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Kisame
02-27-2007, 11:47 PM
Narutoverse has the speed and variablity and power advantage in most circumstances.

How can Anyone beat the brokenness that is Hirashin?

Superrazien
02-28-2007, 12:17 AM
And Kabuto basically cut/slit Naruto's heart to the point it was beyond repair even for the best medic in the Narutoverse.


I forgot about that, and now that I think of it Tsuande can mess up the peoples motor functions pretty bad. Oh and dont forget Naruto survived getting piledriven straight into the ground off a high cliff at the valley of the end, his skull hit straight rock.

Limit_Tester
02-28-2007, 12:51 AM
I forgot about that, and now that I think of it Tsuande can mess up the peoples motor functions pretty bad. Oh and dont forget Naruto survived getting piledriven straight into the ground off a high cliff at the valley of the end, his skull hit straight rock.

Yeah that piledriver might have only been the anime but Naruto durability easily outclasses Avatarverse.

Giovanni Rild
02-28-2007, 01:01 AM
@Limit_Tester, Space: I already proven my point. You are the one's who are biased. When you said Aang got hit by a fireball, you shown that you didn't know shit.

He got hit by lightning, not a fire attack.

Also, your godly Avatar state takes time to activate, in which we saw Aang get knocked out by a simple fire attack by Azula. Hardly to praise about his durability, eh?


I did my job. Good day. None of you watch Avatar probably. Probably posted in the hate on American animation. You are uninformed. I proven it.

Comic Book Guy
02-28-2007, 01:04 AM
Be civil, everyone.

Limit_Tester
02-28-2007, 01:07 AM
@Limit_Tester, Space: I already proven my point. You are the one's who are biased. When you said Aang got hit by a fireball, you shown that you didn't know shit.

He got hit by lightning, not a fire attack.



I did my job. Good day. None of you watch Avatar probably. Probably posted in the hate on American animation. You are uninformed. I proven it.

Actually I believe there is an ongoing debate whether Azula uses blue fire or lightning. And I believe you of all people should know that I hold no bias for Naruto. I have watched every single episode of Avatar. Supposedly you have read up to the time skip in Naruto. That should be enough to tell you the outcome of this fight. Unfortunately, you have a raging hard-on for Avatar and the lack of blood flow to your brain has made you incapable of rational thought.

Giovanni Rild
02-28-2007, 01:07 AM
Be civil, everyone.

They are the ones that ignore whatever I post and mindlessly proclaim crap without proof.

You can't tack number on a person who don't have speed feats at all. It's just made-up crap then!!

I exposed em once. I can do it again.

Actually I believe there is an ongoing debate whether Azula uses blue fire or lightning. And I believe you of all people should know that I hold no bias for Naruto. I have watched every single episode of Avatar. Supposedly you have read up to the time skip in Naruto. That should be enough to tell you the outcome of this fight. Unfortunately, you have a raging hard-on for Avatar and the lack of blood flow to your brain has made you incapable of rational thought.

You are wrong. You claim that everybody in narutoverse. move at superhuman speed.

I say it is a lie because over half of them don't have speed feats.
I have fact, you have assumption.

And that was lightning she hit him with. You would know that if you watched.

Kai
02-28-2007, 01:14 AM
They are the ones that ignore whatever I post and mindlessly proclaim crap without proof.
You can't tack number on a person who don't have speed feats at all. It's just made-up crap then!!

I exposed em once. I can do it again.

Oh, why am I talking to a brick wall. I posted 3 scans, and you have not even attempted to give me a single hypothetical scenario where the Avatarverse could be victorious over the Narutoverse.

I present proof and scenarios to you, and instead you choose to once again nitpick and choose a sentence where I made a minor mistake and wrote a fire attack instead of lightning. For the love of my grandma, she's a firebender and she performs the fire arts, and the fact that you suddenly become ignorant from all my facts makes you a bit immature.

Giovanni Rild
02-28-2007, 01:22 AM
Oh, why am I talking to a brick wall. I posted 3 scans, and you have not even attempted to give me a single hypothetical scenario where the Avatarverse could be victorious over the Narutoverse.

I present proof and scenarios to you, and instead you choose to once again nitpick and choose a sentence where I made a minor mistake and wrote a fire attack instead of lightning. For the love of my grandma, she's a firebender and she performs the fire arts, and the fact that you suddenly become ignorant from all my facts makes you a bit immature.

I gave you scenarios. Other people gave you scenarios. You believe that everyone in Narutoverse is a speedster, which is false. You make it sound like the Ramen Girl is a speedster.

You believe 18 is powerful enough to take out Ba Sing Se with is false. The blast wasn't enough to take out the whole sand village. And The Sand Village is a mere ant in size compared to Ba Sing Se.

As for durability and jumping height, you need to watch avatar fights again. That wasn't human. Watch how far Azula leaps into the air and other parts of the fights.

Limit_Tester
02-28-2007, 01:27 AM
Holy shit Rild. Azula is one person. She is also one of the most powerful people in Avatarverse. She is basically the equivalent of Itachi in Naruto. Her speed feats are outdone by genins. And the literal definition of super-human speed is speed that cannot be obtained by a human. And that is exactly what every single ninja is capable of doing.

Giovanni Rild
02-28-2007, 01:32 AM
Holy shit Rild. Azula is one person. She is also one of the most powerful people in Avatarverse. She is basically the equivalent of Itachi in Naruto. Her speed feats are outdone by genins. And the literal definition of super-human speed is speed that cannot be obtained by a human. And that is exactly what every single ninja is capable of doing.

Not if they lack speed feats bub. Get that through your thick skull.

Kamen Rider Godzilla
02-28-2007, 01:40 AM
Not if they lack speed feats bub. Get that through your thick skull.

By that logic then you can only use benders shown thus far in the show, because no one else in Avatarverse has shown bending feats.

Kai
02-28-2007, 01:43 AM
I gave you scenarios. Other people gave you scenarios. You believe that everyone in Narutoverse is a speedster, which is false. You make it sound like the Ramen Girl is a speedster.
Need I remind you, that no you're not the oracle so stop putting words into my mouth. Anyways, the people in the Narutoverse have the capability to reach superhuman speeds if they worked towards it. Avatarverse, unfortunately, can not which is a severe disadvantage. Can you see that? Of course you can't, because you expect everyone in the Avatarverse to be at the standards as Avatar state Aang and Azula.

Did you bother to take a glimpse at the scan I recently posted? Fresh out of the academy 12 year olds in Naruto can speedblitz many people the Avatarverse has to offer.

You believe 18 is powerful enough to take out Ba Sing Se with is false. The blast wasn't enough to take out the whole sand village. And The Sand Village is a mere ant in size compared to Ba Sing Se.
Eh, how much #18 blows up means little to me. It's obvious it can strip away a good portion of Ba Sing Se, and that would be from the little amount of clay he had. If he brings a full load of clay and makes a gigantic #18, the Earth Kingdom will be a burial ground.

The blast wasn't enough to take out the whole sand village
..and where was this stated or even implied? Oh, and before you go off and reply, no assumptions, speculations, or biased opinions.

As for durability and jumping height, you need to watch avatar fights again. That wasn't human. Watch how far Azula leaps into the air and other parts of the fights.
A grasshopper can jump extraordinary heights. Oh lord the Narutoverse pales in comparison. I was wrong, You showed me the light of pure bias.

lol @ your earlier post about the Dai Li, a small group of people you imply as an army and Sokka being as smart as Shikamaru. I can't continue this nonsense, you nitpick which irritates me more than anything else you've done in this thread. Don't let fanboyism cloud your judgement.

Giovanni Rild
02-28-2007, 01:46 AM
By that logic then you can only use benders shown thus far in the show, because no one else in Avatarverse has shown bending feats.

Yes. I was only gonna do that in the first place. Grunts have feats. Firebender Soliders haver feats, Dai Li Have feats.

But named character that don't have speed feats. Oozai has no feats at all. It would be non-sense to assume what Oozai can do.

Jeong Jeong is a firebending master, but he didn't do crap for feats, I won't assume he can do whatever Iroh or Azula can do.

Kisame is worlds stronger than Zabuza, but I won't assume that Kisame can do all of Zubuza's water justus.

@ Spase: I posted Sokka prep feats. You probably didn't bother to read them. And who cares about potential, no feats = no go. You are the biased one.

Limit_Tester
02-28-2007, 01:52 AM
Jeong Jeong is a firebending master, but he didn't do crap for feats, I won't assume he can do whatever Iroh or Azula can do.


This just further proves my point. He is a fire-bending master but he doesn't have shit for feats. As for super human speed. How about the billion times ninjas are shown jumping through random forests?

Giovanni Rild
02-28-2007, 01:55 AM
This just further proves my point. He is a fire-bending master but he doesn't have shit for feats. As for super human speed. How about the billion times ninjas are shown jumping through random forests?

Point is? Something I'm missing? Ty Lee and Aang hop though trees all the time.

No speed feat = no speed. and that crap in inconsistent. How slow Naruto is.

Limit_Tester
02-28-2007, 02:08 AM
Yes. The main characters of Avatar are super-human. Pretty sure we established that 14 pages ago. Honestly, I don't have the patience to look up scans, especially when you already ignore the evidence posted already Must be that eye problem of yours. This will be my last post. Where is a naruto fanboy when you need one?

Giovanni Rild
02-28-2007, 02:14 AM
Yes. The main characters of Avatar are super-human. Pretty sure we established that 14 pages ago. Honestly, I don't have the patience to look up scans, especially when you already ignore the evidence posted already Must be that eye problem of yours. This will be my last post. Where is a naruto fanboy when you need one?

And you ignore everything that makes you wrong. I thought you said they were plain ole humans.

I take this as a victory. You have no answer for it. You just dodged and dodged.

You just assumed while I stomped those assumptions in the dirt.

Now walk away in defeat.

Chocochip
02-28-2007, 02:58 AM
^while aang adn saka and thme seem super human, they dont seeem anything drastically super human. i mean did you see the sword fight between jace and zaku?

let me also tel you why naruto is stronger. the avatar is based on elements. just pure elements. so water doesnt get stronger than it can get. neither does fire except for lighting, wind, or rock(metal if you want). this is about all you have in your arsenal to beat people with summons that are big as 1/10 of ba sing sei with a oil jutsu that can just be spat on on any fire nation person and then they cant bend. how about itachis MS fire. how to stop that. or how do you stop someone so fast that they can move fast enough to the point where you see multiples of them, like lee or even kakashi

what abou kagebushins? see narutos have regular elements, stronger elements(aka itachis black fire or the 3rds fire), summons, stronger taijutsu or punches and kicks(if you deny this you are stupid and go look up gai or even lee or and gennin), genjutsu, which inthis case donst work, i'll just say that just so you dont go all stupid, they have explosive tags, numbers of weapons they can throw at multiple time with out seeing and stiilll hit targets, they can go underground, they have puppets, they have people who can pick of big chouji, that insane strentgh of jiroubou and he was a onl a genin, they have people that control iron better than toff aka third kazekage, and they have other types of bushins that take almost no energy and it would ultimately fool someone form avatar verse, they have people liek kmimaro which would prolly kill at least 100+ people, too fast and agile for any of them. another thing, narutoverse ninjas are not only stronger and faster, they are more stealthy and have a better teamwork system. also their are more ninjas than benders in avatar. and fire benders are totally useless cause katon at close range never hits how the hell is a slower more predictable fire gonna hit whne the opponent knwos thats the only thing in your arsenal. waht stops anyone from like haku to just throwing a needle and it not working?



they also have a way stronger elemental person too..think of gaara, he is like even better at controling sand than that stupid girl that controls lighting, did you see desert avalanche? it would take about 50 earthbenders just to do that. and than he can do it all over again. any rocks thrown at him can just be crushed into sand in mid air. he can just drown them with avalanche. i mean, no matter waht you say, he can do it.

waht the hell do they have against sasoris puppets. they arent fast enough and dont have chiyo controlling them so they can dogde it liek sakura, then they all die. sasori himself can prolly take bansing sei. he tooka country after all, which was proly stronger than ba sing sei, i mean its big, but only the soldiers can earthbend.

and hidan, they are way to slow to ever chop any of him, and he just needs blood from them, elemental attacks like avatar are ueless against him, just like how kazuka(who by the way has a way stronger bigger elemental attack) shot him and it didnt matter. than he can just get peopls blod and kill them

itachi hmm would never be caught cause his eyes will predict avatars one direciton move, and he can just use any of his exploding kagebushins.

kisame>all water benders, he made a lake from spit. wtf does any water bender have on that. his sword will bop them, his taijutsu is greater than gaiso tats all there is needed

any genin or above can stand on water while only water benders can do that.
now any genin can sstand upside down walk up trees and be stealthy and just assassinate people. what stops that? seriously that taijutsu girl is a very sad version of neji, neji can totally kill her, he doesnt even need to touch people to attack them as shown when the jounin head master hyuuga clan guy killed 22 ninjas in one attack with around a 15 feet radius around all of them.


once again, any one like saaka or jace are useless, which means half the water tribe and anyone using weapons, and that kiyoki village or something with the chicks with fans.

deidara can just blow people up and no one can catch him from the skies. aang as if the explosion goes near aang , aang will still be affected


another thing. aang, lets take a good long thought. he onl mastered air, barely knows crap about fire, and is aan okay earth and pretty good water bender. if he fought kakuza, including all the hearts, he would die. kakuza has black fire and a each attack except the earth attack(which can only be hurt by lighting which was only shown by like 3 people) which gives him a unbreakable armor which means everyone would be uselss against him, and his attacks have an amazing range. now even if aang killed him once, he would sitll have to do it 4 more times. and i still see aand dieing first shot.

once aang goes avatar state, a big summon like manda or gamma can take care of that, or a hell swamp.

JARAIYA can also hell swamp people, i mean his drugged hell swamp can prolly take a 100+ people, now thing of undrugged hell swamp. the gooey thing is nt exactly water that can be bend and their hadn s would be stuck so they couldnt bend anyways.

shikamaru or any shadow person can use stuff with no elements thus giving an easy win.

what the hell would they do against chouji or choujis dad huh? die. there is nothing in their arsenal except avatar state that can hurt something that big.

also, did you not see the fire dragon the oakge shot ou his mouth. that was fricken crazy, wtf i never saw anyone do anythign that strong, not even the stupid lighitng girl. plus she doesnt control alot of it, its just conosidered strong, and i doesnt even kill you. kakshi cna cut her fricken lighitng and MS her back to wherever the hell she came from.

so all together basically ninjas are stronger faster steathier smarter plus their are more. wow...i won.

Kai
02-28-2007, 10:48 AM
@ Spase: I posted Sokka prep feats. You probably didn't bother to read them. And who cares about potential, no feats = no go. You are the biased one.

Thanks for nitpicking once again. I'm through with you.

Edit: But anyway, seeing how Tai Li rendered Sokka useless in about 5 seconds, a genin Neji could do the same thing. Sokka is useless in this fight.

Giovanni Rild
02-28-2007, 12:46 PM
Thanks for nitpicking once again. I'm through with you.

Edit: But anyway, seeing how Tai Li rendered Sokka useless in about 5 seconds, a genin Neji could do the same thing. Sokka is useless in this fight.

His brains, you fool. He can just sit back and use his brain. Man, you people are culeless

Superrazien
02-28-2007, 03:04 PM
Not if they lack speed feats bub. Get that through your thick skull.

Dumb statement, Ninjas are pretty much the villages army, there speed, strength, and skill feats have to be better than the average person or how the hell would they be any use?

Jin22
02-28-2007, 03:15 PM
I thought I was a little too adult for Nickelodeon, but Avatar is pretty sweet.

From what I've seen though I'd give the win to the Naruto Universe.

Finn Mac Cool
02-28-2007, 03:42 PM
As far as speed feats go, consider this: Sakura demonstrated superhuman speed during the Chuunin exams, but she has never once been commented on as being a fast character; she's considered to be a pretty weak ninja until Part 2, in fact. So, if Sakura can perform a substitution jutsu in the fraction of a second it takes a knife to travel through the air, but she's not considered anything special, then it can be inferred that she is, at most, only slightly faster then the average Genin. Meaning almost every character in the Narutoverse who has become a ninja has reaction time surpassing that of any Avatar character.

Giovanni Rild
02-28-2007, 06:12 PM
As far as speed feats go, consider this: Sakura demonstrated superhuman speed during the Chuunin exams, but she has never once been commented on as being a fast character; she's considered to be a pretty weak ninja until Part 2, in fact. So, if Sakura can perform a substitution jutsu in the fraction of a second it takes a knife to travel through the air, but she's not considered anything special, then it can be inferred that she is, at most, only slightly faster then the average Genin. Meaning almost every character in the Narutoverse who has become a ninja has reaction time surpassing that of any Avatar character.


Substitution is a ninja teleport with no justification. That's not speed

~Shin~
02-28-2007, 06:17 PM
Substitution is a ninja teleport with no justification. That's not speed

For the purposes of this battle, it can be used as "combat speed"

Giovanni Rild
02-28-2007, 06:19 PM
For the purposes of this battle, it can be used as "combat speed"

Ok then.:notrust

Endless Mike
03-01-2007, 12:30 AM
I'm talking about No-name characters. Are you accusing me of being biased?

Everyone is biased to some extent.

Kai
03-01-2007, 12:39 AM
His brains, you fool. He can just sit back and use his brain. Man, you people are culeless

The same brains that he was smart enough to drink cactus water that would make him horribly delirius? Or his huge weakness of girls? Or the times when all the misfortune happens to him for the comedy of the show?

Any genin can take Sokka, hes no Shika, any shinobi can see through all his obvious blunt traps, and a boomerang is his only friend.

Yeah, here comes your childish nitpicking once again. Provide actual arguments to your side instead of raising your post count by 1 every single time you post, Rild.

Giovanni Rild
03-01-2007, 05:36 AM
The same brains that he was smart enough to drink cactus water that would make him horribly delirius? Or his huge weakness of girls? Or the times when all the misfortune happens to him for the comedy of the show?

Any genin can take Sokka, hes no Shika, any shinobi can see through all his obvious blunt traps, and a boomerang is his only friend.

Yeah, here comes your childish nitpicking once again. Provide actual arguments to your side instead of raising your post count by 1 every single time you post, Rild.


He wasn't psychic. How was he supposed to know that that cactus was gonna make him hallucinate?

Shika would fell for the same damn thing, thirsty in a derset.

Any genin can take Sokka, hes no Shika, any shinobi can see through all his obvious blunt traps, and a boomerang is his only friend.

Another mistake I see. Like Avatar Aang being shot down with a little bit of fire. Sokka has more than a boomerang.

Shikamaru is nothing near perfect. Your post fails because you are misinformed.

I shot you down again.

Gunshin
03-01-2007, 08:00 AM
Not if they lack speed feats bub. Get that through your thick skull.
Ambush at the arena during the Chuunin Exams. Tons of Generic Shinobi are moving so fast that they are depicted as black blurs zipping through all corners of the arena.

Its really painfully obvious that normal Naruto characters are faster than Avatar regulars. Come on~ generic Naruto nins zip through trees and forrest like the wind... Avatar mains have trouble getting up trees (refer to Jet's hideout).

Giovanni Rild
03-01-2007, 02:32 PM
Ambush at the arena during the Chuunin Exams. Tons of Generic Shinobi are moving so fast that they are depicted as black blurs zipping through all corners of the arena.

Its really painfully obvious that normal Naruto characters are faster than Avatar regulars. Come on~ generic Naruto nins zip through trees and forrest like the wind... Avatar mains have trouble getting up trees (refer to Jet's hideout).

I highly doubt they were genin or chunin. They were probably all jounin

Superrazien
03-01-2007, 03:12 PM
Another mistake I see. Like Avatar Aang being shot down with a little bit of fire. Sokka has more than a boomerang.

Shikamaru is nothing near perfect. Your post fails because you are misinformed.

I shot you down again

Post proof of Sokka having and IQ of 200, Post Proof of him planning out an entire fight with about 2 or 300 so moves, Show proof of Sokka taking on a semi immortal who only needs a drop of your own blood to kill you, show him beating by himself just because of his planning.

Sorry I should be specific since he hasnt done anything like that, show something similar or greater than those feats by Shikamaru.

Finn Mac Cool
03-01-2007, 03:23 PM
As I said before, Sakura displayed superhuman reflexes, and her physical fighting abilities were considered, at best, slightly above average for a Genin, and quite possibly even average or sub-average. Therefore, when talking about random, nameless ninja, my rule of thumb is that, unless given a reason to think otherwise, assume their strength and speed are at least equal to pre-skip Sakura.

Kai
03-01-2007, 05:51 PM
He wasn't psychic. How was he supposed to know that that cactus was gonna make him hallucinate?

Shika would fell for the same damn thing, thirsty in a derset.
Please. Katara was even suspicious of the cactus and wouldn't drink water from it. Katara > Shikamaru now?


[COLOR="DarkOrchid"][FONT="Franklin Gothic Medium"]Another mistake I see. Like Avatar Aang being shot down with a little bit of fire. Sokka has more than a boomerang.
Shikamaru is nothing near perfect. Your post fails because you are misinformed.[/Quote]
Anyone can say that. You praise Sokka too highly, he isn't the elite strategist you make him out to be.

Shikamaru is on a whole other tier than Sokka, you can't compare between these two characters with the exception of hair.

I shot you down again.
You're shooting yourself in the foot by presenting arguments full of holes.

Giovanni Rild
03-01-2007, 05:58 PM
Please. Katara was even suspicious of the cactus and wouldn't drink water from it. Katara > Shikamaru now?


[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]Another mistake I see. Like Avatar Aang being shot down with a little bit of fire. Sokka has more than a boomerang.
Shikamaru is nothing near perfect. Your post fails because you are misinformed.
Anyone can say that. You praise Sokka too highly, he isn't the elite strategist you make him out to be.

Shikamaru is on a whole other tier than Sokka, you can't compare between these two characters with the exception of hair.


You're shooting yourself in the foot by presenting arguments full of holes.[/QUOTE]
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Your arguments are full of holes. Shikamaru is too highly regarded here.

Kai
03-02-2007, 05:58 PM
Your arguments are full of holes. Shikamaru is too highly regarded here.

Ok, you are stating your opinion with no evidence in an indefinite cyclical pattern. The conclusion is that the Narutoverse is the victor.

Giovanni Rild
03-02-2007, 05:59 PM
Ok, you are stating your opinion with no evidence in an indefinite cyclical pattern. The conclusion is that the Narutoverse is the victor.

To you it may. But I see a different outcome.

Omega id
04-02-2007, 05:49 AM
Narutoverse wins but not easily, though.

Personally i dislike Avatar, i cant stand an anime with no hot babes at all. seriously, wtf?
Actually, all people there are utterly ugly. i wonder why.

My opinion wont be biased like this guy's.

Though I gotta defend Avatar. It's not an anime and its not influenced by the Japs and I'm greatful for that because I wont have to put up with typical Japanese bullshit.

Examples such as:

1) Girls blushing for no reason
2) characters thinking to themselves for 5mins
3) characters speaking the other persons name out loud in a soft voice when ever they give a "motivational" speech (ie. Naruto: I will bring Sasuke back! Dattebayo... Sakura: Naruto...)

If you feel like you have to be attracted to a cartoon character go watch some hentai and stop bashing a good series for not having hot hand drawn girls.

Thats what makes Avatar greater than Naruto IMO, its got a mix of both Western and Eastern elements when it comes to development.

But back on the subject. Naruto easily beats Avatar universe because Naruto has too many broken characters. Kyubi Naruto himself is the equivalent to Aang in his Avatar state as I've seen similar destructive powers from both. But considering that the more tails come out the stronger Kyubi Naruto gets not even the Avatar states will help Aang.

Then theres Itachi with his Dojutsu and Genjutsu which can apparently effect you by looking at his finger. Avatar universe characters dont know shit about Genjutsu's so they will all pretty much fall for it. But we all know Sarutobi alone... hell not even him. Rock Lee would easily handle all the Avatar characters.

Omega id
04-02-2007, 06:21 AM
did you see desert avalanche? it would take about 50 earthbenders just to do that.

Thats not entirely true or fair, first of all Earth Benders bend Earth, not Sand. Much like how Gaara can only manipulate sand and not solid rock. Although Sand is a part of Earth you never see an Earth Bender bending sand so its not known if they can actually do it. Even if they could the sand probably wont be as damaging as Gaara's because Gaara's sand has Chakra in it which he uses to add pressure (which is why desert coffin is possible, theres no other way to explain how gaara making a fist = your body blowing up, cause if Gaara ONLY manipulated sand w/o applying chakra to it all he would really do is bury someone alive in mid air while that person would end up digging themselves out).

Second, Earth benders can create tunnels, lift giant pillars from up the ground by just stomping their foot down and bring out huge boulders. On a side note they can do whatever they want with the earth, they could even apply it to their own bodies as an additional shield.

I was going to answer your Elements thing but I realized how much I was typing and how much more I had to type so I deleted it and didn't want to bother trying to prove you wrong :P

Elements in naruto are not stronger is all I can say. If anything they are on par or the elements in Avatar are stronger. Then again Naruto's excuse for every single thing they do is Chakra. So in naruto anything is possible with Chakra.

Basically, these are the only things I see Avatar characters not standing a chance against:

-Itachi
-Kyubi Naruto
-anyone with Rock/Gai-like speed (because the speed the characters display in avatar are more realistic and not DBZ crap).

Then again Naruto characters are all stupid (except Shikamaru and supposedly Kakashi who has all the special traits in the battle field but yet falls for naruto's dumb shit). So I wouldn't be suprised if they were all outdone by strategy alone.

The last Dalek
04-02-2007, 07:25 AM
Actualy there have been sand benders but they were no where near Gaaras level.

Aang is a big threat but Kakashi can just send him to anothere dimension as goes into the avatar state leving the rest of the Avatarveres wich nowere near the Narutoverses level.

Omega id
04-02-2007, 07:57 AM
The only two threats I actually see in Avatar are Aang and Toph.

Toph is good at calculating the speed and the distance of her opponents due to her little DareDevil eyes. I wouldn't be suprised if she was also able to determine the distance that her opponent is about to jump.

On top of that she seems like the only really useful character in Avatar. The only time she is helpless is either in the air, when on ice or floating on water. She's completely blind there but she can pretty much do anything she desires with the earth.

Aang can easily deflect any fireballs with his wooden stick and bat it back at his opponents. He can manipulate the 4 basic elements himself so if you threw wind / water / earth (I dont remember if he mastered fire though he did bend it a bit) he would probably just catch it and throw it back by bending it.

I think as far as the basics go Avatar has a chance. But Naruto just has too much broken abilities. How do you make one of the Akatsuki members Immortal? I just dont get that. Shippuden really ran a spear through the Naruto series imo =/

Sooner or later Ninja's will have the power to destroy a planet or make you kill yourself just by staring at you.