Berserk Discussion Thread

[ifira]

In any case, the behelith only activated, when touched by blood. Desire or not.

It happened with the Count, Griffith and Rosine. Once they dropped blood on the behelith, the God Hand appeared.

But it's true, those situations only happened when they were desperate.

and if they are the chosen ones

[Segan]

and if they are the chosen ones

Yes, that's what Flora said. But I'm curious what happens, if Guts drops his own blood on the behelith...

Skull Knight already showed us, that the behelith can be used for other things than for summoning...just see his behelith-sword...

There might be more to the behelith than we know.

[Greatwolf7]

Ummmmm the counts blood didnt touch the behelit

[Segan]

Ummmmm the counts blood didnt touch the behelit

Then go read the third volume...

[Greatwolf7]

I did check page 101 and 102 no blood touches it.

[Segan]

I did check page 101 and 102 no blood touches it.

Third volume, pages 54 and 55. And I can tell you for sure that the count's blood touched it, because I read all 29 volumes over many dozen times...

There's barely one thing I don't remember about Berserk.

[Greatwolf7]

lollllll idiot thats the first behilit go to the part where there is a flash back about how he became an apostle in the first place.

JUST TO LET YOU ALL KNOW WHEN EVER THE ACCOUNT BECOMES AN APOSTLE BLOOD DOESNT TOUCH IT. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME NOT WHEN HE IS FIGHTING GUTS. AROUND PAGE 100 IN VOLUME 3 IT SHOWS A FLASH BACK OF HOW HE BECAME IN APOSTLE IN THE FIRST PLACE___________

[Greatwolf7]

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/1350/behelitkw4.th.png (http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=behelitkw4.png)

[MdB]

Berserk 279 by evil-genius (http://bt.mindwerks.net:60000/files/torrents/%5BEvil_Genius%5DBerserk_v32c279.rar.torrent)

Btw no need to call him an idiot.

[Segan]

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/1350/behelitkw4.th.png (http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=behelitkw4.png)

Well, there was no blood this time, but I think of it more as an inconsistent factor in the story. Because in the other three times blood was always involved.

Anyway, I'm not that confident anymore. The point goes to you... ^^

[Zaru]

Omg at 279. What serious shit is gonna stop that army?

Is there a possibility for the hawks coming and beating the shit out the Kushans?

[MdB]

Omg at 279. What serious shit is gonna stop that army?

The hawks.

[Segan]

Omg at 279. What serious shit is gonna stop that army?

Is there a possibility for the hawks coming and beating the shit out the Kushans?

Of course. What else did they came for?

[Greatwolf7]

Lol thanx i was getting annoyed cuz you were lookin at the wrong thing. But yeah THANX FOR CHAPTER 279.

When do new chapters come out? once a week like naruto?

Probably not?

[ifira]

band of the hawks will definitely come and crush them. *tremble at the expected details of this upcoming battle.*

LOL

[Segan]

In best cases, Berserk chapters come out every two weeks.

[Death]

can someone upload 279 to rapidshare please. I can't use torrents.

[Zaru]

can someone upload 279 to rapidshare please. I can't use torrents.

But can you use IRC?

[Freija]

that army isn't exactly what you call small.

[MdB]

The scale of that army reminds me of the LOTR movies.

[Segan]

Well, that's something you should expect from a kingdom that claims to be the greatest one in the world.

[Kepa]

Well, that's something you should expect from a kingdom that claims to be the greatest one in the world.but still I didn't expect them to be drawn so detailed... what a great mangaka berserk has :nuts

[Greatwolf7]

Okay lol we get it they have amazing fuck your computer your so happ detail in berserk. Lol Thanx for the info Mr.segan i apreciate it.

I got a question. Didn't the mage girl say this is who i'm destined to or something like that about Guts? I remeber her saying something like that. What does that meen? like they are gonna get hooked?

Of course i may just be imagining things and some else said something like about something else.

Go to smoothie king get a fairy doodoo shake-drink it-seriously its so good

[Segan]

What should Guts be destined to? As far as I know Guts is said to be the one who escaped his own destiny...

[ifira]

perhaps she is the one to help Guts, or sth along that line.

my two cents =)

[Segan]

Ah, you mean, that Schierke and Guts were destined to meet each other? It was Flora, the witch, who said it...

[MdB]

So the idea of evil let them meet each other.

Hopefully were going to see ganishka apostle form.

[Corum]

can someone upload 279 to rapidshare please. I can't use torrents.

http://rapidshare.de/files/32783857/berserk_279.rar.html

[Greatwolf7]

ahh i thot they meant like they were destined to like be together you know intametly<spelled wrong for sure

CHICKEN DOODOO!!!!!!!!

[ifira]

Ah, you mean, that Schierke and Guts were destined to meet each other? It was Flora, the witch, who said it...

that's not what i mean, but schierke is there to guide guts, like to help her. like how she and guts defeat the tornado guy. *sorry for forgeting the name*

prevent guts from turning into a berserker or sth.

[Greatwolf7]

Guide eh? i think Guts is a pedafile and like 12 year old witches

[Corum]

Guide eh? i think Guts is a pedafile and like 12 year old witches

Blasphemy!

[Greatwolf7]

lol i guess it it

[Greatwolf7]

maybe lol .......

[big nate]

is there any point in the manga when "neo" griffith acttualy picks up a sword and fight.
Im starting to think his only power is to make monsters out of people to do his biding and look cool
he doesnt seem to even acknowledge guts as an legitimate enemy.

[Greatwolf7]

Dude for real Read volume 3---- Gutz cant even touch him.....He barely did last time. Griffith barely moved and gutz was thrown about 100 feet into concrete wall. But maybe with his new armor he be able to get a good hit on him. And maybe by that time his cursed weapon will be strong enough from slaying apostles it may actually do some damage also

The armor will help him ignore the pain of getting near griffith

[JB the Jedi]

Man Just started reading Berserk.
Some Pretty downright Graphic shit.

Awesome manga. This will be in my top 10 pretty soon.

[Greatwolf7]

GOD DAMN STRAIGHT!!!!!!!!! ITS THE BESTY

BEST MAnGASSSS

BERSERK!!!!!!!!
GANTZ
FRESSIA

[Greatwolf7]

280 should be out soon wtf?

[Dagda_Mor]

280 should be out soon wtf?
You may have noticed the note at the end of 279- instead of saying "next ish at such and such a date", it says "See you next time!" Unfortunately, we've got no idea when "next time" will be. Hopefully soon...

On another note, I have a small question to pose to you, my fellow berserk fans. The seven deadly sins are Sloth, Gluttony, Pride, Wrath, Lust, Greed and Envy. If you were to assign these sins among the God Hand, Emperor Ganishka and the Skull Knight (assuming he truly is Gaiseric), which would you assign to whom? For example, I would assign Femto the sin of envy above all the others (I saw him as envying Guts and Caska for their relationship and physical well-being), but arguments can also be made for pride, lust, greed, etc.

Note: The reason I'm asking your opinions on this is to get thoughts for a project of mine. (See sig)

[MdB]

hmm that is hard to say especially for the god hand

Femto - Envy/Gluttony
Void - Pride
Slan - Lust/Envy
Conrad - Sloth
Ubik - Wrath
Ganishka - Pride/Greed
Skull Knight - Gluttony

[blevironman]

please send berserk packs 8,9,and 10

[clouded_fate]

skull knight would either get pride or wrath.
ganishka would probably be pride
ubik(the plague guy, i beleive) would be...sloth?
conrad(i might have mixed up conrad and ubik) would be greed
slan is lust, easy
void and femto, i'm not sure

anyways, about how long is it between chapters? a month?

[JB the Jedi]

Done with Volume 1. wow now I know how it got it's title, but this series is Awesome.

[the_invisible_men]

after reading all of these comments... i believe i will start reading Berserk. I hope it'll be worth my time =0

[escamoh]

please send berserk packs 8,9,and 10
Wrong thread. Look for the one that says Berserk Pimping Project.

after reading all of these comments... i believe i will start reading Berserk. I hope it'll be worth my time =0
Trust me, you'll love this manga.

[Jin-E]

Excuse me if this is a dumb question. You see i recently started reading this Manga and im currently at chapter 10 (where there is some serious gay porn going on:oh)

Anyway the question is back in chapter 2. Gutts and the fairy accompanies two people-one priest and his daughter. They later stop because Gutts fight a bunch of skeletons. A little later we see that the Priests daughter cut her dads head off and make a evil grin. Was she evil or did something posess her to do that?

[Dagda_Mor]

I thought it was pretty obvious that she'd been possessed by a ghost/evil spirit. It happens repeatedly throughout the series.

[Segan]

Yeah, it should be obvious that she was possessed. But in my case it was the graveyard scene in the count arc that made me realize what really happened with the innocent girl earlier.

Or more like that scene showed how such things happen...

[clouded_fate]

it was quite obvious. the girl was much like the skeletons, she died with regret, and so became a monster.

anyways, has muira made any other mangas?

[Segan]

He has.

Japan and Oh Roh Den 1+2.

There's a huge guy as a main character that reminds a lot of Guts. Even though this one must be at least 7 feets tall and has a more kind attitude.

[ydraliskos]

Miura you bastard, you just know how to make the fanboys happy, don't cha?


Gutts riding Zodd, jesus christ, that was cool

[Midus]

Has anyone ever seen the Hellraiser series. It reminds me of Berserk. I see some similarites between the Cenobites and the Gods.

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/9031/hrcfold1280to1.th.jpg (http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrcfold1280to1.jpg)

[Segan]

What about the Hellraisers? Never heard of it...

[Kepa]

What about the Hellraisers? Never heard of it...it's a horror movie (http://www.imdb.com/find?s=all&q=hellraiser) (well a couple of them)
they're not bad.... it's just that I'm not a big fan of those type of horror movies

[Zack_Strife]

Berserk is fucking awesome.
I first read it via the pimping project here and basically dumped it when Guts was raped as a kid. However I spotted a torrent link for volume 1 to 28 and decided to give it another shot.
I dunno if the files where in the wrong order or what, but what was marked as volume 1 started out with Guts as an adult and the rape didn't come until later which let me ease into it. It's been fucking superb since then. I got a total boner when Guts went toe to toe with Zodd on the sword cemetery hill. Man I love anything involving Guts and Zodd. My head damn near exploded when they teamed up.

[Segan]

why did you dump it at the point he was raped? There was only one or two panels that showed explicit scenes...
The following story was one of the best arcs in Berserk ever (storywise). The only arc that was nearly as good as the old Hawks arc was the Albion arc.

[Dagda_Mor]

why did you dump it at the point he was raped? There was only one or two panels that showed explicit scenes...
The following story was one of the best arcs in Berserk ever (storywise). The only arc that was nearly as good as the old Hawks arc was the Albion arc.

Some people find the concept of rape repulsive on a moral level and don't enjoy stories containing it. I know this must seem strange.

[Segan]

Some people find the concept of rape repulsive on a moral level and don't enjoy stories containing it. I know this must seem strange.

Nah, I'm enjoying stories more if adult themes are contained. It gives more aspects to the story as a whole.

And it's a bit controversial if you enjoy scenes full of blood and tore flesh while you find rape scenes (especially homo) disguisting...

[Zack_Strife]

why did you dump it at the point he was raped? There was only one or two panels that showed explicit scenes...
The following story was one of the best arcs in Berserk ever (storywise). The only arc that was nearly as good as the old Hawks arc was the Albion arc.

I had only ever read stuff like Naruto and Bleach up until then so it was a pretty big leap going from that to Berserk's stabbing and shagging ways. I just got creeped out by seeing a kid getting raped and decided it wasn't for me. You can say what you want about violence but I can understand violence more than I can possibly hope to understand rape. Anyway, I can deal with it now because the volume set I downloaded somewhat eased into the the subject.

[Segan]

Well, I hope you are prepared to see more explicit scenes...not like it happens in every volume and it's not all rape, but probably often enough for you. Especially when it comes to the process to the point where Guts gets his appearance he has today.

But Guts' combat performances make up for all of it anyway ^^

[Zack_Strife]

You mean the Eclipse? I've read it all up to the latest chapter. TBH I tend to go "oh, rape" and skim the pages just fast enough to pick up any important dialogue etc.

[Segan]

What the hell...they were the best pages in the whole eclipse...^^

Anyway, I wonder if Miura won't focus the story on the war between Kushans and Midland after that last chapter. But even if he doesn't we will probably see Ganishka and Griffith clashing. This would be a good time to show off Griffith's power as a human reborn God Hand.
I'm still a bit doubting his absolute superiority to the human world and the fact that there's an apostle who is rebelling against his own master tells me that there's not really too much behind his brilliant appearance of Griffith's. At least not so much that Ganishka couldn't hope to successfully go up against him. So I would like to see something that backs up what he actually is: a God Hand in the body of a human.

[Zack_Strife]

Yeah I was kinda wtf about Ganishka too. Do the Apostles serve the Godhand as a whole or do they serve individual Godhand?
I'm kinda stumped as to how Guts will ever manage to take on Griffith. Even with the Berserk armour he's probably only on equal footing with the Apostles in general, maybe even enough to fight evenly with Zodd's released form. I'm also wondering what the deal is with the Skull Knight. He isn't an Apostle, he isn't branded, he doesn't appear to be witch related so what the hell is he?

[Segan]

Maybe it has to do with the Berserker Armor. I'm sure there must be a reason why Skullknight has a skeleton appearance just like the armor did before Guts wore it.
It has magical powers such as releasing all of human power resources, but it seems that it also drains senses like taste and coloursight. Very well possible that wearing that armor can make lose the user's humanity and become "immortal", just like Skullknight seems to be.

[clouded_fate]

so...your saying that the armor stripped away his flesh until he became a bad ass skeleton?

as for gatsu's power, if im not mistaken, he could fight evenly with apostle zodd without the berzerker armor, and did so in the graveyard of swards battle. i think he just needed the berzerker armor becuase he was badly wounded. he fought gurunberd(i think...) after getting his ass whooped by slann, so he wasn't exactly in the best state. and for most of the battles after that, excluding that giant water snake, he was able to fight pretty well without using the berzerker armor, although the wounds of the slann and gurunberd battles didnt make it easier. but im getting off track, so my point is that gatsu could still hold his own without the berzerker armor, but his battle rage/joy/ecstacy made him go berserk.

[Segan]

Wrong. When it comes to fighting abilities, then Guts without Berserker Armor is at best equal to Zodd in human form, Guts' techniques vs. Zodd's superhuman reflexes.
Guts just happens to have the better sword, that's why Zodd transformed to an apostle, since he couldn't fight with a broken sword.

But with Guts in Berserker Armor against the apostle Zodd, well, there's no telling what would happen.

And even if Guts wasn't wounded before his fight against Grunbert, I doubt the result would have been different. Hey, we are speaking about a fucking heavy armored giant with a huge war maul and a damn thick shield with a cannon inside there.
And don't forget, apostles have mostly superhuman strength and insanely high regeneration abilities. In his normal state, Guts never defeated an apostle with only his sword alone, not even the first one at Godot's. He always used other tools before he finished them with Dragonslayer.

[clouded_fate]

i agree with your last point, and i'm even undecided with you point about zodd, but i do think that his fight with gurunberd(i have no idea what his english name really is) would have been different. when gurunberd attacked gatts, all he could do was barely defend with his huge sword. a large part of the berzerker armor is that it lets you ignore pain. gatts was hurting bad after fighting one of the god hand. a man who can barely stand would not have had a similar result to a man in good condition.

(not a post i was hoping for...)

and i'm posting because this thread is way back on page 3

[Segan]

Even so, Guts in his best state with all his weapons and tools could have forced Grunbeld (english name) to transform into an apostle.
But at this point Guts wouldn't have had any chances in hell. Without the Berserker Armor he has got no strength to penetrate Grunbeld's crystal-like body, let alone blocking his massive attacks. On top of that, Grunbeld also has his fireblasts...

Edit: I'm sure you wonder why I'm so pessimistic about Guts vs. Grunbeld. But compared to Zodd, Grunbeld is extremely heavily armored, that Guts normally wouldn't be able to penetrate him, let alone his shield.

[Zaru]

Why has there not been a Berserk chapter for ages T_T

[isanon]

Why has there not been a Berserk chapter for ages T_T
i think the author is taking a pause to writhe the storry for the next part of berserk

[gnutte]

^Hopefully that's the reason, and not lazyness.

[Zaru]

Berserk being canceled because of the lack of motivation would be like....my god If i were a christian I would stop believing in god

[Segan]

Let Miura be lazy. To get a chapter every half a month with high quality drawings isn't easy, and it's better to take off some time before continuing an epic story (and that is what Berserk is right now). I rather want a well told tale, and not that crap we are getting from Naruto...(storywise, I mean...)

[MdB]

I rather want a well told tale, and not that crap we are getting from Naruto...(storywise, I mean...)

Couldn't say it better.
And its not the first time miura takes a large break.

[isanon]

yeah well he has alot going on now so you cant realy blame him. there is the kushan invation, there is griffiths fight, there is gutz and companys journy to fariy iland and what might or might not happen to cesca

[Toramaru]

Hi to everybody! I'm new in these forums and i have to say that they're pretty good. I'm a manga-anime lover, even more since i knew the difference between them. I have watched a long collection of animes and some good mangas, such as Bleach, Dragon Quest, One piece, and my absolute favorite, Blade of the Immortal. Lately i've been reading Berserk. Maaaaaannn, that's one hell of a lot of a manga.When i visited animenewsnetwork.com to knew how many volumes have been released, i saw only 31, and you're talking about 32!! That made me more eager to get all the volumes. And i need the volume 31 for now (plz PM it to me as soon as you can!!) Thank you very much.

[Segan]

Get to the pimping projects forum. You see it in the Konoha Library Floor 2 forum. There's a thread that gives volumes to download at request.

And by the way, volumes 32 is only meant for the chapters that are currently published since end of volume 31. The actual volume isn't out yet...or is it?

[nydo]

Let Miura be lazy. To get a chapter every half a month with high quality drawings isn't easy, and it's better to take off some time before continuing an epic story (and that is what Berserk is right now). I rather want a well told tale, and not that crap we are getting from Naruto...(storywise, I mean...)

I completely agree with you. It takes me like 5 minutes to read a new Naruto manga chapter, while a Berserk Chapter takes up about 30minutes, just because there's SO MUCH detail in each slide. It's incredible.

[nydo]

So, just for the sake of some sort of discussion (sorry if someone has asked this previously, but I'm not going to go through all 40+ pages :x), how long do you guys think the seal/charm on the berserk armor will last? What will drive Gatts so into rage, that the seal will disappear, making it harder for Silke to bring Gatts' ego back (if at all)?

That last question is a bit easy to answer, but I just want to get a discussion going :)

[Segan]

So, just for the sake of some sort of discussion (sorry if someone has asked this previously, but I'm not going to go through all 40+ pages :x), how long do you guys think the seal/charm on the berserk armor will last? What will drive Gatts so into rage, that the seal will disappear, making it harder for Silke to bring Gatts' ego back (if at all)?

That last question is a bit easy to answer, but I just want to get a discussion going :)

Don't know how long it will last. But it seems it's quite powerful since it prevented Gatts from being overwhelmed and broken by that destructive energy of the armor.
But I get the feeling, that the seal won't matter anymore, once Gatts gets his hands on Griffith and the Apostles. The seal's only purpose is to prevent Gatt's self to break, but not to power down the armor.
If it's against Griffith, the seal will break, and then it will be not hard for Schierke to get Gatts back, but impossible.
Why?
A broken seal means a broken Gatts. That was pretty much implied during his fight against Grunbeld.

[Greatwolf7]

i'm pretty sure the seal is to help repel apostles to make it easier for them to get to LOL (fairy land)

what actually happens if gatts loses himself is that he stays berserk until he bleeds to death because the berserk armor keeps you fighting even when you break bones by putting steel spikes into the bones to reinforce them

if he stays berserk he would also probably slaughter the few friends he has
so everytime he fights he risks losing his life and the lives of his friends
thats what i think it is?

[Segan]

The seal has nothing to do with apostles. It's only to limit the extremely violent influence of the armor...but obviously either the seal isn't too useful or Gatts is too open to the armor's influence.

Pretty sure, he will stay on berserk mode, when the seal is off, but what interests me, is the question, what exactly happens inside of the armor? As you can see, after using it the first time, a part of his hair changed it's color from black to white, and it seems, he's losing his taste and colour sensing.

Maybe there's a possibility that Gatts will transform into a real beast similar to the current shape of his armor. Just like the Skull Knight has a similar look to the armor he wore before Gatts.

[Freija]

everytime someone writes in this thread i get hope, then when i check for a link of some sort that hope is ruthlessly crushed :(

[nydo]

As you can see, after using it the first time, a part of his hair changed it's color from black to white, and it seems, he's losing his taste and colour sensing.



Maybe he's just turning into an old fart =)

haha

<3 Gatts!!

[MdB]

http://img171.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=29794_1166624394004_123_464lo.jpg

New chapter january 12th 2007.

This better be one big ass chapter. :notrust

[Kaki]

hehe, at least its something.....

[Segan]

http://img171.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=29794_1166624394004_123_464lo.jpg

New chapter january 12th 2007.

This better be one big ass chapter. :notrust

I doubt it. But thanks for the pic :)

[AgentMarth]

http://img171.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=29794_1166624394004_123_464lo.jpg

New chapter january 12th 2007.

This better be one big ass chapter. :notrust

At this point, I'm just happy to have a date. Although, a double the normal size chapter would be nice as well.

How long has it been since the last chapter? September I think? Thats one killer long break. Makes me wonder why.

[Segan]

Maybe it was just a long time since Miura took a break before the current one...and he needed another one.

[Greatwolf7]

how do you know his senses are becoming dulled?
and canu post where it says the seal is to make the armor not as strong because when i read it it said the seal was to not make him such an apostle magnet

[MdB]

how do you know his senses are becoming dulled?
and canu post where it says the seal is to make the armor not as strong because when i read it it said the seal was to not make him such an apostle magnet

What the... :huh

[Segan]

how do you know his senses are becoming dulled?
and canu post where it says the seal is to make the armor not as strong because when i read it it said the seal was to not make him such an apostle magnet

Erm...I never said that the seal is to make the armor "not as strong..." whatever it's supposed to mean...

In my opinion the seal (the one on the armor!) is only here to limit the armor's influence on Guts. Otherwise Guts would be completely overwhelmed by the armor's destructive energy and would break (meaning, he would go insane without the possibility to ever come back to sense).

And by the way, Guts is not an "apostle magnet", but rather a ghost magnet. And to prevent the ghosts from attacking Guts and Casca, the witch girl gave them seals on their stigmas. It's completely different from the one of the berserker armor.

Oh, and about his senses being dulled...the skull knight mentioned that (losing flavour taste, losing colour of his eyesight...). Like he's beginning to lose his humanity along with what humans normally feel through their senses.

[Sunuvmann]

http://img171.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=29794_1166624394004_123_464lo.jpg

New chapter january 12th 2007.

This better be one big ass chapter. :notrust
BOUT. FUCKING. TIME. :mad

:spaz

[CABLE]

Wow. Miura does it again. He can jack off for all I care. Just get Berserk done. He fucking takes all his asscock breaks. Seriously, he writes fucking comics and he's old as shit, what is he doing all these times. He takes the annual winter break, summer break, and the TBA whenever the fuck I want break.

[Segan]

Get Berserk done? You must be one hell of an Utopian-fan... ^^

[Greatwolf7]

SON OF A BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!

i meant to not make the armor such a strong apostle magnet

[Segan]

SON OF A BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!

i meant to not make the armor such a strong apostle magnet

Son of a bitch...? Where are your manners?

And yes, the armor seal isn't to make him not an apostle magnet. This job is for the seals on Guts' stigma (on the neck) as well as on Casca's (on her breasts)...

[Greatwolf7]

YEAH and those attract apostles
SO I OWNED YOU ONCE AGAIN
god im good

oh yeha i wasnt calling any one that
i was just saying it cuz i messed up

[Segan]

How can you own me, if you were wrong with the armor seal? What would attract the apostles, was Guts' stigma, not the armor seal. And besides, all I've seen, were the ghosts, which were attracted by this stigma, not the apostles...

And I don't count the first apostle who found Guts' at Godot's. That one just had a damn good nose.

[Freija]

WHERE'S MY RAW

[gnutte]

Here:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/279dbs
280 raw

[isanon]

woot (is there anything else to say??)

[Freija]

*kisses gnutte* <3333333


can you upload it to another host ?



edit: ugh, i waited a few months for this crap ?

[Kepa]

kushan ownage.... too bad the kushan don't know what's coming to get them :P

anyway not much right now... but It does like the intro to a few kickass war chapters

[isanon]

aw dammit if he is going to take a breake could he atleast release an intresting chapter after the breake

send space link
http://www.sendspace.com/file/h6k51p

[Freija]

aw dammit if he is going to take a breake could he atleast release an intresting chapter after the breake

send space link
http://www.sendspace.com/file/h6k51p

my thoughts exactly <3

[Segan]

Nice intro to the following battle between the Kushans and the Falcons. I bet, we will see Ganishka vs. Griffith very soon.

[Ashura]

Does anybody know where I can dl the manga from? I just recently got into berserk and i need info!!

[Segan]

Seems like you already figured out a source. But don't let it bother you, if you don't like the first three volumes (though I liked them). Just keep reading, you will enjoy the young Guts and the Falcons afterwards.

Edit: Fuck, did you guys see this? Miura even showed an arrow ripping off an inner ear from a poor guy's head? God, still drawing as detailed as ever...and original (hint to the current cross-hunter-plagiarism thread..)

[Fire101]

280 sub
http://bt.evil-genius.us:60000/files/torrents/%5BEvil_Genius%5DBerserk_v32c280.rar.torrent

[Jotun]

It was kind of a stale chapter for me, but I enjoyed seeing that awsome detail again plus 281 is gonna be awsome xD

Demon Archers are rigged >_>

[Raverr]

hi ive just finished watching the anime and was wondering what chapter/volume to start of on from where the anime ended.

[Auron]

hi ive just finished watching the anime and was wondering what chapter/volume to start of on from where the anime ended.

Pretty sure that the anime finished off somewhere in volume 13...so u can start reading from 13 on. Altough the whole thing is definetly worth reading again from volume 1 as there are a bunch of parts left out of the anime that are in the manga.

[Segan]

Well, the last scene in the anime would equal to the one in volume 14, so you should start there.

[Raverr]

could some1 just post a quick spolier for me about how the relationship goes between gats and caske after volume 14, i really can be botherd reading all the manga :p

[Neji]

could some1 just post a quick spolier for me about how the relationship goes between gats and caske after volume 14, i really can be botherd reading all the manga :p


horrible .

[Segan]

It's not exactly a spoiler, since there are currently 31 volumes released, and the anime doesn't go farther than the eclipse.

Casca lost her mind and is basically an idiot now, or rather, her mind is now at the level of a two years old child. Meaning, she doesn't recognize Guts anymore and this hit Guts pretty hard.
He left her at Godot's while wandering around to find and to kill the apostles, always searching for the God Hand. But later Guts is alarmed by the spirit of the demon child, which once was supposed to be the child of Guts and Casca. But Griffith's assault on Casca gave the child an evil nature and was later the one who gave Griffith the flesh to be reborn into the real world.
Anyway, the reason for alarming Guts was Casca's escape from Godot's, so Guts looked for her. Unluckily, after a series of incidents, the only safe place for her at Godot's got destroyed, and Guts had to search for another place where she would be safe from the ghosts.
Since then, the both have been toghether on the journey, but Guts had a hard time to fight the ghosts every night and to protect Casca at the same time. And then, Guts stress and Casca's inability to understand the situation (a direct result of her child-like mind) led to some ugly incidents between the two.
So Guts let a bunch of people he met earlier join him on his journey, only for the reason to protect Casca from himself.

Currently, Guts and his team are on the way to Puck's home, an island somewhere in the wide seas, where an Elven King lives, which is said to be able to heal Casca's heart.

[Locard]

Nah. Guts and Caska are old history. It's all over, there's too many shit between they two to ever be forgotten, even if Caska recovers her brain.

The real pairing that the author has been developing since a lot of chapters ago it's the Guts x Schierke. A really huge bond is growing between these two, and it's becoming greater than the bond with Caska ever was.Schierke loves him, Guts cant even fight without her, this couple has potential.

[Segan]

And I bet my ass, the pairing Guts x Schierke has got no potential further than friendship. Mark my words.

It's more likely that Schierke will pair up with Isidro in the long run. The little witch may have some feelings of admiration towards Guts, but it's only normal for young girls to feel attracted to older guys. We all know, Guts' the coolest human in the Berserk world.

But he's way too fixated on Casca that anyone could hope he would get the same feelings towards other women.

[Locard]

^Guts is more and more away from Caska as the time goes by, the same way he's more and more bonded to Schierke.
Remember the old witch's relationship with the skull knight.Thats what we call foreshadowing, Guts and Schierke will end up together in the end.
Of course, if Guts becomes a freakin skull due to the curse, they wont be nothing more than friends. Otherwise they will be lovers and live happily ever-after.

And there's nothing going on between the ¨monkey¨ and Schierke ¨oh, but they are both kids so they are meant to be together¨, sorry but.. no. Things doesn't work the same way as in shonen here.

[Segan]

Really...? ^^

If Miura planned a longer story timeskip, then you COULD be right about that, because Schierke would grow to a young woman, so that there would be a possibility she would catch his eye.

But somehow I get the feeling, no such thing will happen.

[mister_napolean]

yeah i dont think guts wants to be a pedo.. lol and from the looks of it the old witch and the skull knight looked more like friends rather than lovers

[Freija]

Nah. Guts and Caska are old history. It's all over, there's too many shit between they two to ever be forgotten, even if Caska recovers her brain.

The real pairing that the author has been developing since a lot of chapters ago it's the Guts x Schierke. A really huge bond is growing between these two, and it's becoming greater than the bond with Caska ever was.Schierke loves him, Guts cant even fight without her, this couple has potential.

and this my friend is what we use to call "farfetched" or "wishful thinking" :P

[Locard]

Really...? ^^

If Miura planned a longer story timeskip, then you COULD be right about that, because Schierke would grow to a young woman, so that there would be a possibility she would catch his eye.

But somehow I get the feeling, no such thing will happen.
Well, in a few years Guts will still be young and Schierke will be a hot teen. Teens can marry in the Berserk world, there's nothing strange with this.
I dont see this history coming to an end soon, we could have another timeskip, who knows?
The fact is that Guts needs Schierke by his side in order to retain his humanity, so there will be plenty of time to develop a deeper bond. infact, they're already doing it. Schierke is right now the closest person to Guts.

yeah i dont think guts wants to be a pedo.. lol and from the looks of it the old witch and the skull knight looked more like friends rather than loversbeing a pedo means nothing in a world like Berserk's, girls are already legal like at 13. A proof was that fight at the tavern. Guts said something like ¨dont fuck with my girl, bastards¨ and started to kick asses (¨his girl¨ was Schierke, of course).

And yeah the skull knight and the witch were just friends at that time, they know each other since a millenia ago, god knows how many things happened between them, and again. HE's A GD SKULL, what did you expect?
The fact is that they remained together til the end, like Guts and Schierke are supposed to be, but Guts is a good looking man instead of a skull, and Schierke is a cute girl and she'll be a hot woman soon, and she's already fallen for him, so you can imagine the rest.

and this my friend is what we use to call "farfetched" or "wishful thinking" :P
She's already more important to the plot than Caska, she's the closest person to Guts, she's destined to be with him (foreshadowing, foreshadowing) heck since she appeared for the first time she took over the manga.
Sometimes makes you wonder who's the real main character.Like Guts said, she's his girl.
Anything is pointing at a Guts x Schierke in the end:kloff .So i have plenty of things to back up my ¨wishful thinking¨

[Freija]

She's already more important to the plot than Caska, she's the closest person to Guts, she's destined to be with him (foreshadowing, foreshadowing) heck since she appeared for the first time she took over the manga.
Sometimes makes you wonder who's the real main character.Like Guts said, she's his girl.
Anything is pointing at a Guts x Schierke in the end:kloff .So i have plenty of things to back up my ¨wishful thinking¨

except the fact that Gutts is madly inlove with Caska and have never stopped loving her... XDDDD

[Segan]

Shall we make a longterm bet?

I say, the only relationship that Guts and Schierke will have together, is friendship. Casca will be the only and one woman of his heart.

[Locard]

I remember Guts trying to strangle Caska and his inner (wolf? jackal? rage?) telling to him that: the only reason he kept Caska by his side it was to remind himself about his hate and revenge against Griffith.

Caska symbols the scarred, terrible, need-to-be-forgotten past.Schierke symbols the future, the promise of peace and the end of loneliness.
Thanks to Schierke, Guts hasn't drowned yet in that sea of rage. And her feelings are real, Farnese just admires Guts, but Schierke is ¨definetly in love¨
(Sonia the clairvoyant said it, so it's a fact)

If Schierke was a young woman instead of a girl, everyone would be already talking about this pairing as a fact.

There's also the possibility that Guts will become another skull knight in the end, though. And history will repeat itself. The witch and the skull knight together til the end.

[Kaki]

But somehow I get the feeling, no such thing will happen. Maybe in a doujinshi.....she's just too young. And an age spell is unrealistic.

Well, I was thinking the other night. How can Gats get strong enough?
I figured then that he mearlyed needed to kill grifith (and die in the process). That is what Berserk is about.

[Kaki]

But somehow I get the feeling, no such thing will happen. Maybe in a doujinshi.....she's just too young. And an age spell is unrealistic.

Well, I was thinking the other night. How can Gats get strong enough?
I figured then that he mearlyed needed to kill grifith (and die in the process). That is what Berserk is about.

[Locard]

She can cast a love spell to render Guts on his knees :kukuku
(Although it wont be necessary, looking at the way the things are goin' between these two, the mutual love it's just a matter of time)

Guts is Schierke's man ppl, get over it. She was born, bred and destined to love the black swordsman.

Only Schierke can bring peace and comprehension to Guts' tortured soul, something that a scarred-for-life creature like Caska cant do.

[Kaki]

Casca will come to...

and this is not naruto you can't making (pedo) coples where they don't exist.

There is not romantic love.

[Blaze of Glory]

Anyone who thinks that Schiereke and Gut's being a couple is out of there min; Gut's loves Caska and nothing will ever change that. If he didn't love her I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be traveling with a group to prevent him from hurting her. The only reason he hangs around with Schiereke is because she reminds him of Caska and how much he loved her back then.

Caska might even still love him too since she was whining when Zodd tried to fight against Gut's after his fight with Ganishka. Call me crazy, but, it seems her cries were more out of concern for Gut's then fear of Zodd. Not to mention Gut's is always looking out for his one and only true love.

[Cthulhu-versailles]

Did anyone else find 280 to be a completle bust ? I mean, after so much waiting all we got was a set-up chapter for what's to come. Sigh, well I'm looking forward to the future and what's to come in 281 and past, because there's a hell of alot about to come to head, but damn 280 was meh.

---
Isdori is pretty much destined to be Schirek "it".....
and with Guts' luck he'll probably end up alone... sorry Caske.

[Freija]

I remember Guts trying to strangle Caska and his inner (wolf? jackal? rage?) telling to him that: the only reason he kept Caska by his side it was to remind himself about his hate and revenge against Griffith.

Caska symbols the scarred, terrible, need-to-be-forgotten past.Schierke symbols the future, the promise of peace and the end of loneliness.
Thanks to Schierke, Guts hasn't drowned yet in that sea of rage. And her feelings are real, Farnese just admires Guts, but Schierke is ¨definetly in love¨
(Sonia the clairvoyant said it, so it's a fact)

If Schierke was a young woman instead of a girl, everyone would be already talking about this pairing as a fact.

There's also the possibility that Guts will become another skull knight in the end, though. And history will repeat itself. The witch and the skull knight together til the end.

where do you get all this bullshit from XDDDDDDDD

[Locard]

where do you get all this bullshit from XDDDDDDDDFrom a manga called Berserk, you should read it someday.
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/v23c01p023.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/v23c02p034.jpg

And i could post many more scans, if it wasn't for all the asses and tits involved.

Some sweet words of love from Guts' inner self to Caska.
Tear her up like Griffith did...bite her..pierce her...she's just a sacrifice...you should part with everything...use everything to nurture your hatred

Guts x Caska = old history.The only woman i can see in Guts' future is Schierke, in case he doesn't end up alone or dead, which is also pretty plausible.

[Segan]

Oh right, like the personified hatred of Guts is the absolute truth....

Did it even occur to you that this beast only told that to let him devour Guts? What this beast says, doesn't have to be true of Guts himself. (And I mean the one Guts, who wasn't willing to leave Casca a second time...)

[Blaze of Glory]

From a manga called Berserk, you should read it someday.
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/v23c01p023.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/v23c02p034.jpg

And i could post many more scans, if it wasn't for all the asses and tits involved.


Hey, smart one I'm not sure you know this because you were so caught in going through Berserk manga scans but he was possessed before and that wasn't him who was strangling Caska. Plus, If I remember correctly but the Beast of Darkness is the one who is always trying to convince him to follow the path of vengance alone and will even spout lies if it will make Gut's do whatever he desires.


Some sweet words of love from Guts' inner self to Caska.
Tear her up like Griffith did...bite her..pierce her...she's just a sacrifice...you should part with everything...use everything to nurture your hatred

Guts x Caska = old history.The only woman i can see in Guts' future is Schierke, in case he doesn't end up alone or dead, which is also pretty plausible.

Loco bro Schierke is a kid Gut's is an adult both of them coming together is digusting and is pedophiliing and I doubt Gut's would do that...

[Raverr]

can some1 give me a description of what this beast of darkness is? where it came from and its intentions and is it friends with those demons etc

[Segan]

can some1 give me a description of what this beast of darkness is? where it came from and its intentions and is it friends with those demons etc

Actually, the beast of darkness is the manifestation of Guts' malevolent side named hatred. It only appears to Guts and we saw it the first time right after he defeated Rosine, that freakish child apostle who believed herself to be a fairy. But it didn't have the exact same shape as we would see it later.
Currently, the Berserker Armor took the shape of this beast (Schierke called it "hatred").

And its intentions...well, basically it wants Guts to slaughter everyone and anything and feed him with blood. Or something like that...

[Locard]

Hey, smart one I'm not sure you know this because you were so caught in going through Berserk manga scans but he was possessed before and that wasn't him who was strangling Caska. Plus, If I remember correctly but the Beast of Darkness is the one who is always trying to convince him to follow the path of vengance alone and will even spout lies if it will make Gut's do whatever he desires.
Guts' was perfectly consciouss and it was in the middle of the day when he assaulted Caska and thought about ¨tearing her apart¨ ( i could post more scans if it wasn't for the nudity)

Loco bro Schierke is a kid Gut's is an adult both of them coming together is digusting and is pedophiliing and I doubt Gut's would do that...Who said they must be a couplenow? I said they will hook up someday, maybe in a few years or more, it's very possible since they're apparently destined to be together til the end, just like the witch of the forest and the skull knight.


Actually, the beast of darkness is the manifestation of Guts' malevolent side named hatred. It only appears to Guts and we saw it the first time right after he defeated Rosine, that freakish child apostle who believed herself to be a fairy. But it didn't have the exact same shape as we would see it later.
Currently, the Berserker Armor took the shape of this beast (Schierke called it "hatred").

And its intentions...well, basically it wants Guts to slaughter everyone and anything and feed him with blood. Or something like that...
Reality check. That beast is part of Guts, and a very important one.
When an important part of yourself wants to kill your beloved one, then there's something going wrong with that relationship.

And that's cause Caska is part of that scarred past Guts' is struggling against, she's like a part of Griffith, ¨a sore that Griffith left behind¨, hence Guts' hatred extends to Caska as well.

Schierke on the other hand, has the ability to calm down Guts' inner beast. Guts' inner beast rejects Caska, but it welcomes Schierke. Coincidence? i dont think so.

[Freija]

From a manga called Berserk, you should read it someday.
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/v23c01p023.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/v23c02p034.jpg

And i could post many more scans, if it wasn't for all the asses and tits involved.

Some sweet words of love from Guts' inner self to Caska.
Tear her up like Griffith did...bite her..pierce her...she's just a sacrifice...you should part with everything...use everything to nurture your hatred

Guts x Caska = old history.The only woman i can see in Guts' future is Schierke, in case he doesn't end up alone or dead, which is also pretty plausible.

That my friend is all gutts hatred and bloodlust, it's not like it's telling the truth, that's like saying Hisoka isn't tricky at all but always tells the truth(you'll know what i mean if you read HxH)

Reality check. That beast is part of Guts, and a very important one.
When an important part of yourself wants to kill your beloved one, then there's something going wrong with that relationship. ... Reality check back at you, Gutts will kill everyone when his hatred takes over... but you failed to notice that?Schierke on the other hand, has the ability to calm down Guts' inner beast. Guts' inner beast rejects Caska, but it welcomes Schierke. Coincidence? i dont think so.it's interesting how you fail to mention that Schierke have to mention Caska everytime she calms him down, and btw, she calms him down using magic, it's hardly his feelings towards her

[Segan]

Reality check?

Guts has got some sort of schizophrenia, if you dared to notice that. The hatred that Guts had built up in the past two years has become an autonomous "mind" that would like to take over Guts. But as long as Guts doesn't allow it, there's no way to happen.
Only if he forgets his guard for the slightest moment in a situation of stress, then his beast happens to take over.

As for the rest, I totally agree to Paracetamol.

[Blaze of Glory]

Guts' was perfectly consciouss and it was in the middle of the day when he assaulted Caska and thought about ¨tearing her apart¨ ( i could post more scans if it wasn't for the nudity)

And yet most of the times when he's conscious he's still suckered into doing stupid things which end up costing him things valuable to him. Plus, Gut's is always succumbing to his anger that he can't even think straight. And Gut's was under the influence of the spirits of the dead. You saying that is like saying Farenese purposely got nude so Gut's could tear her apart.




Who said they must be a couplenow? I said they will hook up someday, maybe in a few years or more, it's very possible since they're apparently destined to be together til the end, just like the witch of the forest and the skull knight.


Berserk won't have another time skip and still in a couple years Gut's will be with Caska. Too bad Flora's dead now though. Skull Knight...Well who knows how long he,ll live.

[Uchihawk]

has chapter 280 come out yet?

[Segan]

has chapter 280 come out yet?

Yes. Check out www.evil-genius.us

[Jimmie]

I watched the anime.
But I'd like to read the manga aswell.
What chapter should I start reading?

[Locard]

Reality check?

Guts has got some sort of schizophrenia, if you dared to notice that. The hatred that Guts had built up in the past two years has become an autonomous "mind" that would like to take over Guts. But as long as Guts doesn't allow it, there's no way to happen.
Only if he forgets his guard for the slightest moment in a situation of stress, then his beast happens to take over.

Yeah, he's a case of split personality, which is common in persons who have suffered hurtful experiences or abuses.

But the dark beast is still a part of him, and it'll never go, unless he learns to safely express and process painful memories and to develop new coping and life skills (something that won't be easy to do if he's near to Caska)

You saying that is like saying Farenese purposely got nude so Gut's could tear her apart.Farnese was possesed by a spirit of the night. Guts' inner beast isn't preciselly a spirit of the night.Read above.
Berserk won't have another time skip
How can you be so sure? Miura said it?

it's interesting how you fail to mention that Schierke have to mention Caska everytime she calms him down, and btw, she calms him down using magic, it's hardly his feelings towards her
Not really. In the long battle of Vritanis she calmed down berserker Guts with her mere presence, when her (soul? od?) got caught inside of Guts' armour.
Later, she used some magic to help Guts to defeat Dhavai, when Guts was already in his senses, thanks to her kind presence and the bond that is growin between them.

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/Berserk_v31c273p14.png
That's what i call a shade of things to come.

They two are destined to be together in one way or another just like Flora and the Skull Knight, who she said "still have a human heart", implying that Flora knew the Skull Knight before he took on his current ghoulish form.
(*coughforeshadowingcough*)


No one else is closer to Guts right now than Schierke, no one else can help him better, either at fighting mosnters or coping with his inner demons, they need each other and you cant deny that.

:offtopic And regarding chapter 280. I liked it, it reminds me of the old Berserk with those huge ass armies clashing against each other.

[Freija]

Yeah, he's a case of split personality, which is common in persons who have suffered hurtful experiences or abuses.

But the dark beast is still a part of him, and it'll never go, unless he learns to safely express and process painful memories and to develop new coping and life skills (something that won't be easy to do if he's near to Caska)

Farnese was possesed by a spirit of the night. Guts' inner beast isn't preciselly a spirit of the night.Read above.

How can you be so sure? Miura told you?


Not really. In the long battle of Vritanis she calmed down berserker Guts with her mere presence, when her (soul? od?) got caught inside of Guts' armour.
Later, she used some magic to help Guts' to defeat Dhavai, when Guts was already in his senses, thanks to her kind presence and the bond that is growin between them.

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/Berserk_v31c273p14.png
That's what i call a shade of things to come.

They two are destined to be together in one way or another just like Flora and his lifetime friend the Skull Knight, who she said "still having a human heart", implying that Flora knew the Skull Knight before he took on his current ghoulish form.
(*coughforeshadowingcough*)


No one else is closer to Guts' right now, no one else can help him better, either at fighting mosnters or coping with his inner demons, they need each other and you cant deny that.

you just mentioned right there why she was able to save him that time, because her soul was caught........ and once again, it had nothing to do with feelings from gutts part, we all know schierke would tap him if she got the chance.

And i accept that they need eachother currently, but that does not = love, which is what you fail/refuse to see

[Segan]

Whatever...

That's one kind of topic that can't be cleared until Miura states it explicitly right or wrong or until the series ends.

Recently I've picked up an interesting comment in EG forums. There are people who believe that Griffith in the old Hawks days possesses fighting abilities superior to those of Serpico.
But I was under the impression that Serpico was far more skilled than Griffith was right before he was thrown into jail.

The Guts that was about to leave the Hawks defeated Griffith without real effort. There he was 18 years old and was physically already the strongest human in the army, second only to Pipin (which isn't surprising, considering his massive physique).
Now the Guts from right now, two years after the eclipse, meaning three years after leaving the Hawks (21 years old), must have at least doubled his speed and power. I would consider his raw strength to be higher than Pipin's. And yet Serpico seemed to be on par with him when it comes to speed.

I have got to mention, that Griffith lost to Guts in an head-on fight, while Serpico tried to avoid this kind of fight by choosing a place that would hinder Guts to swing his sword at full speed.

But still, I think that Serpico should be at least as fast and skilled as the old Griffith, if not better. Simply because he held pretty well against a Guts that was much faster and stronger than the Guts Griffith lost to.

[Locard]

you just mentioned right there why she was able to save him that time, because her soul was caught........ and once again, it had nothing to do with feelings from gutts part, we all know schierke would tap him if she got the chance.The fact is that she can calm him down by just talking to him and be close to him, and no one else could do that.
And i accept that they need eachother currently, but that does not = love, which is what you fail/refuse to seethat's a beginning. and there's already love from one side.

Whatever...

That's one kind of topic that can't be cleared until Miura states it explicitly right or wrong or until the series ends.
Yeah. We need to wait, at least, til Caska recovers her sanity.
One way or another, i dont see things ending well for Caska and Guts at all. there's too many crap between them by now. I have this feeling that she will keep her morbid obssesion/fascination with Griffith somehow, but i could be wrong.

But still, I think that Serpico should be at least as fast and skilled as the old Griffith, if not better. Simply because he held pretty well against a Guts that was much faster and stronger than the Guts Griffith lost to.Quite possible. But Serpico always have some strategy and terrain advantage by his side, and he himself admitted he wont be match for Guts in a fair and square fight, since the first time they met.

[Blaze of Glory]

Yeah, he's a case of split personality, which is common in persons who have suffered hurtful experiences or abuses.

But the dark beast is still a part of him, and it'll never go, unless he learns to safely express and process painful memories and to develop new coping and life skills (something that won't be easy to do if he's near to Caska)

The dark beast rejects everybody and Schierke is no exception. The only reason she was able not be harmed was because she was a magic user when she enterd his consciousness. It wants him to kill everyone within his sight.


How can you be so sure? Miura said it?


He's made it obvious. It's not going to jump into the future where Griffith's reign is absolute and he's king. It's been stated that they have to hurry with their adventure and waste no time. Right now were midway through the manga and this is pretty much the last time skip. If he wanted to do another one then it would happen at this point.


Not really. In the long battle of Vritanis she calmed down berserker Guts with her mere presence, when her (soul? od?) got caught inside of Guts' armour.
Later, she used some magic to help Guts to defeat Dhavai, when Guts was already in his senses, thanks to her kind presence and the bond that is growin between them.


http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/Berserk_v31c273p14.png
That's what i call a shade of things to come.

*cough*cough* It's called magic *cough* *cough*



They two are destined to be together in one way or another just like Flora and the Skull Knight, who she said "still have a human heart", implying that Flora knew the Skull Knight before he took on his current ghoulish form.
(*coughforeshadowingcough*)

Gut's clearly stated in the manga in the brawl that he thought of Schierke as apart of his family. No more then that. Caska is the only women he loves and no one else. Schierke has to use magic to tie her shoes. Caska is able to get through Gut's with her love.


No one else is closer to Guts right now than Schierke, no one else can help him better, either at fighting mosnters or coping with his inner demons, they need each other and you cant deny that.

Mostly because she's a replacement for Caska and until she returns. Because without her Gut's is practically nothing. Schierke is a child can only cure him and help his combat abilities but can't heal his heart which longs for Caska and no one else. When they entered the castle to find Griffith and save him Gut's went Berserk when he found him torn apart and killed everyone. However, Caska calmed him down by being next to him.

[Kaki]

There are people who believe that Griffith in the old Hawks days possesses fighting abilities superior to those of Serpico. This is NOT true...

Griffith may be more of a millitant stratigiest.....but that is also debatable as Serpico knew alot about heraldry of armies, he may also know army stratagies.

[big nate]

Yeah about grifith can this even fight all he does is sit there and send his pet monsters at ya.....
On another note this manga is nasty..
read back and guts And mmaybe giffith have had ....how can say this...... not wholsome expierences geex this manga has the best action scenes but .....

[Segan]

Locard, even if there was too much of crap between Guts and Casca, Schierke would still have got no chance to approach him with love intentions.
His heart is just too twisted for someone so pure like the little witch. Even if he wanted to live in peace, he couldn't. A stigma can't be forgotten and besides, he's a warrior through and through.

[Freija]

... wishful thinking doesn't make a couple :(

[Moridin]

Farneze has more chance of getting with Gutts than Shierke does I think =p well give it 16 years and you might have a chance ><

[Kepa]

Farneze has more chance of getting with Gutts than Shierke does I think =p well give it 16 years and you might have a chance ><come to think of it... with all the horrible things guts did in his life, pedophilia isn't one of them. So I guess it's time to catch up :)

[Moridin]

lolol, please no robbing the cradle for gutts T_T

[Freija]

HAHAHA PEDO GUTTS XDDDDDD

[Moridin]

its a disturbing thought

[Freija]

i agree, especially considering the size diffrence between gutts and schierke, she's like an infant compared to him

[Moridin]

yeah, there's that page when she stumbles out from washing casca and is leaning on him, she's a child :/

[Locard]

The dark beast rejects everybody and Schierke is no exception. The only reason she was able not be harmed was because she was a magic user when she enterd his consciousness. It wants him to kill everyone within his sight.She didn't use any magic to calm down Guts at Vritanis. And she wasn't rejected by Guts inner beast when she got caught inside Guts', she was able to get close to the beast and awake Guts just by talking to him and touch him, something that no one else could do.

He's made it obvious. It's not going to jump into the future where Griffith's reign is absolute and he's king. It's been stated that they have to hurry with their adventure and waste no time. Right now were midway through the manga and this is pretty much the last time skip. If he wanted to do another one then it would happen at this point.I do think that Girffith will become king. However, timeskip or not, we cant be sure about Guts' final destiny until the end of the series, and i think that Schierke will be involved in it, whatever this destiny is.

*cough*cough* It's called magic *cough* *cough*
She's not using magic yet in that scan. And Guts is already on his senses thanks to her. Schierke can touch the very core of Guts' soul, and she's ¨welcomed¨ there. No one else did that before, not even Caska.

Gut's clearly stated in the manga in the brawl that he thought of Schierke as apart of his family. No more then that. Caska is the only women he loves and no one else. Schierke has to use magic to tie her shoes. Caska is able to get through Gut's with her love.Not current Caska.

Mostly because she's a replacement for Caska and until she returns. Because without her Gut's is practically nothing. Schierke is a child can only cure him and help his combat abilities but can't heal his heart which longs for Caska and no one else. When they entered the castle to find Griffith and save him Gut's went Berserk when he found him torn apart and killed everyone. However, Caska calmed him down by being next to him.The dark beast didn't exist back then. Calming down an angry Guts (not an easy job, though) cant hold a candle to calming down the dark beast with Berserker armour on.

Locard, even if there was too much of crap between Guts and Casca, Schierke would still have got no chance to approach him with love intentions.
His heart is just too twisted for someone so pure like the little witch. Even if he wanted to live in peace, he couldn't. A stigma can't be forgotten and besides, he's a warrior through and through.
Yeah. I agree that it's hard to believe that a so-tragic hero like Guts will end up well in end:sweatdrop.

Guts' possible endings imo:
1- Dead (in Schierke's arms)
2- Corrupted (after watching Schierke die )
3- Turned into a Skull Knight(repeating the history of Flora and the SK)
4- Fullfilling his destiny and living happily ever after with Schierke (or maybe Caska?)

And the last ending is the less possible, though. Berserk isn't that kind of manga, and that's precissely the reason i dont see the GutsXCaska ending well in the long run. To tell the truth, i dont see Guts ending with anyone, but if he ends up with someone, i think it would be Schierke. it was already foreshadowed, Guts is becoming the skull knight, Schierke the wise witch of the forest.

Farneze has more chance of getting with Gutts than Shierke does I think =p well give it 16 years and you might have a chance ><She's not a baby, you're exagerating.
Berserk girls are legal like at 14 or 15, like in all the medieval societies.
Farnese was engaged at 15 AICR.

How old is Schierke? 9? 10? in a few years she'll be totally legal (it's not like pedophilia is really prosecuted in the Berserk world anyway ><)

come to think of it... with all the horrible things guts did in his life, pedophilia isn't one of them. So I guess it's time to catch up :)Berserk is a terribly rough world, being a pedo it's not a great deal there, though ><

[Segan]

*desperately trying to change the topic*

Erm...what do you think is the current status of Ganishka? We saw that the magic snake disappeared right after his astral body was destroyed. But Ganishka is still alive (with a scar on his forehead, though).

He can't (in my opinion) create another mist body, so how is he going to fight against Griffith (always assuming Griffith wants to defeat the Emperor personally and not by his apostle servants).

[Freija]

Lol, locard im giving up this topic, because of this Guts' possible endings imo:
1- Dead (in Schierke's arms)
2- Corrupted (after watching Schierke die )
3- Turned into a Skull Knight(repeating the history of Flora and the SK)
4- Fullfilling his destiny and living happily ever after with Schierke (or maybe Caska?) it just proved you're the biggest fanboy/girl i ever met XDDDDDDDD

[Locard]

^I was being just half-serious there

Im giving up this topic too, we need to wait, at least, til Caska recovers her sanity. I dont see the GutsxCaska ending well anyway, remember the words of the Skull Knight:
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/Berserkv28c238p038copy.jpg
And Skull Knight's words = law.

[Locard]

closing topic with some meaningful moments of this future pairing:kloff

Bonded by destiny
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/Berserkv27c229p074copy.jpg
No one else can rescue him
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/Berserkv28c243p148copy.jpg
Definetly in love
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/Berserkv28c246p223copy.jpg
The bond it's growin' stronger
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/Berserkv29c249p058copy.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/Berserkv29c249p059copy.jpg
(he can feel if she's in danger even if she's far away)
Dont f*ck with Guts' girl
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/Berserkv29c249p071copy.jpg

[Segan]

@Locard: That last pic seemed more like Guts was acting like a father, not like a boyfriend...

And yeah, that with Skull Knight will probably come true. The events during the eclipse was just too much for her to bear, so in order for her soul not to break she simply lost her mind.

But I still hope Casca will get her mind back, because I really liked her back then in the old days.

[Moridin]

nuuu locard posted scans T_T

I hope casca gets her mind restored, its slightly tiresome having her wandering around in a clueless half daze :/

[Freija]

nuuu locard posted scans T_T

I hope casca gets her mind restored, its slightly tiresome having her wandering around in a clueless half daze :/

Caska getting her memory back is what i've been waiting for for 3 years now, i can't wait for her to get badass again, imagine the looks on everyones face when Caska gets totally cocky and a tomboy compared to how she was with her mind wrecked XDDDDDDD

[Moridin]

hehe, I hope she keeps the longer hair though if she does get her memory back =p

I wonder what role she'd play in the group though, whether she'd take a sword back up or not.

[Kaki]

It could be pretty funny when that happens...

[Freija]

personally i also hope she keeps the hair too, she looks way better with it like that :3

And considering her personality, at first i think she'll be confused, then she'd want revenge and take up the sword to fight!"

[Moridin]

xD hopefully, they've come quite a long way since caska was last a fighting girl though and all the rest of the group are using enchanted weaponry which I presume she'll need as I can't see her managing with just a normal sword against what they are going to be facing

[Freija]

Well, i can really see Schierke enchant a weapon for her somehow

[Moridin]

yeah she can probably do something, for an apprentice she sure has a lot of tricks =p makes you wonder what flora was capable of when she was younger o_O

[Freija]

Well atleast it explains why Griffith was so afraid of Flora, just imagine Schierke x10

[Moridin]

lolol thats a pretty scary thought =p

[Freija]

exactly XDDDDDDD even when she was dead? she could create a flame so strong a firedragon couldn't touch it.

[Segan]

Flora probably wasn't dead yet, when she stopped Grunbeld.

As for Casca, I strongly doubt, she will be anywhere near as she was back in old times. Otherwise she wouldn't have lost her mind due to the events in the eclipse in the first place, because it would mean she would have been mentally strong enough to bear the death of the Hawks, Griffith's betrayal and the knowledge of Guts having witnessed how she was raped.

But she wasn't.

Restoring her mind won't make her stronger. And that Skull Knight mentioned, it might not be her wish to get her mind back, is proof that Casca doesn't want her sanity back.

But even so, I find a normally speaking Casca still more enjoyable than saying some childish verbalism like "ah", "oh" and the like...

[Blaze of Glory]

Flora probably wasn't dead yet, when she stopped Grunbeld.

As for Casca, I strongly doubt, she will be anywhere near as she was back in old times. Otherwise she wouldn't have lost her mind due to the events in the eclipse in the first place, because it would mean she would have been mentally strong enough to bear the death of the Hawks, Griffith's betrayal and the knowledge of Guts having witnessed how she was raped.

But she wasn't.

Restoring her mind won't make her stronger. And that Skull Knight mentioned, it might not be her wish to get her mind back, is proof that Casca doesn't want her sanity back.

But even so, I find a normally speaking Casca still more enjoyable than saying some childish verbalism like "ah", "oh" and the like...


It makes her several times hotter when she's lost her sanity then when she was actually able to make sense. Plus, when she's able to be restored to her natural state odds are she won't do much or probaly die.

She didn't use any magic to calm down Guts at Vritanis. And she wasn't rejected by Guts inner beast when she got caught inside Guts', she was able to get close to the beast and awake Guts just by talking to him and touch him, something that no one else could do.

Actually, she has to put her hands by his eyes and pull them back to awaken him not with touch.

I do think that Girffith will become king. However, timeskip or not, we cant be sure about Guts' final destiny until the end of the series, and i think that Schierke will be involved in it, whatever this destiny is.



Hey, you never know, anything is possible at this point and It's impossible to tell if Gut's will stay with Schierke or remain faithful to Caska.


She's not using magic yet in that scan. And Guts is already on his senses thanks to her. Schierke can touch the very core of Guts' soul, and she's ¨welcomed¨ there. No one else did that before, not even Caska.

Caska is always in Gut's heart and nothing can change that plus she made her way there using magic and is able to calm him using magic so that's a bit of a cheap trick.

The dark beast didn't exist back then. Calming down an angry Guts (not an easy job, though) cant hold a candle to calming down the dark beast with Berserker armour on.

Ever thought because she's not sane yet? If Caska was able to regain her senses you could guarantee that'd she be able to do it easily.

[Freija]

well the main defense for Gutts loving Caska is that Gutts actually dissed going after Griffith for her

[Locard]

As for Casca, I strongly doubt, she will be anywhere near as she was back in old times. Otherwise she wouldn't have lost her mind due to the events in the eclipse in the first place, because it would mean she would have been mentally strong enough to bear the death of the Hawks, Griffith's betrayal and the knowledge of Guts having witnessed how she was raped.

But she wasn't.

Restoring her mind won't make her stronger. And that Skull Knight mentioned, it might not be her wish to get her mind back, is proof that Casca doesn't want her sanity back.
I have to agree with this.Caska being the same as before is very unlikely.

However, anything is possible. You never know what to expect in Berserk, and that's one of the good things of this manga.

[Segan]

I have to agree with this.Caska being the same as before is very unlikely.

However, anything is possible. You never know what to expect in Berserk, and that's one of the good things of this manga.

Guess, you are right. I just somehow got the feeling, that Miura will make things more twisted in regards of Casca.

I think, it's pretty safe to say that Guts' original plan (or rather an unspoken, not too clear intention, he's not a careful strategist after all) was to get Casca to a safe place and then return to the battlefield and to seek a chance to kill Griffith.

But if Casca regains her sanity, then she will cause Guts emotional stress because of her twisted feelings towards Griffith. I'm pretty sure this will happen in case the fairy king heals her.

[MdB]

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3222/07v033zt9hx.th.jpg (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=07v033zt9hx.jpg)

Waiting for berserk is hard :(

[Segan]

It is...

Anyway, the Hawks under Griffith's command always were victorious even against armies with numbers several times higher than theirs. As long as no Pisacas and Dacas are used, we can expect the defeat of the Kushan army...

[MdB]

I agree, but i never knew that the hawks have humans in there army.

[Yakuza]

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3222/07v033zt9hx.th.jpg (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=07v033zt9hx.jpg)

Waiting for berserk is hard :(

it is the best out there..... you can handle it...

I FREAKING CAN'T!!!!!!!

[Segan]

I agree, but i never knew that the hawks have humans in there army.

What made you think that? When Mule was introduced, it was already obvious that humans were the much larger part in numbers of the Neo Hawks. The Apostles are simply the raiding troop to create an opening for the regular Hawks...

Look closer at the battle in volume 23, where Griffith helped out Mule and his troops against a Kushan attack.

[stingy]

Looks like the raw for 281 is out. Got this from skullknight.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/qawsmm

Zodd's on a killing spree!smile-big

[Yakuza]

Looks like the raw for 281 is out. Got this from skullknight.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/qawsmm

Zodd's on a killing spree!smile-big

OMFG!!! I just cumed!

[Segan]

All of the Apostles are always on a killing spree...

Just now, when I saw the first picture of Zodd in that chapter, I just realized something.
I always was thinking about how a match-up like Zodd vs. Grunbeld would turn out, because Guts had a pretty hard time against Grunbeld and he's considered to be on par with Zodd, when it comes to sword skills. And also because Grunbeld is so fucking heavily armored and has a damn thick shield.
But actually, Zodd shouldn't have a problem to strike Grunbeld's human form down. His speed and skills must be superior to him, and his inhuman strength should easily allow him to tear his armor apart.

What do you think?


And well, Berserk kicks ass as usual. Thought, Irvine would be the only apostle to take a role in the current ambush attack, but I was wrong.

[Haohmaru]

Zod could own most of the army on his own. Griffiths army is clearly in an advantage

[Zaru]

The kushans are so easily to disorganise and confuse, and now with Apostles joining the fight, they're dead meat.

[Locard]

No Gutschierke on this chapter?:(, oh well
All of the Apostles are always on a killing spree...

Just now, when I saw the first picture of Zodd in that chapter, I just realized something.
I always was thinking about how a match-up like Zodd vs. Grunbeld would turn out, because Guts had a pretty hard time against Grunbeld and he's considered to be on par with Zodd, when it comes to sword skills. And also because Grunbeld is so fucking heavily armored and has a damn thick shield.
But actually, Zodd shouldn't have a problem to strike Grunbeld's human form down. His speed and skills must be superior to him, and his inhuman strength should easily allow him to tear his armor apart.

What do you think?
I think that Grunbeld would beat the crap outta Zodd, in either of his forms.

In their human forms, it would be a close match. But if they fight each other in their demon forms, Zodd wouldn't be able to do shiet to Grunbeld, he's nowhere near as durable.
Berserker Guts barely survived against Grunbeld and i can see B.Guts defeating Zodd's demon form with his current level.

My apostle ranking

1- Rakshas (scary and mysterious like no other)
2- Grunbeld
3- Zodd
4- Locus
5- the guy with the bow

[Freija]

Zodd is probably the most powerful apostle out there. It's even hinted at this when they burned Floras mansion when he told the skull knight "Don't be mistaken, im the only one who can hold you"

[Segan]

I bet my damn ass, that if Berserker Guts could crack Grunbelds Apostle skin, then Zodd is capable of ripping Grunbeld apart...

But then again, it's a matter of opinion, since we haven't seen them fighting each other and probably won't.

[Freija]

well we haven't seen any of them go all out either, we've seen Zodd go nuts a few times but not really fighting

[Moridin]

I bet my damn ass, that if Berserker Guts could crack Grunbelds Apostle skin, then Zodd is capable of ripping Grunbeld apart...

But then again, it's a matter of opinion, since we haven't seen them fighting each other and probably won't.

I pretty much agree with that perspective on them, Zodd is probably on another level still. Not downloaded the raw, waiting for a scan for once ><

[Haohmaru]

Evil-Genius already released their version http://www.sendspace.com/file/62vlma

[Freija]

They did :omg

[Moridin]

oh tight

downloading time

[Khamzul]

Well, this was not a very surprising chapter, but the look on Zodd before he attacks was priceless. Not any new elements to the battle apart from Griffiths strategies - wierd that the Kushan doesn't use scouts. I liked it, but hoping for some turn of the tide next chapter.

[Kepa]

Well, this was not a very surprising chapter, but the look on Zodd before he attacks was priceless. Not any new elements to the battle apart from Griffiths strategies - wierd that the Kushan doesn't use scouts. I liked it, but hoping for some turn of the tide next chapter.
they did use scouts... remember the chapters in which guts fought a horde of monsters that secretly snuk in the city :P

griffith's army just appeared out of nowhere... kusshan couldn't have predicted that

[Khamzul]

^Well, I forgot the opportunity of the scouts being taken out by the archers (which could do this from a long distance).

[Segan]

The Hawks simply waited their turn and only acted after the Kushan were already playing their final move.

But hell, did you even realize that? Griffith with his human soldiers were riding towards the Kushan, and the enemy thought, it was alright, it's only a few compared to their own numbers. But then, fuck, the lance troops (they're Apostles!) that flanced Griffith's men suddenly dashed forward and took the Kushans by surprise.

It's those strategy details that makes me realize just how awesome an strategist Griffith is (of course I know, it's Miura who makes it look like it).

Anyway, I can't wait for Ganishka to take his turn. He talked so big back then, when the Apostles attacked Windham. Now we will see, what he's actually worth.

[Kepa]

It's those strategy details that makes me realize just how awesome an strategist Griffith is (of course I know, it's Miura who makes it look like it).in all honesty, I think even the worst strategist on earth would win a battle when he commanded all the apostles in the world :P

[Segan]

in all honesty, I think even the worst strategist on earth would win a battle when he commanded all the apostles in the world :P

But Griffith doesn't command all the Apostles in the world :P

[Locard]

I bet my damn ass, that if Berserker Guts could crack Grunbelds Apostle skin, then Zodd is capable of ripping Grunbeld apart..More like: if Berserker Guts could crack Grunbeld's apostle skin, then he would split Zodd in two.

I've seen Zodd losing his horn, losing his arm, fried by Ganishka, punked by Guts, bossed around by Guts. meh. he's hardly as impressive as before.

Grunbeld and Rashkas are stronger

Grunbeld did show durability way outta Zodd's league

Rashkas said that he wants Griffith's beautiful head for him only, and that's the reason he will protect him from other enemies, for now :omg

[Segan]

So what? Zodd even stated it himself, that among the Apostles, there were no real contenders. This was shortly before he lost his horn to Griffith (who is a fucking God Hand!).
And he lost his arm against Skull Knight, who is believed to be the strongest among the strongest and even possesses a weapon that could defeat the God Hand.

And Grunbeld's durability doesn't even matter, because he's so damn slow and won't prevent Zodd from tossing him around, until he breaks. Heck, he whitstood Ganishka's powerful lightning strikes several times and was perfectly fine after that.

[Freija]

More like: if Berserker Guts could crack Grunbeld's apostle skin, then he would split Zodd in two.

I've seen Zodd losing his horn, losing his arm, fried by Ganishka, punked by Guts, bossed around by Guts. meh. he's hardly as impressive as before.

Grunbeld and Rashkas are stronger

Grunbeld did show durability way outta Zodd's league

Rashkas said that he wants Griffith's beautiful head for him only, and that's the reason he will protect him from other enemies, for now :omg

Wow your fanboyism just rised to another level XDDDDDDDDDDDD

Guts have never bossed around with Zodd, Zodd has lost his horn... TO GRIFFITH who is only a god more or less...

he was only fried by ganishka because he didn't have anything to attack him with... and if my memory doesn't fail me, Gutts would've gotten his ass slapped if Zodd weren't there.......

[Locard]

So what? Zodd even stated it himself, that among the Apostles, there were no real contenders. This was shortly before he lost his horn to Griffith He said it before Grunbeld and Lakshas appeared. However, he also said that Guts wouldn't survive the eclipse, or that he would ¨just dance with him for a while¨. I dont believe Zodd's bs anymore.
And he lost his arm against Skull Knight, who is believed to be the strongest among the strongest and even possesses a weapon that could defeat the God Hand.He didn't show any skills to deal with the god hand during the eclipse.

And Grunbeld's durability doesn't even matter, because he's so damn slow and won't prevent Zodd from tossing him around, until he breaksGrunbeld slow? Reality check, Grunbeld owned regular Guts in any terms of combat, and regular Guts is around the speed of Zodd

Going by your logic, Guts should have been able to dance around Grunbeld, (and that's very far from truth)
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/grunbeld8.jpg

Heck, he whitstood Ganishka's powerful lightning strikes several times and was perfectly fine after that.[Nothing that dragon Grunbeld couldn't do with a hand tied to his back.


Guts have never bossed around with Zodd
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/rtyh.png
If that isn't being bossed around i dont know what it is.

You might want to note that Zodd is afraid of getting his head chopped off by regular/wounded Guts. I'd like to see Guts trying to do that to Grunbeld in his demon form.

he was only fried by ganishka because he didn't have anything to attack him with... and if my memory doesn't fail me, Gutts would've gotten his ass slapped if Zodd weren't there.......I think it was the other way around
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/ddff.png
Frame 3: Guts mocking at Zodd's uselessnes
Frame 4: take a look at Zodd's pitiful and helpless expression..priceless:lmao

[Segan]

That's a big misunderstanding...


Pleeeeaaase, consider the circumstances you use your examples to prove your points.

Guts was totally exhausted and could barely hold his sword after he encountered Slann, one of the God Hand. That's why the regular (since you toned that word so much) Guts didn't stand a chance against Grunbeld.

And it's right, I believe Zodd's bullshit more than you do. He would own every single Apostle in an one-to-one combat, including Grunbeld and the likes. Ganishka is an exception because of his ability to create an astral body, or, if you want to look the other way around, because of the lack of effective weapons.

Guts was able to boss Zodd around, because he instinctively held on his back after they both fell into water and because Zodd was too busy with Ganishka to notice Guts sooner.

And about Ganishka: If Guts had to fight alone, he would have been killed. If Zodd was alone, he wouldn't have been able to hurt Ganishka. Because Guts alone had the weapon, and Zodd alone could bring that weapon into the weak spot, they fought together.
If you say it like Zodd would have gotten his ass kicked if it wasn't for Guts, then it's only the half of the truth.

[Locard]

Once again, you have your opinions, but i have the truth:woo
Fact: Regular Guts was fast/strong/skilled enough to fight evenly with Zodd.

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/gutsvszodd.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/gutsvszodd3.jpg
^ Yeah, the same Guts that barely made a crack on Grunbeld's skin at full power ,with berserker armour on.

You might want to note that Demon Grunbeld didn't took any real damage from Guts at all, and if it wasn't for Flora, the manga would have ended early.

Fact: Zodd respects Grunbeld a lot, and we know that Zodd has a tendency to kill his fellow apostles if they pisses him off, which is extremely easy to do.
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/grunbeld1.jpg
Zodd, who was eager to fight Guts, steps aside as soon as Grunbeld asked for a match with Guts.

Fact: Regular Guts, the same that was keeping up with Zodd, was totally owned by Grunbeld

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/grunbeld2.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/grunbeld3.jpg
^Guts totally overwhelmed by Grunbeld's strenght, and Guts was able to take hits from demon Zodd and many other strong apostles.

Grunbeld would beat the crap outta Zodd. Not an easy match, though since Zodd's ability to fly, if applied properly, gives him a vast advantage.

[Segan]

Guts would have been killed by Zodd's Apostle form in the long run anyway. The same goes for the fight against Grunbeld. There's no question about that.

But what I'm trying to say is, that Guts was too weakened to be a match for Grunbeld, because a fucking God Hand hurt him before. If he was at his full health like against Zodd, Guts would have defeated Grunbeld's human form in the long run.

Do you understand?

Guts was hurt badly even before he fought Grunbeld.

[Freija]

Once again, you have your opinions, but i have the truth:woowow all i've seen you write is total BS so far :nuts i wonder if that will change
Fact: Regular Guts was fast/strong/skilled enough to fight evenly with Zodd.Human Zodd

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/gutsvszodd.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/gutsvszodd3.jpgMhmm remember what happend afterward then ? like in Gutts getting his ass handed to him ?
^ Yeah, the same Guts that barely made a crack on Grunbeld's skin at full power ,with berserker armour on.
Just because Grunbelds skin is hard doesn't mean Zodd can't rip through it
You might want to note that Demon Grunbeld didn't took any real damage from Guts at all, and if it wasn't for Flora, the manga would have ended early.Considering how much that attack gutts got in on Zodd did you can't say he hurt Zodd badly

Fact: Zodd respects Grunbeld a lot, and we know that Zodd has a tendency to kill his fellow apostles if they pisses him off, which is extremely easy to do. He hasn't killed a single apostle from the band of the hawk because it's Griffiths army, and besides it's Grundbeld that holds respect for Zodd, he even calls him Zodd-dono which is arguable more respect giving than -sama.
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Zodd, who was eager to fight Guts, steps aside as soon as Grunbeld asked for a match with Guts.the reason came later on as Zodd told skull knight he was the only one who could hold him back.

Fact: Regular Guts, the same that was keeping up with Zodd, was totally owned by Grunbeld

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/grunbeld2.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/grunbeld3.jpg
^Guts totally overwhelmed by Grunbeld's strenght, and Guts was able to take hits from demon Zodd and many other strong apostles.
Because Gutts was barely able to stand, but once again your fanboyism > facts...
Grunbeld would beat the crap outta Zodd. Not an easy match, though since Zodd's ability to fly, if applied properly, gives him a vast advantage.

like i said.... bullshit again

[Locard]

Oh please stop trying to justify Guts'complete defeat against Grunbeld
cause ¨he was weakened¨. Guts is wounded like in 90% of his fights and you know it.

He was weakened? yeah, but dont say things such ¨he could barely hold his sword¨, he was slicing apostles the same way he always does before Grunbeld arrived.

Puck also said that he thought that Guts wounds were already healed.

However, all the ¨he was wounded¨ arguement is left aside when it comes to berserker Guts. Berserker Guts won against Grunbeld's 1st form, but he would have been killed by the second.

And if you think that the ¨wounded¨ arguement is so valid, i can do the same.

Guts, during the battle of Vritanis, fought an army of kushan monsters, Dhavai and his giant elemental pet, took a lighting from Ganishaka
a fried Zodd falling over him and many other things.

Well, this exhausted, wounded Guts was totally sure that he could chop Zodd's head off right there, and Zodd was also sure.

what im trying to say is

Berserker Guts can barely make a crack on Grunbeld's skin
When a wounded/regular Guts is more than enough to chop Zodd's head off

Grunbeld > Zodd

oh, and Berserker Guts > Zodd

Well, the real results are uncertain, since Zodd can always fly his ass outta there, in case he's getting owned. The days of Zodd being the strongest apostle are over imo.

[Freija]

tbh locard, im just sick of your bullshit, all i can tell you is read the manga thoroughly and come back pls

[Segan]

Yeah, I've seen it often. People, who understand what they read, completely different than the majority does.

But I'm still amazed how you interpret those things, Locard. It's totally wrong in my opinion, and I'm sure, the majority would agree with me.

But what really bothers me is that you claim your statements are truth. Which I cannot agree to...

[Freija]

Yeah, I've seen it often. People, who understand what they read, completely different than the majority does.

But I'm still amazed how you interpret those things, Locard. It's totally wrong in my opinion, and I'm sure, the majority would agree with me.

But what really bothers me is that you claim your statements are truth. Which I cannot agree to...
which is why im getting agitated and is currently not going to actually respond to his comments anymore

[Yakuza]

cmon guys....... take it easy.... we all know Puck is the don... lol >.o

[Freija]

finally someone i can agree with, Puck >>>> anyone :3

[Kepa]

Berserker Guts can barely make a crack on Grunbeld's skin
When a wounded/regular Guts is more than enough to chop Zodd's head off

Grunbeld > Zodd

oh, and Berserker Guts > Zodd

Well, the real results are uncertain, since Zodd can always fly his ass outta there, in case he's getting owned. The days of Zodd being the strongest apostle are over imo.
well I didn't go through the trouble of reading your entire discussion... but let me add 2 things.
1) strenght isn't everything, grunbeld is like a walking armor... sure he hits hard and it's night impossible to hurt him... but once you do hurt him (and as in every manga the protagnist finds a way) he'll go down faster as easly as cutting pie. His released form could prove very powerful (fire breathing and all, but will most likely end up as just an improved version of himself).

Zodd is a killing machine, he cuts with great strenght and speed....he's basically like the gut's version of the apostles. He would find a way.

2) Zodd has been a character that's been around since the beginning, and it's quite clear the mangaka has a liking to him (him being griffith's personal aid is just prove of that). When the time comes he'll probably outlive grunbeld, because he's simply more important.

you guys should pay attention to the fact that real life physics not always apply to a world inside a mangaka's head.

[Segan]

I'm taking it easy ^^

Otherwise I would call anyone, who doesn't agree with me a liar and the like...

But yeah, Miura did set several hints throughout the manga, that Zodd indeed is the strongest (and the most important) out of all the apostles.

- Zodd is Griffith's personal bodyguard (and don't come me with Rakhsas who killed some Kushan archers who attempted to kill Griffith...it's obvious that Zodd didn't do anything since Rakshas was nearer to them anyway...)

- Zodd stated that there were no real opponents among the Apostles

- Zodd is the only one of the Apostles capable of stopping Skull Knight (why would Miura make him say that if that's not true?).

- Grunbeld is addressing to Zodd as his superior...

Nosferatu Zodd is just the man... :P

[Yakuza]

I'm taking it easy ^^

Otherwise I would call anyone, who doesn't agree with me a liar and the like...

But yeah, Miura did set several hints throughout the manga, that Zodd indeed is the strongest (and the most important) out of all the apostles.

- Zodd is Griffith's personal bodyguard (and don't come me with Rakhsas who killed some Kushan archers who attempted to kill Griffith...it's obvious that Zodd didn't do anything since Rakshas was nearer to them anyway...)

- Zodd stated that there were no real opponents among the Apostles

- Zodd is the only one of the Apostles capable of stopping Skull Knight (why would Miura make him say that if that's not true?).

- Grunbeld is addressing to Zodd as his superior...

Nosferatu Zodd is just the man... :P

I don't want to get into a massive argument but you guys are actually right...

Zodd is the main Apostle and apart from Griffin, he is the main villain (in my opinion he is more importatn thn the other God hands....)

We know Grunbeld is shit scared of Zodd, that is why he address him as his superior and knows he would get fucked up if he goes against him...

it is just the way it is... Griffin > Zodd > Gods Hand > Grunbeld > Loctus > Archer (can't remember his name) > Apostles > all other fuckers.... lol

But Puck owns them all.....

[Freija]

I don't want to get into a massive argument but you guys are actually right...

Zodd is the main Apostle and apart from Griffin, he is the main villain (in my opinion he is more importatn thn the other God hands....)

We know Grunbeld is shit scared of Zodd, that is why he address him as his superior and knows he would get fucked up if he goes against him...

it is just the way it is... Griffin > Zodd > Gods Hand > Grunbeld > Loctus > Archer (can't remember his name) > Apostles > all other fuckers.... lol

But Puck owns them all.....
i disagree Puck > God hands > Zodd, etc

[Zaru]

Are you talking about current Puck or Puck prime?

[Yakuza]

Are you talking about current Puck or Puck prime?

current Puck!!!!

Puck is cool!!!! is sweet!! intelligent!!! brave!! bad ass mo'fo!!! it can fly!!!

comon.... i wish I was Puck

[Freija]

Puck prime is overkill, i mean he's omnipotent

[Zaru]

The only one to ever match Puck will be TonTon from Naruto. You know, the piglet with the jedi mind tricks, who is secretly pulling the strings behind everything. Seriously, how can a pig that only says "pueeee" be understood by people? It must be because of the jedi mind tricks.

I'm not sure if Puck can handle him, he'll probably need to transform into chestnut form which takes a lot of power.

[Yakuza]

The only one to ever match Puck will be TonTon from Naruto. You know, the piglet with the jedi mind tricks, who is secretly pulling the strings behind everything. Seriously, how can a pig that only says "pueeee" be understood by people? It must be because of the jedi mind tricks.

I'm not sure if Puck can handle him, he'll probably need to transform into chestnut form which takes a lot of power.

hauhauhau... TonTon is class.....
actually, i was thinking that the Panguin Mafia from Madagascar could match Puck and TonTon.....

Seriously, those penguins freaking rox!!!!!

anywayz, going back to Berserk.....
how long do you guys think Berserk is going to be??? seriously.... its been what, 15 years already???

[Zaru]

Well it's gonna be a few more years of course. It's the work of Miura's life, after all, isn't it?

[Yakuza]

Well it's gonna be a few more years of course. It's the work of Miura's life, after all, isn't it?

hope i'm alive at the end.....

i love this manga so much... i've been following for 11 years now.....

[Zaru]

Seriously? I've just started reading last year.

I would have considered buying the tankobons but they are quite expensive and after spending 2000 dollars on manga I've pretty much stopped buying long series in an instant :/

[Yakuza]

Seriously? I've just started reading last year.

I would have considered buying the tankobons but they are quite expensive and after spending 2000 dollars on manga I've pretty much stopped buying long series in an instant :/

$2000 :nuts
are you crazy!!!!!?????

well, i can't say much... i did spend quite a lot of money on manga....
but now, i have over 15GB.... its much easier downloading... :nod

yep, ive been following berserker for a long time...... but still, after all these years, it hasn't bored me once!!! that's why i love it...

[Zaru]

Well 2000$ over 4 years aren't THAT much, but yeah it seems like a lot of money. Better than spending it on merchandise, though.

I also currently have a LOAD of mangas on my harddisk. 20 GB , equalling 95000 pages of manga, and Berserk ALONE takes 1,75 GB and 7000 pages of that.

But, this is going offtopic.

[Yakuza]

But, this is going offtopic.

long time ago.... :P

reps for you! (as soon as i can give reps again...hehehe)

[Segan]

What the hell are you talking about Puck Prime? The current Puck IS in the prime... :P

[Freija]

nooooo, Puck Prime is Puck after he's been in the sun for 15k years gathering power!


i've read Berserk for 2-3 years now i think

[9TalesOfDestruction]

Am i the only one who thinks beserk will never be completed???

it makes it hard for me to stay into it, with the idea that i'll never see how this ends running through the back of my head.

:(



just had to say that, cause i love this series but the plot hasn't gone anywhere in over a year now.....

[Freija]

Am i the only one who thinks beserk will never be completed???

it makes it hard for me to stay into it, with the idea that i'll never see how this ends running through the back of my head.

:(



just had to say that, cause i love this series but the plot hasn't gone anywhere in over a year now.....

then you don't know plot when you see it -_-;;

[Jotun]

I read berserk about 6 years back and then started up again in 02.

I heard that after Berserk, Miura plans to do a Vampire manga or something.

I can expect the manga to go on 2-3 more years.

[Zaru]

A vampire manga? Probably in an european setting in the middle ages again, which rocks combined with his art.

[Freija]

well i can see him doing the 2 mangas at the same time... because berserk has still a good 4 years atleast

[Jotun]

A vampire manga? Probably in an european setting in the middle ages again, which rocks combined with his art.

Exactly my thoughts, and I would love to see his take on vampires. Hopefully he goes the Dracula route and how Vlad first became Dracula etc...

well i can see him doing the 2 mangas at the same time... because berserk has still a good 4 years atleast

Idk about 2 at the same time, that would just drag out things much more :cry

[frizbee1]

I've once heard someone say Berserk may go to around 50 volumes (which I wouldn't mind) If true Berserk tends to come out with one volume every 7 to 8 months which would be another 11 years or so.... But I've never heard Miura say anything to guess when it would stop officially. I just hope he doesn't die before completing it!

[Segan]

Well, I don't think Miura would want Berserk to be his only project, so he has to finish it at some point of time...

But where did you get the info Miura would like to make a vampire manga?

[9TalesOfDestruction]

then you don't know plot when you see it -_-;;

I mean, you can defend it all you want too...

but the truth is, it took an entire year for about 1 night of story line to advance......

and their is a differnce between having a good plot and not advancing in plot for a year..

beserk is probably one of the best written stories i've ever read....but it took over a year to get passed ONE fight (that wasn't even that interesting). I guess it's finally starting to pick up again, but it still just the next day and another fight.

[Moridin]

and their is a differnce between having a good plot and not advancing in plot for a year..

indeed, I went on Hiatus from reading berserk for quite a while and there were still only 7 chapters more than when I'd left off when I figured I should return to reading :/