LMasHTournament: EvilMoogle VS. mystictrunks

[Keollyn]

For a compiled list of the teams, click here (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=6922985&postcount=184)

First Round, Match 1.

Standard match rules

PIS off
CIS on (In Character)
Bloodlust off. Albeit, characters are out to win.
No ring outs
Knock out or fatality




Team Random Destruction
Ancient Slag Scaled Titanium Dragon (Garweeze Wurld/Hackmaster RPG)
Bale-Zur (From "Wizard's Bane" by Rick Cook)
Professor Xavier (Marvel 616, pre-House-of-M as depicted in Deadly Genesis flashbacks)
Moridin (From the series "Wheel of Time" by Robert Jordan)
Yuber (Suikoden Series)

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Team mystictrucks
Bass (assuming Rockman series)
MagnaAngemon (Digimon)
Lugia (Pokemon)
Rayquaza (Pokemon)
Akuma (Street Fighter)



Titanium Dragon vs Bass

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Bale-Zur vs Lugia

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Professor Xavier vs MagnaAngemon

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Moridin vs Rayquaza

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Yuber vs Akuma

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I'll keep the rules and regulations simple.


Bold the name of the person you know is the winner and leave a commentary (optional).
If you can't think of a winner, mainly because you don't know enough of the person, you can wait till the owners of the team provide info and feats, and/or their argument, before you supply yours.
This brings us to the team owners. They can cast a vote also, but if they do so, they need to bring firm reason as to why they think so. Unlike normal voters, they are subject to biased voting.
With that said, no bribing the members. If you're caught doing so, your team is automatically out.

[Vicious]

k, im just going to post some info for MagnaAngemon.
MagnaAngemon (http://wiki.digivice.net/index.php?title=MagnaAngemon)
MagnaAngemon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special%3ASearch?search=MagnaAngemon&go=Go)
I'll vote later, im busy>.>

[EvilMoogle]

As a preface, I'm not terribly familiar with any of mystictrunks' characters. As such it's hard for me to fairly that any of my characters would win. Based on my limited understanding I think all of them would win, I'll explain my reasoning in detail, but I'm not going to vote on any of them due to unfamiliarity. I will argue my case with people voting against me though :P

Titanium Dragon vs Bass
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As noted in the character description, the dragon has magics that give him a little over two minutes of "planning time" right at the start of the fight (he can't use offensive abilities during this time, or move, but he can cast divintaion spells to learn Bass' abilities).

Based on the results of this, he would learn that Bass is an android, I presume that he has metal components? If this is the case one 'white hot metal' spell later and Bass is fried. If he's silicon/ceramic based, one 'shatter' spell would end the fight. Either spell is undodgable and would cause sufficient damage to KO Bass.

If for some reason Bass is immune to both of these, the Dragon can breathe fire that can melt stone and control the direction of it with Fireflow or Pyrotechnics.
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Bale-Zur vs Lugia
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(A pokemon? Ugh). I don't know anything about Lugia, but I'm going to assume the following: He's vunerable to physical attacks and his attacks are physical/elemental/psychic in nature. If this is the case, Bale-zur wins eventually as he can hurt Lugia and Lugia cannot hurt him.
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Professor Xavier vs MagnaAngemon
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Professor Xavier has been shown to be able to telepathically affect machines (AI) with sufficiently advanced intellegance (see "Danger" amongst other AI villians). Unless MagnaAngemon has displayed a substantial resistance to mind control, I would argue that Xavier would win.

Obviously if MangaAngemon is resistant to telepathy enough to fend off Xavier's attack and still be able to move MangaAngemon would win.
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Moridin vs Rayquaza
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Ugh, more Pokemon. This would (IMO) come down to how much physical force Rayquaza can exert. If Moridin's flows of Air can hold Rayquaza down (or even slow Rayquaza down sufficiently) then Moridin can balefire him and win instantly.

If Rayquaza's strong enough Moridin can't hold him down and fast enough to dodge balefire Rayquaza will win.
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Yuber vs Akuma
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Yuber summons an army of monsters (ala S3)? Even if Akuma can beat all of the creatures he summons, it gives Yuber ample time to find a weakness in Akuma's defenses and strike. The one ability we know the 8-fold-rune has is a long range "sword" attack that can't be dodged (used in S3 by Yuber), it seems like eventually Akuma would slip up.
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[Keollyn]

Not a vote, but I give good odds of yuber beating Akuma (even if Gouki has proven to be physically stronger and has that deadly Shun Goku Satsu). Yuber's got WAY more experience than him, has taken heavy hits (True Lightning), and can revive/regen/restore (whatever) from paste. Then, as Moogle said, there's those summons and he can also teleport. He also can create dopplegangers.

[martryn]

Titanium Dragon vs Bass

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The dragon itself is a broken character. I don't see any way of Bass winning this.
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Bale-Zur vs Lugia

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I don't feel comfortable voting here since not enough info is really given on either. I'd like a little more info on Bale-Zur. If he's immune to everything, or what can actually damage him, or can he fly? That sort of thing. And all I know about Lugia is he attacks with air and water attacks and looks like a dragon.
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Professor Xavier vs MagnaAngemon

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I don't see why Prof. X can't use his telepathy or psychic powers or whatever against a Digimon. Digimon aren't really artificial intelligence the way we think of them. They have personalities and stuff, and feel pain, and the like, right? Prof. X mind rapes his way to victory.
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Moridin vs Rayquaza

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From what I've read, I don't see why sufficient blasts and power wouldn't be enough to kill Rayquaza. Moridin simply hits it with stuff until it dies. If it gets too close I don't see how balefire would miss. Again, not alot of info on the Pokemon.
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Yuber vs Akuma

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Comparing an RPG character to a Fighting Game character is rather silly. Akuma can teleport too with the Ashura Senkuu, can't he? I think if faced with an army of summoned creatures he'd just warp behind Yuber and hit him there. I don't know what Yuber can or can't do, really, but I do know that RPG characters are rather fickle in what they can or can't do. Hell, I don't have to justify my vote to anyone.
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[Keollyn]

Actually, Yuber's not stuck in just RPG. Suikoden has a manga. He has performed in the manga. Everything I've stated reflects his showings there.

[martryn]

Actually, Yuber's not stuck in just RPG. Suikoden has a manga. He has performed in the manga. Everything I've stated reflects his showings there.

Oh, didn't know about a manga. Maybe if someone would be kind enough to post some panels displaying his ability I'd change my mind. Everyone knows what Akuma is capable of (even me and I've not played Street Fighter), but all of Yuber I recognize is from Suikoden III, which I've not beat yet.

[Keollyn]

I don't have the volume where he actually fights. I've only glanced at it in the bookstore.

But, by all means, keep your vote the way it is. If you firmly believe that is who'll win, it isn't my job to persuade you.

[Timur Lane]

Titanium Dragon vs Bass

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The dragon is a little to powerful for Bass to handle, it wins quite easliy.

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Bale-Zur vs Lugia

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I dont have a clue.


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Professor Xavier vs MagnaAngemon

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MagnaAngemon has some nifty tricks (like that dimenson attack) but he havent any protection against telepathy.
Mindrape for the win.


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Moridin vs Rayquaza

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Moridin has enough firepower to take care of the Pokemon.
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Yuber vs Akuma

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Yuber has the advantage here, but in my eyes this battle could go any way considiring Akuma,s strenght and speed.
But i belivie that Yuber,s summons should take out Akuma in the end.

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Verdict: EvilMoogle is the winner.

[CrazyMoronX]

Do we just vote, or do they get to argue against the other player's points?

I was waiting to see at least a little battling go before voting. :wtf

[martryn]

But, by all means, keep your vote the way it is. If you firmly believe that is who'll win, it isn't my job to persuade you.

It's really my disdain for lack of info on the opponents. I read the popular stuff, I play some video games, I watch a smattering of anime here and there. If that isn't enough knowledge of the combatants, I'll check the posts you have up for the abilities of the guys. If that's lacking, I'll use Wikipedia. If I'm still not sure, I'll either not vote, or vote with my gut or with extreme prejudice.

Do we just vote, or do they get to argue against the other player's points?

I was waiting to see at least a little battling go before voting.

I'm all for changing my votes if someone can convince me to.

[mystictrunks]

Rayquaza Info: Able to calm any disturbance in nature(earthquakes,droughts,monsoons and so on)

Deafeated Deoxys twice(Deoxys is in the same power level as mew and mewtwo) He was injured before their first fight started

lugia is capable of tearing apart houses with flutters of its wings.

[EvilMoogle]

I don't feel comfortable voting here since not enough info is really given on either. I'd like a little more info on Bale-Zur. If he's immune to everything, or what can actually damage him, or can he fly? That sort of thing. And all I know about Lugia is he attacks with air and water attacks and looks like a dragon.

He can't fly, or at least he's never mentioned flying or having wings. Big claws and pointy teeth seem to be the limit of his offense. He is fast, he's able to kill Toth-Set-Rah before he can defend himself (Toth-Set-Rah was the leader of the "evil" wizards in the series).

For speed, this is the battle between Wiz and Atros (Atros was supposedly the second strongest "evil" wizard, behind Toth-Set-Rah):


Wiz hit Atros with everything but the kitchen sink. A hundred lightning bolts flashed towards him so fast that the corridor was lit by a constant blinding glare and the air reeked of ozone. The tunnel roof caved in with a roar and a huge cloud of dust. Thirty sharp knives flew at Atros from all directions. His bearskin tried to crawl off his back. A hurricane swept down the corridor blowing with a with a force no man could withstand.

Still Atros came on. The lightning struck all about him but never touched him. The falling rocks bounced off an invisible shield over his head. His skin garment convulsed and lay still. The wind did not move a hair on his head.


Atros was scared of facing Toth-Set-Ra, so presumably Toth-Set-Ra would be capable of the same sort of defense/offense.

Later in the series, Wiz (the protagonist) tricks a group of "evil" wizards into wandering into Bale-zur's path.


And into the square came the demon Bale-zur.

Normal mortals would have fled. But wizards need courage beyond ordanary men and women. Besides they new it would be futile to run.

A score of wizards threw back their sleeves and raised their staves almost in unison. Suddenly it was Hell out for the Fourth of July in the square.

Magics flashed and roared across the square. Spells crackled through the air to bounce off the demon like many-hued lightnings. Balls of green and purple and blinding white fire flew this way and that across the square.

None of it mattered. Bale-zur did not even flinch as he came across the marble flagging with a hopping toad-like gait.

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The last few wizards tried to run, but it made no difference. In spite of his clumsy gait Bale-zur was far faster than any human. Their screams mingled with the demon's roars as he crushed the life out of them.


What we can learn from this: Bale-zur is fairly fast (though probably not "fast" by this tournament's standard). He's fairly strong. He's immune to most magic (he actually is killed by fairly specific magic later, however I don't think that Lugia could accomplish this) and magically created forces (lightning, bludgening). He's not really a thinking creature, so he's immune to psionic efforts as well.

I think he should manage to win or stale-mate against most of the members of this tournament, but there are a handful that will win quite easily. I also think that I mentioned that people who are specifically hard to kill should be banned *shrug*.


Comparing an RPG character to a Fighting Game character is rather silly. Akuma can teleport too with the Ashura Senkuu, can't he? I think if faced with an army of summoned creatures he'd just warp behind Yuber and hit him there. I don't know what Yuber can or can't do, really, but I do know that RPG characters are rather fickle in what they can or can't do. Hell, I don't have to justify my vote to anyone.


I'm not familiar with the comic. I have played S3 all the way through. At several times during the game Yuber basically snaps his fingers and summons an army of monsters. He's also taken hits from True Lightning (debateably the strongest single-targeting spell rune in the universe). True Lightning does hurt Yuber, but Yuber survives it. He's also on the list of the strongest martial characters in the game (I'll let Keollyn debate where he belongs on the list), so even summoning aside I think he could give Akuma a fight.

With his summoning and other abilities it's just a matter of time before Yuber wins. In my very bias opinion ;)

[mystictrunks]

They are both also flyers. Lugia is able to survive the pressures of the deepest oceans,and calm/cause storms. Lugia is the guardian of the Legendary bird and because of this he's able to use there 3 elements(fire,thunder,and ice) to an equal or superior level as them. He's also a psychic.

[martryn]

Well, I'm almost leaning toward Logia now. I mean, if Bale-Zur can't fly, couldn't Logia just... blow him into an ocean or something? I don't know. I mean, I guess it's a stalemate.

[EvilMoogle]

Well, I'm almost leaning toward Logia now. I mean, if Bale-Zur can't fly, couldn't Logia just... blow him into an ocean or something? I don't know. I mean, I guess it's a stalemate.

Er, even assuming there's an ocean in the arena, why would that matter? It's not going to knock Bale-Zur out and he'll get back onto land eventually. Bale-Zur isn't human, he never tires, and he'll just keep coming at Logia until he can hit him.

Either Logia will eventually tire and have to land/sleep or he won't. In the former it's a win for Bale-Zur, in the latter it's a stalemate.

Hmm, do Pokemon die of old age?

[Jin22]

This is the only one I can answer.

Yuber vs Akuma

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I don't care who Yuber summons Akuma would be left with the choice of obliterating them all which he would probably choose to do, or he could just warp to Yuber's location and pull a Shungokusatsu. There's no way Yuber will survive a Raging Demon.
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[mystictrunks]

Er, even assuming there's an ocean in the arena, why would that matter? It's not going to knock Bale-Zur out and he'll get back onto land eventually. Bale-Zur isn't human, he never tires, and he'll just keep coming at Logia until he can hit him.

Either Logia will eventually tire and have to land/sleep or he won't. In the former it's a win for Bale-Zur, in the latter it's a stalemate.

Hmm, do Pokemon die of old age?


Legendary pokemon don't seem to die of old age. Mew,Rayquaza,celebi,Jirachi, and pretty much all the legendaries have been around for thousands of years. mew has been around since the begining of pokemon life. So I say they don't/

[mystictrunks]

Er, even assuming there's an ocean in the arena, why would that matter? It's not going to knock Bale-Zur out and he'll get back onto land eventually. Bale-Zur isn't human, he never tires, and he'll just keep coming at Logia until he can hit him.

Either Logia will eventually tire and have to land/sleep or he won't. In the former it's a win for Bale-Zur, in the latter it's a stalemate.

Hmm, do Pokemon die of old age?


Legendary pokemon don't seem to die of old age. Mew,Rayquaza,celebi,Jirachi, and pretty much all the legendaries have been around for thousands of years. mew has been around since the begining of pokemon life. So I say they don't/

[Birkin]

To see what Lugia can do, go watch the 2nd Pokemon movie, try to youtube it

[martryn]

Meh, I'll just keep it the way it is.

[Bolt Crank]

Titanium Dragon vs Bass

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TD wins.

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Bale-Zur vs Lugia

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Professor Xavier vs MagnaAngemon

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Prof X wins.

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Moridin vs Rayquaza

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No comment.

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Yuber vs Akuma

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Yuber wins. But which version? Videogame or Manga?

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[Keollyn]

The winner of this match is:

EvilMoogle with 10 votes.

Mystictrunks finishes with 2 votes.