kids addicted to santa clause...

[Naruto514]

is it good to make santa as our modern day idolatry? i mean most kids from ages 4-9 send letters to santa as much as they pray to God... they even pray to santa... id rather steal a bike and ask God for forgiveness rather than pray to santa so that he'd give me a bike.

damn santa!


hey guys did u know that some of my classmates think santa clause is a god?O_o *stabs santa in his oversized bellybutton and gets the knife stuck (idk if hell ever get it out)*

[Love Mitarashi Anko]

But.. he IS a god. God of Christmas =P XD haha XD

[Naruto514]

actuallly hes just a saint bringing presents and coal to everyone XD

[Doggie]

There is more evidence for santa's existence than for gods(in a christian sense)existence. Really puts things in perspective.

[JeffStudios]

is it good to make santa as our modern day idolatry? i mean most kids from ages 4-9 send letters to santa as much as they pray to God... they even pray to santa... id rather steal a bike and ask God for forgiveness rather than pray to santa so that he'd give me a bike.

damn santa!



Just wait a couple of years, they'll figure out there religion is a hoax.

Wheres your god now!?

[Naruto514]

its called faith.... sure we doubt a couple of times but without religion what are you? an empty human being without purpose? we need to believe that there is somebody out there watching over us....

[Doggie]

You lack.....hatred

No but seriously, an empty human being, I find that offensive.

[Bass]

Nobody should idolize such an evil man. :nod

S A N T A
S A T A N

[Kira Yamato]

Nobody should idolize such an evil man. :nod

S A N T A
S A T A N

My parents told me the same thing at the tender age of 7. That was one life changing Christmas :oh

[Bass]

My parents told me the same thing at the tender age of 7. That was one life changing Christmas :oh

Well....both of them do wear red.

[kewlmyc]

Nobody should idolize such an evil man. :nod

S A N T A
S A T A N

That's messed up.:oh

[Naruto514]

You lack.....hatred

No but seriously, an empty human being, I find that offensive.


really depends on your belief... sorry if i have offended u

@bass
same with me

@k y
same with me too!

[Naruto514]

is that an insult? really i have no idea

[sj2k]

Well, first I would say you sound like you are very religouse. If that is the case, I can see why you don't like santa. Santa is not for the hard core religouse IMO. But for everyone else it is fine. honestly, if someone thinks santa is god, thats fine with me. Its possible.

I mean, I can think of nothing wrong with santa what so ever.

In fact, I think the whole thing is summed up well by south park.

The episode where santa and jesus fight about he meaning of xmas? lol, that is a great one.

I mean, religion is a way of life for some people, on teh other end there are people, people who are just as good, who think of religion as a disease, an infection. I don't think it is good or bad by itself, it all depends on how people use it.

If a belief in god and at that jazz makes you a better happier person, go for it. If it doesn't, no big deal.

sure we doubt a couple of times but without religion what are you? an empty human being without purpose? we need to believe that there is somebody out there watching over us....

this makes me see why you don't like santa. I am guessing, feel free to correct me if I am wrong, that you don't like how santa takes away from jesus and god etc. and how people confuse the two. And if you assume your religion is right then I guess you have a point.

But if we take the view that we don't what religion is right, if there is even a correct religion, than I don't think it is a problem at all.

Though this does give me an excuse to share a funny story.

SANTA CLAUS: An Engineer's Perspective

I.

There are approximately two billion children (persons under 18)in the
world. However, since Santa does not visit children of Muslim, Hindu,
Jewish or Buddhist religions, this reduces the workload for Christmas
night to 15% of the total, or 378 million (according to the Population
Reference Bureau). At an average(census) rate of 3.5 children per house
hold, that comes to 108 million homes, presuming that there is at least
one good child in each.

II.

Santa has about 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the
different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels
east to west(which seems logical). This works out to 967.7 visits per
second. This is to say that for each Christian household with a good
child, Santa has around 1/1000th of a second to park the sleigh, hop out,
jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining
presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left for him, get
back up the chimney, jump into the sleigh and get on to the next house.


Assuming that each of these 108 million stops is evenly distributed around
the earth (which, of course, we know to be false, but will accept for the
purposes of our calculations), we are now talking about 0.78 miles per
household; a total trip of 75.5 million miles, not counting bathroom stops
or breaks. This means Santa's sleigh is moving at 650 miles per
second--3,000 times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the
fastest man-made vehicle, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky 27.4
miles per second, and a conventional reindeer can run (at best) 15 miles
per hour.

III.

The payload of the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming that
each child gets nothing more than a medium sized Lego set (two pounds),
the sleigh is carrying over 500 thousand tons, not counting Santa himself.

On land, a conventional reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even
granting that the "flying" reindeer could pull ten times the normal
amount, the job can't be done with eight or even nine of them--Santa would
need 360,000 of them. This increases the payload, not counting the weight
of the sleigh, another 54,000 tons, or roughly seven times the weight of
the Queen Elizabeth (the ship, not the monarch).

IV.

600,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air
resistance--this would heat up the reindeer in the same fashion as a
spacecraft re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair of reindeer
would absorb 14.3 quintillion joules of energy per second each. In short,
they would burst into flames almost instantaneously, exposing the reindeer
behind them and creating deafening sonic booms in their wake.

The entire reindeer team would be vaporized within 4.26 thousandths of a
second, or right about the time Santa reached the fifth house on his trip.
Not that it matters, however, since Santa, as a result of accelerating
from a dead stop to 650 m.p.s. in .001 seconds, would be subjected to
centrifugal forces of 17,500 g's. A 250 pound Santa (which seems
ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of the sleigh by 4,315,015
pounds of force, instantly crushing his bones and organs and reducing him
to a quivering blob of pink goo.

V.

Therefore, if Santa did exist, he's dead now.

While I would never do this, I am not evil, it is tempting. What if you showed this to younger kdis, and explained to them that santa is now dead :laugh it is sick, twisted, and could scar them for life, so I would never do it, but it would also be really funny.

Edit: Honestly though, I can't see why this any worse than teaching kids that god exists. I mean, some people, like the OP, seem just as addicted to god as other kids are to santa. We can't really prove either exists or doesn't, though if santa has to follow the laws of physics I think he is a dead man :laugh

[Firedraconian]

its called faith.... sure we doubt a couple of times but without religion what are you? an empty human being without purpose? we need to believe that there is somebody out there watching over us....

I'm curious how you consider your faith to be different from the faith of children who write to Santa. Seems a tad... hypocritical to me.

And as one of those 'empty human beings without purpose', I would like to point out that I am neither empty nor purposeless. Faithless, perhaps.

And while you apparently need to believe in someone watching you all the time (He sees you when you're sleeping, he knows when you're awake...), obviously not everyone does. Generalizations are bad, mm'kay?

[sj2k]

I'm curious how you consider your faith to be different from the faith of children who write to Santa

while FD may have been a bit hasrsh, this question is actually very good.

[Flare]

Santa Clause also known as Saint Nicholas, Father Christmas, Kris Kringle, or simply Santa is a popular mythological character who lives in the hearts and minds of millions of children and adults around the world who believe in him.

Religion: Though Santa Claus has Christian origins, he has become a secular representation of Christmas. As such, a number of Christian churches dislike the secular focus on Santa Claus and the materialist focus that present-receiving gives to the holiday.

Such a condemnation of Santa Claus is not a 20th-century phenomenon, but originated among some Protestant groups of the 16th century and was prevalent among the Puritans of 17th-century England and America who banned the holiday as either pagan or Roman Catholic. Following the English Civil War, under Oliver Cromwell's government Christmas was banned. Following the Restoration of the monarchy and with Puritans out of power in England,[1] the ban on Christmas was satirized in works such as Josiah King's The Examination and Tryal of Old Father Christmas; Together with his Clearing by the Jury (1686) [Nissenbaum, chap. 1].

Rev. Paul Nedergaard, a clergyman in Copenhagen, Denmark attracted controversy in 1958 when he declared Santa to be a "pagan goblin" after Santa's image was used on fundraising materials for a Danish welfare organization Clar, 337. One prominent religious group that refuses to celebrate Santa Claus, or Christmas itself, for similar reasons is the Jehovah's Witnesses. A number of denominations of Christians have varying concerns about Santa Claus. Some Christians even claim that Santa is a hidden representation of Satan. [2] They note that the name Santa Claus sounds a bit like the term "Satan's claws".

Most Christians believe that their own focus in the Christmas season should be placed on the birth of Jesus [3] and many would prefer this to be the focus of the festival in general, though attitudes to this vary according to country. In addition, some parents are uncomfortable about lying to their children about the existence of Santa. This is a concern which both Christians and non-Christians may have on the general basis that it is wrong to systematically lie to one's children. Christians are also often concerned that the lie suggests, when it is revealed, that Christianity is also a childish belief which one grows out of, thus providing a model for the critics of religion. Those with such concerns may tell their children that Santa Claus is just a sort of game, a "pretend" activity. Those whose objections are more to the materialist nature of the modern festival but still wish to participate in the festive gift-giving atmosphere of "Santa season" will shop for toys to donate to poor children on St. Nicholas's feast day, December 6. This is an opportunity to instill the Christian value of secret charity, which Nicholas was known for. Although feast days are usually not acknowledged in Protestant denominations, this tradition has found acceptance there as well.

While it is unclear how far these criticisms are supported by the majority of Christians (in the United States, for example, it would seem that most Christians do tell their children about Santa Claus), their comments have drawn the attention of critics such as the fictional Landover Baptist Church, whose website satirizes and parodies this viewpoint. The website specifies that Satan is disguising himself as Santa (notice the same letters used in an anagram) to deceive people into a materialistic celebration. By Wikipedia

[|eMoCandY|]

Santa is not god!!!
He Is Just An Icon For Chirstmas...

@Bass
Santa's not an evil man :wtf ..... he is fun loving generous fat old man that gives presents to little kids all over the world... :wtf

[sj2k]

Flare, nice way to plagerize wiki!

[Naruto514]

Santa is not god!!!
He Is Just An Icon For Chirstmas...



there see? the only thing that troubles me is that i know a couple of kids who actually PRAY to santa like as in they WORSHIP him like a god... then some of them PRAY to santa for presents..........
if they dont get what they want they WORSHIP santa....
now everyone do u get my point?

santa was not made/born to be worshipped... he was simpley made/born for simply Christmas and a source of good advice... not some god who would take over the world for a plate of cookies and a glass of milk and give presents and coal to children....

one more thing... why doesnt it say that santa gives presents to adults? does this alos mean that he is only capable of making toys and shrinking his belly so he could fit in a chimney?

then... what happens to kids who have no chimneys and even more ironic to children who have no houses?

im just worried for the kids... i mean he really does wear red... satan is red in most artists' perspective. but lets not forget that a symbol for goodness has become a modern day idolatry for children. lets all just be aware... satan wouldnt come out naked with a pitch fork and an ugly face with horns and a pointy tail... hed rather come out in persons. persons who are highly idolized by the masses.

for example: santa could be satan in disguise. he gives children presents so that he could lure kids into idolizing him

[Purgatory]

Santa IS real! :yell

[Stealth Tomato]

its called faith.... sure we doubt a couple of times but without religion what are you? an empty human being without purpose? we need to believe that there is somebody out there watching over us....
I like to think we're not so shallow that we need an invisible man watching over our shoulder for our lives to have meaning.

[Naruto514]

im not sure that santa is real. i just know that satan is real... hes everywhere.

@Neji Kun
check it out in wikipedia. im not sure of its contents but im sure ull fund something

@Vash
God is not believed to be invisible but unconsciously present in us...

[Stealth Tomato]

@Vash
God is not believed to be invisible but unconsciously present in us...
It's the same concept. You're saying we can't be good people (or have meaning in our lives, or whatever) without someone watching us (over our figurative shoulder). I'm saying that's absurd and assumes that the entirety of mankind is extremely shallow.

[Goodfellow]

Well, Santa has never hurt anybody.

God on the other hand <.<...

[Firedraconian]

Naruto514, I'm still not quite sure what your problem here is.

You are apparently opposed to children worshipping or praying to an invisible man who keeps watch over them and rewards them for good behavior, but punishes them for bad behavior... but you do the same thing.

You contend that their invisible man is evil, but that your invisible man is good, despite neither of them having any proof of even existing in the first place.

So what if someone wants to worship Santa as a god? Good for them. It's no weirder then some other religions we've got out there.

*cough scientology cough*

[sj2k]

Again, FD, you are a bit harsh IMO, but very accurate.

[Darklyre]

Last I heard, Santa Claus never commanded anyone to sacrifice his own child.

Nor did he drown 99% of the world.

Or incite people to commit violence in his name and faith.

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that if people truly DID believe in Santa Claus, half of the world's problems would disappear overnight.

[mislead]

It's the same concept. You're saying we can't be good people (or have meaning in our lives, or whatever) without someone watching us (over our figurative shoulder). I'm saying that's absurd and assumes that the entirety of mankind is extremely shallow.

One could argue, based on religion's everlasting popularity, that the entirety of humanity is, in fact, extremely shallow. Not like it's limited to religious people though...


*cough scientology cough*
D'oh! But Tom Cruise can't be wrong, can he?!

[Firedraconian]

I still think it would be a great cosmic joke if, out of all the world's religions, scientology turned out to be correct.

[mislead]

I still think it would be a great cosmic joke if, out of all the world's religions, scientology turned out to be correct.

If you really find this prospect funny, then, with all due respect, you're a horribly sick bastard.

[Bishop]

I still think it would be a great cosmic joke if, out of all the world's religions, scientology turned out to be correct.

I think it would be a cosmic joke if Buddhism turned out to be correct

[kimidoll]

I got over the entire "Santa is real" thing ages ago. And I find it hard to believe that another 14-year old thinks Santa is God :S

[sj2k]

I still think it would be a great cosmic joke if, out of all the world's religions, scientology turned out to be correct.

while we would all die horrible deaths, as I died I would agree with you.

[AestheticizeAnalog]

its called faith.... sure we doubt a couple of times but without religion what are you? an empty human being without purpose? we need to believe that there is somebody out there watching over us....

You are a perfect example of insecurity leading to "faith". You want your life to have a purpose so you believe. People without religion still have great meaning in their existance. They just have to create the meaning for their own existance and try to understand what their purpose. Where religion wraps a nice package of purpose so people can explain their existance.

All this coming from someone who believes in a higher power and a form of reincarnation. I don't follow a specific religion, but I believe in a higher power because science cannot truly explain the creation of the first living organism, from there evolution makes sense to me. But until I discover a scientific theory that can explain this I will believe that there is something more. Also as an afterlife goes reincarnation makes far more sense logically than a paradise vs. hell. Wouldn't the force who created us want us to attain enlightenment. Thus certain souls need to multiple chances to attain that.

[Naruto514]

It's the same concept. You're saying we can't be good people (or have meaning in our lives, or whatever) without someone watching us (over our figurative shoulder). I'm saying that's absurd and assumes that the entirety of mankind is extremely shallow.

Christians believe that they can choose wether to be good or bad. God gave us freedom to choose. He did not force us to do what its right. Hes trying to see if His creations are capable of making the right decisions...

Naruto514, I'm still not quite sure what your problem here is.

You are apparently opposed to children worshipping or praying to an invisible man who keeps watch over them and rewards them for good behavior, but punishes them for bad behavior... but you do the same thing.

You contend that their invisible man is evil, but that your invisible man is good, despite neither of them having any proof of even existing in the first place.

So what if someone wants to worship Santa as a god? Good for them. It's no weirder then some other religions we've got out there.

*cough scientology cough*

Im not opposed to the children but to the concept of worshiping a person who is not supposed to be. Only God can be worshipped. If you worship santa its like youre worshipping Jesus. Believe me or not Jesus doesnt want us to worship him but his Father up there ^.

I still think it would be a great cosmic joke if, out of all the world's religions, scientology turned out to be correct.

that would be sad because religions taught us that there would paradise if we die. but still funny after all the work the popes did to evangelize and had all efforts in vain. i wonder what theyll do if they find out. ^^

[Firedraconian]

Im not opposed to the children but to the concept of worshiping a person who is not supposed to be. Only God can be worshipped. If you worship santa its like youre worshipping Jesus. Believe me or not Jesus doesnt want us to worship him but his Father up there ^.

No, no, no. You've got it all wrong. Your religion says only your deity can be worshipped. Your religion says a person isn't supposed to be worshipped. Your religion says what Jesus wants.

My religion finds it perfectly acceptable to worship Santa.

See the difference? One is your religion, one is my religion. One is you, imposing your own beliefs on people who clearly don't agree, and one is me, not really caring at all if people decide to pray to a jolly elf.

[sj2k]

Christians believe that they can choose wether to be good or bad. God gave us freedom to choose. He did not force us to do what its right. Hes trying to see if His creations are capable of making the right decisions...

again, this goes to my point. most people who use this argument also believe in hell. If someoen puts a gun to your head and says do what I want or I blow out your brains, and the brains of your family, are they really giving you a choice?

See the difference? One is your religion, one is my religion. One is you, imposing your own beliefs on people who clearly don't agree, and one is me, not really caring at all if people decide to pray to a jolly elf.

Varcanism FTW

[Adonis]

How you turned a thread about Santa into a religious debate is beyond me. You're taking it way too seriously.

Tell me, how are kids supposed to tell the difference between one imaginary guy and the other?

[GrimaH]

Tell them to worship Naruto instead. Look what he did to everyone around him. He did a better job than Jesus.

[Firedraconian]

Yeah, the Church of Naruto. Instead of confession, a short kid in orange beats you up and shouts at you until you agree with him. Then an older man in a green jumpsuit hugs you while a waterfall crashes in the background.

[Naruto514]

How you turned a thread about Santa into a religious debate is beyond me. You're taking it way too seriously.

Tell me, how are kids supposed to tell the difference between one imaginary guy and the other?


It is still about Santa... Its about how kids worship him... if u see the word worship i usually talk about religion and other beliefs

[Stealth Tomato]

Christians believe that they can choose wether to be good or bad. God gave us freedom to choose. He did not force us to do what its right. Hes trying to see if His creations are capable of making the right decisions...
You're ignoring my point entirely.
What you continue to say is that good people must necessarily be religious because that is the only motivator to do good. I say that's absurd and an extremely shallow take on our moral code, assuming nobody wants to do good just for the sake of doing good.
Faith is not bad, but using it to ignore what other people are saying doesn't help anyone, least of all you.

[Naruto514]

You're ignoring my point entirely.
What you continue to say is that good people must necessarily be religious because that is the only motivator to do good. I say that's absurd and an extremely shallow take on our moral code, assuming nobody wants to do good just for the sake of doing good.
Faith is not bad, but using it to ignore what other people are saying doesn't help anyone, least of all you.

i didnt say that. i know a couple of good guys but they are not religious. what i was saying was that God gave us choice. so nobody doesnt necessarily need to be religious to be good since God gave us the choice.

[sj2k]

I don't think you can see vash's point untill you see that god doesn't exist. You are saying that god is why we have good in us. But what if there is good in us regarldess of whether or not we have religion, or god. Maybe god has nothing to do with us being good.

[Naruto514]

I don't think you can see vash's point untill you see that god doesn't exist. You are saying that god is why we have good in us. But what if there is good in us regarldess of whether or not we have religion, or god. Maybe god has nothing to do with us being good.


i never said that. God never made us good. He made us neutral. We choose if we wanna be good or bad.

[GrimaH]

i never said that. God never made us good. He made us neutral. We choose if we wanna be good or bad.

Let's not bring the issue of whether you believe in God into this, alright?

[Suzumebachi]

is it good to make santa as our modern day idolatry? i mean most kids from ages 4-9 send letters to santa as much as they pray to God... they even pray to santa... id rather steal a bike and ask God for forgiveness rather than pray to santa so that he'd give me a bike.

damn santa!


hey guys did u know that some of my classmates think santa clause is a god?O_o *stabs santa in his oversized bellybutton and gets the knife stuck (idk if hell ever get it out)*

I imagine this is what TheDarkAdonis was like when he was younger.

[sj2k]

Wait, naruto, vash's point was god and religion had nothing to do with being good.

this

i never said that. God never made us good. He made us neutral. We choose if we wanna be good or bad.

proves god has nothig to do with it. So we get back to vash's point, which is religion doesn't determine it either.

[Firedraconian]

i didnt say that. i know a couple of good guys but they are not religious. what i was saying was that God gave us choice. so nobody doesnt necessarily need to be religious to be good since God gave us the choice.

Am I the only one who sees something wrong with this statement?

"It's okay not to be religious, because my god - the one god, the one who created everything, the one who will judge all of mankind, the all-powerful deity of all - gave you a choice. Isn't he great?"

[Naruto514]

"It's okay not to be religious, because my god - the one god, the one who created everything, the one who will judge all of mankind, the all-powerful deity of all - gave you a choice. Isn't he great?"

that is whats great about Him. its really up to u if u want to believe in Him or not.

[Adonis]

I imagine this is what TheDarkAdonis was like when he was younger.
Except I never believed in Santa...

Naruto514:
Yet he sends you to Hell if you don't...

[Roy]

I never believed in Santa Clause since my parents never mentioned him >.>

[Naruto514]

Adonis:
only to those rebel against goodness

[The Internet]

that is whats great about Him. its really up to u if u want to believe in Him or not.

I know what a nice guy. God I can't wait to go to hell. Such a nice guy of god saying that if I don't believe in him, I go to hell huh.

I picked at a nice resort and everything down there. I heard the torture they have is superb!

[Naruto514]

I know what a nice guy. God I can't wait to go to hell. Such a nice guy of god saying that if I don't believe in him, I go to hell huh.

I picked at a nice resort and everything down there. I heard the torture they have is superb!

He does not want us to go to hell. only that some of us force Him to send us to hell. like satan for example.

and torture is really superb. gives u a superb pain in the ass.

[The Internet]

He does not want us to go to hell. only that some of us force Him to send us to hell. like satan for example.



No, you're a bloody christian and you never bothered to listen to what your "lord" says?

In a nutshell he says if you don't accept him or Jesus Christ as your savior, when you die you'll go to hell. That's what he says.

[Firedraconian]

Adonis:
only to those rebel against goodness

What about those who worship evil gods? They're rebelling against goodness, right? But those gods will probably reward them.

Besides, 'goodness' and 'evil' are subjective anyway. In ancient times, human sacrifices were good. They'd probably be seen as evil, in modern times. Likewise, theft used to be punished by cutting off your hand. Don't see much of that now, in most parts of the world.

He does not want us to go to hell. only that some of us force Him to send us to hell. like satan for example.


Pfft. Don't be silly. If you're stupid enough to worship a deity that's gonna send you to hell, you deserve to go there. Heck, the gods I worship don't even have a hell. Just several different afterlives, all of them pleasant.

[The Internet]

My afterlife will include tight confinement in a dark area and being eaten by maggots most likely.

But hey if there's an afterlife, all the better.

[AestheticizeAnalog]

My afterlife will include tight confinement in a dark area and being eaten by maggots most likely.

But hey if there's an afterlife, all the better.

I am going to have my afterlife in an urn. :amuse

[FrostXian]

I plan on spending my afterlife here.
You know, around.. going OooOoOOoOo.

[mislead]

Charles Baudelaire - The Joyful Corpse

In a rich fertile loam where snails recess,
I wish to dig my own deep roomy grave,
There to stretch out my old bones, motionless,
Snug in death's sleep as sharks are in the wave.

Men's testaments and tombs spell queasiness,
The world's laments are not a boon I crave,
Sooner, while yet I live, let the crows press
My carrion blood from out my skull and nave.

O worms, black comrades without eyes or ears,
Behold, a dead man, glad and free, appears!
Lecher philosophers, spawn of decay,

Rummage remorseless through my crumbling head
To tell what torture may remain today
For this my soulless body, deader than the dead.

Crows! Maggots! All the good stuff awaits.

[sj2k]

only to those rebel against goodness

so I take it you don't interpert the bible literally then. That is cool, I simply cannot reason how you can decide what to accept as true and not true, we have no special authority, so I don'[t think we can take any of it for true unless we take all of it for truth.

My afterlife is

Pippin: I didn't think it would end this way.
Gandalf: End? No, it doesn't end here. Death is just another path . . . one which we must all take. The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...
Gandalf: ...And then you see it.
Pippin: What, Gandalf? See what?
Gandalf: White shores . . . and beyond. A far green country, under a swift sunrise.
Pippin: Well, that isn't so bad.
Gandalf: [Softly:] No... No it isn't.

[GrimaH]

Hey, don't be too harsh on Naruto514. That's what he believes in, and he's got the courage to voice his opinion which I respect, and we have no right to criticise him for it or make him think otherwise. He didn't rant at us for not believing in God either.
Though he picked a rather odd time in a rather odd place to voice it...

[sj2k]

Naruto should have his oppinion, and I will defend his right to have it. BUT when his oppinion and faith start to include me, and possibly spending an afterlife in hell, I will ah, have a problem with it. Not that he shouldn't say it though. And brining it to a debate part of the forum is probably a bad idea if say, you don't want to debate it.

[Naruto514]

Naruto should have his oppinion, and I will defend his right to have it. BUT when his oppinion and faith start to include me, and possibly spending an afterlife in hell, I will ah, have a problem with it. Not that he shouldn't say it though. And brining it to a debate part of the forum is probably a bad idea if say, you don't want to debate it.

i dont want anyone to go to hell. i wanna go alone. im a loner.

Hey, don't be too harsh on Naruto514. That's what he believes in, and he's got the courage to voice his opinion which I respect, and we have no right to criticise him for it or make him think otherwise. He didn't rant at us for not believing in God either.
Though he picked a rather odd time in a rather odd place to voice it...

i know. its an odd place. i even wonder how i got to God. i should be speaking about santa as modern idolatry... but then when we speak of idolatry it refers to religion being almost ignored so.... yeah

[sj2k]

Idolatry. I still find it odd how statues of jesus are not idolatry. Can someone explain that to me, it seems like blatant idolatry to me.

[Firedraconian]

Heh. Reminds of one person who asked, 'If Jesus had been killed today, would Christians worship a needle or an electric chair?'

But heck, you see people worshiping two planks of wood, statues of Jesus, statues of his mom (but not his dad, curiously), kissing medallions of saints, all kinds of crazy stuff.

[sj2k]

I see idolotry running rampant in christianity. But people are in a christinaity bashing mood, so I don't really want to start that topic right now. Can anyone here anwer it for me, or do I have to bring it to more people. I just want an answer folks. I am not trying to say they do worship idols, I am honestly curiouse.