Berserk Discussion Thread

[Mat®icha]

i'm up to volume 9, i gotta say i'd never imagine this would be this awesome.
and also there're a lot of porn in here:nuts
r they animated in anime???

[Segan]

Anime is up to middle of vol. 14. And it left out a few things, like Puck and Wyald (I'm still pissed that they excluded Wyald).

[MdB]

They also left out Skull Knight and the history of king Gaiseric or whatever his name is.

[Havoc]

Anyone else think Berserk isn't as good as it used to be?

I'm getting kinda bored with it.

[Yakuza]

Anyone else think Berserk isn't as good as it used to be?

I'm getting kinda bored with it.


:mad :mad :mad

Well, Ive been following for over 10 years.... so I guess Im not bored...
Its the best manga ever brought out IMO...

No, not bored at all

[Segan]

Anyone else think Berserk isn't as good as it used to be?

I'm getting kinda bored with it.

Had you read Griffith's scheme plots arc right after the Hawks ended the war on a basis of two months, you would have gotten bored, too. But reading it all at once was intriguing.

It's like with all other mangas, that we read chapter for chapter. When nothing happens, we groan and say "what, nothing? What are they wasting panels for?" and when something happens, it's like "about damn time" and so on...

But in the end, I guess you just don't appreciate the direction Miura drove Berserk to. If that's the case, you don't need to come here anymore...I for my part always thought, with every new volume Miura just got better again.

[Yakuza]

True...
and Gutz burned body looks top... >__<

[~Shin~]

Imo Berserk is one of those manga that you should read in a bunch rather than wait for a chapter at a time. Regardless, it's still one of the best manga around.

[Yakuza]

Not necessarily....
Ive been following it for years....
and I never get bored, simply because the storyline never disapoints me, the artwork is awsome...

Miura style is unique and I love it... the amount of details he puts into it...
I can stare at a page for hours

[Segan]

Yes I want to make that thread here, but I'll have to alter a lot of it. For one, most of it is in HTML. I use html tables and even a flash mp3 player, all of which will have to go. I've had trouble finding HTML to BBCODE converters that don't make tons of mistakes or leave behind broken code. I'll probably make a bunch of find/replace filters in TextPad or something. Gah, it's gonna suck. Oh well.

Thanks for the Rep by the way.

Oh, did anyone check out the three Berserk videos on that thread? They're very good...
http://www.fusionraid.com/viewtopic.php?t=14

That video is not good. It's godly. Seriously, if you don't start to make a thread like this soon, I'll do it. It's just too awesome.

For the rest of you, get this video: http://www.fusionraid.com/pub/berserk/Berserk--Dark-Tranquillity--The-Wonders-At-Your-Feet.zip

It's as godly as I said.

[Moridin]

I love you!

Whoa, Guts is totally covered in third-degree-burns scars. And that he suddenly got black vision, worries me. It's like he's gonna be blind. Or it could be some echo of the excessive usage of the Berserker Armor.
And it seems, that there's something special to his iron prothesis now, that he suddenly got memories of the old Casca after trying to catch her with the iron prothesis from falling into the sea.

yeah the burns really surprised me, damn his whole body must be one big ball of pain. Barely any non scarred skin left, he needs a vacation!

Personally I think berserk is as good as its ever be, people tend to just get spoiled because they read a lot in a big batch and then have problems when they have to wait for the chapters to come out because it doesn't feel like its moving like it used to. Pretty standard with most series I think.

[TJB]

I've been bored to tears with Berserk for awhile, all because of bloody Griffith.

Thank god we're back to Guts and co.

And concerning Guts in 287.

His appearance is kinda bothering me. Hopefully Elfheim can heal some of his wounds, if not all.

[Segan]

I've been bored to tears with Berserk for awhile, all because of bloody Griffin.

Thank god we're back to Guts and co.

And concerning Guts in 287.

His appearance is kinda bothering me. Hopefully Elfheim can heal some of his wounds, if not all.

You know, it's kinda boring when our main protagonist gets healed and leaves unscathed like nothing happened. It just reminds, that Guts is still a human.
Wounds can be healed, but scars remain. It's inevitable law in Berserk. The way it looks, Guts is physically healed, anyway. Exhaustion probably still remains, though.

Hopefully we get the scans these next days.

[~Shin~]

That video is not good. It's godly. Seriously, if you don't start to make a thread like this soon, I'll do it. It's just too awesome.

For the rest of you, get this video: http://www.fusionraid.com/pub/berserk/Berserk--Dark-Tranquillity--The-Wonders-At-Your-Feet.zip

It's as godly as I said.

Well after seeing that amv, it just makes me want to read Berserk again. Gutts is just so fucking badass.

[Sess]

You could just link the flash and mp3 stuff to your forum.

But as for the pics, it's ture, there's a high limit. Like only 9 images per post. But what you could do, is to put all images that you had put next to each other into a single image. A few big images with all the artwork to see.

And the manga scans examples can be linked to your forum as well as the flash and mp3 stuff.

Well the thread is set up to play random tracks when you view it to give an effect. It's not quite the same thing if I just put links to the music. Also, nearly all the images are links to larger versions. If I put them all into one image, how do I make the links? Since I cannot use html tags I cannot make hot spots. Bah!

That video is not good. It's godly. Seriously, if you don't start to make a thread like this soon, I'll do it. It's just too awesome.

For the rest of you, get this video: http://www.fusionraid.com/pub/berserk/Berserk--Dark-Tranquillity--The-Wonders-At-Your-Feet.zip

It's as godly as I said.

Yeah, that's a great video, but don't skip the other two! They're amazing as well!
http://www.fusionraid.com/pub/berserk/Berserk--Dark-Tranquillity--The-Wonders-At-Your-Feet.zip
http://www.fusionraid.com/pub/berserk/Berserk--Gatts--Cloud-Connected.zip
http://www.fusionraid.com/pub/berserk/Berserk--Otaku-Productions--Hakura--Sentence.zip

[Segan]

Well the thread is set up to play random tracks when you view it to give an effect. It's not quite the same thing if I just put links to the music. Also, nearly all the images are links to larger versions. If I put them all into one image, how do I make the links? Since I cannot use html tags I cannot make hot spots. Bah!
Put all the images into an archive and link it as a download. If someone wants the original pictures, he can just download them. No link.
An example: Text: Here you can see Miura's amazing artwork with colouring. For the purpose of this thread the images are resized to nearly one quarter its original size. You can get the original images here: *insert download link* http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5916/6artwork6yy1.jpg
You don't need links for these pictures. Just offer all original the images as a zip-file (or rar or whatever else you want). You might find it bothersome, but I think it's a good solution for this forum.
It was a lot of work to make this image possible. Had only mspaint. I will do the rest of the artwork during this day. You can use the image in my spoiler for your thread.


Yeah, that's a great video, but don't skip the other two! They're amazing as well!
http://www.fusionraid.com/pub/berserk/Berserk--Dark-Tranquillity--The-Wonders-At-Your-Feet.zip
http://www.fusionraid.com/pub/berserk/Berserk--Gatts--Cloud-Connected.zip
http://www.fusionraid.com/pub/berserk/Berserk--Otaku-Productions--Hakura--Sentence.zip
*goes to download*

[Segan]

Berserk scan is out: Online Viewing (http://www.onemanga.com/Berserk/287/01/)

Seems like he realizes he won't get the old Casca back. I predict he will refrain from asking the fairy king for healing Casca's mind.

[MdB]

I've been bored to tears with Berserk for awhile, all because of bloody Griffith.

Thank god we're back to Guts and co.

And concerning Guts in 287.

His appearance is kinda bothering me. Hopefully Elfheim can heal some of his wounds, if not all.

Wait you hate plot development?

[Yakuza]

Wait you hate plot development?


lol ....
I need to learn how to colour on photoshop so I can start colouring beserk...

[Pasty]

"Even if we painstakingly piece together something lost, I guess it doesn't mean it will be back to normal."

That's a great quote. Pretty much summarizes their entire relationship.

[Segan]

"Even if we painstakingly piece together something lost, I guess it doesn't mean it will be back to normal."

That's a great quote. Pretty much summarizes their entire relationship.

Not just his relationship with Casca. It also perfectly summarizes his whole life.

[Yakuza]

It also perfectly summarizes his whole life.

Yeah, I agree to that

[TJB]

Wait you hate plot development?

Only if my dislike for a certain character means I hate plot development.

At this rate, just who the hell has the patience to read Berserk for some plot development anyway? :huh

[Yakuza]

At this rate, just who the hell has the patience to read Berserk for some plot development anyway?

Ive been reading for over 10 years :notrust

[MdB]

Only if my dislike for a certain character means I hate plot development.

At this rate, just who the hell has the patience to read Berserk for some plot development anyway? :huh

Because the story Muira tells is a big factor that makes Berserk awesome. If you want non stop boring action you should check out Bleach.

[TJB]

Ive been reading for over 10 years :notrust

Go you. :thumbs

Because the story Muira tells is a big factor that makes Berserk awesome.

I agree to that somewhat. I just don't think I have another 15+ years in me waiting for the conclussion.

At this point, I only read Berserk for the amazing art and the main characters relationships.

Anyway, this is pointless. Moving on now.

Do you think Zodd may join the protaganists at some point, or become an outside factor against Griffith or something?

[Segan]

[...]

Do you think Zodd may join the protaganists at some point, or become an outside factor against Griffith or something?

No. I think, Zodd is better than betraying the one he willingly bows his head down to and defends against enemies.

[Yakuza]

No. I think, Zodd is better than betraying the one he willingly bows his head down to and defends against enemies.

you know, this is not the first time it came to my head that Zodd may become a neutral...
I think he still loves Griffith to bits, but Gatts is earning a lot of respect from Zodd.... I think that Zodds admire Gatts determination, fighting style and monstruous abilities for a human...

[Dog Rapist]

you know, this is not the first time it came to my head that Zodd may become a neutral...
I think he still loves Griffith to bits, but Gatts is earning a lot of respect from Zodd.... I think that Zodds admire Gatts determination, fighting style and monstruous abilities for a human...

All that you posit is true, yet Zodd become neutral? I'm not convinced.

[Yakuza]

I do think Zodd will still serve Griffith...
but when I said neutral I didnt mean he was cut the realtion with Griffith, I mean that in a potential fight between Gatts and Griffith, if Griffith asked Zodd to deal with Gatts, Zodd would say no and let Griffith fight Gatts instead...

He already has a mutual respect fro Gatts, I just see that increase as the story develops...

[TJB]

Lets face it, at the moment Guts could use all the help he can get.

Since I've always anticipated an apostle joining Guts against Godhand. It would suit me fine if said apostle would be Zodd, he has afterall aided Guts in the past.

[Yakuza]

finger crossed to that >_<

[Segan]

you know, this is not the first time it came to my head that Zodd may become a neutral...
I think he still loves Griffith to bits, but Gatts is earning a lot of respect from Zodd.... I think that Zodds admire Gatts determination, fighting style and monstruous abilities for a human...
Respect is not the same as devotion.

I do think Zodd will still serve Griffith...
but when I said neutral I didnt mean he was cut the realtion with Griffith, I mean that in a potential fight between Gatts and Griffith, if Griffith asked Zodd to deal with Gatts, Zodd would say no and let Griffith fight Gatts instead...

He already has a mutual respect fro Gatts, I just see that increase as the story develops...
Come on. Zodd showed respect during the very first encounter. Two years he had even more respect for Guts due to the fact that he survived the eclipse and that his skill and power increased as he fought his way through the past years.
In the third encounter, however, Zodd made it more than clear, that if Guts was going to lay a finger on Griffith, he would tear him to pieces.

Respect? Yeah, there is. But Zodd ain't gonna be neutral and disobey Griffith. His dialogue with Skull Knight at Flora's made it obvious, that he's gonna do whater Griffith tells him to.

Lets face it, at the moment Guts could use all the help he can get.

Since I've always anticipated an apostle joining Guts against Godhand. It would suit me fine if said apostle would be Zodd, he has afterall aided Guts in the past.

Sure, Guts will need all the help he can get. But it's not going to happen with Zodd. As for him having helped Guts on several occasions, there are other reasons.
Zodd realized from the first encounter that Guts had to be a close friend to Griffith and without a doubt he also knew that in order to become an Apostle (or God Hand for that matter) the chosen one would have to sacrifice the closest ones to him. Guts was definitely close to Griffith.
And also, Zodd himself stated that he wished for Guts to survive so that they both would face each other again and fight. Zodd is a battle maniac after all.

As for Apostles joining Guts in the battle against the God Hand respectively Griffith, the only one I can see, is Ganishka, if anything. All others already joined Griffith and they sure as hell aren't going to leave him.

I know, it's all speculation, and it's not like I can see in the future and claim my predictions as absolute truth.

But still, mark my words. Zodd ain't gonna go neutral, much less join Guts in his quest to strike Griffith and the rest of the God Hand down.

[Mat®icha]

i finally finished it all. it took me two straight night and cost me a lot, but i finished it. this is really awesome, sometimes it's too slow and wasted with unnecessary talk and all, but in overall it's great.
for the first time i felt heart ache for the manga character. after finishing reading, i went back and looked over a couple of chapters and saw casca fightin' and all, i felt so sorry for her.
griffith's revival arc was the cruelest arc ever, maybe ever in the manga history. that was too harsh.

my fav would be the skull knight (death god) and gutt (gat) himself, and of course casca.
i'm really looking forward to reading it till the end. i hope it gets more and more interesting.
and also i cant wait to see released (true form) griffith in fight, to see his full power.


for those who need the manga in volumes, http://www.mangatraders.com/

[Yakuza]

But still, mark my words. Zodd ain't gonna go neutral, much less join Guts in his quest to strike Griffith and the rest of the God Hand down.


lol... I don't mean he'll switch sides or go neutral (God... my explanation do sux >_<)
What I tried to say is that Zodd will not stop Gatts if he challenges Griffith one-to-one... he'll probably step aside and see how Gatts will fight Griffith....

They'll probably become what Zodd//Skull Knight are.... Respected enemies

[Segan]

lol... I don't mean he'll switch sides or go neutral (God... my explanation do sux >_<)
What I tried to say is that Zodd will not stop Gatts if he challenges Griffith one-to-one... he'll probably step aside and see how Gatts will fight Griffith....

They'll probably become what Zodd//Skull Knight are.... Respected enemies

That's neutral behavior, no matter how I look at it.

Anyway, Zodd said, he would tear Guts apart if he attempts to get Griffith. He was very clear about that.

[Yakuza]

lol...
lets wait and see..... I stick with my hopeful opinion

[Segan]

lol...
lets wait and see..... I stick with my hopeful opinion

For the next ten years, I guess?

I wonder what Miura will do with Guts from now on. Seeing as how he stuck with as much reality as possible, Guts is gradually being worn out more and more ever since he met Slann in Kliffoth and wore the Berserker Armor, which pushed Guts to near-death limits more than once.
It's obvious that he can't keep up like that. Even his vision is starting to black out. So Miura has to do something about that. I hope it's something good and unexpected.

[Yakuza]

For the next ten years, I guess?

Ive been following for 10 already... another 1o wont kill me

lol..... I dont know man... hes burned, almost blind, decapitated... hes the biggest baddass ever....
Jesus... I cant wait to find out how things are going to turn out to be..

[Segan]

Decapitated? I'm sure you meant mutilated or something along that line...

A decapitated man has no head left anymore.

[Muk]

who's Ganishka again? ...

but as for apostle joining Gutts... Gutts would slice any apostle apart without questioning...

And Zodd and Gutts still got a rematch waiting. Both are fighters and love fighting ... so that open battle still stands and neither is going to back down if they get the chance ...

Both enjoy fighting too much or at least Gutts did and still does if he doesn't have a whole group to worry about.

[Muk]

For the next ten years, I guess?

I wonder what Miura will do with Guts from now on. Seeing as how he stuck with as much reality as possible, Guts is gradually being worn out more and more ever since he met Slann in Kliffoth and wore the Berserker Armor, which pushed Guts to near-death limits more than once.
It's obvious that he can't keep up like that. Even his vision is starting to black out. So Miura has to do something about that. I hope it's something good and unexpected.

I hope that Miura won't change Gutts or heal him. He should go down the road of a human.

It will be his human will against the power of the gods and he will triumph some how or die trying.

[Segan]

You don't know Ganishka...?

He's the only Apostle that actually retaliates against Griffith. And probably the most powerful Apostle among the rest of his kind, as he's seemingly the only one who uses some kind of magic.

Oh, and he's the Emperor of the Kushans that were invading Midland till Griffith pushed back the armies. But still, the capital, Windham is still under his control.

[~Shin~]

So what's the general consensus on the strongest apostle?

I'm torn between Ganiskha and Grunbeld.

[Segan]

Well, Grunbeld's physical prowess does not matter in that case, but he has the ability to produce fire. However, I don't see how fire would affect Ganishka at all, he's a thundercloud.

On the other hand, it's also questionable how Ganishka's lightning strikes would affect Grunbeld's topaz body. Maybe not at all.


On a sidenote: Did any of you realize that a lot of the big names in Berserk begin with the "G" character?
- Guts
- Griffith
- Grunbeld
- Ganishka
- Geiserich, the Emperor.

[Sess]

This talk of apostles is fascinating and all, but... meh. What interests me the most is what I think interests Guts the most: Caska. I get the feeling he's tired of fighting. He's tired of Griffith. He doesn't even want to think about Griffith anymore. He realized a long time ago what a huge mistake he made when he went out for revenge, leaving Caska behind. Now his number one priority is keeping her safe.

As for Caska getting her memories back, I think it will happen. Maybe this sounds lame, but I really think Guts and Caska will end up back together. This is a medieval fantasy story after all, doesn't it have to end with "and they lived happily ever after"?

Yes, yes. Before you even say it, I know. "Miura is a better writer than that. He's more interesting. He's not going to cheapen his story with some fairy tail ending." But I don't know. Hasn't he been cruel enough to our heroes already. Can Miura really end the story without giving us all the feeling that justice has been done and everything is the way it should be?

After ten years and how many more years are to come, if Guts and Caska can't life happily ever after, than what was the point?

[alanmh]

This talk of apostles is fascinating and all, but... meh. What interests me the most is what I think interests Guts the most: Caska. I get the feeling he's tired of fighting. He's tired of Griffith. He doesn't even want to think about Griffith anymore. He realized a long time ago what a huge mistake he made when he went out for revenge, leaving Caska behind. Now his number one priority is keeping her safe.

As for Caska getting her memories back, I think it will happen. Maybe this sounds lame, but I really think Guts and Caska will end up back together. This is a medieval fantasy story after all, doesn't it have to end with "and they lived happily ever after"?

Yes, yes. Before you even say it, I know. "Miura is a better writer than that. He's more interesting. He's not going to cheapen his story with some fairy tail ending." But I don't know. Hasn't he been cruel enough to our heroes already. Can Miura really end the story without giving us all the feeling that justice has been done and everything is the way it should be?

After ten years and how many more years are to come, if Guts and Caska can't life happily ever after, than what was the point?

It is a medieval fantasy story but this is s seinen manga and not necessarily supposed to have a "lived happily ever after" ending. I do see Guts and Caska ending up back together somehow, but how permanent that will be is up in the air. I would predict tragedy...

As for the apostle debate, my money's on Ganishka :amuse

[Elijah Snow]

So what's the general consensus on the strongest apostle?

I'm torn between Ganiskha and Grunbeld.

Wait, when did Grunbeld seem to be the strongest? I easily place him below both Ganishka and Zodd.

[Segan]

This talk of apostles is fascinating and all, but... meh. What interests me the most is what I think interests Guts the most: Caska. I get the feeling he's tired of fighting. He's tired of Griffith. He doesn't even want to think about Griffith anymore. He realized a long time ago what a huge mistake he made when he went out for revenge, leaving Caska behind. Now his number one priority is keeping her safe.Just wait for the next time Guts meets Griffith. Then you will see if he's really tired from fighting and revenge.

As for Caska getting her memories back, I think it will happen. Maybe this sounds lame, but I really think Guts and Caska will end up back together. This is a medieval fantasy story after all, doesn't it have to end with "and they lived happily ever after"?Fantasy is not the same as a fairy tale.
And the last line of Guts in the latest chapter made it pretty obvious that there will be no happy end. At least it became highly unlikely.

Yes, yes. Before you even say it, I know. "Miura is a better writer than that. He's more interesting. He's not going to cheapen his story with some fairy tail ending." But I don't know. Hasn't he been cruel enough to our heroes already. Can Miura really end the story without giving us all the feeling that justice has been done and everything is the way it should be?The way it should be? Again, that's not a fairy tale. Maybe justice will be done, but I'm pretty sure, it won't be done in a way that will everyone make feel happy in the end.
And I would hate it if it actually happened. It just doesn't fit the theme. Tragedy is the more likely way to end this series.

After ten years and how many more years are to come, if Guts and Caska can't life happily ever after, than what was the point?Only two years have passed since the eclipse...

And besides, how can you live happily with memories of unspeakable horrors? They both have been torn apart, mentally and physically, and their wounds run so deep they are not gonna heal. If the stigma doesn't heal, then the wounds won't either.

[Muk]

ohh ganishka was the boss at the harbor, i am horrible with berserk names...

i'd like this story to end as a tragedy, not a happy ending fairy tale.

and it started out as a tragedy so why not end it as one with a satisfactory ending ala shakespear

[Mat®icha]

guess no chapter this week:(

[Yakuza]

Wait, when did Grunbeld seem to be the strongest? I easily place him below both Ganishka and Zodd.


ya agreed....
segan didnt recognise you.... changes avy. lol

[~Shin~]

Wait, when did Grunbeld seem to be the strongest? I easily place him below both Ganishka and Zodd.

I can understand Ganishka but why Zodd? What did Zodd show that would be considered greater than Grunbeld? The guy's made out of complete corrundum in his apostle form. Not to mention he can create fire on a pretty wide scale.

[Yakuza]

What did Zodd show that would be considered greater than Grunbeld?

Everything until now :huh

[~Shin~]

How? I mean Grunbeld has a clear advantage in terms of durability and also in terms of strength as he's made of a substance much harder than steel. Zodd is most likely better in terms of mobility. But that's it.

Are we assuming that Zodd hasn't shown us everything yet or something?

[MdB]

I always thought Zodd hasn't showed us his physical limit.

[Segan]

I wouldn't put Zodd's durability below Grunbeld's just because he can be cut. He showed to take insane amounts of punishments and still shrugged it off. Even cutting off his arm doesn't mean much since he would just switch to his horns in a fight.

And one has to wonder if Grunbeld could even heal from injuries made to his Apostle skin.

PS: His dragon skin is not made of corrondrum or whatever it is called. It's topas. Pretty close to diamond in terms of hardness.

[~Shin~]

Where did you hear it was Topaz? Didn't he explicitly say that it was made of corrundum?

Edit: He even says it right here:

http://www.mangarun.com/berserk/berserk_v27_227/Berserk%20v27c227p028%20copy.jpg

[Segan]

Again those translation differences. My german version says it is topas.

Oh well...

[Elijah Snow]

I'm still in the boat that place Zodd above Grunbeld. Zodd doesn't seem the kind that would let anyone stronger than him be under his control, if Grunbeld was stronger he would be obeying him, but I have yet to see that from Zodd.

[Segan]

I don't think Miura is gonna resolve that specific topic anyway.

But for the sake of the discussion, I will continue that. Do you think, Zodd is strong enough to crack Grunbeld's body apart? Or simply throw it into air and let it sink into the sea?

The only thing Grunbeld has going for him, is his sheer massive strength and fire breath.
Zodd has fast healing, massive strength as well and on top of that, his physiology allows him to be much more agile and flexible compared to Grunbeld. Zodd catches him with his arms and throws him around till Grunbeld vomits.

[Crimson Dragoon]

Wasn't Zodd able to withstand Ganishka's lightning attacks?

[Sess]

Just wait for the next time Guts meets Griffith. Then you will see if he's really tired from fighting and revenge.It's a little different if the two are face to face. In that situation, Guts' hatred of Griffith might overwhelm him, but that isn't his real goal. I mean, what is Guts doing right now? He's running away with Casca. He knows where the enemy is and he's getting away from there. Yeah, he's hurt now, but that's not why he's getting away. If you remember, when he started this journey to get away, he was in good shape.

Fantasy is not the same as a fairy tale.
And the last line of Guts in the latest chapter made it pretty obvious that there will be no happy end. At least it became highly unlikely.That's how Guts feels. He is entering despair. He's afraid that you're right and that things will never get better for him. But that does not mean he is correct. I think it means things will get worse before they get better.

Only two years have passed since the eclipse...I meant the over ten years since Miura began the manga.

And besides, how can you live happily with memories of unspeakable horrors? They both have been torn apart, mentally and physically, and their wounds run so deep they are not gonna heal. If the stigma doesn't heal, then the wounds won't either.I meant happily ever after with a grain of salt. They both have experienced unspeakable horrors, yes, but that means they are even more perfect for each other than they once were. No one but them can ever understand what they went through, and so what better place to find comfort than with each other? What, are you saying they'd be better off alone?

The way it should be? Again, that's not a fairy tale. Maybe justice will be done, but I'm pretty sure, it won't be done in a way that will everyone make feel happy in the end.
And I would hate it if it actually happened. It just doesn't fit the theme. Tragedy is the more likely way to end this series.When did tragedy become the theme of Berserk? For the first ten volumes, things kept getting better and better. Then things got real bad real fast with Griffith's imprisonment and the eclipse. Things sucked for a while, but slowly started getting better again. The friends and the feelings of camaraderie that Guts gained in the first ten volumes and lost in the eclipse slowly started to come back.

But along with new friends and allies come new enemies as well. Another war in fact! Events seem to be repeating themselves, but things are different this time. Guts is different this time. He realizes what's most important and in the upcoming battles he knows what he's fighting for.

That's what I see when I stand back and look at the series as a whole. Guts was given an amazing gift when he joined the Hawks, but he didn't realize what he had until it was too late. He made mistakes and it all went away. This time will be different. This time he will win!

[Elijah Snow]

^In response to Berserk not being a tragedy, I have to disagree. A tragedy is not depressing the whole way through. It creates a false sense of hope only to have it be stripped and taken away in the most horrible way. I think Berserk greatly fits that. But time will tell if the series will have a happy or sad ending.

[Segan]

@Sess:

Berserk not a tragedy?
The death of Guts' foster mother was not a tragedy?
The incident where Guts had to kill his own foster father was not a tragedy?
The death of the son of General Julius by Guts' hands was not a tragedy?
Griffith's unstability, imprisonment and torture was not a tragedy?
The death of the original Hawks was not a tragedy?
Roshinu's path to becoming an Apostle and her death was not a tragedy?

Tragedy has been a theme throughout the entire series, but it became less and less apparent in the last few volumes.

Anyway, I bet my money that Guts will leave Casca once he's sure she's safe on the Island and go for killing Griffith. Because, no matter how you see it, he cannot leave Griffith aside. As long as he carries around that stigma of his, he's forever doomed. Defeating the God Hand would be the only way to overcome it.

[Elijah Snow]

^But can it even be done, that's what makes this series even more into a tragedy. It all seems hopeless from the very beginning.

[Segan]

It can't be done in a conventional way, that's for sure.

The Skull Knight already gave away a hint as how to defeat the God Hand, and that is hoping for an anomaly to occur, where the flow of fate is distracted.

[Muk]

or guts becomes something like griffon, a being outside the flow of destiny or outside of the power of the idea

the quick way of doing that is summon the apostle, but the long road requires something along the road for the skull knight/zodd

and about the zodd vs grunbeld discussion

zodd isn't even an apostle, not by definition

zodd is similar to the skull knight, both eternal enemies where neither can slay the other

and skull knight and beat any apostle any time he wants to

that makes zodd automatically more powerful then grunbeld

[Sess]

@Sess:

Berserk not a tragedy?
The death of Guts' foster mother was not a tragedy?
The incident where Guts had to kill his own foster father was not a tragedy?
The death of the son of General Julius by Guts' hands was not a tragedy?
Griffith's unstability, imprisonment and torture was not a tragedy?
The death of the original Hawks was not a tragedy?
Roshinu's path to becoming an Apostle and her death was not a tragedy?All those things were a means to an end for the development of Guts' psyche. Only among such tragedies could a hero like Guts be born.

Tragedy has been a theme throughout the entire series, but it became less and less apparent in the last few volumes.What makes a story a tragedy is the ending. Romeo and Juliet was a tragedy only because they died in the end. Even though people were killed before, if they managed to survive and live together, it would have been a happy ending. There are plenty of stories out there where terrible things happen and lots of people die, but the main characters fight back and manage to survive and make happy lives for themselves. I just don't understand why you think that if tragedy ever happens in a story, it becomes a forgone conclusion that the ending of the story must be tragic as well.

Anyway, I bet my money that Guts will leave Casca once he's sure she's safe on the Island and go for killing Griffith. Because, no matter how you see it, he cannot leave Griffith aside. As long as he carries around that stigma of his, he's forever doomed. Defeating the God Hand would be the only way to overcome it.You're probably right about that. Obviously at some point Guts will have to confront Griffith. For him and Casca to truly be safe, they need to do something about the evil that chases them in the night. I don't know if they will succeed in that. They might have to find some other way to live, but I think an attempt will be made.

Something just occured to me. I said "Obviously at some point Guts will have to confront Griffith." Does everyone agree with that? I think most people probably do. But why can I make a statement like that and have it feel correct? Could it be because the way the manga is designed, it's obvious that such an encounter is inevitable? And if so, then why can't something similar be said about Guts and Casca?

So much is being put into that relationship. Hell, for how many volumes now has Guts been dragging Casca all over the place, protecting her? And you're trying to say it will all be for nothing? They'll never be back together? It will end in tragedy? Then what was the point?

Alright then, I'll make an outrageous claim as well. Guts and Griffith will never meet again, or if they do Guts will lose. Guts will die somewhere and Griffith will rule the world. The end. Wow, that ending is so depressing it must be true. I mean, this story is a tragedy and all, so how else could it end?

Come on guys. Why are you so sure that Miura would spend so many years telling a story just to have a sad ending? What's with all the pessimism?

[Segan]

I cannot see a happy ending in any way unless Miura becomes a lame writer and sets his plot device to do so. The way, Miura built Berserk up, a happy ending is just so damn unlikely I don't even bother to think about it.

Claim all you want, Guts and Griffith are bound to meet again anyway. The most likely scenario that I've in my mind is that Guts will eventually die after having defeated the God Hand, leaving Casca, Schierke and Co. back at life.

Not that it has to happen necessarily. For all we know, Miura could have planned an ending exactly as you want it to be. I just don't think of it as likely right now.

[alanmh]

I cannot see a happy ending in any way unless Miura becomes a lame writer and sets his plot device to do so. The way, Miura built Berserk up, a happy ending is just so damn unlikely I don't even bother to think about it.

Claim all you want, Guts and Griffith are bound to meet again anyway. The most likely scenario that I've in my mind is that Guts will eventually die after having defeated the God Hand, leaving Casca, Schierke and Co. back at life.

Not that it has to happen necessarily. For all we know, Miura could have planned an ending exactly as you want it to be. I just don't think of it as likely right now.

No actually I completely agree with you, Berserk will not have a happy ending and Guts will probably die in the end.

[Elijah Snow]

The end result is from what I've read and where we are at, I see no way this can be resolved in a positive way.

[T4R0K]

There're still naive ones that think this story can have a happy ending ?

THIS. IS. BERSEEEEERK !! Not happy land adventures !!!

[Sess]

Ahh you guys all suck! :(

Where does it say that good writing equals sad ending? That makes no sense. Where do you guys get this stuff? Yes, I understand that things look bad right now, but to say that if Miura turns things around that you'll be disappointed in him? What's that crap? Miura is a great writer and has the right to take his story anywhere he wants it to go. Seriously, you guys are sounding like stuffy critics with little rulebooks and check marks for items that make a story either good or bad. Have you so little faith in Miura? Do you think he lacks the talent to bring our characters to a good ending? That's so sad...

[Muk]

you just want a happy ending

go read Harry Potter for that

i want a tragedy!!!

and as it started out as a tragedy, why not let end as one?

honestly though if i want happy ending i would be reading shonen (which i do XD)

but seien usually don't involve happy ending; they tend to mess with you a lot since the author can do all kinds of stuff in those stories and doesn't have to abide to shonen rules.

and i'd love a tragedy manga

[Segan]

Ahh you guys all suck! :(

Where does it say that good writing equals sad ending? That makes no sense. Where do you guys get this stuff? Yes, I understand that things look bad right now, but to say that if Miura turns things around that you'll be disappointed in him? What's that crap? Miura is a great writer and has the right to take his story anywhere he wants it to go. Seriously, you guys are sounding like stuffy critics with little rulebooks and check marks for items that make a story either good or bad. Have you so little faith in Miura? Do you think he lacks the talent to bring our characters to a good ending? That's so sad...

Now, now, you are misunderstanding something. Good writing does not equal a sad ending. No one ever said that. You were the only one to call it.

What I mean, is that with the way Miura developed the story, he can't make a happy ending without some sort of retcon. And I HATE retcon.

I really hate retcon. It would make him a bad writer if he did that kind of thing. It's basically as if nothing happened. And more importantly, it would quite make a misfit in the story of Berserk.

Guts was born from a god damned corpse. His foster mother died, and his foster father tried to kill him and ended up getting killed by Guts himself. He got raped. He lost his arm and eye, witnessed horror no human would live to tell. He saw his beloved one abused. He crawled on a sea full of blood. His soul is doomed to get lost into the nirvana of tormented souls. He's losing his humanity bit by bit through the Berserker Armor.

Sorry, but if Miura develops a character like Guts with the background he has, a happy ending is the most implausible thing to do. The foreshadowing of Guts' death is just too blatant for me to have any other ending.

[Sess]

Aha! Exactly why only an amazing writer like Miura could create a happy ending out of such tragedy. By the way, to make it clear, when I say happy ending, all I really mean is that Guts and Casca are together. Other stuff could happen that would make it better, but as long as they are together, I'm happy. So what if they're miserable and depressed and spend every waking moment thinking about all their dead friends! At least they'll have each other! Isn't that ending tragic enough for you guys? Everyone else they knew and loved is dead and they only have each other to share in their pain. C'mon guys, that's pretty damn tragic, but at least they're together! Give me that much at least!

Really, I do understand what you guys are saying and you all have good points. I simply don't think your arguments are strong enough to validate how absolutely certain you all seem to be that the story will end in complete tragedy where Guts and Casca are separated forever. And your assertion that it ending any other way means Miura has failed is utter nonsense.

[Dave]

lol im only on volume 15
so many spoilers :-(

[Segan]

Aha! Exactly why only an amazing writer like Miura could create a happy ending out of such tragedy. By the way, to make it clear, when I say happy ending, all I really mean is that Guts and Casca are together. Other stuff could happen that would make it better, but as long as they are together, I'm happy. So what if they're miserable and depressed and spend every waking moment thinking about all their dead friends! At least they'll have each other! Isn't that ending tragic enough for you guys? Everyone else they knew and loved is dead and they only have each other to share in their pain. C'mon guys, that's pretty damn tragic, but at least they're together! Give me that much at least!

Really, I do understand what you guys are saying and you all have good points. I simply don't think your arguments are strong enough to validate how absolutely certain you all seem to be that the story will end in complete tragedy where Guts and Casca are separated forever. And your assertion that it ending any other way means Miura has failed is utter nonsense.
Maybe.

I still don't think Guts will live together with Casca at the end of the series. It's possible, since it's Miura who is drawing and planning the story, so I have no way to know what will happen. I just find it highly unlikely.

[Mat®icha]

i'm already depressed with all these bad stuff happening to this couple, i really dont wanna this manga end like a tragedy. at least gatts and casca should be together.

[Wuzzman]

Gutts has a tendency to fuck these up. He leaves without realizing what he left behind and when he does its too late. If their is a happy ending to Berserk, Gutts will have to solve all those anti-social tendecies that have 80% of what is happening to him now.

[Lusankya]

I just cant imagine a happy ending, the way the manga has developed so far. The entire story is one big tragedy and i dont see it ending any other way.

[G@R-chan]

Chapter 288 is out. Enjoy!!

http://www.megaupload.com/fr/?d=TLFP8PR2
http://www.sendspace.com/file/q4fm5x

[Freija]

I can't belive it... IM BEHIND ON BERSERK GOT TO FIX THAT NOW

[Segan]

Whoa, didn't notice Berserk was out. Gotta get it.

By the way, did anyone see Berserk being animated 3D? This looks just awesome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niikzNZO4MA&NR=1

Edit:Looks like Farnese and Schierke are concerned about how Guts is concerned about Casca.
And I seriously thought the sailing would go along smoothly. At least no sea monsters or something like that. But I seriously didn't expect the pirates to show up, since I thought they were only there to put Isidro in a spotlight and to develop a relationship between Schierke/Isidro and Sonja/Mule. But there you go...

The pirates are gonna crawl before Roderick's feet and beg for mercy. :grin

[Elijah Snow]

FUCK!! No Berserk till September the 14th(I think). Great chapter overall though.

[Segan]

FUCK!! No Berserk till September the 14th(I thing). Great chapter overall though.

Ooops, you are right. I didn't notice. Too bad.

I guess, Miura will do the same as he did with Griffith's battle. Details of epic proportions.

Can't be helped. :(

[Elijah Snow]

Ooops, you are right. I didn't notice. Too bad.

I guess, Miura will do the same as he did with Griffith's battle. Details of epic proportions.

Can't be helped. :(

I'm really looking forward to it. I expect crazy detailed splash pages up the wazoo.

Still...September...damn.

[Segan]

Well, it's just one and half a month. That's like missing three chapters in the regular schedule.

Not thaaaat much... ^^

[T4R0K]

FUCK!! No Berserk till September the 14th(I think). Great chapter overall though.

What the fuck is it with that "2-3 chapters in normal schedule, then see you in some month" routine ? Damn... I'll let it pass, because it's Berserk, but still...

About the chapter :
"YAAAARRR !! NAKED CASCA BOOTY, MATES !!"

[Sess]

By the way, did anyone see Berserk being animated 3D? This looks just awesome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niikzNZO4MA&NR=1


Here's another version of the trailer, better video I think.
http://www.lolgame.co.kr/movie/2974.wmv

Here's the official website. It's in Japanese, but in the middle, just click on the words with the green highlights for the higher quality version of the videos. Then use the yellow arrow on the right to scroll to more vids.
http://berserk.sega.jp/html/movie/index.html

This one is a pretty cool music video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHmb75X4V9Y

IGN has some pretty good videos as well. Just click "Watch It Now" and when it starts playing, right click on the video, go to zoom, and hit full screen. It looks pretty decent.
http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/679/679798/vids_1.html


By the way..... anime, games, 3d animation, doesn't matter. Japanese just suck at lip syncing lol!

[Mat®icha]

it was interesting. too bad there's no scanlation. i expected side fights in this arc.

[Segan]

Here's another version of the trailer, better video I think.
http://www.lolgame.co.kr/movie/2974.wmv

Here's the official website. It's in Japanese, but in the middle, just click on the words with the green highlights for the higher quality version of the videos. Then use the yellow arrow on the right to scroll to more vids.
http://berserk.sega.jp/html/movie/index.html

This one is a pretty cool music video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHmb75X4V9Y

IGN has some pretty good videos as well. Just click "Watch It Now" and when it starts playing, right click on the video, go to zoom, and hit full screen. It looks pretty decent.
http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/679/679798/vids_1.html


By the way..... anime, games, 3d animation, doesn't matter. Japanese just suck at lip syncing lol!

Yeah, those are cool videos. But the fight one Hill of the Swords bothers me. I know, that was for the purpose of the game, but still...there's no way Guts could have pushed Zodd like that. I mean, he pushes Zodd into the goddamn air! Their swordsmanship skills are around the same level, but there's a vast difference in strength. Guts would have no chance of knocking Zodd back with brute force.

Oh well, just a bit of ranting. It's all for the game and it's supposed to be flashy. But that Guts did get an attack on Griffith was good. Too bad it didn't do anything.

[G@R-chan]

Chapter 288 scanlated by Evil Genius
http://www.megaupload.com/fr/?d=8AGAQO9A
http://www.sendspace.com/file/urvjdb

[Segan]

Now we get to see Roderick shining. Seems he got a dangerous reputation on the sea.

He could be potentially a new ally for Guts in the quest to defeat the God Hand. Depends on what Farnese will do in future, though.

[Muk]

ohhh i loved that scene; got me all tingeling ... it was like back when the hawks were awesome ... it was like omg what group is attacking us ... the flag ... omg it's the hawks .... Run for you life!!!

except this time it's the sea horse!!! brings back memories sooo goood!!!!

[Blaze of Glory]

YAY! THe pirate captain returns! :laugh

[Sess]

Bah! What did Guts say!? Caska is what to him? I must know!!

Muk: Do you know where the two existing extra scenes from Claymore fit chronologically?

Hmm, about ten weeks until the first 26 episode season of Claymore is finished. Should I wait until they're all done and watch them over a few days, or should I start now and get caught up? Hmm.....

[Elijah Snow]

Bah! What did Guts say!? Caska is what to him? I must know!!


We'll never know, and that's the beauty of Berserk.

[Segan]

@Sess: Well, the first scene obviously happened before Teresa met Clare.

The second scene has two timelines. The current one was somewhere in the 7 years exile in the north and the older one is a flashback of Miata. No idea when that happened. Might have been after Priscilla became the Abyssal One, since the top five Claymores were killed (if I recall correctly), which means Ophelia in the flashback of Miata has joined the fourth rank afterwards.

[Sess]

Sorry for making you type something I'm not going to read, Segan. I realized that since I've been reading the US released English volumes of Claymore which are only up to volume nine, that there are obviously many more volumes in existence that I haven't read yet. And so, I am sequestering myself from all Claymore discussions until I catch up. So what groups are releasing the best Claymore scans?

[Segan]

Don't know about the scanlation group, but all the chapters are available at www.onemanga.com

You can only read it online.

But that all isn't going to matter since there is also a thread where you can download the manga: http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=7306817&postcount=1

[Elijah Snow]

Umm there is a Claymore thread on these boards, you know that right?

[Segan]

I know, there's a Claymore appreciation thread, but I didn't find it. Something must be wrong with my eyes, I guess?

[Muk]

the files for all the claymore stuff is in the first thread of the claymore ANIME thread.

so if you are looking for ddl of claymore look at the ANIME thread not the manga thread XD

but what has this to do with berserk? XD

man i want another chapter already ... that ship battle was awesome ...

it was like bam ... ship sunk ... *err wow * bam! ... ship sunk .. *OMGWTFBBQ HAXXX000RRR* we are screwed ....

that's the feeling i got off those scenes... XD

[Segan]

Well, I expect some semi-serious battle with the pirate captain clinging on a piece of wood while floating on water at the end of the battle.

[Sess]

Oi, maybe the Capn's gonna join ol' Gut's crew, eh?

Hmm, I wonder what kind of reactions would we get from the Capn seenig Guts do what he does best?

[Segan]

Hmm, I wonder what kind of reactions would we get from the Capn seenig Guts do what he does best?

The same as everyone else who sees it for the first time...an astounded look.

[Sess]

I was sorta fishing for humorous quotes of the Cap'n with his funny pirate accent.

[Segan]

Quotes no one is gonna understand with that fishy dialect mumbling...

[Timur Lane]

I gotta ask, what is this Lost Chapter of Berserk i have heard of??

[Segan]

Chapter 83, when Griffith meets Berserk's equivalent of God, the "Idea of Evil" during his rebirth as Femto.

Don't ask me where to get that chapter. I don't know either and I won't bother since I've read it long ago.

[Crimson Dragoon]

I think the lost chapter is in Mangavolume.com.

[Muk]

hmm i feel like reading all the good old chapters again ... does stoptazmo or mangatraders have the manga up?

[Elijah Snow]

Chapter 83, when Griffith meets Berserk's equivalent of God, the "Idea of Evil" during his rebirth as Femto.

Don't ask me where to get that chapter. I don't know either and I won't bother since I've read it long ago.

The Pimping Project has it.

[Sess]

Muk: You mean to say you don't have all 288 chapters on your hard drive? For shame! :P

[Yakuza]

When was the last chapter out?? :huh
I got completely lost

[Elijah Snow]

^About a few weeks ago, maybe 2.

[Crimson Dragoon]

Oh, those crazy pirates.

[SigbinPuti™]

when does berserk come out monthly?

[Segan]

Varies. The usual schedule would be every two weeks, but Miura delayed some issues more often than usual recently.

Next issue should come in September.

[Yakuza]

Next issue should come in September.
thats the only thing I hate about Berserk... it takes way too long for each chapter to comeout..
recently have been the most annoying.. .time gaps between the chapters is killing me :cry

however, the end product is always satisfactory

[Dream Brother]

I adore this series.

By far the best Manga I've ever read. Just a massive shame that the Anime was so short -- I loved it.

[Segan]

Oh, first an essay on Hinata, now passing by here?

You are welcome :)

[Dream Brother]

Haha, thanks. I'm looking around the forum a little more, as I've been completely stuck to the Library for too long, I think; it's good to see so many people here who appreciate this great series.

[Yakuza]

I adore this series.

By far the best Manga I've ever read. Just a massive shame that the Anime was so short -- I loved it.

Nice to know that, its my favourite too...
and the anime, I dont knwo, never got into it at all

[Segan]

Anime is crappy. But that might be just me.

But you know, I'm never gonna forgive them for leaving Wyald out of the whole Griffith-rescue arc. It literally turned the whole thing into shit for me.

And if people say, "but the eclipse was good" or something and I try to watch it through, I bet, I'm gonna end up saying "that was shit, too!"...

[Yakuza]

And if people say, "but the eclipse was good" or something and I try to watch it through, I bet, I'm gonna end up saying "that was shit, too!"...

Save yourself from watching it..... its shit

[Muk]

I liked the anime as much as the manga

it might have minute things different from the manga, but nothing to major, also animated fight scenes are always better then just reading frames.

but that's me

[Yakuza]

I have to agree with Segan and shit on the animated version....
Manga >>> Anime in 95% of occasions

[Dream Brother]

But you know, I'm never gonna forgive them for leaving Wyald out of the whole Griffith-rescue arc. It literally turned the whole thing into shit for me.

I have to agree with Segan and shit on the animated version....
Manga >>> Anime in 95% of occasions

I saw the anime before I read the manga, and so I didn't realize what I'd unfortunately missed out on until much later.

The manga is downright beautiful.

[Yakuza]

I saw the anime before I read the manga, and so I didn't realize what I'd unfortunately missed out on until much later.

The manga is downright beautiful.

well, now I must beleive you rate the manga above the anime right?

[Dream Brother]

Definitely.

The anime will, however, always be important to me because it was the very first time I was exposed to Berserk; but it can’t compare to the manga. Even if Miura’s art wasn’t stunning -- and it certainly is -- I’ve yet to read another series which surpasses it in the spheres of plot and characterization.

[Yakuza]

Indeed... this is the reason Berserk is my favourite manga of all time....
everything seems to be perfect...

[Jotun]

The anime was good for what it was. I personally loved the music and feeling to it. It was just a little piece of the pie and it was still good imo. Of course there is the blatant disregard for the manga plotline, but lets be realistic there would be no way for a Berserk anime to exist if it followed the plot/did not end early.
Plus que in the limits anime have on gore and such. You make it sound like a travesty and it offends me seeing as how I still enjoy it (although I enjoy the manga on a much higher level)

[Segan]

Sorry, if you feel offended, Jotun. I just can't enjoy the anime, that's why my statements are so harsh, when it comes to Berserk anime.

[G@R-chan]

I didn't watch the anime and doesn't feel like doing it. But Berserk is certainly my all-time favourite manga by far. Nothing come close to its awesomeness, Guts is da man.

[Yakuza]

I didn't watch the anime and doesn't feel like doing it. But Berserk is certainly my all-time favourite manga by far. Nothing come close to its awesomeness, Guts is da man.

try the anime...
some people liked it...

I hated it, but thats just my opinion...

[Muk]

berserk anime was in a late night slot, but not late enough to show all the gory stuff

so i gotta settle with what i get animated from the berserk manga, and it was enjoyable and entertaining

[Elijah Snow]

I've never bothered to watch the anime, heard from a lot of people that it sucked.

[Yakuza]

I've never bothered to watch the anime, heard from a lot of people that it sucked.

well, dont bother... :lmao

[Zephos]

I've never bothered to watch the anime, heard from a lot of people that it sucked.

Buy the Soundtrack though.
Aside from the hilariously bad Opening and Ending Themes its really really good.
Otherwise the anime is just "meh".

[Dream Brother]

Buy the Soundtrack though.
Aside from the hilariously bad Opening and Ending Themes its really really good.
Otherwise the anime is just "meh".

Yeah, I have to agree. It fits the tone of the manga perfectly, particularly the 'Behelit' track -- I often listen to it while reading chapters. I have to say, though, I don't like 'Forces'.

You can hear the above tracks (and a few others) here (http://www.berserkstatues.com/player.swf).

[Elijah Snow]

The soundtrack was worth listening to? Then I'll check it out.

[Yakuza]

Right, to be very honest I didnt like the soundtrack either :sag

[Jotun]

The Author himself created the series while listening to the sounds of Susumu Hirasawa, who has done the anime sound tracks and game soundtracks at the request of Miura. You could say some stuff wouldn't be the same without that inspiration.

[Yakuza]

The Author himself created the series while listening to the sounds of Susumu Hirasawa, who has done the anime sound tracks and game soundtracks at the request of Miura. You could say some stuff wouldn't be the same without that inspiration.

he could be listening to teletubbies theme.. whatever it was that helped the manga must made M have a orgasm....


too bad I didnt like it :(

[Haruko]

I just read all of it up to the pirates. AWESOME. And ignore the anime.

[Yakuza]

lol, I need to download the recent chapters....

[Auron]

I liked the anime, probably because I watched it before I read the manga. If I watched it after reading the manga I don't think I would've liked the anime. Probably because the manga owns it in every way shape and form.

[Yakuza]

I watched it after reading it, what a mistake.. :lmao

[Ero_Sennin]

I need to catch up with the parts after:

the whole trying to acquire a ship thing to reach Elfhame or whatever


Anyone know if there have been any plans to make a more complete anime version of Berserk?

[Crimson Dragoon]

I watched it after reading it, what a mistake.. :lmao

Wow, that sucks. You must have been very pissed off.

[Elijah Snow]

Shit, I know I would have been.

[Yakuza]

lol, this is like the 10th time I talk about how the anime sucks...

[Crimson Dragoon]

It sucks compared to the manga, true. But on its own, the anime isn't that bad.

[Batman]

How many volumes does this manga have? I've only read through vol 31.

[Segan]

As far as I know, only vol. 31 has been published. 32 might be coming soon, though. Either we are at the end of what's supposed to be vol. 32 (chapter 288) or we are over that already.

[Voynich]

Oh man, I'm so far behind D: I'm only just starting on volume 19. I could never quite get into it before, but it's awesome stuff.

Anyone know if the Berserk pimping thing is still active?

[Dream Brother]

19? I envy you, you have a lot of quality reading to enjoy.

And on another note, is that lyrics by The Smiths that I see in your sig? Yum.

[Voynich]

19? I envy you, you have a lot of quality reading to enjoy.

And on another note, is that lyrics by The Smiths that I see in your sig? Yum.

Ah yeah it seems so. My torrents for 19-27 just finished so I'll have something to do tomoz while I avoid more important tasks.

It is. I'd also do Morrisey if he wasn't gay. I'm always out of luck :oh

[Segan]

Oh man, I'm so far behind D: I'm only just starting on volume 19. I could never quite get into it before, but it's awesome stuff.

Anyone know if the Berserk pimping thing is still active?

No idea, since I buy the real stuff anyway.

If you, by any chance, want to read online, check out

www.onemanga.com

and

http://manga.bleachexile.com

They have all the chapters online.

[Voynich]

Ah thanks. I read it at onemanga but they stopped at the end of vol 18 and skip to the current chaps. I'd buy it cause it's damn good, but manga is kinda hard to get around here. 3 hour drive to the nearest shop that has a decent amount of manga. Dark Horse stuff is nearly impossible to get around here.

[Segan]

You might want to get it online.

[MdB]

When it comes to downloading manga. #Lurk (http://gotlurk.net/) is your best friend.

[Sess]

ATTENTION: To everyone complaining about how much they hate the anime, please keep it to yourself. Let's keep this thread on a higher level than 95% of all other Naruto threads where most people just complain about one thing or another.

You people have no idea how much you can damage someone's viewing experience by telling them how much you think a show sucks before they've watched it. This has happened to me. I've been a little ways into some anime and someone tells me they thought it sucked. For the rest of the show, those thoughts were in the back of my mind, and they made me look for things to dislike. I kept wondering what was wrong with the show. It really damaged my experience which had been very good until someone decided to run their mouth. I'm sure some people are more sensitive to this than others.

I watched the Berserk anime and I absolutely loved it. Sure, the animation was cheap and there were some other issues, but so what? You people that judge anime based on the budget sure have a lot to learn. I'm sure most of us on this thread agree that Berserk is one of the best stories out there, right? So then why did Berserk have such a small budget? Why did they run out of money before they even got to the 26th episode? If I were to judge Berserk based on it's budget, I'd have to conclude that the story must not have been very good and the manga wasn't very popular. But I'd be dead wrong, wouldn't I. Good thing I don't judge anime based on budgets...

As for the various changed to story for the anime, they were necessary. With such a small budget and no idea if a second season would ever happen, they needed to make the first season self contained. So a few characters were left out and a few things were rearranged. If they got a second season, those characters would have been introduced then. Flash backs would have been used to fill in the blanks. So what if the story was slightly out of order, it's still all there. The creators did the best they could with what they had. And they did a very good job.

The story, the voices, and the music were all excellent. To this day, Berserk is one of my top five favorite anime. I watched it the first time through in just a couple of days. When I finished it, I immediately downloaded all the manga, which was up to volume 26 at the time, and started reading from the beginning. As I went through the pages, I could hear the characters voices in my head and the great music in the background. Everything I felt from the anime came back to me in the manga and more. It was wonderful. Since then I have watched the anime through two more times with different people and plan to watch it again with another friend who's never seen it.

I'm sorry some of you have such distaste for the anime, but I really think your hatred is misplaced. Does the anime really hurt you that much? Does watching it somehow take away from the manga? It's not like it's brainwashing you. The manga is still there. It's not going anywhere. You're just getting another take on the story, with added animation (cheap as it may be), voices, and music. I've never understood the whole manga-purist thing. Yes, I get it, the anime changed this, added that, removed this. So what? You have the manga! You know the other version. So now you know two versions. Good for you! Who's been hurt by this?

But hey, if some of you don't like the anime, that's fine. It really is. You don't have to watch it. But please don't post in this thread about how much you hate it. That doesn't do anybody any good whatsoever. Let's keep this thread positive. Let's keep talking about all the great things Berserk has to offer. Let's remember why we love Berserk!

[Segan]

@Sess:

Good for you. It wasn't good for me. But to declare that as "hatred" is quite a bit of a strong word...

I can see, that you have only the best intents, but it's the same as saying "shut the hell up", no matter how politely you ask. This is a thread to post anything related to Berserk, and individual opinions are part of it. If it's negative, so what?
There are people disliking the anime and there are people liking it. We have both sides. What's wrong about that?

It hurts your experience? Sorry, I don't buy that. At all.

One will form an opinion about an anime he watched, and it will basically be the same, regardless what he heard about it.

[Sess]

Segan: I wasn't responding only to you. If you read some of the other posts, you'll find genuine hatred of the anime.

Upon rereading my previous post, I admit that I was a little heated when I wrote that. So if it came off like "shut the hell up" then I'm sorry. That wasn't my intent. I learned a long time ago that telling someone to "shut the hell up" will pretty much always have the opposite effect than intended.

I understand what you're saying about this thread being general Berserk discussion, but I just don't think that bashing the anime adds any value to this thread. All I really saw was the formation of a divide between the people that like it and the people that don't.

It's not even that people said they didn't like the anime or that they preferred one to the other that bothered me. It's how much anger some people were putting behind it, calling the anime shit and stuff like that. Think about that. I say I like the anime and the next person says that it's shit. Well that's not a very friendly conversation, is it? Down that way lies the flaming threads, and I'd just prefer to steer clear of those.

Maybe if we were on the Hawks forums it would be different. There could be threads where people talk about how much they love the anime and others where people talk about how much they hate it. They could hang out in their separate threads and enjoy each other's company and all that. But since we're all here in this one thread, don't you think it's a good idea for all of us to try to get along and be friendly, or at least cordial?

As for you opinions on viewing experience, I really have to disagree with you on that one. Are you saying you really don't think someone's preconceptions of a show has any affect on their viewing experience? Really? Like I said before, I'm sure some people are more sensitive to that than others. But you "don't buy that. At all?" Really?? I mean, I told you what happened to me. Do you think I made it up? Yes, in the end I decided I liked the anime and just had a difference of opinion with the other person, but it most certainly affected my viewing experience. So much so that since then I've made a policy not to talk about shows I'm watching until I'm finished with them or at least caught up.

Anyway Segan, I like you buddy. I don't have a problem disagreeing with you because I know I can discuss it with you in a friendly manner. So please don't think our difference of opinion on this matter will have any impact on any future, friendly discourse.

[Segan]

Oh, don't worry, I'm certainly not the one going unfriendly. It just happens that my opinion can be unfriendly, but don't let it bother you. I'm trying my best not to get out of my way of polite manners in speaking. Or at least not to be unpolite.

As for other people expressing "hatred", I'll admit that some didn't say too "nice" things. I overlooked that when I wrote my answer. I'm guilty.

But I really don't buy that all the bad talking about the anime hurt your experience. Maybe it's just that I don't let it get me too much when I watch an anime. Some people said, one anime was good and when I watched it, I didn't like it much. It also happened the other way around.

Really, it doesn't matter. If you really tried hard to find anything that would bother you by watching anime then, in my opinion, you weren't so much interested out of curiosity rather than you wanted to be able to confirm or to refute the negative opinion you received.

Not the best attitude to watch anime. But that's just my opinion, and I'm sure, you will strongly disagree. :wink

[Zephos]

Jesus, shut up Sess.

[Segan]

Jesus, shut up Sess.

Now that was completely uncalled for.

[Zephos]

Two gigantic Pipboy size rants about why expressing negative opinions is bad, we could go for worse.

[Sess]

Really, it doesn't matter. If you really tried hard to find anything that would bother you by watching anime then, in my opinion, you weren't so much interested out of curiosity rather than you wanted to be able to confirm or to refute the negative opinion you received.

Not the best attitude to watch anime. But that's just my opinion, and I'm sure, you will strongly disagree. :winkYou know what, you may be right about that. I guess if I'm watching an anime and enjoying it and someone rails at the anime, maybe I take it a little too personally. If someone says the anime I'm enjoying is shit, well that must mean I have shitty taste in anime, and that's insulting.

So yeah, in that case while watching it I might be looking for ways to confirm or deny that, instead of just sitting back and enjoying it the same. But still, who says I'm the only person that's like that. Aren't a lot of anime/manga lovers fairly protective of the stories they watch? Wouldn't that make them susceptible to this problem?

[Segan]

Well, I doubt that this thread is THAT frequently visited that you would have to worry about lots of people's feelings being hurt by negative opinions about anime.

Anyway, I can't really help it. Every time I think about the anime I tried to watch I get kind of angry. Small budget or not, Berserk definitely deserved something better than that.

But then again, I'm probably just a nitpicker.

[Voynich]

Honestly, I liked it alot, but that's probably because I watched it before I started reading. Berserk did deserve better though, in hindsight. That said, I still love it. It was good introduction to the series, the ost was awesome and somehow I do feel seeing it all animated added a bit to how I imagine the characters.

And fuck yes, finally caught up. 19 volumes yesterday and up till 33 today. *tired*

[Segan]

Did Berserk already hit vol. 33?

[Elijah Snow]

Technically it has, but vol.32 has not come out yet. So we won't really know the official volume numbering until 32 is out.

[Sess]

According to Evil_Genius, vol 33 started with ch 287.

Anyway, back to what's probably the last thing I have to say on the anime discussion. Yes, I agree that Berserk deserves more anime and at a higher quality, but I still love the existing anime and would choose it over nothing every time.

I guess that's the big difference. Some people see the anime and are glad it exists. Other see it and think it's not good enough to deserve existing. It also seems that this is often linked to whether someone sees the anime before they read the manga. And if you do see the anime first, you also seem to still enjoy it even after reading the manga.

I guess that pretty well sums it up. Oh well. The rest is just a difference of opinion.

[Elijah Snow]

^True Evil_Genius did that, but it's not official until we see the chapters that are in Vol.32. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[Segan]

According to Evil_Genius, vol 33 started with ch 287.

Anyway, back to what's probably the last thing I have to say on the anime discussion. Yes, I agree that Berserk deserves much better and a lot more anime than it has gotten, but I still love the anime and would chose it over nothing every time.

I guess that's the big difference. Some people see the anime and are glad it exists. Other see it and think it's not good enough to deserve existing. It also seems that this is often linked to whether someone sees the anime before they read the manga. And if you do see the anime first, you also seem to still enjoy it even after reading the manga.

I guess that pretty well sums it up. Oh well. The rest is just a difference of opinion.

True, it matters a lot if you watch the anime before or after reading the manga. Knowledge makes you a merciless judge.

[SigbinPuti™]

i tried to watch the anime after reading the manga but the gore violence and sex wasn't just enough. i should have watched it before reading

[MdB]

So when is it time for a new chapter release?

[Segan]

Dunno. I kinda lost the track with the recent chapters.

[Muk]

the chapter should be on regular schedule so monthly whenever that is

[Sess]

How do you know that Muk? I thought it changed around a lot. Sometimes every 2 weeks, sometimes every 2 months. You know..... I'd really love to see a timeline of releases to see for sure if there is any pattern whatsoever. Maybe I should look through all of Evil_Genius's releases and graph it or something...

[Elijah Snow]

It's true. Neither does Wyald.

[Coteaz]

Meh, I heard the Skull Knight doesn't appear in the anime.
Nope. At least Zodd does, though...

[Yakuza]

Meh, I heard the Skull Knight doesn't appear in the anime.

one of the main reasons the anime sucks

[Muk]

How do you know that Muk? I thought it changed around a lot. Sometimes every 2 weeks, sometimes every 2 months. You know..... I'd really love to see a timeline of releases to see for sure if there is any pattern whatsoever. Maybe I should look through all of Evil_Genius's releases and graph it or something...

err maybe cause there isn't anything on a big scale that requires more then 2 months worth of drawing by hand right now?

like the recent war massive battle was drawn all by hand and by a single person

that was the reason why it took like 3 months for a release

but now it's a battle on ship and it seems like it is taking less time, unless he's taking his time detailing some random ships it should be on regular monthly schedule

[Segan]

How do you know that Muk? I thought it changed around a lot. Sometimes every 2 weeks, sometimes every 2 months. You know..... I'd really love to see a timeline of releases to see for sure if there is any pattern whatsoever. Maybe I should look through all of Evil_Genius's releases and graph it or something...

Berserk's usual schedule would be bi-mothly. But lately, there have been long breaks.

If Miura continues to draw sceneries of large scope it will take longer than two weeks. And obviously, the next chapter will most likely drawn in an epic way, and with all the details Miura puts in, it's going to take longer than your average chapter.

[Sess]

Hmm. Kinda makes you wander if Miura ever really takes breaks.

[Arishem]

Gah, all this activity made me think that a new chapter was out, which is clearly not the case after looking through here. Reading bi-monthly and monthly mangas can be hard for a fan. Usually the art makes up for the wait, but sometimes you need to have that fix nicked. Rereading previous chapters doesn't cut it for me either. *sigh*

[yo586]

Gah, all this activity made me think that a new chapter was out, which is clearly not the case after looking through here. Reading bi-monthly and monthly mangas can be hard for a fan. Usually the art makes up for the wait, but sometimes you need to have that fix nicked. Rereading previous chapters doesn't cut it for me either. *sigh*

Agreed. It's rough when the only two mangas I really enjoy anymore are Vagabond and Berserk. Makes for some very sparse reading.

[Yakuza]

Berserk's usual schedule would be bi-mothly. But lately, there have been long breaks.

If Miura continues to draw sceneries of large scope it will take longer than two weeks. And obviously, the next chapter will most likely drawn in an epic way, and with all the details Miura puts in, it's going to take longer than your average chapter.


i 100% agree

[Elijah Snow]

The new chapter should be out later this month. God willing.

[Lusankya]

Wut the hell? Got my hope up for nothing....

[AbnormallyNormal]

wow i'm only on chap 224 but this is definitely an amazing manga, the art is super detailed but also very evocative and dramatic, i love when he makes gutts/gatts/gatsu's face get all fucking hostile when he's attacking bitches. the god hand all look badass as hell too, its like this dude never runs out of awesome new ideas to keep the story fresh and progressing forward... i never feel like its filler at all

[Segan]

Berserk is one of the best mangas in the world. There are few that can compare to Miura's best work.

One Piece might be one of them. Not because of the art, but because of the fact that Oda never runs out of creativity and steadily continues the storytelling on a constant level.

[MdB]

Still, there's no mangaka who in my honest opinion can match Naoki Urasawa in terms of actual writing and telling a story.

But how much weeks left, till a new chapter gets released? I lost count and need my Berserk fix.

[Segan]

Heh, true, Urasawa is top-class, too. But the genre doesn't appeal to me as much as Berserk does.

But Monster/20th Century Boys are easily on par with Berserk, there's no question.


I will check out the last page of the latest Berserk chapter. It usually shows when the next chapter comes out.

Edit: September 14th is the official release date. We will get the scanlation probably one week later, more or less. After all, EG will always take more time if they can get the job done with more quality.

[MdB]

Fuck yes! It's almost there than.

Segan, have you tried reading Pluto from Urasawa? It's a very, very, very good manga.

[Segan]

No, I haven't tried to read Pluto. And I won't try for the time being, since I only casually read the newest chapters week for week. I've other things to do.

[Totitos]

I´m in Chapter 140,Berserk is fuckin epic.

[Elijah Snow]

Good Job Enel, we need more Berserk readers.

[Totitos]

I hate all Gods hand,except Void.He looks badass.

[Segan]

Actually, Void is only my second favorite God Hand, after Slann.

Seriously, we need more of the epitome of feminine evilness.

[Muk]

what was the female god hand's name again?

i remember her messing with gutts in the troll cave and she wanted him to pierce her, even if it was his big ass sword and not his other thing =3

[Segan]

what was the female god hand's name again?

i remember her messing with gutts in the troll cave and she wanted him to pierce her, even if it was his big ass sword and not his other thing =3

...

God, I just called her name before and you still ask?

[jkingler]

I was thinking the same thing. :amuse

Slann is definitely a top-tier she-devil. :D

[AbnormallyNormal]

i am only on chapter 244 right now but i have a theory that void is the original god hand and somehow he and the skull knight used to be best friends, and they both started all this shit off when void betrayed him, i hope we get to see all that

[CJC]

Yeh I agree with Segan, Slann is defo the best of the God-Hand, she's evil yet so very sexy.

Anywhom, what are you guys hoping for when they reach Elfhelm? And how soon do you think that will be lol?

[Segan]

i am only on chapter 244 right now but i have a theory that void is the original god hand and somehow he and the skull knight used to be best friends, and they both started all this shit off when void betrayed him, i hope we get to see all that
I do think that Void is the first God Hand, but we know way too little about them in general to make assumptions. We only know that they were once mortal beings that ascended to godhood after their rebirths.

Yeh I agree with Segan, Slann is defo the best of the God-Hand, she's evil yet so very sexy.

Anywhom, what are you guys hoping for when they reach Elfhelm? And how soon do you think that will be lol?

It seems that Miura is taking his time, otherwise Guts' party would have reached Elfhelm by now. My guess is that it will take at least another two or three chapters for the confrontation with the pirates to conclude and in the next chapter they finally arrive at Skelling Island.

[Lusankya]

Just hope that miura doesn't kick the bucket before he finishes this.

[Segan]

I'm sure he can continue for five, ten years at least. :wink

[Yakuza]

oh god...
moving houses is awful :sweatdrop

no internet for me during this month :LOS

when is the next chap out???

[Segan]

Wait two weeks, and the chapter should be all ready.

[Yakuza]

sweet.... thanks segan..
btw, when was the last chap out... I got lost :lmao

and..
hows life going???

[Segan]

sweet.... thanks segan..
btw, when was the last chap out... I got lost :lmao
Quite a while ago. End of July, I think.

and..
hows life going???

Good, more or less.

[Yakuza]

cool...
well, hopefully ill be more active next month when my intarwebz is installed...

just in time for the next chap...

[Pintsize]

Personally, I think the attack at sea would be more in place coming back from Puck's island.

We've had nothing but battles lately :P

[Segan]

I'm thinking that the pirates have a purpose here. This is the second time that they appear as opponents.

I wouldn't be surprised if they become Guts' allies (or Roderick's) at some point of time.

[Pintsize]

While it's true that the pirates could have a purpose, I still think that purpose would be better served after Elf land.

The suspense is killing me here.

[Blaze of Glory]

Chapter 289 out yet?

[yo586]

Chapter is not out.

Do you guys think they will go into backstory on the human precursors to all the godhand? I think that would be excellent, especially on Slann and Void.

I wonder if/how they are ever going to be in an interesting fight, because their powers seem to be vast and not reserved to actual combat, they can make alot of random shit happen. Be interesting to see how it all pans out, Miura has alot of great options.

[jkingler]

Do you guys think they will go into backstory on the human precursors to all the godhand? I think that would be excellent, especially on Slann and Void.
I agree. I am more interested in Void's backstory, though, even though Slann's would definitely be boobalicious. XD I am afraid it might ruin her character for me, though, so Void Gaiden get!

I wonder if/how they are ever going to be in an interesting fight, because their powers seem to be vast and not reserved to actual combat, they can make alot of random shit happen. Be interesting to see how it all pans out, Miura has alot of great options.
Again, I'm with you here. I have loved what little action there's been already where they're concerned, so seeing them actually go at it is guaranteed to be epic. :spaz

[Blaze of Glory]

man, that'd be awesome if we could see the God Hand's backstory

[AbnormallyNormal]

can skull knight still do his crazy behelit sword interdimension slice attack? or was that already used up the first time he did it to save guts? because i think that might work vs godhands. and yeah i really want to know all about void he is definitely the most interesting godhand

[Elijah Snow]

We all know a Skull Night backstory will happen. The question is how long do you think that epic story will be?

[Agmaster]

Look, Berserk may be great, but the mangaka is going to die before it's done, leaving transcripts and ideas that will get butchered, so I can't even enjoy it.

[Sess]

Mr. Optimism

[Shikashi]

LOL Agmaster. You're right though, he does take a lot of time, I don't know if it's him striving for perfection or just being lazy. I'm currently reading Volume 10, started Berserk a couple of weeks ago. Whoever says this is the best manga ever... is correct! The art scared me at first because it wasn't what I'm used to, but now I love it to death, the amount of detail is just mindblowing, the story is also very, very good and, ya know... Caska is hot.

Why isn't there an Anime version of this? I mean, aside from the 90's version (or 80's, I dunno), isn't it successful or something? Kinda weird since the Manga is so good, I don't mind though, it's not like I'm gonna see it, unless they have a big budget and instead of episodes go for OVA's.

[MdB]

Why isn't there an Anime version of this? I mean, aside from the 90's version (or 80's, I dunno), isn't it successful or something? Kinda weird since the Manga is so good, I don't mind though, it's not like I'm gonna see it, unless they have a big budget and instead of episodes go for OVA's.

There could be a lot of reasons why they can't or will not make another season. Mainly because of the gore and art detail, but it's also very hard to animate something without an ending in sight (If they catch up, fillers or something along those lines could seriously damage the whole show). And Berserk is one of the most successful Seinen manga's in Japan.

[Segan]

There could be a lot of reasons why they can't or will not make another season. Mainly because of the gore and art detail, but it's also very hard to animate something without an ending in sight (If they catch up, fillers or something along those lines could seriously damage the whole show). And Berserk is one of the most successful Seinen manga's in Japan.

Yeah, fillers would be a bad idea. And on top of that, I bet, Miura takes a lot of pride in his work, so I doubt he would agree to having fillers that have nothing to do with the manga and make up stuff that he didn't implement in his story.

[Shikashi]

Makes sense. Good to know it's the most successful Seinen manga in Japan.

So... Volume 12, all of a sudden I think that hottie is gonna die, if she does I'm gonna kill Kentaro, no kidding. Good volume though, I like the designs that he comes up with, giant naked chicks.

[Lusankya]

Makes sense. Good to know it's the most successful Seinen manga in Japan.

So... Volume 12, all of a sudden I think that hottie is gonna die, if she does I'm gonna kill Kentaro, no kidding. Good volume though, I like the designs that he comes up with, giant naked chicks.

You are in for a ride next volume. Brace yourself.

[Shikashi]

Starting Volume 14 now, is it just me or Berserk makes the reader fucking angry? I've never felt anything towards a Manga character until now... the Hell? Anyway, she didn't die, it wasn't as bad as it could've been, still, Griffith is a piece of shit. I really like the Skull guy, he's kinda... "funny"? Cool character, definitely.

[Segan]

Glad to see that you enjoy Berserk. By the way, are you aware that Skull Knight (most likely) is Emperor Geiserich from 1000 years ago? One should notice that during the rescue arc already...

[Shikashi]

No, I really wasn't, thanks!

Alright, finished Volume 17 now, so far I've been enjoying it like crazy. Too bad I can't download anymore for a few hours, I've reached my 10 files per day limit, gotta wait till 3 am : |.

One thing that keeps pissing me off is the Caska's rape scene flashback, enough of it already man, you want me to start punching walls or something? Another one is... he goes back and forth a lot, I don't really consider it annoying or anything, but kicks ya off track sometimes, I see Gatts kick some fat dude's ass in the first or second volume (really gross), then he switches to the Hawks Arc, then some other shit, then back to the Hawks again. He kinda likes to toy with you, ya know? But it's all good, aside from that lady who wanted to be cut in half because she was horny or something like that. Let's see if nothing happens that lets me down, you guys probably finished up the 31st volume by now, right? Is he any close to Griffith by then? I remember seeing Griffith way back in the first volumes already a Devil king, but he went nuts on me and started giving out back-story.

[James]

you guys probably finished up the 31st volume by now, right? Is he any close to Griffith by then?

To save you the disappointment he's virtually no closer than he ever has been.

[Shikashi]

Damn, well at least it looks like he'll get a new armour, pretty cool one at that.

Thanks.

[maximilyan]

where i can get the latest chapters of the manga? .. i'm up to vol 27

:nuts your avatar is the greatest :cry

anyway.. on topic .. i se a lot of people saying its teh best manga ever etc etc.. i'm def going to have to start downloading em.

[Voynich]

It IS the best manga ever. Period.

[MdB]

Damn, well at least it looks like he'll get a new armour, pretty cool one at that.

Thanks.

That armor makes the gap between him and death even closer. It litterly fucks him up.

[Segan]

I hope you all will buy the real volumes sometime, and not just download them.

But yeah, the Berserker Armor is really dangerous. Since Guts is already nearly superhuman to begin with, the armor increases his physical prowess vastly and enables him to one-shot a lot of the Apostles, he would take down only after a wear'n'tear-fight otherwise. But that power comes with a high price: losing humanity and the risk of breaking one's self to death.

[Voynich]

They're so worth the money, but I'd have to get them on Ebay with ridiculous rip-off shipping to Europe.

I wonder if he would honestly attack the rest if Schierke isn't able to get him out of it in time. He's using it way more often than he should so I don't think it'll be long before he goes on a rampage.

[Segan]

Guts would have killed the party if it wasn't for the mysterious spirit (which is supposedly the mysterious long- and black-haired child). The effects of the armor are really nothing to joke about.

He could kill his own friends and eventually himself. I think, they will have to take precautions, if there aren't any better options than the Berserker Armor. But then again, maybe you can't really take any due to the nature of the armor.

[MdB]

Am I the only one who thinks Gutts is going to end up dead in his Berserker armor? He needs to transcend his humanity before he can stand a decent change against a deity like a God Hand.

[Shikashi]

I'd be more than happy to buy the Volumes, but they are a rip-off like Voynich said, I'll wait until the Manga stores over here start importing it, way cheaper and saves me the hassle of going to the post office.

On the Berserk Amor, you know a lot more than I do, but making Gutts go as far as trying to rape Caska can't mean it's very good for him. Yes, I used wikipedia, I probably should wait 'til I get them volumes though, but the bloody game spoiled it for me, at first I thought I was looking at Griffith.

[Voynich]

Well most of the Apostles and some of the Godhand already seem to consider Guts on a level above mere humanity. But yeah, the armor is breaking him down slowly.

I think when he gets to close to being able to defeat the Godhand the Behelit will give him the option of becoming something on par with them or even one of them in return for sacrifice. Depending on how far the armor has taken over he might actually give in if he was given the choice. Or at least that's what I suspect will happen. Otherwise I can't actually see a legitimate way for him to get on Godhand level.

[CJC]

Although the Berserker Armor is really dangerous to the party, however it's necessary and without it they would all be long dead. It's not all bad though Schierke can draw him back from the brink although it's risky to do so.

Anywho, wouldn't say Berserk is the "best" seinen manga currently, there are other amazing ones, such as Vagabond.