Could Kakashi Possibly Have ?!?

[Kiosuke]

I was lookin through some of my old favorite eps. and who could forget Gaara vs. Lee. But, me and my friend noticed something while watching those two emmy winning eps. Kakashi notices how quickly Lee heals and Unvails his sharingan. Then he asks Gai, "You, you...showed him how to release the eight Gates of Kimon!" I'm like wait what just happened? Then I rewind it and it surely does look like Kakashi copied Ura Renge!

Do you think it is possible to copy the legendary kinjutsu ( forbidden technique ) ?!? :confused:

Also, do you think it's possible to use sharingan to copy ninjutsus with sharingan that don't use hand seals?

[chiko06]

Well sasuke copied lee moves before the chunnin exam remember. So he can copy moves. The only reason lee beat sasuke is cuz lee was soo fast sasuke body could not keep up.

On another note .... me and my roommate we thinking about rasengan and the chidori. jiraya taught the 4th the rasengan right ... and the fourth was kakashi's sensei so you know that the rasengan is a high level technique what if kakashi couldn't learn the resangen and came up with chidori. He probably saw the 4th using it and tried to learn it and since he couldnt complete all the step he came up with his own version chidori.... farfetch you tell me if im wrong or is there something that would disprove this.

[Rougtan]

Holy mary mother of god, i think Chiko got it. (your logic is abit off page though, the 4th made the rasengan and of J-man learned it afterwards, then tought it to Naruto, not that big of an issue though)

I'm really not sure if Kakashi Copied it. If you go back and review it look to see when he uncovered his eye. If it was cover while Lee was doing the Ura Renge that he probally didn't. I have a strange feeling he already knows it though.

[Sasukelvl1]

We will have to see what the outcome is later maybe he'll just say yeah i copied lees move during the chunnin exam

[Kreen_Warrior]

Most likely he already knows how, but doesn't liek the self-harming nature of the technique. After all, he said to Naruto "This is what happens when you use a self-damaging technique to win a battle. Learn from it" or something like that.

[Maniz]

Wow guys, you put a lot of thaught into this! That's great! Personally I don't think Kakashi invented Chidori, why would he then go and call it Raikiri? But on the other hand, when Saske unleashes Chidori on Gaara, Hokage says "oh, that's Kakashi's..." so who knows? Could be because Kakashi uses it so much, but anyways... You bet Kakashi knows Ura Renge from before, since he knows the name of it and asks Gai directly about it in the exam... After all, he's the one who has fought Gai the most.

[Vaelen]

He and everyone else say that Chidori is Kakashis only non-copied technique, so yes, he invented it.. Probably got inspiration from Rasengan, it's not impossible..

[chiko06]

Yea sorry your right about jiraya learning it from the fourth. I got my lil story mixed up .... also it was late at nite when i wrote that. It is possible .... that kakashi did come up with chidori just for watching the 4th do rasengan. Because chidori blast thru an enemy, and kills them right .... it almost like the rasengan when it done incorrect.

who knows ...

[Lizbet]

Woah! I'd never thought of that before! It does make sense... but I think that in the ep. where he unveils it to look at Lee he's only using it so he can see what's happening. Because I'd have thought he'd actually have to be part of the fight to copy it... plus with the way it gets explained way back in the Haku fight if any one remembers that?

[Genma]

interesting... maybe. but i dont think so.

[3D Master]

He and everyone else say that Chidori is Kakashis only non-copied technique, so yes, he invented it.. Probably got inspiration from Rasengan, it's not impossible..
Actually no, not quite, it's Kakashi's only self-created technique. Plenty of techniques he simply learned before getting the Sharingan you know.

[Vaelen]

It's copied even it you don't have Sharingan, you learned it from someone, or somewhere and copied it.. Just like Naruto copied Kage Bunshin from that scroll..

[Neji23p0]

sorry for being noob, but wuts ura renge...
*puts on flamesuit*

[mow]

Chiko your theory is solid gold

[Vaelen]

Ura Renge is Lees technique when he kicks up the ooponent in the air and uses his bandages to spin in into the ground.. Pretty rough explanation.. :)

[Vegeta]

Actually, Kakashi's chidori is very different than the Rasengan. The Chidori is a stab, the rasengan is BLOW YOU THE FUCK AWAY!. Gai explains that the Chidori is a simple stab for those who don't believe me. Sure the roots may lie with the Rasengan but its a totally different technique. The only similarity is the hand is used. But the hand is used different in both, the Rasengan the hand is used to steady it, the chidori the hand is the weapon.

[Neji23p0]

oooh ura renge is the initial lotus or the primary lotus but i dunno how to tell em apart

[IonDragon]

yeah i think its possible.. since sasuke copied lee's taijutsu

[Code]

You can't copy it. As you can't copy speed or power and the Gates require force. So no. He was just trying to keep up with Lee's movements.

[chiko06]

I didn't meant to make it sound like chidori was resangen, but that it was most likely inspired by it. Also i said that chidori is almost (not quite, but almost) like resangen when done incorrectly. Remember resangen when done properly it doesn't waste chakra and acts like a drill. But when you do it improperly it waste a lot of chakra. Chidori requires a lot of chakra, and can only be used once ... well it depends on their chakra capacity. They both need time to charge up. Now the differences are obivous for example resangen shwirls around in a ball in you hand. Chidori is chakra concentrated on your hand, and when you look at the battle between sasuke and garaa it looks like a ball of chakra only with chakra coming out of the ball in a form of lighting. Both seem like they would require the user to have some sort of speed. Example when naruto was fighting kabuto ... he easily dodge it. Same with chidori it useless if you cant hit them. Sorry for stating the obivous. Im saying that kakashi could have seen resangen done, and maybe became aware of how it was done, and could never do it and came up with chidori.

but who knows any got any other theorys???????

[Kreen_Warrior]

You can't copy it. As you can't copy speed or power and the Gates require force. So no. He was just trying to keep up with Lee's movements.Actually, what it requires is chakra manipulation, which the sharingan can copy.

[aLkeMiSt]

I somehow believe Kakashi did do so...

[co_co_the_monkey]

ok, rocks moves being copied by sasuke is different from copying the gates. the gates require chakra forcing, and i dont think that kakashi or sasuke can copy internal flow. they can see chakra, but not pinpoint it like the byakugan.

and chidori is kakashis origianal move, and its totally different from rasengan. rasengan is chakra being taken out, and controlled into an orb, so it can center the attack. chidori is pure chakra going all over the place to pierce the enemie(in the manga, haku was stabbed through the heart).

[Maniz]

and chidori is kakashis origianal move, and its totally different from rasengan.

I don't agree, I think the only difference between Rasengan and Chidori is how you form the chackra... While Rasengan forms chackra into spiral, Chidori forms it like a sword or some kind of stabbing tool... you can't see, cause the hand's are always covered in chackra. it's the same thing, chackra formed into an object

[pajamas]

hmmm maybe he copied it O_o

[Shrimpie]

The problem with all attacks is: everything can be dodged.

[Sasukelvl1]

Like when Itachi just stoped Sasuke's chidori that sucked.

[3D Master]

The problem with all attacks is: everything can be dodged.
Weeelll, in theory...

but the one dodging is going to need the speed and room to maneuver to do so.

[Maniz]

Like when Itachi just stoped Sasuke's chidori that sucked.

I LOVED that part, just made Sasuke look like a whimp. (which he is) Itachi rulez! :cool:

[Noex]

intresting, and yes i think so, becoz the eye activet on its on if it see a Jutsu so why not ;)

[Maniz]

The Gate-Manipulation is NOT a jutsu, that's the commonly mistaken problem. But Kakashi can, and probably did copy it, since the Sharingan can copy all kinds of movement.

[3D Master]

The Gate-Manipulation is NOT a jutsu, that's the commonly mistaken problem. But Kakashi can, and probably did copy it, since the Sharingan can copy all kinds of movement.
Except opening the gates is all internal, there's no 'movement' for him to copy. So he wouldn't be able to learn gate opening from watching someone. Now Byakugan users might be able to figure out how to open their gates from watching someone doing it, but not the Sharingan.

[chiko06]

I agree Byakugan is very dangerous because it can see chakra flow and would know who how to form his chakra for different jutsu. I think kakashi could of copied the movements .... but not the opening of the gates. I mean couldnt he train using lee speed and become even faster??? Like when sasuke train with lee tiajutsu and became faster so can kakashi.

[darksage78]

I always thought Kakashi based the Chidori off the Rasengan too. I've been thinking that the Sharingan probably allows you to copy most moves that involve hand seals. If I'm not mistaken hand seals manipulate chakara, the Rasengan on the other hand does not require any hand seals. You have to manipulate the chakara yourself making it the second hardest jutsu to master. I guess a Taijutsu tech could be copied through Sharingan though, but if my memory serves me isn't it harder to anticipate taijutsu with Sharingan?

[OVa^FLo]

rasengan and chidori are different because rasengan is kinda a bomb that obliterates anything that it touches(if done correctly), Chidori/Raikiri on the other hand is dependant on the users fastest moving speed. The arm in a way becomes a sword that depends on speed to become sharper. As Gai explains in Episode 67 the secret lies in the speed of the thrust.

[chiko06]

rasengan and chidori are different because rasengan is kinda a bomb that obliterates anything that it touches(if done correctly), Chidori/Raikiri on the other hand is dependant on the users fastest moving speed. The arm in a way becomes a sword that depends on speed to become sharper. As Gai explains in Episode 67 the secret lies in the speed of the thrust.

I agree whole heartly that it is different, but im saying was the chidori influence by the resangen?? Yes chidori acts like a sword, and stabs you with chakra. Also your comparing the perfect resangen while i'm comparing it to an incomplete resangen. You debate that chidori depends on the speed of the user right. Well if your standing still with chidori and just try to hit you enemy what will happen. Nothing or will it act like a incomplete resangen?? who knows .... not i. but anyway from wha i understood (i could be wrong). As you increase your speed chidori becomes shaper so if you slow down you'll have a blob of chakra in you hand. Also remember in the same show esp 67 when sasuke first power up chidori. If you were to look at the wall you notice that it made a circle indent on the wall. if it wa just a sword it would be more like a square or diamond shape. Also ... another thing that simliar is that both techinques could bascially cut thru anythign.

it all i got to say ...

[EroKage]

no i asked a friend of mine his opinion after seeing your thread and he told me that sharingan can see a persons chakra flow and if you notice after he unvails you see lee's chakra flowing...so that's it...he wasnt copying anything..he just wanted to see what lee was doing...

[3D Master]

no i asked a friend of mine his opinion after seeing your thread and he told me that sharingan can see a persons chakra flow and if you notice after he unvails you see lee's chakra flowing...so that's it...he wasnt copying anything..he just wanted to see what lee was doing...
He might be able to see Chakra flow that causes effect outside the body, but not fully internal chakra flows. It's very clearly stated and show that Byakugan can do that, and not the Sharingan.

[klinopia]

though i thought the gate manipulation cannot be copied cause it issint a jutsu... well it issint right?

[Kami-Sama]

well i'm not going to argue if kakashi copied the opening of the gates or not but in fact he can open some of the gates at least the first one...in one ep(dont remember which one now) when he's climbing the mountain with one hand tied behind his back .. kakashi releases a gate to keep up going up... that he copied or not .. cant be sure .. but he can open the gates

[PanzerKunstMaster]

i cant remember if this is in the manga, but in the anime i remember kakashi opening a gate whilst doing the one armed mountain climbing. i'd bet my left nut he can open a few gates but i reckon only gai could open all 8

[EroKage]

look at it this way...how could he know that lee was opening the gates???if he was copying it that means he didnt know the move...but he did know the move because he had already seen Gai doing it...so no he didnt copy it...

[Noex]

i cant remember if this is in the manga, but in the anime i remember kakashi opening a gate whilst doing the one armed mountain climbing. i'd bet my left nut he can open a few gates but i reckon only gai could open all 8


intresting, theory, i dont remember it, but i think its when he´s about 2 start training Sasuke for the exxam :)

[mow]

It seemed like kakashi copied the 8 gate from lee during the prelimenary exams vs gaara. remeber he showed his sharingan eye. correct me if Im wrong :D

[Maniz]

i cant remember if this is in the manga, but in the anime i remember kakashi opening a gate whilst doing the one armed mountain climbing. i'd bet my left nut he can open a few gates but i reckon only gai could open all 8

No, he didn't open any gates, he just concentrated, since it had been a while since he last trained like that. kakashi as far as we know it, can't open any gates, but he has probably seen Gai do it and knows about it.

It seemed like kakashi copied the 8 gate from lee during the prelimenary exams vs gaara. remeber he showed his sharingan eye. correct me if Im wrong

He just used his Sharingan to confirm his theory: that Lee could open Gates.

[Kiosuke]

No, he didn't open any gates, he just concentrated, since it had been a while since he last trained like that. kakashi as far as we know it, can't open any gates, but he has probably seen Gai do it and knows about it.



He just used his Sharingan to confirm his theory: that Lee could open Gates.

How do you know that's the only thing he did, there is no proof that Kakashi didn't copy it, and why would he keep his sharingan eye unvailed if he already knew he could open the gates? You know it drains energy to have his eye out from the early episodes with Zabuza.

I personaly think he knows it, or learned it from Lee

Also after Lee little show he put the headband right back over his eye, Kakashi is one slick Mother....shut yo mouth

[3D Master]

How do you know that's the only thing he did, there is no proof that Kakashi didn't copy it, and why would he keep his sharingan eye unvailed if he already knew he could open the gates? You know it drains energy to have his eye out from the early episodes with Zabuza.

I personaly think he knows it, or learned it from Lee

Also after Lee little show he put the headband right back over his eye, Kakashi is one slick Mother....shut yo mouth
The Sharingan cannot copy opening the gates, because it's done all internally. A Byakugan user might be able to learn how to open the gates if he looked at someone doing it, but not a Sharingan user, the Sharingan doesn't give that kind of insight. In fact he didn't even see Lee opening the gates he jus saw that they were open. That's what he used it for, to check if Lee had opened the gates, he could see from the outward signs Lee had done it.

[Kiosuke]

The Sharingan cannot copy opening the gates, because it's done all internally. A Byakugan user might be able to learn how to open the gates if he looked at someone doing it, but not a Sharingan user, the Sharingan doesn't give that kind of insight. In fact he didn't even see Lee opening the gates he jus saw that they were open. That's what he used it for, to check if Lee had opened the gates, he could see from the outward signs Lee had done it.

if he could see it from outward why use the sharingan if what you sad is true and he can't see what's happening in your body internaly. that doesn't make sense friend. Explain to me aswell why he had his sharingan out after noticing that the gates were open, as I said before it drains energy and he put his headband over his head right after Lee finished his final technique

I do understand wat ure saying about the sharingan though, maybe he didn't copy the eight gates though...maybe it was the rendan (combo) instead

[chiko06]

i think he was just lookin at lee to make sure what he was sayin was tru

[Kreen_Warrior]

The Sharingan cannot copy opening the gates, because it's done all internally. A Byakugan user might be able to learn how to open the gates if he looked at someone doing it, but not a Sharingan user, the Sharingan doesn't give that kind of insight. In fact he didn't even see Lee opening the gates he jus saw that they were open. That's what he used it for, to check if Lee had opened the gates, he could see from the outward signs Lee had done it.Why do you say the Sharingan doesn't give that type of insight? The Sharingan allows you to copy techniques, and I think a technique requires more than just the hand seals, so likely the Sharingan can copy internal abilities as well.

What's with all the resistance to Kakashi being able to open the gates? It's only reasonable to assume he can. I mean, why not? If anything, I'd bet it's one of the techniques written on the Scroll of Seals that Naruto stole in the beginning of the series. As it's straight body control, it's probably reasonably easy to teach, though hard to execute, and I'd imagine most jounins are taught how to do it, it's too useful of a move not to be able to pull off when it's necessary. And if it's not that well known, how the frell does Kakashi know exactly how it works.

[bluewolf]

Why do you say the Sharingan doesn't give that type of insight? The Sharingan allows you to copy techniques, and I think a technique requires more than just the hand seals, so likely the Sharingan can copy internal abilities as well.

... hand techniques are like majic words... the sheringan allow you to repeat any magic words (hand technique) you see.. or even any dance step (general action or movement like kicks, and flips) you see as long as you have the actuall muscel, stamina, chakra etc.. to do it.

however... opening the inner gates is differnt than that... its kind of like singing... I understand the concept of singing but even if i can copy every move you make the sheringan are not going to teach me how to manipulate my vocal coards, understand tones and cadence and all the other things it takes to sing.

IF Kakashi can do it it is not something he learned from his sheringan. he can prolly do it but i dont think he can do it to the level that Gai or Rock Lee can.

[3D Master]

... hand techniques are like majic words... the sheringan allow you to repeat any magic words (hand technique) you see.. or even any dance step (general action or movement like kicks, and flips) you see as long as you have the actuall muscel, stamina, chakra etc.. to do it.

however... opening the inner gates is differnt than that... its kind of like singing... I understand the concept of singing but even if i can copy every move you make the sheringan are not going to teach me how to manipulate my vocal coards, understand tones and cadence and all the other things it takes to sing.
Exactly, besides Kakashi said it himself when Neji fought: Byakugan allows the user to see inside the body, to see the chakra flows there, to see the tenketsu, and to see much much more. His Sharingan he said, didn't allow for that kind of insight.

What a Sharingan user sees is the energy / chakra flows OUTSIDE of the body, and from that it can digest what the technique requires to work. Also see Sasuke using his sharingan in ep 103, what you saw was the chakra out of the body, compare that with the Byakugan when you see the energy pathways and knots inside of the body.

[chiko06]

So the sharingan can copy anything but other advance bloodline jutsu??

[absolutezero]

does kakashi have a brother?????????????? it'd be cool though!!

[3D Master]

So the sharingan can copy anything but other advance bloodline jutsu??
No, opening the gates isn't a bloodline and the Sharingan can't copy it.

[chiko06]

I though so .. i wasnt sure, but can it copy lee movements?? And if so can he train to get lee speed just like sasuke did??

[stormrunner]

Well sasuke copied lee moves before the chunnin exam remember. So he can copy moves. The only reason lee beat sasuke is cuz lee was soo fast sasuke body could not keep up.

On another note .... me and my roommate we thinking about rasengan and the chidori. jiraya taught the 4th the rasengan right ... and the fourth was kakashi's sensei so you know that the rasengan is a high level technique what if kakashi couldn't learn the resangen and came up with chidori. He probably saw the 4th using it and tried to learn it and since he couldnt complete all the step he came up with his own version chidori.... farfetch you tell me if im wrong or is there something that would disprove this.They say it in the show that Chidori is Kakashi's own technique. That means that he knew it before he started to copy or learn jutsus.

[stormrunner]

I was lookin through some of my old favorite eps. and who could forget Gaara vs. Lee. But, me and my friend noticed something while watching those two emmy winning eps. Kakashi notices how quickly Lee heals and Unvails his sharingan. Then he asks Gai, "You, you...showed him how to release the eight Gates of Kimon!" I'm like wait what just happened? Then I rewind it and it surely does look like Kakashi copied Ura Renge!

Do you think it is possible to copy the legendary kinjutsu ( forbidden technique ) ?!? :confused:

Also, do you think it's possible to use sharingan to copy ninjutsus with sharingan that don't use hand seals?
Kakashi, i believe that he knows how to open the eight gates, but he choose not to since that means risking his life. As for the Ura renge, it is a technique, so i believe that Kakashi has copied it if he saw it with his Sharingan.

[HeHateMe]

I doubt Kishimoto will ever really reveal if Kakashi knows the eight gates technique, it's like overlapping several characters into one. So, even if Kakashi knows the technique, it won't be shown, it takes away from Gai's character, so think about it: it's like making Naruto have both Rasengan and Chidori in a storytelling setting.

[EroKage]

No, he didn't open any gates, he just concentrated, since it had been a while since he last trained like that. kakashi as far as we know it, can't open any gates, but he has probably seen Gai do it and knows about it.



He just used his Sharingan to confirm his theory: that Lee could open Gates.

i dont agree with you that he didnt open the gates...of course he can also open gates...but i do agree when you say he didnt copy lee....if he was copying he wouldnt have become all :eek: "you thaught him how to open the gates?"that means he already new the move and had probably already copied it...if he didnt know the move he wouldnt have gotten all :eek: because he wouldnt know its consequences...


SO DONT CONTINUE ON DISCUSSING

THERE IS NO NEED FOR IT.... :mad:

[Maniz]

i dont agree with you that he didnt open the gates...of course he can also open gates...but i do agree when you say he didnt copy lee....if he was copying he wouldnt have become all "you thaught him how to open the gates?"that means he already new the move and had probably already copied it...if he didnt know the move he wouldnt have gotten all because he wouldnt know its consequences...

seems like u misunderstood, I too belive that Kakashi CAN open the Gates, but I doubt he did it when he went mountain-climbing! that's all i'm saying.

if he could see it from outward why use the sharingan if what you sad is true and he can't see what's happening in your body internaly. that doesn't make sense friend. Explain to me aswell why he had his sharingan out after noticing that the gates were open, as I said before it drains energy and he put his headband over his head right after Lee finished his final technique

If you've watched the latest episode in the series(and many other eps.), you would have known that the Sharingan can see chackra. Sasuke uses it all the time, for example to see the Bunshins (who is fake, and who is real) but, the Sharingan cannot see the chackra-circulatory-system like the Byakugan. Kakashi used the Sharingan to see if Lee's chackra had grown as a result of an opened Gate. the reason for him to keep his Sharingan out is probably better vision of the match, since the Sharingan let's you focus your eye on a person or item.

[Kreen_Warrior]

... hand techniques are like majic words... the sheringan allow you to repeat any magic words (hand technique) you see.. or even any dance step (general action or movement like kicks, and flips) you see as long as you have the actuall muscel, stamina, chakra etc.. to do it. The problem with that theory is that it doesn't explain why any jutsus are hard to do. As long as you learn all the basic seals, each genin should be able to perform dozens of techniques, but that's plainly not the case. Also, it would mean that anyone could use Bloodline limits, all they'd have to do would be to do the hand gestures. Plainly there's something else besides hand movements going on.

They say it in the show that Chidori is Kakashi's own technique. That means that he knew it before he started to copy or learn jutsus.he might have created it after he started copying, no reason why he couldn't.

No, opening the gates isn't a bloodline and the Sharingan can't copy it. We really have no evidence that he can't copy it.

[Genma]

i dont think kakashi's sharingan can copy that complicated of a move. it requires special intunement with the body to open up the gates.

[JayoxD]

yeah i dont think so but it probably is possible

[Sakashi]

lol... kakashi is probably gonna open up all eight gates to defeat the new ochimaru(appears in chp 234). Then Kakashi is gonna die(my prediciton), naruto goes agro and turns super saiyan, defeats ochimaru, end of story. =.= hope not..... i want naruto to go on for ever!! (probably not as long as pokemon, going that long just makes it gay)

[Maniz]

The problem with that theory is that it doesn't explain why any jutsus are hard to do. As long as you learn all the basic seals, each genin should be able to perform dozens of techniques, but that's plainly not the case. Also, it would mean that anyone could use Bloodline limits, all they'd have to do would be to do the hand gestures. Plainly there's something else besides hand movements going on.

I agree. The only info we have is that the Sharingan can make a person understand any Jutsu he looks at. But since the Gate opening is not a Jutsu, we can't know whether he can copy it or not.

[dryller]

Kakashi actually did copy Lee's technique. When he was rock climbing after the prelims, he used the technique since he was about to fall to reach the top.

[Maniz]

Kakashi actually did copy Lee's technique. When he was rock climbing after the prelims, he used the technique since he was about to fall to reach the top.

How can you know that? To me it just looked like he consentrated... and second, if the Sharingan can copy the Gate-Opening, then he probably copied it from Gai at a much earlier time...

[Raegan]

Why do you say the Sharingan doesn't give that type of insight? The Sharingan allows you to copy techniques, and I think a technique requires more than just the hand seals, so likely the Sharingan can copy internal abilities as well.

What's with all the resistance to Kakashi being able to open the gates? It's only reasonable to assume he can. I mean, why not? If anything, I'd bet it's one of the techniques written on the Scroll of Seals that Naruto stole in the beginning of the series. As it's straight body control, it's probably reasonably easy to teach, though hard to execute, and I'd imagine most jounins are taught how to do it, it's too useful of a move not to be able to pull off when it's necessary. And if it's not that well known, how the frell does Kakashi know exactly how it works.

this is the same argument as whether or not sharingan can copy rasengan, which i'd like to add IMO, tat the answer is no, since sharingan lacks the insight to observe internal chakra flow, unlike byakugan

[OroKage]

I think copying gate opening using Sharingan requires Itachi-level mastery. So, Kakashi did not copy gate opening.

[theoneandonly]

Kakashi can copy jutsu(s). But can he copy the magenkyou sharingan?

[Raegan]

Kakashi can copy jutsu(s). But can he copy the magenkyou sharingan?

OF COURSE NOT! dude, magenkyou sharingan is a bloodline limit ability, no way kakashi can copy it!

[chiko06]

At what age did kakashi get the sharingan??

[Raegan]

don't think anime has yet to reveal to us when and how he got the sharingan. cant say for manga cos haven't read it.

[Shrimpie]

Manga hasn't said it as well, both talk a lot about (Uchiha???) Obito

[Shidoshi]

I would guess that Kakashi removed his hitai-ate from his sharingan just to see Lee's movement. Since Kakashi has a mastered Sharingan, he is able to see the movements of something that's much faster than himself (as evidenced by Sasuke even getting anywhere near to seeing Haku's speed who was much faster than his normal eyes could see).

During Lee's Ura and Omote Renge, he was probably moving too fast for Kakashi's normal eye to see, so he used his Sharingan to see.

It's like when Sasuke fought against Haku; just because his sharingan doesn't allow him to copy the Demonic Ice Mirrors, doesn't mean he can't still use his sharingan to follow Haku's movements while using the jutsu. The sharingan can copy any movement it sees, and since Kakashi wasn't fighting Lee at that time, he wouldn't have to worry about physically keeping up with Lee.

As far as the Celestial Gates, he's opened one. Kishimoto draws a ninja focusing chakra different than one forcing chakra to open a gate. Opening one gate only gives you an extra 10% muscular potential usage increase, so it's not out the realm of possibility that Kakashi opened a single gate to finish climbing up a mountain side using one arm.

[Raegan]

gotta agree with shidoshi with this one, no reason for kishimoto to draw up a scene like tat if it wasnt to show tat kakashi can open up gates. unless if the motive behind tat scene is to illustrate tat climbing up mountains with one hand is one of kakashi's many hobbies.

[OroKage]

gotta agree with shidoshi with this one, no reason for kishimoto to draw up a scene like tat if it wasnt to show tat kakashi can open up gates. unless if the motive behind tat scene is to illustrate tat climbing up mountains with one hand is one of kakashi's many hobbies.
The motive of that scene was to show that Kakashi was not at peak physical condition at that time (he was worried that he might have to fight Kabuto and/or Orochimaru soon). He said something like: "This (climbing that mountain) is harder than before". If he was at physical peak, he can climb that mountain without using up chakra but he had to release chakra to boost his strength.

[Raegan]

The motive of that scene was to show that Kakashi was not at peak physical condition at that time (he was worried that he might have to fight Kabuto and/or Orochimaru soon). He said something like: "This (climbing that mountain) is harder than before". If he was at physical peak, he can climb that mountain without using up chakra but he had to release chakra to boost his strength.

even if he wasn't at optimum physical conditions at tat time, it's still possible tat he opened up a gate to boost his strength instead of jus a normal release of chakra.

[OroKage]

even if he wasn't at optimum physical conditions at tat time, it's still possible tat he opened up a gate to boost his strength instead of jus a normal release of chakra.
If Kakashi can open gates, then why did he not open 5 or 6 gates when he was fighting Itachi. Speed is the key in defeating a Sharingan user right? Why did he try to use Sharingan when he knew that Itachi's Sharinagn is at a higher level than his? Because he has no other choice(he CAN'T open gates).

[Raegan]

If Kakashi can open gates, then why did he not open 5 or 6 gates when he was fighting Itachi. Speed is the key in defeating a Sharingan user right? Why did he try to use Sharingan when he knew that Itachi's Sharinagn is at a higher level than his? Because he has no other choice(he CAN'T open gates).

though we say that he can open gates, it's unknown abt the specific number of gates he can open. who knows, his limit maybe less than 5. furthermore, opening 5 or more gates isn't something tat can be achieved in seconds, u'll probably need full concentration and qutie a bit of time(as displayed by lee), something tat kakashi could never afford when dealing with itachi and kirasame at the same time.

Speed is the key in defeating a Sharingan user right? ur probably rite

Why did he try to use Sharingan when he knew that Itachi's Sharinagn is at a higher level than his? cos it's the next best defence compared to high speed tat kakashi can afford to use at a dangerous situation like tat, even if itachi's sharingan is at a higher level than kakashi's.

[Maniz]

I you borth (Raegan and OroKage) have some good points here... Kakashi might not be able to open many gates, and perhaps he can't opan them at all... second, opening gates isn't something you do without consecuences, look at what happened to Lee... I guess we can't know whether or not Kakashi can open gates yet

[HemiBijin]

i think kakashi can open at least one of the gates... i think he did that when he was doing the rock climbning whit one hand.

[Shidoshi]

If Kakashi can open gates, then why did he not open 5 or 6 gates when he was fighting Itachi. Speed is the key in defeating a Sharingan user right? Why did he try to use Sharingan when he knew that Itachi's Sharinagn is at a higher level than his? Because he has no other choice(he CAN'T open gates).
Speed is only the key to defeating a sharingan user who's physically slower than you are, in the sense that though they can still see your movements with the sharingan, they're not physically capable of reacting to what they see. Itachi has no problem keeping up physically with anyone (except for Gai, perhaps).

Itachi's sharingan isn't at a "higher level". Kakashi's sharingan is as mastered as Itachi's normal one. The reason Kakashi used his sharingan was because the only real way to defeat a mastered sharingan is with another one, but he didn't know about Itachi's Mangekyo Sharingan, which has all of those nifty bloodline moves like the Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu. He found out first hand what that mistake was...

[AnbuAlpha]

I think all of you are missing the point. I believe Kakashi uncovered his sharingan for Lee's sake to monitor his condition, since the sharingan allows him to understand the jutsu and see it. If you think about it kakashi kept saying how dangerous a jutsu opening the life gates and the primary lotus is and how Gai shouldn't have taught him that.

[chiko06]

I think all of you are missing the point. I believe Kakashi uncovered his sharingan for Lee's sake to monitor his condition, since the sharingan allows him to understand the jutsu and see it. If you think about it kakashi kept saying how dangerous a jutsu opening the life gates and the primary lotus is and how Gai shouldn't have taught him that.

i think he has a good point ...

[Shidoshi]

I think all of you are missing the point. I believe Kakashi uncovered his sharingan for Lee's sake to monitor his condition, since the sharingan allows him to understand the jutsu and see it. If you think about it kakashi kept saying how dangerous a jutsu opening the life gates and the primary lotus is and how Gai shouldn't have taught him that.
I'm more inclined to believe that Kakashi used his sharingan because his normal eye couldn't follow Lee's movements, and that he knows of the dangers of the opening multiple gates because he himself can likely open some, being a Jounin.

[itachi46]

loll thats a great theory i read the exact same thign in some other pfurm any ways wat i'd find funny woudld be kishimoto lurking somehwerein this forum leeches theories :p haha

[itadakemasu]

For the original question. I think Kakashi did copy primary lotus when Lee did it. But i dont think that the sharingan is capable of copying the gate opening thingy. I dont see how it would be possible for him to do that. Sharingan doesnt let u see the tenketsu or anything like a Byakugan does. But i still think that a ninja as advanced as Kakashi can do it anyway - as in he learnt how to before.

[Chiba1800]

Kakshi can open one gate for sure which he learned from Gai. If he was copying it from Lee during the exam he would not know what it was, not to mention it does happen internally and can't be copied by the sharingan.He brought out (Obito's?) eye to see the movemnets of Lee because he normal eye couldn't keep up.

[Raegan]

Kakshi can open one gate for sure which he learned from Gai. If he was copying it from Lee during the exam he would not know what it was, not to mention it does happen internally and can't be copied by the sharingan.He brought out (Obito's?) eye to see the movemnets of Lee because he normal eye couldn't keep up.

hey isn't this the konoha tv forum, where ur not suppose reveal manga plot spoilers, no offence to chiba cos he's not the onli one but thanx to certain ppl, i now "know" tat obito is an uchiha and kakashi's eye "came" from obito, WHICH AS A ANIME WATCHER AND NON-MANGA READER, I HAD COMPLETELY NO IDEA OF BEFORE!

thanks a lot guys...

[Shidoshi]

hey isn't this the konoha tv forum, where ur not suppose reveal manga plot spoilers, no offence to chiba cos he's not the onli one but thanx to certain ppl, i now "know" tat obito is an uchiha and kakashi's eye "came" from obito, WHICH AS A ANIME WATCHER AND NON-MANGA READER, I HAD COMPLETELY NO IDEA OF BEFORE!

thanks a lot guys...
Don't sweat it...they don't even "know" that for sure either. It's one of those rumors that get started and if enough people say it, it becomes "fact".

Us manga readers don't know where Kakashi got his eye from either.

[Raegan]

Don't sweat it...they don't even "know" that for sure either. It's one of those rumors that get started and if enough people say it, it becomes "fact".

Us manga readers don't know where Kakashi got his eye from either.

Hey, my apologies then.

[shinkaiserX2]

even if he did copy ura renge he cant run as fast as lee or gai ( can he?@@? ) so he wont be able to use it effectively and i dont think he will want to risk opening the 8 gates of heaven giving itachi a happy long opening to send me to a nice little place to be poked by a sword :D

[Kiosuke]

He brought out (Obito's?) eye to see the movemnets of Lee because he normal eye couldn't keep up.

Heh, is Obita Kakashi's friend who died that he visits every morning at the cost of being late to every single thing on his schedule, if so, then I think that it's his eye as well.

Obito Uchiha...sounds good to me