Sasori and Kakuzu vs. Shodai Hokage and Sandaime Kazekage

[MasamuneX7]

The fight starts with Sasori vs Shodai Hokage and Kakuzu vs Sandaime Kazekage.

Instead of the Sandaime Kazekage puppet, Sasori has a puppet of Gaara, pre-extraction.

[Kyon]

Why does it have to start like that? Does Sasori have the Sandaime Kazekage puppet?

Kakuzu eats Sandaime Kazekage and Sasori would kill Shodai eventually. However, if this was an actual 2v2 fight, Shodai and SandaimeK would take this with a bit of difficulty.

[OSTIKS]

An epic battle but the Kages come through, if its 2 on 2 then they take it twice as fast.

[Spell]

Information about Shodai is pretty restricted. Does Sasori have Sandaime Kazekage's puppet?

[MasamuneX7]

Sasori has pre-extraction Gaara's puppet.

[Dorfmeister]

I hold Kakuzu and Sasori in high regards, but Shodai and Sandaime Hokage are just too much for these two guys. It would be one hell of a battle, but the Konoha duo would be victoreous, although at the cost of a lot of chakra and a lot of physical damage.

[Orga777]

Well, I am going with Akatsuki. Kakuzu is perfect to go against the Iron Sand. He has his lightning that is better than earth, and he has his Iron Skin to protect him. And if he needs it, he has his Katon's and Fuuton's if he needs them along with all the tentacles.

Sasori would own Shodai. Shodai would have problems with any of the puppets Sasori has, including Hiroku. Not to mention his 100 puppet army and a Gaara puppet. Even if this was 2v2, Akatsuki still holds all the cards. Especially since Sasori killed the Sandaime Kazekage before, and Kakuzu fought Shodai before.

[Rokurai]

Dorfmeister, it's Sandaime Kazekage, not Sandaime Hokage.


I know absolutely nothing about Kazekages, so I don't know.

[Grrblt]

Assuming Shodai Hokage can't use his bijuu control powers to turn the Gaara puppet against Sasori, I'd be leaning against some form of tie here with a slight advantage for Akatsuki. Because they already defeated one of their opponents and tied (both Kakuzu and Shodai survived) the other.

However, if Shodai can use Gaara, team Hokage win with ease.

[Sasori]

In Sasori vs Shodai threads, Sasori usually wins.

And as we know, he has alreadii beaten Sandaime Kazekage.

I don't see what the significance of "pre-extraction" is in terms of Gaara, as I don't think it would grant the same kind of powers to something dead, as it did with when Gaara was alive.

I'm guessing that the bijuu is somehow connected to the lifeforce of the host, seeing as how Kyuubi seems to be so scared of Naruto dying.

If this is the case, then a hitokugutsu Gaara by definition is dead, and therefore is his bijuu.

[TreeofSephri]

No offense but this is a bad battle. First of all Shodai and Sandaime have to contend with a multitude of powerful puppets filled to the brim with traps that have poison covered weapons. Not only that but you have given Sasori a Gaara puppet. Then to make this battle more hopeless you have added Kakuzu and his S rank Jutsu ghost. I am sorry but Shodai and Sandaime lose this battle. Satetsu might destroy a couple of puppets but this battle requires a almost flawless performance against two extremely powerful nin.

[durtycheese]

we dont know much about the shodai but ill go with the akatsuki, sasori and kakuzu have shown they are some of the strongest ninjas in naruto.

[Spell]

Sasori has pre-extraction Gaara's puppet.
That makes this fight very interesting. However it's going to be full of assumption too.

First: We don't know if Gaara's puppet includes Shukaku. Puppet is a dead man, and biju is supposed to die with a jinchuuriki. In that case it is doubtfull Gaara's puppet is ablr to use Shukaku's puppet. But if he is there is the second problem:

Can Shodai control Shukaku inside Gaara when he is a puppet? Probably yes, but I still doubt bijuu would survive Gaara's death.

[Grrblt]

That makes this fight very interesting. However it's going to be full of assumption too.

First: We don't know if Gaara's puppet includes Shukaku. Puppet is a dead man, and biju is supposed to die with a jinchuuriki. In that case it is doubtfull Gaara's puppet is ablr to use Shukaku's puppet. But if he is there is the second problem:

Can Shodai control Shukaku inside Gaara when he is a puppet? Probably yes, but I still doubt bijuu would survive Gaara's death.

I think the general idea here is that Sasori controls a puppet does exactly what Gaara does. Bijuu shield included, Shodai's control not a factor.

[Spell]

I think the general idea here is that Sasori controls a puppet does exactly what Gaara does. Bijuu shield included, Shodai's control not a factor.
Yes, that's probably it. However it would be most likely a little inconsistent with manga facts.

[TreeofSephri]

Given what we have seen from Shodai and Sandaime they will not survive this fight pure and simple.

[Mangekyo Bankai]

Sasori's 100 puppets took down a whole country once. Thats pretty hardcore. Those 4 (assuming the once mask is still broken by Kakashi) Elemental tentacle things are pretty sick too because they use the strongest attacks of their respective elements. And Gaara is included too (bijuu or not)?! This seems a little one sided, especially since Sandaime Kazekage already lost to Sasori. Akatsuki FTW.

[hyuuga_neji14732]

Kages would win

[akatsuki8]

i would have to say the kages

[Gspot]

wait... something's wrong. Am I missing something?

In recent chapters where Madara is storytelling, Shodaime hokage is depicted as so overwhelmingly powerful, he is quite possibly the strongest and greatest ninja that ever lived. We don't know much about his fighting style, but he could do things like defeat Madara and "build" Konoha. His legendary Mokuton ninjutsu, unlike most elemental ninjustu, seems godly. We saw edo-tensei Shodaime catch Sandaime with it, and Yamato use mokuton moves really effectively - and these two are supposedly weaker than the real Shodaime, who could even control bijuu with it.

I seem to think that Shodaime could defeat Sasori and Kakuzu by himself, and maybe even if Sandaime Kazekage joined the Akatsuki team.

[Itachi's Apprentice 3]

Since Sasori has a puppet Gaara he has access to all of Gaara's powers not to mention all other abilities/ puppets that he revealed(excluding Sandaime). Somehow or another in the past Sasori was able to kill Sandaime plus Sasori must already have a through analysis of his abilities so Sandaime has no chance. Sasori and Kakuzu together would pretty much be to much for Shodai to handle. So I give the edge to Sasori and Kakuzu.

[Hibari Kyoya]

Well we know

Kakuzu fought Shodai and lived to tell the tale, i presume he didn't win by the way he said it.

We know that SAsori beat the Kazekage.

So it really depends on Shodai vs Sasori think its a close one.

[G-Man]

Tons of assumptions here.

Everybody assumes that Sasori beat the Sandaime Kazekage straight up, which makes no sense at all.

Not only would the Sandaime Kazekage have a huge advantage as his magnetic chakra would render most of Sasori's weapons obsolete (the puppets may be some type of wood, but most of the actual poisoned weapons are metal), but to top it all off, it was said the 3rd Kazekage was "disappeared, and was assumed kidnapped by an unknown assailant", not "he was beaten down in some epic battle that would have surely drawn the attention fo the entire village".

No way Sasori beat him in straight up fight with no one noticing, not with the collateral damage his Iron Sand techs cause. More likely Sasori ambushed him somewhere isolated before he could put up any kind of a real fight.

People also assume that Kakuzu put up some big fight against Shodai. This makes no sense given what we know of the Shodai now. Not with the pitiful performance Kakuzu put up in the Immortals Arc. I mean pitiful in comparison to what we know of Shodai now.

Kakuzu was a beast to be sure, but if he could actually fight Shodai as a near equal (or at least ahve put up a big fight) he should have demolished Kakashi and Team 10 in seconds as he should be near Madara's level, which we know he wasn't.

Either Kakuzu fought Hashirama much earlier in Hashirama's career back when Hashirama was much weaker, or he got demolished and left for dead (Shodai seems to have a bad habit of not making sure the enemy is really gone).

Those are the only explanations that make any sense.

That said, Hashirama probably solos the both of them.

Why anyone would think Sasori stands any chance in hell against Shodai is beyond me.

Opening bell, Shodai makes an entire damn forest that comes alive and attacks Kakuzu and Sasori from every conceivable angle.

Sasori ain't no speed demon so he won't be dodging for long, and Kakuzu's water and earth masks are likely trumped by Mokuton. His wind masks won't be as effective either.

[Dakota]

Sasori beat the third Kazekage with Orochimaru help :edu.

[G-Man]

Sasori beat the third Kazekage with Orochimaru help :edu.

The 3rd Kazekage disappeared years before Orochimaru even left the Leaf village didn't he?

[Grimmjowsensei]

In before trash

Senju Hashirama Solos

[Munboy Dracule O'Brian]

Hashirama solos.

[Dakota]

The 3rd Kazekage disappeared years before Orochimaru even left the Leaf village didn't he?

Sandaime Kazekage disappeared 10 years+ post timeskip.
Orochimaru left Akatsuki 7 years ago pre-timeskip.

He would of been partnered with Orochimaru.
"Indeed we did many things.." says Sasori when questioned about Sandaime Kazekage.

[Gspot]

Right... I feel like Shoidaime would dominate Sasori & Kakuzu, and still dominate even if sandaime kazekage tried to backstab him and joined the Akatsuki team.

[DmonkeyD]

sasori beats sandaime with mid difficulty by this point.but shodai could take kakuzu with mid-much difficulty.idk who'd win.:huh-ill lean towards the akatsuki.but i voted for the kages cuz i thought it said sandaime HOkage.

[LiveFire]

Does Shodai have a bjiuu with him? I'd say kages would still stomp with minor difficulty. Kakuzu vs Sandaime would be interesting, seeing how Kakuzu has so many elements. Kakuzu might beat Sandaime kazekage, but even so Shodai would stomp Sasori and Kakuzu by himself.

[Roland]

Adding in Shodai makes this a one sided fight if we go by the reputation the man has. Unless we see more of his power we know nothing of Shodai's actually abilities as well as Sandaime Kazekage's actual ability to use the Iron Sand techniques. Did they surpass Sasori's use of them or were they about the same level? Can Shodai control the Bijuu puppet that Sasori will be using through suppression? Too many unknowns. This should have never been brought back.

[Nikushimi]

Sasori was already stronger than Sandaime Kazekage to begin with, like 10 years ago, and since then has made numerous upgrades and gained untold numbers of puppets. He would have little trouble rubbing Sandaime Kazekage's face in the sand, and would probably have enough steam left over to put a decent dent in Shodai's arsenal.

With Kakuzu's help, the Akatsuki team wins, rather easily too.

[Axl Low]

I think the Shadows take this.

[wiesmann]

This is a horible stomp in Shodai's favor :dupe

[Marluxia]

Rapestomp for Shodai and Kazekage. :zaru

[Sabakukyu]

Sasori was already stronger than Sandaime Kazekage to begin with, like 10 years ago, and since then has made numerous upgrades and gained untold numbers of puppets. He would have little trouble rubbing Sandaime Kazekage's face in the sand, and would probably have enough steam left over to put a decent dent in Shodai's arsenal.

With Kakuzu's help, the Akatsuki team wins, rather easily too.

Sasori stronger than the Third Kazekage? Are you kidding me? His grandmother said that Sasori never changed in 20 years, that means that he was brat of 10 years old, who probably poisoned the Kazekage. Hell no that a child would beat the greatest shinobi of a village.

Shodai solos this.

[RasenShuriken88]

Kages take this with some difficulty

[Tenjin]

Sasori imo takes this , since 3rd > Shodai .

[ThoraxeRMG]

Shodai Hokage and Sandaime Kazekage stomp. :beardthing

[Nikushimi]

Sasori stronger than the Third Kazekage? Are you kidding me? His grandmother said that Sasori never changed in 20 years, that means that he was brat of 10 years old, who probably poisoned the Kazekage. Hell no that a child would beat the greatest shinobi of a village.

Shodai solos this.

Way to low a statement completely out of context. She was referring to age.

She also stated that his skillz hadn't declined one bit, and Sasori himself stated that he had made numerous improvements. Sasori killed Sandaime Kazekage; he snuck into the village, killed his ass, and dragged him away. The next day, Baki was all "WHERE'S DA KAZEKAGE?" and the elders were like "I DUNNO LOL. :dupe"

Epic overestimation of Shodai, btw. I'm talking to almost all of you guys. Srsly, the dude beat Madara because of an epic Bijuu Falcon Brawl and anti-Sharingan Gamesharking. There's no way he can handle these Akatsuki guys, even individually.

[BAD BD]

Giant trees pop out of ground and crush the Akatsuki.

gg

[Nikushimi]

Giant trees pop out of ground and crush the Akatsuki.

gg

Kakuzu mows them down like a human freight train, while Sasori carves them into moar puppets. Shodai and Sandaime Kazekage then get raped by a super-high-speed combo w/ a hundred puppets plus elemental blasting.

:zaru

[Hollow'd Heart]

Shodai solos with the Bringer of Darkness Genjutsu.

[Distracted]

We don't know enough about Shodai and Sandaime (Hokage and kazekage)

and this shouldn't have been necro'd. Locking.