Berserk Discussion Thread [Archive] - Page 10

G@R-chan

10-02-2007, 05:29 PM

Nothing really happened in this chapter. The inner beast seemed to foresee a future bloodshed. But what caught my attention is the sentence "...almost like that time." Guts will probably lose everything once again, but it seems as if he was refering to an eclipse except this time Guts will be the one to sacrifice everybody. I see this as he wants to kill Griffith but don't have the power and he loses up his mind and gets to sacrifice everybody in order to fulfill his wish aka eclipse.
Or it could be that Guts, by killing off his companions will take the path of a Berserker and never comes back from his inner beast control. But the inner beast seems confident to defeat Griffith in a battle, this is why I predict the first option. Well ,let's wait and see.
All the chicks are being jealous of Caska, it's not new but Miura likes emphasizing this particular event. Is there a possible betrayal in progress or the lack of motivation and concentration of the whole team could predict that something bad will happen?
On november 11th the next chapter, it's so long :cry

Sess

10-02-2007, 08:08 PM

Okay, this chapter said a lot about the darkness we've been discussing. It looks very much like it is something within the armor that has possessed Gutts and not something that was in him all along. I'm not saying Gutts doesn't have his own dark side, but this demon we keep seeing is the armor. It has a consciousness and it speaks to Gutts in his dream. It even said that it was released the moment Gutts put on the armor.

"With such a yoke, don't think you keep me in chains... The instant you gained that shell, I was already unleashed. That sly witch thinks she has tamed me, but that was only a temporary thing."

The background for these words are the armor in its most aggressive form, the demon in Gutts which looks just like the armor in that form, and Schierke trying to keep Gutts in control of his body and mind when he's fighting in the armor. I think it's quite clear, the darkness, the demon, is the consciousness of the Berserker armor that Flora warned them about, although I don't think she referred to an actual consciousness like I have.

AbnormallyNormal

10-03-2007, 12:47 AM

no its something within gutts himself. it says the armor just helped the inner beast be "unleashed". and now its growing a lot more, but its still willing to obey gutts for the time being. i find it amazing how confident gutts' inner beast is, and we still dont really understand WHAT that thing is. apparently it believes it can destroy griffith, a god hand, in a 1 on 1, which is totallly nuts!!! ganishka is such a jackass i cant wait til he gets killed already.... too bad we have to wait an entire mmonth

yo586

10-03-2007, 01:48 AM

no its something within gutts himself. it says the armor just helped the inner beast be "unleashed".

agreed. the armor takes the shape of gut's berserker rage, aka his inner beast. I really have no idea what's going to happen, so many plausible good story routes.
Do you think Gutts will have the chance to sacrifice his companions or will he go crazy if they get killed by apostles again (w/o his sacrifice)?

Segan

10-03-2007, 02:38 AM

Mat®icha

10-03-2007, 02:54 AM

Evil Genius 290 (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Z7R7XAXM)
thanx:salute

Segan

10-03-2007, 03:36 AM

Anyway, vol. 32 will be out 29th November. Here's the cover (soooo cool!)
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/2930/coverband32in8.jpg

Mat®icha

10-03-2007, 04:09 AM

omg, i'm amazed with the art of this manga, so precise, so detailed.
amazing.

AbnormallyNormal

10-03-2007, 04:31 AM

hmm yeah i guess it was the events of the eclipse that somehow created gutts inner beast.... i guess since in this manga human questioning of the absurdities of life/death create the idea of evil, aka god, and hence give rise to ghouls/demons etc, that somewhat seems plausible that gutts' extreme rage and intense feelings during the eclipse could tanigibly manifest into a gigantic crazy wolf being

Sess

10-03-2007, 05:27 AM

No need to be sarcastic. Anyway, I wasn't ignoring anything. I just didn't remember the earlier parts of the manga being like that. It's been a while since I've read parts earlier than volume 24, where Gutts' party first meets Schierke.

However, I have done a little searching and am now ready to side with you. The second chapter of volume 23, chapter 188, is where Gutts almost strangles Caska. I remember this scene very well.... or so I thought. What I remembered was that there were demons around screwing with Gutts and he accidentally latches on to Caska. What I had forgotten was the conversation Gutts just had before that in chapter 187. And wouldn't you know it, there's that damn demon... it looks exactly the same as it does in the recent chapters and this is before the armor has even been introduced.

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5358/berserkv23c01p021copyvn9.jpg
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/7035/berserkv23c01p022copyqx7.jpg
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5396/berserkv23c01p023copyli6.jpg
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/1599/berserkv23c01p024copyxy0.jpg
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/1833/berserkv23c01p025copyil5.jpg
So yeah, it's pretty hard to argue with that.

I'd like to address something else though. There are no hard rules in manga. I don't care what character said what or what the definitions are of this word and that word.... it doesn't matter. Miura is going to do what he feels it best for his story. So let's get over the arguments about the god hand and Griffith and how they are omnipotent and thereby definition because and therefore we the people find the defendant guilty ok so what who cares. It doesn't matter. It's the story that counts. It's not the rules. It's not the definitions. It's not the Wikipedia entries. It's...the...story!

Segan

10-03-2007, 05:32 AM

No need to be sarcastic. Anyway, I wasn't ignoring anything. I just didn't remember the earlier parts of the manga being like that. It's been a while since I've read parts earlier than volume 24, where Gutts' party first meets Schierke.

However, I have done a little searching and am now ready to side with you. The second chapter of volume 23, chapter 188, is where Gutts almost strangles Caska. I remember this scene very well.... or so I thought. What I remembered was that there were demons around screwing with Gutts and he accidentally latches on to Caska. What I had forgotten was the conversation Gutts just had before that in chapter 187. And wouldn't you know it, there's that damn demon... it looks exactly the same as it does in the recent chapters and this is before the armor has even been introduced.

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5358/berserkv23c01p021copyvn9.jpg
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/7035/berserkv23c01p022copyqx7.jpg
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5396/berserkv23c01p023copyli6.jpg
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/1599/berserkv23c01p024copyxy0.jpg
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/1833/berserkv23c01p025copyil5.jpg
So yeah, it's pretty hard to argue with that.Well, with that the case should be enclosed.

I'd like to address something else though. There are no hard rules in manga. I don't care what character said what or what the definitions are if this word and that word.... it doesn't matter. Miura is going to do what he feels it best for his story. So let's get over the arguments about the godhand and Griffith and how they are omnipotent and thereby definition because and therefore we the people find the defendant guilty ok so what who cares. It doesn't matter. It's the story. It's not the rules. It's not the definitions. It's not the Wikipedia entries. It's...the...story!Of course, what else?

Discussing certain topics shouldn't hurt, though.

Kaki

10-04-2007, 08:45 PM

So, is this dog his spirit or is it a supernatural power. Makes me wonder about it's origin.

Segan

10-05-2007, 02:51 AM

So, is this dog his spirit or is it a supernatural power. Makes me wonder about it's origin.I'd recommend you to read the series in its entirety.

I'm always wondering why some people are thinking that the Beast is a separate entity that popped out of nowhere or inhabited the Armor before...when in fact his existance had been hinted since the eclipse and was shown first after the fight with Roshinu ended.

G@R-chan

10-05-2007, 10:00 AM

I just want to make some speculations here.
With the lost chapter, we know that "God" is the idea of Evil that remains in the hearts of human beings.
If we consider the inner beast as the evil side of Guts, do you think it's possible that it could be the way to defeat those godly powers, with an entity that has the same origin. Guts is known as the struggler, he fights against fate and only knows the battlefield since he was born. His own idea of "evil" could be able to compete with the idea of Evil.
Inner beast Guts>>>>>>>>>>>Idea of Evil :gar

At least, this is what I could conclude but what I think, if we need to fight Evil with Evil, is a bit controversial so I assume the inner beast will lose and what will really happen is the power of friendship/love>>>>>God. Let's wait for Griffith to realize his love for Guts.

I'm not sure if I make sense.:confused
Don't mind if it's confusing.

Segan

10-05-2007, 10:05 AM

Ciupy

10-05-2007, 06:28 PM

The Idea of Evil has been formed and strengthened throughout ages by the human dark feelings, which has to be at least in millions of that kind.

And the hatred of a single man is supposed to oppose THAT?

Dunno..Gutts's hate is pretty strong!:gar

Also..I have read Berserk first time at the recommandation of a friend of mine.

It tottaly blew me away and when I finally reached the last chapter released back then (2006) I wantead moar..
And I patiently waited for more chapters to be released.

The last time I read Berserk they were in the port going for the island.

Would you kindly point me which chapter was that and what chapter is the last released please? :iria

Edit:Also Gutts is the most GAR character I have ever seen..in all of the fiction I saw..

Taleran

10-06-2007, 01:04 AM

now about all this serious talk....

wait does some here Forces in the background

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0bVNoYpCWB4

Warning: This dude totally chops this other dude with a giant sword, and he slices off HIS head and HIS HORSE'S HEAD, and there's blood everywhere, and it's totally wicked-awesome.

Segan

10-06-2007, 02:59 AM

Ciupy

10-06-2007, 04:46 AM

@Ciupy: Guts' party departed at the end of chapter 278 and currently, chapter 290 is out.

@Taleran: Sorry, but that doesn't even come close to what has been shown in the manga. Anime sucks.

Sorry for the hard judgement :P (in fact, I'm not sorry at all)

Thank you Segan!:nod

Arishem

10-06-2007, 08:50 AM

Segan

10-06-2007, 10:12 AM

I'm probably one of the few that read the manga before taking on the anime. I couldn't even bring myself to finish the latter.Neither could I. Couldn't bring myself to finish watching the first episode, because I goddamn knew already after a few minutes, that I wouldn't like the rest.

Then I tried to pick a random episode to see if this could change my opinion. And it happened to be an episode from the Griffith rescue arc. When I saw Guts fleeing from a group of riding pursuers, for a moment I was excited, because I thought, I would see the Black Dogs in action.

You can't imagine how incredibly disappointed I was after realizing that it was just some of the regular soldiers of Midland. God, the rescue arc was one of the finest arcs ever made in the whole Berserk, and they left out, what made it so good?

Screw that, Berserk anime sucks. Period.

Pintsize

10-07-2007, 10:15 AM

Segan, I think you need to watch Taleran's clip. It isn't the anime, really :P

Segan

10-07-2007, 10:39 AM

Well, the animation definitely is from the anime...what else do I need to know?

Zephos

10-07-2007, 11:33 AM

Well, the animation definitely is from the anime...what else do I need to know?

Have you ever seen any Abridged Series?

Segan

10-07-2007, 12:21 PM

Have you ever seen any Abridged Series?Why bother? You're gonna tell me that abridged series suck less than the ones with original lengths?

Pintsize

10-07-2007, 01:42 PM

Yes.............

Segan

10-07-2007, 02:07 PM

It still sucked, when I watched Taleran's clip.

Zephos

10-07-2007, 02:31 PM

Why bother? You're gonna tell me that abridged series suck less than the ones with original lengths?

So you don't know what that is at all.

Segan

10-07-2007, 02:35 PM

No, I don't.

nydo

10-08-2007, 11:22 AM

So did the pimping project die? :(

Segan

10-08-2007, 11:31 AM

Seems so...

Muk

10-09-2007, 03:47 AM

i actually think that the wolf/dog existed far before that scene in 187

gutts first battle with the one horned devil, whos name escapes me at this moment,

at that time the monster recognized gutts potential evil/power but at that time it wasn't materialized as a wolf yet.

i think only afterwards, after the eclipse did it fully materialize into a demon, because before that he couldn't see it as such.

Segan

10-09-2007, 03:55 AM

It's neither a wolf nor a dog. It's simply called Beast, and it most likely didn't even exist before the Eclipse, and if it did, then just as a nameless and uspeakable form of desire to fight death and escape it.

But it was during the course of 2 years after the Eclipse that Guts' hatred began to manifest due to the highly spiritual environment Guts is exposed to and is now shown as a beast.

The first picture of the Beast was shown after the fight with Roshinu ended in a chapter cover, and the ghosts around Guts formed to something that looked awfully similar to the Beast we know today.

Sess

10-09-2007, 05:01 AM

Ah, anime vs manga once again. It's simple: If you watch the anime first and then read the manga, you love the anime. If you read the manga first and then watch the anime, you hate the anime. That's all there is to it.

People always hate when manga content is left out of the anime..... if they had read the manga first. Otherwise, they don't know any better. They just sit back and enjoy a great anime. And when they get around to reading the manga, they are delighted by all the extra content.

Does that make the anime bad? Not in my opinion. It's just different. When I watch Berserk anime, I enjoy what is there. When I read Berserk manga, I enjoy the rest. But to sit watching or reading and constantly scrutinizing the differences, well that doesn't sound like fun at all.

I said a little while ago, and you agreed with me Segan, "It's the story" that counts. The anime is a different version of the story, but it's still a great story. People should try enjoying it for what it is instead of comparing it to the "perfect" anime they pictured in their mind.

Segan

10-09-2007, 05:13 AM

Yes, sure, but my opinion still doesn't change. :wink

Zephos

10-09-2007, 01:02 PM

Ah, anime vs manga once again. It's simple: If you watch the anime first and then read the manga, you love the anime. If you read the manga first and then watch the anime, you hate the anime. That's all there is to it.

Not really, Iv'e had the situation for many other mangas. Dragonball for example, I saw the anime first and now I despise it in favor of the manga.
This is really a cop-out explanation.
I can easily make a dozen argeuments why the manga is far better, what I've seen first will not have mattered with those.

AbnormallyNormal

10-09-2007, 05:07 PM

yeah and i guess if you think about it. gutts's life is such a fucking mess of shit for him, but at the same time, maybe that massive shitty life he leads is what makes his Beast powerful enough to kill a god hand?

Segan

10-09-2007, 05:12 PM

Hatred alone isn't enough to beat a God Hand.

Sess

10-10-2007, 02:24 AM

Not really, Iv'e had the situation for many other mangas. Dragonball for example, I saw the anime first and now I despise it in favor of the manga.
This is really a cop-out explanation.
I can easily make a dozen argeuments why the manga is far better, what I've seen first will not have mattered with those.I agree with you that the manga is way better than the anime. But here's the thing. When I watched the anime, I enjoyed it. Just because I enjoyed the manga more doesn't mean I'm going to change my opinion about the anime. As I've said in previous discussions, I have watched the anime several times since reading through the manga and I still enjoy it.

I'm not trying to say you guys are wrong for not liking the anime. Obviously it is stupid to criticize someone for not enjoying something. People will either enjoy or not enjoy something based on their tastes and past experiences. But that right there is kinda my entire point. You guys are giving your opinions on the anime in a very matter-of-fact kind of way. "The anime did this, this, and this, and therefore by definition we the people find the anime: worthless." "Well, that's like, your opinion man." Your free to have it, but you don't need to stand up on a soapbox and try to sell your opinion as gospel.

Yakuza

10-10-2007, 06:26 AM

sorry for ultra innactivity guys...

any good news on beserk for the past 3 weeks??? :lmao

Segan

10-10-2007, 06:27 AM

Yes. Some more screentime for the infamous Beast.

Elijah Snow

10-10-2007, 01:56 PM

And with a cryptic message. I wonder how this will all play out.

Segan

10-10-2007, 02:10 PM

It will play out as a tragedy. Not that it's for granted, since I'm not Miura, but I see a quite high chance of this happening.

And the fact that Guts doesn't remember the nightmare is a heavy foreshadowing to the turn of events that will come at some point of time.

Elijah Snow

10-10-2007, 02:46 PM

Still you gotta wonder how long it will take to see that foreshadow. Considering Miura's pauses have gotten longer and more frequent.

Zephos

10-10-2007, 02:46 PM

You guys are giving your opinions on the anime in a very matter-of-fact kind of way. "The anime did this, this, and this, and therefore by definition we the people find the anime: worthless." "Well, that's like, your opinion man." Your free to have it, but you don't need to stand up on a soapbox and try to sell your opinion as gospel.

What people are saying about it sucking is no different than your equally militant defense.
If you disagree than so what. What do youe expect people to do.
Whatever labels or perception you have of people's communication of thier opinion, its still what they're saying.
If your not going to refute thier arguments than your essentially just telling them not to have opinions at all.

Sess

10-11-2007, 05:20 AM

What people are saying about it sucking is no different than your equally militant defense.
If you disagree than so what. What do youe expect people to do.
Whatever labels or perception you have of people's communication of thier opinion, its still what they're saying.
If your not going to refute thier arguments than your essentially just telling them not to have opinions at all.I didn't mean to give that impression. I'm not trying to change your mind. It's just that the responses I get from those of you who don't like the anime are sometimes very dismissive and belittling, as if your words are a veiled insult saying that those of us who really like the anime are fools because you hate it and you're right.

My point is that the people who love it and the people who hate it are, to a large extent, easily identified as the people who watched the anime first and the people who read the manga first, with a few exceptions. Because people are so divided on this issue, it seems unreasonable that one side would feel that they are right and the other side is wrong, when it's obvious that there is more to it than that.

But I'm probably just being too sensitive. Since I love Berserk so much, when I see people bad mouthing the anime, I feel like they're making fun of my baby because it's not super cute..... at least, I think that's what it would feel like.... if I had a baby.... and it wasn't super cute.... and people made fun of it.... and it had a huge sword....

mystictrunks

10-15-2007, 04:40 AM

I have a feeling Ishidori will play a a much bigger role then he has up until now pretty soon.

Segan

10-15-2007, 05:17 AM

Isidro already plays a pretty big role. Or did you forget who saved Casca in Albion from being burnt?

Sess

10-15-2007, 05:28 AM

I think I brought this up before, but is anyone else tired of Puck being portrayed as an idiot? Before Guts hooked up with Schierke and Evarella, Puck was smart and thoughtful. He often acted as Guts' conscience, in a way. But now he's just comic relief. :(

mystictrunks

10-15-2007, 07:15 AM

Isidro already plays a pretty big role. Or did you forget who saved Casca in Albion from being burnt?

I mean character development, with all the bad things that are going to happen pretty soon I see him as the character with the most need to change. He also seems to be the only slightly innocent member of Gutts' party at the moment(aside from the elves)

On Puck: He probably got shoved to comic relief because of Caska traveling with Gutts. Since he has someone to protect he can't be as "immoral" as he was at the very start. But because of this Puck is out of luck.

Segan

10-15-2007, 07:19 AM

Well, Isidro hasn't killed any humans yet...he's not exactly afraid of fighting monsters, but he's clearly afraid to kill a human. I guess, that's why he's the most innocent party member aside from Shierke and the fairies.

Nicholas_wicked

10-15-2007, 04:50 PM

This manga needs more griffith action..

He runs the shit

Segan

10-15-2007, 05:16 PM

This manga needs more griffith action..

He runs the shitTrue enough. I think, the next chapters are supposed to feature Griffith from now on, based on the comments in the last page of chapter 290.

Yakuza

10-16-2007, 01:01 PM

Only just read the last chapter of Beserk :awesome

ryne11

10-17-2007, 12:04 AM

WHITEBEARD

10-17-2007, 03:30 AM

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/10/8/1494732/Gutsvsspidey.gif

Elijah Snow

10-17-2007, 03:43 AM

That was pretty awesome.

Segan

10-17-2007, 05:13 AM

I don't think regular Guts would have it that easy against Spidey...but it's awesome nonetheless.

Lusankya

10-17-2007, 05:26 AM

Cool stuff. Gutts could kick Spidey ass anytime :D

Segan

10-17-2007, 06:43 AM

Cool stuff. Gutts could kick Spidey ass anytime :DI don't think so. If it was Berserker Guts, then yes. But regular Guts will have quite a bit of trouble against a bloodlusted Spidey. With a good chance of losing...

Yakuza

10-17-2007, 06:48 AM

I don't think so. If it was Berserker Guts, then yes. But regular Guts will have quite a bit of trouble against a bloodlusted Spidey. With a good chance of losing...

SeGaN, hows it going mate?!

as for that comparing Gutts and Spiderman, I think its hard to put both together since Spidey stories are physicless whearas although berserk is mad, physics are much more similar to our work...

spidey got the agility, but gutts would drop him if he manage to hit him...

and take into consideration that gutts is super skilled to... remember his training after going blind in one eye, on the waterfall with the fish...
attacking just by hearing the noise and ultra-resilience

Segan

10-17-2007, 06:56 AM

Yeah, but Spidey's physical strength is at least in the 10 tons range, from what I remember. With an agility like his, such power is quite dangerous for Guts to face Spidey close-up.

Agmaster

10-17-2007, 09:51 AM

I'd think Spidey could stop the sword. Sticky hands, spider reflexes + combaat experience == blade catching.

Yakuza

10-17-2007, 09:59 AM

Yeah, but Spidey's physical strength is at least in the 10 tons range, from what I remember. With an agility like his, such power is quite dangerous for Guts to face Spidey close-up.
well, thats true, but Gutts is extraordinary tough, the guy is a brik wall, and thats all withing a realistic physical enviroment, which spidey isnt.

now, if Gutts puts on the armour and go beserk, spidey would be defeated quite badly IMO
I'd think Spidey could stop the sword. Sticky hands, spider reflexes + combaat experience == blade catching.
dude, your nickname reminds me of a guy in a games forums I used to go on....

Wuzzman

10-17-2007, 10:39 AM

Spiderman is 10x above Gutts strength. Please no comparing Berserkerverse to Marvel.

Yakuza

10-17-2007, 10:45 AM

Spiderman is 10x above Gutts strength. Please no comparing Berserkerverse to Marvel.

its also 10x impossible againt real pyshics...

so, if we upgrade gutts to the spidey world (which wwould be x10), spidey would be dead period

cha-uzu

10-17-2007, 11:38 AM

MdB

10-17-2007, 12:08 PM

No Gutts could Not defeat spiderman. Marvel Universe has humans like Gutts also no, in the Marvel universe Gutts would NOT get an upgrade. Gutts would have a hard time against Captian America... He couldn't break his shield. Spidey is 10 ton'er. he has unbelievable speed and agility. He would break Gutts if he hit him full strength... even half strength. even within his armor he couldn't defeat Spiderman. i love gutts but its no contest. Next you'd put Griffith against The Surfer... Not on your life...

First of all, Gutts isn't a normal human so that's pretty much irrelevent. And him having a hard time against Cap? Gutt's with The Berserker Armor is a superhumen, unlike Captain America. But what do you want to proof with Gutts not having the capabilities to destroy his shield considering it takes a lot of cosmic power to do so? And I wouldn't go as far as to say how The Silver Surfer is stronger than Griffith or Femto if we didn't even see a fraction of his true powers. Him, manipulating casuality to a certain degree makes him already a low level reality warper.

'REDHAIRED' SHANKS

10-18-2007, 02:11 AM

Gutts without the armour
I'd say that spidey takes this one based on his mid range fighting capabilities. I dont think Gutts can evade Spidey's web for long. Gutts needs to get close up for his sword to come into the picture.

And yeah I guess spidey is stronger than Gutts.

Gutts with the armour
I think Gutts is faster than spidey in this state and can close in from a mid-range to a close combat situation faster than what spidey can react to. Hence he can close the distance and own spidey in close combat. But once spidey starts using his web to travel then guts cant obviously chase him.

With the armour, Berseker Gutts take the match.

WHITEBEARD

10-18-2007, 03:48 AM

Why are you guys arguing this?

When The WHITEBEARD already post the fight?

Segan

10-18-2007, 03:58 AM

Why are you guys arguing this?

When The WHITEBEARD already post the fight?'cause you got nothing to say in that matter :wink

WHITEBEARD

10-18-2007, 04:36 AM

'cause you got nothing to say in that matter :wink

The WHITEBEARD, didn't need to say anything, Canon spoke for The WHITEBEARD.

AbnormallyNormal

10-18-2007, 04:45 AM

spiderman's webbing and speed would kill any version of gutts, or at the very least allow spiderman to escape alive and intact. but that video ruled

WHITEBEARD

10-18-2007, 04:49 AM

Its also Canon.:kthumb

Yakuza

10-18-2007, 05:37 AM

enough with gutts v. spidey
this argument is going nowhere :lmao

AbnormallyNormal

10-18-2007, 05:55 AM

well if gutts' inner beast can truly kill a god hand, then maybe it could slaughter spiderman. but i dnt think normal gutts can

Segan

10-18-2007, 06:05 AM

well if gutts' inner beast can truly kill a god hand, then maybe it could slaughter spiderman. but i dnt think normal gutts canStop it. I will make another Spidey vs. Guts thread later in the OBD. You can discuss it there then.

Yakuza

10-18-2007, 06:06 AM

Stop it. I will make another Spidey vs. Guts thread later in the OBD. You can discuss it there then.

lol, getting fed up with this argument here :lmao

Freija

10-18-2007, 08:39 AM

Hey guys, are they at the island yet ?

Yakuza

10-18-2007, 10:10 AM

Hey guys, are they at the island yet ?

:lmao at your name, I guess Pek reaches each member in a different way.. :pek

Wuzzman

10-18-2007, 10:18 AM

Lol. Spiderman murders Gutts....marvel is on another level...

Freija

10-18-2007, 11:30 AM

peK, the man, the legend, the first mod(he was a mod then) to threaten me :wtf

Yakuza

10-18-2007, 11:31 AM

peK, the man, the legend, the first mod(he was a mod then) to threaten me :wtf

The only mod to give out infractions :lmao

Freija

10-18-2007, 11:32 AM

i've never gotten an infraction :sag

Yakuza

10-18-2007, 11:33 AM

I have :sag
unfairly, but i have

Freija

10-18-2007, 12:08 PM

so have they reached the island yet ?

Segan

10-18-2007, 12:40 PM

so have they reached the island yet ?Not yet...

'REDHAIRED' SHANKS

10-18-2007, 12:56 PM

@ Segan ... lol were u finally answering freija's question ??

Just to be clear, the ship had encountered pirates, who were duly dispatched by that noble son who previously cut a sorry figure when Gutts was fighting all those monsters.

Segan

10-18-2007, 02:02 PM

@ Segan ... lol were u finally answering freija's question ??
Apparently.
Just to be clear, the ship had encountered pirates, who were duly dispatched by that noble son who previously cut a sorry figure when Gutts was fighting all those monsters.C'mon, don't spoil it for someone who's obviously not up to date... :(

Freija

10-18-2007, 02:04 PM

Not yet...

Dear god, have they atleast spotted it?

Segan

10-18-2007, 02:12 PM

Dear god, have they atleast spotted it?No. And the scene will probably switch to Griffith again. But I'm kinda looking forward to how Ganishka is planning to battle Griffith, now that he's got a glimpse of his powers...

Freija

10-18-2007, 02:13 PM

:puke seriously slow moving plot D:

Segan

10-18-2007, 02:15 PM

Don't complain. Rather, go back the chapters and see how detailed Miura drew the clash of the armies Hawks vs. the Kushans. It's amazing, I tell ya.

Zephos

10-18-2007, 03:33 PM

:puke seriously slow moving plot D:

More whining from people who just caught up plz.

Elijah Snow

10-18-2007, 04:10 PM

^I find it to be a legitimate complaint. I don't mind, but I can understand why people would say that. Let's face it the story is going real slow at this point.

cha-uzu

10-18-2007, 04:34 PM

First of all, Gutts isn't a normal human so that's pretty much irrelevent. And him having a hard time against Cap? Gutt's with The Berserker Armor is a superhumen, unlike Captain America. But what do you want to proof with Gutts not having the capabilities to destroy his shield considering it takes a lot of cosmic power to do so? And I wouldn't go as far as to say how The Silver Surfer is stronger than Griffith or Femto if we didn't even see a fraction of his true powers. Him, manipulating casuality to a certain degree makes him already a low level reality warper.Cap'n America is a super human also. Guts with Armor would probably defeat Cap'n but not spiderman. Silver Surfer can destroy planets... he's a Hundred Ton'er and his skin is impregnable that he can fly thru a star... Which he has done. He would Iron Griffith and Femto flat. He can also project unboundless cosmic energy. Surfer would be considered a god. He can move at warp speed also.

I know this has been asked before but. Is there no Good power in the berserk Universe? Has it ever been hinted at in one time or another?

Segan

10-18-2007, 04:50 PM

^I find it to be a legitimate complaint. I don't mind, but I can understand why people would say that. Let's face it the story is going real slow at this point.When has it ever gone fast?

@cha-zu: There seem to be good powers in the Berserk Universe, as hinted by Schierke's summoning of the four guardians of the elements.

Zephos

10-18-2007, 05:02 PM

Th story has been going at the same pace its been going at since vol.14.
While I admit Vol.31 was pointless, since than weve been getting where we need to go.
[Griffith has just made major steps to his asension to the throne, he has the pope backing him, the nobles of Midland backing him, and the armies of the Holy See rejoicing at him. All he needs to do is kill Ganishka/defaets the Kushan armies in Windham and he pretty much has his own kingdom.
-It seems the beast has backed off for the time being only because its savoring the possibility of Gutt's new friends getting killed ala the Hawks and fueling itself more.
-Gutts has started to lose his sight as Skull Knight promised.
-Farnese is improving in magic by leaps and bounds and is ever closer to Roderick.
-The boat has left and is heading to the island.
-Silat has witnessed yet again reasons to doubt and be cautious around Ganishka/Griffith.
-Azan's back with the group wether anyone realizes it or not.

The amount thats happend in the last volume and a half is huge.
Just focusing on whatever goal is the most prominent and whining about it not being reached yet it pretty much missing the whole point of a story.

Zephos

10-18-2007, 05:05 PM

Elijah Snow

10-18-2007, 05:06 PM

Dont get me wrong, I personally don't have a problem with the pace. Its just that some people do and I can undertand where they are coming from.

cha-uzu

10-18-2007, 05:26 PM

Femto/Griffith dosen't (didn't?) exist on the physical plane, good luck with ironing him. Same with the other Godhand/Idea.
Have you read the manga or what?Surfer has been to Hell and back. Planes of spirituality is where Femto/Griffith exist, or should i say Dimensions. From what your saying they would never be able to fight cause one doesn't exist in the others realm. Therefore reading the Manga would be irrellevant cause it could never happen.

They are the Idea of evil... Produced from the depth evil in the human mind.

AbnormallyNormal

10-18-2007, 05:46 PM

i have to say i have no interest in ganishka vs griffith since obviously griffith will kill ganishka. where is the suspense?

Segan

10-18-2007, 05:48 PM

i have to say i have no interest in ganishka vs griffith since obviously griffith will kill ganishka. where is the suspense?Well, it's Miura who's setting it up. That's suspense enough...

AbnormallyNormal

10-18-2007, 05:55 PM

the only character i have interest in is the ex-baki rakka member in the neo band of the hawk. i like his style and his power too, plus he said he is going to assassinate griffith (lol but still he has gusto)

Segan

10-18-2007, 05:56 PM

Rakshas hasn't shown any powers whatsoever...

cha-uzu

10-18-2007, 05:56 PM

I just wonder what his Formation of extreme evil will be.

Segan

10-18-2007, 06:00 PM

Dakas and Pisacas of course...maybe he has other weapons at hands?

AbnormallyNormal

10-18-2007, 06:00 PM

Rakshas hasn't shown any powers whatsoever...

yes he did. in the kushan army invasion scene remember he distorted the minds of the elephants that fucked up the "floating palace" of emperor ganishka. he was absolutely critical to allowing griffith entry to humiliate ganishka.

MdB

10-18-2007, 07:10 PM

Cap'n America is a super human also. Guts with Armor would probably defeat Cap'n but not spiderman. Silver Surfer can destroy planets... he's a Hundred Ton'er and his skin is impregnable that he can fly thru a star... Which he has done. He would Iron Griffith and Femto flat. He can also project unboundless cosmic energy. Surfer would be considered a god. He can move at warp speed also.

I know this has been asked before but. Is there no Good power in the berserk Universe? Has it ever been hinted at in one time or another?

Who gives a damn fuck if someone can bust planets? Damage output doesn't set the bar in terms of structuring someones overall strength, it's the same with physical strength. The rest of your argument basically consist of No Limits Fallacies and an Equivocation Fallacy. And what is your point with there being no good or bad power in Berserk?

Zephos

10-18-2007, 09:11 PM

Surfer has been to Hell and back. Planes of spirituality is where Femto/Griffith exist, or should i say Dimensions. From what your saying they would never be able to fight cause one doesn't exist in the others realm. Therefore reading the Manga would be irrellevant cause it could never happen.

They are the Idea of evil... Produced from the depth evil in the human mind.

Alright, you both don't understand Berserk metaphysics and have no idea what the Idea of Evil is.
And if I'm not mistaken you havn't even read it??

Sess

10-18-2007, 09:45 PM

I just wonder what his Formation of extreme evil will be.cha-uzu: Dude...... who is that in your sig being felt up on what looks like live television??

cha-uzu

10-19-2007, 01:13 PM

Who gives a damn fuck if someone can bust planets? Damage output doesn't set the bar in terms of structuring someones overall strength, it's the same with physical strength. The rest of your argument basically consist of No Limits Fallacies and an Equivocation Fallacy. And what is your point with there being no good or bad power in Berserk?
I had no point, I was asking a question. Damage output mean nothing? how? If you say that then how are you coming to the conclusion Femto/Griffith>Silver Surfer???

Surfer's Powers are:

-Weilds the Power Cosmic
-Absorbing The Universes Ambient Cosmic energies
-He can augment his strength to incalculable levels
-He almost totally indestructable
-He can navigate Space, Hyperspace, and Dimentional Barriers
-He can fly at limitless speeds on his board
-Time Travel
-He doesn't require, food, Sleep, Air or drink
-He is immune to temperature degree's and most Radiation
-He can analyse manipulate Matter and energy and restructure or animate Matter at will even transmutting elements
-He can Heal Living Beings
-He can Revitalize or Evolve Organic Life on a planet wide scale.
-He can alter his size and other matter
-Project Energy
-Cast Illusions
-Manipulate Gravity
-Absorb and discharge energy
-Phase thru solid Matter
-His senses can detect objects and energies lightyears away
-With consentration he can see thru time and achieve limited perseption of the past and future
-Limited telepathic abilities

Like... come on :huh

cha-uzu

10-19-2007, 01:14 PM

cha-uzu: Dude...... who is that in your sig being felt up on what looks like live television??:P Scarlett Johannson. I want his job! lol
Alright, you both don't understand Berserk metaphysics and have no idea what the Idea of Evil is.
And if I'm not mistaken you havn't even read it??
You are right I don't fully understand Berserks Metaphysics. It doesn't make full sense to me at times. I've read the whole Manga. Its one of, if not the deepest Manga ever. Under the extreme violence and sexuality, is a very deep storyline which drew me to it. Now is Berserks Metaphysics rooted in what we figure in real life? Life and death, Evil and good, Light and Darkness? or is it a whole new philosophy. This is sometimes what confuses me because when i think of the God Hands... I think of devils and or Demons... But the lack of angelic presences throw that out the window. But then I look at real life and just like the Berserk realm we are surrounded by evidence of all evil and no real good. And if the idea of evil is something that cannot be defeated... Whats going to happen to everyone including Gutts? How can he defeat such strong imnipotent foes. Is there an Idea of good?

MdB

10-19-2007, 06:45 PM

I had no point, I was asking a question. Damage output mean nothing? how? If you say that then how are you coming to the conclusion Femto/Griffith>Silver Surfer???

Surfer's Powers are:

-Weilds the Power Cosmic
-Absorbing The Universes Ambient Cosmic energies
-He can augment his strength to incalculable levels
-He almost totally indestructable
-He can navigate Space, Hyperspace, and Dimentional Barriers
-He can fly at limitless speeds on his board
-Time Travel
-He doesn't require, food, Sleep, Air or drink
-He is immune to temperature degree's and most Radiation
-He can analyse manipulate Matter and energy and restructure or animate Matter at will even transmutting elements
-He can Heal Living Beings
-He can Revitalize or Evolve Organic Life on a planet wide scale.
-He can alter his size and other matter
-Project Energy
-Cast Illusions
-Manipulate Gravity
-Absorb and discharge energy
-Phase thru solid Matter
-His senses can detect objects and energies lightyears away
-With consentration he can see thru time and achieve limited perseption of the past and future
-Limited telepathic abilities

Like... come on :huh

You asked for a question that was irrelevent to my argument, that's why I couldn't understand it. And stop using retarded Logical Fallacies, there tiresome. I said ''damage output doesn't set the bar in terms of structuring someones overall strength'', I didn't say ''it means it means nothing''. That is just a Straw Man argument on your part. Aside from that, I said that it is way to early to say Silver Surfer would win in a fight or simply putting the 2 against each other because we only saw a very, very, very little fraction of a God Hand members true power. Manipulating causuality, opening interdimensional portals, compressing and disingrating a certain space of reality, merging the different planes of the universe with state of being present, creating pocket dimensions and opening time portals are the only showings we have, and that's with them not pushing there powers to there limit.

Yakuza

10-20-2007, 09:58 AM

Having to wait til the 11th of November for another chapter :arg

Lazlow

10-20-2007, 11:53 AM

Just caught up with the latest chapter. It has to be my favorite manga atm.

Yakuza

10-20-2007, 11:55 AM

because it is the best manga ever

Muk

10-20-2007, 03:39 PM

i am sadden that miura is returning to the griffin section of the story

i had hoped he'd continue with Gutts a little longer, but i guess skiping ahead to the island of elfs is a little too soon

so we'll have the battle for midland during the trip to elf island

so if gutts returns from elf island he'll be facing something on the scale of whole midland, since most likely griffin is just goingt to walz right into the emperor's seat just like last time

AbnormallyNormal

10-21-2007, 03:30 AM

i wonder if the elf king knows all about god hand and stuff, maybe he's buddies with skull knight, that could be since maybe flora talked with him or something

Zephos

10-21-2007, 04:17 AM

i wonder if the elf king knows all about god hand and stuff, maybe he's buddies with skull knight, that could be since maybe flora talked with him or something

I would assume the Elf King would be quite a bit more magically knowledged than Flora, so yhea, definetly.

Yakuza

10-21-2007, 08:35 AM

Id expect the Elf king to have a extended knowledge of the affairs outside his island

Sess

10-21-2007, 07:50 PM

Hmm, I don't know about the Elf King, but the Goblin King knows all... (http://staplerwiththepower.ytmnd.com/)

Yakuza

10-22-2007, 07:53 AM

Elf king should know a lot...

Segan

10-22-2007, 08:14 AM

Elf king should know a lot...

why are you repeating yourself?

Yakuza

10-23-2007, 11:04 AM

why are you repeating yourself?

short term memory failure

Majeh

10-23-2007, 06:43 PM

any1 know where i can get a torrent with practically all the volumes in it..?

Yakuza

10-23-2007, 06:46 PM

any torrent page, just google it

Sess

10-23-2007, 09:42 PM

http://www.thehawks.org/

Yakuza

10-23-2007, 09:44 PM

i remember that page lol

Segan

10-24-2007, 03:14 AM

Dheano, that sig and ava is breaking the rules. I'm not kidding. This can get you banned sooner or later.

Yakuza

10-24-2007, 05:23 AM

Most mods are fine with it

Segan

10-24-2007, 05:57 AM

They are? Wouldn't have expected that...

Yakuza

10-24-2007, 05:59 AM

neither would have I.... but I guess people lol at it... I got a few reps for that...
its nothing personal, but the banjo made me lol hard

Sess

10-26-2007, 12:33 AM

Who's Dheano and what's wrong with his avatar and sig??

AbnormallyNormal

10-26-2007, 02:08 AM

dheano = royal paladine. avatar and sig are different now anyway. (had hitler stuff)

Sess

10-26-2007, 07:19 PM

Ahh.... Hitler is teh suck.

Yakuza

10-27-2007, 06:31 PM

Hitler is a wanker, I only had the sig cuz it was funny :LOS

now I have pirate cyborg ninja jesus, cant be more win then that

Yoburi

10-27-2007, 08:22 PM

Zephos

10-27-2007, 09:11 PM

about the Elf king maybe that girl ,from the false elf case when Guts meat Farsh and the wind guy and she even have some brats became false elfs, will she be in this elf place after all Guts didn't kill her and the holy paladins take him to prison in that time.

The hell.....?

If your talking about Rosine, she's dead. Seriously. As are all the elf children. They aren't elves anyway, thier apostle spawn and Rosine is an apostle. She's an evil demonic being. If she were alive now she would be working with Griffith.

If your talking about Jill, how the hell would she get there???
Not to mention you apparently missed the entire point of the last Misty Valley chapter. Jill is in her village. No two ways about it. She is staying there and fighting her way through life.

Seriously, you clearly need to reread the series judging by how much misinformation you have, not to mention you don;t even know Farnese and Serpico's names when thier part of the main cast.

Pay attention next time.

Wuzzman

10-28-2007, 02:07 AM

she didn't die on screen you know...

Segan

10-28-2007, 04:00 AM

she didn't die on screen you know...Wasn't necessary. She's dead. The message and the way it was portrayed might have been subtle, but it's nonetheless clear that Roshinu died.

Muk

10-28-2007, 04:19 AM

and don't try pulling a tard argument or naruto-ish argument here that if it is not shown in the manga it "didn't" happen

this is berserk we are talking about and even if the message is suttle, it happen.

Yoburi

10-28-2007, 05:39 AM

Wasn't necessary. She's dead. The message and the way it was portrayed might have been subtle, but it's nonetheless clear that Roshinu died.

Shre is nor dead remeber Jill say to Guts spare her and he did then some bastard apear and Guts flee the scene then Roshinu go to her home but there parents are dead after that she must have gone to the elf land she have wings to travel to that place.

I hope the hot 5 hand woman apear to Guts in this arc i remeber she fall in love for him and say that she will return just to see him all Guts need to do to call her is going alone in Berserk mode or have alot sex in some party but this is not Guts way. Well in the hand 5 she is the only one that i care made of win the others are just Guts hype to kill the Griffith and if Guts became a demon i belive she is going to be his master because Guts Behelit is one of her ex-apostle.

Segan

10-28-2007, 06:07 AM

I can hardly make any sense out of your reply, Yoburi....

Shre is nor dead remeber Jill say to Guts spare her and he did then some bastard apear and Guts flee the scene then Roshinu go to her home but there parents are dead after that she must have gone to the elf land she have wings to travel to that place.Guts never spared Roshinu. If the knights didn't appear, he would have sliced Roshinu in half along with Jill.

After that, Roshinu was bleeding and didn't regenerate at all (didn't even regenerate from the cannonshot in the stomach earlier). There's no way she could have had the stamina to fly across the world to get to Skellig Island. She's dead. Period.

And she was never an elf to begin with anyway.

I hope the hot 5 hand woman apear to Guts in this arc i remeber she fall in love for him and say that she will return just to see him all Guts need to do to call her is going alone in Berserk mode or have alot sex in some party but this is not Guts way. Well in the hand 5 she is the only one that i care made of win the others are just Guts hype to kill the Griffith and if Guts became a demon i belive she is going to be his master because Guts Behelit is one of her ex-apostle.If you're talking about Slan, she doesn't love Guts at all (you got one hell of a weird interpretation, you know?). The relationship is the same as a bad girl who watches a dog trying to crawl out of a swamp and likes to toy with the poor dog by sticking a branch out there and poke the dog.

And the God Hands are the masters of the Apostles. Even if Guts became a demon because of the armor, he's not an Apostle. No reason why Slan would become his master (again, what weird assumptions...)
If you are talking about Guts becoming a demon through the Behelith, how is it going to happen? You think he will sacrifice Casca to become an Apostle in front of the guys Guts is only living for getting a chance to kill?

SigbinPuti™

10-28-2007, 06:17 AM

slan just lust for gutts rage and hatred

Zephos

10-28-2007, 06:25 AM

Shre is nor dead remeber Jill say to Guts spare her and he did then some bastard apear and Guts flee the scene then Roshinu go to her home but there parents are dead after that she must have gone to the elf land she have wings to travel to that place.

She was mortally wounded and died in midair, she crshed to the ground.
If she had gone to her parents house she would have gone to the village she had attacked. She knew where her parents were, she friggin sacrificed them to become a demon.
She also has no fucking idea where Skellig is, as she isn't an elf.

I hope the hot 5 hand woman apear to Guts in this arc i remeber she fall in love for him a

She didn't fall in love with him...
She represents lust as a diety, she just gets her ahnds all over Gutts because thats her nature.

nd say that she will return just to see him all Guts need to do to call her is going alone in Berserk mode or have alot sex in some party but this is not Guts way.

(jesus) She didnt say that. She taunted Gutts about using the Behelit he has to become a demon.

Well in the hand 5 she is the only one that i care made of win the others are just Guts hype to kill the Griffith and if Guts became a demon i belive she is going to be his master because Guts Behelit is one of her ex-apostle.

No its fucking not. Not only do the Godhand not own any particular apostles. But his Behelit was the Counts, and I have no idea how you would construe a special relation between the Count and Slan.

STOP POSTING.
Until..
1. You learn to type.
2. You read Berserk again
3. and CAREFULLY

jesus

Zephos

10-28-2007, 06:32 AM

she didn't die on screen you know...

See that at the bottom?
http://groups.msn.com/BerserkManga/volumes.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=3409

Thats her.

This isn't One Piece.

Yoburi

10-28-2007, 09:26 AM

She didn't fall in love with him...
She represents lust as a diety, she just gets her ahnds all over Gutts because thats her nature.

(jesus) She didnt say that. She taunted Gutts about using the Behelit he has to become a demon.

No its fucking not. Not only do the Godhand not own any particular apostles. But his Behelit was the Counts, and I have no idea how you would construe a special relation between the Count and Slan.

STOP POSTING.
Until..
1. You learn to type.
2. You read Berserk again
3. and CAREFULLY

jesus

Man i know she didnt say how to invoke her but in Berserk she appear just 3 times in Griffith reborn, in some party when people have sex and when Guts start his massacre.

Oh and about the Behelit just look at Zood the guy is a apostle so why the white hawk have to cut one of his Horns to make him his slave AND almost all apostles from the neo band of Hawk recognize Guts from the banquet as a sacrifice and others don't like emperor of kushan and he don't care about the God Hand at all so i suppose that each God hand have their own apostle in each banquet and after this they are free to do what they want but even so they have a special relation and since Guts behelit call Slan i suppose he was in her banquet AND i 100% sure he was not in Griffith banquet.

So in case if Guts use the Behelit his master is going to be Slan but he have free choice after the sacrifice to do what he whants just like Zood.

Oh and about Slan love she just say that she whant to meet the boy and she don't care about the others 4 godhands and she love his hate, pain and fear, she is interested in Guts for a reason if is not love in some demonic way then i dont know why after all she is a God and she is not like Griffith that only care about rule the word.

Zephos

10-28-2007, 09:41 AM

Man i know she didnt say how to invoke her but in Berserk she appear just 3 times in Griffith reborn, in some party when people have sex and when Guts start his massacre.

And your point?

Oh and about the Behelit just look at Zood the guy is a apostle so why the white hawk have to cut one of his Horns to make him his slave

Slave?
Griffith cut off Zodd's horn because Zodd is a battle junky. Grif beat Zodd in the dream. Zodd only follows him beacause Zodd respects people who are strong.

AND almost all apostles from the neo band of Hawk recognize Guts from the banquet as a sacrifice and others don't like emperor of kushan and he don't care about the God Hand at all so i suppose that each God hand have their own apostle in each banquet and after this they are free to do what they want but even so they have a special relation

There is absolutely nothing whatsoever suggesting that.
ALL apostles are supposed to go to Eclipse ceremonies.
Not just specific ones.
Only Grunbeld recognized Gutts. Locus, Irvine, and Rakshas havn't.
Stop wildly speculating.

and since Guts behelit call Slan i suppose he was in her banquet AND i 100% sure he was not in Griffith banquet.

ugh...
Gutt's behelit didn't call Slan.
She came on her own.
Just like Conrad did in Vol.17 as a pile of rats.
The behelit was acting wierd because she came. Not the other way around.

So in case if Guts use the Behelit his master is going to be Slan but he have free choice after the sacrifice to do what he whants just like Zood.

ALL apostles are supposed to do whatever they want. Wyald himself said that.

Oh and about Slan love she just say that she whant to meet the boy and she don't care about the others 4 godhands and she love his hate, pain and fear, she is interested in Guts for a reason if is not love in some demonic way then i dont know why after all she is a God and she is not like Griffith that only care about rule the word.

She is lust.
Gutts is an attractive man.
Its absolutley as simple as that.

Nor did she say she didn't care about the others either.

And guess who else talks about wanting his hate pain and fear, every evil spirit Gutts has fought. It has nothing to do with her loving him.
She's just a sexually-sadistic demi-god doing what she does best.
Seriosuly, she was going to kill him than and there.

Jesus man.

Yoburi

10-28-2007, 10:31 AM

She is lust.
Gutts is an attractive man.
Its absolutley as simple as that.

Nor did she say she didn't care about the others either.

And guess who else talks about wanting his hate pain and fear, every evil spirit Gutts has fought. It has nothing to do with her loving him.
She's just a sexually-sadistic demi-god doing what she does best.
Seriosuly, she was going to kill him than and there.

Jesus man.

No if Slan whant Gutts dead after destroy Gotto armor he was like naked in front of her, she was just teasing him and her twister pleasure is over in case he die this is the difference between her and every evil spirit.

Man she care about Gutts just like Zood even him became member of the neo band of hawk when Gutts meet him the 3 times Zood could kill him especially in the last meet they are enemies but they have a soft spot and i can tell Gutts don't really hate Zood or even Slan after the troll arc he have his small revenge on her maybe they are even.

SigbinPuti™

10-28-2007, 11:11 AM

slan is just fattening gutts up increasing his anger and rage by taunting him. slan sees gutts as her toy like a cat to a mouse.

Segan

10-28-2007, 11:11 AM

Yoburi, Slan toyed around with Guts, that's why Guts didn't die...

Zephos

10-28-2007, 11:24 AM

No if Slan whant Gutts dead after destroy Gotto armor he was like naked in front of her, she was just teasing him and her twister pleasure is over in case he die this is the difference between her and every evil spirit.

And you think after she was done playing with him she would have let him go?

Man she care about Gutts just like Zood even him became member of the neo band of hawk

You have a very loose defenition of care.
Zodd respects Gutts as a warrior.
Slan just finds Gutts sexually fascinating.

Your interpreting sexually predatory behavior as love/caring. And theres really something wrong with that.

when Gutts meet him the 3 times Zood could kill him especially in the last meet they are enemies but they have a soft spot and i can tell Gutts don't really hate Zood

From what?

or even Slan

Are you kidding me??
If theres a thing he wants to kill one little bit less than Griffith its the Godhand. He despises her with all his being.

after the troll arc he have his small revenge on her maybe they are even.

Even??
Dude she gave him a self opening critical magic wound, and he didn't enact any revenge on her at all.
He wants to KILL THEM. Not hurt them in a meaningless corporael form once or twice.
The hell are you getting any of this from.

Sess

10-30-2007, 08:34 PM

Sex parties rule!

Yakuza

10-30-2007, 08:35 PM

When is the next chapter coming out?

Lazlow

10-30-2007, 08:46 PM

When is the next chapter coming out?

November 11. Can't wait until then.

Yakuza

10-30-2007, 08:48 PM

I know....
I only catched up to the recent chapter last week...

AbnormallyNormal

10-31-2007, 12:22 AM

i just hope griffith kills ganishka quick and whatever, becomes the king of midland. because we all know that will happen so why drag it out past 1 chap

Yakuza

10-31-2007, 12:25 AM

it'll take at least 5/10 chapters for griffith to kill ganishka

AbnormallyNormal

10-31-2007, 12:41 AM

omg that will be like an entire year then holy shit this sucks

Yakuza

10-31-2007, 12:44 AM

but its going to be like that...
it always is...

thats why its been going for 15 years :lmao

Zephos

10-31-2007, 02:15 PM

i just hope griffith kills ganishka quick and whatever, becomes the king of midland. because we all know that will happen so why drag it out past 1 chap

Thats stupid.
Why have a series at all if you just want to get to the conclusion of events.
Seriously, thats the whole point of stories.
This isn't a news blotter.

Segan

10-31-2007, 03:08 PM

Yup, yup, what Zephos said.

And frankly, while I don't like Griffith personally, I'm always anticipating his next moves. Saying that it sucks, is a bit of a retarded comment, since the plot wouldn't be as good without Griffith in there. But of course, no one of you complaining guys will realize that...

yo586

10-31-2007, 04:21 PM

I have a hard time deciding whether or not I prefer Griffith or Gutts story line. Griffith enthralls me and the story wouldn't be the same without him. I'm just hoping Ganishka pushes him to transform or at least break a sweat. I don't want Gutts (in the future) and Skull Night to be the only two with a chance at giving the godhand issues.

PS - Segan I took that quiz and I'm red. Looks like I'm your enemy (although you aren't mine).

AbnormallyNormal

10-31-2007, 10:26 PM

Thats stupid.
Why have a series at all if you just want to get to the conclusion of events.
Seriously, thats the whole point of stories.
This isn't a news blotter.

well in a good story there are surprises though. certain events that can be pretty easily foreseen should be quickly done in a story

Zephos

10-31-2007, 10:40 PM

well in a good story there are surprises though. certain events that can be pretty easily foreseen should be quickly done in a story

Why? By this logic shouldn't Griffith have won the war right off the bat instead of it going on since Vol.21?

AbnormallyNormal

10-31-2007, 11:12 PM

Why? By this logic shouldn't Griffith have won the war right off the bat instead of it going on since Vol.21?

no because at first ganishka seemed capable of being a real threat to griffith or at least substantially slowing him down. but it seems like every "fight" griffith uber-pwnz ganishka's forces. so he looks like shit now, and the 'epic confrontation' seems completely a foregone conclusion

Zephos

10-31-2007, 11:16 PM

no because at first ganishka seemed capable of being a real threat to griffith or at least substantially slowing him down. but it seems like every "fight" griffith uber-pwnz ganishka's forces. so he looks like shit now, and the 'epic confrontation' seems completely a foregone conclusion

It always was, really why would we doubt Griffith could lose or even be challenged.
He's a Godhand member. Ganishka has only ever been delusional servant.

I think youv'e been missing the point of Griffith's war on the Kushan.
Which has everything to do with glossing over a forgone conclusion.

Segan

11-01-2007, 02:57 PM

Don't write Ganishka off yet. It's true, at first, his boasting made him look, like he COULD be a challenge, even when everyone with a brain would know that a member of the God Hand has no real opposition to be wary of in the real world, and Ganishka shouldn't be an exception either.

But I'm thinking, that Ganishka didn't declare war on Griffith so much out of self-confidence, but rather out of the assumption that even as a God, the power of Griffith should be limited because of his flesh host and the fact that the world isn't limitless, hence everything that operates within the realms of the material world, has it's limits.

It's no coincidence that every time the God Hands show up, it happens outside the corporeal world.

Taleran

11-01-2007, 04:49 PM

someone came back

http://youtube.com/watch?v=td0Xq2WyJRo

25 Episodes or BUST!

yo586

11-02-2007, 02:59 AM

But I'm thinking, that Ganishka didn't declare war on Griffith so much out of self-confidence, but rather out of the assumption that even as a God, the power of Griffith should be limited because of his flesh host and the fact that the world isn't limitless, hence everything that operates within the realms of the material world, has it's limits.

Ganishka was delusional that his superior numbers and legendary army were enough to stop the small band of the hawk from getting anywhere. As soon as he saw Griffith, he changed his tune real quick and was as scared as they come.

Griffith may have his limits in the material world, but they are moot seeing how it seems he can alter events, changing the direction of arrows and creating (or excellently timing) a gust of wind to cripple Ganishka.

Unless Ganishka has something up his sleeve waiting for Griffith on his home turf, the battle will be a slaughter. Especially considering Griffith won't care too much to transform if no normal Midlanders are around to watch it.

cha-uzu

11-02-2007, 02:27 PM

Segan

11-02-2007, 02:49 PM

Ganishka was delusional that his superior numbers and legendary army were enough to stop the small band of the hawk from getting anywhere. As soon as he saw Griffith, he changed his tune real quick and was as scared as they come.

Griffith may have his limits in the material world, but they are moot seeing how it seems he can alter events, changing the direction of arrows and creating (or excellently timing) a gust of wind to cripple Ganishka.

Unless Ganishka has something up his sleeve waiting for Griffith on his home turf, the battle will be a slaughter. Especially considering Griffith won't care too much to transform if no normal Midlanders are around to watch it.Obviously Ganishka underestimated Griffith and overestimated the forces at his own disposal. That I won't argue.

But I don't think that Miura will let Griffith roll all over Ganishka just like that. After all, Skull Knight implied that the magicians of this world are the only forces that could potentially oppose Griffith. And as far as we know, Ganishka is a magic user, too.

It's unlikely that we will see a substantial reckoning from Ganishka, but until it happens, I wouldn't write him off just yet.

Muk

11-02-2007, 06:56 PM

i really think ganishka's initial force was ment to annihilate just the forces of the human alliance

he may have not included griffion in his plan and didn't expect an attack from the cliff

also i believe apostales alone are no match against ganishka, he toasts them for breakfast

it was really after ganishka was hit by the combo of gutts & zodd that he returned to his human form and griffon attackeed

yo586

11-02-2007, 07:05 PM

Well Griffth doesn't have a normal army. its full of apostles.

He has normal people in his army. Practically all of midland travels with him.

Obviously Ganishka underestimated Griffith and overestimated the forces at his own disposal. That I won't argue.

But I don't think that Miura will let Griffith roll all over Ganishka just like that. After all, Skull Knight implied that the magicians of this world are the only forces that could potentially oppose Griffith. And as far as we know, Ganishka is a magic user, too.

It's unlikely that we will see a substantial reckoning from Ganishka, but until it happens, I wouldn't write him off just yet.

I'd say for sake of story purposes, I think Ganishka will have to put up a fight (or make it look like that). But, in the end, Griffith will look like he had it all planned out and there was no hope. That is the idea of his character that keeps being shown to us.

it was really after ganishka was hit by the combo of gutts & zodd that he returned to his human form and griffon attackeed

The incident of gutts and zodd had nothing to do with Griffith's destruction of Ganishka.

AbnormallyNormal

11-02-2007, 11:54 PM

i *hope* ganishka kills several neo-band of the hawk members. obviously he probably wont even do damage to griffith, but if he can at least murder that one lancer dude i'd be happy, and the bow and arrow dude too

Shikashi

11-03-2007, 10:30 AM

Hmm, Guts had a rough time without the Berserker Armor, I doubt Ganishka will be more succeseful against the Apostles. His bound to kill a few hundred demon soldiers though.

Segan

11-03-2007, 10:32 AM

Ganishka fried Apostles with ease, and Zodd wasn't able to get a shot at him until Guts rode him...

Ganishka is easily the most powerful Apostle we've seen so far.

Shikashi

11-03-2007, 10:39 AM

Can he handle them off all at the same time? Anyway, forget what I said, I mistook Ganishka for someone else.

Segan

11-03-2007, 11:13 AM

Can he handle them off all at the same time? Anyway, forget what I said, I mistook Ganishka for someone else.Probably.

He was owning the shit out of every single out of the dozens Apostles in the havens of Vritannis. The exact same would have happened if all of the Apostles had gathered around Ganishka.

Shikashi

11-03-2007, 11:21 AM

Yeah, yeah. Now I remember. Believe it or not I was mistaking him for that Arabic guy who fought Guts and used some kind of fishing rope to cut trough skin or something. That's why I doubted he could hand any apostle at all.

Segan

11-03-2007, 11:46 AM

You're talking about Silatt. It wasn't a fishing rope, it was a weapon with whip-like blades of several meters length. There were five blades to each hilt.

And Silat would not be able to handle any Apostle of considerable mass and weight. Maybe the four Tapasa could stand up for a few minutes against a single average Apostle, but that's about it. They are not even near the league of Guts, save for their purely physical strength.

AbnormallyNormal

11-03-2007, 03:06 PM

ganishka is definitely the most powerful apostle of all time

Muk

11-03-2007, 03:36 PM

is he an apostle? i thought he was some kind of magician that went up the whaoosy and got some crazy power or something

piccun²

11-03-2007, 03:42 PM

is he an apostle? i thought he was some kind of magician that went up the whaoosy and got some crazy power or something

He is both

Muk

11-03-2007, 03:45 PM

wow he some fucked up crazy human than...

not only is he magician but apostle too

no wonder he could command such a vast army and challenge even zodd with ease

too bad his regular army got just pierced through by apostle knights

i do think though that the zodd gutts combo gave the knights an edge at ambushing him

cause if they didn't had forced him into returning to human form he'd had zapped those little knights to steak while they tried charging at him

and griffith could probably do very little to save his knights/hawks

Shikashi

11-03-2007, 07:54 PM

Zephos

11-03-2007, 07:57 PM

Info on the new chapter is out at SkullKnight.net.

It is indeed focused on Griffith again, its called "Precognitive Dream".

Segan

11-04-2007, 05:36 AM

On a completely different subject, and this has been bugging me for a while, suppose all goes as planned, they go to Elf King, bla, bla, bla. Caska gets her memories back... then what?!

(No idea if this has been discussed, probably has, but it's hard to go trough 122 pages of opinions/info)Somehow I doubt that Casca will get her memories back. It has been heavily implied by Skull Knight at the coast near Vritannis and by Guts, when he realized, that even when he tried to stick together lost pieces, it doesn't mean things will go back to old days.

Info on the new chapter is out at SkullKnight.net.

It is indeed focused on Griffith again, its called "Precognitive Dream".I'm gonna check it out.

Edit: I got the preview pic *yay*http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1908/07v22mf7.jpg

Muk

11-04-2007, 07:31 AM

precognitive dream ... another one of those "fate" themes ... maybe griffith is the "fate" side while gutts goes with the "freedom of will" side

even if caska recovers her memories the shock maybe quite heavy and it'll have taken it's toll on her mind

AbnormallyNormal

11-04-2007, 08:41 PM

i think if casca does get her memories restored she might not want to kill griffith with gutts at all, she might just prefer to hang out with thieir evil son

Segan

11-05-2007, 03:16 PM

i think if casca does get her memories restored she might not want to kill griffith with gutts at all, she might just prefer to hang out with thieir evil sonYou do realize that the "evil son" you're speaking of, is Guts' child tainted with Femto's essence? In other words, the current body host of Griffith? Or to be simple, that you're referring to Griffith?

And I'm having a hard time imagining a sane Casca "hanging out" with someone whose presence alone would make you bleed the fuck out of yourself...

Majeh

11-05-2007, 05:17 PM

can any1 tell me how many subbed chapters r out..?

Zephos

11-05-2007, 05:20 PM

can any1 tell me how many subbed chapters r out..?

Chapters aren't subbed, thier translated.
And every chapter that exists has been translated.
As it will always be.

Majeh

11-05-2007, 05:27 PM

Chapters aren't subbed, thier translated.
And every chapter that exists has been translated.
As it will always be.

i meant scanlated but how many chapters r there then..?

Elijah Snow

11-05-2007, 05:53 PM

Zephos has already answered your question.

Zephos

11-05-2007, 06:02 PM

i meant scanlated but how many chapters r there then..?

32 volumes and 290 chapters (not counting the first 16 chapters).

SigbinPuti™

11-06-2007, 12:26 AM

why did the focus have to shift to griffith :twitch

AbnormallyNormal

11-06-2007, 01:17 AM

You do realize that the "evil son" you're speaking of, is Guts' child tainted with Femto's essence? In other words, the current body host of Griffith? Or to be simple, that you're referring to Griffith?

And I'm having a hard time imagining a sane Casca "hanging out" with someone whose presence alone would make you bleed the fuck out of yourself...

what about that weird black haired boy they met at that beach though?

Lusankya

11-06-2007, 02:19 AM

what about that weird black haired boy they met at that beach though?

Thats what we all want to know.

Yoburi

11-06-2007, 05:36 PM

what about that weird black haired boy they met at that beach though?

Maybe she have twins and after Guts leave the other born... oh well the boy look alot like Casca and he likes Guts hard to belive it's just some random kid.:nod

Oh can someone tell me what hapend to Luka she was so cool and brave did she apear after the Griffth return arc?:huh

Zephos

11-06-2007, 05:38 PM

Maybe she have twins and after Guts leave the other born...

How does someone give birth to one twin and than another later??

Oh can someone tell me what hapend to Luka she was so cool and brave did she apear after the Griffth return arc?:huh

No.

piccun²

11-06-2007, 05:58 PM

what about that weird black haired boy they met at that beach though?

He is their son, Caska realized that immediately.
He appeared before when he was deformed, and will keep appearing now that he is "normal"

I have 2 theories on the thing.

- That Bejelit man could make wishes come true. He wished to become a "real boy"

That's the one a consider most likely to be true
- Griffith said he used him as a host/medium(I don't remember exactly what) to be reincarnated as a living human, and in another instance, he said that he could fell their child emotions. My guess would be thatGriffith actually took their child's body, and in that situation he turned into their son, or something similar happened. I believe he will have a major role into defeating Griffith and the Godhands.

Zephos

11-06-2007, 08:57 PM

He is their son, Caska realized that immediately.
He appeared before when he was deformed, and will keep appearing now that he is "normal"

I have 2 theories on the thing.

- That Bejelit man could make wishes come true. He wished to become a "real boy"

That's the one a consider most likely to be true
- Griffith said he used him as a host/medium(I don't remember exactly what) to be reincarnated as a living human, and in another instance, he said that he could fell their child emotions. My guess would be thatGriffith actually took their child's body, and in that situation he turned into their son, or something similar happened. I believe he will have a major role into defeating Griffith and the Godhands.

So......you skimmed the Albion arc?

Because alot of what you said makes absolutley no sense.

yo586

11-06-2007, 10:00 PM

Griffith took the body of Gutts and Caska's son, not the spirit. I'm guessing somehow the kid at the beach is the spirit manisfestation of their son, separated somehow from the physical form Griffith has.

Taleran

11-08-2007, 09:04 PM

Chapter RAW is out

this months chapter brought to you by Secret Meetings

AbnormallyNormal

11-09-2007, 12:26 AM

ok plz post a link 4 download sir

Mat®icha

11-09-2007, 01:39 AM

ok plz post a link 4 download sir

here u go

http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21130

Segan

11-09-2007, 03:23 PM

Shikashi

11-09-2007, 06:02 PM

Damn, I can't do anything else but enjoy the art. It only pen on paper, but Miura does it really good. You can feel that he hasn't lost his touch yet, despite having worked on Berserk for nearly two decades.
I don't think he'll ever lose it. I'm pretty much like you, can't do shit except look at the great art. For the love of God Evil_Genius, hurry up.

Taleran

11-10-2007, 10:59 PM

*cues Forces*

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fMZHkRY69yI

In the next episode I'm gonna nail her daughter

'REDHAIRED' SHANKS

11-11-2007, 07:52 AM

The hq raw is out ..... any speculations on whats happening ??

And yeah, Kentaro Miyura is one of the best mangaka around. His artwork just about owns everyone :P

Morpheus

11-11-2007, 08:46 AM

*cues Forces*

fMZHkRY69yI

In the next episode I'm gonna nail her daughter

Absolute win :lmao

I'm at chapter 252 currently, only 2 volumes of JJBA to finish Part 5 then i will finish Berserk.

Muk

11-11-2007, 10:23 AM

did eg release their scanlation yet?

'REDHAIRED' SHANKS

11-11-2007, 12:26 PM

Nope, no scans yet :(

Mat®icha

11-11-2007, 05:47 PM

it was nice, not good but nice. i guess we wont see gutt&co for a while:(

AbnormallyNormal

11-11-2007, 11:39 PM

just more build up to the final clash, along with yet more ominous warnings of the "new dawn" to come

Munken

11-12-2007, 06:32 AM

ch 291 by Franky House (http://www.franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1000)

Zephos

11-12-2007, 10:16 AM

ch 291 by Franky House (http://www.franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1000)

What a shit translation...
I'm still gonna wait for Evil Genius.

'REDHAIRED' SHANKS

11-12-2007, 12:40 PM

the translation could have been better honestly. But we atleast know whats going on ....

Segan

11-12-2007, 02:39 PM

Obviously Franky House is meant for speedy releases, not qualitative ones.

Muk

11-12-2007, 04:00 PM

can we agree to not bash down translations ....

i mean come on... that's their first berserk release ...

Segan

11-12-2007, 04:11 PM

No, it's not their first release.

Muk

11-12-2007, 04:14 PM

oh it isn't oh well,

still don't bash translations

you can say it's bad and has mistakes but you really should bash it and call it "shitty"

it just ain't cool

Elijah Snow

11-12-2007, 04:49 PM

I always wait for Evil Genius anyway, hopefully they'll release the new chapter soon as well as Zetman Vol.8

Muk

11-13-2007, 12:20 PM

..... ok what ever i said about the anime .... i am taking it back ... let's say almost all of it ...

geez rewatching it after such a long time ... i miss all the gore and blood and the beautiful stances gutts had in the manga ....

how could they reuse scenes .... where are the close ups where's all the blood

Zephos

11-13-2007, 02:05 PM

oh it isn't oh well,

still don't bash translations

you can say it's bad and has mistakes but you really should bash it and call it "shitty"

it just ain't cool

I'll bash what I damn well please.

Shikashi

11-13-2007, 02:51 PM

It's not cool in the sense that it's free, doesn't mean he can't say that the guys sucked or whatever.

Screw that, when the Hell is the Chapter getting released?

Segan

11-13-2007, 02:54 PM

You all gave your share of opinion about FH's translations. Leave it be.

And just as I suspected, the Apostles (Griffith even more so) are not thinking of Ganishka as more than a tiny pebble on the big road they are walking on. Though, a lot of them died because of that "pebble" xD

SigbinPuti™

11-14-2007, 01:15 AM

i hope ganishka take a couple of apostles with him when he goes down. griffith side is just overwhelming. maybe he still has a trump card under his sleeve. :nod

AbnormallyNormal

11-14-2007, 01:16 AM

i certainly hope ganish has SOMETHING planned, otherwise this would be a retarded waste of chapters

Segan

11-14-2007, 03:17 PM

I do hope Ganishka will be able to do something. Though, it seems, that Ganishka is overwhelmingly disadvantaged despite the fact that he's got the supposedly biggest army of the world.

Blaze of Glory

11-14-2007, 04:46 PM

Griffith lucky he get's to his those drawz again now that he's marrying Princess Charlotte.

Muk

11-14-2007, 09:45 PM

yeah i really hope ganishka takes out at least over half of griffith's army

otherwise there is no point in these chapters at all

Yakuza

11-16-2007, 08:53 AM

I just read the new chapter...

its just so fouking amazing... the amount of effor he puts on the drawing is awsome

http://manga.mangavolume.com/Manga/Berserk/Berserk%20291/berserk_c291_021.jpg
when I get my graphic tablet im colouring this... looks badass

Sess

11-18-2007, 05:41 AM

You all gave your share of opinion about FH's translations. Leave it be.*snickers*

someone came back
td0Xq2WyJRo
25 Episodes or BUST!Suck my balls infinity plus one! :D

I just read the new chapter...

its just so fouking amazing... the amount of effor he puts on the drawing is awsome

http://manga.mangavolume.com/Manga/Berserk/Berserk%20291/berserk_c291_021.jpg
when I get my graphic tablet im colouring this... looks badassUnbanned again, RP! *cheers*

Anyway, I'm back! Where was I? Well I could not possibly visit this thread while a RAW and translations are circulating and Evil_Genius is still working on their scanlation! However now that it's out and I've read it, it is safe once again.

So yeah, great chapter. Way better than I thought it was going to be. It had a strong biblical feel to it. I get the feeling that the tenth plague is heading for Windham! I'm very excited! :)

Segan

11-18-2007, 06:28 AM

Locus' speech only confirmed what I suspected. In the past, there have been people arguing, that, while Griffith did "bad" things to Guts, Casca and the original Hawks, he's not so bad as he is trying to defeat the Kushans and thus bringing peace to Midland. And once I even thought, Griffith would be satisfied with getting Midland's kingship.

And yet, Locus clearly implied, that Griffith will not stop at Midland. I now wonder, how long Griffith will uphold his shiny appearance till he's fullfilling the prophecy of bringing the age of darkness.

Unless the age of darkness was only referring to the two years after the eclipse, but that...meh, it would be a letdown.