Hidan Vs Asuma

[ZE]

Asuma knows all about Hidan, it’s a one on one battle until one of them die. They go all out, Asuma knows he can’t allow Hidan to get his blood. The same place they fought in the manga.

[Kyon]

Hidan would still win. Without someone like Shikamaru to hold Hidan in place, Asuma is going to have a very hard time disabling Hidan. If he gets in close, Hidan can get a scratch. If he stays away, Hidan can use the rope he has to extend his range. A tough battle for Asuma to win, though he does have a chance.

[Panic Attack]

Asuma may be the only person Hidan could handle alone. Thus i'd say he wins again.

[The Pink Ninja]

Lets face it, anyone could beat Hidan if they were allowed to set up a huge trap like Shika did before fighting.

Hell, that'd work on anyone too, not just Hidan.

Asuma would die. Sure you can say he could cut of Hidan's head.

But decapitation kills everyone else too.

Hidan only has to scratch Asuma to win. Meanwhile Asuma has to score a direct, clean blow to the head or neck.

Hell, we have already seen this fight. Asuma came at Hidan and was killed, evenw ith Shika's support. Hidan was delayed by Shika for a while but in the end Asuma died.

So what if Asuma knows about the curse? He'll get cut eventually.

[The Truth]

Asuma is a close range fighter, so I think he'd still lose. Hidan outmaneuvered both him and Shikamaru at the same time, only difference is Asuma won't die that quickly this time around.

[TreeofSephri]

Asuma has one chance and only one chance. He dodges and then cuts his head off. Asuma has to make sure whatever he does basically keep Hidan from attacking while he is in close range. Because even a simple bite or a scratch would be the end.

[Orga777]

Saw the fight. Shikamaru told Asuma about the curse and how it worked before their fight ended. That did not stop Asuma from getting killed now did it? This fight is over just as fast as it was before. And everyone still seems to get the impression that Hidan is slow. But yet he was able to keep up with Kakashi.

[Spudly nin of krabcheese]

Hidan would win because Asuma can't kill him.

[Saosin]

Hidan .

[Grrblt]

Saw the fight. Shikamaru told Asuma about the curse and how it worked before their fight ended. That did not stop Asuma from getting killed now did it?
Asuma was already cursed by then.

This fight is over just as fast as it was before. And everyone still seems to get the impression that Hidan is slow. But yet he was able to keep up with Kakashi.
Asuma isn't slow either.

[milkshakes]

Obviously Hidan wins cause he killed Asuma...

[Kaiji]

Hidan would still win. Without someone like Shikamaru to hold Hidan in place, Asuma is going to have a very hard time disabling Hidan. If he gets in close, Hidan can get a scratch. If he stays away, Hidan can use the rope he has to extend his range. A tough battle for Asuma to win, though he does have a chance.

same here .

[Grrblt]

Obviously Hidan wins cause he killed Asuma...

There's no "obviously" here. Hidan killed Asuma, but he was also defeated by someone who knew his abilities. In this fight, Asuma knows Hidan's abilities. It creates an entirely new fight. You could argue that Asuma's new advantage isn't enough and Hidan would still win, but don't think that their previous fight is enough to build an opinion from.

[Orga777]

There's no "obviously" here. Hidan killed Asuma, but he was also defeated by someone who knew his abilities. In this fight, Asuma knows Hidan's abilities. It creates an entirely new fight. You could argue that Asuma's new advantage isn't enough and Hidan would still win, but don't think that their previous fight is enough to build an opinion from.

Again, that did not stop him from getting killed the first time. He knew all about Hidan's curse when Shikamaru told him how it works in the fight, and he already knew Hidan was immortal. So it is still going to be the same outcome, except this time it will be worse for Asuma since he doesn't have Shikamaru to hold Hidan down. As for being already cursed, yea, but he has to get close to Hidan in order to attack since that is his fighting style, which really fails against Hidan.

[milkshakes]

Plus if asuma attacks hidan he would get damaged himself so there isnt much of an advantage for him..

[Grrblt]

Again, that did not stop him from getting killed the first time. He knew all about Hidan's curse when Shikamaru told him how it works in the fight, and he already knew Hidan was immortal. So it is still going to be the same outcome, except this time it will be worse for Asuma since he doesn't have Shikamaru to hold Hidan down. As for being already cursed, yea, but he has to get close to Hidan in order to attack since that is his fighting style, which really fails against Hidan.

Again, he was already cursed when Shikamaru told him so the information didn't help him then. It helps him now, he knows that it is completely vital that he does not get scratched at all. Like I said, stop thinking it will happen the same way as last time. This is a new fight. Didn't you see how much Shikamaru's approach changed before and after? Hidan could easily have killed Shika in their first battle, and Shika won the second time. That's how much this information means.

Hidan's weapon can be severed at the rope, and after that Asuma won't have much trouble with it. Then it's just the pikes, which have only a single dangerous point and are much easier to parry.

[ZE]

Lets face it, anyone could beat Hidan if they were allowed to set up a huge trap like Shika did before fighting.

Hell, that'd work on anyone too, not just Hidan.

Asuma would die. Sure you can say he could cut of Hidan's head.

But decapitation kills everyone else too.

Hidan only has to scratch Asuma to win. Meanwhile Asuma has to score a direct, clean blow to the head or neck.

Hell, we have already seen this fight. Asuma came at Hidan and was killed, evenw ith Shika's support. Hidan was delayed by Shika for a while but in the end Asuma died.

So what if Asuma knows about the curse? He'll get cut eventually.

I agree completely, Hidan fought with kakashi using taijutsu, meaning he would not have problems against Asuma´s taijutsu, and since he only needs to avoid asuma from cutting his head while asuma has to avoid every minor injury, Hidan has everything in his favour.


Hidan lost to shikamaru thanks entirety to Shikamaru´s plan and smartest. Shika had a plan and everything prepared, here Asuma knows about Hidan curse but he doesn’t have a plan, he doesn’t have anything prepared, and I doubt many people would make such a good plan like shika did even if they had 1 month of preparation.

[Orga777]

Again, he was already cursed when Shikamaru told him so the information didn't help him then. It helps him now, he knows that it is completely vital that he does not get scratched at all. Like I said, stop thinking it will happen the same way as last time. This is a new fight. Didn't you see how much Shikamaru's approach changed before and after? Hidan could easily have killed Shika in their first battle, and Shika won the second time. That's how much this information means.

Hidan's weapon can be severed at the rope, and after that Asuma won't have much trouble with it. Then it's just the pikes, which have only a single dangerous point and are much easier to parry.

So how is he going to fight then? He still has to get up close to do anything to hurt and even attack Hidan. Hidan won't need to use his rope in this fight since Asuma cannot fight long range battles and Hidan won't have trouble getting close to him. THAT is why it will be the same. Asuma doesn't have the abilities needed to down Hidan by himself with his fighting style.

[Grrblt]

So how is he going to fight then? He still has to get up close to do anything to hurt and even attack Hidan. Hidan won't need to use his rope in this fight since Asuma cannot fight long range battles and Hidan won't have trouble getting close to him. THAT is why it will be the same. Asuma doesn't have the abilities needed to down Hidan by himself with his fighting style.
Asuma already used a long range attack in his previous fight with Hidan. You know, katon jutsu, burned himself?

[ZE]

So how is he going to fight then? He still has to get up close to do anything to hurt and even attack Hidan. Hidan won't need to use his rope in this fight since Asuma cannot fight long range battles and Hidan won't have trouble getting close to him. THAT is why it will be the same. Asuma doesn't have the abilities needed to down Hidan by himself with his fighting style.
Well, Asuma showed one long range jutsu in his fight, it didn’t work because he was already cursed, but the thing is, if he knew about Hidan´s curse he would take some precautions, what if he throws his blades against Hidan like he did to show naruto? That can very well be devastating even for Hidan´s body. and the fact is, we never saw 100% Asuma in a fight, against Hidan he didn’t had the opportunity to show all his stuff. But I still think Hidan wins this.

[durtycheese]

i thought this battle was settled over the manga... but i guess hidan would win... again.

[Gooba]

In the first fight each side had outside help. Asuma chopped off Hidan's head, and Hidan would have lost then if not for Kakuzu stitching it back on. Sure, Asuma might not have been able to officially kill him, but he could have dug a few big holes and buried Hidan's body parts in seperate ones. He would have effectively be dead.

But, we also have to consider Asuma had help as well. Shika held Hidan in place which allowed Asuma to chop his head off. Then Shika also helped by telling Asuma about Hidan's tricks.

I think that if Asuma knew everything about Hidan, he would be able to adapt for a long distance fight. We have barely seen anything out of Asuma, and even the little we saw had 2 impressive distance attacks. He could use the Katon and throws to trick Hidan into trying to get some blood at range, and then disable his weapon since it is big and slow. Then he could get in close, and as we have seen he can go toe to toe with a taijutsu based Akatsuki. He cut Kisame, and the only reason he got damaged at all was due to ignorance of the Samehada's shark teeth.

I think Asuma disable's Hidan's weapon, then gets in close and Hidan loses his head again.

[Paper]

Unfortunately, I don't think that Asuma has much of a chance. One cut from Hidan's scythe on his beautiful, sexual body and its over.

Still, we don't know about all of his abilities. If Katon could damage Hidan pretty well, he might have a chance.

[Jio]

With knowledge of Hidan I think Asuma would take the match up.

He would first aim too destroy his scythe, once the scythe is destroyed Hidans offence is drastically lowered. Drawing blood would become more difficult, then drawing his own blood too pain the seal would be harder. Finally injuring himself enough too kill Asuma would become more difficul.

If he can get rid of his weapon he can then cut his head off and play hoops or suttin.

To be honest Hidan's jutsu works best unknown. Asuma was punked because something he beleived trivial at first ( a scratch) turned out too be fatal. If he goes into the fight cautious not too loose blood he is likely too be more careful.

[Asuma: Konoha's Blade]

Well, Hidan relies on the fact that his jutsu is a complete suprise, and his unexplainable immortality. But, for this he would have to take Asuma seriously, because now Asuma could make a defensive stance. Remember how he flipped his knives around so he could create twin lightsabers. Asuma is way better than Hidan in the tai area, so once he cuts Hidan's sythe in half, Hidan can't do shit. If Hidan fights the way he did before, without knowing that Asuma knows about the curse jutsu, Asuma crushes him hands down.

However, if Hidan has some jutsus up his lazy ass, it could be a diferrant story. And if Hidan knows that Asuma knows, we could see some skill we've never seen from Hidan. But, in the part of the fight when Asuma's blood was drawn, I think Hidan showed skill with his sythe, and dodging Shikamaru's shadow tendrils, so I won't underestimate his possible "hidden" skill. Asuma showed equal skilll however, being a close range fighter and holding his own long range. It depends on how much Hidan knows to predict the outcome of the fight, but I say it goes to my man Asuma.

[Shinji]

Asuma has no way to Immobilize Hidan like Shikamaru; so he has no chance.

[natwel]

Yeah I think that hidan would have lost to asuma if he wasn't in god mode. Because of shikamaru and asuma's brute force kicks ass anyway. It's a shame that he got stabbed in the heart Because I really hoped he'd stay

[Gooba]

Asuma has no way to Immobilize Hidan like Shikamaru; so he has no chance.Yes he does, cutting off Hidan's head. It might not kill him but he can't do anything anymore.

[Ghost_of_Gashir]

Yes he does, cutting off Hidan's head. It might not kill him but he can't do anything anymore.

You can use that logic for ANY fight.

How would Konohamaru immobilize Orochimaru?

Cut off his head! :amuse

Even before he got cursed, Hidan was outmaneuvering Asuma. And despite how slow he claims to be, Hidan was still able to scratch Asuma. Hidan's speed isn't a joke, as he was able to go blow-for-blow with Kakashi w/ sharingan activated.

Asuma may have some long distance jutsu, but the problem is still that Hidan is so retardly durable, it's not even worth talking about. The only option for Asuma to win would be by decapitation and it's not like cutting off someone's head is easy or anything. Destroy Hidan's scythe and he's still got those retractable pikes to throw/stab with.

Prior knowledge of Hidan's curse would make Asuma less cautious, but he's still outgunned. Hidan is just as fast/faster, has equally good taijutsu, and is more durable. I suppose Asuma could stand 500 feet away and spam shuriken and kunai, but I don't see this turning out much different than their manga battle.

[Gooba]

You can use that logic for ANY fight.

How would Konohamaru immobilize Orochimaru?

Cut off his head! :amuseI was using that logic to counter the idea that it is impossible for Asuma to do anything to Hidan that could stop him. Your example isn't fitting.

Even before he got cursed, Hidan was outmaneuvering Asuma. And despite how slow he claims to be, Hidan was still able to scratch Asuma. Hidan's speed isn't a joke, as he was able to go blow-for-blow with Kakashi w/ sharingan activated.

Asuma may have some long distance jutsu, but the problem is still that Hidan is so retardly durable, it's not even worth talking about. The only option for Asuma to win would be by decapitation and it's not like cutting off someone's head is easy or anything. Destroy Hidan's scythe and he's still got those retractable pikes to throw/stab with.

Prior knowledge of Hidan's curse would make Asuma less cautious, but he's still outgunned. Hidan is just as fast/faster, has equally good taijutsu, and is more durable. I suppose Asuma could stand 500 feet away and spam shuriken and kunai, but I don't see this turning out much different than their manga battle.Getting a scratch against an opponent who doesn't know getting scratched is fatal isn't that impressive. Asuma got a scratch on Kisame, one of Hidan's peers. If Asuma knew that he had to avoid it at all costs, and knew that destroying Hidan's weapon would give him such a huge advantage he would have fought differently. While his long range jutsus might not do to much to defeat Hidan, they would be good at destroying Hidan's weapon, which is all he needs. Then his chakra trench knives vs Hidan at close range would do him in.

[~Redchaos325~]

I would say Hidan would win again...

[Ghost_of_Gashir]

I was using that logic to counter the idea that it is impossible for Asuma to do anything to Hidan that could stop him. Your example isn't fitting.

Getting a scratch against an opponent who doesn't know getting scratched is fatal isn't that impressive. Asuma got a scratch on Kisame, one of Hidan's peers. If Asuma knew that he had to avoid it at all costs, and knew that destroying Hidan's weapon would give him such a huge advantage he would have fought differently. While his long range jutsus might not do to much to defeat Hidan, they would be good at destroying Hidan's weapon, which is all he needs. Then his chakra trench knives vs Hidan at close range would do him in.

It's not as if Asuma intentionally let himself get scratched. Hidan's weapon was so big, it was pretty much unavoidable. But that's probably why Asuma would need to fight from a distance with that knowledge. Even then, Hidan has the retractable rope for distance fighting as well, along with throwing pikes.

Asuma needs to go for dismemberment when infighting with Hidan, whether it be an arm, a leg, or decapitation in order to stop him as you and I have already stated. But that's way too risky when you're trying to avoid scratches. Even weaponless, Hidan can still grab at Asuma and bite him or something to that effect and still activate his jutsu and you're left with a stalemate where Asuma risks hurting himself.

Like I said before, Hidan has the retractable pikes that he uses to stab himself with if his scythe is gone, so he's not completely weapon-less. At close range, he's still in danger of getting stabbed/cut with one of those things if he gets close. Hidan's scythe as it is, appears to be very durable, since he can wield it while engulfed in Kakuzu's elemental jutsus. Asuma needs to cut the rope to the scythe and disarm Hidan completely like Shikamaru did, which is also not exactly a guarantee.

And of course, there's always the option that Hidan doesn't go for his curse jutsu at all and just decides to fight Asuma exclusively with his scythe. With a weapon of that size, Hidan's not the only one risking decapitation in a one-on-one fight.

[saintshinoda]

consider asuma throwing like 100 wind blades at hidan and rips all of his body out.. but then again, that might only give hidan an orgasm..

[Gooba]

It's not as if Asuma intentionally let himself get scratched. Hidan's weapon was so big, it was pretty much unavoidable. But that's probably why Asuma would need to fight from a distance with that knowledge. Even then, Hidan has the retractable rope for distance fighting as well, along with throwing pikes.I don't know why a big weapon makes it unavoidable... Also, while he might not have gotten scratched on purpose, he might not have been trying as hard as possible to keep from getting scratched. If you think a scratch is just a scratch you aren't going to go all out to avoid one, if you know it will kill you, you might jump a little faster, or react a little quicker. Plus, if he knew everything baout Hidan he would focus on the weapon more, planning his entire offence and defence around it. He wasn't trying to disable the weapon the first time they fought, he was trying to disable Hidan. If he knew he couldn't, he could have tried throwing a Kunai at the big low weapon to destroy it, or done a katon to burn it and the rope.

Asuma needs to go for dismemberment when infighting with Hidan, whether it be an arm, a leg, or decapitation in order to stop him as you and I have already stated. But that's way too risky when you're trying to avoid scratches. Even weaponless, Hidan can still grab at Asuma and bite him or something to that effect and still activate his jutsu and you're left with a stalemate where Asuma risks hurting himself.If Hidan tries to bite Asuma, he is going to get a whole lot cut off in the process, and thus be unable to use the curse for anything.

Like I said before, Hidan has the retractable pikes that he uses to stab himself with if his scythe is gone, so he's not completely weapon-less. At close range, he's still in danger of getting stabbed/cut with one of those things if he gets close. Hidan's scythe as it is, appears to be very durable, since he can wield it while engulfed in Kakuzu's elemental jutsus. Asuma needs to cut the rope to the scythe and disarm Hidan completely like Shikamaru did, which is also not exactly a guarantee. I agree, he needs to do that, like his student did. I bet he could.

And of course, there's always the option that Hidan doesn't go for his curse jutsu at all and just decides to fight Asuma exclusively with his scythe. With a weapon of that size, Hidan's not the only one risking decapitation in a one-on-one fight.Bigger does not equal better, usually it just makes it easier to block and avoid. Look how Asuma did against Kisame, who I bet is a lot better at using his Samehada than Hidan is at using his weapon, since Kisame's style is completely focused around it, and he is one of the famous Seven Swordsmen.

[Jio]

Asuma needs to go for dismemberment when infighting with Hidan, whether it be an arm, a leg, or decapitation in order to stop him as you and I have already stated. But that's way too risky when you're trying to avoid scratches. Even weaponless, Hidan can still grab at Asuma and bite him or something to that effect and still activate his jutsu and you're left with a stalemate where Asuma risks hurting himself.

Hidan also needs too draw enough blood from himself too draw the seal without his scythe it would take a lot longer too do. Asuma would have more than enough time too react and beat whilst he tries drawing the seal. If he does draw out the seal he is unable too cause damage fast enough too kill Asuma. All asuma would need too do is fly kick him out the circle and kick his head in.

If Asuma has knowledge of Hidan I don't see Hidan winning, not with his peformances anyway. He won against Asuma because he caught him by supprise and caused high damage too him during his moment of supprise.

[Feral]

Hidan's whole strategy relies on him drawing blood: I'd think even if his opponent knew about it, it would ultimately be difficult to stop. Sure, there would be no surprise and it would increase the difficulty, but if hes going to rely on this strategy to win, he must be pretty adept at executing it.

Shikamaru was almost a perfect opponent for him: Hidan is a short range fighter who relies heavily on his taijutsu. Shikamaru would defeat any short range fighter short of one who could open the gates up, as long as he could catch them with Kage Mane no jutsu. Also, immobility is Hidan's only weakness, because he can't be killed, he has to be physically restrained for an opponent to win.

Asuma doesn't have this advantage over Hidan, and ninjutsu spamming isn't going to get much done unless they can disable Hidan, which none of the ninjutsu I've seen is particularly good at doing (aside from a few Doton techniques, and Asuma's affinity is Fuuton). I don't think he's really a genjutsu user either, which is why him and Kurenai make a good team, so he can't really immobilize Hidan easily. He has to fall back on taijutsu to do it, and that is what Hidan wants, so I'd assume Asuma is at a disadvantage.

Hidan is impossible to kill, and Asuma's only way of immobilizing him is taijutsu, which leaves him open to death.

Unless he can find some smart way to immobilize Hidan using ninjutsu, I don't see Asuma winning.

[Jio]

Couldn't Asuma just cut the scythe? He could do it close range.

[Kiba Inuzuka]

it’s a one on one battle until one of them dies.

Hidan can not die, so this fight is impossible for Asuma to win.

[Shinji]

Yes he does, cutting off Hidan's head. It might not kill him but he can't do anything anymore.
I meant that he has no way to hold Hidan still, like shikamarus kagemane; it is less likely he would get his head chopped off when he has the ability to move.

[Feral]

Couldn't Asuma just cut the scythe? He could do it close range.

Scythe or no scythe, if he leaves any opening in his attack Hidan will most likely take advantage of it. Other people have mentioned other sharp objects he has. Asuma just shouldn't be taking the risk of taijutsu in this, however good he is, he can't afford to even get a SCRATCH. That means he can't block without risking a cut, he has to dodge only, AND decapitate Hidan?

I don't know if he could do it.

[Shinji]

so true really Asuma should not try to block in this fight he has to dodge; or the same thing will happen: Hidan throws Kunai, Asuma blocks, Hidan throws scythe hits Asumas face. All while doing a backflip lol.

[Redux-shika boo]

In the first fight each side had outside help. Asuma chopped off Hidan's head, and Hidan would have lost then if not for Kakuzu stitching it back on. Sure, Asuma might not have been able to officially kill him, but he could have dug a few big holes and buried Hidan's body parts in seperate ones. He would have effectively be dead.

But, we also have to consider Asuma had help as well. Shika held Hidan in place which allowed Asuma to chop his head off. Then Shika also helped by telling Asuma about Hidan's tricks.

I think that if Asuma knew everything about Hidan, he would be able to adapt for a long distance fight. We have barely seen anything out of Asuma, and even the little we saw had 2 impressive distance attacks. He could use the Katon and throws to trick Hidan into trying to get some blood at range, and then disable his weapon since it is big and slow. Then he could get in close, and as we have seen he can go toe to toe with a taijutsu based Akatsuki. He cut Kisame, and the only reason he got damaged at all was due to ignorance of the Samehada's shark teeth.

I think Asuma disable's Hidan's weapon, then gets in close and Hidan loses his head again.

Asuma really has no need to go at it long range against Hidan... and based off the type of fighter he seems to be I think he's better at close range.

1-Hidan seems to be a bit slower then Asuma, not by much, but a bit.
2-Hidan's scythe and other weapons wouldn't be useful if Asuma can cut threw them, which I'm pretty sure he could. Why? Well, Asuma cut threw the mini sword already.
3-Asuma would have dual long sword chakra blades at close range, and I think could better use his swords then Hidan can his weapons. Plus, he should have a taijutsu advantage.

On Kisame, I remember Asuma got hurt because Kisame had more physical strength and that Asuma got overpowered.

[Jio]

Scythe or no scythe, if he leaves any opening in his attack Hidan will most likely take advantage of it. Other people have mentioned other sharp objects he has. Asuma just shouldn't be taking the risk of taijutsu in this, however good he is, he can't afford to even get a SCRATCH. That means he can't block without risking a cut, he has to dodge only, AND decapitate Hidan?

I don't know if he could do it.

If Hidan doesn't have the scythe it makes it harder too draw blood from himself and paint out the seal. Even if he draws Asumas blood the threat decreases as it would become harder for Hidan too do fatal damages too himself..

[Jio]

Scythe or no scythe, if he leaves any opening in his attack Hidan will most likely take advantage of it. Other people have mentioned other sharp objects he has. Asuma just shouldn't be taking the risk of taijutsu in this, however good he is, he can't afford to even get a SCRATCH. That means he can't block without risking a cut, he has to dodge only, AND decapitate Hidan?

I don't know if he could do it.

If Hidan doesn't have the scythe it makes it harder too draw blood from himself and paint out the seal. Even if he draws Asumas blood the threat decreases as it would become harder for Hidan too do fatal damages too himself..

[Kaiji]

hidan 4 me

[Asuma: Konoha's Blade]

the only reason asuma was cut was because he had two giant kunai and a giant sythe all thrown at him at the same time. I think a close range specialist blocking 2 out of three weapons from mid range and only getting a tiny cut from the third is impressive, and shows asuma can take this. All Asuma has to worry about is the sythe (unless hidan has other jutsu, but hell he would know about that too), which he can break, and avoid. Give Asuma some credit. He would do better if Izumo and Kotetsu weren't there and fine without shikamaru, even tho i love them all. Asuma takes this with relatively little challenge.

[Shinji]

the only reason asuma was cut was because he had two giant kunai and a giant sythe all thrown at him at the same time. I think a close range specialist blocking 2 out of three weapons from mid range and only getting a tiny cut from the third. All Asuma has to worry about is the sythe (unless hidan has other jutsu, but hell he would know about that too), which he can break, and avoid. Give Asuma some credit. He would do better if Izumo and Kotetsu weren't there and fine without shikamaru, even tho i love them all. Asuma takes this with relatively little challenge.

He only had one Kunai thrown at him and he choose to block that and then couldn't block Hidans scythe. I don't think it was a giant kunai but I will check. Asuma would have had no chance against Hidan, without shikamaru he came up with the plan and he was the only one who was able to immobilize Hidan, or Hidan would have killed him much earlier. Hidan was basically 2vs1 he was hitting Asuma and at the same time he was dodging the kagemane. Really Asuma has no ability to immobilize Hidan so he can cut his head off, he really has no chance.

[Mibu Clan]

Hidan wins...

Lets not forget that getting close to Hidan is EXTREMELY dangerous, so he might resort to Long Range Ninjutsu, to which Hidan is invulnerable as shown when Kakuzu hit him with one of his Jutsu.

And should Asuma go Long range on him, he has his Scythe that attacks at long range as well...

Really, Asuma would be fucked either way.

[hyuuga_neji14732]

Hidan would still win he is just to strong

[materpillar]

Actually i think hidan would get owned. All Asuma really needs to do is disable the scythe and hidan is screwed. If the scythe is gone and asuma gets in hidan's face and say worst comes to worst hidan gets a scratch on asuma. What is Asuma going to do back off and wait for hidan to 1) drink his blood, 2) draw a circle then 3)stab himself? With asuma still in hidan's face even with a cut hidan won't have time to prepare his curse and asuma knows if he does he is screwed. Also, Asuma could probably slice through the little pikes or scythe. This leaves hidan with little defense against decapitation. Asuma would then then go through chopping him into little pieces until we find out what kills hidan.

[Shinji]

Actually i think hidan would get owned. All Asuma really needs to do is disable the scythe and hidan is screwed. If the scythe is gone and asuma gets in hidan's face and say worst comes to worst hidan gets a scratch on asuma. What is Asuma going to do back off and wait for hidan to 1) drink his blood, 2) draw a circle then 3)stab himself? With asuma still in hidan's face even with a cut hidan won't have time to prepare his curse and asuma knows if he does he is screwed. Also, Asuma could probably slice through the little pikes or scythe. This leaves hidan with little defense against decapitation. Asuma would then then go through chopping him into little pieces until we find out what kills hidan.
Easier said then done.

[materpillar]

hmm...good point, but i think asuma is capable

[Asuma: Konoha's Blade]

He only had one Kunai thrown at him and he choose to block that and then couldn't block Hidans scythe. I don't think it was a giant kunai but I will check. Asuma would have had no chance against Hidan, without shikamaru he came up with the plan and he was the only one who was able to immobilize Hidan, or Hidan would have killed him much earlier. Hidan was basically 2vs1 he was hitting Asuma and at the same time he was dodging the kagemane. Really Asuma has no ability to immobilize Hidan so he can cut his head off, he really has no chance.

Knowing everything about Hidan is a monstrous advantage, considering Hidan relies on that one seemingly harmless scratch, one that takes away the nescesarity of Shikamaru. Also, Hidan threw both Kotetsu and Izumo's massive kunai in that fight, The first throw was unclear because it was two dashes at eachother, and the second was easily cut in half. Also you sound as if Asuma doesnt learn from his mistakes, which is clearly shown in his fight with Kisame.

After Asuma was overpowered and scratched by Kisame he knew he couldn't keep up with Kisame's arm strength and knew blocking was impossible. Then he showed his ability to dodge and gained the upperhand in the fight with his superb taijutsu. This is an example of how this fight goes.

Asuma runs at Hidan, who not having to dodge anything throws his sythe with mastery at Asuma who cautiously dodges. Asuma jumps in the air really high like with the fight with the nine sound nins, and Hidan couldn't do shit since his heavy three bladed scythe can't ignore physics. As Asuma comes down there goes Hidan's head. Hidan is now fucked.

Oh and you said it was like 2 on 1 with Asuma and Shikamaru attacking Hidan simultaneously. Well for the second half of the fight Shikamaru was at his limit and Kakuzu saved Hidan's ass and punched Asuma in the face cheaply while he was off guard. I think there's a differance between having a 15 year old chuunin helping you and an imortal hundred-something year old elite Akatsuki helping you.

[materpillar]

Asuma runs at Hidan, who not having to dodge anything throws his sythe with mastery at Asuma who cautiously dodges. Asuma jumps in the air really high like with the fight with the nine sound nins, and Hidan couldn't do shit since his heavy three bladed scythe can't ignore physics. As Asuma comes down there goes Hidan's head. Hidan is now fucked.


although i think asuma wins, he doesn't just walk up and hand hidan his ass like that! I think a bit more dodging and slicing would take place. Hidan isn't gonna just stand still and let his head fall off. Maybe you should have mentioned slicing through a parry or something...

[10InchPianist]

Like others have said, Asuma knows that he has to disable Hidan's scythe. Then he has to get close and decapitate him, and he can. Even if the pikes do get him a little, he won't just back away. I'm pretty sure Asuma would be willing to risk a little injury to decapitate Hidan. Leaving him with no time to do the ritual.

[Amekage]

Asuma had a whole squad of chunin with him and still died. however, any of these hypothetical battles involving Hidan neglect the fact that we have seen next to nothing of what he can do.

from what we have seen, though, Hidan relies on his pike as much as he does his scythe and Asuma relies primarilly on flying swallow, a taijutsu move, and isn't a genius with a prepared trap.

[Asuma: Konoha's Blade]

although i think asuma wins, he doesn't just walk up and hand hidan his ass like that! I think a bit more dodging and slicing would take place. Hidan isn't gonna just stand still and let his head fall off. Maybe you should have mentioned slicing through a parry or something...

Lol well if we're talking about the Hidan that fought Shikamaru then Asuma hands him his ass on a platter. If its the impressive Hidan from the first fight then Asuma has a bit of difficulty.

[drakt]

i think hidan is seriously handicapped in this fight, his true power really is people not knowing about his ability, comparing fights against people who dont know and then the same people again, but knowing this time, changes things very drastically, as he could beat almost anyone as alot of people would not veiw a scratch of blood as a bad thing, especially if hidan left himself open so they would get a vital wound on hidan in return for the blood.
of course this means nothing to hidan and then he wins.

that being said, i dont think asuma would win even with the knowledge, unless he has more longrange jutsu's we havent seen, his taijutsu isnt up to the job of dealing with hidan.

[Amekage]

the only fight he had against someone who knew his ability was Shikamaru, and he lured him onto a field of exploding tags above a "bottomless" pit in addition to having a vial of Kakuzu's blood to trick him.

[The Pink Ninja]

Gah, all these Hidan underestimating, Asuma loving dreamers.

Beard do not make you cool. Smoking certainly doesn't. Live with it because he can't.

[10InchPianist]

Gah, all these Hidan underestimating, Asuma loving dreamers.

Beard do not make you cool. Smoking certainly doesn't. Live with it because he can't.

Huh?!? So a beard DOESN'T make you cool?!? Neither does smoking?!? Wow! In that case, I've changed my mind completely, Asuma doesn't stand a chance.

(And just for your information, having a beard and smoking DOES make you cool:wink )

[materpillar]

Actually I like hidan more than asuma, but i know he would still loose...
back on topic...

I agree hidan is really handicapped and Asuma's Taijutsu isn't top job.

Asumas weapons on the other hand more than make up for this. They're easier to use, can slice through other weapons, and he has two of them. Hidan has a big scythe he can throw and some pike things. I'm assuming here that Asuma could slice through those little pikes of hidan's and more than likely the scythe. If not the scythe than its rope, this leaves hidan with little defense other than dodging and he probably isn't much faster than Asuma. Also as said before, asuma's weapons make it very hard to block (due to weapon slicing ability) so hidan can only dodge.

All Hidan really has is one-hit kill, the curse, without that he can't really do much as he is used to using mainly that against good ninja. Asuma knows how the curse works. Again, the main problem would be taking a scratch before getting up close. This would give hidan time to prepare the curse. and screw asuma over. When asuma gets up close though, the scythe will be big and hard to use (assuming asuma didn't slice it up already) and the pikes were never that good.

Asuma close can take a scratch and again walk away unharmed, as long as he can keep hidan occupied so hidan can't again drink his blood, draw a circle and get stabbed. Many of you sound like if you get scratched you just die, right away. And it takes at least 5 seconds, time the asuma won't let hidan get.

So to win the fight asuma needs to 1) not get hit early
2) if in the event of getting hit, not let hidan run to a safe distance
3) chop off some limbs

Fight - Asuma takes hit earlier and dies
Asuma trips after taking a hit and hidan can curse him
or Hidan gets chopped up

he needs not long distance so stop saying it

[PDQ]

Old thread but after considering everything after thinking about Hidan in the Hidan/Kakuzu vs Jounin overkill fight and reviewing the past fight, I've realized that Asuma definitely has a much better chance of winning than Hidan.

Knowledge can go far beyond just avoiding scratches, knowing how the curse works means that he also knows a scratch isn't the only condition for losing(although it is a big one).

Furthermore, there's two other key factors to this fight. One, Kakuzu isn't around, meaning that he can go all out without worrying about being attacked from behind or his teammates being attacked and can take more damage without worrying about having to face Kakuzu directly after. Two, Hidan doesn't have the extra daggers in his sides left behind. Those things were used against him twice, and one time was critical to getting a scratch.

Hidan's defense - He's been should to be very acrobatic in his dodging, but how he would fare against Asuma in close range hasn't been very well established. The only things he really did against Asuma were from a distance. He blocked shuriken, but that's not that impressive. In close range, the one time they clashed, Hidan had the chuunin giant daggers to block with and ended up getting those slashed apart instead of his scythe. In close range, acrobatics wouldn't do as much good as he can't move around in midair as easily with someone right there since they can't change direction once in midair, except if he used his scythe to grab the ground but that would leave his hand open to being cut off and having the scythe taken away.

Asuma's defense - Asuma could play this a few ways. For one thing, Hidan no longer has the two extra weapons left behind by Asuma's negligent teammates to throw around. He's been shown fast enough to dodge attacks from Hidan when he's not distracted from the other side and even when he is, he can block attacks, and likely would be more likely to try harder to avoid being scratched. Furthermore, he could take advantage of the curse's three other needs, to lick the blood, to make the circle, and to be in the circle. If he gets in close range, even if Hidan can get the blood, it'd be hard to bring it up to his mouth to lick it without Hidan at the same time cutting his head off. By staying in close range, drawing a circle would also be nearly impossible. Finally, by standing near him, he can't take out his legs, allowing him to simply KICK Hidan out of the circle and wiping it off. Furthermore, if trouble arises and Hidan makes the circle before he can get to him, he can simply run outside the range of Hidan's scythe-rope. That would force Hidan to leave the circle so he can't immediately use it, allowing Asuma to take advantage of the time to either try to get rid of the circle or prevent Hidan from running back to it.

Asuma's offense - By staying close and eliminating Hidan's ability to avoid or make attacks, he can take bigger risks in getting scratches if he can simply decapitate Hidan before the curse is complete. He wouldn't waste chakra on Katon and instead immediately use his extended blades.

[durtycheese]

hidan wins pretty easily. its a fight and asuma is a close range fighter.

[Roland]

Wow...Old thread. Despite popular believe, I think if Asuma had knowledge of Hidan's abilties, Hidan would lose this match. Without his secret immortallity, Hidan isn't much. It is arguable whether or not any jounin from Konoha could take him on in a one on one fight if they had knowledge. In my personal opinion, I'd think Asuma's Hein would simply be too much for Hidan to handle and he would end up losing an arm or his head, thus ending the fight since Kakazu isn't there to back him up or put him back together.

[Itachi's Apprentice 3]

Asuma gets killed all over again. Even with Shikas help he still died last time. By himself he is doomed even faster.

[DmonkeyD]

hidan,again.:nuts

[Cyphon]

I think with knowledge Asuma could pull it off, but it would be a very tough fight.

[Mibu Clan]

Hidan's defense - He's been should to be very acrobatic in his dodging, but how he would fare against Asuma in close range hasn't been very well established. The only things he really did against Asuma were from a distance. He blocked shuriken, but that's not that impressive. In close range, the one time they clashed, Hidan had the chuunin giant daggers to block with and ended up getting those slashed apart instead of his scythe. In close range, acrobatics wouldn't do as much good as he can't move around in midair as easily with someone right there since they can't change direction once in midair, except if he used his scythe to grab the ground but that would leave his hand open to being cut off and having the scythe taken away.
It's been established that Sharingan Kakashi couldn't even scratch him, and that's with better taijutsu, predicting eyes and superior speed compared to Asuma.

Asuma's chances get bigger, but in is likely to get killed again.

[Lelouch Vi Britannia]

i think Hidan would win

[Grimmjowsensei]

I've re read the fight and I am inclined to say Hidan dominates. He is far better than Asuma in close combat, his scythe can be used both in close and long range and I doubt Asuma can last long without getting his blood taken.

[Munboy Dracule O'Brian]

Asuma makes his wind blade longer and slices Hidan's head off, then takes a dump on it.

[maximilyan]

If asuma knows this i think he'd come out the victor. hidan's only saving grace is his secret. he's more or less useless otherwise.

[PDQ]

It's been established that Sharingan Kakashi couldn't even scratch him, and that's with better taijutsu, predicting eyes and superior speed compared to Asuma.


Er, it's been established that a scratch or even a direct shot to the vitals or anything short of decapitation wouldn't be worth attempting for Kakashi against Hidan...and even that isn't necessarily enough with Kakuzu there.

What has also been established is that Kakashi, despite being double teamed, attacked from behind, defending with a kunai against a giant 3 bladed scythe, against an immortal who could effectively kill him if he got scratched, wasn't scratched once in their two skirmishes.

If one person can survive decapitation and the other can't afford getting a scratch get into a skirmish and the one who can't afford to get a scratch survives, the loser is the immortal.

If he can't scratch someone defending with a kunai with a teammate, how's he going to do so on his own against someone with effectively a sword that can cut through metal with ease(likely including his scythe)?