02-22-2007, 09:57 PM
oro. manda and edo tensei were shown and yeah..
TreeofSephri
02-22-2007, 10:40 PM
Kimimaro is actually the best to fight Gaara in these conditions. He won't be able to crush him due to his bone armor. He won't be able to bury him due to his ability to travel through his bones in Sawarabi no Mai.
MasamuneX7
02-23-2007, 12:25 AM
I don't think Kimimaro from back then can beat the Gaara right now. There's too much of a difference between Pre and Post TS Gaara.
Mangekyo Bankai
02-23-2007, 12:36 AM
Healthy Kimimaro, Itachi (provided he gets Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu off from the git-go), Kisame (Water fills the desert, it makes the and heavy and hard to control) Gai (opens the gates , morning peacock, etc) Sasori, Deidara
TreeofSephri
02-23-2007, 01:31 AM
I don't think Kimimaro from back then can beat the Gaara right now. There's too much of a difference between Pre and Post TS Gaara.
Gaara may have changed but his methods of attacks have not. Gaara will either crush, bury or possibly impale you with is sand. Kimimaro has demonstrated his resistance to his attack. This is essentially a waiting game for Kimimaro. Just survive until Gaara is out of chakra then attack the end.
Aizen
02-24-2007, 10:16 AM
sasori with his iron sand > gaara
deidara with fill supply of clay > gaara
(he didnt have full supply last time they fought.)
i could say more but...
Whisperkill
02-24-2007, 11:17 AM
AL and Yondaime
dangerousity
02-24-2007, 03:30 PM
Jiraiya and gamabunta's oild. Even if Gaara shields with sand, it'll fry him inside.
Hiruma
02-25-2007, 12:35 AM
Kimimaro won't win. Gaara will just bury him under sand again and again until he suffocates. And any attack like Jiraiya's fire attack won't work, to be honest. It didn't even fry the people on Manda. Other attacks need to have their range considered too. Gaara can simply fly and those attacks won't reach him(Iron Sand World Order for example, and Morning Peacock definitely doesn't have the correct height). And Deidara probably couldn't have escaped Gaara's sand anyway, the only reason Gaara didn't dump it on Deidara was because he would end up burying Suna. Which isn't in this equation.
EverEndingStory
12-25-2007, 05:34 PM
I would say Gaara could win this. The only people that would pose any kind of real problem would be:
Sasuke (because he just has that kind of skill),
Deidara (because he already beat him once and is very strategic),
Naruto (Cause he barely won once and some think it means he always wins),
Itachi (because he is just that skilled),
And finally and most importantly:
Kimimaro (because he is the single worst enemy for Gaara).
The main reason Deidara won that match was because Gaara had to protect Sunagakure. He doesn't have to do that anymore. Now, his main goal in the match would be getting rid of a pest, and Gaara can do that.
With all of the other people. Gaara can just bury them under an ocean of sand and destroy them with the pressure.
Naruto, Sasuke, nor Itachi could survive that, and Gaara wouldn't even have to bury them that deep under the ground for it to work. Maybe 5-15 feet will work.
Naruto especially is screwed because he has no way to get off of the ground. Take Naruto (and just about any ninja really) and put them in place of Deidara or Kimimaro in their respective battles.
If you think most ninja could survive that then you are...
I don't want to say what I'm thinking as it is Christmas and it would be wrong to insult someone on this day.
Anyway...
Itachi and Sasuke could put up a good fight, and in any other situation they would win, but in a desert, they are fodder.
Kimimaro would probably be the biggest, and only real, challenge. As I said before. He is the single worst opponent for Gaara, as he can survive against extreme pressure, and Gaara's entire arsenal is built around using his sand to cause crushing pressure. Against Kimimaro that doesn't really do anything, and thus makes all of his attacks useless.
That being said, if this is Kazekage Gaara, I think he can win.
Gaara would have improved since his battle with Kimi, and so he will have stronger attacks and more chakra.
Plus, he is in a desert.
He doesn't have to waste any chakra to make sand out of the dirt. It is already there.
Kimi isn't indestructible, Gaara's absolute defense broke Kimi's strongest bone, so his body does have a breaking point.
If Gaara can pull him down far enough, there will eventually be a point where Kimi's body will falter under the pressure, his bones will be broken, and his body will implode.
Gaara will have enough chakra to do this, as he will have more simply from getting older, and he won't have to waste any from building a desert, it will already be there, and there will be more sand than Gaara can ever hope to create.
You gave Gaara too many advantages. Well, actually it was only two (in the desert and no Suna) but they were bigger advantages then you can probably give any other character.
I'm not saying Gaara is the strongest character.
In any other case, Kimimaro, Deidara, Sasori, and Itachi could beat him.
Orochimaru, Jiraiya, Pain, Kakuza, and Sasuke will probably be able to beat him too, though I am not sure about those five.
And it is possible, though not entirely probable, that Naruto, Gai, and Kakashi could beat him.
But in this case, no, Gaara will win against every known character in the manga.
Oh, and a merry Christmas to you all.
Psycho Master
12-25-2007, 08:22 PM
Naruto is useless against Gaara because he has no ranged attacks.
Deidara's bombs would get countered by the Shield of Sand, what really mattered was Suna below which stopped Gaara from raining tons of sand above Deidara.
4-tailed Naruto anyone? He can do Deidara sized explosions, has a very strong chakra shield, is very strong, is very fast, and can manipulate its chakra shround. This form of Naruto is easilly comparable to Gaara. 3-Tailed Naruto after FRS training also would give Gaara a run for his money or beat him.
Deidara can beat him without going full strength as we've seen.
Hermit Mode Jiraiya could beat him.
Orochimaru can beat him, especially with Edo Tensai.
Pein can beat him with what he's shown.
Kakuzu could beat him with what he's shown.
Ugh, I would say Itachi too, as we don't know how good Gaara is at anti-genjutsu.
I'm just answering this as to who can beat Gaara from exactly what we've seen.
Kieuseru
12-25-2007, 09:03 PM
A given would be Itachi and Deidara.
Itachi would pull MS from the start of the battle
We have already seen Deidara beat Gaara.
Kakuzu should be able to fight evenly with Gaara. With lightning element attacks and Iron skin he would be a bad opponent for Gaara.
Sasori should be able to win. Once he pulls out the third Kazekage Gaara would lose.
Yellow
12-26-2007, 07:07 PM
well he'd kill Hinata instantly.:(
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