Berserk Discussion Thread

[yo586]

It's funny cuz Gut's blames him for everything and yet he's the one who left him because he didn't want to play second fiddle to Griffith. :facepalm Shit I'd go as far to say he's pretty much responsible for all the darkness.

Ridiculous. How can he be blamed for asserting his right to freedom, and to be seen as an equal? He even did it as nonviolently as possible. Can't really lay the blame on Guts for that.

[Blaze of Glory]

Ridiculous. How can he be blamed for asserting his right to freedom, and to be seen as an equal?

It's not that part; it's the fact that he wasn't thinking about anyone other than himself. He claims to want to be Griffith's best friend yet he threw it away to travel the world in order to find his calling. I have no problem with him wanting to be free but c'mon even he noticed how he's Griffith's ace in the hole. But thanks to Gut's selfless act Griffith lost his chance at getting his kingdom and inadvertently completed the God Hand. That's my whole take on it.

[Red Viking]

It's not that part; it's the fact that he wasn't thinking about anyone other than himself. He claims to want to be Griffith's best friend yet he threw it away to travel the world in order to find his calling. I have no problem with him wanting to be free but c'mon even he noticed how he's Griffith's ace in the hole. But thanks to Gut's selfless act Griffith lost his chance at getting his kingdom and inadvertently completed the God Hand. That's my whole take on it.

The only way you can hold Guts responsible for everything that happened is if he had prior knowledge of what his actions would ultimately cause, which he didn't. His leaving may have started the chain of events, but Gut's is not responsible for the decisions Griffith made.

If you hold him responsible for the creation of Femto, you also have to blame Guts for the deaths of everyone in the Band of the Hawk, Caska's rape, the corruption of his and Caska's son, the deaths of everyone who were sacrificed during Femto's resurrection into the human world, the death of Schierke's teacher, the deaths of everyone that the trolls killed in that one village not to mention the rape of all the women who were taken, etc...

Using the same logic, you could also say that Guts' actions were a good thing because it ultimately resulted in Griffith uniting humans and apostles and leading them to victory against a mad tyrant who would have consumed the entirety of Midland.

It results in a butterfly effect and you can't really hold people responsible for that because if you go back far enough, some germ gets blamed for splitting in two.

[MaskedMenace]

I still don't get the overlapping of dimensions business. Miura needs to draw me a diagram, I just can't picture it in my head... And I hate it when things in stories happen "just 'cause" or "because they're special" -- there should be a more concrete reason behind it.


http://skullknight.net/encyclopedia/universe/

Well does this help to understand the overlapping of dimensions?

Ganishka took power from the abyss when he reincarnated himself again. This was explained when Daiba said that hell itself is flowing into the real world itself.

Since the abyss is being pulled into the real world, the 5 different layers are merging much closer together.

It's not that part; it's the fact that he wasn't thinking about anyone other than himself. He claims to want to be Griffith's best friend yet he threw it away to travel the world in order to find his calling. I have no problem with him wanting to be free but c'mon even he noticed how he's Griffith's ace in the hole. But thanks to Gut's selfless act Griffith lost his chance at getting his kingdom and inadvertently completed the God Hand. That's my whole take on it.

He only went because he wanted to be seen as an equal towards Griffith. Griffith was the one who said that the one who he truly consider a friend is someone who fights for his own dream. It was a misunderstanding on Guts's part but Griffith was not innocent on this one either.

Guts only left when the war was over so it is not like he betrayed him in his time of need.

Also if you want to blame anybody for all the misery in berserk, it is idea of evil.

[Blaze of Glory]

The only way you can hold Guts responsible for everything that happened is if he had prior knowledge of what his actions would ultimately cause, which he didn't. His leaving may have started the chain of events, but Gut's is not responsible for the decisions Griffith made.

If you hold him responsible for the creation of Femto, you also have to blame Guts for the deaths of everyone in the Band of the Hawk, Caska's rape, the corruption of his and Caska's son, the deaths of everyone who were sacrificed during Femto's resurrection into the human world, the death of Schierke's teacher, the deaths of everyone that the trolls killed in that one village not to mention the rape of all the women who were taken, etc...

Using the same logic, you could also say that Guts' actions were a good thing because it ultimately resulted in Griffith uniting humans and apostles and leading them to victory against a mad tyrant who would have consumed the entirety of Midland.

It results in a butterfly effect and you can't really hold people responsible for that because if you go back far enough, some germ gets blamed for splitting in two.

You make it seem like I don't have the balls to blame him for that cuz I do. Yes, it is clearly his fault. The Hell hound that follows Guts clearly spells it out he is pretty much something of a black cat he is bad luck to anyone who follows him. Also how can't you blame him for Griffith's depression and fucking Charlotte out of despair. Yes, Griffith's actions are his own; but the fact he's the one who put him in this position is his fault.


He only went because he wanted to be seen as an equal towards Griffith. Griffith was the one who said that the one who he truly consider a friend is someone who fights for his own dream. It was a misunderstanding on Guts's part but Griffith was not innocent on this one either.

I agree Griffith isn't innocent but Gut's leaving him just to prove that he's equal if not better than Griffith. Shit, I don't see why he even needed to do that since he was just as famous as Griffith. Gut's leaving him is a textbook case of abandoning a good friend. The relationship between the two is parallel to Suzaku and Lelouch. Together there is nothing they can't do. Gut's didn't need to take that bullshit about Griffith's requirement for a good so seriously it's like how Griffith didn't take Gut's seriously when he mocked him for killing some of his soldiers when they first met. It's just one honking their own horn.

[MaskedMenace]

I agree Griffith isn't innocent but Gut's leaving him just to prove that he's equal if not better than Griffith. Shit, I don't see why he even needed to do that since he was just as famous as Griffith.

Guts is only famous because of Griffith.

He wanted to achieve his own dream, so he can be like Griffith. Not just be in Griffith's shadow.

Together there is nothing they can't do. Gut's didn't need to take that bullshit about Griffith's requirement for a good so seriously

Guts murdered a kid for griffith and then found out that Griffith doesn't consider him a true friend.

He didn't need to take it so seriously like how Griffith did not need to take his leave so hard.

They both misunderstood each other.

Gut's leaving him is a textbook case of abandoning a good friend.

A textbook example would be if he left during the war. Guts only left when Griffith had everything he needed.

-a high enough rank to marry the princess plus she is willing
- the popularity of the public

Guts wanted to leave when he was no longer needed as mercenary. That made sense.

[Kusuriuri]

I think some of you must have missed what Griffith was saying to the princess when Gutts and Caska could hear him. That really affected Gutts and cemented him leaving Griffith.

[Deathbringerpt]

Are you guys seriously blaming Guts for all this shit because he left the Hawks?

Fucking wow....

[Muk]

some twisted up logic there to blame Gutts :zaru

[MaskedMenace]

Just a question Deathbringerpt and Kusuriuri. You guys are using plural words "like some of you" or "you guys".

I was under the impression only Blaze of Glory is the one saying it is Gut's fault. So why refer to more then one person?

[Kusuriuri]

Just a question Deathbringerpt and Kusuriuri. You guys are using plural words "like some of you" or "you guys".

I was under the impression only Blaze of Glory is the one saying it is Gut's fault.

I was referring to whoever was with the thinking that Gutts was an ass for leaving, but you're right.

[Malumultimus]

http://skullknight.net/encyclopedia/universe/

Well does this help to understand the overlapping of dimensions?

Ganishka took power from the abyss when he reincarnated himself again. This was explained when Daiba said that hell itself is flowing into the real world itself.

Since the abyss is being pulled into the real world, the 5 different layers are merging much closer together.

No, I've seen that diagram before and I still don't get it.

How did he "take power from the Abyss"? What does that even mean? Do all Apostles do it (by you know just being Apostles)? And how does him taking power from it, Skull Knight's sword, and Griffith all come together to bring the age of darkness? I don't like vague concepts. It sounds like, "Ganishka took power from the Abyss (doesn't make sense) so he had the Abyss inside him (doesn't make sense) and Femto used Skull Knight's dimension-splitting sword (doesn't make sense) to open the Abyss to the real world (maybe makes sense...)."

[MaskedMenace]

How did he "take power from the Abyss"? What does that even mean?

Ganishka who is already an apostle reincarnated via artificial beherit. He transcended being an apostle by being reincarnated again to a higher being. Which is how he took power from the Abyss.

And how does him taking power from it, Skull Knight's sword, and Griffith all come together to bring the age of darkness?

First of all we do not even know what age of darkness will look like.

Though to your question.

Griffith- his appearance is the catalyst for the events that happened and his presence started the merging.

Ganishka- He took power from the Abyss when he got reincarnated to challenge Griffith and thus has a connection to it.

Skull Knight's sword- a weapon that can cut through space since it is powered by beherits, keys which can open gates between the dimension.

So Griffith whose appearance already started the merging, caused Ganishka to want to transcend which resulted in him taking a part of the Abyss with him. Griffith then used Skull Knight's sword as a key to open the Abyss that was contained in Ganishka and released in the real world.

It sounds like, "Ganishka took power from the Abyss (doesn't make sense) so he had the Abyss inside him (doesn't make sense)

What does not make sense about that? An apostle reincarnated himself again so he went into the Abyss and contained that power within himself.

and Femto used Skull Knight's dimension-splitting sword (doesn't make sense)

What is confusing about that? Beherits are used as a key to access other dimensions. Femto just used that to open the Abyss to the real world.

[Red Viking]

You make it seem like I don't have the balls to blame him for that cuz I do. Yes, it is clearly his fault. The Hell hound that follows Guts clearly spells it out he is pretty much something of a black cat he is bad luck to anyone who follows him. Also how can't you blame him for Griffith's depression and fucking Charlotte out of despair. Yes, Griffith's actions are his own; but the fact he's the one who put him in this position is his fault.

This isn't about you having the balls to say something controversial. This is about you wrongly blaming someone for the actions of another.

[Blaze of Glory]

Guts is only famous because of Griffith.

He wanted to achieve his own dream, so he can be like Griffith. Not just be in Griffith's shadow.

Dude he slaughter Chuder's best commander all by himself how is that being in his shadow and pretty much brought an end to the war on his own.



Guts murdered a kid for griffith and then found out that Griffith doesn't consider him a true friend.

And then he later figures out his home was with the hawks. How the fuck does Griffith not consider him a friend when he's crying about him leaving after sleeping with the princess. Yes, he defeated him and hurt his pride but also his heart. He never took the chance to fully understand Griffith. Caska said it pretty well when attacking Guts "although he talks tough Griffith is all alone" and having Guts by his side made him confident.


He didn't need to take it so seriously like how Griffith did not need to take his leave so hard.

They both misunderstood each other.


That's why I'm saying he didn't need to leave him until he got a better idea of Griffith.


A textbook example would be if he left during the war. Guts only left when Griffith had everything he needed.

-a high enough rank to marry the princess plus she is willing
- the popularity of the public

-I guess that's why the king went batshit after he figured out he fucked Charlotte. :zaru

- So Guts was nothing afterall? :oh Guts clearly said he didn't think he was a bad person after slaughtering the mercenaries who killed the queen and them. :zaru

Zodd's prophecy said he would be the key to his ascension to demon kind if he left him. That's what pisses me off between the two is how he couldn't understand what he mean't. Yes, he doesn't speak demonic lingo but that is such a simple ass message.

:facepalm Yes, it's understandable that he left because Griffith said that there were requirements to be his friend but c'mon the two were inseparable that's enough to say that that is a friendship. There's a difference between saying and doing things. That is essence of a relationship. I mean are you seriously going to call a friendship off because your friend says that you aren't his friend even though you guys hang out 24/7? :oh

[MaskedMenace]

Dude he slaughter Chuder's best commander all by himself how is that being in his shadow and pretty much brought an end to the war on his own.


That was for sake of Griffith's dream.

Also Griffith's tactics is what ended the war to capture the castle, not the fact that he killed the commander.

Guts's wanted something on his own, not tag along with Griffith.

And then he later figures out his home was with the hawks.

Yes and he realized he made a mistake but that is human.

How the fuck does Griffith not consider him a friend when he's crying about him leaving after sleeping with the princess.

Guts only wanted for Griffith to see him as an equal. All he was doing was following Griffith own words.

Yes, he defeated him and hurt his pride but also his heart. He never took the chance to fully understand Griffith. Caska said it pretty well when attacking Guts "although he talks tough Griffith is all alone" and having Guts by his side made him confident.

Like I said it was misunderstanding on Guts's part. He thought that Griffith would handle his leave and only see it as a pebble on road.

That's why I'm saying he didn't need to leave him until he got a better idea of Griffith.

He need to but I think it is understandable why he left.

-I guess that's why the king went batshit after he figured out he fucked Charlotte. :zaru

Or that he was the one wanted to pop her cherry.

- So Guts was nothing afterall? :oh Guts clearly said he didn't think he was a bad person after slaughtering the mercenaries who killed the queen and them. :zaru

What does this have to with anything?

Zodd's prophecy said he would be the key to his ascension to demon kind if he left him. That's what pisses me off between the two is how he couldn't understand what he mean't. Yes, he doesn't speak demonic lingo but that is such a simple ass message.

You mean Guts was suppose to predict that

-Griffith would go into depression, considering that Guts never seen griffth like that

-He would seep with the princess

-The king would find out and freak.

Also Guts did not take that message too seriously. Why should he it is just some random demon he met talking in cryptic. Not to mention it has years before Guts went away, he did not think of it until Wyald appeared.

:facepalm Yes, it's understandable that he left because Griffith said that there were requirements to be his friend but c'mon the two were inseparable that's enough to say that that is a friendship. There's a difference between saying and doing things. That is essence of a relationship. I mean are you seriously going to call a friendship off because your friend says that you aren't his friend even though you guys hang out 24/7? :oh

Call off a friendship? Guts just wanted out of the band of hawk after the war was over.Did the other band hawk members think that Guts stopped being friendly with them?

Griffith took it so hard because not only was it close friend went away, it was also the first time he lost.

[Blaze of Glory]

Alright I semi-concede to what you said MM but these points are bothering me somewhat

That was for sake of Griffith's dream.

Also Griffith's tactics is what ended the war to capture the castle, not the fact that he killed the commander.

Wasn't the commander Boscone total a rampaging bad-ass? I mean isn't he responsible for double-fucking Midland?



Guts's wanted something on his own, not tag along with Griffith.


And isn't this that by some definition a breaking of friendship/relationship? I know Guts is human but the fact that he couldn't deal with sharing someone else's dream. I mean come now Griffith's dream was conquest had his interest in it too. Not like he'd be some watered down bitch like the king of Midland's brother Julius.

[Zorokiller]

I can understand Gutts more, after all he had done for Griffith, Griffith was still a ass by saying to the princess that he didn´t consider Gutts equal to him.

But I don´t remember the exact thing he said, but Griffith was being a ass

[Kusuriuri]

I can understand Gutts more, after all he had done for Griffith, Griffith was still a ass by saying to the princess that he didn´t consider Gutts equal to him.

But I don´t remember the exact thing he said, but Griffith was being a ass

Griffith was saying something along the lines of not being able to consider anyone that wasn't his equal as his friend.

[Zorokiller]

the speech started here

http://manga.animea.net/berserk-chapter-6-page-129.html#i

and that´s were Gutts started to think of his own dream and thinking of leaving, as depicted on this page
http://manga.animea.net/berserk-chapter-6-page-131.html#i

you see how the distance was at that time between Gutts and Griffith, and that was a blow for Gutts, just after he had done the dirty job for Griffith killing that noble and all of that.
He was just another resourceful pawn, it was after Gutts but Griffith in his place by beating him Griffith knew where Gutts was only to late, and that frustrated him even more I guess.

[yo586]

Pretty good discussion. To me it all comes down to this:

Guts joined the Hawks by force, and Griffith made him his (ownership). They grew into good friends. Yet Griffith could not see past his supposed ownership of Guts.

No matter how you slice it, no friendship is healthy if one guy considers himself owning the other. Frankly, Griffith never once took Guts opinion/desires to match his own. That is NOT a good friend.

Guts left this unhealthy relationship peacefully and Griffith freaked. Its a shame that Guts had to leave his home and family because his best friend had empowerment issues. If Griffith could have accepted Guts as his equal, then this would not have happened.

And we wouldn't have this damned awesome manga either.

[Blaze of Glory]

:hurr

Thank you Yo586

my mind is at peace

[Red Viking]

Pretty good discussion. To me it all comes down to this:

Guts joined the Hawks by force, and Griffith made him his (ownership). They grew into good friends. Yet Griffith could not see past his supposed ownership of Guts.

No matter how you slice it, no friendship is healthy if one guy considers himself owning the other. Frankly, Griffith never once took Guts opinion/desires to match his own. That is NOT a good friend.

Guts left this unhealthy relationship peacefully and Griffith freaked. Its a shame that Guts had to leave his home and family because his best friend had empowerment issues. If Griffith could have accepted Guts as his equal, then this would not have happened.

And we wouldn't have this damned awesome manga either.

That is very good insight. +rep

[yo586]

Ha, thanks guys. I have thought about this manga way too much. Great story, complex character relations, I love good Berserk debates.

[Deathbringerpt]

Guts left this unhealthy relationship peacefully and Griffith freaked. Its a shame that Guts had to leave his home and family because his best friend had empowerment issues. If Griffith could have accepted Guts as his equal, then this would not have happened.


Guts left this unhealthy relationship peacefully and Griffith freaked. Its a shame that Guts had to leave his home and family because his best friend had empowerment issues. If Griffith could have accepted Guts as his equal, then this would not have happened.


The ironic thing is that Guts left the Hawks so that he would become someone that Griffith could consider a friend, someone that lives for his own dream. But because of Griffith´s superiority complex, his defeat and loss of Guts, his "property", gave him a mental breakdown and he had compensate his desire for control by porking Charlotte and ensure the accomplishment of his dream, which ended up doing the exact opposite and completely destroyed it.

[MaskedMenace]

Pretty good discussion. To me it all comes down to this:

Guts joined the Hawks by force, and Griffith made him his (ownership). They grew into good friends. Yet Griffith could not see past his supposed ownership of Guts.

No matter how you slice it, no friendship is healthy if one guy considers himself owning the other. Frankly, Griffith never once took Guts opinion/desires to match his own. That is NOT a good friend.

Guts left this unhealthy relationship peacefully and Griffith freaked. Its a shame that Guts had to leave his home and family because his best friend had empowerment issues. If Griffith could have accepted Guts as his equal, then this would not have happened.

And we wouldn't have this damned awesome manga either.

Great explanation I agree with everything you said.

[Dr.Douchebag]

Pretty good discussion. To me it all comes down to this:

Guts joined the Hawks by force, and Griffith made him his (ownership). They grew into good friends. Yet Griffith could not see past his supposed ownership of Guts.

No matter how you slice it, no friendship is healthy if one guy considers himself owning the other. Frankly, Griffith never once took Guts opinion/desires to match his own. That is NOT a good friend.

Guts left this unhealthy relationship peacefully and Griffith freaked. Its a shame that Guts had to leave his home and family because his best friend had empowerment issues. If Griffith could have accepted Guts as his equal, then this would not have happened.

And we wouldn't have this damned awesome manga either.

Absolutely spot on :hurr.

[Berserkhawk z]

Wonder what the age of darkness will look like?

Also i hope Femto turns back into Griffith.

[TalikX]

I finished Shin Angyo Onshi recently and immediately I made the connection between that manga (or manhwa if you want to call it) and Berserk. Which led me to think that the ending of Shin Angyo Onshi might be similar to the ending of Berserk when it happens?

[Muk]

Wonder what the age of darkness will look like?

Also i hope Femto turns back into Griffith.

maybe a world were monsters are not ignored any more by humans.

currently humans are ignorant to the presence of monsters, at least mostly and just say it is superstition if some see a troll or monster

now however i believe griffith will rip that ignorance away from all humans and plunge them into a world where monsters are all over the place

whether it is for the better or the worst

[Berserkhawk z]

I finished Shin Angyo Onshi recently and immediately I made the connection between that manga (or manhwa if you want to call it) and Berserk. Which led me to think that the ending of Shin Angyo Onshi might be similar to the ending of Berserk when it happens?
Just started reading Shin Angyo Onshi myself, Munsu's badass:nod
maybe a world were monsters are not ignored any more by humans.

currently humans are ignorant to the presence of monsters, at least mostly and just say it is superstition if some see a troll or monster

now however i believe griffith will rip that ignorance away from all humans and plunge them into a world where monsters are all over the place

whether it is for the better or the worst

Also possible the only thing i'm concerned about since the last chapter is how all the humans at ground zero took on an astral form like Shierke's, although it's possible that this is merely to show humans becoming more connected to the astral realm.

[Deathbringerpt]

It´s not confirmed that this is the Age of Darkness, only that Griffith is pouring the contents of the Astral plane that Ganishka absorved into Earth.

[Muk]

which should be enough to make those that were ignorant

no longer ignorant.

i mean the massive amount of monsters in griffith army should be enough to make you aware of monsters, now however he just is overloading human's with astral power

[Berserkhawk z]

Only seven more days people :)

[CyberSwarmKing]

Time goes slow :kickcan

[yo586]

Do you guys think we'll see the other godhand come to the human world now? cause that'd be awesome.

[CyberSwarmKing]

They most probably will show up I think.

[Berserkhawk z]

I hope the other Godhand do show up, especially Ubik and Conrad since they haven't done anything yet.

[Ice Cream]

I hope the other Godhand do show up, especially Ubik and Conrad since they haven't done anything yet.

Well, conrad was shown in the plague chapter consisting of rats and
I think ubik had a hand in griffith's vision.

With skullknight and void's past interaction, I figured that the new sword was meant for void's dimension ability. But after seeing femto manipulating the attack...I wonder how skullknight plans to deal with godhand after the upcoming events. =/

[Berserkhawk z]

Well, conrad was shown in the plague chapter consisting of rats and
I think ubik had a hand in griffith's vision.
The rat scene was all we saw of Conrad after the eclipse though, and there's no proof that Ubik helped with Griffith's vision. Still would be nice to see these two underdeveloped Godhand do something.

With skullknight and void's past interaction, I figured that the new sword was meant for void's dimension ability. But after seeing femto manipulating the attack...I wonder how skullknight plans to deal with godhand after the upcoming events. =/

If SK survives that is :(

[Hellrasinbrasin]

Skull Knight can't die he can't die not without killing Zodd in the process

[Berserkhawk z]

Skull Knight can't die he can't die not without killing Zodd in the process

Maybe he will :LOS

[Vault]

Its true Zodd is gonna get fucked this time around :hurr

[soniclinx]

i think tht wats going on with griffith right now is gonna change a big portion of ppl perspective

[MaskedMenace]

If SK survives that is :(

Why should he be in danger? Femto nor do the rest of the god hands seem to see SK as a threat judging they do nothing about him.

Plus SK after this failed attempt is gong to retreat. There is no reason for him to stick around.

[Berserkhawk z]

Why should he be in danger? Femto nor do the rest of the god hands seem to see SK as a threat judging they do nothing about him.

Plus SK after this failed attempt is gong to retreat. There is no reason for him to stick around.

True but he's still at ground zero of this dimensional opening, anything could happen.

[Random Member]

I just managed to catch up. I remember someone in one of the most recent pages of the thread mentioned that the recent chapters were more full of pretty pictures with hardly any talking and I could see they weren't lying. I don't mind though. The art for the Millenium Falcon Arc has been superb and those transformed monsters in the Band of the Hawk have some pretty cool designs.

[Mongoloid Gnome]

Many people don't think about the pacing, I guess. It took years to Miura develop the whole plot and complete arcs, people like myself that devoured over 30 volumes of Berserk are now so deeply envolved with the awesomeness that they can't handle irregular releases anymore.

I want to sleep 10 years and wake up with a pile of Berserk volumes by my side.

[Penance]

I'm only on the Retribution arc right now, and I feel like I got through the worst (that is to say, the darkest or most disturbing) of the story-the Golden Age arc. The end of that part of the story got to me in an unexpected way (during the birth of Femto)...

[Blaze of Glory]

Hopefully, SK survives :cry :cry :cry

Oh what am I saying of course he will :LOS

...... :wtf

Plz

Notice how we don't see him escaping after Femto slices Ganishaka with the slash from the sword of resonance.

[TehVenom]

I bought the first volume recently and liked it.
It's kinda expencive though, so I probably won't be collecting them :s

[Muk]

Hopefully, SK survives :cry :cry :cry

Oh what am I saying of course he will :LOS

...... :wtf

Plz

Notice how we don't see him escaping after Femto slices Ganishaka with the slash from the sword of resonance.

we don't see zodd escaping either :argh :LOS

and zodd still needs to fight gutts for the final showdown :gar

what am i saying, they both survived :LOS

[TehVenom]

I'm thinking about maybe starting to collect Berserk, but I'm doubting cause it's expensive and I don't know how good it is, so because of those reasons maybe I'd better buy Naruto (from volume 28 onwards) So can anyone convince me about buying Berserk, by giving me reasons 'n stuff? Would be great! Why is this manga so great tell me!

[Vault]

I will convince you by saying this

Berserk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Naruto

[Segan]

I'm thinking about maybe starting to collect Berserk, but I'm doubting cause it's expensive and I don't know how good it is, so because of those reasons maybe I'd better buy Naruto (from volume 28 onwards) So can anyone convince me about buying Berserk, by giving me reasons 'n stuff? Would be great! Why is this manga so great tell me!Naruto ain't worth the money at all...

Both Berserk and Naruto can be read online or downloaded, whatever. If you're going to collect a series, why would it be Naruto, and why would you start at vol 28? Oh wait, because it's familiar, and because you don't read like a few dozen top-quality mangas, am I right?

Well, my answer is, save your money instead of spending it on Naruto, if you intended on doing so, it simply isn't worth a damn. Get to read Berserk online and see for yourself how good it is.

Berserk was so far the only manga I absolutely knew I would collect up to this day.

[Deathbringerpt]

Berserk was so far the only manga I absolutely knew I would collect up to this day.

Quote for truth.

Although there´s also a shit load of series that downright deserve to be bought.

[Demon_Soichiro]

naruto for example? :zaru :ryoma

[MaskedMenace]

So can anyone convince me about buying Berserk, by giving me reasons 'n stuff? Would be great! Why is this manga so great tell me!

Incredible art

I am not joking, the art in berserk is one of the best I have seen in a manga. Even in recent chapters, it is nothing short of amazing.

Interesting and well developed characters

The protagonist Guts is IMO one of the best protagonist I have read in manga. His character is well developed since we see bit by bit how his past have made him them who he is now and even so we see his character develop in the present.

Also the side characters are unique and interesting in their own way.

The action and gore

The action in this manga is well drawn and very bloody. So if you have no problem with gore, you will enjoy the action.

Plot

The plot is consistent and will keep you interested on what will happen next.


Although there´s also a shit load of series that downright deserve to be bought.

Such as? (I am not being an ass but I need a new manga to read )

[TehVenom]

Thx everyone
VERY convincing^^

And ye, it was actually because of the gore that I got to know BERSERK, I think I'll love it.

[Sasuke]

Hmmmm

Some 305 pics;
http://img2.pict.com/57/de/a3/cf27dd18ad7c7a926cb3c05bef/zQFQp/672370.jpg
http://img2.pict.com/f3/d7/7d/3c59adf272dcc165acee0bab87/1yXYa/672610.jpg
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http://img2.pict.com/9e/f2/e0/4833497a59eab85088b6f0095a/bDpGR/673580.jpg
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306 will be in Young Animal #13 on sale 06/26

[Muk]

holy cow it went/si visible as far as the ship? :argh :gar

damn did griffith just lighten up the whole of midland?

[Vault]

It wasn't griffith :hurr blame SK

[CyberSwarmKing]

This looks bad :hmm

[Vault]

Its very bad

[Berserkhawk z]

Well at least Guts knows that something bigs happening back in Midland now.

[Blaze of Glory]

Midland is FUCKED :argh

SK you did bad :C

VERY VERY VERY BAD :C

[Muk]

you guys and your fucked up logic, it is still Griffith doing that something ultra bad happened to midland.

All according to his master plan :LOS

damn not only is he a god hand but a master tactician :LOS

[Die KWGOD Die]

any more pics?
i need more, MORE!

[Berserkhawk z]

http://img2.pict.com/f1/a7/b4/2f8de39dd95740704bd8c7d3cb/oaRC0/673220.jpg[/SPOILER]

Wow the flash has covered half the earth and can be seen from the moon.

[Segan]

Wow, epic indeed. And it seems that Guts' party is finally reaching Elfhelm.

[Flagg1982]

MORE PICS


http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8131/46771831.jpg

[Berserkhawk z]

MORE PICS


http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8131/46771831.jpg

It's finally happened the realms have all totally fused and now mythical creatures are running free.

Unicorns :amazed

[αshɘs]

Interesting pics:quite

Poor unicorns are getting eaten:(..............:LOS

[Berserkhawk z]

Poor unicorns are getting eaten:(..............:LOS

By a Multi-headed hydra no less :edu

And did i also see Harpies in the background :amazed

I think Miura's been watching too much of Jason and the argonauts :LOS

[Segan]

Holy shit...

[CyberSwarmKing]

WTF :wha

[Random Member]

Wow. It's even visible from the Moon...

[Red Viking]

Well, crap. That can't be good.

[Vault]

This now a catastrophe

[Blaze of Glory]

LOL

Now there's Unicorns :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Fireball]

the fuck!? unicorns? :blink

[Lυ Bυ]

can't wait for the chapter. I like Berserk more when there is dialogue though :sag

no wonder Miura was gone pretty long, almost every chapter is full of 2 page spreads with amazing art

[MisterJB]

Well...Femto just raped the whole Midland

[Hapayahapaya]

Griffith: 1
Midland: 0

GG.

Friggin wow.

[Muk]

holy shit unicorns :gar

i can't wait for chapter now and translation, miura wet my appetite

[YukiKaze]

Shit is truly going down in the Berserk-World.

You need help Guts. You really need help for this

Seriously, Miura is trolling Guts :lolkubo

[Charcan]

Awesome.

The story will soon shift back to Gutts' side I hope.

[Hellrasinbrasin]

Mean while in the Astral Plane God Hand is Grading Femto's Win

[Ubik] ... It is an elegant strategy by using Ganishka and Skull Knight all the hidden kingdoms are now laid bare for all to see.

[Conrad] ...

[Void] ... This new world will be ours to govern and the irony is that the only being that posed a threat has been removed from game because he didn't see
that he was needed to complete the bleeding of the Astral Plane into the Physical realm


[Slan] ....

[αshɘs]

Chapter (http://manga.animea.net/berserk-chapter-305-page-1.html)'s out folks:awesome

Talk about no talking!:laugh

[Blaze of Glory]

That's it! :wth

I wanted more :yell :yell

[Nightfall]

^Who is that dark demon/fallen angel whatever in your sig?

A bit weak for only one chapter.... No dialogue...:pek
Well artwork is as brilliant as always...

So the light released those monsters right...?

[TSC]

read chapter (or rather view chapter lol) I think he over-laying Qliphoth to real world hence the unicorns and hydra and harpies coming in.

^Who is that dark demon/fallen angel whatever in your sig?It's devil Jin from Tekken series

[Fireball]

well, that was short :(

[Red Viking]

See everyone in six months for the next chapter! :zaru

[Sasuke]

^ Next chapter is 06/26, lol.

[Berserkhawk z]

Well at least the artwork was awesome lol.

The Hydras and Harpies are welcome in Berserk but Unicorns :wth

[Lυ Bυ]

Well at least the artwork was awesome lol.

The Hydras and Harpies are welcome in Berserk but Unicorns :wth

bot thy be'd only da fuud

[Higawa]

Well at least the artwork was awesome lol.

The Hydras and Harpies are welcome in Berserk but Unicorns :wth

they got owned :zaru

Cant wait for our ship crew to kick some demonic ass :wtf

the main goal is still reach the elf land right?

[Red Viking]

^ Next chapter is 06/26, lol.

Dammit, so much for a running gag statement.

[Pintsize]

Only two lines of narration this chapter.

Ugh, where is the quality that was the golden age and albion arcs.

Fucking Miura. :mad

[Spike_Shrike]

^Did you expect hydra to talk or something?

Also, my feelings on the chapter are kinda mixed. Can't say anything until I see the next few chapters, but it's either going to be uber awesome, or ultra bad. I know this is Miura, and I am 99% sure it will be the 1st option, bu still.
Humans are kinda useless now. I don't like that.

[TSC]

the main goal is still reach the elf land right?

And then we find out there are elves like Legolas are over at that island :zaru

We also need some cyclops

[Pintsize]

Did you expect hydra to talk or something?

No, I expected character interaction. Even Naruto has that much.

Great artwork does not a good manga make.

[furious styles]

what in fucks name was that

[Hellrasinbrasin]

You mean thishttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXND-ycMQyQ

[~L~]

miura sure spent a lot of effort in reaction panels to the light xD it's incredibly frustrating even if the art is good. i wish i could marathon berserk like i used to cause i'd be more appreciative of this sort of chapters :arg

[Spike_Shrike]

No, I expected character interaction. Even Naruto has that much.

Great artwork does not a good manga make.

In this kind of situation everybody's dialogue would mostly consist of WHAT THE FUCK. So logically, we won't get talk when the whole world is being shown on panels.

I'd rather see panels like Gatsu and the crew aboard that ship, looking astounded, then reading "I wanna be Hokage." "Ok Danzo, you are Hokage." in Naruto.

[Munken]

wow...that was..short :scry

[Pintsize]

In this kind of situation everybody's dialogue would mostly consist of WHAT THE FUCK. So logically, we won't get talk when the whole world is being shown on panels.

Logically, he didn't need to waste an entire chapter on this. I mean, this is what, the third out of five chapters that have come out in the last six month to have two lines of narration/dialogue or less?

Miura's being lazy.

[Tommygun]

Hi, I've just watched the anime (or I have a few episodes left) but I was wondering.. should I start at chapter 1 of the manga? or is there a better place to start so I don't have to repeat all the stuff I already know from the anime?

[MaskedMenace]

Wow. So the age of darkness is soon starting. The Berserk world became a fantasy world with unicorns and harpies. I looking forward to seeing more.

I am wondering if we will see the elemental kings in physical form.


The Hydras and Harpies are welcome in Berserk but Unicorns :wth

Hey the monsters need something other then humans to eat. Eating the same food is not heathy. :LOS

I like the appearance of the Unicorns since even through the astral realm has monsters, it has nice creatures as well.


Miura's being lazy.

If he were lazy he wouldn't put this much effort into drawing everything.

Character interaction will come but right now he wants to show what a huge impact this event had on the world.You do not need words to describe what is happening right now.

Character interaction will come soon enough.

[Nightfall]

Hi, I've just watched the anime (or I have a few episodes left) but I was wondering.. should I start at chapter 1 of the manga? or is there a better place to start so I don't have to repeat all the stuff I already know from the anime?

From what I hear the anime cuts away a lot of the manga...including some vital characters. Just start at chapter 1, or the rest of the manga might not make sense<_<

og er du norsk? thumbs up:P

[Vault]

It was a chapter of reaction shots :LOS

[James]

Hi, I've just watched the anime (or I have a few episodes left) but I was wondering.. should I start at chapter 1 of the manga? or is there a better place to start so I don't have to repeat all the stuff I already know from the anime?


Remember how the first anime episode was set in the future with Gutts with an arm cannon and big sword fighting demons and shit? Well in the manga there's a lot more of that stuff before the long flashback to the past occurs.

Not only that, there are several omissions of manga characters and events throughout the anime too. For a start, a LOT more happens between breaking Griffith out of prison at the end and the eclipse occuring.

So yeah start at chapter 1 though realise that the art style improves significantly as the manga goes on.

[Berserkhawk z]

Honestly i thought the new chapter rocked :nod

Something tells me that with all these mythical creatures coming into being Gutts Dragonslayer's gonna live up to it's name, if you know what i mean :amuse

Gutts slaying a real Dragon would be totally badass :zaru

[Alucard]

so...i finally read all chapters of Berserk and i love it....what sucks is that this manga is 20 years old and the number off chapters is practically the same as bleach and naruto! now i am starting to feel that this is gonna take forever to wait for one chapter to the next!

[Deathbringerpt]

*Berserk continues on June 26th*

Phew....


Holy crap, one of my theories of the Astral creatures coming to the Physical world turned out to be right, what will this mean in Griffith ling plan exactly i don´t know but it will definitely help his Dream of becoming King one way or the other. It´s good publicity when magical creatures come popping left and right when you just defeated the evil emperor that turned the Kingdom into shit.

This sin´t the Age of Darkness per se but it could very well become a prelude to it, there´s more interdimensional planes in Berserk. And the Astral plane isn´t inherently evil, just magical in nature.

Also, the global panels? Pretty epic. First time we see those kind of drawings in Berserk.

[Kimi Sama]

I'm as much a fan of unicorns being eaten by hyrdas as the next man, but jaysis was that a disappointing chapter.

Five double page spreads of either the light (eg, a mostly empty page) or people going :argh at it.

I'm glad it's back to a mostly regular schedule now at least. Real wars have beenfinished in less time than it's taken to get finally get rid of Ganeshka.

[Flagg1982]

Shierke will become 10 times more powerful now that the astral realm has merged with the real world.

[Goodfellow]

I'm as much a fan of unicorns being eaten by hyrdas as the next man, but jaysis was that a disappointing chapter.

Five double page spreads of either the light (eg, a mostly empty page) or people going :argh at it.

I'm glad it's back to a mostly regular schedule now at least. Real wars have beenfinished in less time than it's taken to get finally get rid of Ganeshka.

Yeah:lmao

Anyway, hope we get some focus on Gutts and Co. now. How long has it been since we last saw a speech bubble originated from Gutts? Six months? More:lmao?

[Kimi Sama]

Yeah:lmao

Anyway, hope we get some focus on Gutts and Co. now. How long has it been since we last saw a speech bubble originated from Gutts? Six months? More:lmao?

Which one was Gutts again?

[Berserkhawk z]

Gutts will have more pages soon :zaru

Still at least that's Ganishaka dealt with :nod

[Indignant Guile]

Hey didnt you guys notice that once you get out of the th wheel of fate you kind of get a power boost...like how Guts is considered inhuman?

[Lightysnake]

I'm curious...what are the chances of Berserk having an ending?

[Nightfall]

None... the author will croak before finishing his work, leaving you and everyone else to rage and despair... at the age of 33....:LOS

[Sasori]

I'm curious...what are the chances of Berserk having an ending?0 .

[Deathbringerpt]

The end of the last chapter and this one felt like a change of status quo. We've seen transitions like this before in Berserk and it´s not hard to miss, the most obvious one being the Eclipse. I´m pretty sure that we'll be exploring the New Astral/Real World for quite a fair while.

I don't think Miura has any plans of rushing Berserk, with this chapter it´s obvious that he wants to just spill tons of new exposition since Mindland literally became a brand new world.

So yeah, lots of Berserk still to come.

Oh, and this isn´t the first time we´ve seen Unicorns in Berserk: http://www.mangafox.com/manga/berserk/v24/c005/15.html

[Lightysnake]

Wouldn't be so bad if he had anything resembling work ethic.

[Hellrasinbrasin]

Miura's got his work schedule ethic down pack it = You get it when its done!

[Mat®icha]

Oh, and this isn´t the first time we´ve seen Unicorns in Berserk: http://www.mangafox.com/manga/berserk/v24/c005/15.html

damn it, why would u provide a link. i spent almost 3 hours reading whole troll arc (eauiful hours). everytime i see link, i tend to go over my head.

negssszzz.

[Vault]

You read a whole arc :rotfl

Thats determination but i doubt we have seen unicorns before :argh

[Deathbringerpt]

damn it, why would u provide a link. i spent almost 3 hours reading whole troll arc (eauiful hours). everytime i see link, i tend to go over my head.

negssszzz.

Now i feel like i did good for the world. :nod

Thats determination but i doubt we have seen unicorns before

Scroll 4 posts up, check the link.

[yo586]

I enjoyed the chapter. Miura seems to be setting the scene by inducing a beautiful and majestical silence. If I was reading this manga in one gulp, this chapter of no talking would seem vital and well done, and I believe Miura has the finished product in mind more than most authors when he does his chapters. I'm glad he pays no heed to inpatient fans who want instant gratification and he takes time to build his background story.

I give it no more than 10 chapters before we see some crazy things happening.

[Nightmare]

So I just caught up about 5 minutes ago

DIE GRIFFITH DIEEE :cussing

[Quelsatron]

I give it no more than 10 chapters before we see some crazy things happening.

So 2 years then?:LOS

[Mat®icha]

So I just caught up about 5 minutes ago

DIE GRIFFITH DIEEE :cussing

i bet no one could experience what i did after reading griffih's betreyal arc. u know it's all ficticious but still, miura really pushed the limits.

[Vault]

Miura ticked off alot of people :argh and i mean alot

[Berserkhawk z]

The Golden age was such an awesome arc, and the Eclipse was the perfect end smile-big

[MaskedMenace]

You what I found amazing about the golden age despite knowing it will end bad for Guts. I never expected it would be as bad as the Eclipse.

It was painful to see all the hawks be hunted and slaughtered like animals, as was Guts's expressions when he fell into the pool of blood. Also having to watch Caska being raped along with Guts futilely trying to stop to extent he chopped off his arm as well having to witness Guts's right eye's last sight.

Hell the Eclipse affected me emotionally then any work of fiction ever did.

So I just caught up about 5 minutes ago

DIE GRIFFITH DIEEE :cussing

It is kind of amazing.

Before the Eclipse Griffith was a guy that is quite admirable despite making others do his dirty work. Afterward everybody despises for what he has done.

[Blaze of Glory]

You what I found amazing about the golden age despite knowing it will end bad for Guts. I never expected it would be as bad as the Eclipse.

It was painful to see all the hawks be hunted and slaughtered like animals, as was Guts's expressions when he fell into the pool of blood. Also having to watch Caska being raped along with Guts futilely trying to stop to extent he chopped off his arm as well having to witness Guts's right eye's last sight.

Hell the Eclipse affected me emotionally then any work of fiction ever did.


The Golden age arc was beautiful :cry

I've never felt more upset and depressed by such a betrayal in an anime/manga/video game/movie before. Even though it was obvious Griffith was a total idiot by sleeping with the princess I couldn't help but feel sorry for him. I almost cried by seeing how playful he and Gut's were after fighting Wyald. Even before that I liked how Gut's was always bringing up the mood by doing things such as slapping Caska's behind and patting Griffith on the back. I feel like crying right now that was TRULY a golden age. Gut's and Griffith friendship really touched me. It's like nothing I've ever seen before.



Next to Neon Genesis Evangelion Third Impact The Eclipse is probably the most horrific apocalyptic event EVER.

[Muk]

You what I found amazing about the golden age despite knowing it will end bad for Guts. I never expected it would be as bad as the Eclipse.

It was painful to see all the hawks be hunted and slaughtered like animals, as was Guts's expressions when he fell into the pool of blood. Also having to watch Caska being raped along with Guts futilely trying to stop to extent he chopped off his arm as well having to witness Guts's right eye's last sight.

Hell the Eclipse affected me emotionally then any work of fiction ever did.



It is kind of amazing.

Before the Eclipse Griffith was a guy that is quite admirable despite making others do his dirty work. Afterward everybody despises for what he has done.

Even though Griffith has been this 'cold' and calculating from the very beginning.

I think it never occurred to the reader and the 'hawks' that griffith would turn on his own men for achieving his goal.

until the eclipse he may have been cold and calculating but he had never 'betrayed' the hawks and their trusts in him.

also the reader has been siding with the hawks for so long during the gold age arc, i think it is rather shocking to suddenly find them betrayed and mutilated as they were.

miura did really a great job of it i suppose :gar

[Nightfall]

It's probably one of the best pieces of writing within manga ever I think. I don't think that's an overstatement either... Golden indeed...:LOS

[MisterJB]

I think it never occurred to the reader and the 'hawks' that griffith would turn on his own men for achieving his goal.



Actually, even tough the Eclipse is one of my favorite stuff from Berserk, it was rather obvious that Griffith was going to betray the Hawks.
We knew that he was going to offer Gutts as a sacrifice since we first saw Femto.

[Deathbringerpt]

We knew that he was going to offer Gutts as a sacrifice since we first saw Femto.

When i downloaded Berserk for the first time, i thought that the Golden Age was the actual beginning of the story and read to the Eclupse without any knowledge about Femto being Griffith.

Which made the experience much more powerful for me.

[Kusuriuri]

When i downloaded Berserk for the first time, i thought that the Golden Age was the actual beginning of the story and read to the Eclupse without any knowledge about Femto being Griffith.

Which made the experience much more powerful for me.

I almost envy you. That must have been a rollercoaster for you.

[MaskedMenace]

Even though Griffith has been this 'cold' and calculating from the very beginning.

I think it never occurred to the reader and the 'hawks' that griffith would turn on his own men for achieving his goal.


No it wouldn't but it was clear that Griffith would betray Guts and have him branded.

Though I doubt anyone thought it would that bad.

The Golden age arc was beautiful :cry

I've never felt more upset and depressed by such a betrayal in an anime/manga/video game/movie before. Even though it was obvious Griffith was a total idiot by sleeping with the princess I couldn't help but feel sorry for him. I almost cried by seeing how playful he and Gut's were after fighting Wyald. Even before that I liked how Gut's was always bringing up the mood by doing things such as slapping Caska's behind and patting Griffith on the back. I feel like crying right now that was TRULY a golden age. Gut's and Griffith friendship really touched me. It's like nothing I've ever seen before.


Indeed Gut's and Griffith friendship had so much.

Also many chapters in the golden age wrenched my heart.Like when Guts killed his "father" under such horrible circumstances and wandering aimlessly around. Or when Guts killed the noble kid and thought himslef as a monster.

[αshɘs]

The Golden Age arc was something I just couldn't put down.One of the best experiences I had with fiction ever.

When i downloaded Berserk for the first time, i thought that the Golden Age was the actual beginning of the story and read to the Eclupse without any knowledge about Femto being Griffith.

Which made the experience much more powerful for me.

Uhh, that must have been awesome,but weren't the chapters numbered when you downloaded them?

[Nightfall]

I remember I had some problems finding the first arc on the web for download, I ended up reading it online.. But the quality wasn't that good....

[Sigbin-Puti]

i just read 305 so does this mean the astral world and the real world are merging.
unicorns, hydra, harpies :nuts:nuts:nuts

[Emperor Joker]

i just read 305 so does this mean the astral world and the real world are merging.
unicorns, hydra, harpies :nuts:nuts:nuts

Oh my:P

But that would be fun, it would mean that Gutts and crew would be fighting something other than Redshirts and Apostles.

[Wuzzman]

Wow, this is the worst time for Gutts and crew to be traveling via sea. Hope their really close to fairy island...

[Starstalker]

Without a doubt the best manga ever.
-Great character development
-Manly action
-Cool bad guys xD
-Amazing story

One question, how often does it come out?

[Lυ Bυ]

Without a doubt the best manga ever.
-Great character development
-Manly action
-Cool bad guys xD
-Amazing story

One question, how often does it come out?

That's just your opinion, but it is a very good manga.

To answer your question it comes out every 2 weeks.

[Kusuriuri]

Without a doubt the best manga ever.
-Great character development
-Manly action
-Cool bad guys xD
-Amazing story

One question, how often does it come out?

It doesn't really have a solid release schedule. Sometimes chapters can come out monthly, bi-weekly or sometimes it isn't out for months.

[Blaze of Glory]

Btw is it just me or was Guts incredibly simple minded during the Golden Age Arc? :( It makes me sad that he's been by Griffith's side for so long and doesn't yet understand the definition of their relationship. It pains me that all he's ever done is fight with his sword and barely have a social life or social customs until he came back after the time skip and before it.

[Segan]

Btw is it just me or was Guts incredibly simple minded during the Golden Age Arc? :( It makes me sad that he's been by Griffith's side for so long and doesn't yet understand the definition of their relationship. It pains me that all he's ever done is fight with his sword and barely have a social life or social customs until he came back after the time skip and before it.All that stuff he already admitted to himself.

[AMD]

Wow, this is the worst time for Gutts and crew to be traveling via sea. Hope their really close to fairy island...

Heh true. They may end up fighting some giant Octopus. :P

[Starstalker]

Btw is it just me or was Guts incredibly simple minded during the Golden Age Arc? :( It makes me sad that he's been by Griffith's side for so long and doesn't yet understand the definition of their relationship. It pains me that all he's ever done is fight with his sword and barely have a social life or social customs until he came back after the time skip and before it.

No, Guts is just very confused in Golden Age Arc, mostly because of what Gambino told him(about being a bad omen).
IMO, Golden Age is the best arc in Berserk.smile-big

EDIT: Just finished reading 295 on mangashare and there is no more :( Link to more chapters, please.

[Segan]

try mangahelpers

[Blaze of Glory]

Gambino saying Guts is a bad omen makes me wonder what his mother was and why she was hanged. :(

[Mat®icha]

That's just your opinion, but it is a very good manga.

To answer your question it comes out every 2 weeks.

i hope you're not comparing Berserk to ecchi mangas. it is indeed without a doubt best manga ever. it may not be ones most favorite, but if you look into details, berserk really outranks all the mangas in most aspects.

[Starstalker]

Gambino saying Guts is a bad omen makes me wonder what his mother was and why she was hanged. :(

Although many demons tease Guts for being a human(human limit and stuff) I kindda doubt that he is human after all.
Maybe a minor demon or a half-demon or something, due to the fact that he's got high endurance and can summon massive strentgh in situations where normal people would die for sure.

[αshɘs]

EDIT: Just finished reading 295 on mangashare and there is no more :( Link to more chapters, please.

I read it here (http://manga.animea.net/berserk.html).

[Blaze of Glory]

^

Lol that'd be weird

Guts being half human half demon :sweatdrop

[CyberSwarmKing]

Imagine if it turns out that Zodd was his daddy :rotfl

[Berserkhawk z]

Imagine if it turns out that Zodd was his daddy :rotfl

Lol i had a pal with a similar theory which i'm sure he made just to piss me off. Although in my pals version it was SK who was his dad and that's why Gutts existed outside of causality :amazed

Personally though i don't see it happening and it would take away from the awesomness of Gutts in my opinion, Berserk's story should always be man struggling against his fate.

[CyberSwarmKing]

I agree, Guts should remain a human :nod

[Segan]

If Miura ever planned of revealing Guts having an Apostle's blood, there should logically have been others like Guts. But as we know, Apostles rather eat or just kill humans than wait for them to get babies.

And what would've been the point of Guts showing his everyday training and battles if he was gonna be as strong as he is anyway?

[Dark Travis]

Wouldn't be so bad if he had anything resembling work ethic.
...Is that supposed to be some sort of joke?

[MaskedMenace]

Guts is human, that is the whole point of him. That he is a man who is opposing causality,demons and gods.

His strength is insane but that does not mean he is part demon. What about those assassins? They could rip through metal, are they part demon too?

Lol i had a pal with a similar theory which i'm sure he made just to piss me off. Although in my pals version it was SK who was his dad and that's why Gutts existed outside of causality :amazed


Kind of hard to knock up a woman when you are just bones :laugh

[mystictrunks]

Although many demons tease Guts for being a human(human limit and stuff) I kindda doubt that he is human after all.
Maybe a minor demon or a half-demon or something, due to the fact that he's got high endurance and can summon massive strentgh in situations where normal people would die for sure.

Nah, Gutts gets pretty torn up whenever he does stuff like that. His bodies pretty much just scars at this point.

[Sigbin-Puti]

Heh true. They may end up fighting some giant Octopus. :P

a kraken woot :nuts:nuts:nuts

but about gutts being mixed wouldn't it be conflicting to know that you are the very same thing you are trying to deny. wouldn't want gutts be emo and stuff if he would ever find out :notrust not like that would happen.

[Deathbringerpt]

Uhh, that must have been awesome,but weren't the chapters numbered when you downloaded them?

It really was, believe me.

I download the old Hawks group Berserk scanlation batch that started on the 3rd volume for some reason and just thought it was some kind of numbering error so i just went with it. I though that Berserk was a normal medieval manga with just a weird monster thrown into the mix.

My mind was completely blown away.


Wow, this is the worst time for Gutts and crew to be traveling via sea. Hope their really close to fairy island...

Holy shit, you´re right. Giant Kraken attack confirmed.

[Goodfellow]

Gambino saying Guts is a bad omen makes me wonder what his mother was and why she was hanged. :(

Meh, his mother was probably the Berserk-verse equivalent of a gypsy. Actually, I think the point about Gutts parentage is that he's supposed be related to nothing or something like that. He wasn't born somewhere special, he wasn't raised in anyway special (well, besides being a child soldier, but I doubt that was in anyway unusual when you think about it, considering how crap the Berserk-verse is. Just look at the original Band of Hawks for starters), he wasn't related to anyone special. The circumstances of his birth just works to hammer down the fact that he's this absolutely isolated creation, or something like that.

He was just this guy, this no one in particular, this guy living in greater men's shadow, that decided to go fuck the world out of sheer badassitude after it had tried to fuck him in the arse.

I'm absolutely wrong btw:zaru

[Kusuriuri]

The circumstances of Gutts' birth is a clue to whether or not he may have some magic involved in him.

[MaskedMenace]

Holy shit, you´re right. Giant Kraken attack confirmed.

I wonder if we see any sirens or mermaids on the way there.

The circumstances of Gutts' birth is a clue to whether or not he may have some magic involved in him.

How so?

[Segan]

The circumstances of Gutts' birth is a clue to whether or not he may have some magic involved in him.Like what?

[Nightfall]

Does the feral doglike creature inside of him, have a will of it's own now btw?
Since he doesn't remember anything from the chapter ''A howl from the darkness''

[Penance]

Does the feral doglike creature inside of him, have a will of it's own now btw?
Since he doesn't remember anything from the chapter ''A howl from the darkness''

I thought that it always did...

[Wuzzman]

I think its a combination of Gutts slowly having his own astral form even without being a magician because of his strong emotions. Because he lives at the border of reality what would otherwise be a whisper now has its own tangible presence in Gutts mind and I even suspect body (though in the sense that the dog has such a powerful od he can take control of gutts with enough motivation).

[Nightfall]

I think its a combination of Gutts slowly having his own astral form even without being a magician because of his strong emotions. Because he lives at the border of reality what would otherwise be a whisper now has its own tangible presence in Gutts mind and I even suspect body (though in the sense that the dog has such a powerful od he can take control of gutts with enough motivation).

Well put...I was just a bit confused about exactly what it was...

[Blaze of Glory]

It really was, believe me.





Holy shit, you´re right. Giant Kraken attack confirmed.

Arrr

Jack Sparro- I mean Gut's are you prepared to meet Davy Jones king of the seven seas http://www.piratesonlineforums.com/forums/images/smilies/pirates/pirate.smiley.captain.wink.gif

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/gallery/2006/06/20/davyjones3.jpg

[Segan]

I think its a combination of Gutts slowly having his own astral form even without being a magician because of his strong emotions. Because he lives at the border of reality what would otherwise be a whisper now has its own tangible presence in Gutts mind and I even suspect body (though in the sense that the dog has such a powerful od he can take control of gutts with enough motivation).That sounds actually plausible.

[Blaze of Glory]

Meh, his mother was probably the Berserk-verse equivalent of a gypsy.

I actually like the sound of that


I'm absolutely wrong btw:zaru

But If I'm correct, back then in those days Gypsy's were a race of people demonized everywhere they went and their status was nothing to brag about. I think that Guts might be a gypsy or psychic (same thing right?) since he has an amazing amount of strength.

[Nightfall]

I just don't see how he can remain human and still continue to use the Berserker armor without destroying his body, which is pretty much whats happened...

Not that I want him to be a half-breed apostle/demon whatever....

[Drizzt]

Hmm...

I pretty sure that Guts will need an upgrade - which will come in the form of magical powers - or atleast be able to imbue magical elements in dragonslayer - I think we saw that before with the battle will the magician.

Anyway, I wonder how the new world order will all affect Guts and Company, and I wonder if this new world order will allow Guts to obtain the path in defeating Griffith. Somehow, after reading this chapter - before I didn't have any clues on how Guts will be able to defeat Griffith - but this pandora box that has been opened, has given me a sense of hope.

I can intuitive see that there is a path that is been given by the author - a path that will allow Guts become in par with Griffith.. a superman? In Nietzsche terms "All beings so far have created something beyond themselves; and do you want to be the ebb of this great flood and even go back to the beasts rather than overcome man? What is the ape to man? A laughingstock or a painful embarrassment. And man shall be just that for the overman: a laughingstock or a painful embarrassment…"

[Blaze of Glory]

I just don't see how he can remain human and still continue to use the Berserker armor without destroying his body, which is pretty much whats happened...

Not that I want him to be a half-breed apostle/demon whatever....

Yeah that's some cheesy shit and this ain't Inuyasha :pek

[Segan]

I just don't see how he can remain human and still continue to use the Berserker armor without destroying his body, which is pretty much whats happened...

Not that I want him to be a half-breed apostle/demon whatever....
He's only walking because of Schierke's magic and the fairies' healing powder. Guts was a wreck after using the Berserker armor for the first time, remember?

[Berserkhawk z]

Five more days ladies and Gents :)

And Gutts is all human :mad

[Mat®icha]

enough of this stupid kid ideas, gutts is human, miura has his own plans for him, that's it.

[Blaze of Glory]

^ I never suggested that he isn't

However, what I'm insinuating is that he may be a special human in other words someone with psychic abilities from his mother who I'm guessing may have been a gypsy.

[hazashi]

Gutts cant be a gypsy!

[Blaze of Glory]

Gutts cant be a gypsy!

Gypsy's are people who bring bad fortune and.....I'm pretty sure we all know about Gut's luck with people. :zaru Before the beginning of World War II they were considered parasites, people trying to take away other hard working peoples jobs and just as bad as the jews. Shit they were considered less than human.

[Nightmare]

Guts is not fully human :smoke

He is obviously part elf

Look at the ears :edu

[Muk]

He's only walking because of Schierke's magic and the fairies' healing powder. Guts was a wreck after using the Berserker armor for the first time, remember?

Guts is human. As human as possible. Mirua spend a chapter or so on how he was born from a woman that was hanging from the tree.

So unless his mom got banged by something that isn't human, he's as human as it can get.

[Berserkhawk z]

Guts is not fully human :smoke

He is obviously part elf

Look at the ears :edu


In the Wikipedia entry for Gutts it says that there is much debate over Gutts humanity due to pronounced canines and pointy ears.

It's wrong, Miura's art style gets rid of this as it improves over time and many characters who are shown as human have the same outstanding features :zaru

Next thing you know people will say Serpico isn't all human since he always has his eyes closed :LOS

Maybe his mom was a secret apostle :amazed

[Blaze of Glory]

Btw you guys I think I know how Gut's and Caska's child managed to appear in his child form. You guys know how in Xenogears Fei has three other personalities; it's probably the same for Griffith. There's Femto, his demonic side and Gut's and Caska's child innocence.

[MisterJB]

Next thing you know people will say Serpico isn't all human since he always has his eyes closed :LOS


What's the deal with that, anyway?

[Berserkhawk z]

What's the deal with that, anyway?

TV tropes will explain better than me :zaru

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EyesAlwaysShut

[tom]

What's the deal with that, anyway?

I think he's half bat or half fox or something.

[Blaze of Glory]

Btw you guys out of all the hawks who died in the Eclipse who's death made you the saddest? For me it has to be Judeau. He's like with a major babe and he's trying to figure out his last words with only a few seconds away from death.

[Nightfall]

Btw you guys out of all the hawks who died in the Eclipse who's death made you the saddest? For me it has to be Judeau. He's like with a major babe and he's trying to figure out his last words with only a few seconds away from death.

His death I guess...And also Corkus....:oh

[Segan]

Corkus was an unlucky asshole. Can't say I miss him.

[MisterJB]

Btw you guys out of all the hawks who died in the Eclipse who's death made you the saddest? For me it has to be Judeau. He's like with a major babe and he's trying to figure out his last words with only a few seconds away from death.

Pippin, poor guy. He fought well.

[Fireball]

i am craving for the new chapter.

[Nightfall]

Just three more days, not that I know what to expect.. It could be a chapter filled with only artwork again...:awesome

As pretty as it is to watch...^^

@Segan: Corkus wasn't that bad:pek

[Higawa]

I finally want dragonslayer in action again!

[Jugger]

Just three more days, not that I know what to expect.. It could be a chapter filled with only artwork again...:awesome

As pretty as it is to watch...^^

@Segan: Corkus wasn't that bad:pek

i would be laughtinh my ass off really hard if there was arc or vol without text but also could be really cool :laugh

[Higawa]

i would be laughtinh my ass off really hard if there was arc or vol without text but also could be really cool :laugh

Berserks Artwork is just great!
But I also want some more plot text^^

[Mat®icha]

man, i wants new chapter. about time miura started developing gutts' story again, i want elf arc to kick in.

[Jugger]

Berserks Artwork is just great!
But I also want some more plot text^^

Ok but Miura is only one that possible can do it. It would be really great have vol with lot of plot and without text. There are not many manga artist that have balls do even one chapter without text.

[Random Member]

What the fuck is that guy?!?!?!?!

Even for a monster, that's fucking creepy :argh

[Deathbringerpt]

Well, apparently we´re getting another break guys.

The good news is that the return is scheduled for Young Animal #19 (25/09).

Also must resist spoilers. The usual.

[Segan]

Wait, that's till end of September...fuck!

[Deathbringerpt]

Wait, that's till end of September...fuck!

Dude, the last break was almost a year, when it comes to Berserk, this is practically tomorrow .

[Quelsatron]

spoilers

I had WTF face at ubik sits in half-bodie-guy-with-hat's stomach :argh :lmao



That's fucking AWESOME

Really, it reminds me of Salvador Dali.

[Muk]

wow wtf ..... we still aren't close to elf island :argh

[Segan]

Miura's still determined as fuck to make the best artwork as possible, apparently, and that slows down everything. Ah well, nothing can be done about it.

[Muk]

ahh man :( and i had hoped at least we get a glimps at elf land before the next break :(

[RivFader]

The world transform into a Dali painting and we'll have to wait till September...

Miura :oh

[Higawa]

September ................but spoilers look good though!

[Berserkhawk z]

Whoa spoilers are awesome and creepy :):oh

[Fireball]

spoilers





holy shit, what's the garden of earthly delights (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Bosch_Jardin_des_delices_detail.jpg)doing in my berserk! http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/583/obamahead2ac4.gif

man, and i thought the naruto spoilers where awesome. miura whatever the fuck you are taking.....please never stop using it :nod

[Blaze of Glory]

Is it just me or am I the only one who laughed his fucking ass off at the half-body naked wizard dude? :rofl

:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

Griffith's idea of a new world is hilariously insane. :haha :haha

[Segan]

holy shit, what's the garden of earthly delights (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Bosch_Jardin_des_delices_detail.jpg)doing in my berserk! http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/583/obamahead2ac4.gif

man, and i thought the naruto spoilers where awesome. miura whatever the fuck you are taking.....please never stop using it :nodWhat does Naruto have to do with anything here?

[Fireball]

actually. nothing =P

[Mat®icha]

trolls? again? again no word chaper?

[God Movement]

Skull Knight is FTW

[αshɘs]

Whoa September?:(

But holy shit the double spreads:omg and no talking again?:lmao

[Nightfall]

I like the dragon:del

Classic design as well

Can't say I'm surprised about the break, oh well September isn't that long.

[TSC]

LOL that Hieronymus Bosch's Garden of Earthly Delights is in Berserk and the pic with Slan I'm assuming is inspired by Gustave Doré's Angel Host painting http://rosaecruz.no.sapo.pt/MEcclesia/symbols/Dore-empyrean.jpg

[MisterJB]

C'mon, a full arc with the trolls was already too much.

[Mat®icha]

well, appearantly miura likes drawing trolls.


speaking of paintings, i wonder if miura do paintings, his art is top notch in the manga world.

[KidTony]

wait..the chapter is coming out when?? September?

[TSC]

speaking of paintings, i wonder if miura do paintings, his art is top notch in the manga world.

Yes he does do paintings. The covers for Berserk volumes are actually paintings. If you got the Berserk artbook, you can see in many of the illustrations that the bits of the canvas' texture come through from the oil painting.

[Blaze of Glory]

Miura art is uber sexy and cool :ohpek :ohpek

[Mat®icha]

well, i better check them out when i got time.

[Jugger]

raw is out http://mangahelpers.com/s/raw-paradise/details/36726

there is text...

[Deathbringerpt]

well, appearantly miura likes drawing trolls.

Trolls are from the Astral Realm.

Astral realm is infused on Earth.

All magical creatures from the Astral realm are now on earth, including trolls.

[Segan]

Looks like Miura's pretty cultivated when you look at all those references to real life art.

[Eman5805]

I started reading this manga seriously and I'm just hooked. I'm just after the part where Griffith just came back and Guts fought Zodd again. Have to wonder if he'll will ever be strong enough to take Zodd out, but apparently he's a match for him in that human form...

[Kusuriuri]

I started reading this manga seriously and I'm just hooked. I'm just after the part where Griffith just came back and Guts fought Zodd again. Have to wonder if he'll will ever be strong enough to take Zodd out, but apparently he's a match for him in that human form...

You should probably stay away from the thread until you catch up. Spoilers will ruin certain parts of the story.

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The Berserk-verse is royally fucked :argh

[TSC]

When I was reading this chapter RAW, I was playing Forces in background. Really give awesome vibe to this chapter

[Eman5805]

You should probably stay away from the thread until you catch up. Spoilers will ruin certain parts of the story.

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The Berserk-verse is royally fucked :argh

Won't take long with me. I'm a fast read and I tend to skim over the introspective inner monologue stuff characters tend to do.

[Ico]

:facepalm at me never finding this thread before.

Read the raw, looks like hell has been unleashed.

[Hellrasinbrasin]

We're off to see the Wizard the Wonderful Wizard of OZ tralla tralla la la la la la Look there's a Troll, Theres a Pole so get in Line for The Wonderful World of Miura Tralla Tralla La la la la la la la la la la whoah an Accordian Gat-Milk

[RivFader]

Scan's out @ FH (http://www.franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9728)

[Canute87]

man


the term all hell broke loose is an understatement.

Plus did i just see people living in someone's ass.Page 14.

[Fireball]

oh shit, fantasia! :argh:argh

[Hellrasinbrasin]

THE FORCE IS STRONG IN THIS THREAD BUT NOT AS STROOOOOOONG AS THE VIDEO BELOW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDKeKzkM784