Sasori vs Kakuzu

[Sphyer]

An interesting match up I thought of. Well who would win in thsi bout eh. Sasori can control the 3rd kazekage along with his jutsu. He can also use 100's of other puppets which can do alot of damage along with himself being a pupet.Kakuzu has 5 hearts in which you have to kill each one of them. Kakuzu can also use 4 ghost thingies which can use each element along with him which makes 5 elemmts to the best S rank levels and he can combine each element like fuuton and katon which makes a super katon. Oh ya and he can detach his body parts and can use tenticles lol. Personally I think Kakuzu can beat Sasori but it wouldent be easy lol. He has strong long range attack which can destroy all of Sasori's puppets and such plus he canuse his detached body to use sneak attacks. So yea what do you guys think?

[TreeofSephri]

I have to go with Kakuzu on this battle. He releases his S rank Jutsu ghost and uses them to destroy Hiruke and Sandaime. He can take Satetsu due to his Doton Hardening Skin technique. Most of this battle will have depend on the ghost though due to Sasori poison. That or Kakuzu will have to plan his attacks wisely.

[Kyon]

I personally think Kakuzu would win. His arsenal consists almost entirely of mid range wide area attacks, something Sasori is going to have trouble with. The only thing Kakuzu would have trouble with is Sandaime Kazekage and maybe breaking Hiruko. He'd have to use his tentacles and iron skin to defend himself while he rushes in and breaks it.

[Misery D Spare]

Some if not all Sassori's puppets should have elemental affinities and among these there must be some possessing or capable of possessing S-rank elemental jutsu. As a result Sassori can replicate Kakuzu's fighting style with the use of his puppets and pull out the right counter element for each attack.

[Ponko]

Personally I think Sasori might be able to win if he is able to trick Kakuzu into thinking he is already defeated. If Kakuzu does not know that Sasori can switch bodies, then after all the trouble of getting Sasori out of Hiroku, destroying Sasori's puppets and facing Sasori himself without getting scratched, he may think he has already destroyed Sasori only to have some random puppet on the ground leap up and get him with poison gas like Sasori used against Sakura.

I also wonder if Sasori would be able to use his puppet strings to pin some of Kakuzu's tenticles down, like Chiyo did with Hiroku's tail and when Kankurou tripped Naruto. It might make it easier for his puppets to get a more accurate hit in.

But if Sasori can't find some way to poison Kakazu, or a way to shove iron sand inside his mouth, ears, eyes or someplace that is not protected by the iron skin, then I think he is doomed. I think the battle would really come down to how tricky the two are.

[Orga777]

Going with Kakuzu on this one. His Iron Skin will protect him from any pointy objects that Sasori has, which will also protect him from the poison. He then releases his S-Ranked elements and blows Hiroku to pieces. Sasori comes out and uses his Kazekage puppet, but with everything Kakuzu has, it probably won't take too much to bring it down. Hell, Sasori, if it by the lightning element while in Hiroku it could very well destroy him right there. He has no way to stop it while in his Hiroku puppet, and it will definitely plow through the armor with ease straight into Sasori's real body, which could be bad for the puppet master.

[Grrblt]

... Iwagakure? Deidara is from Iwagakure.

[Saosin]

Sasori. /fanboyism

[Sasori]

Kakuzu has the advantage over Sasori imo.

The only way I see Sasori beating Kakuzu is if he gets a scratch in before he performs his steel-skin jutsu.

However, I am quite sure that Satetsu Kaihou has the force behind it to penetrate the steel-skin.

[mootz]

kakuzu has the definte advantage here but i think there is a chance for sasori, all he has to do is scratch him to poison and kill him. imo five hearts cant save you from poison.

[nightmaremage99]

Sasori wins.

EDIT: Forgot to say why-

-Sasori is more invincible than Kazuzu(you need to destroy ALL of his puppets to actually kill him, which is pretty freaking hard.
-Sasori has the Sandaime Kazekage puppet, which alone should be able to challenge Kazuzu.
-Hiruko will be hard for Kazuzu to break down unless he uses some of his elemental ghosts.
-Sasori has ALOT of puppets, how do you know if he has something there that allows him to deal with Kazuzu or not? After all, Sasori says that he goes for "quality, not quantity."

[TreeofSephri]

Some if not all Sassori's puppets should have elemental affinities and among these there must be some possessing or capable of possessing S-rank elemental jutsu. As a result Sassori can replicate Kakuzu's fighting style with the use of his puppets and pull out the right counter element for each attack.

Sasori puppets probably did have elemental affinities but they do not have their organs anymore meaning they don't have chakra. Sasori said that he removes the internal organs when he makes a human into a puppet.

[durtycheese]

i think sasori would win, he has alot more attacks in his arsenal.

[Esponer]

Sasori puppets probably did have elemental affinities but they do not have their organs anymore meaning they don't have chakra. Sasori said that he removes the internal organs when he makes a human into a puppet.
On the contrary, it's the other way around. Sasori's Hitokugutsu retain their original chakra and use techniques as normal: they have all the same jutsu, bloodline limits and affinities. Kakuzu's hearts do not have their own chakra supplies, but he can feed his own chakra through them to make use of their elemental affinities.

Err, it goes without saying this is all my interpretation, right? I don't even remember which chapter introduces Hitokugutsu… : )

[Orga777]

Sasori wins.

EDIT: Forgot to say why-

-Sasori is more invincible than Kazuzu(you need to destroy ALL of his puppets to actually kill him, which is pretty freaking hard.

Or, you know, stabbing his weak point... Which ever. And he wouldn't NEED to destroy all Sasori's puppets if the Lightning element plows through Hiroku and totally obliterates Sasori's real body.

-Sasori has the Sandaime Kazekage puppet, which alone should be able to challenge Kazuzu.

Maybe, but Kakuzu has so many elements flying everywhere that it might not matter for long. Sakura after all was able to trick Sasori, so Kakuzu should be able to as well.

-Hiruko will be hard for Kazuzu to break down unless he uses some of his elemental ghosts.

Or, you know, his immense strength... Which ever...

All the cards seem to fall to Kakuzu's favor. Sasori has a SHOT, but once that skin comes up on Kakuzu, Sasori has got nothing.

As for elements to use against Kakuzu... Then he should have used them against Chiyo and Sakura. His 100 puppet army does not appear to have elemntal attacks. He did after all say that after destroying the Sandaime Puppet, that it would be useless to send another like it out since that was his best puppet. He went for quantity over quality after that which will be bad since with the power the Jutsu Kakuzu possesses will literally plow through the puppet army easily. Iron Skin will then just protect him from any pointy object Sasori has.

[Panic Attack]

Kakuzu wins here. Too many advantages over Sasori's puppets.

By the way, has anyone noticed that Kakuzu isn't from Iwagakure? Or am i alone in my realization of a major error in the title?

[Sasori]

^ No you are correct.

Kakuzu is from the hidden waterfall.

[Misery D Spare]

Sassori could have done lots of things in that fight which he didn't do. For one he could simply have used more puppets he had a great deal more which he didn't use if his statement about their number is true. He could also have used more of their jutsu instead of just throwing them at their opponent or using melee attacks.

The fact is Sassori either didn't take the fight seriousley or just gave up towards the end aka PNJ.

[Sphyer]

Whoops I wrote hiddin stone instead of waterfall XD

[HisshouBuraiKen]

He's from Takigakure, not Iwagakure.

This is why I actually translate the village names -.-

[sel]

hte only person who could possibly beat Sasori in a 1on1 [apart from hidan who cant die] is and was chiyo since she trained him, in a similiar manner that sasori managed to defeat Kankuro because he made the puppets

[-Deidara-]

hmm well this is a confusing battle. id go with kakuzu though.

[Mibu Clan]

ImO Kakuzu and Sasori are in the same tier of power, but Kakuzu has the advantage because of his fighting style.

Kakuzu is really Sasori's most undesired opponent. The iron skin is prefect deffence against Sasori's ultimate technique as well as any of the traps because he is invulnerable to them...
Also the fact that Kakuzu has the seal speed that only Kakashi's sharingan could see, speed faster than Raikiri Kakashi and physical strength to easily break Hiruko. Hiruko's attacks are useless against him.

But its also true that Kakuzu may not be able to detach himself or the ghosts while in the Iron Skin... Fact of the matter is that if the tentacles or ghosts are poisoned its the end of that Ghost or Kakuzu... This battle heavily depends on HOW the Iron Skin works...

And the only puppet Sasori has which could work would be Sandaime... And even then Kakuzu posseses 4 Elemental attacks as well as Long Range attacking style...

ImO Kakuzu is the perfect opponent for Puppeters...

[hyuuga_neji14732]

Kakuzu would win no poison darts could peirce his iron skin and he could use his fire jutsu's to burn Sasori's puppets

[tab16]

Kakuzu wins. His S-class jutsu could defeat any puppet, and thanks to Ironskin 3rd Kazekage would be harmless. After the fight he would tentacle-rape Sasori.

[Deputy Myself]

Ironskin tilts this battle in Kakuzu's favour

but without it, they'd both have an equal winning chance

[Turrin]

Kazuku would win sasori's only hope would be the kazekage but kazuku could take it out with his 4 elemental ghos then the rest of the battle would be down hill for sasori...its more of a type disadvantage then anything tho

[durtycheese]

would be a great fight i would say sasori but i just randomly guessed both seem almost equal to me.

[Legendarywun]

This should be a good one :P .

[Shik@maru]

Sasori would win hands down

[Kyon]

Done before, Kakuzu wins IMO

[TreeofSephri]

Yea I got pwned in a thread like this.

[Legendarywun]

Done before, Kakuzu wins IMO

you sure? i used the sear..err yeah, i forgot about the remaking of House.

[Shik@maru]

i dont think that kakuzu would be able to beat sasori

[Shinji]

I say Kakuzu, i think it is too much for Sasori to take out all 5 hearts, i don't know if the poison would affect kakuzu at all or even to the point he has to change hearts.

[Legendarywun]

i dont think that kakuzu would be able to beat sasori

Why do you think that?

[Mangekyo Bankai]

Sasori would win, but he would lose at least half his puppets in the fray. Those 5 elemental things can use the strongest of their respective jutsus. That fire move would rip a huge gash in the puppet army alone. It would definately be a long battle... maybe Kakuzu could detach a hand and get it behind Sasori's real body and do something, but other than that I really don't see him winning.

[Shik@maru]

Why do you think that?

because he has The third kazekage puppet

[Legendarywun]

because he has The third kazekage puppet

Kakuzu has hearts from the top of the top jounins as far as i have heard.

[Shik@maru]

Kakuzu has hearts from the top of the top jounins as far as i have heard.

i guess well never know

[Xeno85]

Sasori hands down I'm sure Kakuzu would put up a hell of a fight but in the end he would be overwelmed in puppets that is if the poison doesnt stop him first. Think about it 5 hearts means the poisons spreads 5 times as fast lol :P

[Shinji]

Sasori hands down I'm sure Kakuzu would put up a hell of a fight but in the end he would be overwelmed in puppets that is if the poison doesnt stop him first. Think about it 5 hearts means the poisons spreads 5 times as fast lol :P

I don't think his hearts work simultaneouly together; I think Kakuzu has one main heart and he changes them when one is about to die; as noticed when Hidan killed one of his hearts

[Shik@maru]

but kakuzus body would still be poisoned

[TreeofSephri]

To be honest, I don't think Sasori poison would really work Kakuzu due to the fact that Kakuzu is 99% silly string.

[Kai]

Kakuzu is victorious. I think people are underestimating S rank elemental jutsus just a bit.

[kyubijim]

In this kind of situation, I really don't know. Sasori has his poison of course. 1 hit and Kakuzu should be down for the count, however, for the poison to circulate thru the body, one needs blood vessels. We know Kakuzu has blood and 5 hearts...but where does the blood go? I mean, he's the flying spaghetti monster for crying out loud. I swear, all the ninjas in Akatsuki seem to defy physics in one way or another and each one is more f*uked up than the last. I guess thats why I like them so much.

[Panic Attack]

Kakuzu's iron body is far too much for Sasori. Sasori's only chance is his poison but i don't see Kakuzu getting caught by that so easily.

[Orga777]

This is at least the third time this match has come up... And I am still going with Kakuzu due to all of his gimmicks and highpowered abilities.

[kidjutsu]

Though i think sasori is somwhere at the top of the akatsuki ladder i dont think he would win against kakazu.
He is y i think kakazu would beat sasori
1. he has the 5 hearts which allow him to use attacks of any element
2. Because of his Masks, Kakazu can make the fight vs sasori a long distance battle, pretty much taking the poisons out & sasori's element of surprise (the insane # of tactics he can use his puppets for : both to defend and attack) out of the picture

[sabaku_soso]

Oh yeah i completely forgot about the iron skin, with that and high powered elemental jutsus i think Kakuzu may just beat Sasori. It'd be an awsome fight though.

[Choakslame]

Good battle.. Both throw their "tentacles" around :)
I guess it is Kakuzu with his 5 elemental umm, masks? Plus he has five hearts.
Sasori has some good stuff too, like poison, the 3 kazekage puppet which got many "tentacles", plus the iron sand (!!!). Iron sand is the boom! But, still I think Kakuzu takes this one.

[Tsukiyomi]

With the iron skin jutsu its debatable wether or not Sasori would even be capale of scratching him to get his poison into Kakuzu's body.

Kakuzu's massive elemental attacks look like they were easily capable of taking out dozens (if not hundreds) of puppets in a single blow from a distance. How is Sasori going to move his puppets or needles forward through a massive wind-augmented fire attack.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Sasori wins, although it would be a good battle, and he would lose a lot of puppets.

But he's out of Kakuzu's league.

[Kuya]

Kakuzu is probably the worst match up for him (minus Oro (and i guess Chiyo/Sakura)) in the whole series.

The 5 masks and tentacles would destroy the puppets. I believe his character was designed to be better then Sasori. There's a lot of immortality portrayed in Naruto, and with Sasori, he could transfer from puppet to puppet, and he even turned himself to puppet. Oro takes over bodies. Kakuzu TAKES PEOPLES HEARTS, and to defeat him, you need to beat him 5 times over. Also, Sasori's poison isn't instant kill, and that's assuming the poison could even pierce Kakuzu.

Kakuzu no doubt in my mind wins.

[Sasori]

I agree that Kakuzu is a pretty bad matchup for Sasori.

I don't think he would win, but I made a convincing post on how he could win against Kakuzu.

Let me go search the archives for it...

edit:

I think this battle is in favor of Kakuzu, with emphasis on his steel skin jutsu.

Without being able to use his main offensive strategy of scratch-poison, Sasori will be in trouble.

The only way I could see Sasori winning this is if he spammed Satetsu at such a high speed and sharpness, that would have enough force to penetrate his skin.

Granted this may be difficult, but imo, should be possible.

The other way that could be possible is if Sasori could some how find a way of evading his attacks, until his chakra runs out and his steel skin jutsu stops.

This may be difficult, but again it should be possible, using a wall of satetsu to shield from Kakuzu's powerful elemental attacks.

What if Sasori somehow tricked Kakuzu into using a Raiton attack on the Satetsu, but somehow without Kakuzu noticing, was making contact with Kakuzu, so the electric conducts back to him instead?

[Terryc250]

iron sand ftw lol, and those army of puppets r pretty nasty too

[Seto Kaiba]

Kakuzu wins this, IMO.

[Legendarywun]

With the iron skin jutsu its debatable wether or not Sasori would even be capale of scratching him to get his poison into Kakuzu's body.

Kakuzu's massive elemental attacks look like they were easily capable of taking out dozens (if not hundreds) of puppets in a single blow from a distance. How is Sasori going to move his puppets or needles forward through a massive wind-augmented fire attack.

Kakuzu does have the fire power that is needed to put away with Sasori's puppets, but like someone posted above, Sasori can wait until Kakuzu's chakra has run out. Sasori has the numbers; he also has the Iron sand, which everyone seems to forget when it comes to Kakuzu's Iron Skin. Now I admit that Kakuzu's Iron Skin is a huge factor in this, but if Sasori is fast enough, he could use Iron Sand and disable Kakuzu along with his five hearts in a sec. Those tentacles don’t stand a chance at Iron Sand. Almost half of Kakuzu's body is tentacles.

I don’t know if this info is correct, but I’m thinking with Iron Skin Kakuzu can't perform his other elementals jutsu's like the fire blast. rendering him useless. As soon as he disables the Iron Skin, Sasori can have at him with his massive arsenals. Again I don’t know if Kakuzu can attack or not in that state, but if you think about it logically, the Iron Skin is only meant to be a defensive approach and may seem to take out a lot of chakra similar to Gaara’s sand armor.

[Honogram]

Sasori wins! why? with his army... he took down an entire country. I am not sure if Kakuzu can do that.

Sasori took down the strongest kazekage, the 3rd. And thinking about it... Kakuzu can take hearts away from people to use it as his own... but Sasori can turn anyone into a puppet while retaining the jutsus that "victim" uses.

[Zeche]

Well this topic was made before Kakuzu really showed that he could be defeated so I see nothing wrong with him remaking the topic. Anyways...

Sasori would win without a doubt.

I don't understand this "Sasori can't pierce through iron skin" arguement as Sasori iron sand is well... iron. If 2 substances made of the same matter clash then they should both be damaged. Not to mention Sasori can compress his iron sand. That with the poison should be enough should be enough to kill Kakuzu.

Sasori's puppets are far more useful than Kakuzu's hearts. All of the hundreds of puppets Sasori has are at least stronger than Karasu,Kuroari,Sanshouuo, and Sasori's parents (because Sasori viewed them as worthless enough to throw away). There is no doubt that all of those puppets are extremely powerful.

Also,Sasori defeated the strongest Kazekage.Kakuzu couldn't defeat one of the weakest Hokage's. Sasori possesses the body of the strongest Kazekage. So basically just imagine someone stronger than the strongest Kazekage plus the strongest Kazekage plus the puppets Sasori made after he fought the Third throughout all thos years plus the improvements Sasori added to his puppets after he fought the Third vs someone who tied with one of the weakest Hokages. Yeah...

About Kakuzu being Sasori's weakness I seriously can't figure out why people think that but the Third Kazekage was more of Sasori's weakness than anyone. His iron sand could clog up Sasori's puppets' joints. Sasori has shown that he can deal with his weaknesses by overcoming this.

[Mibu Clan]

People underestimate Puppets, they are NOT easily tossed aside as people seem to think...
Anyways ImO Sasori and Kakuzu are in the same power tier, but Kakuzu is a bad mathcup for Sasori because of his Iron Skin. In that sense, Chiyo's puppet's present more of a threat against Kakuzu than Sasori's do.

[Mibu Clan]

I don't understand this "Sasori can't pierce through iron skin" arguement as Sasori iron sand is well... iron. If 2 substances made of the same matter clash then they should both be damaged. Not to mention Sasori can compress his iron sand. That with the poison should be enough should be enough to kill Kakuzu.
The more I thought about it, the more I actually think that Kazekage can actually get past the Iron Skin... But not because of them both being "Iron". If you think about what was said from Kazekage, we can infer that his ability is a Kekke Genkai, and that it combines Sand and Electricity, thus he controls Raiton and Doton... while the Iron Skin is just a Doton Ninjutsu. And since Raiton attacks break throught that deffence, the Satetsu would break his Deffence no doubt.

Sasori's puppets are far more useful than Kakuzu's hearts. All of the hundreds of puppets Sasori has are at least stronger than Karasu,Kuroari,Sanshouuo, and Sasori's parents (because Sasori viewed them as worthless enough to throw away). There is no doubt that all of those puppets are extremely powerful.
Finally someone who doesnt underestimate that Jutsu, each Puppet is definetly strong... And they can be used for Attack/Deffence/Support or whatever you want.

Also,Sasori defeated the strongest Kazekage.Kakuzu couldn't defeat one of the weakest Hokage's. Sasori possesses the body of the strongest Kazekage. So basically just imagine someone stronger than the strongest Kazekage plus the strongest Kazekage plus the puppets Sasori made after he fought the Third throughout all thos years plus the improvements Sasori added to his puppets after he fought the Third vs someone who tied with one of the weakest Hokages. Yeah...
I completely disagree here... The Shodai Hokage was anything but weak, especially considering that he is a much more powerful form of Yamato...
His Mokouton Hijutsu: Jikai Koutan was by far one of the strongest and most versatile Ninjutsu to date... And a Kekke Genkai.

About Kakuzu being Sasori's weakness I seriously can't figure out why people think that but the Third Kazekage was more of Sasori's weakness than anyone. His iron sand could clog up Sasori's puppets' joints. Sasori has shown that he can deal with his weaknesses by overcoming this.

Yeah, Sasori managing to win against the Sandaime Kazekage is very impressive, especially considering that Puppets are weak against the Satetsu... And Sasori managed to beat Kazekage.

Although I should say I believe that Kakuzu wins either way. He has too many things going for him. Especially if the Satetsu cant pierce the Iron Skin.

[SleepingDisaster]

I can't decide

sasori rarely uses bombs and strike with poisoned blades form all direction with his puppets

and kakuzu uses high damage 5 element, that can wipe almost all sasori's 100 puppets play

if sasori could strike more than 5 times to kakuzu heart, maybe this need tricks, then he win

but if kakuzu destroy all the puppets, sasori doenst have any choice than using his own body to defeat kakuzu, and sasori most vital part is his mortal heart that kakuzu likes the most

[Star Juice]

Kakuzu's iron body is far too much for Sasori. Sasori's only chance is his poison but i don't see Kakuzu getting caught by that so easily.

But it's not an Iron Body, it's just Iron Skin. Iron Skin doesn't cancel out Iron Sand just because they're the same substance. Brick>thin layer of rock, tree>wooden plank. Sasori can shape his sand into gigantic blocks and harpoons of doom. The pressure at the tip of one of those Iron Sand cones must be absolutely incredible, what with all the mass and speed behind it when he uses it to attack. If Kakuzu gets hit, I'm thinking his skin gets pierced.

[Panic Attack]

^Just because it's called iron sand doesn't mean it's made of iron. The same is true for Kakuzu's iron skin. Why people insist on saying it's made of iron is beyond me.

Anyway...the sand wouldn't pierce Kakuzu because SK's sand has the same properties as Garra's, and Garra's sand is used to crush, not pierce, his opponents. And Kimimaru easily evaded being crushed, and as we all know Kakuzu's iron skin > Kimi's iron bones.

[Sasori]

No, Sandaime Kazekage's Satetsu is really...iron lol

It's stated that he uses his ability to convert his chakra into magnetism to manipulate metal.

The Iron sand you see him use is just really small iron filings that he manipulates in the same way as Gaara does.

[Anbu Squad 7 Leader]

Poison doesn't get through iron skin. Only Chakra can get through the iron skin. Thus Sasori loses his asset of poisonous attacks. With that in mind, Kakuzu has an unlimited amount of time to do so, especially since he has five lives. I think Kakuzu can win

[Anbu Squad 7 Leader]

Poison doesn't get through iron skin. Only Chakra can get through the iron skin. Thus Sasori loses his asset of poisonous attacks. With that in mind, Kakuzu has an unlimited amount of time to do so, especially since he has five lives. I think Kakuzu can win

[zackzeal]

kakuzu could just use all his hearts and do those insane elemental blasts and obliterate all of sasori's puppets in one go.... kakuzu>sasori :D

[PDQ]

With the iron skin jutsu its debatable wether or not Sasori would even be capale of scratching him to get his poison into Kakuzu's body.

Kakuzu's massive elemental attacks look like they were easily capable of taking out dozens (if not hundreds) of puppets in a single blow from a distance. How is Sasori going to move his puppets or needles forward through a massive wind-augmented fire attack.
The iron skin can likely be penetrated with sufficient force from the iron sand, from sheer weight alone(if you fired an iron cannon ball at a cm of steel plating, If I'm not mistaken, it'd go through)

From what we've seen, the masks don't seem capable of firing while inside his body, so even if his main body was safe, his other hearts would be vulnerable.

In the end, Sasori is like Kakuzu x 60. For every heart containing someone's chakra he has, Sasori has 60 puppets containing the chakra from the person. And on top of that he has an ability far more unique and feared than any one of the 5 Kakuzu has, the iron sand.

[Sasori]

Poison doesn't get through iron skin. Only Chakra can get through the iron skin.No where is this stated.

[Sieg]

^People tend to forget that Sasori also had poison gas, not just poisoned blades...

[vagnard]

Kakuzu wins this. He is the worst match up possible for Sasori. A scratch couldn't pierce his skin...so poison is useless. Kakuzu can take dozens of puppets at the same time with his elemental jutsu. If he shoots directly at Sasori its possible he destroy his puppet body along his heart before he could even change.

[Toad Hermit]

I like both of them but Kakuzu FTW Hands down

[Sasori]

^People tend to forget that Sasori also had poison gas, not just poisoned blades...lol exactly.

And sup Sieg :amuse

[ZE]

People forget the iron protection of kakuzu covers his nostrils. So he isn’t affected by poison gas.

[Sasori]

^ lol xDDDD

How about if he shoves the metal up his ass :nuts?

[Legendarywun]

^ lol xDDDD

How about if he shoves the metal up his ass :nuts?

:loool hahahha. :rotfl

[kojak488]

Bringing back an older topic instead of creating a new one. We recently did another post about Deidara versus Kakuzu. How about Deidara's partner, Sasori, versus Kakuzu?

I'd say Kakuzu takes it. His doton skin won't allow Sasori's blades to poison him. That was a big aspect to Sasori's strategy.. or at least it made him harder to fight for Sakura and Chiyo because the danger that the poison presented. Personally, I don't remember Sasori using a poison gas, but even if he does it is a gas that can obviously be blown away by Kakuzu's fuuton jutsu.

Sasori's Kazekage puppet and its Iron Sand is quite strong. Unfortunately, it isn't a raiton techinque and that has been the only thing thus far to pierce Kakuzu's armor.

Kakuzu's elemental jutsus, super strength, multiple hearts, and doton skin give him the victory here. It'd be one hell of a fight though!

[niyesuH]

well it depends if Sasoris poisons can penetrate his iron body

[Vance]

Kakuzu FTW :yell

[Id]

Sasori Iron Sand should pierce Kazukus Donton Armor.

And as long as, Kazuku needs a heart to pump its blood. Poison will effect him.


Add on the fact that, all of Sasori’s weapons are bathed in poison.
And Sasori is just as hard to kill (if not more).

I give the match to Sasori. Official Kage killer.

[Kokain]

The iron skin can likely be penetrated with sufficient force from the iron sand, from sheer weight alone(if you fired an iron cannon ball at a cm of steel plating, If I'm not mistaken, it'd go through).

Truth. Sasori adds the greedy, materialistic philistine to his collection.

I'm not sure if Iron Sand would be classified as a physical attack. Besides the fact that Kakuzu's Iron Skin is a doton jutsu, Iron Sand is only possible through the Sandaime Kazekage's "magnetic chakra," and since magnetism isn't one of the 5 standard chakra types, it makes sense for it to be an elemental recombination or whatever it's called. Thus Iron Sand could negate Kakuzu's self-described physical invulnerability simply because it's not a purely physical attack.

[Vance]

Kakuzu has more experiance, and I am sure he will stand backwards, firing away Jutsus from a distance...

[赤イヌ大将]

i also see his tentacles rippping apart tens of puppets and using his masks to clear the rest, tehn he uses the masks xto kill the puppet bdoy of sasori and back him into a corner or at least close enoguh for kakauzu to rip him apart with his tentacles.

[Id]

Both are mid range fighters.
Both have equal footing...no with Sand kage being controlled.

The iron sand has shown massive AoE.

I see more chances of Sasori landing a hit then Kazuku.

lets not forget, that his heart has to be pierced only once. After that, he becomes susceptible to many of Sasoris simpler attacks.

[Vance]

Kakuzu can use long range Jutsu as well.

[Id]

Was this confirmed in the Data book?

[Grrblt]

Kakuzu hasn't been in any databook. But he used a long range mode against Naruto.

Anyway, I think Kakuzu wins for a couple of reasons:
1: Iron skin should protect against Iron sand. I mean come on, it blocked a bijuu attack without trouble.
2: Even if Sasori manages to get poison inside Kakuzu's system, I'm not sure how much it would affect him. Sure he has blood (Hidan proved that) but he's a tentacle man. His 4 ghost things are made up of only a heart and tentacles and apparently have sentience (as they are able to continue even after Kakuzu died from Hidan's attack), so it isn't out of the question that Kakuzu's heart doesn't really do anything except be his life counter.
3: Kakuzu is better suited to fight multiple opponents. Sasori can zerg with his large number of weapons, but he struggled heavily against Chiyo's far inferior numbers. Given that Kakuzu's ghosts can operate independently, probably can't be affected by poison and are only good for shooting powerful AoE attacks, they should be able to hold off Sasori's puppets quite easily.

[Law]

Anyway, I think Kakuzu wins for a couple of reasons:
1: Iron skin should protect against Iron sand. I mean come on, it blocked a bijuu attack without trouble.


How does that even make sense? Using a bijuu attack to back-up his skin's resiliency towards Iron sand?

I mean come on

Oh, nevermind...you convinced me.

[Niko Bellic]

How could Sasori even match Kakuzu.

Heres the reasons:

1)Kakuzu has iron skin.Sasori wouldn't be able to pierce him.
2)Kakuzu has a sealed mouth and a cover nose.Sasori's poison wouldn't couldn't get him poisoned.
3)5 Hearts lol

Do i need to say more?

[Law]

How could Sasori even match Kakuzu.

Heres the reasons:

1)Kakuzu has iron skin.Sasori wouldn't be able to pierce him.
2)Kakuzu has a sealed mouth and a cover nose.Sasori's poison wouldn't couldn't get him poisoned.
3)5 Hearts lol

Do i need to say more?

Sasori's Iron Sand Kazekage should be able to pierce Iron skin. Remember: Iron SKIN, not Iron BODY.
And also try and remember Sasori's match...what could he do with the iron sand? The force behind that would be enough to pierce iron skin.

I'd like to see them both die, but this match ahs degraded into whose fanboys can argue loudest.

There is no reason why iron skin would stop iron sand. If they're both iron, than the force behind the attack of the iron skin would destroy the iron skin. Believing anything else is pretty silly.

What should be argued instead is whether Kakuzu could kill Sasori before he ever had a chance to destroy him with Iron sand.

[Niko Bellic]

@ Eddy Sensei

Even if Iron sand pierced him and poisoned him.How would it effect him?Kakuzu's doesn't have a blood stream.

[Vance]

He has a small amount of blood, but not a major bloodstream.

[.Kakuzu.]

1000Th time lets get something straight here Kakuzu is better than the following
Kisame , Hidan , Deidara , Sasori , Orochimaru. The only person in akatsuki i think can kill kakuzu is itachi or the leader. BH or Tobi Not to sure.

[Grrblt]

How does that even make sense? Using a bijuu attack to back-up his skin's resiliency towards Iron sand?
... :S

If you know something crucial about the inherent differences between a bijuu attack and a lump of metal and why the lump of metal is fundamentally better than a bijuu attack at breaking another lump of metal, then by all means, speak up.

[赤イヌ大将]

possibly the fact that its not liek Gaara and if teh magnetism of Kakuzu's iron skin was opposite of teh magnetism used on iron sand the force would knock kakuzu possibly miles away, deactivate the skin, and teh force of falling from like a mile in the sky would probably be overkill. I still think Kakuzu might win. I only gave a hypothetical answer to your question

[MasamuneX7]

For the last time, Kakuzu's "iron skin" is not made of iron, so as Grrblt said, it wouldn't matter anyways. It is a metaphor to how hard his skin is. If everything "iron-" was really made of iron, then by taking Iron Fist, Iron Belly, and Iron Head Kung Fu, you'd literally be unbreakable. Why take any other martial art then? Saying something is "iron-" in martial arts terms is basically saying something is very hard or durable.

[bacon753951]

oops sorry for duplicating the post

[Esponer]

Sasori's Iron Sand Kazekage should be able to pierce Iron skin. Remember: Iron SKIN, not Iron BODY.
Kurogane karada. Karada is body. Iron Body.

[Sky is Over]

IMO, I think Sasori would win this fight.

[Niko Bellic]

Who would win?

I think Kakuzu would but I wanna hear your opinion too.

[masamune1]

Been done so many times...

Probably Kakuzu, since he has more raw power.

[Final Jutsu]

kakuzu, he'd destroy so many of the 100 puppets with each elemental attack

[Niko Bellic]

Been done so many times...

Probably Kakuzu, since he has more raw power.

I know it has but only once.I could find the orignally thread so I decided to make another.

kakuzu, he'd destroy so many of the 100 puppets with each elemental attack
what about Kazekages iron sand?

[Sasuke']

Kakazu got pawned by Shikamaru right? Sakura pawned Sasori and shes stronger than Shikamaru right? Sasori wins.

[masamune1]

Kakazu got pawned by Shikamaru right? Sakura pawned Sasori and shes stronger than Shikamaru right? Sasori wins.

Shikamaru tricked Hidan into killing one of Kakuzu's hearts. Kakuzu fought on.

Sakura fought off 100 puppets by herself, but most of that fight she had help from Chiyo.

Sakura is stronger, but Shikamaru is smarter.

Sasori is a freakish perfectionist and control-freak, while Kakuzu has anger-problems of his own and makes the odd foolish mistake. Kakuzu is more adaptable, while Sasori has more to bring to the table.

[theodrin]

Sasori will outlast kakuzu by playing cat and mouse with him and he has plenty of puppets to do this.

[Mike Hunt]

Kakuzu. All Sasori is able to do is make a few poison and fodder blades and swords on fodder puppets.

[hyuuga_neji14732]

Kakuzu is the winner by raw power elemental jutsu extensive stamina becuz of his many hearts and the poison weapons would not pierce his doton armor

[Rubicon007]

I can't decide. 50/50 imo.

[Neji48972]

Sasori is more powerful.

[Metric]

Kakuzu because he is a bad matchup.

His Doton armour effectively protects him from most if not all poison scratches, and his big elemental attcks can destroy puppets easily.

[Zeruel]

It would certainly be hard for him but Kakuzu win due to his many hearts,maybe he could loose two or tree hearts fighting Sasori but he would definitely win using some insane Katon/Fuuton/Suiton attack that can blast the whole battlefield.

[Watchman]

I'd agree with Kakuzu's Iron Skin nullifying Sasori's poison attacks, with the possible exception of the Iron Sand, but the poison doesn't just kill you, it paralyses you as well.

If Iron Sand could bypass Iron Skin, would that be enough to render Kakuzu immobile, and let Sasori needle him to death to finish off his other hearts?

Then again... Kakuzu's elemental Jutus aren't to be trifled with - he could potentially destroy Sasori, Heart and all, in a single blast...

Vote... pending.

[Oldy]

Sasori wins if the iron sand can destroy iron skin or if the Kazekage magnetism can control the 'iron' skin.
Kakuzu wins if his tentacles or elemental jutsu can destroy layers of iron sand used as protection.

If they can't it's a draw, they can't hurt each other :amuse

[little nin]

kakuzu would destroy sasori lol

[Han Solo]

Kakuzu takes this, as it's a bad match-up for Sasori. Still imo Sasori is the stronger of the two, if only be a very small amount.

[Spanish Hoffkage]

thats a godly match

Sasori is stronger, IMO, but Kakuzu has the iron skin which is a bad match up against him. Kazekage puppet is the key here.

50/50 match

[Metric]

I'm guessing that the Iron Sand will break Kakuzu's Doton armour, but only if it is wielded in those huge blocks. Given Kakuzu's great speed, i'd expect him to be able to dodge those blocks, and take the Kazekage puppet with an elemental attack.

Apart from the Kaekage puppet, i can't see any of Sasori's poison attacks getting past the Doton armour.

[Jay Blaze]

does sasori use puppets with chakra weapons?

And here is one of the earlier matches.

http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=188674

[Empirejoao]

Clash of the Mid-Level Akatsuki



I've always been curious to see the winner of this fight, as imo even though Sasori can beat more ppl than Kakuzu can, I can't see how he will beat Kakuzu's iron skin and scratch him.




Both bloodlusted, 200 meters apart in Sannin battlefield.

[eHav]

kakuzu would blow sasori's puppets to hell, same with the puppet he was inside at the start. iron sand is the only real problem here, it all comes down to if its strong enough to scratch kazuku's skin

[Juggalo]

Kakuzu rapestomps as Sasori has little elemental attacks. If Sakura's punches can knock iron sand flying, then Kakuzu's attacks will send it out the stratosphere. No contest, imo.

[Dimnarion]

Sasori has little elemental attacks.
Umm, not even counting his elemental scrolls, Sasori has hundreds of human puppets. There is no doubt his puppets can perform every elemental jutsu just like Kakuzu.


While overall Sasori is the more formidable shinobi, Kakuzu is a bad-matchup for him.

Sasori's main threat is poison, which Iron Skin gives protection against. Kakuzu's large AoE attacks are a great defense against puppets.

Just having these advantages hardly makes things easy for Kakuzu, but these natural advantages gives him enough to edge out the win against Sasori.

[Grimmjowsensei]

Kakuzu stomps. Sasori wouldn't even have a chance to summon 3rd kazekage puppet. EVen if he did, still kakuzu would stomp em both. HE is too overpowered for sasori.

[mootz]

fire wind combo burns straight through that shell and destroys sasori at the same time

no kazekage
no 100 puppets

[Lord Genome]

Iron Skin>Needles

Elemental bazooka cannons>Sasori

[赤イヌ大将]

Clash of the Mid-Level Akatsuki



I've always been curious to see the winner of this fight, as imo even though Sasori can beat more ppl than Kakuzu can, I can't see how he will beat Kakuzu's iron skin and scratch him.




Both bloodlusted, 200 meters apart in Sannin battlefield.

meh, I saw them as the top level. Kakuzu was near immortal and and sasori took down an entire country with his puppets. his poison is damm strong. as for magnetism, could the kazekage puppet not potentially attract Kakuzu and rip his doton skin off via magnetism? just wondering. anyway based on knowns kakuzu can just blow sasori up.

[Distracted]

Just because the skin is called the iron skin does not mean it is magnetically charged...

[赤イヌ大将]

Just because the skin is called the iron skin does not mean it is magnetically charged...

I am learning chemistry, YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

My teacher says the electronic configuration of iron and aluminum ( not bonded to anything, just the element itself) have the electrons moving freely enough for it to conduct electricity. so if its Fe(II or III) most of the time it should conduct electricity. the combination of the kazekage's magnetism to compress particles of iron sand into giant blocks and such and then control the actual blocks takes lots of magnetic force, more than enough to lift kakuzu thru the air and possibly rip it off him as well. seeing as he is NOT Mr.2 from One Piece, it should be ripped off from him.

[Nae'blis]

Wow, I really love Akasuna no Sasori, but I always see him getting blitzed in his BD matchups. Maybe that Sakura fight really did leave a bad taste in my mouth, so I'm saying Kakuzu annihilates Sasori and takes his heart.

[_Chiyo_]

...Sasori still wins.

Iron sand can pierce Kakuzu....

[zabuza666]

I pretty much always root for Sasori, but even so Kakuzu wins.

He is just a perfect counter for Sasori.

[Balalaika]

Sasori gets my vote.

[Cynic]

Kakuzu has a huge advantage. He would be unaffected by the poison as Sasori would have problems penetrating his body hardening doton jutsu. While Sasori has the numbers advantage, Kakuzu's area attacks can take down multiple puppets at once. This is just a bad match-up for Sasori (sadly as he's one of my favorites). Kakuzu wins.

[Watchman]

I'm pretty sure this match-up has been done multiple times before...

The common consensus is that Kakuzu is a really bad match-up for Sasori, as his main methods of attack cannot pierce Iron Skin. There could also be a good case made for his large AoE attacks disrupting or simply breaking through any attack made by Sasori.

Whilst I feel that Sasori is overall stronger than Kakuzu, here he has a bad match-up. Kakuzu wins.

[The_Dei_un]

Though I do have a love and admiration For Sasori I must say I'd give the battle to Kakuzu.While Sasori does have several puppets it would be nothing to Kakuzu's skin nonetheless Kakuzu has some pretty bad ass moves.Sasori's poison would only leave him open form an attack to Kakuzu.

[Cochise]

Did you say mid level? Sasori and Kakuzu are the two strongest Akatsuki members we've seen aside from Pein and Sasori is Pein's worst nightmare from what we've seen. My god that's ignorant.

Kakuzu would eat Sasori alive. All of his attacks cover a huge area and all of his attacks are devestating to things like puppets. Iron Sand is powerful and fast but Kakuzu has shown insane speed and so its no stretch to say he has great evasion skills. Fuuton + Katon would destroy countless puppets and there's no reason to believe that the Kazekage puppet would last long in the volley's. Kakuza pwns

[Chaos Hokage]

Kakuzu would win, of course. He could easily Sasori & his puppet w/ his fire & wind combo attack.

[Tachikoma_Pilot]

Sasori would be my choice here.

Question, If Sasori pierces Kakuzu's skin and poison's him, does that count as the death of one heart or all?
Personally I say all, because poison works on he entire body.

What say you?

[Empirejoao]

[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]Did you say mid level? Sasori and Kakuzu are the two strongest Akatsuki members we've seen aside from Pein and Sasori is Pein's worst nightmare from what we've seen. My god that's ignorant.




Dude, Sasori and Kakuzu are weaker than Pein, Itachi, and Madara.



They are a bit above Deidera, and well above Hidan. Most likely on par with Kisame (when he goes all out)


Konan is pretty much unknown, as is Zetsu. I feel Zetsu will probably be stronger than either Sasori or Kakuzu.



So yea..I say they are mid level.

[MasamuneX7]

Dude, Sasori and Kakuzu are weaker than Pein, Itachi, and Madara.



They are a bit above Deidera, and well above Hidan. Most likely on par with Kisame (when he goes all out)


Konan is pretty much unknown, as is Zetsu. I feel Zetsu will probably be stronger than either Sasori or Kakuzu.



So yea..I say they are mid level.

You share the exact same ranking system as I do. I feel that Sasori, Kakuzu, and full power Kisame are defined as the "Orochimaru" level Akatsuki.

I too also believe that Zetsu will be greater than this level. I'd actually put Konan at Deidara's level for now.

[Sōsuke Aizen]

kakuku takes this. he seems stronger and his attacks cover a wider range.

[Mibu Clan]

ImO Zetzu has an Ultimate Deffense and special eye, and will be amongst Madara, Pein and Itachi just because I get the feeling Kishi loves this guy, and his design/personality/eats people kicks ass...

Anyways, I'd like to point out that Kakuzu has never once attacked with the Iron Skin throughout his whole body, and ImO he can't... It's a purely deffensive Jutsu.

Though I do believe that the only attacks that could pierce it are Satetsu Kaihou and the huge block and Triangle which I would change for 5 huge needles...

Anyways, Sasori puppet can take a punch from Sakura, so he can take a punch from Kakuzu.

While I believe in this case Kakuzu would barely win over Sasori Hitokugutsu, he would lose to Sandaime Kazekage. The fact that Sasori attacks with both should he defeat one gives this to Sasori ImO.

[bug_ninja]

Sasori wins,I don't think that Kakuzu can beat Sasori's 100 puppet jutsu.

[Empirejoao]

You share the exact same ranking system as I do. I feel that Sasori, Kakuzu, and full power Kisame are defined as the "Orochimaru" level Akatsuki.

I too also believe that Zetsu will be greater than this level. I'd actually put Konan at Deidara's level for now.

I actually consider Orochimaru to be above (not by too much) this tier. Same with Jiraiya; the Sannin seem much more...recourceful than these guys.


And Kisame also admitted inferiority to Jiraiya...



Anyway, I guess the consensus is that although Sasori may be overall a better ninja, he is a bad matchup vs Kakuzu and will lose.

[Hollie]

Tough one, but I think Sasori wins.

[Yellow]

Sasori lands one hit. Kakuzu is poisoned. Game over, Sasori wins.

[souljah88]

sasori hasnt got a chance against kakushu. he's too strong for him.

[Watchman]

kakuku takes this. he seems stronger and his attacks cover a wider range.

sasori hasnt got a chance against kakushu. he's too strong for him.

Kakuku? Kakushu? It's Kakuzu!

Anyway, Akatsuki rankings are a difficult thing - even though I believe Kakuzu can beat Sasori, it doesn't make me think he's a better ninja overall. In fact, it's probably safer to put them in "tiers" than actual ranks.

My Akatsuki Tiers:

Top: Pein, Madara when he regains full strength.
Elite: Itachi, Zetsu (I know, I'm making an assumption here, but considering that Zetsu gave orders to Deidara, Kakuzu and Hidan, I think he is a high-ranking powerful member)
High: Orochimaru, Kakuzu, Sasori
Mid: Deidara, Kisame, Konan (hopefully she has more to show than her dismal performance against Jiraiya)
Low: Hidan

[zabuza666]

Kakuku? Kakushu? It's Kakuzu!

Anyway, Akatsuki rankings are a difficult thing - even though I believe Kakuzu can beat Sasori, it doesn't make me think he's a better ninja overall. In fact, it's probably safer to put them in "tiers" than actual ranks.

My Akatsuki Tiers:

Top: Pein, Madara when he regains full strength.
Elite: Itachi, Zetsu (I know, I'm making an assumption here, but considering that Zetsu gave orders to Deidara, Kakuzu and Hidan, I think he is a high-ranking powerful member)
High: Orochimaru, Kakuzu, Sasori
Mid: Deidara, Kisame, Konan (hopefully she has more to show than her dismal performance against Jiraiya)
Low: Hidan

Sasori should be at least elite tier, from what we've seen I'd say he is Top tier. All that said though Kakuzu still wins cause he is a bad match-up for Sasori.

[niyesuH]

Kakuzu should win

[Niko Bellic]

This match has been done to death.

But I ALWAYS say Kakuzu.He has too much raw power and poison doesn't effect him.

Sasori lands one hit. Kakuzu is poisoned. Game over, Sasori wins.

Sasori lands one hit.Kakuzu doesn't get effected by poison.Sasori is fucked.

[Jay Blaze]

Sasori is kind of underestimate here. Sasori style of fighting would leave an open in kakuzu's "Great" defense(ion skin is the only thing keeping kakuzu alive in this fight, lets be real without he's fuck against the likes of sasori) .

You have to take more than just physical strength, all factors should be added in. Sasori' cunningness and trickery gives kakuzu more than just a challenge. Iron skin to me is overrated, the speed and trajectory of iron sand would be more than able to pierce his defences. And if kakuzu starts deattaching his ghoul that makes it even easier on sasori's behalf.

If sasori gets the one hundred puppets in play then its over he can easily take a shot from kakuzu, play possum, wait for him to disable iron skin, switch to another puppet, and stab kakuzu. Once kakuzu is poisoned its over, he becomes paralyzed and even if he had a heart out his body being reattached it wont help him move as the poison is still going to be flowing throughout his whole body.

Dont underestimate the one-hit kill.

[Watchman]

Sasori is kind of underestimate here. Sasori style of fighting would leave an open in kakuzu's "Great" defense(ion skin is the only thing keeping kakuzu alive in this fight, lets be real without he's fuck against the likes of sasori) .

You have to take more than just physical strength, all factors should be added in. Sasori' cunningness and trickery gives kakuzu more than just a challenge. Iron skin to me is overrated, the speed and trajectory of iron sand would be more than able to pierce his defences. And if kakuzu starts deattaching his ghoul that makes it even easier on sasori's behalf.

If sasori gets the one hundred puppets in play then its over he can easily take a shot from kakuzu, play possum, wait for him to disable iron skin, switch to another puppet, and stab kakuzu. Once kakuzu is poisoned its over, he becomes paralyzed and even if he had a heart out his body being reattached it wont help him move as the poison is still going to be flowing throughout his whole body.

Dont underestimate the one-hit kill.

The thing is that it's not just Iron Skin that make people say Kakuzu will win this - it's also the fact that any one of his masks, but especially his Fuuton Mask can nullify Sasori's attacks, blowing them off trajectory. A combined Fuuton Katon could, most likely occupy even his 100 puppets, and the only puppet of Sasori's that really stands a chance of defending against such a hit is Hiruko, which has no real way of forcing its offense through.

Nobody is saying that Sasori is weak - but most people here agree that Kakuzu is a bad match-up for him.

Sasori should be at least elite tier, from what we've seen I'd say he is Top tier. All that said though Kakuzu still wins cause he is a bad match-up for Sasori. I'm slightly hesitant about putting Sasori in Elite Tier, as I view him as equal in power to Orochimaru, who was pwned quite easily by Itachi. Sasori may do better against Itachi, being a bad match-up for the Uchiha, but I don't see him as being on his level overall.

Then again, the Akatsuki "High Tier" consists of people above and beyond most Kages, so it's all good.

[Id]

I doubt Kakazu or Sasori mid…uper mid if you ask me. Really minus the Leader and Tobi; Akatsuki seems balanced so far.

[.:Minato:.]

Anyways, I'd like to point out that Kakuzu has never once attacked with the Iron Skin throughout his whole body, and ImO he can't... It's a purely deffensive Jutsu.


Actually Kakuzu has attacked once with Iron Skin on...and it knocked down the temple's gates.

Kakuzu should be able to take this one.

[Spiral]

I doubt Kakazu or Sasori mid…uper mid if you ask me. Really minus the Leader and Tobi; Akatsuki seems balanced so far.

thats true.


sasori may have the upper hand depending on terrain, but kakuzu's ability to use multiple elements gives him an advantage anywhere. tough call.

but i pick kakuzu.

[Sōsuke Aizen]

people keep saying that sasori wins, but how is he going to get past doton?

[-Deidara-]

kakuzu wins this one.

[Id]

Sasori I choose you:
A) 100 Puppet Swarm
B) Kaze Kage Iron Sand
C) Poison Gas
D) Flamethower


Its Super Effective!!

[Sōsuke Aizen]

Sasori I choose you:
A) 100 Puppet Swarm
B) Kaze Kage Iron Sand
C) Poison Gas
D) Flamethower


Its Super Effective!!




you think that iron sand can get threw doton?:huh

[Id]

you think that iron sand can get threw doton?:huh
Yeah….:huh

[Watchman]

If only Sasori had those Anime-Only High-Pressure Water Jets! Those were so frickin' awesome!

[Sōsuke Aizen]

Yeah….:huh

why? doton has taken way worse than what iron sand has done.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/313/11/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/313/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/333/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/333/15/ (kakuzu even said that physical attacks do nothing to him.)



only chidori was shown to be able to pierce doton and that was only because it was doton's natural weakness.

[Yáng]

One cut to those veins and Kakuzu is a goner. Akasuna no Sasori definately takes my vote.

[Sōsuke Aizen]

One cut to those veins and Kakuzu is a goner. Akasuna no Sasori definately takes my vote.

poisoning may not work....kakuzu is all strings and shit so yeah, and besides doton will protect him.

[masamune1]

I'm slightly hesitant about putting Sasori in Elite Tier, as I view him as equal in power to Orochimaru, who was pwned quite easily by Itachi. Sasori may do better against Itachi, being a bad match-up for the Uchiha, but I don't see him as being on his level overall.

Then again, the Akatsuki "High Tier" consists of people above and beyond most Kages, so it's all good.

Equal?

Orochimaru is defintely stronger than Sasori. He possesses more experience, greater adaptability, and far greater destructive power, esp. if he was given a bit of prep.

In that sense, he is in theory stronger than Itachi; he is in practice weaker because Itachi-despite having pretty much the same aforementioned shortcomings as Sasori when compared to Oro- happens to be beyond him in a few key areas.
Speed, Genjutsu, Sharingan and Taijutsu, and I presume the overall quality, though not quantity, of his Ninjutsu, are what makes him stronger, esp. when they are combined.

Itachi did'nt Oro just because he's stronger than him; he bet him because he was faster than him. Oro was surprised not by the fact that Itachi could trap him in a Genjutsu-technically speaking a 5 year old could do that-he was surprised by the strength of the Illusion, and more importantly how quickly Itachi applied it.

Also, if you look closely you can see Oro is about to dispell the Genjutsu, before Itachi lobs off his hand and makes him imagine he is being staked. Itachi fully understands how dangerous Orochimaru can be-esp. if he lets him go all-out. He won because he was senseible enough, and quick enough, to not give him the chance to.

It is, in fact, the same basic scenario we have here. Itachi and Oro are about equal, but Itachi has certain qualities that make him a very bad match-up for the Sannin. On that note:

Top: Pein, Madara when he regains full strength.
High: Itachi, Orochimaru, Zetsu
Mid: Kakuzu, Sasori, Deidara (come on-he could blow up VILLAGES with ease) Kisame, Konan
Low: Hidan


There; that's about right. Most Akatsuki are probably on the same level-they just have such different styles it's hard to tell. Of course, Ninja Rank should be determined not so much by power as by skill (which determines their power to some extent...).

[Truepotential]

Sasori wins.

100 puppets > Iron body.

[Yáng]

poisoning may not work....kakuzu is all strings and shit so yeah, and besides doton will protect him.The strings extend back to his body, so I'm sure poisoning would work. Also, his body harndening techniques can't protect the animals when they are outside of his body.

[zabuza666]

I'm slightly hesitant about putting Sasori in Elite Tier, as I view him as equal in power to Orochimaru, who was pwned quite easily by Itachi. Sasori may do better against Itachi, being a bad match-up for the Uchiha, but I don't see him as being on his level overall.

Then again, the Akatsuki "High Tier" consists of people above and beyond most Kages, so it's all good.

Eh I would confidently say he is far stronger then Oro, in my opinion (remember this is based of what we've seen so far so is not necessarily true) Sasori is the strongest member we've seen.

[masamune1]

Based on what we've seen I would defintely rank Oro higher.

Based on what we have'nt then Oro stands a mountain above him.

[.Nagato.]

sasori takes this one, sandaimes arm blades cuts hirukos tail which is harder than iron

[Velvet]

sasori wins thnx to his puppets ^_^

[zabuza666]

Based on what we've seen I would defintely rank Oro higher.

Based on what we have'nt then Oro stands a mountain above him.

That makes absoloutely no sense :|, based on what we've seen Sasori stands a mountain over Oro.

[Distracted]

People are forgetting MANY things here. First off, Chiyo and Sakura were fast enough to get to Sasori's hiruko and attack it. This can be attributed partially to Chiyo's experience, but it does show Sasori has limited speed.

In fact, while Sasori showed deceptively high level taijutsu, he did not ever actually out pace the 2 kunoichi.

However, Kakuzu made Kakashi look slow. Also, people are forgetting that Kakuzu is probably the worst match up that Sasori could ever hope to have.

First off, the 100 puppet jutsu. Kakuzu launches GIANT elemental jutsu. I think most people never truly appreciated the sheer size and force behind these attacks, allow me to show an example for you.

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume37big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=41533
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume37big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=41534

Look at the size of those trees. They are MANY times the size of Kakuzu and Kakashi combined.

fuuton (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume37big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=41549)
Raiton (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume37big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=41551)
Katon (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume37big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=41555)

Kakuzu has also shown that he can launch them at the same time (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume38big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=43347). These all show Kakuzu's main defense, a great offense.

Add in his beastly strength and speed (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume37.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=41291) and it becomes obvious. This isn't going to be easy for SAsori. He's not going to just be able to launch attacks and hit Sasori whenever he wants.

Also, nothing the 100 puppets has the force to cut Kakuzu (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume37.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=41149) as that link shows.

Now, everyone here keeps bragging about the Kazekage puppet and it's ability to use the iron sand. Which is true, if there was a way for Sasori to defeat Kakuzu this (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38978) is it.

However, there is one just one problem. Sasori has only shown the ability to control the kazekage by itself (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38883). In every single way the kazekage has appear to be far more complex, have far more traps, and have far more abilities than any other puppet. Even when it was outnumbered 2-1 he didn't summon another puppet to help it out. He fought it 2 to 1.

Sasori only uses the kazekage by itself, and on top of that. not a single thing from that attack did more than scratch Sakura. (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38990) Think about that, it didn't pierce her, it didn't stab her, it only SCRATCHED her.

Your telling me Sakura by herself could dodge that attack so effectively and Kakuzu can't? Oh, and one FINAL reason why Kakuzu is the ultimate anti-Sasori. If Sakura can do (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38957) this (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38958), Kakuzu can as well.

Stop with this bullshit, Kakuzu wins because he's the worst match up for Sasori. Superior firepower, superior speed, superior strength, and an ultimate defense.

[Kira]

Kakuzu should win this one as he is a bad matchup for Sasori. I doubt that Sasori's attacks will be strong enough to get passed Kakuzu's iron skin.

[masamune1]

That makes absoloutely no sense :|, based on what we've seen Sasori stands a mountain over Oro.

I would like to see Sasori deal with unkillable Kage-level Zombies; 50 Foot Snake Summons (and a 100 Foot Boss Summon); Regeneration; Superhuman Stretching/Flexibility and lots and lots of other stuff.

The stuff we have'nt seen partails to all the Elemental Jutsu he has'nt shown us (though he showed a very powerful Wind Jutsu early on), all the Forbidden Jutsu he has learned; all the new Jutsu he has invented; and of course the issue as to whether or not Sasori's poison would even have any effect on him.

Oro stands atop the Mountain.

[Watchman]

I would like to see Sasori deal with unkillable Kage-level Zombies; 500 Foot Snake Summons (and a 100 Foot Boss Summon); Regeneration; Superhuman Stretching/Flexibility and lots and lots of other stuff.

The stuff we have'nt seen partails to all the Elemental Jutsu he has'nt shown us (though he showed a very powerful Wind Jutsu early on), all the Forbidden Jutsu he has learned; all the new Jutsu he has invented; and of course the issue as to whether or not Sasori's poison would even have any effect on him.

Oro stands atop the Mountain.

The only thing that truly decides who is the stronger of the two is whether Orochimaru is immune to the poison or not.

Orochimaru tends not to dodge attacks much, instead relying on his advanced regenerative powers - so the chance of him getting scratched is quite high, and should he be susceptible to the poison, he will lose - no matter what.

Should he be immune, then likewise, there is nothing really that Sasori can do to stop him.

[Final Jutsu]

Kakuzu..he'd destroy too many puppets with each S ele, if sasori's main body is hit he might die..sasori might take some hearts, but the thing about sasori is, each time he does, he might reveal something vital information for kakuzu to know, and use to his advantage. Kakuzu due to hearts.

[masamune1]

The only thing that truly decides who is the stronger of the two is whether Orochimaru is immune to the poison or not.

Orochimaru tends not to dodge attacks much, instead relying on his advanced regenerative powers - so the chance of him getting scratched is quite high, and should he be susceptible to the poison, he will lose - no matter what.

Should he be immune, then likewise, there is nothing really that Sasori can do to stop him.

You yourself are arguing that Sasori and Kakuzu are on the same level, but that Kakuzu would demolish in a fight. This is not any different. Battle's are not the best way to determine levels.

Also, you have ranked Itachi ABOVE SAsori, despite his style being to stand around and use Genjutsu. He is far less a dodging type than Orochimaru is (and unquestionably should have no Poison immunity), though Oro does'nt rely on Regeneration as much as you seem to think. He has shown impressive agility and flexibility, not to mention far greater destructive power. He could probably just Summon Manda and let the Boss fall on Sasori and all his 100 puppets.

Summoning and Power (not to mention Oro's greater flexibility-in thinking not just in style) is the main difference between the two. Poison is negligable.

[Watchman]

You yourself are arguing that Sasori and Kakuzu are on the same level, but that Kakuzu would demolish in a fight. This is not any different. Battle's are not the best way to determine levels.

Apologies, I'm unsure what you're trying to say here.

Also, you have ranked Itachi ABOVE Sasori, despite his style being to stand around and use Genjutsu.

We have seen Itachi in two fights (three if you include the beatdown on Sasuke). In one, yes, he was mostly Genjutsu'ing - which proved rather effective against Naruto.

In the other, he did not do much, though he included at least one Kage Bunshin feint - at enough speed that his Kage Bunshin got behind Kurenai as he kicked her out onto the river.

He is far less a dodging type than Orochimaru is (and unquestionably should have no Poison immunity), though Oro does'nt rely on Regeneration as much as you seem to think.

True, I am relying mostly on his show in the KN4 fight - but in that, he did use mostly his "I'll vomit out a perfectly functioning body" attack multiple times, but did not do much to actually avoid blows - though he used Rashomon to defend against the Kyuubi Beam

He has shown impressive agility and flexibility, not to mention far greater destructive power. He could probably just Summon Manda and let the Boss fall on Sasori and all his 100 puppets.

Or Manda could be hit by Satetsu and defeated - even if Orochimaru has poison immunity, it does not mean that his Boss Summon does. I will admit that Orochimaru has shown rather impressive agility and flexibility in his playfight against Pre-Skip Sasuke, but against all foes since then, he has seemed to prefer to just tank their attacks rather than dodge them.

Summoning and Power (not to mention Oro's greater flexibility-in thinking not just in style) is the main difference between the two. Poison is negligable.

Poison is not negligible, as we do not know whether Orochimaru has an immunity or not, and if he does not, then he is almost certainly going to be scratched.

[Sōsuke Aizen]

The strings extend back to his body, so I'm sure poisoning would work. Also, his body harndening techniques can't protect the animals when they are outside of his body.



his animals may be immune to poisoning..... and besides kakuzu won't need to take his animals out. just doton and his regular strength to destroy sasori and his puppets.

[Id]

why? doton has taken way worse than what iron sand has done.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/313/11/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/313/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/333/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/333/15/ (kakuzu even said that physical attacks do nothing to him.)



only chidori was shown to be able to pierce doton and that was only because it was doton's natural weakness.

Kakuzu took blunt blows, but piercing ones are a different case. Kakuzu only forms a layer of Donton armor surrounding his body, how much force does Sasori need to pierce his armor? From the looks, of how messed up Sasori left the terrain… enough.

[Sōsuke Aizen]

Kakuzu took blunt blows, but piercing ones are a different case. Kakuzu only forms a layer of Donton armor surrounding his body, how much force does Sasori need to pierce his armor? From the looks, of how messed up Sasori left the terrain… enough.

oh come on, thats prue speculation. kakuzu took a blow from chouji that left him heated( you can see the smoke.) in the crator and it did nothing. that so far exceeds anything that sasori has done.

[zabuza666]

I would like to see Sasori deal with unkillable Kage-level Zombies; 500 Foot Snake Summons (and a 100 Foot Boss Summon); Regeneration; Superhuman Stretching/Flexibility and lots and lots of other stuff.

The stuff we have'nt seen partails to all the Elemental Jutsu he has'nt shown us (though he showed a very powerful Wind Jutsu early on), all the Forbidden Jutsu he has learned; all the new Jutsu he has invented; and of course the issue as to whether or not Sasori's poison would even have any effect on him.

Oro stands atop the Mountain.

Thats like saying we havn't seen George Bush shoot lasers out of his eyes, but we know he can do it :|.

Also where was the 500 foot snake summon? And I'd love to see Oro deal with kazekage and 100 puppets, where one scratch is all it takes to kill him.

[Sōsuke Aizen]

Thats like saying we havn't seen George Bush shoot lasers out of his eyes, but we know he can do it :|.


lol, so true!:nuts

[masamune1]

^George Bush has laser vision? Well, I owe him a lot more respect than I have shown him, then. ORo has dedicated his life to learning all the Justu in the World-he has a hell of a lot more than he has shown, or could show, in the mAnga.

500 foot was a mistake-I meant 50 foot. THEY (and invincible Zombie Kages) would be enough to take on Sasori's puppets, which were defeated by a girl and old lady (both of whom are slower and less agile than him), and which he cannot control very well (100 puppets, anyway) in any case.

But this is'nt about Oro, so this is all pointless.


Apologies, I'm unsure what you're trying to say here.

I'm saying that you believe Sasori and Kakuzu to be on the ame level, but that-due to his style- Kakuzu would destroy him in a fight.

To me, that's the same as Sasori's Poison-he has a style that lets him take down an opponent that is, ultimately, on the same or even a greater level than he is. Of course, I don't think the Poison is as dangerous as you seem to think, and I DO think that Oro's overall justu showing is much more impressive.


We have seen Itachi in two fights (three if you include the beatdown on Sasuke). In one, yes, he was mostly Genjutsu'ing - which proved rather effective against Naruto.

In the other, he did not do much, though he included at least one Kage Bunshin feint - at enough speed that his Kage Bunshin got behind Kurenai as he kicked her out onto the river.

Speed is one thing; agility is another. That Bunshin feat was'nt quite as impressive as you think-it was fast, but it's not like there was a huge distance it had to travel. As for Genjutsu'ing Naruto, it's not like he's a hard ninja to Genjutsu. (Sasori probably is, even if he's not immune to it).
Besides, in his fights with Kakashi, Itachi used similar tactics-staying roughy in the same spot and using his superior speed to out-fight him rather than out-manouvere him.

Agility (and reflexes) is much more important when fighting Sasori than speed, because of the vast number of poisoned attacks he is going to be using, which wil cover wide areas. Itachi has very fast reflexes and tha will help, but his apperent lack of agilty (or disinterest in it) will hinder him greatly, because dodging all those attacks requires a great deal of manouverability.

Orohimaru has displayed much more in this area than Itachi has, or is ever likely to.



True, I am relying mostly on his show in the KN4 fight - but in that, he did use mostly his "I'll vomit out a perfectly functioning body" attack multiple times, but did not do much to actually avoid blows - though he used Rashomon to defend against the Kyuubi Beam



Or Manda could be hit by Satetsu and defeated - even if Orochimaru has poison immunity, it does not mean that his Boss Summon does. I will admit that Orochimaru has shown rather impressive agility and flexibility in his playfight against Pre-Skip Sasuke, but against all foes since then, he has seemed to prefer to just tank their attacks rather than dodge them.

I can't imagine Manda's skin being easy to pierce (smaller Snake summons in the Konoha Invasion just ignored exploding Kunai's); but even then he has Kawarimi to fall back on. Oro has that, too, as well as Kage Bunshin's and other tricks (like vomiting a second body out of his mouth), and they will certainly be used in a fight where one hit means death. Of course, I do expect Manda to act before it gets tat far-he is incredibly fast for something so big, though his size means he does'nt have to move fast at all.

In the KN4 fight, Oro chose to take him head-on because it was the simplest thing to do. Trying to out-run, out-jump or out-manouvere him would have been pointless, because such tactics are for where the enemy has a weak point you are trying to get around to, or for when you are trying to outlast him. In both cases it is for enemies that are far stronger but quite a bit slower than you-KN4 was that, but he did'nt have any noticable weaknesses and id'nt look like he was going to get tired anytime soon.

Oro, therefore, took him on with brute force, and the fact that he could is a testamnent to his own incredible powers, esp. since jiraiya nearly died the last time that thing came out. I doubt Sasori would last as long as either, based on what we've seen. Also, though Oro did show great agility in the first Sasuke fight, he also showed it in the Sarutobi (in the bits where he actually took his teacher on-eg. at one point we see him jump 50 feet in the air, I believe) and the Sannin fights (where he HAD to be agile-he had no use of his arms, after all).


Poison is not negligible, as we do not know whether Orochimaru has an immunity or not, and if he does not, then he is almost certainly going to be scratched.

If he is not immune to Poison then Oro is just like most other ninja in the Manga, including guy's like Pain and Itachi whom you rank higher and you seem to think would beat Sasori. He has shown a whole lot more than either of them, too, esp. in destructive power.

[Suzuku]

I don't think Sasori's puppets will be able to survive against Kakuzu's elemental masks.

[Sōsuke Aizen]

[QUOTE=masamune1;12527161]^George Bush has laser vision? Well, I owe him a lot more respect than I have shown him, then.


he also has sharingan!! and he genjutsued us to re -elected him!!:nuts


no thats enough, I will stop

[Munboy Dracule O'Brian]

I say Kakuzu with some difficulty

[Id]

oh come on, thats prue speculation. kakuzu took a blow from chouji that left him heated( you can see the smoke.) in the crator and it did nothing. that so far exceeds anything that sasori has done.

Blunt attacks are diffrent from piercing ones. Can you determine if the Donton armor, could sustain no damage from Satetsu Kaihou (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38978)?

[Kissa]

I say Kakauzu will win this battle

[Distracted]

Kakuzu took blunt blows, but piercing ones are a different case. Kakuzu only forms a layer of Donton armor surrounding his body, how much force does Sasori need to pierce his armor? From the looks, of how messed up Sasori left the terrain… enough.

That's a very biased statement.

By the same Logic Sasori failed to actually stab anyone with anything other than a sword at the end of the battle.

Either way, you're incorrect Kakuzu has taken a piercing attack (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume37big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=41425)

That's actually IN HIS EYE... and he didn't spill a drop of blood.

He can take anything Sasori can throw at him just fine.


Blunt attacks are diffrent from piercing ones. Can you determine if the Donton armor, could sustain no damage from Satetsu Kaihou (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38978)?

You should show the next 2 scans as well.
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38988
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38990

Sakura was only scratched.

[Jay Blaze]

People are forgetting MANY things here. First off, Chiyo and Sakura were fast enough to get to Sasori's hiruko and attack it. This can be attributed partially to Chiyo's experience, but it does show Sasori has limited speed.

In fact, while Sasori showed deceptively high level taijutsu, he did not ever actually out pace the 2 kunoichi.

Without that chakra string trick by the vet named chiyo they wouldnt have gotten anywhere near sasori. he didnt dodge because he preferred to attack(the speed at which he can whip his tail around is second nature for him, in fact, he knock away a shuriken while facing and talking to deidara) and had no knowledge of the chakra chiyo had attached.

How did he not outpace them? He stabbed sakura through the gut and almost chopped chiyo to pieces had sakura not had an antidote to overcome the paralysis.

Sasori only uses the kazekage by itself, and on top of that. not a single thing from that attack did more than scratch Sakura. (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38990) Think about that, it didn't pierce her, it didn't stab her, it only SCRATCHED her.

Your telling me Sakura by herself could dodge that attack so effectively and Kakuzu can't? Oh, and one FINAL reason why Kakuzu is the ultimate anti-Sasori. If Sakura can do (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38957) this (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38958), Kakuzu can as well.

I must clarify that sakura didnt dodge by herself, chiyo aided her.

How is kakuzu going to dodge? he had to use iron skin to dodge chouji. he sux at dodging, he uses iron skin beause he's not the evasive type meaning he can and probably would get hit by an iron sand attack.

That's a very biased statement.

By the same Logic Sasori failed to actually stab anyone with anything other than a sword at the end of the battle.

Either way, you're incorrect Kakuzu has taken a piercing attack (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume37big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=41425)

That's actually IN HIS EYE... and he didn't spill a drop of blood.

He can take anything Sasori can throw at him just fine.

He stabbed sakura with his stomach cable.

Kakuzu didnt get stabbed in the eye more like grased on the side of the face and he didnt bleed because he had iron skin activated.

You should show the next 2 scans as well.
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38988
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38990

Sakura was only scratched.

Chiyo still had her chakra strings attached as she was pulling sakura away from the iron sand implying she helped sakura move out of the way a little.

[Id]

That's a very biased statement.

By the same Logic Sasori failed to actually stab anyone with anything other than a sword at the end of the battle.

Either way, you're incorrect Kakuzu has taken a piercing attack (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume37big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=41425)

That's actually IN HIS EYE... and he didn't spill a drop of blood.

He can take anything Sasori can throw at him just fine.

.
I do not know if I should ignore this post, or laugh at the reasons behind this rebuttal. Kakuzu does not know the ins and out of the Sasori puppets. Which played an key factor in second guessing, how Sasori would attack. And I would hardly consider some chuunin wilding a sword, rival the force behind Satetsu Kaihou.


You should show the next 2 scans as well.
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38988
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38990

Sakura was only scratched.
Your point?

[Distracted]

Without that chakra string trick by the vet named chiyo they wouldnt have gotten anywhere near sasori. he didnt dodge because he preferred to attack(the speed at which he can whip his tail around is second nature for him, in fact, he knock away a shuriken while facing and talking to deidara) and had no knowledge of the chakra chiyo had attached.

How did he not outpace them? He stabbed sakura through the gut and almost chopped chiyo to pieces had sakura not had an antidote to overcome the paralysis.



I must clarify that sakura didnt dodge by herself, chiyo aided her.

How is kakuzu going to dodge? he had to use iron skin to dodge chouji. he sux at dodging, he uses iron skin beause he's not the evasive type meaning he can and probably would get hit by an iron sand attack.



He stabbed sakura with his stomach cable.

Kakuzu didnt get stabbed in the eye more like grased on the side of the face and he didnt bleed because he had iron skin activated.



Chiyo still had her chakra strings attached as she was pulling sakura away from the iron sand implying she helped sakura move out of the way a little.

I do not know if I should ignore this post, or laugh at the reasons behind this rebuttal. Kakuzu does not know the ins and out of the Sasori puppets. Which played an key factor in second guessing, how Sasori would attack. And I would hardly consider some chuunin wilding a sword, rival the force behind Satetsu Kaihou.

You guys obviously need to go over the fight again. At this point into the fight Sakura was not being controlled by Chiyo.

Chiyo had just pulled out the Mom and Dad puppets, fought the kazekage puppet for a while, and then used the puppets to shield against the iron sand. In no shape way or form did she aid Sakura in dodging the iron sand. In fact her knowledge of puppet jutsu does not even come close to applying to the third Kazekages iron sand ability. That has nothing to do with puppets or knowing about hidden traps.

That is the 3rd Kazekage's unique ability.

In fact, Sakura actually took the hit from the iron sand intentionally to finish off the kazekage puppet.

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume30.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=37565

Neither of you know a thing about what you're talking about and need to re-read the fight again.


Your point?


Sasori failed to pierce anything with his attack. Sakura, without aid from Chiyo, and Chiyo by herself both managed to dodge the tack with minor scratches.

Kakuzu is much faster, has an elemental armor defense which Sasori has no elemental advantage over, and has powerful elemental attacks he can use on Sasori the moment he pulls out the puppets in the first place.

The fight won't last long enough for an attack to become a factor in the first place, but if it is one Kakuzu can EASILY dodge it and even likely out run it in the first place.

I can't believe everyone attributes Sakura's dodging to Chiyo's strings...

[Id]

Crazy talk, Sakuras best efforts got her tagged a few times within the course of that action alone. Kakuzu with the donton armor hardly has ANY mobility feats. If Kakuzu thinks his mere layer of Donton armor, can with stand the real deal or even punch Satetsu Kaihou he is royal fucked on so many levels.

[Distracted]

Crazy talk, Sakuras best efforts got her tagged a few times within the course of that action alone. Kakuzu with the donton armor hardly has ANY mobility feats. If Kakuzu thinks his mere layer of Donton armor, can with stand the real deal or even punch Satetsu Kaihou he is royal fucked on so many levels.

He can dodge it without the doton armor, and if he is going to get hit, he can activate it. The only way I think the doton armor could be pierced is with a very direct and highly focused attack form Sasori using the iron sand.

If he's just using it in a giant general fashion Kakuzu could easily shunshin away from it or even survive just a direct attack from it and suffer a glancing blow with the doton armor activated and not get scratched.

Add in that the only blood Kakuzu has ever shown came directly from a heart being pierced and this becomes even more insane as he may not actually have blood in his body.

I still feel Sasori is the stronger over all character, but Kakuzu is literally the worst possible match up against Sasori.

Remember: Sasori has to get out of hiruko (or be forced out) (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38820)

pull out the scroll (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38881) and summon the kazekage (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38882)

pull out the iron sand (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38921)

form it into 2 shapes (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38946)

and smash them together (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38971)

and then he finally has the attack everyone thinks will win. (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38978)

Why does everyone think Sasori will even last that long? Kakuzu almost always has relentless assaults on his opponents, Sasori can't just simply summon everything, form his attack, and use the only thing that people think gives Sasori any sort of edge on Kakuzu.

Shenanigans.

[AbnormallyNormal]

unless sasori understands he needs lightning to break kakuzu's iron body, he has no chance in hell

[Id]

He can dodge it without the doton armor, and if he is going to get hit, he can activate it. The only way I think the doton armor could be pierced is with a very direct and highly focused attack form Sasori using the iron sand.

If he's just using it in a giant general fashion Kakuzu could easily shunshin away from it or even survive just a direct attack from it and suffer a glancing blow with the doton armor activated and not get scratched.

Add in that the only blood Kakuzu has ever shown came directly from a heart being pierced and this becomes even more insane as he may not actually have blood in his body.

I still feel Sasori is the stronger over all character, but Kakuzu is literally the worst possible match up against Sasori.

Remember: Sasori has to get out of hiruko (or be forced out) (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38820)

pull out the scroll (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38881) and summon the kazekage (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38882)

pull out the iron sand (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38921)

form it into 2 shapes (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38946)

and smash them together (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38971)

and then he finally has the attack everyone thinks will win. (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38978)

Why does everyone think Sasori will even last that long? Kakuzu almost always has relentless assaults on his opponents, Sasori can't just simply summon everything, form his attack, and use the only thing that people think gives Sasori any sort of edge on Kakuzu.

Shenanigans.
Whats Kakuzu going do? physically beat Sasori to death. Because he didn't demonstrate any Jutsus between his base and Donton form form.

[Watchman]

Whats Kakuzu going do? physically beat Sasori to death. Because he didn't demonstrate any Jutsus between his base and Donton form form.

To be fair, I'd say he's capable of doing so - He smashed down the iron doors of the Fire Temple, that is strength on the level of Sakura's smashy-smashy! If he gets the heart (and he should realise that the heart is Sasori's weak point), then Sasori's a goner.

Again, Sasori is not weak, but this is a tremendously bad match-up for him.

[Axccel]

I will say Sasori's overall fighting style and use with puppets and poison would be useless. The Kazekage and Iron Sand is the only technique he would need. It has been shown to be speedy and and cover a whole range with manipulative properties for perfect offense and defense.

It's all in the density, pinpoint, and speed to pierce and impale him to bring him down.

[Distracted]

Whats Kakuzu going do? physically beat Sasori to death. Because he didn't demonstrate any Jutsus between his base and Donton form form.

He didn't demonstrate them, but that does not mean he lacks the ability to use the hearts. It was shown that he has to release the hearts from his body, but it's not like he has the doton armor on at ALL times making it impossible for him to release the hearts and continue to use the doton one in his body.

Which just presents even more chaos for Sasori.

Sasori's biggest weakness is an overwhelming offense - - something Kakuzu can provide better than any other single person.

Mind you, the likeliness of Kakuzu killing Sasori with a good punch or a good elemental jutsu is very (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/vol31big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=40039) unlikely. (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/vol31big.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=40041)

However, every single one of Sasori's puppets can be taken out with a good punch or a powerful jutsu. Including the vaunted kazekage. (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume301.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38993)

[Jay Blaze]

You guys obviously need to go over the fight again. At this point into the fight Sakura was not being controlled by Chiyo.

Chiyo had just pulled out the Mom and Dad puppets, fought the kazekage puppet for a while, and then used the puppets to shield against the iron sand. In no shape way or form did she aid Sakura in dodging the iron sand. In fact her knowledge of puppet jutsu does not even come close to applying to the third Kazekages iron sand ability. That has nothing to do with puppets or knowing about hidden traps.

That is the 3rd Kazekage's unique ability.

In fact, Sakura actually took the hit from the iron sand intentionally to finish off the kazekage puppet.

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