View Full Version : Rock Lee vs. Hyuuga Neji
manga_fiend
02-04-2007, 12:53 AM
who do you think would win out of lee and neji? i recon neji
nightmarenny
02-04-2007, 01:50 AM
I give this one to Lee. In a standered fight with no preknowledge. Lee is vunurable in the begining because he couldn't release the wieghts or gate untill getting througholy wooped. Lee however knows what Neji can do. Asuming before the Garra fight Neji has no clue what Lee can do. Lee would bring everything out. Neji tries to spiral it and get fucked over when Lee comes at him to fast to block everything. After that Lee keeps the heat on intill Neji can't spiral and just gets pumaled.
TreeofSephri
02-04-2007, 02:26 AM
Lee wins. Speed is the Hyuuga's worst enemy.
Sasuke's Curse
02-04-2007, 02:43 AM
Yes... Lee would win.
Sure Neji is awesome win it comes to fights, having the Byakuugan and all..
But in all seriousness, Lee would win.
Lee would win.
His speed knocks the fuck out of Neji.
competitionbros
02-04-2007, 03:17 AM
why do people believe that Neji will stand there and wait for Lee to open up gates? And even if he does sooner or later it'll wear out his body so Neji just needs to protect himself long enough for that to happen then he can attack Lee without mercy.
nightmarenny
02-04-2007, 03:22 AM
why do people believe that Neji will stand there and wait for Lee to open up gates? And even if he does sooner or later it'll wear out his body so Neji just needs to protect himself long enough for that to happen then he can attack Lee without mercy.
People think hell let him open the gates because no one ever tries to stop them. More importantly Lee wouldn't need the gates. Even Lee without the gates would be fast enough. If not why do you expect that Neji can proec himself from the gates? They get started Neji is pummuled.
Cirus
02-04-2007, 04:02 AM
People think hell let him open the gates because no one ever tries to stop them. More importantly Lee wouldn't need the gates. Even Lee without the gates would be fast enough. If not why do you expect that Neji can proec himself from the gates? They get started Neji is pummuled.
Lee with out the weights on his legs is to fast for Neji, so gates would even be worse for him.
Also I think this needs to be moved to the battledome.
Kisuke_Urahara
02-04-2007, 04:37 AM
I don't think so, the Byakugan could interpret demon fox Naruto's speed just fine. If Lee uses standard taijutsu, Kaiten rotation not only blocks, but repels the attack and knocks Lee on his ass. Insert 8 trigrams 64 palms immediately afterward then neji wins.
All bets are off if Lee opens gates immediately at the beginning of the battle, he would probably win unless Neji can really do 8 gates closing like in that one video game NH3.
And don't tell me Neji is too slow, if he can strike 64 times in like 10 seconds, that's friggin' fast. When they are enhanced by chakra it is very powerful too.
Shika-Chou
02-04-2007, 04:42 AM
Neji wins. That's pretty much the basis of Lee's story, that he's always trying to surpass a natural genius through his hard work and determination.
He keeps trying though...
Retlor
02-05-2007, 03:32 PM
I'm gonna go with Neji on this one. Lee is strong and fast, but Neji is stronger and almost as fast. He can detect just about any attack coming at him with his byakugan, he can stop Lee using chakra, he can defend against just about anything with Kaiten.
Lee might be able to win by opening the gates, but would he want to massively cripple himself again in order to do so?
MiNaC
02-05-2007, 03:44 PM
It could go either way, IMO.
Watch the spoilers, faggots. -_-
Nicky The Ninja
02-05-2007, 03:46 PM
I recon Neji would win.
Murderous Intent
02-05-2007, 04:01 PM
I think Lee would win this one with the gates opened. Without the gates I think neji would be able to detect his movements and block them with kaiten. He is a great taijutsu user as well after all, taijutsu users do not tend to be slow. If Neji would be able to see Lee when Lee opened 5 of his gates he would have a chance to beat him, but I think only sharingan may have a chance to see that level of speed. Lee knows Neji is a very tough opponent. He will not waste any time with weights on, he will directly move to his supreme technique: Ura Renge. Lee with 4/5 of his gates open is far too fast for Neji.
starblade876
02-05-2007, 04:23 PM
I might have to give this to Lee. He did work on a way to beat Neji, but the reverse isn't true. His Kaiten doesn't last forever and Lee has stamina. I don't think Neji can defeat 5 Gates and an Ura Renge no matter how much he spins.
Watch the spoilers, f------. -_-
Watch what you say.
lee wins!!! fast, good hand to hand, and 7 gates! game over!
Repstorm
02-05-2007, 05:07 PM
The fight goes to Neji. Lee says that he has never been able to defeat Neji and he said this even after learning how to open the gates.
starblade876
02-05-2007, 05:19 PM
The fight goes to Neji. Lee says that he has never been able to defeat Neji and he said this even after learning how to open the gates.He's never used the Gates against Neji; he said he was planning on revealing it to Neji during the last part of the Chuunin Exams if they were matched together.
trunks_lover29
02-05-2007, 05:19 PM
Right now: Neji...maybe someday Rock Lee will be strong enough to defeat his genius counterpart...in my opinion they'll end up like Gai and Kakashi, pretty much even.
Death Impact
02-05-2007, 06:32 PM
it all depends, neji and lee both are melee fighter, neji have 360 surround vision with his Byakugan, lee have his 5 innter gate of chakra. even if lee use his insane speed, neji is still able to see the attack, but the only thing lee out damage neji is the gate, with the gates he can break every bone in neji's body with that kind of power. so yeah lee is the beast
Purgatory
02-05-2007, 08:44 PM
Neji has the better chance. --yeap, that's spoiler too--
FinalDragon13
02-05-2007, 09:01 PM
Lee would kick neji's ass.
nelkior_nal
02-06-2007, 04:40 AM
Yea I so messed up, I looked back at my post, its full of spoilers -_-..I forgot I wasn't in Konoha TV forum...
sorry about that
MangekyoMaster
02-06-2007, 08:22 PM
Please, Neji would win. Lee said so himself. All Lee can do is keep punching and kicking. Neji would pwn that with rotation. Lee would be screwed.
Except Lee can only use up to 5 (remember, this is the dub section)... Or at least I believe Gai said Lee could only open the first five. And even if he didn't, we don't know if Lee can open more than 5, so we shouldn't just assume that he can when we don't know that.
Ok, 5 gates then. Such speed and power may still be unstoppable by the Kaiten. Your right though, we havent seen Lee aquire gates any highter than 5.
Do you not watch flashbacks or listen? During training Neji always beats lee and lee wishes he was better
How long has it been since then ?
Just because theres a point where one is stronger than the other, doesn't necessarily mean there's always a permanent outcome.
---spoiler---
We still don't know if the lack of Ninjutsu and Genjutsu was the issue.
FuzzyBrows
02-06-2007, 09:41 PM
They're both close range fighters so they would be pretty equal. Lee can open gates and release the weights off his legs and Neji can use Byukugan and stop chakra flow. However I'm giving it to Lee because of his pure speed.
General Mustang
02-06-2007, 09:43 PM
Neji i would say
competitionbros
02-06-2007, 10:40 PM
Rock Lee loses, it's pretty much said by Gai that the only way Lee could win is by opening the gates, Neji must know about Lee's speed without the weights cuz he didn't seem surprised so he must've seen it already and still can beat Lee. So again without the gates Lee loses and Neji will not sit there and watch Lee open gates
Lightspeed Suzuka
02-06-2007, 10:43 PM
I'm going to have to say Neji- I don't even think it's a competition. Sure Lee is great, but Neji has the Byukagan (I KNOW I spelled that wrong, I hate spelling) and Lee has even said that Neji is better. I know Lee is very popular, but Neji is incredibly tactically prepared- as one could see from his battle with Hinata in the Prelims to the 3rd stage of the Chuunin exams.
~Loves, Suzuka
Snakashi
02-07-2007, 12:25 AM
Neji's has GREAT blance how I see it...
but Lee has so much POWA
xuzumakihinataX
02-07-2007, 06:56 AM
i choose neji..neji will win.no doubt about it..hahaha.
Lemonade
02-07-2007, 12:17 PM
I think Neji would win.
fennixfire
02-14-2007, 09:01 PM
ooo..this is a hard one! Neji has his ultimate defense, but then again Lee has the power and the determination! Not that Neji isn't determined, just not like Lee. I'd have say Lee for now though.
Can Neji even open ONE of the chakra gates? :gailee
Lee wins due to incerdible speed and strength. Neji wouldn't survive the gates.
sandninja2
02-17-2007, 01:14 AM
Lee would win because Neji's Byakugen couldnt compete with the gates.
manga_fiend
02-17-2007, 01:32 AM
hey jetstorm lee never says he cant defeathim he just says neji is another top ninja. any way neji would thrash lee so bad he would have to get surgery! NEJI HYUUGA RULES! HE BEATS LEE SO BAD!
Purgatory
02-17-2007, 12:12 PM
Lee wins due to incerdible speed and strength. Neji wouldn't survive the gates.
That's only if Gai-Sensei allows him to take the weights off. Remember Lee V.S. Gaara? If Gai does not allow it, then Lee cannot take them off.
I think lee would win, it would be a very close fight though
sukettebayo
02-17-2007, 10:57 PM
lee kicks neji in the chin...
FIGHT OVER!
Jannoy
02-17-2007, 10:59 PM
Neji.
But yeah, Lee has improved. I shall stop here.
Kire Sagara
02-18-2007, 07:02 AM
Neji would be good against a NORMAL ninja who uses ninjutsu and genjutsu regularly, thats what the gentle fist technique is used for. It can close chakra gates, but it cant deactivate muscles.
And the whole rotation thing, Neji needs at least 1/4 second reaction and charge time to use it. Lee can approach and strike an enemy in less than 1/4 seconds even without using any gate openings.
Neji would NOT have the time to react and use rotation, and the tiny little welts left by the gentle fist would only annoy Lee. He could even use 8 trigrams 64 palms, it would keep Lee from using chakra, but who says he uses chakra?
Kaiji
02-18-2007, 01:51 PM
urh i see nlike trillion f these thread in here and other forum it oveus wh o will win
ShinGotti
02-18-2007, 02:34 PM
Neji would be good against a NORMAL ninja who uses ninjutsu and genjutsu regularly, thats what the gentle fist technique is used for. It can close chakra gates, but it cant deactivate muscles.
And the whole rotation thing, Neji needs at least 1/4 second reaction and charge time to use it. Lee can approach and strike an enemy in less than 1/4 seconds even without using any gate openings.
Neji would NOT have the time to react and use rotation, and the tiny little welts left by the gentle fist would only annoy Lee. He could even use 8 trigrams 64 palms, it would keep Lee from using chakra, but who says he uses chakra?
You know, this is really a very interesting outlook!!
But the plain fact is. That all fighters use chakra.
The word comes from the Sanskrit cakra चक्र meaning "wheel" or "circle" (also cognate to both words), and sometimes also referring to the "wheel of life". The pronunciation of this word can be approximated in English by chuhkruh, with ch as in chart and both instances of a as in yoga (the commonly found pronunciation shockrah is incorrect). Some traditional sources describe five or seven chakras, others eight.
The chakras are described as being aligned in an ascending column from the base of the spine to the top of the head. In new age practices, each chakra is associated with a certain color. In various traditions chakras are associated with multiple physiological functions, an aspect of consciousness, a classical element, and other distinguishing characteristics. They are visualized as lotuses with a different number of petals in every chakra.
(thus you get Lee's "front lotus", and his "reverse lotus")
The chakras are thought to vitalise the physical body and to be associated with interactions of a physical, emotional and mental nature. They are considered loci of life energy, or prana, (also called shakti, chi (Chinese), coach-ha-guf (Hebrew), bios/aether (Greek, English)), which is thought to flow among them along pathways called nadis ). The function of the chakras is to spin and draw in this Universal Life Force Energy to keep the spiritual, mental, emotional and physical health of the body in balance.
So to put it bluntly :P it would be a great fight. Lee has strength and speed. Negi has defense, speed, and forsight! It would be a great episode. And I would love to see it!!
Jannoy
02-18-2007, 02:45 PM
^ You get an A+ for homework... :oh
ShinGotti
02-18-2007, 06:11 PM
^ You get an A+ for homework... :oh
Thanks :amuse I just looked it up, is all ^^ I didnt know all. That much about Chakra until I did read. Some articles on it!!
MangekyoMaster
02-18-2007, 07:29 PM
Lee would be defeated by neji. Why? Because Lee said so himself. Neji already knew about the weights, which is why he was not suprised by that. Besides Neji has received a serious month of training since, while Lee has gone rock bottom(no pun intended).
Kaiji
02-19-2007, 03:40 PM
Lee would be defeated by neji. Why? Because Lee said so himself. Neji already knew about the weights, which is why he was not suprised by that. Besides Neji has received a serious month of training since, while Lee has gone rock bottom(no pun intended).
yes i about to say that
PradaBrada
02-19-2007, 03:53 PM
Neji beats Lee's ass, Lee even says so.
One Hakke 64 and it's over.
Tsunayoshi
02-19-2007, 04:55 PM
Neji beats Lee's ass, Lee even says so.
One Hakke 64 and it's over.
In a flashback... before he learned how to use the gates... which he said he intended to save for Neji when he fought Gaara...
The Truth
02-19-2007, 08:05 PM
In a flashback... before he learned how to use the gates... which he said he intended to save for Neji when he fought Gaara...
Yes, which he had know idea if they would work or not. Hence his doubt even after he defeated Sasuke. Anyhow, as i've said many times, Lee's best chance of beating Neji is during the prelims when he had surprise on his side. Afterwards, Neji knows Lee's techniques.
Rokurai
02-19-2007, 08:14 PM
And 3 or 4 Kaitens (oh wait this is dub) I mean Rotations will hold off Gated Lee until he's useless, and then a jump into the air and a palm down to the chest will easily beat Lee.
Tsunayoshi
02-19-2007, 08:24 PM
Yes, which he had know idea if they would work or not. Hence his doubt even after he defeated Sasuke. Anyhow, as i've said many times, Lee's best chance of beating Neji is during the prelims when he had surprise on his side. Afterwards, Neji knows Lee's techniques.
I know. I was just refuting the stupid "Lee said he'd loose" argument. I never said whether I feel that Lee would actually win or not.
The Truth
02-19-2007, 08:40 PM
I know. I was just refuting the stupid "Lee said he'd loose" argument. I never said whether I feel that Lee would actually win or not.
I see...carry on then.
I think that Neji could probably beat Lee. It would definately be pretty close, but in the end I think Neji would pull it off and beat Lee.
Pffft Lee wins. He is way to strong for Neji.
Jenna Berry
02-23-2007, 06:03 PM
Neji .
Kagateo Hackarana
02-28-2007, 03:04 PM
Honestly Dudes! Rock Lee can open 5 maybe even more of the 8 chakra gates, increasing his power ten-fold with each gate! He can fight while he's unconscious, asleep, and -snip-. He can runs for years on end, and has absolutley no idea what rythm means, enabling Rock Lee to create completly random bursts of taijutsu, making it near impossible to parry, block or evade.
As for Neji, even as a side branch member, Neji has master many if not all of the Byakugan bloodline moves, and has even created a way to protect his one only blind spot. Neji has the ability to close or shut down, all the pinpoint chakra receptors within your body, and then some. And his style of jukken is unmatched within the Hyuga clan.
But I rekon that Rock Lee will win hands down, and not just because of the fact that he is BY FAR my favourite character, but Rock Lee will just keep coming at you, and coming at you, and coming at you untill he keels over, and he'll still be coming at you with his lotus style then as well!
Neji may have been able to beet Rock when they were 1st year genin's, but Rock Lee will most deffinatly wipe the floor with Neji Hyuga's ass from any point after that!
Kagateo Hackarana
piers007
02-28-2007, 03:17 PM
I don't know who would win because Neji has his byugogan and rock lee has his stamina i dnt know but if lee opened ther gates he would prob win
Hatred
02-28-2007, 03:22 PM
Well without Lee opening gates, I think it would be if Neji could keep up with Lee's speed.... But I think if Lee went far enough and opened some gates..... Lee would probably win !smile-big
Rock lee would win i think.
RockLee's Publicist
03-15-2007, 04:34 PM
im not exactly sure this is the right place to post this but ive had this arguement for so long and i want to lay it to rest. please dont just post because its your favorite character and you want to back him, i only want serious debaters.
if in episode 49 undubbed Rock Lee had got neji who would have won. in my opinion i think Rock Lee would have won simply because there is no way of stopping the full lotus. My friend's arguement is this:
Neji would beat Rock Lee because the byakugan can see all his movements there fore rock lee wouldn't be able to touch him. Also he said the only reason Rock Lee got the chance to use full lotus is because Gaara is cocky and his fighting style entises his opponent to attack. he does not have much of an offensive game when hes not going serious.
My arguement is that:
Rock Lee wouldn't have even had to use the full lotus because simply taking off the weights would have been enough. I feel that just because neji has the ability to see at almost every angle doesn't mean he can always stop wats coming. Rock Lee moves far too fast for neji to even react. -snip-
Remember please be serious about this response and dont just favor your char. if say which will win give an explanation as to why they would win or just agree with the points brought up by me or my friend.
Zubatron
03-15-2007, 04:41 PM
Well I've never watched the english episodes but I don't recognize the "Full Lotus" technique you're saying. I think you're talking about the Heavenly Gates.
But what I think would happen is of course Neji would beat Rock Lee in hand to hand combat so I think Neji is better than Lee at Taijutsu.
But when it comes to Rock Lee opening the Gates would Neji be able to handle all that sudden power? The anwser is: POSSIBLY.
Because since he KNOWS Lee can open the Gates he would expect him to use it and prepare himself for it. But then again if Neji never knew about him being a Gate user he would be completely thrown off guard like Neji was against Naruto.
So I think my conclusion would be Rock Lee would win IF and ONLY IF Lee had never previously used the Heavenly Gates in front of Neji and used them in the fight against Neji.
RockLee's Publicist
03-15-2007, 04:53 PM
well thats wat i ment by saying full lotus. but anyway so you are saying rock lee woudnt beat neji by just taking off his weights. i want u to keep in mind this fight wuld take place at the same time of episode 49 so that means it would be like the big announcement sign said rock lee vs neji instead of gaara. so this means no neji would not know rock lees ability to open gates because gaara fight was its debut.
Zubatron
03-15-2007, 05:06 PM
Ohhhh ok that changes everything then. Sorry I don't know which number episode is which.
I would say Rock Lee would have a VERY good chance of beating Neji.
Kaiji
03-15-2007, 05:13 PM
well neji can stay alive longer and still standing is better
lee have super speed and plus or lotus and gate
gate dont last forever so
neji could win if he could still have enough chakra to win
after the gate lee have real bad dificulttty
so if really hard to say and it also depend
it like a 50/50
Purgatory
03-15-2007, 05:20 PM
As of now, Rock Lee cannot hope to beat him.
Tousen
03-15-2007, 06:39 PM
i honeslty dont know what ep the english version is on hopefully the chunin exams are completely over and i actually would like someone to info me on letting me know so i can asnwer ur debate seriously
but ill start like this during lee's fight with gaara...gaara wasnt being cocky thats just the way he fights...hes not a taijutsu specialist....he doesnt move he makes the sand move for him..so in saying that lee had the time to take the waits off but if it was againt neji he would of never had the time
and i believe everyone is forgetting the most important key to this arguement which is hyuga's style taijutsu...aka Gentle fist taijutsu...which in saying that if rock lee even got hit by neji then that fight is over..the only way hinata lasted so long was because she had the eyes for it..all lee has is speed and im sure neji would of dropped him as soon as possible
so in closing neji would rock lee or pretty much anybody else in a taijutsu battle hence the reason why he is the Genius of the hyuga family and if anyone call tell me wut ep u are in then maybe i can answer a little bit more
Death Sonjo
03-15-2007, 07:43 PM
i honeslty dont know what ep the english version is on hopefully the chunin exams are completely over and i actually would like someone to info me on letting me know so i can asnwer ur debate seriously
but ill start like this during lee's fight with gaara...gaara wasnt being cocky thats just the way he fights...hes not a taijutsu specialist....he doesnt move he makes the sand move for him..so in saying that lee had the time to take the waits off but if it was againt neji he would of never had the time
and i believe everyone is forgetting the most important key to this arguement which is hyuga's style taijutsu...aka Gentle fist taijutsu...which in saying that if rock lee even got hit by neji then that fight is over..the only way hinata lasted so long was because she had the eyes for it..all lee has is speed and im sure neji would of dropped him as soon as possible
so in closing neji would rock lee or pretty much anybody else in a taijutsu battle hence the reason why he is the Genius of the hyuga family and if anyone call tell me wut ep u are in then maybe i can answer a little bit more
I highly dissagree with you.
JUST because Neji could hit one of Lee's tenkutsu, it doesn't mean Lee is hopeless. Besides, Lee wouldn't be stupid enough as to let Neji hit him. Super speed, remember? His taijutsu levels are also way above Genin level. His speed combined with his strength makes Lee a formable oppenent.
'Even a failure can defeat a genius through hard work!'
nejikicksass
03-15-2007, 07:51 PM
Neji would win, but not easily.
Neji would simply use the rotation whenever Rock Lee gets too close or fast for Neji.He will not be able to react that quick do to his speed therefor he would be on the ground cause of the rotation while neji prepares his 8 trigrams.once he starts there is no way for lee to get out of it.he will feel sharp pain as his gates are being closed.once he is reduced to his normal(yet still fast)speed neji would mess with his mind.he would doubt his abilites to be a true ninja due to no gen or nin justsu.once he is mad lee will get foolish and do a frontal attack and start using some crazy taijustsu mives on him.neji(being a master of taijutsu himself)will dodge all his moves while hitting lee at the same time.overall lee will get tired of all the hits and will slip up and neji will finish him off with a hit in the heart.i hope that answers your question!
lollipop
03-15-2007, 11:12 PM
I think that Rock Lee will probably beat him. Just cause Neji is selfish, and really rude.
Purgatory
03-15-2007, 11:17 PM
I highly dissagree with you.
JUST because Neji could hit one of Lee's tenkutsu, it doesn't mean Lee is hopeless. Besides, Lee wouldn't be stupid enough as to let Neji hit him. Super speed, remember? His taijutsu levels are also way above Genin level. His speed combined with his strength makes Lee a formable oppenent.
'Even a failure can defeat a genius through hard work!'
Hate to break it to ya, but not even in the original manga does it say Lee could possibly beat Neji, so, therefore we must give this win to Neji Hyuga.
Tousen
03-16-2007, 12:09 AM
I highly dissagree with you.
JUST because Neji could hit one of Lee's tenkutsu, it doesn't mean Lee is hopeless. Besides, Lee wouldn't be stupid enough as to let Neji hit him. Super speed, remember? His taijutsu levels are also way above Genin level. His speed combined with his strength makes Lee a formable oppenent.
'Even a failure can defeat a genius through hard work!'
well i take it ur a rock lee fan so im going to try to explain this as nice as possible without hurting anyones feelings...so ur telling me that lee has super speed and a fair amount of strength is a match for neji..lol
let me see if i can explain this right...neji is a genius and i finally figured out why..most taijutsu specialist are usually short range fighter hence hand to hand combat..but neji on the other hand is different..his 64 palms gives his reach a longer extention..so that right there puts him at a advantage over lee..lets see wut us..he also has rotation which some of u know as his eight trigrams heavenly spin which gives his the absolute defense which some might even debate is better then gaara's sand...so that also gives neji the advantage because to my knowledge lee has no defense..pretty much neji over powers lee in pretty much anything...if u think pure speed can beat somebody im guessing u had ur eyes close when lee was fighting gaara cause he didnt win that much.........:laugh :laugh :laugh
nephilimx
03-16-2007, 12:10 AM
Lee
Neji is too slow, heck naruto overpowered him when he tried to rotate
Lee without weights, would be a slaughter
Tousen
03-16-2007, 04:10 PM
Lee
Neji is too slow, heck naruto overpowered him when he tried to rotate
Lee without weights, would be a slaughter
can you rephrase that please?
Zubatron
03-16-2007, 04:27 PM
I think a lot of people are forgetting the original scenario. The TC is talking about who would've won if Rock Lee had fought Neji instead of Gaara in the Chuunin exams.
Shadow_Clones
03-16-2007, 04:28 PM
I think Lee can win, Remember the fight against Naruto and Neji, Imagine with rock lee, has the same determantion to win, he haves a big dream, and he has the gates to back him up. :P
Plus with the speed he has, Neji would'nt even touch him. :nod
Tousen
03-16-2007, 04:31 PM
I think Lee can win, Remember the fight against Naruto and Neji, Imagine with rock lee, has the same determantion to win, he haves a big dream, and he has the gates to back him up. :P
Plus with the speed he has, Neji would'nt even touch him. :nod
but ur missing the main and most important key to that battle...naruto has the 9 tailed fox inside of him which gives him unlimited chakra...so if lee would every get caught in neji's sixty four palms it would be lights out for lee
Jeanne
03-18-2007, 07:45 PM
Lee is a hard worker. He push himself too hard. :oh
And Neji is strong too. I think it'd be a tie.
Neji Byakugan128
04-06-2007, 01:05 AM
neji not only because he is my favorite but he could activate byakugan and take away lee's chackra when lee is in the gates
Shirozaki
04-06-2007, 01:11 AM
Neji wins.
eerie
04-06-2007, 01:35 AM
Neji without a question.
Son17
04-06-2007, 08:27 PM
i have to go with Lee on this one
Creator
04-06-2007, 08:31 PM
Rock lee without a doubt.
Yellow
04-08-2007, 01:36 AM
Neji wins. Lee was fast when he fought Neji before and Neji beat him with no effort. The gates would make it a little harder but Neji would still own Lee.
lollipop
04-08-2007, 06:50 PM
Lee would win!!!
Double Arts Sui
04-08-2007, 09:43 PM
This is my humble opinion and is not intended to diminish others's.
I go by this words:
Extreme lotus... It is continuous high-speed taijutsu that can't even be touched! The answer to defeat Neji is this high-speed combo...
Maito Gai, Manga chapter 86.
According to this, if Lee's fit to go on just to the Fourth Door, that's the end of it. No signs that either Neji or TenTen can open gates, which could be the counter.
XIX Neji XIX
04-15-2007, 09:17 PM
Since Lee doesnt really use Chakra, Neji's main skill is just mainly to hurt him then, so I give it to Lee.
naruto-chan-666
04-16-2007, 09:22 AM
i think neji would win coz he has such a badass attitude and rocky lee is jush a freak. XD
krasy88
04-16-2007, 11:08 AM
Neji has his style of closing all of the Tenketsus right? He does this so that you cannot use anymore chakra and your body shuts down. He also has his chakra shield that covers almost all of his body. On top of that he has his Byakugan, which could give him some help in seeing Rock Lee when he's moving super fast.
Rock Lee. He has Super speed and advanced hand to hand combat skills. He does not use chakra at all and so Neji's style of closing all chakra holes would not effect him at all. He could feel free to hammer Neji all day and nuthing would happen. It would be as if Neji and him were fighting as normal humans without chakra. If Rock decides to open his gates Neji is finished.
Winner- Rock Lee
Colonel Angus
04-16-2007, 05:44 PM
Rock Lee. He has Super speed and advanced hand to hand combat skills. He does not use chakra at all and so Neji's style of closing all chakra holes would not effect him at all. He could feel free to hammer Neji all day and nuthing would happen. It would be as if Neji and him were fighting as normal humans without chakra. If Rock decides to open his gates Neji is finished.
Winner- Rock Lee
Negatory.
Lee DOES use chakra. He molds chakra into certain parts of his body to make him faster and stronger. Also.. the opening of the gates is forcefully allowing the body to push the limit of the use of chakra the body can handle. So, again.. Lee does use chakra. He just doesn't mold it to perform ninjutsu or genjutsu.
Perfect example, when Lee blocks Sasuke's kick when they were trying to get to the third floor, Sasuke thinks to himself, "What kind of chakra is in his arm?"
You can also think of it in terms of the tree climbing exercise. Naruto and Sasuke would mold chakra to the bottom of their feet and climb the tree. Sakura also used this in the prelims against Ino where she molded chakra to the soles of her feet and thus ran faster. It's not ninjutsu or genjutsu (which Lee has no talent for), just the molding of chakra to a certain part of the body.
Purgatory
04-16-2007, 05:46 PM
Easily Neji. No where has it been seen where Lee has defeated him, and there has been no proof if his gates could stop Neji, therefor, Neji has tyhe upper hand because of his Byakugan and his incredible taijutsu.
Cair Paravel
04-23-2007, 09:39 PM
I'd say Lee would totally kick Neji's butt, especially when he puts the 5 Gates into play.
Ember
05-04-2007, 04:48 PM
Neji hands down!
kimiurachan
05-04-2007, 07:23 PM
Neji, we have seen the two fight in a flashback Neji won.
kaiden
05-04-2007, 07:29 PM
lee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!th e hidden lotus strikes twice!!!
Beluga
05-04-2007, 07:35 PM
byakugan wins *sigh leeTT^TT*
starblade876
05-06-2007, 03:38 PM
Negatory.
Lee DOES use chakra. He molds chakra into certain parts of his body to make him faster and stronger. Also.. the opening of the gates is forcefully allowing the body to push the limit of the use of chakra the body can handle. So, again.. Lee does use chakra. He just doesn't mold it to perform ninjutsu or genjutsu.
Perfect example, when Lee blocks Sasuke's kick when they were trying to get to the third floor, Sasuke thinks to himself, "What kind of chakra is in his arm?"
You can also think of it in terms of the tree climbing exercise. Naruto and Sasuke would mold chakra to the bottom of their feet and climb the tree. Sakura also used this in the prelims against Ino where she molded chakra to the soles of her feet and thus ran faster. It's not ninjutsu or genjutsu (which Lee has no talent for), just the molding of chakra to a certain part of the body.
Not completely true. At least, not the way I understood it.
Sasuke only questioned what kind of chakra was in Lee's arm because he couldn't imagine someone being that strong just like he couldn't imagine someone being as fast as Lee. Remember, he used his Sharingan later to try to see what kind of "trick" Lee was doing. When Lee takes off his weights, I don't believe that it releases chakra; that's just Lee's muscles.
I do agree that Lee is able to use chakra to increase strength and speed though (otherwise, releasing Gates to allow more chakra wouldn't do anything at all for him).
xXxHyuugaxXx
05-07-2007, 10:23 PM
I give this one to Lee. In a standered fight with no preknowledge. Lee is vunurable in the begining because he couldn't release the wieghts or gate untill getting througholy wooped. Lee however knows what Neji can do. Asuming before the Garra fight Neji has no clue what Lee can do. Lee would bring everything out. Neji tries to spiral it and get fucked over when Lee comes at him to fast to block everything. After that Lee keeps the heat on intill Neji can't spiral and just gets pumaled.
hey you know Neji's "Hakke Sanbyaku Rikujiusshiki matches the speed of Lee's EXTREME LOTUS "fastest lotus he has lol....
PradaBrada
05-09-2007, 12:26 PM
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Nikitaa
05-09-2007, 12:38 PM
Lee would win.
His speed knocks the fuck out of Neji.
I agree with that. And Neji always needs his opponent near him to punch the hell outta him and with Lee that fast.. :)
darkwater297
05-09-2007, 06:28 PM
Genius can be beat with hardwork!
Raven Eyes
05-10-2007, 11:38 AM
Neji would win cause no matter how many gates Lee opened, Neji would just use the rotation and nothing Lee did would get through it
Crimson2Phoenix7
05-21-2007, 12:47 PM
It has already been said that Neji can beat Lee.
The Neji Hyuuga
06-13-2007, 02:53 PM
Neji!!!!!
Imagine if Neji knew how to open gates... Lee wouldnt stand a chance
BeautifulGreenBeast
06-15-2007, 01:58 PM
Lee wins it if he takes his weights off. Neji becomes a puddle on the floor if lee opens the gates. Ands guys... REMEMBER IN EPISODE 50 GAI HIMSELF SAID THAT NEJI COULD NOT DEFEND AGAINST LEES ATTACKS IF HE OPENED THE GATES.
Thread over. Lee wins.
The Truth
06-15-2007, 02:09 PM
Lee wins it if he takes his weights off.
No, to say that is to call both Lee and Gai liars.
Neji becomes a puddle on the floor if lee opens the gates. Ands guys... REMEMBER IN EPISODE 50 GAI HIMSELF SAID THAT NEJI COULD NOT DEFEND AGAINST LEES ATTACKS IF HE OPENED THE GATES.
Nope. Gai said the key to beating Neji is the Primary Lotus(3-5 gates), he never said Neji could not defend against it. If that were true then why did Lee still think Neji was stronger then him?
Avocado
06-15-2007, 02:29 PM
umm. hes not cocky?
BeautifulGreenBeast
06-15-2007, 02:35 PM
No, to say that is to call both Lee and Gai liars.
Nope. Gai said the key to beating Neji is the Primary Lotus(3-5 gates), he never said Neji could not defend against it. If that were true then why did Lee still think Neji was stronger then him? I don't know if the English dub counts but in episode 50 this is exactly what he said in the English dub:
The hidden lotus, a taijutsu combination of such blinding speed, than no one can defend themselves against it. Not even Neji.
Link: http://youtube.com/watch?v=kXt7ejjFdDk
He says it at 3:42
Lee is a monster in the gates :amuse There is no way neji can beat lee. And Kakashi also said that lee is a genius.
The Truth
06-15-2007, 02:57 PM
I don't know if the English dub counts but in episode 50 this is exactly what he said in the English dub:
The hidden lotus, a taijutsu combination of such blinding speed, than no one can defend themselves against it. Not even Neji.
Link: http://youtube.com/watch?v=kXt7ejjFdDk
He says it at 3:42
No in the original he says(5:20):
The answer to defeating Neji lies within the high speed combo (http://youtube.com/watch?v=xdTYc8mIo2g)
And in the manga he says:
http://devilbox.dead.org/n/081-090/086/naruto-10-5-03.jpg
Lee is a monster in the gates :amuse There is no way neji can beat lee.
Lee doesn't seem to have your confidence.
BeautifulGreenBeast
06-15-2007, 03:08 PM
How do you know which translation is more accurate, the dub, or the fan sub? It could be either one. I still say lee wins easily. Neji can hit fast but he cant move fast, lee breaks the sound barrier in the gates i don't think Neji can defend against something the speed of sound. And like lee says "whats the point of knowing where to block an attack if your body cant keep up?"Neji couldn't, start the rotation fast enough Neji cant do rotation for ever lee could always fake him out also. Keep coming close and backing off when Neji starts kaiten, until he cant do it anymore. Kakashi was even watching the last part of the match with Gaara with his sharingan, and Neji with his byukugan.
Neji!!!!!
Imagine if Neji knew how to open gates... Lee wouldnt stand a chance Neji cant do it, he dosnt have the strength to learn. When gai started teaching it lee was the only one that had the ability to learn it.
The Truth
06-15-2007, 03:38 PM
How do you know which translation is more accurate, the dub, or the fan sub? It could be either one.
Neither, I trust the manga.
I still say lee wins easily.
Of course you do, even though you have no evidence that states he's stronger then Neji. Gai said the key to beating Neji is the high speed combo, he never said that it would work. Then you ignore the fact that even Lee himself doesn't believe he is stronger than Neji.
Neji can hit fast but he cant move fast, lee breaks the sound barrier in the gates i don't think Neji can defend against something the speed of sound.
Where was it stated that Lee breaks the sound barrier? And how do you know what Neji can or can't defend against? Unlike the other genin, Neji had no problem following Lee's speed against Gaara. You simply have no evidence to back up your claims.
And like lee says "whats the point of knowing where to block an attack if your body cant keep up?"
He said that to Sasuke. You aren't comparing Neji's skill at that point to Sasuke's are you?
Neji couldn't, start the rotation fast enough Neji cant do rotation for ever lee could always fake him out also.
Kaiten doesn't start with the rotation, it starts by expelling chakra at the point of attack. Neji can just wait for Lee to punch or kick, then block it.
Keep coming close and backing off when Neji starts kaiten, until he cant do it anymore. Kakashi was even watching the last part of the match with Gaara with his sharingan, and Neji with his byukugan.
Neji can see when Lee is about to open the gates and just stop him before he does. Or he can just seal up the chakra in Lee's legs so he can't use them to run fast if he opens that gates.
Robotkiller
06-15-2007, 04:00 PM
Lee said himself that he couldn't beat neji.
yondaime the 4th hokage
12-16-2007, 11:11 PM
lee would kill neji
Midnight ♥
12-16-2007, 11:20 PM
Neji. Though Lee would put up a good fight.
Lee even said Neji could beat him.
cloud23
12-16-2007, 11:29 PM
lee if he opens at least 4 gates
dodgekfc
12-17-2007, 02:12 PM
this fight can go any way ether lee gets his gates open or he loses to neji
Haze is Dreamin'
12-17-2007, 02:38 PM
It has already been said that Neji can beat Lee.
I think you have a typo?
Neji wins. Lee has no confidence against Neji.
Neji wins this.
I think I heard in the Anime He always beats him when they Spar.
I could be wrong.>_<
Filord12
04-01-2008, 07:25 PM
Neji wins,Lee havent beat Neji yet,and Lee always consider Neji better than he is
Nesha
04-01-2008, 11:19 PM
Even seeing his chakra points, Neji isn't fast enough to get close to Lee in order to hit him directly. Lee will PWN his ass with those Inner Gates.
Grimmjow
04-02-2008, 11:58 PM
good match. it would be close but i give it to Neji
khanif
04-03-2008, 12:03 AM
well every thinks neji will will no u cant beat drunken lee dudes he pwn's :D :P
DmonkeyD
04-05-2008, 12:35 PM
lee is deflected by rotation so he waits for neji to stop then goes in for the kill with his speed.
Yariko
04-05-2008, 03:17 PM
I think Neji would beat Lee:oh
saphira
04-05-2008, 04:34 PM
hmm...this is hard :oh...I think it will be a tie :noworry
GameGod
04-05-2008, 05:02 PM
Currently, Lee cannot win. Considering that Lee will have to use numbers of gates to stand a chance, he can't win. Here's the scenario.
Lee starts by immediately taking off his weights, because he knows that he stands no chance against Neji with them on. Neji is surprised that Lee's weights were so heavy, but prepares to fight. Lee attacks (he doesn't know the full extent of Neji's powers either), and, by the time he gets behind Neji, he's smashed away by Neji's strong rotation technique. Lee notices that Neji's too much for him to handle without any gates, and opens the First Gate. He then attacks Neji at full power, not currently using the Primary Lotus. However, he is still easily blocked and the attack reversed; he decides that in his current form Primary Lotus will not work. So he opens another gate and then prepares to stave off Neji. Neji prepares to attack as Lee opens the Third Gate, and then Neji attacks with Eight Trigrams: One Hundred and Twenty Eight Palm Chakra Point Attack. Lee, however, dodges with his new skill, and attempts to hit Neji in the back; Neji uses rotation and throws him off again. He then leaps forward to try to attack Lee, but Lee gets up, dodges the attack and opens the Fourth Gate. He then gets near Neji and attempts to do the Hidden Lotus. However, he is again blocked in the first stage by rotation, and is hurt this time by the reflection of his attack. He quickly opens the Fifth Gate, making a big mistake, and attacks with Hidden Lotus again. This time, the attack is so fast that the rotation struggles to keep up with it, but although Lee might hit Neji once before being blown off, he'll take too much damage from his own attack and from the Hidden Lotus to be able to dodge Eight Trigrams: One Hundred and Twenty Eight Palm Chakra Point Attack. And of his 361 chakra points, several will have been deactivated. Let's find out how many.
2+4+8+16=30
30+32+64=126
126+128=254
With a total of 254 chakra points hit, Lee must be in such pain. Follow that up with an Eight Trigrams: Sixty Four Palm Chakra Point Attack and Lee loses his life.
Karin
04-05-2008, 07:53 PM
hmm... I'd go for Neji... he can beat Lee before he can open the chakra gates...
ZigZag
08-15-2008, 02:53 AM
I think Lee with his gates.
Rion Ryuzaki
08-15-2008, 04:09 AM
Leeeee :argh
☆Northstar☆
08-15-2008, 09:23 PM
I believe Lee can win this using gates.
Aki-kun
08-16-2008, 08:02 AM
Lee is much faster than Neji even without the gates, but Neji can use Kaiten to protect himself from Lees Taijutsu, though with gates Lee could probably break through Kaiten and beat Neji.
Rock Lee wins this.
saki kage
08-16-2008, 11:24 AM
Rock Lee FTW :nod
Disorderly Conduct
08-16-2008, 11:26 AM
There are a lot of scenarios to this fight. Normally, Neji will take this. Neji did not show any surprise at Lee's speed when he took his weights off, and he matched Naruto in Kyuubi mode, so I think he'll be able to handle Lee.
Now, with the gates open, Lee will probably be too fast, and Neji can't use Kaiten forever. However, Lee isn't just going to sit there and allow Lee to open the gates, 'cause they take time. In fact, if Lee tries, it will be the perfect opportunity to use Eight Trigrams: Sixty Four Palms, and seal off his chakra. Neji still wins.
If Lee is drunk, Neji will probably lose unless he can inflict enough pain to make him sober again, which a well-time Kaiten might do. But if he can't pull it off, drunken Lee wins.
Portia
08-16-2008, 02:27 PM
neji stomps lee to the ground
Ashiya
08-17-2008, 03:42 AM
Lee with gates unleashed could win.
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