T-800 vs. RoboCop

[Comic Book Guy]

Disregard the YouTube fanmovie and the Dark Horse comics.

No weapons.

Both in-character.

The T-800 is from Terminator 2, not 1.

Battlefield is a mall.

Who do you think wins between the two?

[Vynjira]

Disregard the YouTube fanmovie and the Dark Horse comics.

No weapons.

Both in-character.

The T-800 is from Terminator 2, not 1.

Battlefield is a mall.

Who do you think wins between the two?While T-800 is more durable, Murphy is very resourceful and there is lil doubt in my mind that he could stop T-800. I mean granted this is the Second movie's T-800 and he proved to be alot more resourceful than the first one but the T-800 was destroyed in 1, 2 and 3. Which doesn't say much for his ability to destroy powerful adversaries. Their both without weapons which gives T-800 the advantage because even if they had weapons Murphy wasn't gonna do much against T-800 with them.

Simply Murphy can take alot and is too resourceful, IMO. While Arnold may be more durable its not beyond Murphy to figure out a way to damage T-800.

EDIT: Despite T-800's ability to learn and adapt the process is fairly slow to prove a threat to RoboCop.

[Thanatos]

I mean granted this is the Second movie's T-800 and he proved to be alot more resourceful than the first one but the T-800 was destroyed in 1, 2 and 3.

To be fair, he chose to destroy himself in number 2 so that the chip could never be used improperly.

[Psysalis]

the fight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGva3yU8RZw)

there ya go lol

[Thanatos]

the fight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGva3yU8RZw)

there ya go lol

You know, the OP did say to disregard that.

[Vynjira]

To be fair, he chose to destroy himself in number 2 so that the chip could never be used improperly.To be fair he was already mostly destroyed and knew that his eventual system failure would make his chip vulnerable. He just decided he should terminate his chip so it wouldn't happen when his reserve power ran out. He was severely damaged before he made that decision.

[Birkin]

T-800 is liquid, does Robocop have the means to destroy him?

[Thanatos]

T-800 is liquid, does Robocop have the means to destroy him?

Wrong Terminator.

[Vynjira]

T-800 is liquid, does Robocop have the means to destroy him?Wrong Model,
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/44/Terminator1001.jpg
This is who your thinking of.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b3/T-1000.gif

[Id]

Does the T-800 has the AI enabled or disabled?
If Enabled…..And how long would he have had the AI enabled?

[Tsukiyomi]

The thing to remember is that the T-800 is made from technology from the future, capable of independent thought and learning, its a far more advanced machine then robocop.

Not to mention the fact Robocop is programmed to be a cop, a lot of his systems are designed towards that end. He'll reason with someone before killing them. The Terminator on the other hand is built for one purpose, killing as many people as it can as fast as it can. Its a war machine. All his systems are designed towards being a killer.

I give this to the T-800.

[Vynjira]

Does the T-800 has the AI enabled or disabled?
If Enabled…..And how long would he have had the AI enabled?

Its enabled because its T2, however dunno how long its been enabled.

[Vynjira]

The thing to remember is that the T-800 is made from technology from the future, capable of independent thought and learning, its a far more advanced machine then robocop.

Not to mention the fact Robocop is programmed to be a cop, a lot of his systems are designed towards that end. He'll reason with someone before killing them. The Terminator on the other hand is built for one purpose, killing as many people as it can as fast as it can. Its a war machine. All his systems are designed towards being a killer.

I give this to the T-800.

Might wanna look back at the first post, this is the reprogrammed T-800 from the second movie, and they are both in Character. So rip out all that talk about killing as many people as possible. That and his design was one of the assassins not the full blown combat types. RoboCop isn't exactly low-tech.

As demonstrated in RoboCop 1 the body armor can sustain thousands of armor-piercing rounds before damage begins to appear on the armor itself. Since they are both disallowed weapons it really comes down to their combat abilities and resourcefulness which T-800 is kinda lacking in.

[Id]

The thing to remember is that the T-800 is made from technology from the future, capable of independent thought and learning, its a far more advanced machine then robocop.

Not to mention the fact Robocop is programmed to be a cop, a lot of his systems are designed towards that end. He'll reason with someone before killing them. The Terminator on the other hand is built for one purpose, killing as many people as it can as fast as it can. Its a war machine. All his systems are designed towards being a killer.

I give this to the T-800.

I pretty much agree with you on this.
I favor T-800 for the same reasons.
But its still going to be a hard fight. Its strictly a fist fight (per say). And T-800 does not have on file, any information on Robocop.

Um…..I’m sure durability goes to T-800, but Robocop still has the “Claw”, that he uses for stabbing and hacking.

But then again durability plays a huge factor, and Robocop has some organic exposed, plus organic internal.

In any case, I still favor T-800
Its enabled because its T2, however dunno how long its been enabled.

There is a scene that was cut out in Terminator 2, ware they enabled T-800 AI.
So I suppose that Skynet limit’s the function of T-800 AI by disabling them, to limit its self aware.

So I wasn’t sure, if it was going to be enabled from the get go.

[Xell]

The thing to remember is that the T-800 is made from technology from the future, capable of independent thought and learning, its a far more advanced machine then robocop.

Not to mention the fact Robocop is programmed to be a cop, a lot of his systems are designed towards that end. He'll reason with someone before killing them. The Terminator on the other hand is built for one purpose, killing as many people as it can as fast as it can. Its a war machine. All his systems are designed towards being a killer.

I give this to the T-800.


Brilliant! I agree with this.

[Vynjira]

Um…..I’m sure durability goes to T-800, but Robocop still has the “Claw”, that he uses for stabbing and hacking.

So I wasn’t sure, if it was going to be enabled from the get go.What I mean is its enabled because its the self aware Arnold T-800 not the unaware T-800 from the first movie.

As for durability it does go to T-800 like I said earlier, but RoboCop as I've said is more than capable of using things in the environment surrounding him to aid in his fight. Granted RoboCop will try to reason with him for a few seconds but RoboCop is known to be rather short when it comes to telling someone to stand down.

[Id]

If this is end of movie T-800. T-800 self aware is immense.
The information gathered by his AI would be enough to rival a human.
Its combat capabilities and resourcefulness would go to T-800 as well. (because of his built in programming, add along its AI)
Not only that, Fluid movements seems to be on T-800 favor as well.

Um…..T-800 was forbid to end life’s because of John Connors command. Technically Robocop is dead (I think). I do not really see why, T-800 would be hindered in terminating Robocop from the start of the match.

[jplaya2023]

we havent seen enough of t800 to be certain.

[Id]

At the abandoned gas station, Sarah and John talk with the T-800 about learning. He tells them that his CPU was switched to read-only before being sent out. Cyberdyne doesn't want them to learn too much while on the own. John asks can it be switched and he says yes. You then see the T-800's face in a ''mirror'' talking Sarah through the procedure. After the CPU is removed, the T-800 shuts-down and Sarah places it on a table. She picks up a hammer and tries to smash it to render him inoperative. John stops her and says they need him. He starts to show authority for the first time and says to Sarah, ''How am I supposed to be a world leader if my own mother won't listen to me?''


Ah here it is. Most T-800 do come with a limited self awareness system. It can be switched to full mode.
Thus enabling its full functions. (I am such a Terminator/Robocop geekXD)

[Vynjira]

If this is end of movie T-800. T-800 self aware is immense.
The information gathered by his AI would be enough to rival a human.
Its combat capabilities and resourcefulness would go to T-800 as well. (because of his built in programming, add along its AI)
Not only that, Fluid movements seems to be on T-800 favor as well.

Um…..T-800 was forbid to end life’s because of John Connors command. Technically Robocop is dead (I think). I do not really see why, T-800 would be hindered in terminating Robocop from the start of the match.If you remember T-800 needed commands for alot of things, he wasn't aggressive he was merely defensive. When he was told to do something it was in an aggressive manor til Conner commanded him otherwise. RoboCop isn't dead either that was the point of the first movie was that Murphy was still inside RoboCop. In addition RoboCop isn't made of glass he can take hits just as easily as T-800 for the most part RoboCop is like 2 steps down in the physical department and 2 steps up on the intelligence and Resourcefulness.

Ah here it is. Most T-800 do come with a limited self awareness system. It can be switched to full mode.
Thus enabling its full functions. (I am such a Terminator/Robocop geekXD)I've said like 2 times already it was enabled....

[Sengoku]

T-800 shoots robocop's mouth area and severs his spinal cord.

[Id]

If you remember T-800 needed commands for alot of things, he wasn't aggressive he was merely defensive. When he was told to do something it was in an aggressive manor til Conner commanded him otherwise.


I don’t remember T-800 being reprogrammed not to kill.
Just the T-800 reprogrammed to server John.
Plus that scene served as a purpose. To show that T-800 will follow Johns commands, regardless of initial programming. This is backed up by, asking why is it bad to kill.
So I am not surprised that T-800 in T2 did not go full killer, like the one in T1.

In addition RoboCop isn't made of glass he can take hits just as easily as T-800 for the most part RoboCop is like 2 steps down in the physical department and 2 steps up on the intelligence and Resourcefulness.


Following the idea that T-800 is vary much resourceful. Enough to notice that, he has high resistance with his armor plating, yet enough to see there is organic tissue exposed.

I would think that T-800 would have enough force to rip off his jaw, and attempt to further dismember Robocop from their on.

On the other hand, Robocop would have to be aware of T-800 weak spot located in the back of his head.
And fight his way to the back of his head. And see if his “Claw” + Force, is enough to overcome T-800 endoskeleton.

[Vynjira]

I don’t remember T-800 being reprogrammed not to kill.
Just the T-800 reprogrammed to server John.
Plus that scene served as a purpose. To show that T-800 will follow Johns commands, regardless of initial programming. This is backed up by, asking why is it bad to kill.
So I am not surprised that T-800 in T2 did not go full killer, like the one in T1.



Following the idea that T-800 is vary much resourceful. Enough to notice that, he has high resistance with his armor plating, yet enough to see there is organic tissue exposed.

I would think that T-800 would have enough force to rip off his jaw, and attempt to further dismember Robocop from their on.

On the other hand, Robocop would have to be aware of T-800 weak spot located in the back of his head.
And fight his way to the back of his head. And see if his “Claw” + Force, is enough to overcome T-800 endoskeleton.Your also treating it as if RoboCop has no strength or durability of his own... and assuming that T-800 is gonna try to grapple his jaw instead of trying to pop him in the face.

Shit, now we can go back to every fight ever discussed and enter in the jaw snapping scenario and re-decide the out-come based on that..:notrust

[Locard]

Oh c'mon, Robocop is fucking slow.

Arnold is a lot faster and most probably stronger and more durable too.

T-800 FTW

[Id]

Lets not forget that Robocop needs nutrition, to continue to function.
I seriously doubt T-800, going to let him sit down and have a nice meal of gerber and other baby food products.

[Id]

Lets not forget that Robocop needs nutrition, to continue to function.
I seriously doubt T-800, going to let him sit down and have a nice meal of gerber and other baby food products.

[Sesshoumaru]

Might wanna look back at the first post, this is the reprogrammed T-800 from the second movie, and they are both in Character. So rip out all that talk about killing as many people as possible. That and his design was one of the assassins not the full blown combat types. RoboCop isn't exactly low-tech.

As demonstrated in RoboCop 1 the body armor can sustain thousands of armor-piercing rounds before damage begins to appear on the armor itself.

Robocop cannot sustain thousands of armor piercing rounds. If I am not mistaken, it only took one or two of those cannon rounds to disable him. Armor piercing rounds will wear down his armor, also. There is a limit to structural integrity.

[ChipsAndSnacks]

Man....T-800.

If you knocked Robocop on his back, he's as helpless as a turtle like when he fought those samurai robots in Robocop 3

[Vynjira]

Robocop cannot sustain thousands of armor piercing rounds. If I am not mistaken, it only took one or two of those cannon rounds to disable him. Armor piercing rounds will wear down his armor, also. There is a limit to structural integrity.
Cannon Rounds aren't the same as Armor piercing rounds...

[Tsukiyomi]

RoboCop isn't exactly low-tech.

Isn't exactly low tech? You're still comparing modern technology to technology from decades in the future. Regardless of how high tech Robocop is now, the T-800 will always be far more advanced.

[Vynjira]

Isn't exactly low tech? You're still comparing modern technology to technology from decades in the future.Abuh? Modern Tech since when is RoboCop considered modern tech? Also you'd be presuming that the tech level of humanity is the same in two different realities. Future Technology from one reality may very well be vastly inferior to older technology in another reality especially considering the realities aren't even parallel.

[Birkin]

Sorry for misunderstanding on which terminator it was.
But like I was saying, the T-800 is by far more dureable imo and would take Robocop down

[Tsukiyomi]

Abuh? Modern Tech since when is RoboCop considered modern tech?

You're right, he might actually be old tech at this point. Last I checked the original robocop was set in the near future of 1987, as opposed to terminator which takes place partly in 2029 where the terminator is from.

Not to mention that the technology used to build the terminator and skynet was already based off technology from the future (the smashed chip from the original T-800).

Also you'd be presuming that the tech level of humanity is the same in two different realities. Future Technology from one reality may very well be vastly inferior to older technology in another reality especially considering the realities aren't even parallel.

Unless it stated otherwise we have to assume they are the same since they are both said to take place in our world. Its not on some distant planet, its here.

The terminator universe was able to creative sentient learning machines without relying on a human mind. In the robocop world they needed an already existing mind, sounds to me like the terminators are a more impressive show of technology.

[Vynjira]

Unless it stated otherwise we have to assume they are the same since they are both said to take place in our world. Its not on some distant planet, its here.So Naruto's earth, Dragonball's earth, Star Trek's earth and Marvel/DC' earth are of the same technological capacities during the same time frame merely because they all happen on the same world?

No, it is never assumed what the technological capacities are. It cannot be presumed that Naruto's technology in the next 50 years will automatically be greater than say DC's Current technology.

The terminator universe was able to creative sentient learning machines without relying on a human mind. In the robocop world they needed an already existing mind, sounds to me like the terminators are a more impressive show of technology.The Borg Rely on existing minds is their technological abilities less impressive than Terminators?

[Tsukiyomi]

So Naruto's earth, Dragonball's earth, Star Trek's earth and Marvel/DC' earth are of the same technological capacities during the same time frame merely because they all happen on the same world?

Naruto takes place in an alternate universe, not earth. Kishimoto even removed technology from their world.

Dragonball never gives a year and its obviously not our earth, there are talking animals as mayors for christs sake.

Marvel and DC earths have influence from alien technologies and super powered beings.

Start Trek takes place centuries in the future and they strive to keep references to present day (early 21st century) technology as accurate to real life as possible.

No, it is never assumed what the technological capacities are. It cannot be presumed that Naruto's technology in the next 50 years will automatically be greater than say DC's Current technology.

Thats not even close to a valid comparison.

The Borg Rely on existing minds is their technological abilities less impressive than Terminators?

The Borg exist centuries in the future and are an entirely different entity, they have incorporated the characteristics of thousands of races, thus gaining their technology, its not the same.

Making a computer capable of thinking on its own is far more difficult than getting an already thnking mind to use technological enhancements.

[Comic Book Guy]

Actually, with regards to Naruto, they do have basic technology.

Cameras duing the chuunin exam that recorded the Sand Trio's arrival at the tower.

[Vynjira]

Thats not even close to a valid comparison.Altho thats the comparison your attempting to make. RoboCop and Terminator are two different universes. No ifs ands or buts! Earth1's present technology is not automatically < Earth2's Future Technology.
The Borg exist centuries in the future and are an entirely different entity, they have incorporated the characteristics of thousands of races, thus gaining their technology, its not the same.The key in your arguement is that Technology dependent on a Human mind is inferior to creating self aware technology. Which via the Borg is inaccurate, the facts of them being alien and centuries in the future makes no bearing as your statement was that the means of the technology determines the level. Which is untrue.
Making a computer capable of thinking on its own is far more difficult than getting an already thnking mind to use technological enhancements.Is it? Proof? So Apples are better than Oranges?

Start Trek takes place centuries in the future and they strive to keep references to present day (early 21st century) technology as accurate to real life as possible.Actually Star Trek has traveled back in time we got to see on screen the technology level of several time frames which prove my point further.

RoboCop happened in the Near Future of 1987 which means we're living in post RoboCop time frame. So clearly RoboCop doesn't model our time line as we do not have the level of technology RoboCop suggests we have. Terminator however suggests that our level of technology is very similar to ours like Star Treks. However Star Trek's 2024(Shown in DS9's Past Tense) isn't anywhere near the level of technology that Terminator suggests will be in 2029. So its clear the level of technology between Terminator, Star Trek and RoboCop are very different.

Marvel and DC earths have influence from alien technologies and super powered beings.Thats direct Hypocrisy, Terminator's technology is based off Futuristic Technology(As you said). Star Trek's 21st century is different from Terminator's 21st Century which is also different from RoboCop's 21st Century as well as DC's 21st Century. They are all Earth with different levels of Technology. By direct example. No Earth is automatically to be assumed to be the same level of tech just because of their time frames.

[Ion]

Actually, with regards to Naruto, they do have basic technology.

Cameras duing the chuunin exam that recorded the Sand Trio's arrival at the tower.If I'm not mistaken, Team Gai also used mics while on their mission in Wind Country.

[Thanatos]

Not to mention that:

Naruto's track-suit has a zipper (not that modern, but more modern then feudal Japan)
Sakura's house had a tv
Kabuto used computers to analyse Kimimaro's health and produce printouts.


Still a little while away from ST though... :amuse

[Vynjira]

Not to mention that:

Naruto's track-suit has a zipper (not that modern, but more modern then feudal Japan)
Sakura's house had a tv
Kabuto used computers to analyse Kimimaro's health and produce printouts.


Still a little while away from ST though... :amuseThe point is their technology level is different in the same time era as another Earth's would be and that Earth1's Modern Technology isn't automatically < Earth2's Futuristic Technology just because Earth2's technology is from the future doesn't mean its gonna be more advanced than Earth1. Earth1 year 2000 could have space ships while Earth2 year 4000 could still be bound to Earth.

[Thanatos]

Easy there.

I was merely continuing on CBG's point.

[Vynjira]

Easy there.

I was merely continuing on CBG's point...I was just re-affirming my stance before anyone could twist it by your comment to me comparing Naruto and ST...

Not attacking just quoted you and re-affirming to make it clear for the readers ^^;

[Thanatos]

*phew* Oh, right. Thanks for clearing that up then. ^_^

[Vynjira]

Oh, right. Thanks for clearing that up then. ^_^

NP! :hug ^-^;

[Psycho]

chuck norris would win
or predator would win
or robocop (he's to exagerated, but he'd win)

[seifer26]

If there was prep-time, i think maybe Robocop, he's a bit more fickle than T-800.

[Vic Vinegar]

the T-800 is from the future
even though robocop can do some stuff
oytsmart some things
id say T-800