The Hyuugacest FC

[Esmereina]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/sorachi/banner.jpg
Title Banner fanart credits: Kanatamade (http://www.geocities.jp/kanatamade12/top.htm)

Welcome to Hyuugacest FC. This is a club for those who support Hyuuga ships. So far there's Neji/Hinata, Neji/Hanabi, Hinata/Hanabi, and Hizashi/Hiashi. If you happen to be a fan of one of them, or more. Feel free to join.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/sorachi/hishi.jpg / http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/sorachi/nehi.jpg

Rep to abfluvver, for the whole idea of a Hyuugacest club. ^_^

Do note that not all the pairings supported in this fanclub are considered incest by everyone. In the case of NejiHina for example, a number of cultures, including in a number of European countries, do not consider cousin relationships as incest, so please do not flame fans of that pairing on this matter. Then what's the "-cest" for? Well... some of this fanclub's supported pairings, like HizaHia and HinaHana, Would be considered incest, so there you go. As for the genetic argument, do note that scientists have long rejected the genetic argument against cousin marriages, as the increase in risks is actually a lot lower than commonly thought. Claiming that "NejiHina = three-headed babies" is about as accurate as "being gay automatically gives you Aids"... For more on these matters, you can refer to the following essays:

Not all cultures consider cousin marriages as incest (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=2126274&postcount=1414)
A few lessons on Enculturation (http://www.livejournal.com/users/sintari/38287.html#cutid1)
A few facts (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=1899824&postcount=1230)
The increase in genetic risks is a lot lower than often assumed (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=2142515&postcount=1469)
A more in-depth look on Hyuuga genetics (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=649546&postcount=144)

And if you're still not happy: relax! This is a manga! Worst things happen in manga than two consenting adults marrying each other. Nobody's complaining about the fact that kids are killing each other, are they? If you don't like these pairings, just ignore them.

!!! IMPORTANT !!!
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001. Hyourin
002. abfluvver
003. sharingank
004. Hayabusa
005. occasionalutopia
006. Aethos
007. Smiter
008. Meh
009. _Yamanaka_Ino_
010. AznNarutoGrl
011. isentropic
012. Sgt_Frog
013. Inochi no Fushigi
014. Tifaeria
015. HinataFanBoy
016. Ardus
017. kaiyrah
018. Hyuuga-YoungIsh
019. hyuuga2004
020. Venatrix
021. tootaa18
022. Ilovenaruto
023. Rakumaru
024. kanabi
025. Iwonn
026. hinata_kirei
027. Hyuuga Tanoshi
028. Nick Soapdish
029. DivinePunishment
030. Hsien-Ko
031. shinda
032. Prodigy-child
033. Jordy
034. Heldensheld
035. raynarose
036. VSEPR
037. Deathblade
038. iLLESTxBOO
039. nauko
040. Eel_Yumm
041. Rainy Days
042. suki_hikari
043. Shin-Uchiha
044. Sintari
045. DemonEyes
046. nidaba
047. shalei
048. Itatchi_luver_2005
049. nuttdragon
050. Karorine
051. lil-wolf
052. Otome
053. dae_dreamin
054. Chibi Chan
055. azn_lil_babe
056. crystal-kay
057. Jennie-san
058. XxMandaxX
059. Vibracobra
060. vampire shai
061. Becktard
062. Kunoichie
063. Lilica
064. fma_lover15
065. Eirthye
066. TsukasaElkKite
067. MartialHorror
068. Roy
069. Semptimilius
070. ReikaiDemon
071. chuchay
072. happybunny01
073. ZeroxBlade
074. wanderround
075. hasuhana
076. carolinab
077. shoeythoughts
078. Carnith
079. Wolf_Toboe
080. The_Deathberry
081. iocus_theoda
082. organizedcrime
083. Sryche
084. 9Tail-Hokage
085. Hiromi-chan
086. neji-kun
087. White-Fang_KaKashi_UK
088. Hinata-sama
089. *~sakura~*
090. Takagou
091. Knight of Fate
092. Hyuuga_Hanabi
093. Katakoto
094. kame
095. Esha-chan
096. Titan_of_Sound
097. Shugohakke_Hakke
098. ZeonNoMamono
099. Hinano
100. Hyuuga_Taichie
101. NeophyteNihilist
102. gaara_92
103. kinoshi-chan
104. xyie
105. Pez_Dispencer
106. green tea96
107. Flaxen Snail
108. HarunoSakuralove
109. Saskie
110. Gxzero
111. kakashi#231
112. Satsujin_Isa
113. kiba&hinata7
114. Maes Hughes
115. Makoto-Okami
116. Kaze_no_kitsune
117. Kotonoro
118. basye
119. Neji168
120. Neji-Byakugan
121. cerasi
122. [TK]Hinata
123. Cherrihana
124. -Yondaime-
125. Avie
126. ChocoTaco
127. The Acid Tongued Viper
128. .hatake.
129. dEnZeL-kUn
130. lostgeisha
131. Mrs. Uchiha Itachi
132. baka_niz
133. LitaJ
134. maddle-chan
144. Haengbok
145. oeillet
146. lostgeisha
147. prodigious9
148. hanako_yukino
149. jimi shiniami
150. Debra
151. omnichild
152. hanako_yukino
153. Hlomondodeli Majoribanks
154. Mateo Hyuuga
155. Pyroneko 28
156. Lady-Azura
157. Chewbaruuk
158. Eureka-Chan
159. Mireisen
160. Marshie♥
161. TheKID
162. Aya-San
163. Cloud_Nine
164. anBU_YuFFie
165. chemist710
166. Lady-Azura
167. Chibi-Usa
168. MoonLight Dreamer
169. Prim8
170. Kuyybi
171. sayaruTo
172. DestruCtivE.ArT
173. .XxXitachiXxX
174. IndigoSkies
175. gedembol
176. Tornado
177.Oxygen-Pirate
178. Cindy
179. nio-sama
180. SunnyxShine
181. -Neji-
182. Jen Pen
183. Teruame
184. Ramensensei
185. suchika
186. Pinkmint
187. Laine
188. phoenixblood
189. Misery
190. Kat.chan
191. graffiti_18
192. Soraclaws
193. nightmistress
194. xTiiNAx.
195. Saykay
196. Lycoris
197. trunks_lover29
198. Hinaneji
199. Hyuuga_fan
200. Sheltie
201. knight_of_rain
202. Icha-sama
203. kuina
204. Zaxxon
205. zain-za-nara
206. Saigokarasu
207. mist_kunoichi_hitomi
208. Eva Angel
209. Kudamono
210. DISTANTTHUNDER
211. Neschema
212. Lightspeed Suzuka
213. kurai-chan
214. tatsuya
215. CherryGumBall
216. ChibiKibi
217. ArtGoesBoomYeah
218. MissMinnie08
219. Toki-Doki
220. KD_Nutjob
221. neji_tenten15
222. nami
223. Tetsuzaimon
224. Ryukutoshi
225. Isuzu (we miss her alot!)
226. Crisp
227. sonteen12
228. ensetsu
229. HyuugaFan4Life
230. Lilou
231. Zurburt
232. noirnoir
233. SlayerOfTheFallenDream
234. Christ_On_A_2x4
235. UltimateChaos
236. Yuka7
237. Shiron
238. ShinobiOneKenobi
239. Winged Navi
240. darkshine1607
241. Thien Minh
242. GraveDigger21
243. Ghostrain
244. ryujin1
245. Beluga
246. Nehanshouja
247. Esmereina (new owner of FC now)
248. Heart Gaze
249. Jackie
250. Hatsumomo
251. suzuno17
252. {Twilight.Dweller}
253. Neji'sGirL2514
254. SakuraUzumaki
255. Karsh
256. Jenna Berry
257. JhonnyRaincloud
258. karaseechakra
259. Shorties
260. §WhiteShade§
261. CherryPOCKY<3
262. Hyuuga Angelia
263. byakugan_warrior
264. *HINATA*
265. Kiyoshi_Hinata
266. Gaawa-chan
267. Emma♥
268. Uchiha Min-no-ko
269. Nahima
270. Anary-ne
271. Saito
272. mammadog
273. wehaley
274. popyoo~
275. Satsuki_Kitaoji
276. GreenTeaHyuuga
277. Gaara4732
278. Miyuki Nagato
279. CajNatalie
280. Riname
281. megi~♥
282. Karma Monster
283. NejiHinaMyAntiDrug2008
284. xoSaffiRe
285. aoi*
286. Indigo Rose
287. To-to Bear xD
288. Hikari
289. Starlight
290. Jayka
291. Falcom92
292. redhorseman
293. rollingstar
294. Dementia
295. kuraXichy
296. =calexus=\
297. Miyako Hyuuga
298. Kalinade Namikaze
299. Halcyon Nightmare
300. HinaTchii
301. InvisibleAciren
302. angelxdestiny
303. KatanaH
304. SasorisPuppet
305. Kokky
306. Kohaku-Haku
307. sasuhina0894
308. Anime_Fan_4Ever
309. AsahiMikazuki
310. Ayumi00chan
311. toxicPanda
312. cherrymarionette
313. Pika-chan
314. Sasori-puppet#100
315. Reety☆
316. HiroChan (New co-owner ^^)
317. Barby
318. AppleChan
319. AikoHime12
320. Lanna
321. xAngelWingsx
322. okita
323. ShyHinatasama
324. CelUchiha
325. Athena
326. Calix3
327. HyugaProdigy
328. CynthiAngel
329. MariaW
330. Salem
331. sweets
332. KikyouBlossom



+++n a v i g a t i o n+++
( ) Banners (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=490679&postcount=3)
( ) Fanart and Dounjinshi (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=490917&postcount=5)
( ) Essays and Fanfiction (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=499051&postcount=16)
( ) Websites and Resources (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=495903&postcount=8)


Friends With <3
NaruSaku FC (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=415)
The Uchihacest FC (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=70988)
The ShikaIno FC (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=68022)

Want to be friends with us? Just PM me.



I just recently took over Hyuugacest FC... I am pleased to meet you all. If you have been wanting to get on the list please start posting again so that I can tell who is who. :) I will update further later on. Love you all!

[Esmereina]

Banners for member use:
HOST ON YOUR OWN SERVER OR ELSE :C

Hyuugacest Banners (http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k275/Haruno_Sakura_x/HyuugacestBanners/)

I think I need to redo this... but I don't know how to make banners...so if anyone likes to submit some.. i would greatly appreciate it..and then I will fix the url thingy..^_^;

Just PM me the banners whenever you like.:)

[HiroChan]

- - - ESSAYS & FANFICTION - - -

>>>Essays<<<

It's not for the "incest"! (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=2099386&postcount=1347) by Ilovenaruto
They're both sensitive souls (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=2100021&postcount=1350) by Nick Soapdish
It's like watching the sun rise after the storm (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=2100192&postcount=1352) by Mizura
I don't think the other pairings fit (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=2105245&postcount=1368) by Tifaeria
How the hell I ended up here despite myself... (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=2193562&postcount=1584) by resident slug Martial Horror
NejiHina Manifesto (http://www.livejournal.com/community/ship_manifesto/114775.html?style=mine) - by Kaiyrah
Kaleidoscope - an explanation of the NejiHina fandom (http://community.livejournal.com/hyugacest/272451.html#cutid1) - by Mizura
Romeo and Juliet (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=10639671&postcount=9588) - by HyuugaFan4Life


>>>Fanfiction<<<
Everything Happened (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2396247/1/) by Apple
His Time (http://www.livejournal.com/users/ringo_chan/6347.html) by Apple
Unworthy (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2383669/1/) by Apple

Cages and Kindness (http://www.livejournal.com/community/in_my_notebook/5539.html) by ceresi

Prison Keys (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2601877/1/) by Elizabeth Culmer

Roses and Thorns (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2172913/1/) by ewon

Basemates (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2005644/1/) by firefly

Deliverance (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?p=9842205#post9842205) by Hatsumomo

Sight (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2390200/1/) by Hiasobi

Love Letters (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2342050/1/) by jan-i-am

Vortex (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1500884/1/) by jeano

Freedom to Fly (http://www.livejournal.com/users/kaiyrah/44836.html) by kaiyrah
The Simplest Answer (http://www.livejournal.com/community/hyugacest/32789.html#cutid1) by kaiyrah

Get Out of My Head (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2035947/1/) by Kichou

Another Chance (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3527257/) by MissMinnie08

The Sun (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1543388/1/) by Moonsheen

Gravity (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2122123/1/) by paopao

Caged (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2234176/1/) by Persepolis130

In Your Shadows (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2180188/1/) by pretty cherry

The Hyuuga cousins (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2394897/1/) by Ochibisama

Logical Conclusion (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2356653/1/) by Scented Candles
Peripheral Vision (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2343728/1/) by Scented Candles

Hollow (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2158674/1/) by sharingank

Other Men's Wives (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2223866/1/) by Sintari
Rosemary for Remembrance (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2215069/1/) by Sintari
The Eyes I Thought Were You (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2143955/1/) by Sintari

Learning How to Breathe (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1652170/1/) by Sunfreak
This is Not A Love Story (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1694758/1/) by Sunfreak

Finding the Sun (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2352310/1/) by ThyLaSlain

Broken Rules (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2319208/1/) by White Girl

He Said, She Said (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4071483/1/He_Said_She_Said) by enchantedmarshie18

Ikebana (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4039699) by MimozaBlooming

ADDED:

Fate and Destiny (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1649375/1/Fate_and_Destiny) by Solaes

Empty Eyes (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4658418/1/Empty_eyes) by ColourVegan

It Was Necessary (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4419512/1/It_Was_Necessary) by kidscanfly

Scenes From The After Party (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4383891/1/scenes_from_the_after_party) by Urei Sachi
Cemetary Garden (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3920253/1/Cemetery_Garden) by Urei Sachi

Kiss (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3276274/1/Kiss) by Mireisen

Padrona (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4844330/1/Padrona) by miikka-xx

[HiroChan]

- - - FANART AND DOUJINSHI - - -


>>> Fanart <<<
Club Gallery (http://img428.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=nnejhi01040427019aw.jpg)
(Gallery set up by Cheh, Feh and Meh. All images are copyright to their respective artists. Many of them can be found in the links listed below, and you can also find back the links in the comment area of each pic!)

Foreign Fanartist
Notice how many of the above links are hard-to navigate Japanese sites... never fear (too much)!
- Just go to this site: http://www.excite.co.jp/world/english/web/
- Paste the url into the bar,
- and click the second circle on the bottom of the bar for Japanese to English translations.
- Go! ^_^

Hidden Youth 365 (http://karsi.vis.ne.jp/israk/) - don't miss the extras at the bottom of the Pictures section!
Pororoca (http://awatsuki.fc2web.com/index.html) Seiren (http://www.gl.eek.jp/seiren/index0510.html)
Hakke (http://www.hpfree.com/vermilion/8kmt_00-index.html)
tenjo (http://tenjo.eek.jp/ume/)
NejiHina's world (http://www.geocities.jp/hanayamasumomo/) - check out the comics!
Karsi (http://karsi.vis.ne.jp/nejihina2005/) - a NejiHina doujin circle's site.
En-ju (http://enjukt.hp.infoseek.co.jp/menu.html)
Kanatamade (http://www.geocities.jp/kanatamade12/top.htm)
Route to Paradise (http://www.geocities.jp/rouparakuen/top.htm)
Wind Dream (http://page.freett.com/winddream/inform.htm)
Christmas Rose (http://www014.upp.so-net.ne.jp/christmas-rose/)
Milky Cubic (http://milkycubic.fc2web.com/top.html)
MHR (http://mhr.pupu.jp/frameset.htm)
Kazamidori (http://www.geocities.jp/nagi_k_dori/toppage.html)
Invasion-traps (http://homepage3.nifty.com/end-rose/menu.htm)
IQ 18 (http://www.rinku.zaq.ne.jp/bkakg905/) - not really NejiHina, it has both of them though
Moudokucyuui (http://www.geocities.jp/moudokucyuui/)
a NejiHana site (http://nino.m78.com/neji/index2.html) Nekodakuro (http://bx.misty.ne.jp/~nekodakuro/tunagi.htm)
Siranami (http://www.eonet.ne.jp/~konoka/siranami/gacho/gacho.html) NejiHina festival (http://nejihinasai.gozaru.jp/framepage1.html)
Sigma Gayle (http://sigma.gozaru.jp/irasutodayon.html)
Rosen + Kranz (http://hinata.ojiji.net/rosenkranz/barakan.html)
Azuzu (http://web-box.jp/azuzu/g.html)
Were less makeup (http://decopon.cool.ne.jp/index.html)
Neji Hina art (http://www005.upp.so-net.ne.jp/mumps/index.html)
NejiHana (http://yakimesi.com/ma/hana/menu.html)
Supernova (http://santafe.mireene.com/supernova/index.htm)NEW

English Fanartist
Shiawase-chan's DA gallery (http://shiawase-chan.deviantart.com/)
Nio-sama's DA gallery (http://nio-sama.deviantart.com/)
Cherylhew's DA gallery (http://cherylhew.deviantart.com/)


>>> Doujinshi <<<
Doujinshi translation by Hinano (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=2856495&postcount=2945)

[abfluvver]

People should probably know that SasuHina, or NejiSasu, or whatever, can actually be considred Hyuugacest, though very distantly, since the Uchiha and Hyuuga lines were once the same. :oh

[Mizura]

You know... if you're naming the club Hyuugacest (which is fine), maybe you should be renaming the Thread name from Hyuuga-ship to Hyuugacest as well? Just a thought.... You've mispelled members by the way. For the members list.

[Isuzu]

- - - WEBSITES AND RESOURCES - - -

>>> Websites <<<
Kurosaki (http://www.geocities.jp/nechika915/)
Cecil: Hyuuga fansite (http://hyuuga.ainosenshi.net)


>>> Other Communities <<<
Hyugacest@Livejournal (http://www.livejournal.com/community/hyugacest/)
Deviantart NejiHina club (http://nejihina.deviantart.com/)
YouTube NejiHina FC (http://www.youtube.com/group/nejihina)

[BushidoPunk]

Wait what is this? Is it like NejixHinata kind of thing? If so, marrying cousins isn't my kind of thing.

[Mizura]

If you can't rename it... Remake it before it's too late? Ask a mod to delete this one.

[Robo-Pope]

I'm so nice, I edited it for ya.

[BushidoPunk]

Ah, so thats what his club is all about. You sick, sick dog! I don't know where you come from but incest is wrong :nono

DIRTY PERVERTS!

[Mizura]

Will someone please tell that baka that cousin x cousin relationships aren't considered incest in every part of the world, and that it was actually very common for noble families (whether in Europe or in Asia) to intermarry? geez. -_- *twitch* That said, Hyuugacest has a nice ring to it.

[Jackal Iscariot]

oh..a new hinata fc?
...
wth? :blink
nejiXhinata?......erhm.....normally i would support these kind of things but...
this seems just wrong somehow...anyway i wish you guys all the lukc on the world...
hope your club goes well

ps: No, i dont wanna join

[sharingank]

OMG OMG OMG!!! I LOVE HYUUGACEST!!!! WHEEEEE!!! *happy dances* They are like, the most crack of the crack pairings. *drools* XD I am so joining! XD Oh, and I did write a fanfic with them. ^^

Here's the link. It's called Hollow. It's also up at aff.net (ff.net is minus the lemon). XD

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2158674/1/

[Hayabusa]

Lemme in. This is weird but cool.

[HinataFanBoy]

oh..a new hinata fc?
...
wth? :blink
nejiXhinata?......erhm.....normally i would support these kind of things but...
this seems just wrong somehow...anyway i wish you guys all the lukc on the world...
hope your club goes well

ps: No, i dont wanna join
well well wellm the perverted master has his limits eh?

YAY HYUUGACEST!
if neone can tell me what needs improvements or ya dun mind using it as it is now, then be my guest
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/NMmember/Photoshop/HyuugaCestFC2.png

[Phosphorus]

well well wellm the perverted master has his limits eh?

YAY HYUUGACEST!
if neone can tell me what needs improvements or ya dun mind using it as it is now, then be my guest
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/NMmember/Photoshop/HyuugaCestFC2.png

I lurve that picture! XD;

Best NejiHina fic EVER: Get out of my head! (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2035947/1/)

Don't know if it's been posted or not.

[Mizura]

If you want Angst... I suggest checking out the author known as Sintari. Her characterisation of the Hyuuga household in her latest fic, Rosemary for a Remembrance, is WOW. O_o;; It's not NejiHina Yet, but heh, it's also posted in the Livejournal Hyugacest community, so...

[abfluvver]

My favourite Hyuugacest fics are the drabbles and oneshots that Sunfreak (you can check her out on FF.net) does.
She's basically what turned me onto Hyuugacest in the first place.
And then there's the LJ Hyuugacest community, in which fanart and fanfics are posted:
http://www.livejournal.com/community/hyugacest/

[Intrepid]

Get Out of My Head, I read that. Only a chapter or two, I was looking for drama and angst fics. It's funny though, and perverted.

Thanks for the button HinataFanBoy. We love you. Of course we do, you are one of our heroes at NaruSaku FC.

[HinataFanBoy]

glad to be of service!

[occasionalutopia]

Squeeeeee!!!!!! I am so in!!!! #2 Ultimate Crack Pairing - definitely warrants a join :P

[Amatsu]

I am SO joining!

[Yoshi]

It certainly would be an interesting pairing, would it bring a good end to the family feud and unite them? Thats would be nice.

[Smiter]

Thanks to Ash-chan and Mel-chan... I'm in. XD

NejiHina is cool. ^_^ Hyuugacest rolls off the tongue as well.

I blame Sabaku no Ira for starting this (remember how he talked about cousins marrying in clans?)

[occasionalutopia]

Eeyep, I blame Sabaku for my descent into Hyuugacest as well XD He should be taken hostage and forced to be a member. Or something XD

And no Mizu-kage, it's not just an "interesting" pairing, it's an OMFGONEONESOEFFINGAWESOME pairing XD *cough* Sorry XD

[DBoon]

neji X hinata?? what this is, despicable! blah!

[Smiter]

DBoon, there is a rule in this forum that you do not go into other FCs and flame them.

It's just not good manners. :) (that, and you also risk being banned)

I think Hyuugacest FC is just good fun. ^_^

[Yoshi]

So smite him then Smiter!

hehe, i would be interested in a HinaNeji pairing, especially as they were talking normally to each other in the manga chapter where Naruto left for training.

[Msut]

ROFL, anyone got a fanart of the extra chromosone kids they would have?

[Intrepid]

Welcome occasionalutopia, Aethos, and Smiter.

So many people are joining. I'm so glad ^_^

Their kids, I think they will have extra powerful byakugan.

[occasionalutopia]

Just call me Occa or Mel, Magpie XD

Their kids would simply be the strongest Hyuugas EVER :clap

[Mizura]

I am SO joining!
You're joining? :blink I thought you liked SasuHina a lot better. Are you even in the SasuHina fc? Anyway, did you read Sintari's fics, or did you change your mind on your own? Or are you in it for other pairings than NejiHina (HiaHiza? :P)

Bah. I'm joining too. (I usually avoid actually joining pairing fanclubs but nevermind) I'll have to make my own fc logo too... something nice and angsty for a change...

For me, the appeal about Hyuugacest (well, NejiHina) is actually not incest in itself. Though the appeal Is a result of the two being cousins: it's the complex and in my opinion fascinating ties (chains?) imposed upon the two by the cold, rigid structure that is the Hyuuga clan. That they are cousins is secondary to me... (I never considered cousin x cousin relationships as incest anyway...) but because they are cousins, the bonds they have developped are so complex and fascinating. Had they not been born into the Hyuuga structure, things would have turned out differently. Heck if Neji was not the prodigy from Branch, while Hinata was his weak cousin from Main, then they might have become close friends, Neji as a child thought that Hinata was cute. Instead, the mere minutes seperating Hizashi's birth from Hiashi's have turned that possible friendship into Neji's blinding hatred towards Hinata, who was just her poor self, trying to cope in a rigid structure that did not suit her gentle self. But it seemed to me that Neji's blinding hatred bordered upon obsession, and in that case, the line between hatred and love can be thin indeed (cliche as it may sound). As Sintari said: love and hatred are both strong emotions. The troubled relation between the two, with the spectre of the hatred tying the Branch house to the Main looming behind, is just too fascinating.

What can I say? I'm an angst fan. :P

Also, now that the hatred is gone... can the scars finally heal?

Hmm, I did a pretty bad job explaining why I find this pairing fascinating. Oh well. Guess I won't become a fanfic author. :P But some of you probably get what I meant... (come on now, some of you have Bound to be angst-fans as well)

[Intrepid]

You're joining? :blink I thought you liked SasuHina a lot better. Are you even in the SasuHina fc? Anyway, did you read Sintari's fics, or did you change your mind on your own? Or are you in it for other pairings than NejiHina (HiaHiza? :P)

Bah. I'm joining too. (I usually avoid actually joining pairing fanclubs but nevermind) I'll have to make my own fc logo too... something nice and angsty for a change...

For me, the appeal about Hyuugacest (well, NejiHina) is actually not incest in itself. Though the appeal Is a result of the two being cousins: it's the complex and in my opinion fascinating ties (chains?) imposed upon the two by the cold, rigid structure that is the Hyuuga clan. That they are cousins is secondary to me... (I never considered cousin x cousin relationships as incest anyway...) but because they are cousins, the bonds they have developped are so complex and fascinating. Had they not been born into the Hyuuga structure, things would have turned out differently. Heck if Neji was not the prodigy from Branch, while Hinata was his weak cousin from Main, then they might have become close friends, Neji as a child thought that Hinata was cute. Instead, the mere minutes seperating Hizashi's birth from Hiashi's have turned that possible friendship into Neji's blinding hatred towards Hinata, who was just her poor self, trying to cope in a rigid structure that did not suit her gentle self. But it seemed to me that Neji's blinding hatred bordered upon obsession, and in that case, the line between hatred and love can be thin indeed (cliche as it may sound). As Sintari said: love and hatred are both strong emotions. The troubled relation between the two, with the spectre of the hatred tying the Branch house to the Main looming behind, is just too fascinating.

What can I say? I'm an angst fan. :P

Also, now that the hatred is gone... can the scars finally heal?

Hmm, I did a pretty bad job explaining why I find this pairing fascinating. Oh well. Guess I won't become a fanfic author. :P But some of you probably get what I meant... (come on now, some of you have Bound to be angst-fans as well)

Oh goody! I never even thought of that, yet I call myself an expert on tensional crush. yup yup. Love and Hate are both passion without reason. Now there's a new idea for a fanfic.

[Mizura]

Um... so am I in or not?

[sharingank]

Dude, I look at Hyuugacest the same way, Mizura. XD The two of them together just fascinate me...especially the dynamics of their relationship. There are so many layers to be peeled away in order to get down to the core, and even then, there is still more...I just love it. XD And realistically, this is one of the only ways that the clan ever WILL be united, with the need for the curse seal vanishing for good. It just makes so much sense (which is another reason why I love this pairing to death...)

[Intrepid]

Um... so am I in or not?

Oh sorry it took so long. Of course! Welcome, you've been added.

Random Comment: Drawing the Hyuuga family is fun! Never have to go through the hysteria of perfecting the eyeballs and orbs. Most anime style art have such detailed and beautiful eyes. Especially in Shoujo series, artists are competetive when it comes to eyes. I think I'm going to draw everyone blind from now on; extend the Hyuuga clan.

[Amatsu]

You're joining? :blink I thought you liked SasuHina a lot better. Are you even in the SasuHina fc? Anyway, did you read Sintari's fics, or did you change your mind on your own? Or are you in it for other pairings than NejiHina (HiaHiza? :P)

I'm part of the SasuHina FC too. Remember I love any pairing with Hinata in it except for NaruHina because to me it just doesn't work nor seem realistic.

Bah. I'm joining too. (I usually avoid actually joining pairing fanclubs but nevermind) I'll have to make my own fc logo too... something nice and angsty for a change...

HURRAH YOU'RE JOINING TOO!!!!! :glomp

Eh? Eh? What was I doing?! Ehehheh sorry about that. Don't know what came over me there. :laugh

And as for that Dboon guy he's just jealous because he didn't think up the idea first.

[_Yamanaka_Ino_]

Hell ya i'm in

[Intrepid]

Welcome Ino, we're glad to have you.

[occasionalutopia]

A little Hyuugacest contribution:

http://img157.exs.cx/img157/9099/047hyuugacest8vl.jpg

Cross-posted this in the Naruto Captions thread, and linked the pic to this FC (although more people will prolly be aghast than join XD). Ah NejiHina, will Kishi ever be on enough crack to write you both? :P

[HinataFanBoy]

haha nice work occasionalutopia

[occasionalutopia]

:smile-big

I'm loving your Renji sig HFB! :clap If anyone ever makes me a Byakuya one I will cyberkiss their feet XD

[HinataFanBoy]

better keep ur word on it lol, got ne pic u want? heh even if ya dun want what i make i dun mind cuz i have so much fun makin sigs ^_^

[occasionalutopia]

Ooooh will you really??? :glomp I'll DEFINITELY keep my promise (and rep you with all 4978 pts of my rep power XD) I don't have particular pics in mind, just as long as he looks ubersuperduper smexalicious and er ... well, you know how my mind works :xp :nuts I'll get back to you if I find any pics I have in mind ::goes off to perve at anime Byakuya::

[Amatsu]

That NejiHina comic was smexy Mel-chan :glomp

[occasionalutopia]

Glad you loffed the NejiHina smex Zoro-kun! :glomp

And oh, this is for the awesome and VERY patient HFB for the fabwonderculous Byakuya siggy:

http://img232.exs.cx/img232/4665/hfbkiss8oz.jpg
As if you guys couldn't tell from my awesome MSPaint skillz, that's me cyberkissing HFB's feet as promised :smile-big (Although I don't think he'll find that too amusing, so I'd better just rep him instead XD) Zank kyuuuu HFB!!!!!! :glomp

[HinataFanBoy]

if i learned nething in that experience it was that i can tweak a grunge tut to make my own style and that occasionalutopia is very picky :P

[_Yamanaka_Ino_]

'ello ppl wht's up?

[Amatsu]

Mel-chan is the awesomes. Heh I'd do screen cap comics myself but I have no screen caps to work off of.

[occasionalutopia]

Aww thank you Zoro-kun :glomp (see HFB, I'm not a monster! :P) No seriously, HFB was amazingly patient with me (he had to redo it like, a billion times XD) ... but you could have tactfully said "She's a woman who knows what she wants" instead of "very picky" ... XP XP XP Now nobody will want to marry me :crying

[HinataFanBoy]

lol u took that little drawing off, heh i felt like makin a sig outta it

[occasionalutopia]

You mean the one of me kissing your feet? ::goes to look:: Strange, I didn't take it off, the link must have died. Here you go XD

http://img224.exs.cx/img224/5818/hfbkiss2ew.jpg

[Amatsu]

Now nobody will want to marry me :crying

You'll always have me! :laugh

[sharingank]

LMFAO!!! MEL!! OMG!!! YOU ARE MAH HERO!!! *dies*

[occasionalutopia]

You guys really have to stop encouraging me XD

You'll always have me! :laugh::clings to Zoro-kun :love::

[Amatsu]

You guys really have to stop encouraging me XD

::clings to Zoro-kun :love::

::clings back to Mel-chan::

OMG MEL-CHAN X AETHOS IS MORE CANON THAN ASH X SMITER OMGWTF!!!!!1!!!!!!

ok that's the end of my insanity XD

[occasionalutopia]

Poor Magpie is going to come back and wonder WTF we did to her FC :P

::smexes Zoro-kun in show of Aethos x Mel-ness:: XD XD XD

[sharingank]

NOOOOOOOOOO!!! *slow motion* MAH CANON-NESS HAS BEEN PWNED!!!! WHAT SHALL I DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO??

:p

Sorry in advance, Magpie!!! XD

er..uh...

YEAH FOR NEJI AND HINATA MAKING BABIES!!! WHEEEEEEEE!!!

[Amatsu]

Poor Magpie is going to come back and wonder WTF we did to her FC :P

::smexes Zoro-kun in show of Aethos x Mel-ness:: XD XD XD

::smexes back:: XD XD

[_Yamanaka_Ino_]

wow this thread got interestin

[Intrepid]

Poor Magpie is going to come back and wonder WTF we did to her FC :P

::smexes Zoro-kun in show of Aethos x Mel-ness:: XD XD XD

I actually came back, bewildered already. Partly because I have a heavy fever, and secondly I became very confused at the Naruto and Sakura FC. They were talking about Neji and Hinata out of the blue there. For a sec, I thought I was here.

And continue on with the smexing, have fun guys. I'll just go read chp 102 and 245 once more (for the uh.... many many times)

[HinataFanBoy]

dun forget the snaxing! lol i like that word

[Intrepid]

Do you guys think ch 247 is going to be about Naruto and Sakura returning to town, or will it jump to Sasuke? I hope they go back to town, then we get to see Neji and Hinata, and the rest of the Hyuuga clan (hopefully), also Ino, Shikamaru, Chouji, Lee, and etc. ^_^ I think the Hinata tea seen foreshadows/hints that the relation between the Main and Branch Houses gotten a little bit better. Neji is still cursed, though actually I'd prefer if he remains cursed, for fanfic purposes.

[HinataFanBoy]

lol "for fanfic purposes"

[Amatsu]

Oh it's obvious. When we see Neji and Hinata again they'll be married with kids and run off at awkward moments to smex.

Ok no they probably won't but it'd be funny if it were to be true.

[Intrepid]

I can't wait til we see them again, but unfortunately we won't see them in chapter 247, it just came out. OMG NEJI IS A CHUUNIN! congratz

[Sephero]

Incest is gross.

[Phosphorus]

I can't wait til we see them again, but unfortunately we won't see them in chapter 247, it just came out. OMG NEJI IS A CHUUNIN! congratz

Actually, I believe Neji is a Jounin. And,

Incest is gross.

You, just go away.

[Shinigamiii]

I want to point out something. Neji and Hinata's fathers were identical twin brothers. So in all technicality, they are half siblings. Think about it.

[Mizura]

Scientifically they might be half-sibling, but technically they're cousins. :notrust Besides, so what? We might as well argue about the morality of sending 12-years-olds on killing missions. In my opinion anyway, Neji and Hinata are cousins, and I don't view marriage between cousins as incest. Even if I did, I wouldn't care much, as this is anime, and I'd just assume that in the Hyuuga culture, marriage between cousins is okay. Cultural differences people, as long as they don't hurt other people, I don't see the problem.

[Shinigamiii]

Don't hurt people?? What about the in-breed kid with an arm sticking out of his head. You make the argument about different cultures and the royalty lines, but you forget that they are often a minefield of genetic diseases. Breeding among those with genetic relations is wrong for very scientific reasons.

[Mizura]

:notrust

http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=487428&postcount=42

I say, if you want to prevent genetic defects, then make laws against having pregnant women take drugs, smoke, drink alcohol, or stay around other people who smoke. While we're at it, have them live in unpolluted environments. Yeesh.

And who's ever actually seen a kid with an arm sticking out of his head?

Marrying between close relatives is a bad idea if your family is known to carry a recessive genetic defect. As it happens though, Hiashi and Hizashi looked perfectly fine, so I doubt they're carrying any genetic defects. I'd say that Hinata and Neji's children will thus most probably be fine. The Hyuugas are probably already a bunch of inbreds anyway. And they seem fine.

In fact, I'd be far more worried about those pills some of those clans are taking.

[AznNarutoGrl]

can i join?

[Intrepid]

Actually, I believe Neji is a Jounin.

Yea you're right! *clap clap* congratz Neji!

AznNarutoGrl, sure you can. Welcome to the club!

[Phosphorus]

:notrust

http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=487428&postcount=42

I say, if you want to prevent genetic defects, then make laws against having pregnant women take drugs, smoke, drink alcohol, or stay around other people who smoke. While we're at it, have them live in unpolluted environments. Yeesh.

And who's ever actually seen a kid with an arm sticking out of his head?

Marrying between close relatives is a bad idea if your family is known to carry a recessive genetic defect. As it happens though, Hiashi and Hizashi looked perfectly fine, so I doubt they're carrying any genetic defects. I'd say that Hinata and Neji's children will thus most probably be fine. The Hyuugas are probably already a bunch of inbreds anyway. And they seem fine.

In fact, I'd be far more worried about those pills some of those clans are taking.

Wow, you totally pwned him (?).

[Mizura]

Eh, you'd also have to thank Arilou for providing the statistics. Honestly, isn't there some rule against flaming in a fc, or is it just disallowed to flame in an anti- fc?

[Phosphorus]

Eh, you'd also have to thank Arilou for providing the statistics. Honestly, isn't there some rule against flaming in a fc, or is it just disallowed to flame in an anti- fc?

I'm pretty sure. These people are really starting to annoy me. I say we neg rep them to death!

[Sephero]

So, that whole long arguement is basically extolling the virtues of incest?

[Mizura]

No. It was basically to prove that Shinigami is a complete idiot who knows nothing about what he's talking about. Got a problem with that?

[Sephero]

I have a problem with incest.

[Phosphorus]

Well that's all good and fine. We don't come into your fanclubs and go on about how disgusting whatever is, now do we? And I see you whined about that neg rep you got, too.

[Mizura]

Bah. Gave him another neg-rep.

[Phosphorus]

Shouldn't we tell one of the smods to tell these people to leave us alone?

[Mizura]

Maybe next time. Cheh.

[Sephero]

Well what did you expect when you made the fc? that everyone was going to be cool with it?

[Phosphorus]

We expected people to be intelligent and respectful and not come in here and bash.

[Sephero]

So now I'm stupid for not liking incest?

...

Anyways, ill leave you guys to your things now and respect your privacy, i dont want to start anything, alright? Later.

[Intrepid]

I just never expected people to come in here and start topic conversations of whether Neji and Hinata or Hiashi and Hizashi should be considered incest or not. But what does that matters, love people, love. All you need is love *sings joyfully*, oh that's the title of a very famous Draco&Ginny fanfic.

But then again, why do people come in here yelling? They know they are going to get stompped.

If you have a problem with Hyuugacest, then fine. No one is making you like it. Just continue skipping along. You don't see me going into SasuSaku or NaruHina clubs and start bashing them. I just hop between here and the NaruSaku club.

[occasionalutopia]

:/
I have a problem with incest.You're entitled to your opinion, but really, go start an Anti-Incest FC in the Non-Naruto Fanclubs section IF you feel that strongly about it, instead of raining on another FC's parade.
Anyways, ill leave you guys to your things now and respect your privacy, i dont want to start anything, alright? Later.That wasn't so hard was it? Cheers :)

On-topic:

Occa's gratuitous what-are-you-smoking? prediction of the week:

When Neji and Hinata reappear in Part 2, they will be together. Hinata will blush coyly while Neji evenly announces w/ his typical poker-face expression that they are engaged, and all jaws within earshot drop.

(Right, about as likely as Kabuto being straight, but one can dream. Also, if anything remotely resembling that ever happens some chapters down the line, J00 will all bow down to me and call me God >D)

[Mizura]

Ooooh, I've jus found something that's just Perfect! :D

At the Hyuugacest Livejournal Community, a certain Rianax just made a very well-researched comment about first-cousin relationships. Go lookie!

http://www.livejournal.com/community/hyugacest/ (bah I don't know how to link specifically to that section, but right now it's on top of the page so you can't miss it).

Edit: baka me. Here:
http://www.livejournal.com/community/hyugacest/41419.html?view=147147

A quick search also turned out this: http://archives.cnn.com/2002/LAW/04/columns/fl.grossman.incest.04.09/ , which features the following interesting information:

"Prohibitions on cousin marriage are unique to the United States. Most other countries permit first-cousin marriages without restriction, and the rate of cousin marriages in some countries is as high as 60 percent of all marriages."

It explains why I (I'm a European) never knew that cousin-cousin relationships were considered incest. It's because in the great majority of the world, Europe included, it isn't.

[isentropic]

Er.. *waves*?

Hey guys, a totally new fan of the Hyuugacest pairing of Neji and Hinata. Hope I'm doing this right cause this forum confuses me. Heh. May I join this fanclub?

Thanks a bunch! Oh, can I have one of those pictures in everyone's signatures? Or do I have to make my own. Gah.

Sorry for the roundabout questions! Hope I can join!

Cheers!

[Intrepid]

Welcome isentropic! The codes/buttons are at the main page, I think Mizura or HinataFanBoy made some for us too.

[Sgt_Frog]

can i join...?

[Intrepid]

Sgt_Frog, sure. welcome welcome. I love your Itachi avatar btw. His eyes, hey just pull you in, don't they?

[Mizura]

HFB made a logo of Neji gropping Hinata from a fanart. I haven't made anything yet, I really should, but I'm, well, lazy.

[isentropic]

by Magpie:
Welcome isentropic!Hey thanks! I'm slowly being consumed by the Neji/Hinata pairing so it's a really nice thing to know I ain't alone!by Mizura:
HFB made a logo of Neji gropping Hinata from a fanart.Oh yes! :laugh I saw it on one of the poster's sigs. Really funny. If I were to use that sig he made, do I need to ask permission or can I just place it in my sig? Where is he anyway? :looks around:

By the way, just out of curiosity, how did the members of this club find themselves being a fan of the Hyuugacest pairings? Can you remember the first time you guys thought, "Hmm, Hyuuga A and Hyuuga B? Not bad!" Did you see/thought of it because of the Naruto fandom or the manga/anime itself. Is it just a kink (what with the incestuous theme and all)?

(Er... questions like this are allowed, aren't they? Please feel free to shut me up any time I cross a line.

And I'm sorry for the multiple questions... :D)


~ [isentropic]

[Inochi no Fushigi]

To respond to the previous post:

Actually, it's odd. I got into HinaxNeji after watching the Chuunin Exam arc in the anime, and at the time, I was at the arc in the manga where Naruto was after Sasuke to keep him away from Orochimaru. I don't know what fueled it, but as an avid fanfic writer, I found the coupling interesting and they'd make a nice pairing for a writer like me who loves insane plot twists and weirdness. :3

To be honest, I didn't even consider incest before this. Yes, I already know about the recessive genetic traits that could be carried on through genes as dominant; but that was mainly a problem when actual siblings married. Hinata and Neji still have a likelihood to pass on a recessive genetic disorder, but the probability of that is lower than that of the royalty's way of marrying off siblings to each other.

And, with that, I conclude my post to skip off and take me pills and rest (sicknesses suck).

EDIT: Ah, yes, and I would like to join this FC, please. :0

[Phosphorus]

Hey thanks! I'm slowly being consumed by the Neji/Hinata pairing so it's a really nice thing to know I ain't alone!Oh yes! :laugh I saw it on one of the poster's sigs. Really funny. If I were to use that sig he made, do I need to ask permission or can I just place it in my sig? Where is he anyway? :looks around:

By the way, just out of curiosity, how did the members of this club find themselves being a fan of the Hyuugacest pairings? Can you remember the first time you guys thought, "Hmm, Hyuuga A and Hyuuga B? Not bad!" Did you see/thought of it because of the Naruto fandom or the manga/anime itself. Is it just a kink (what with the incestuous theme and all)?

(Er... questions like this are allowed, aren't they? Please feel free to shut me up any time I cross a line.

And I'm sorry for the multiple questions... :D)


~ [isentropic]

I guess from reading fanfics... I just slowly got pulled in :blink

[Amatsu]

Basically Hyuugacest was originated on the fact that all Hyuuga's look the same. After all just look at them! They have to be in-bred. Plus the fact that they're so secretive about the Byakuugan not to mention that every member of the clan has it.

That pretty much proves that they marry within the clan. Also since Neji is the best person to become the leader of the main house it's logical that Hiashi would set him up with Hinata so that he could take over the main house after Hiashi dies. After all it would be possible since Hinata IS the older daughter and that means senority rights.

[Phosphorus]

Basically Hyuugacest was originated on the fact that all Hyuuga's look the same. After all just look at them! They have to be in-bred. Plus the fact that they're so secretive about the Byakuugan not to mention that every member of the clan has it.

That pretty much proves that they marry within the clan. Also since Neji is the best person to become the leader of the main house it's logical that Hiashi would set him up with Hinata so that he could take over the main house after Hiashi dies. After all it would be possible since Hinata IS the older daughter and that means senority rights.

:blink I think think that has already been explained, but okay. And it's Byakugan. (Because I'm nitpicky damnit XD)

[Amatsu]

actually there are two u's in Byakuugan.

Just as how there are two u's in Jyuuken.

[Phosphorus]

Ah, well, that's how everyone else spells it. Except of course for they idiots that make up some random word such as 'jyukigan'.

[Amatsu]

Ah well it's spelled Byakuugan and Jyuuken on many other Naruto sites as well as in scanlations and subbed episodes so it's basically how I spell it. Maybe some people purposely keep out the second u because they see it as redundant.

[Phosphorus]

You're the first person I've ever seen to spell it Byakuugan. And of course I've seen Jyuuken with two u's because that is how I spell it. Or maybe you could spell it either way. Like the u with the little whatchamacallit on top. XD I'm too lazy to look.

[Tifaeria]

Hi! I was wondering if I could join this fanclub? I've always enjoyed this couple and I think it makes more sense than NaruHina, although I do read about them. Plus I think it's sweet the way Neji smiles at Hinata. So cute! So anways, that it. I'll be back later. :wink

[Mizura]

There's only one u in Byakugan... it's made up of two words: Byaku, which is one way to say "white" (haku is another actually, and it Certainly isn't hakuu), and gan, which is one way to say "eye". And Byaku is with only one u at the end. Just because some words have two u's, doesn't mean they all do...

[abfluvver]

Someone asked how got you into Hyuugacest...
I personally discovered the fandom through Sunfreak/Suzukiblu, whose Naruto one-shots and drabbles can be found here:

http://www.fanfiction.net/~sunfreak

She's written most of the Naruto pairings imaginable (even if they are all one-shots and drabbles), so you might want to check her out.

[Intrepid]

How I became a Neji and Hinata fan:

I'm just a recent fan, since I only got into Naruto about a month or so ago. I remember I was freaking out, just being the obessed fan girl I was, when chapter 245 came out. I'm a big Naruto and Sakura fan. All of a sudden, while oh the phone with a friend it actually popped into my mind! Neji and Hinata remind me of Draco and Ginny (from Harry Potter). For some reason I had the feeling that Neji and Hinata fanfics would be just as profound. Then the next day, I decided to look for Neji and Hinata fics. That's how it started. Truthfully, I have yet to find a Neji and Hinata fic that is as good as the Draco/Ginny classics. But it doesn't bother me anymore since I'm already hooked on. And Neji and Hinata in my mind, still seem like such a sophisticated couple.

Inochi no Fushigi, cool. It's interesting, anyway welcome to our club. Hope you enjoy.

Tifaeria, really? Neji smiled at her? Where? When? *looks around* Sure, hold on let me add you. Welcome to our club!

So happy, so many new members!

[Amatsu]

There's only one u in Byakugan... it's made up of two words: Byaku, which is one way to say "white" (haku is another actually, and it Certainly isn't hakuu), and gan, which is one way to say "eye". And Byaku is with only one u at the end. Just because some words have two u's, doesn't mean they all do...

I never said they all do yet...

YOU TALK BLASPHEMY!

::pulls a nearby lever opening a trap door under Mizura's feet::

Bwahahaha Excel Saga eat your heart out.

Anyways it doesn't matter if it has one u ot two either way it sounds like Byakuugan so meh. Oh and I was kidding Mizura so you know.

[Tifaeria]

So...he wasn't smiling at her in chapter 238? I must have been wrong. I'm just glad that he acknowledges her in that chapter. :)

[Phosphorus]

So...he wasn't smiling at her in chapter 238? I must have been wrong. I'm just glad that he acknowledges her in that chapter. :)

He was smiling... Wait... Isn't that a tad spoilerish?

[Tifaeria]

OMG! GAAAAH! I completely forgot!
*bow*
I'm so sorry! I will never let that happen again! I will try and edit it, I promise! Well I did and it's ok now. :sad

So...am I kicked out now?

[Intrepid]

Oh yea! He was! I loved Hinata when she came out. It was the one time that I went "oh she's pretty".

[Phosphorus]

OMG! GAAAAH! I completely forgot!
*bow*
I'm so sorry! I will never let that happen again! I will try and edit it, I promise! Well I did and it's ok now. :sad

So...am I kicked out now?

I think you'll be okay. I believe most of us are manga readers here anyway. :smile-big

[Tifaeria]

Alright! Then I'm getting that cute wittle button with chibi hinata and neji.
*snuggles them both*

[Intrepid]

They were such cute kids, when they are little. They look so good together back then too.

[Phosphorus]

Yeah, they were adorable. You just go "Aaawwww"

[Intrepid]

When do you guys predict we are going to get to see the new Neji and Hinata in the manga? Things seem to be very caught up with Gaara at the moment (not that I mind <33 Gaara). With piority and all, seems like after the Gaara issue is dealt with, they'll jump right to Sasuke's current condition. As much as some of you might not like it, he's still a major character. Kishi must talk about him sooner or later.

[Phosphorus]

Probably not for a while, because Kishi's tormenting us.

[Mizura]

With any luck we just might see them in the next chapter! I pretty much expected them not to show up in this chapter, because they're busy showing what's happening in the Village of Sand. However, this part seems more or less done now, and in the preview for next week, it says that the news reaches Konoha. So it's back to Konoha! With any luck, they'll call on all the ex-genins to assemble in response to the news! Inluding Neji and Hinata! :amuse It's not like they'll do 16 pages of Naruto crying out "What? Gaara's been What?" (unless they show 14 more pages of Sand, then only the remaining ones are dedicated to Naruto...)

[Intrepid]

They could show Sasuke. I mean he's been out for awhile. I can't wait to see the rest of the ex-genins. Especially Ino, Kiba, and Neji! Oh! and Akamaru too, of course, I don't think he'll changed much though, maybe grown bigger.

[Mizura]

Yo, lotsa links to Japanese NejiHina fansites! (though don't ask me how to navigate them). Enjoy! (found on the link section of a Japanese NejiHina ring site. I'm posting the links directly though, as it took me quite a long while to figure out where they were. Turned out that you had to click on the link that says "leave" in Japanese. :notrust )

http://mhr.pupu.jp/cmflink/cmflink.cgi?category_id=003

Enjoy! :P

[HinataFanBoy]

does hinahana hyuugacest fit in this FC too? jus curious

and can i plz get on the members list? T_T

[Phosphorus]

does hinahana hyuugacest fit in this FC too? jus curious

and can i plz get on the members list? T_T

Obviously. It's the Hyuugacest FC, not NejiHina FC. Most of us just like NejiHina. :P

[Intrepid]

Yea, of course. Welcome them.

[Mizura]

does hinahana hyuugacest fit in this FC too? jus curious

and can i plz get on the members list? T_T
Oh-hohohoh.... Magpie, you should add him to the member list... T_T

HinaHana counts as well. There's just a lot less (romantic) fanwork involving the two, though I do remember a couple of fics with one-sided HinaHana.

[Intrepid]

That's funny, I remember adding HinataFanBoy already. Well anyway sorry for not adding you. My apologies.

While re-reading the Chuunin arc, I came across this. Ch 77 pg 17
Hinata gives Naruto medicine cream.
Naruto: Uhh sure thanks you're nice, Hinata
---
then shows a pic of Naruto and Hinata bot smiling, they are blushing, and Hinata does her finger thing
---
Neji looks from a distance
Neji: You seem to be enjoying yourself, Hinata-sama...

Could we say he's jealous?

[Mizura]

^ Yup! You're not the only one who has thought of that one, I've heard other people muse over it in authors' notes and the likes. :P Sintari went even further: when facing Hinata, Neji seems to say that he knows everything about her. Which practically means that he's always observing her. :P Yosh!

Hey, noticed a funny thing recently? El Jackal has a Neji avatar, for the moment at least. And as some of you might know, in his user profile, right under his avvie, El Jackal's says his location is "Inside Hinata's jacket". That implies Neji ... ... ... . And to my knowledge, El Jackal isn't even a NejiHina-er. XD I wonder how long he'll keep that avvie once he realizes what it implies...

[HinataFanBoy]

eh? just cuz he has a Neji ava doesnt mean that its him, so it doesnt imply that Neji is in Hinatas jacket, nicy try tho ;)

[Mizura]

It might not imply that, but basically you see Neji's pic, and just a little below you see: "Location: inside hinata's jacket", so it sure seems like it. :P

Edit: eh, he changed avvies.

[isentropic]

Which practically means that he's always observing her.
And he *has* admitted to finding her attractive... What? He said so himself! He thinks she's CUTE! Of course, that was when he was four, but it's still canon!

Er... never mind.

--o

Mizura - That was a fantastic link! The art was awesome! En-Ju (http://enjukt.hp.infoseek.co.jp/) seems to be more of a KibaHina fan though. Still, her Hinata (and ART!) is gorgeous. Thanks a lot! :D

[Mizura]

... "a"? I thought my link was supposed to link to a link page, which contains links to Many NejiHina sites. :blink though they're still hard to navigate. Still, yeah, En-Ju's site is one of them.

[Intrepid]

Neji Neji, you sick sick boy, what have you finally come to. *tsk tsk*

I remember there was this perv NejiHina fic, that starts out with Neji wounding himself. And having perverted thoughts about Hinata's words.

[isentropic]

Neji Neji, you sick sick boy, what have you finally come to.
What? What does this statement mean? *politely asks Magpie to share this information*

thought my link was supposed to link to a link page, which contains links to Many NejiHina sites.
Oh, well, I can't really read the text, but I visited the En-Ju first because the banner looked like Hinata and Neji (though the brand isn't seen). I haven't seen all the art though, so I might just be generalizing. Still, the artist seem to be a part of a KibaHina, uh, comic (?) drive because she has an icon leading to a... KibaHina site that makes me think like that.

Will continue looking at the art. There might be some wonderful NejiHina there too.

--o

edit: Can someone tell me why my number of posts doesn't seem to be increasing? I'm not doing anything wrong am I? (Please tell me if I am... I'm not used to this board yet)

[Mizura]

I don't remember such a fic. *_* What was it called?

[isentropic]

Wai! I Finally found a Neji! Lookie (http://enjukt.hp.infoseek.co.jp/ga_img/naruto/n_32.jpg). I have no idea if that's introspective, contemplative, resigned or just plain tired. Oh well.

--o

edit: Found NejiHina! S touching (http://enjukt.hp.infoseek.co.jp/ga_img/naruto/n_31.jpg). One can make a fanfic out of this, I bet.

--o

Speaking of fanfics... can, uh, not to bother anyone that is. Can someone reccommend some NejiHina fanfics? Please?

If only you can, that is.

[Mizura]

Eh, by the way, En-ju's gallery is here in case you didn't find it:
http://enjukt.hp.infoseek.co.jp/menu.html

NejiHina: I recommend Sintari's Rosemay for Remembrance. It's not NejiHina... yet, but let's just say that I'm not too worried about the "yet" part.

[isentropic]

Yep. I knew the link. Thanks so much for helping. It was very nice of you. ^_^

As for Rosemary for Remembrance, I've recently read the fifth chapter and I'm dying for the next one! She's really good at what she does and her characters are very alive. I've been leaving her rambling reviews that are not contructive at all (and yet, ironically, takes up MUCH space). I hope she finds the time to make the next installment.

I was wondering if there are any other NejiHina fics out there. I seem to have only read a handful and I'm wondering if the NejiHina fanbase is really just this small. Do you know any other fanfics?

[Tifaeria]

Well this author named Cookie6 writes good NejiHina and SasuHina stories, although she goes by another name now. I'm trying to look for some good fanart and writing. I came across a few on ff.net and aff.net but I forgot the names. Sorry. :sad

[isentropic]

...although she goes by another name now.
Is this Kichou? I think that's the name she goes by now. By the way, are there other places where one can read NejiHina fanfics other than ffnet? Cause it's so hard to find fanfics there sometimes. I wonder if there are any NejiHina-only sites out there that are in english. I haven't found one yet.

Mizura placed a link to a page with fanart links just last page. Hope you find some great ones! I'm looking for some fanfic myself. Heh. Will tell once I find some.

[Mizura]

Hey guys! I've been making a few calculations on genetic risks. We all know by now that first cousin marriages pose little risk right? What about Neji and Hinata, who are genetically half-siblings?

Quick explanation on words:
- chromosomes: a person's genetic information is spread across 23 (I think) pairs of chromosomes. Each person inherits half of the chromosomes of each parent, one from each pair of chromosomes.
- DNA: it's what chromosomes of made of, they're basically a type of molecules.
- genes: a sequence of DNA, located on a chromosomes, that codes for a specific trait of yours, such as eye color and the rest. Bad genes can cause genetic diseases.
- dominant genes: if you have such a gene on one of the chromosomes out of a pair, then it's enough for it to express itself.
- recessive genes: you have to have the gene on both chromosomes out of a pair for it to express itself. This means you have to get it from both parents. Most genetic diseases are recessive: you can only get them if both your parents had the gene and passed it along to you. I'll thus be talking about dominant and recessive genetic defects from now on.

Inbreeding does Not cause genetic problems to occur on their own, they only increase the likelyhood that recessive traits show up. So we'll calculate the risk.

Considering any given pair of chromosome, I'll be calling one with a genetic defect B (bad), and one without G (good). When we're talking about recessive traits, you're healthy if you have the GG, BG or GB combination, and unhealthy if you have the BB combination.

Now! Before we begin, I'm sure you you'll all agree that Hizashi, Hiashi, Neji and Hinata look relatively healthy. It is thus safe to assume that they don't have any significant dominant genetic defects. So we can only assume that they have recessive ones. Now assuming that Neji and Hinata both have recessive defects, they could have them from either their mother or their father. Since both are healthy, they can't have inherited from both. So either each inherited the exact same recessive defect from their mother (unlikely) or from their father (more likely). So I'll assume that their mothers are fine, and that Hiashi and Hizashi on the contrary are the ones who have a problem (the risks can only be lower if they get it from their mother anyway, since the likelihood that both mothers have the same recessive trait is lower than with Hiashi and Hizashi, as twins have the same genetic material so would share the same genetic problems).

So let's assume that Hiashi and Hizashi both have a recessive genetic defect (so the corresponding chromosome would be GB).

The likelihood that Hiashi passed it on to Hinata is 1/2. Same with Neji. So the likelihood that Both Hinata and Neji have the recessive trait is 1/4.

In the event that both Neji and Hinata share the same recessive genetic problem (they'd also be BG), their children can have the following combinations (first letter from mother, second from father): BB, BG, GB and GG. Since it's recessive, only in the case of BB is the child unhealthy: a 1/4 risk.

So the overall risk is 1/4 x 1/4 = 1/16: one in 16, or 6,25%. In 93,75% of cases, their kid would be Fine.

What if there are Several seperate genetics defects? For each, the probability of the kid not getting it is 15 out of 16, so in the case of n problems, the probability that the child has none of them is (15/16)^n. So if there are 2 defects, they have a 87,98% chance of being completely healthy. But really: the Hyuga all seem to be more or less inbred anyway, so any genetic problem should have showed up in at least some of the members long ago. Yet they all seem rather healthy, and the Hyuga clan would not be considered one of Konoha's strongest if there were many Hyugas sick from having genetic defects. And if they don't have recessive defects in the first place, there's little risk of any showing up.

What's more, studies have shown that the increase in genetic risks from first cousins marrying is lower than what is expected out of calculations (see links in my other posts on that), and explanation could be that a forming foetus would automatically abort in some cases if there's a significant genetic problem. In any case, this should also be applicable to Neji and Hinata.

So the risks that their kids would have genetic problems would be Lower than 6.25% per kid, assuming that there are genetic problems running in the clan in the first place. In at least 93.75% of cases, their kids would be Fine. So tell that next time that someone claims that if Neji and Hinata have kids, the kids would have two heads and three arms. :notrust

[Ardus]

What an amazing idea for an FC! I'd like to join!

[HinataFanBoy]

Well this author named Cookie6 writes good NejiHina and SasuHina stories, although she goes by another name now. I'm trying to look for some good fanart and writing. I came across a few on ff.net and aff.net but I forgot the names. Sorry. :sad

i really liked her fics, not a sasuhina fan but the fic was awsome, i forget the title at the moment tho

[Intrepid]

Sure, Ardus. Welcome to our crazy bunch.

isentropic, I love your avatar.

I ought to think of more greeting messages, besides welcome.

[isentropic]

So tell that next time that someone claims that if Neji and Hinata have kids, the kids would have two heads and three arms.
Excellent calculations! At least, with your claculations, no one can make assumptions regarding this matter any longer. Still, people who have it in their heads that cousin-relatioships are incest will still find it squicky. I guess it all really depends on cultural backgrounds.

(I asked a few friends about this matter and they're torn in half. 50% doesn't think it's incest, 50% find it incest. Funny that)

What an amazing idea for an FC! I'd like to join!
Welcome Ardus! May I ask what Hyuuga-pairing you like the best?

i really liked her fics, not a sasuhina fan but the fic was awsome, i forget the title at the moment tho
Because Sasuke Means Only Sasuke to You? I'm not much of a fan because I don't agree with her characterizations but, I kinda liked this story.

Oh, I saw something interesting in one fanfic. Apparently, an Uchiha/Hyuuga pairing is incest because Uchiha divereged from Hyuuga. Is this true? Does it mean that this FC support those pairings then?

isentropic, I love your avatar.
Hey thanks! I worked hard on that! I finally made a signature too. Talk about broadcasting to the whole forum, eh?

[Mizura]

^ Hah! The Uchihas... even in the US, marrying cousins is alright if they're far removed enough (3rd or 4th removed cousin?), and the Uchihas are probably Very far removed from the Hyuugas. Besides, if you want to go far enough, we're All related in one way or another (you'd just have to go back a few million years...). That said, I wouldn't mind if this club supported UchihaxHyuuga as well. :P

Say, where are you from Isentropic? If you're American and half your friends don't think marrying cousins is incest, that's pretty good. If you're Not American though (say... European), then on the contrary it's pretty bad... unless you're talking about online friends?

Oh by the way since Isentropic gave a title to Cookie6's fics, I managed to find her new name again: Cookie6 is now Kichou, for all that's worth.

[isentropic]

I'm from Asia (the Philippines, to be exact) and seeing as we're very ingrained in religion, I'm actually quite happy with this ratio. I had half expected ALL of them to be squicked by it and steadfastly tell me that it is indeed incest. I don't really believe it is because I've been brought up to believe that child/parent, sibling/sibling are the only relationships that falls under incest, but that belief is not very common here. Thank goodness my friends are quite open-minded. Your information also helped because even I didn't know that there are a lot of countries that accepts first-cousin marriages. The belief here is the same as the US, I think, meaning it is only 3rd/4th cousin marriages who are acceptable.

(Ironically enough though, our current President's son's wife was his first cousin. It sort of goes against the norm, yet no one raised a rucus.)

And yes, an Uchiha/Hyuuga pairing wouldn't really be called incest anymore. :P I was just asking if this fanclub would support the pairings because, generally it will still be Hyuuga/Hyuuga. Hehe...

Kichou, yes, I did know it was her. Like I said, not a fan because her characterizations does not really sit with me (not to mention the fact that kissing has a large role in the story even when the ages of characters are questionable). I'm still looking for NejiHina fanfics. It's so hard to look for some. ;__;

[Mizura]

^ hoh, so it means that in the Philippines, some people feel icky about cousin-marriages, but there aren't actually any Laws against it, is that right?

I went to the Philippines once. :amuse And we found out the hard way that indeed, Philippines is a very religious country. Religious as in 'all travel agencies were closed because of religious holiday Easter vacation' - religious. Which means that instead of going to thousand islands, we were stuck in Manila. :oh Ah well, could have been worse.

Hmm, Kichou, I don't always agree with her characterizations either, she tends to make the characters a bit too mushy for my taste (instead of angsty. Like say, Sintari. XD Found any nice spoilers on her livejournal then? Since I've been looking over there longer than you, I did indeed get a number of spoilers. Small hints, really). Kichou's smart though, she got Lots of people to review by forcing them to do so in order to receive the lemon parts. Anybody have any idea if they're any good? That said... lol, Kichou got the most hilarious flames recently, and Kichou decided to vent about it in a seperate chapter. Some of the readers really take things too seriously... (if they don't like the pairing, why are they reading in the first place? @_@ losers. Go complain about the fact that there are 12-years-olds killing each other in Naruto instead!)

Meh.

[isentropic]

...so it means that in the Philippines, some people feel icky about cousin-marriages, but there aren't actually any Laws against it, is that right?
Bingo! Wait... you mean there are actually laws in some countries that prohibits this kind of thing? Whoa. I didn't know that either.

There is the possibility that there are no laws against it due to the fact that everyone just assumes it is a taboo and thus, needs not be stated. But then again, I think it's just because it is not a very common occurrence (or not really that important). Gay marriages are (IMO) more frowned upon than incest as I've only ever heard a few cases (news clippings, tv shows) that ever stated anything about this (and its usually rape-related [father/daughter] or an uncommon case of siblings marrying each other due to separation).

Religious as in 'all travel agencies were closed because of religious holiday Easter vacation' - religious.
Oh! I'm sorry! It's not only that. We are also the Religious as in, "Shows not religon related are prohibited to be shown on TV," and "Classes/Jobs/Anything that needs Work-related thing needs to STOP" religious. Everything is virtually on pause when it's Easter here. Which is why non-Catholic folks gets bored out of their skulls when it's Easter.

Like say, Sintari. XD Found any nice spoilers on her livejournal then? Since I've been looking over there longer than you, I did indeed get a number of spoilers. Small hints, really
Oh, quite! I really thank you for pointing it out to me. I also read what she told you about Rosemary (I'm assuming it is you, but if I'm wrong, then I apologize!) being a three-part story. Heh. I'm so excited of the fact that NejiHina is her OTP. That practically guarantees NejiHina (or at least, memorable NejiHina scenes) in her story. And she says Chapter Seven is something she's excited to write about! I can't wait!

(if they don't like the pairing, why are they reading in the first place? @_@ losers. Go complain about the fact that there are 12-years-olds killing each other in Naruto instead!)
Wholeheartedly agree. Sometimes though, there are really people who tend to go into romance too much that they forget the other, sometimes MORE, questionable aspects that are so obvious in Naruto. Romance is good and all, but it should not be the focus of the story.

By the way, a question for everyone: Since this is a fanclub, are there any activities currently going on? Like drabble-writing activities for example, or a round robin kind of game. Speculations? Theories? What do you think is the first scene that'll show Hinata, Neji and maybe Hanabi in the new arc? How do you perceive Hiashi and Hizashi's relationship before they were forced to be separated by the Hyuuga ways? Have any speculations about how the Main and Branch Houses came to be? And other things. You know? That kind of stuff.

No reason, really. Just asking, is all.

:D

[Mizura]

Bingo! Wait... you mean there are actually laws in some countries that prohibits this kind of thing? Whoa. I didn't know that either.
Whoa, you're actually surprised. Well, um, yes, apparently, there are laws against that in the US. And apparently, only in the US. Buh.

Oh! I'm sorry! It's not only that. We are also the Religious as in, "Shows not religon related are prohibited to be shown on TV," and "Classes/Jobs/Anything that needs Work-related thing needs to STOP" religious. Everything is virtually on pause when it's Easter here. Which is why non-Catholic folks gets bored out of their skulls when it's Easter.
Heh, no need to be sorry. We ended up staying at a rather nice hotel, and got to enjoy the local cuisine a bit. Though the TV part? @_@ Well I didn't watch tv there much while I was there, not like I could understand much anyway. Though I did read a disturbing article in a newspaper that during Easter, some Philippinos reenact the cruxification of the Christ. Pinning to a cross and everything. :blink *shudders*

And yes, I'm that Random Person who's too lazy to create an account to properly review. :P But I still manage to get lots of extra info out of Sintari with my reviews. Ain't that nice?

As for the speculations and whatnot, it's just that speculations on the Hyuuga household are usually done in the Theories section of the House of Uzumaki. As for when Neji and Hinata will appear... HOPEFULLY they'll appear as soon as possible, but they'll Probably not be appearing any time soon, not with the present sand arc going on. Waaaaah. *sniffle*

[isentropic]

Though I did read a disturbing article in a newspaper that during Easter, some Philippinos reenact the cruxification of the Christ. Pinning to a cross and everything.Heh, well, how to say? This is a very common theme here during Easter. It is done with the belief that, as Jesus suffered to cleanse our sins, doing this act of selflessness [sacrificing one's body to achieve penance] shows great loyalty and sincerity in wanting to truly be forgiven. It's also serves as a reenactment of what happened waybackwhen. Don't be fooled though. This reenactment has real nails and real crucifixion. The cross is heavy too and the things used to beat the people-in-penance's backs truly cuts skin.

Gah. Never mind. I've never been enamored by it, and I live here. I guess it must be shocking to others too. All this done for religion. I sometimes think we are too ingrained in it, but then, what can one do against tradition (especially since I'm not really aiming to change it, gah).

Ain't that nice?Oh definitely. And I get to read your conversations, so I get little bits and pieces of info too. I think I should thank you for this indirect act of hinting. Thanks! :D

...but they'll Probably not be appearing any time soon, not with the present sand arc going on. Waaaaah. *sniffle*I know! I just read Chap250 and... wait, I might spoil you. Hopefully, you've read it already?

Team 7's going to the Sand! Wah! No more Konoha for who knows how long! I wish they could at least have a few panels next chapter for getting supplies which might lead to them seeing other characters, but, well, it might just be wishful thinking.

Hmm, I didn't know such speculations are recieved for the Theories section. Can we ask for character studies here then? Or personal favorites? What episode in manga/anime is your favorite Hyuuga scene or things like that? What do you think is Hinata/Neji/other Hyuuga's greatest failing? Greatest strength?

Heh. I have a lot of questions. It's because the Hyuuga Family is the Family which, I think, is the most opened up family in the Naruto series. At the same time, they tell so little that every scene just makes one question them more. It's positively intriguing. The characters in the family are very interesting too. Heh.

[Mizura]

I know the nails are real... that's why I found it discturbing... but whatever. :P

And yes, I've read 250. Which is why I've mostly lost hope of seeing the rest of the cast anytime soon, unless we're Really lucky and Naruto bumps into them as he leaves.

You can ask whatever you want in here, really. I'm just saying that many questions related to the Hyuugas haven't been asked Here, because it's been done in the theories thread. The truth is we still don't have an exact idea of how the hyuga system works, which leads to interesting speculation in fics. :P

My personal favorite is Hinata of course, followed by Neji. As for what I like about Hinata... I've said a good deal about it in the pairing's thread, here:
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=17199&page=6&pp=20
There are two posts of mine on that thread. I've also typed what I like about her in some other thread, but it's essentially repeating the same thing I've said in the pairings thread, so...

[isentropic]

Mizura! I just finished reading your posts (from page 6, was it?) and you rock! I'd rep you if I know how those things work and if I can already give one in the first place. Excellent, excellent posts about Hinata.

One thing that keep being contested was the fact that Hinata getting up is a minor thing. I can't understand how they came to believe this. From Kurenai's flashbacks, it was obvious that Hinata was a quitter who, once she fails, will just lie back and not try anymore. The fact that she got up time and time again should have shown that this was a big improvement.

I think I'll continue reading that thread. I hope more insightful Hinata posts come up.

(That Arilou person's posts were awesome too)

Oh, for Hyuuga favorites, it would have to be Hinata too, and then Neji, just like you. I never did like shy girls but somehow Hinata is different. She isn't the "typical" shy girl because of the fact that she has shown she can be tough in her own way and I like that. Plus, you gotta love a person who knows their own weakness and tries hard to change it.

Later!

[Intrepid]

Uchiha/Hyuuga, that's a bit far fetched, but what the heck! If their are Uchiha/Hyuuga fans out there, then welcome them! Although there's already a Sasuke/Hinata fan club already. But if you mean other Uchiha and Hyuuga family members, then they can hang out here if they want. Nothing personal against Sasuke/Hinata, just that they already have a more specific club already.

[kaiyrah]

Er... sorry if I'm intruding. But I'm a new member and would LOVE to join. I've been obsessed with Hyuugacest for quite a while.

I have a couple of new offerings. There are a few NejiHina fics at my livejournal that I haven't posted on fanfiction.net yet... here's one of them: http://www.livejournal.com/users/kaiyrah/44836.html

Also, I have a Hyuugacest FF.net c2 community: Hyuuga: Jyuuken (http://www.fanfiction.net/c2/37/0/1/)

And my NejiHina site that I've been ignoring for a couple of months... ^^; I'm slowly trying to kick it alive though. Some staff would help *winkwinknudgenudge*: Why the Caged Bird Sings (http://white-rain.org/kage)

...Last thing, I promise. ^^; Here's a Japanese site that has really beautiful art: http://karsi.vis.ne.jp/israk/
Once you enter the site, click on the fourth button down on the left side of the page.

If you ever need some fanart or fanfic recs, come to mee. I have lots of resources. :D

[Intrepid]

Sure, welcome kaiyrah to our club and the board. Hope you enjoy, aren't message boards just so fun? Wow awesome, the first Neji and Hinata site I've seen! I've thought to starting, but just gave up on the idea, I don't like writing character bios very much. And for joining our club, here are some milk and cookies, a year supply of instant ramen (although they are not very healthy food), and samples of whatever type of tea Hinata had for Neji and Hiashi (whatever it is, I'm sure it must have been expensive). Sorry we are a small club and don't have much actual stuff to offer at the moment (like media files, computer goodies and etc.). Oh that reminds me! I should make some.

[Hyuuga-YoungIsh]

I wanna join ADD ME

[Intrepid]

Sure. Welcome! Here have some tea with us.

[Phosphorus]

Er... sorry if I'm intruding. But I'm a new member and would LOVE to join. I've been obsessed with Hyuugacest for quite a while.

I have a couple of new offerings. There are a few NejiHina fics at my livejournal that I haven't posted on fanfiction.net yet... here's one of them: http://www.livejournal.com/users/kaiyrah/44836.html

Also, I have a Hyuugacest FF.net c2 community: Hyuuga: Jyuuken (http://www.fanfiction.net/c2/37/0/1/)

And my NejiHina site that I've been ignoring for a couple of months... ^^; I'm slowly trying to kick it alive though. Some staff would help *winkwinknudgenudge*: Why the Caged Bird Sings (http://white-rain.org/kage)

...Last thing, I promise. ^^; Here's a Japanese site that has really beautiful art: http://karsi.vis.ne.jp/israk/
Once you enter the site, click on the fourth button down on the left side of the page.

If you ever need some fanart or fanfic recs, come to mee. I have lots of resources. :D

Very nice. UPDATE IT! (your site)

[Intrepid]

fanfiction challenge

Summary: Forget about arrange marriages, Neji and Hinata find themselves trapped by their clan. (You are free to make up your own reasons, please expand and explain on them). As friends/cousins they run away together. They wander around in the Naruto universe... and the rest is up to you.

Length: I don't think you can really fit this all in a one-shot. Maybe 8-20 chapters

Rating: All allowed, except for plotless lemon/lime

I normally don't write up challenges, so there's really not much of anything else for me to say. Have fun enjoy writing. ^_~

[Tifaeria]

So you can have a lemon in it, just make sense with the story?

[Mizura]

Um.... the problem is I really don't see Neji and Hinata running away, save for the whole clan dying off first. See that cursed seal of Neji's can probably be activated from a long distance... ah well.

By the way Kaiyrah, nice site! I've noticed you linked to one of my posts in the Articles/Essays section by the way. You know you're free to upload it directly onto your site, there's no problem directly linking it to this forum, though forums posts are not the most stable mediums (it might one day get deleted by accident or similar), so just putting it up on your site is probably the simplest solution... You might also add, where NejiTenten is concerned, that the manga is pointing towards LeeTenten at this point anyway.

[Phosphorus]

Um.... the problem is I really don't see Neji and Hinata running away, save for the whole clan dying off first. See that cursed seal of Neji's can probably be activated from a long distance... ah well.

By the way Kaiyrah, nice site! I've noticed you linked to one of my posts in the Articles/Essays section by the way. You know you're free to upload it directly onto your site, there's no problem directly linking it to this forum, though forums posts are not the most stable mediums (it might one day get deleted by accident or similar), so just putting it up on your site is probably the simplest solution... You might also add, where NejiTenten is concerned, that the manga is pointing towards LeeTenten at this point anyway.

NejiTen? Bleh. I hate that pairing.

[harukahanata]

................?

[isentropic]

Late, yes, but I'd still like to welcome the newbies (since I'm fairly new too, heh).

fanfiction challenge

Summary: Forget about arrange marriages, Neji and Hinata find themselves trapped by their clan. (You are free to make up your own reasons, please expand and explain on them). As friends/cousins they run away together. They wander around in the Naruto universe... and the rest is up to you.

Length: I don't think you can really fit this all in a one-shot. Maybe 8-20 chapters

Rating: All allowed, except for plotless lemon/lime

I normally don't write up challenges, so there's really not much of anything else for me to say. Have fun enjoy writing. ^_~
Hey there, Magpie. Great idea for a fanfiction challenge! But do you think it'll be okay to have challenges for shorter, vignette-like stories too? Or maybe some sort of drabble-a-thon or a round robin. Maybe we can do it here if the mods allowed it. :D

You might also add, where NejiTenten is concerned, that the manga is pointing towards LeeTenten at this point anyway.
Oh, something I've always wondered about NejiTen: Where did it came from? Aside from Tenten's know-how into Neji's skills, does she or Neji show any kind of hints to being romantic? I admit that I did see some LeeTen at the end of Part 1 (238, was it? When Tenten gave Lee that twinkly-eyed smile?) but I think my manga knowledge is too limited to have seen it if it were ever shown. Hey there, harukahanata! Since you're a fan of the pairing, would you care to fill me in?

Kaiyrah - your site is wonderful! I've actually seen it before you linked it here (signed the guestbook too, :D) and was wondering if you still need that help. If you do, then I'd be more than happy to help you! There are (as far as I know) no NejiHina-centric English sites out there and I'm glad you made one! *glomps*

That is all.

[Intrepid]

So you can have a lemon in it, just make sense with the story?

Sure. If you think it goes with the mood/sense of the story then do as you wish.

[Tifaeria]

Whee, alright! I just never written one before, but if this challenge says it's ok, I will try....If not, at least I wrote something.

[Mizura]

Hmm, I've just noticed that my post was in the wrong fc. Ah well. Magpie, you actually joined the anti-Hinata fc? :oh I don't mind, it's just that I find having the owner of the Hyuugacest (ie 90% NejiHina) fc be an anti-Hinata person a bit weird.

[Hyuuga Fugen]

NejiTen? Bleh. I hate that pairing.

I love that pairing
but leextenten is good too
you know if they making babies...
a cute little baby with a thick eyebrow and mickey head :P

I'm not joining anyway

[isentropic]

Hmm, I've just noticed that my post was in the wrong fc. Ah well. Magpie, you actually joined the anti-Hinata fc? :oh I don't mind, it's just that I find having the owner of the Hyuugacest (ie 90% NejiHina) fc be an anti-Hinata person a bit weird.
But that person, the co-owner of the anti-Hinata FC I think (Aethos, right?), though I kept seeing posts of him regarding his Hinata hate, I keep seeing posts of him saying he like pairing Hinata up with . . . Sasuke, I think. And if I'm not mistaken, he's part of this FC too, right? So . . . I don't really think it's a far-fetched thing, hating a character and shipping them with someone. In a different fandom, there is a pair I really support although their characters separately are one of those which are in the bottom of my "liked" lists. I also ship a pairing where I only like a character *if* they are in that pairing. Weird, eh?

but leextenten is good too
you know if they making babies...
a cute little baby with a thick eyebrow and mickey head :P
Oh, what a lovely visual! :D A thick-eyebrow Mickey haired child. Hey, it's not actually bad! I wonder if there's a LeeTen FC here?

*looks*

[Mizura]

No no, what I find weird isn't when a person likes a pairing but hates one of the characters in it. What I find weird is that the Leader of the Hyuugacest (which is practically the NejiHina fc) may dislike one of the characters enough to join the anti- fanclub. :P I mean... you'd expect the leader to be particularly fond of the pairing, right? And that usually means being at least partly fond of each of its components. Aethos there, he supports SasuHina and NejiHina, but it's not like he's rabid about it or anything. At least I don't think so, now that the anti-Hinata fc is up and the anti-Hinata people are claiming that Hinata will die an old virgin, Aethos there had joined the clamor as well. I then asked him if he still supported SasuHina or not, and his answer was "uh...". :P

I really don't mind actually, Magpie can join both the anti-Hinata fc and the (nonexisting) anti-Neji fc for all I care. I just find it weird. People who actively support a pairing (which is something I'd think true of a fc leader, but that's just an impression I have) usually like both characters, at least when they're paired together... (Aethos doesn't like Hinata even when she's paired up with Sasuke or Neji. Go figure. :P )

...

Besides, finding out that Aethos liked SasuHina and NejiHina at all was actually one of my weirdest discoveries in this forum. He hated Sasuke, and he hated Hinata (now he just hates Hinata), and he supported SasuHina. I asked him if he supported SasuHina because it was basically pairing up the two people he hated most. He said no, and his answer was something in the lines of "they look cute together". My response was a big sweatdrop, before I started nervously at the situation (I had never thought that the Naruto Forums' #1 Hinata basher would use cute and Hinata in the same sentence, much less with Sasuke...). Either "cute" or "kind". Somethine like that.

[isentropic]

What I find weird is that the Leader of the Hyuugacest (which is practically the NejiHina fc) may dislike one of the characters enough to join the anti- fanclub. :P
Ah yes, I see your point now. Heh. :D I guess it takes real support/devotion to actually start an FC club. The thing is, I understand why she could possibily do that. I only looked through the first few posts in the anti-Hinata fanclub, but I do understand what they're trying to say. Hinata fangirling (fanboy-ing?) is so rampant and usually sexually-oriented that one can't *help* but think it's Just. Too. Much. I don't blame Hinata though. Hinata, as she is in canon, is someone who deserves some attention, IMO. It should be the fans who takes things to the extremes who should be blamed.

I noticed a pattern in Aethos' posts. His Hinata hate seem to have stemmed from the Hinata-fanboy belief that Hinata is almost Mary Sue-ish in perfection (which is, far from canon anyway) and how she's so powerful and sexy and hott and whatever else. I am lucky to not have seen too much of these (I tend to stay away from severe fan-squeeing of characters) but I guess too much of this can really make one hate a character.

And the conversation about Hinata's bust size is just plain ridiculous. She's 12, for goodness sake. At that age, it's already usually budding, yes, but not the the point where it demands THAT kind of attention.

Uhm . . . never mind. Heh. Don't hate Hinata, just the fanbase she has developed. It gets really frustrating when people who likes Hinata gets labelled just because of this.

[Mizura]

Oh that, yes, most anti-Hinata fans do admit that their #1 reason for hating Hinata is because of the "scary rabid perverted fanboys". Even I'm wary of them. Those who don't say it... well I haven't truly come across anyone who truly "hates" Hinata just for who she is, she's the type that you'd usually dismiss and ignore when you don't think much of her. The rabid fans just made ignoring a bit impossible. *shrugs*

But the fact remains that it's called the "anti-Hinata" fanclub, not the "anti-Hinata-fanboys" fanclub. :P

[isentropic]

Besides, finding out that Aethos liked SasuHina and NejiHina at all was actually one of my weirdest discoveries in this forum. He hated Sasuke, and he hated Hinata (now he just hates Hinata), and he supported SasuHina. I asked him if he supported SasuHina because it was basically pairing up the two people he hated most. He said no, and his answer was something in the lines of "they look cute together". My response was a big sweatdrop, before I started nervously at the situation (I had never thought that the Naruto Forums' #1 Hinata basher would use cute and Hinata in the same sentence, much less with Sasuke...). Either "cute" or "kind". Somethine like that.
Er, heh, only saw this now. You have one fast internet access. That or this forum is just really quite traffic heavy for my dial-up.

Anyway, hehe . . . I find this quite funny. Still, perhaps there is *something* in the SasuHina pairing that really draws him or something. If he hates two characters that passionately, yet can say, "cute" in regards to that pairing, then maybe he likes it a great deal, na? I was never really a fan of SasuHina until Sunfreak made that awesome vignette entitled These are the Facts and read Hana J's fanfic titled Hesitant Love and her little ficlet (untitled) about how Sasuke started noticing Hinata. I guess great fanfic can really convert anyone, but *those* fanfics came off as so natural and with that, "could-possibily-happen" feel that I actually became a semi-shipper. Perhaps one should ask how he started liking the pairing. :P

But the fact remains that it's called the "anti-Hinata" fanclub, not the "anti-Hinata-fanboys" fanclub. :P
Oh yes. Perhaps someone should tell them that? Or at least, a joint FC, with hating Hinata AND her perverted fanboys? Ah, well . . . never mind. Heh.

[Mizura]

Yes, I Do have very fast internet access. Thank you College dorm. :amuse

But yes, there Is something excessively cute about certain SasuHina fics. I was simply surprised that Aethos would read anything with Hinata in it in the first place (though he did say that it was before he started hating Hinata with a passion...). I simply avoid fics with pairings or people I dislike (I must have read less than 5 SasuSaku fics up till now... well, unless you count those NaruHina/SasuSaku/NejiTen/ShikaIno fics, but I usually skip the SasuSaku parts :P ), the only reason I know what most NaruHina fics are like is because I Used to like that pairing, but have since stopped reading it. To my knowledge, Aethos was never Quite NaruHina, so I kind of raise an eyebrow whenever he gives an accurate description of NaruHina fics. Ah well.

This SasuHina fic by the way (that was published in a livejournal community but not on ff.net to my knowledge) was very cute as well:

http://www.livejournal.com/community/uchihahyuga/3173.html#cutid1

Ahem, we're getting off the subject of Hyuugacest here. Ah well. Then again, we talk about other pairings on the NaruSaku thread as well. *shrugs* And the Hyuugas and Uchihas are Sort of related, ne? :P

As for the anti-Hinata fc, bah. I let them vent. I usually vent about people I dislike in various places but hey, it's probably a lot cleaner to vent in one concentrated area. But that's a rather good idea of yours: changing the fc name from the Anti-Hinata fc to the Anti-Hinata and her perverted fanboys fc instead. Maybe the title would be a bit long though. Ah well. Aethos and Magpie are both in that fanclub as well as this one, if they think it's a good idea they can suggest it themselves (by changing the name, I'm sure they can gget even more members heh).

[isentropic]

Yes, I Do have very fast internet access. Thank you College dorm. :amuse
Darn. I am insanely jealous. >_<

I simply avoid fics with pairings or people I dislike
Same here. That and the fact that I'm not into the romance aspect of Naruto so much (or any fandom for that matter) to actively seek multi-pairing fanfics. I am (fortunately) enamored with only one specific pairing in every fandom I've ever gone into so I always have this specific range of fanfics to look for. It is sort of limiting, but I like character development or plot better than the romance so, if I'm not looking for those pairing-fics I like, I'm looking for gen ones.

This SasuHina fic by the way (that was published in a livejournal community but not on ff.net to my knowledge) was very cute as well:

http://www.livejournal.com/community/uchihahyuga/3173.html#cutid1
Yes! Haha, this is undoubtedly cute. This was the untitled fic I was talking about, aout Sasuke noticing Hinata. The author has a WIP that only has two chapters yet managed to effectively suck me in. She's very talented, that author.

Ahem, we're getting off the subject of Hyuugacest here. [snip] And the Hyuugas and Uchihas are Sort of related, ne? :P
Plus, Magpie *has* stated we can include Uchiha/Hyuuga pairings in this FC, so . . . :D

Maybe the title would be a bit long though. Ah well. Aethos and Magpie are both in that fanclub as well as this one, if they think it's a good idea they can suggest it themselves (by changing the name, I'm sure they can get even more members heh).
Perhaps a slash can be used: Anti-Hinata/HinaTards FC? Er . . . HinaTards are what they call the Hinata pervs, right? If it includes those obsessively creepy fanboys, I think I'll join too. Because, that was one of the first things I noticed when I joined this forum. The sig and pictures with Hinata's face manipulated on other anime characters is highly disturbing, IMO. The Hinata fanbase can be quite a scary thing.

[Mizura]

The multi-pairing fics can indeed get annoying. I avoid them most of the time. Out of the usual pairings used (NaruHina, SasuSaku, NejiTen and ShikaIno), even back then the only two I didn't practically hate were NaruHina (which I Used to like, until I found out how badly it was usually characterized) and ShikaIno (which I had nothing against, though it didn't truly draw me in). But yes, character development is one of the most important aspects, and NaruHina often skips a bit on that. Like how Naruto would just Suddenly fall in love with Hinata. I didn't mind that aspect that much at first... but it was usually accompanied by an overpowered Naruto who basically made Itachi look like a kid, while Hinata was the oh-so-kind person (not a problem) who was unfortunately useless (um...) and thus keeps getting kidnapped and needed rescuing (after half a dozen extremely long fics like that, I gave up). Ah well.

General fics can be quite good, though they're well... a minority. :P I've noticed that fics involving the past of the Legendary Sannin were usually very good though.

Say... about that untitled fic: you mean there's a chapter 2? Or are you talking about a different fic?

Anti-Hinata/HinataTards sounds great by the way. I think I'll actually go suggest it to them. :amuse

Oh yeah... and those darn siggies... and to add insult to injury, some of them don't even look good. :notrust Like the two "Hinata" pictures in Shishou's siggy: one of them is disproportionate. The legs are way too long for the head, it makes her look as though her head is tiny. When I look at it, it just annoys me. Humph. I like to draw a bit so I pay attention to things like this... El Jackal also once had an very ugly sig picture with the faces of Ino, Sakura and Hinata, but he must not have noticed that it was quite badly drawn. Finally I got fed-up and told him, since then he's replaced it with a nicer piccy. :P

[isentropic]

(NaruHina, SasuSaku, NejiTen and ShikaIno)No offense to those who support it (I'm sure these pairings have lovely fanfiction in their own right), but when they're all crammed up together like this in the SAME fanfic, I really have to give. I was only able to read about three or four of these before I gave up entirely. And sadly, I've stayed out of the pairings even separately. I might be missing a lot, but I don't really have the energy to go through crud to find one gem.

By the way, Mizura, you're a Naru/Saku fan, right? Cause, a friend of mine and I had a talk (about NejiHina and he wasn't squicked by it; one more point for cousins-not-incest!) and after that, he gave me some opinions about the Sasuke-Sakura-Naruto triangle that made go all, "Ah! It's Naru/Saku all the way!" Which I was quite suprised at cause I was extremely vehement against the SasuSaku and NaruSaku pairing when I started being a Naruto fan. Anyway, my point was that, do you think you can link me to some posts (of yours too, if you don't mind) supporting them? I tried the NaruSaku FC but it has too many pages and the most recent ones weren't really talking about them all that much. That is, if you don't mind.

(and I'm asking this in a Hyuugacest FC. Oh well . . . ;))

Say... about that untitled fic: you mean there's a chapter 2? Or are you talking about a different fic?Oh, sorry, sorry. I meant that the author has one other SasuHina story (apart from that untitled one) that is a WIP with only two chapters, yet managed to hook me instantly. Sorry for the confusion. ^_^v She really is a great writer. I guess it can't be helped.

General fics can be quite good, though they're well... a minority. :P I've noticed that fics involving the past of the Legendary Sannin were usually very good though.Sadly, yes, they are indeed a minority. Still, those few ones are really excellently written that I find myself being more determined to find some. Sannin-fics are generally so angsty that I try NOT to look for some, but one comes up, I read it and go look for more, regardless of what I know I'll feel like after. There are too many great authors in this fandom.

@siggies: I'm illiterate when it comes to drawing style, terms and whatever else, and even *I* can see that there is something unproportional about most of those sigs. And the fact that they so frickin' BIG also gets on my nerves. Gah!

[Mizura]

NaruSaku arguments? Certainly! If I can find them...

Hum... *sweatdrops as she notices that many NaruSaku arguments are inbeded within NaruHina vs NaruSaku arguments, who usually turn redundant very quickly. Darn* Ah well. I haven't found that much I guess, but here's a few threads:

http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=415&page=97&pp=20
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=415&page=102&pp=20

http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=415&page=140&pp=20

For the first two, look for the posts of a guy named Smiter. For the last one, look for mine. The truth is I also didn't support NaruSaku in the beginning, I didn't Quite see it though I was not closed to the possibility.

Then the timeskip happened. So to sum up, the two main arguments going for NaruSaku are:
- they complement each other: "Heaven and Earth" (see the link I give later)
- yet at the same time they are equals. Not in strength perhaps, but they respect each other as equals now. They see eye to eye, see my posts in that last page I linked to.
- character development: NaruSaku didn't happen in a flash. Sakura only slowly came to realize how much Naruto cared for her. Naruto seems to have given up a bit on Sakura because he thinks she loves Sasuke... but that doesn't mean he doesn't still care for her, and it also shows that he's grown beyond the stage of a childish crush. The very thing that makes NaruSaku appealing is that it has Not been obvious since the start.

Smiter anyway is actually a NaruHina-er turned NaruSaku-er as well. I suggest checking out the NaruSaku site linked in the first page of the NaruSaku thread: Heaven and Earth:
http://www.freewebs.com/buu123

It's not what changed my opinion since I didn't actually notice it until after I had already started supporting the pairing (besides their forum is full of KibaHina-ers, and that pairing just annoys me). But apparently, it's what converted Smiter. Anyway, if you want to know more NaruSaku, you could always hang out at the NaruSaku fc thread, I had actually hanged around there for about 20 pages before they finally said "you know... you Could just join...". :P

[isentropic]

Thanks so much for the links! I'm off to check them now. Do you happen to know any similarly-themed posts that is pro-NejiHina? I know it's quite an unconventional pairing with, perhaps, a relatively small fanbase, but with all the, "Eww! Inceesst!" things that goes on, surely there are supporters posting, eh? Ah, well, it's fine even if there isn't. Just asking. Thanks again!

"you know... you Could just join...":D ! I think I will, in time. I still need more convincing though. I was so into NejiHina when I psyched myself to enter the Naruto fandom that I was quite admant in making it the only pairing I truly ship. Ah, well, I could always lurk, eh? I do that to the SasuHina FC and the ShikaTem FC anyway. :D

Smiter anyway is actually a NaruHina-er turned NaruSaku-er as well.I was never truly a NaruHina shipper. I disliked SasuSaku because I hated how Sasuke treated her and how Sakura was when she's with him (Sakura gives me the, "So FAKE!" vibes when she's with Sasuke because, well, she IS trying to impress him and genrally, trying to NOT be herself most of the time) and hated NaruSaku because Sakura didn't respect him at all and generally thinks he's aloser not worth her time (and the fact that she seems to undermine what Naruto does while magnifying every little thing Sasuke does). I guess I *was* more in favor of NaruHina then though, if only because I wanted Naruto to be seen as he *is* and Hinata seems to do that.

But then, Sakura changed and suddenly, she's caring for Naruto too. She didn't get on my nerves anymore. When she screams Sasuke's name in fear for his health, Naruto's name is right behind it and I liked it. Still didn't like NaruSaku but, I at least didn't hate it anymore. Then, there was talk my friend and I had and it sort of nearly clinched it for me. Gotta read those posts. Might convert me totally. :)

Annnnnd! To keep this on-topic and somewhat related to this FC, the first ship I ever really sailed was NejiHina, although fanfic helped with that. For some reason I fail to remember, I started googling Neji Hinata and came across moonsheen's fanfic which was so beautiful in all it's less-than-500-word glory (not to mention emotionally packed and with that hopeful, might-get-better view at the end) that I just had to read more.

There. Heh. :D

[Mizura]

^ Ah-heh, the thing is, the NaruSaku fc is practically the NaruSaku/NejiHina fanclub. ^^; Several of the most prominent members of that thread (including me, ahem) are pro-NejiHina, so we often discuss NejiHina in there as well. Ah, um, but I don't remember any specific threads, at least no posts with conveniently concentrated NejiHina, we just bring it up now and often, causing Magpie to sometimes go in there and say "hey guys, how about putting some the of NejiHina discussions in the NejiHina fc? Eh?" Heh. :P

Anyway, *waves NejiHina flag*.

[Intrepid]

Hmm, I've just noticed that my post was in the wrong fc. Ah well. Magpie, you actually joined the anti-Hinata fc? :oh I don't mind, it's just that I find having the owner of the Hyuugacest (ie 90% NejiHina) fc be an anti-Hinata person a bit weird.

I don't like Hinata very much, it's all due to friends at school. They all like her, think she's cool, thinks she's sexy, and I guess the part that ticks me off the most they keep trying to brainwash me saying: Naruto will fall in love with Hinata. Then on with the NaruHina talk.
I don't hate her, I just don't like her compared to other female characters. But I still support her and Neji. Just like I'm a ShikaIno fan, but I think Shika is a creep, because he looks like my ex.

EDIT: Oh yea, and I actually like Neji a lot, his rants about destiny are captivating. Due to personal experience, I kinda have to agree with him a bit.

Eh? Are you guys planning to impeach me?

No offense to those who support it (I'm sure these pairings have lovely fanfiction in their own right), but when they're all crammed up together like this in the SAME fanfic, I really have to give. I was only able to read about three or four of these before I gave up entirely. And sadly, I've stayed out of the pairings even separately. I might be missing a lot, but I don't really have the energy to go through crud to find one gem.

By the way, Mizura, you're a Naru/Saku fan, right? Cause, a friend of mine and I had a talk (about NejiHina and he wasn't squicked by it; one more point for cousins-not-incest!) and after that, he gave me some opinions about the Sasuke-Sakura-Naruto triangle that made go all, "Ah! It's Naru/Saku all the way!" Which I was quite suprised at cause I was extremely vehement against the SasuSaku and NaruSaku pairing when I started being a Naruto fan. Anyway, my point was that, do you think you can link me to some posts (of yours too, if you don't mind) supporting them? I tried the NaruSaku FC but it has too many pages and the most recent ones weren't really talking about them all that much. That is, if you don't mind.

(and I'm asking this in a Hyuugacest FC. Oh well . . . ;))


Yea, you're right we haven't been talking about NaruSaku much. We talk about Gaara, Kakashi, Neji and Hinata, and etc. We just get bored around there sometimes, and talk about very random subjects.

[Tifaeria]

No! We don't wanna impeach you. I feel the same way towards Sasuke but I believe that Hinata would be the only one right for him if he had to choose a girl. We wuv you! *huggles*

[Mizura]

*cough* You mean you have to put up with NaruHinaTards in REAL life? Ack, poor you. I understand now.

[isentropic]

They all like her, think she's cool, thinks she's sexy, and I guess the part that ticks me off the most they keep trying to brainwash me saying: Naruto will fall in love with Hinata. Then on with the NaruHina talk.Gyeh. I can't believe it. My friends and I have been Naruto fans for years and we've never had a serious discussion about pairings. We talked about the obvious ones, like the Hinata->Naruto->Saukra->Sauske one-sided that goes on and what among those we like or don't, but that's it. Okay, I'm admittedly a Hinata fan but . . . how can she be sexy? She's cute and sometimes, her shyness can both be irritating and endearing but . . . one can even say she might be pretty, but sexy? I know Ino looks really pretty and for a 12-year-old, has a very, er, nice proportions . . . but Hinata doesn't even have the same getup. She's usually covered, right? Okay, shall stop. Feel like I'm bashing your friends (I'm sorry about that, by the way).

Eh? Are you guys planning to impeach me?Not at all! :D Didn't even cross my mind. Sorry if it seems that way. I guess I can actually relate because I was sort of shipping NejiHina when Neji was still getting on my nerves and that's almost the same right?

I feel the same way towards Sasuke but I believe that Hinata would be the only one right for him if he had to choose a girl.I can relate. Sort of. I don't even like Sasuke all that much (and hardly talk about him at all, really) unless it's in shipping and the only person I can ship him with is Hinata. Gotta wonder why that is, eh?

By the way, FC question: When the time comes that any Hyuuga is shown in the manga (in this second part), how do you think they'd have changed? Will Neji actually smile more like what he does with Hinata at chapter 238? Do you think Hinata has enough confidence to look other people in the eyes without blushing or stuttering? Will Hanabi make an appearance? How about Hiashi?

Okay, who can tell that the last sentence was a feeble attempt to stay on topic? Heh . . . :P

[Tifaeria]

Link!
http://www.geocities.jp/kanatamade12/top.htm
Ttyl. Sleep. *snore*

[isentropic]

Tifaeria! That is SO cute! Oh man, oh man, you are a godsend! I . . . think I'm gonna join SasuHina FC too . . .

Shoot!

I'm entertaining joining NaruSaku and NOW, SasuHina too . . . ? Hehe, well, at least they don't overlap ('cept SasuHina overlaps with NejiHina. >_<)

Would you mind linking some more art that you know? Er, that is, when you wake up. :D Thanks a lot!

[Intrepid]

Sure, are you looking for SasuHina art or NaruSaku, I've seen a lot of pretty NaruSaku art. I'll find the list I made, for now all I could come up with on top of my head is http://soritia.deviantart.com/

Oh no! I gotta go to school now, be back later with more links.

[isentropic]

Thanks for the link! Hee, I'm getting lots of things to do now. Thanks a lot, guys! :D

. . . are you looking for SasuHina art or NaruSaku . . . Both please, if it's okay. Magpie, are you a fan of SasuHina too? I was wondering what ships you support (aside from NejiHina, NaruSaku and ShikaIno) but it's okay if you dn't anwer, heh. :)

Good luck at school!

[hyuuga2004]

hey, i want to join, can i ?????

[Venatrix]

I'll join you guys to, if you let me that is ;)

[isentropic]

Welcome Hyuuga2004 and Ventrix! Welcome guys! Heh, glad you could join us.

Just out of curiosity, may I know what Hyuugacest pairing you like the most and what drew you to the pairing in the first place? Heh, no need to answer. Am just really curious.

Again, welcome!

[Mizura]

I can relate. Sort of. I don't even like Sasuke all that much (and hardly talk about him at all, really) unless it's in shipping and the only person I can ship him with is Hinata. Gotta wonder why that is, eh?
Maybe because Sasuke actually doesn't act like a jerk in SasuHina fics? Well... sometimes he does... But at least he's not running off to Oro or anything. ^^;
By the way, FC question: When the time comes that any Hyuuga is shown in the manga (in this second part), how do you think they'd have changed? Will Neji actually smile more like what he does with Hinata at chapter 238? Do you think Hinata has enough confidence to look other people in the eyes without blushing or stuttering? Will Hanabi make an appearance? How about Hiashi?
Yes, Neji will smile more. Well, maybe not Smile smile (when you're on a mission, you don't exactly spend your time going :laugh ). But he'd certainly have lightened up a bit. Hinata probably has gained more confidence as well, they wouldn't have made her a chuunin if she weren't capable of ordering at least Some people around (hmm, that sounded strange. I meant order around in the sense that chuunins are supposed to be able to be team leaders). She might still feel nervous around Naruto though. I think she'd have grown out of her stutter in any case, it was semi-understandable when she was a weak unconfident 13-years-old, but now she must have matured along with the rest of the cast. I Do wonder how she'll look though, after seeing Sakura's make-over I'm curious as to how Kishimoto aged her, mostly her facial features and maybe her hairstyle (what, you were expecting me to talk about boobs? :notrust I'm a heterosexual girl who thinks that breasts do nothing but get in the way, thank you very much).

Hanabi... she's actually something of a wild card. She might not appear at all. Then again Kishimoto might decide to do something with her. My opinion though is that she's still too young right now, she's just about Konohamaru's age and Konohamaru isn't even a genin yet. Because he's not a genin yet I'd not expect much from him, and since he's a somewhat more important character than Hanabi (marginal as he is, though, that makes Hanabi even more marginal...), Hanabi would probably not play a big role yet either. She might get a role where Hinata is concerned... but Hinata herself isn't exactly a main character, so...

Hiashi might be seen commenting on the progress of Hinata and Neji. :thumbs He's qualified for that, after all. But apart from that, he's from the older generation so we won't be seeing him in action. Ah well.

Okay, who can tell that the last sentence was a feeble attempt to stay on topic? Heh . . . :P
Probably everyone. But hey.

[Venatrix]

I'm really curious about how the relationship betwean Hinata and Neji will devalop, and how she will win her father's awknolagement, if ever.

[Mizura]

Well since the mood has lightened up considerably... her father probably now accepts her more as well. It may seem rather sudden and unexpected, but then again, I myself was extremely surprised by how quickly things lightened up. :notrust I was actually a bit upset that they did it with no reason whatsoever, apart from Hiashi apologizing to Neji but how come that took away the angst in the Entire Hyuuga household? If they wanted to make things suddenly go well, at least they could have added some explanations, meh...

That and they made Hinata serve tea. Geez, I never hear the end of that scene from anti-Hinata people ( <- from even before the fc was created). Whenever the topic of whether she's improved or not is brought up, they all go "HaH! She serves tea!" I mean just What was Kishimoto thinking? Ah well, at least now she's made chuunin, though it'd be nice if we could actually See how she improved so that people don't claim she's still a weak stuttering genin. Kishimoto really is taking his sweet time, I'm not even that interested in the present arc of the manga. When are the others showing up? Hinata, Neji, Lee, Chouji (I want to see how he changed physically @_@ )... Come on Kishi! *poke* *poke poke*

[Tifaeria]

I don't get it. What's so bad about serving tea? They have something against being nice to others?

[Mizura]

No no, it's just that they use that as "evidence" that Hinata is more suited to housework than training. :notrust

[Grimlock]

Don't they know that she might like to do it?

[isentropic]

Maybe because Sasuke actually doesn't act like a jerk in SasuHina fics? Well... sometimes he does... But at least he's not running off to Oro or anything. ^^;Haha! Well, yes, I guess that IS a factor. Haven't really read that much SasuHina to come up with a conclusion though. :D

Well, maybe not Smile smileIf he did, there better be a kick-ass explanation on why. I'm still sort of questioning the change Neji had for 238. I don't really know how many days/weeks/months have passed since the end of the Chase Arc and Neji's recovery but I'm still wondering about why he was suddenly so nice. It's either his near-death experience made him rethink his attitude towards someone who could have been his friend (Hinata), his near-death experience made him swallow his pride a little so that he can improve (Hiashi) or maybe he finally realized that he could be important whether or not he was chained to somesuch destiny or whatever. It could also be something entirely different, but I'm too lazy for speculative thoughts right now. :P

Also, as fond as I am of fanfics were Hinata visits Neji while he is recovering and their relationship progresses from acquaintances-who-are-uneasy-in-each-other's-presence to something-resembling-friendship, I'm quite sure that whatever happened to Neji is somehow, er, by himself. If I recall correctly, Hinata was surprised when Neji said, "Hinata-sama . . . " in chapter 238 and asked him about Naruto. Still, she could just be surprised at the abrupt conversation but . . . Ehh . . .

hmm, that sounded strange. :laugh Not at all. I did understand it. After all, wasn't Shikamaru chosen as a Chuunin so early because he possessed the most valuable quality of being a Chuunin (which is leadership)? If Hinata was able to progress, surely the examiners saw something in her that was Chuunin-worthy. And also, since Hiashi seems more tolerant of her now, perhaps he is training her to become the Hyuuga heir, which is a position where leadership is VERY important, na?

what, you were expecting me to talk about boobs?Haha! :laugh Didn't even thought about it. If you did, I'd completely ignore it anyway. I'm a heterosexual female too. I don't like Hinata for the debatable size of her breasts.

Hiashi might be seen commenting on the progress of Hinata and Neji.Or maybe talking with Tsunade for some Konoha-related thing? Heh, after all, Hyuugas are at the top of the Clan hierarchy, right? I do think Hanabi is too young too, and she seems to be closer to her father than Hinata (I don't recall her having interaction with Hinata in the manga at all). Still, perhaps she and Hinata can spar together or something, since she's eing considered as a genius too (right? Or am I exaggerating because of fanfics?)

I'm really curious about how the relationship betwean Hinata and Neji will devalop, and how she will win her father's awknolagement, if ever.Great question. I'm gonna think long and hard to properly state an answer to this question. Heh . . .

That and they made Hinata serve tea.Actually . . . . . . I didn't view this scene as anything domestically-related or "Hinata is only good for serving tea!"-message at all. I see it as Hinata serving her father -- someone who, in one of her flashbacks, thought she was a failure and didn't seem to care about her enough to acknowledge her presence, and her cousin Neji -- someone who, before that moment, thought she was a weakling and deserve not the title she was fortunate enough to have, someone who made her tremble in fear for just looking at her.

I viewed this scene as Kishi showing that, indeed, something HAS changed in the Hyuuga household. Neji and Hiashi are training together in a way that is reminiscent of a family. Hinata comes into the picture and instead of looking disdainfully at her, her father smiles and says, "How about a break?" (or something, forgot the words) to Neji. Instead of eyeing her hatefully, Neji smiles at her. Hinata was ale to look both her father and Neji in the eye. Surely this is a good thing, right?

Hmm . . . When I first saw this scene, all I thought was that, it's a good scene. I didn't really think that some people would see it as Hinata only being good for domestic stuff. Huh . . . One learns something new everyday.

Don't they know that she might like to do it?Heh, well, since people who say this don't seem to like her a lot, I guess they wouldn't really be thinking of that part of the spectrum. Still, for someone who is deemed useless, I bet Hinata WOULD be sort of happy for having something to do. Maybe . . .

[Intrepid]

Welcome hyuuga2004 and Venatrix, hope you have fun at our humble little club.

isentropic, actually so far I only support to NaruSaku, NejiHina, NaruSasu, and ShikaIno. I'm don't seem to mind other ships very much, except for NaruHina and SasuSaku, that I stay away from. But SasuHina, KibaHina, I don't mind, especially when it comes to fan art. If the artist has nicely drawn works I look at it regardless of the pairing. SasuHina in fact look good together, they have somewhat of a dark/mysterious aura around them. SasuHina fans are also nice, since the is barely any SasuHina interaction, they seem to focus on more idealistic or fannon theories rather than buzzing around dictating who is going to end up with who in the cannon. I guess that's the same thing with NejiHina.

I never knew the tea serving scen was a spoiler. Anyway I doubt Hinata is going to spend all her time serving tea. The purpose of the scene as isentropic previously mentioned is to show the improvement in communication in the Hyuuga household. Plus, we got to see Hinata in a different set of clothes. I think, it's one of the two scenes Hinata looks pretty. So it's one of my favorite scenes, it's just too cute for a NejiHina fan to resist.

[isentropic]

SasuHina in fact look good together, they have somewhat of a dark/mysterious aura around them.Haha, yeah, I guess they do, don't they? They both have that dark hair and, er, not-so-cheerful disposition. :P (but then, so IS NejiHina, na? Oookay . . . Neji and Sasuke are a lot alike too, right? Err . . . never mind)

. . . they seem to focus on more idealistic or fannon theories rather than buzzing around dictating who is going to end up with who in the cannon.Oh, yes. I'm a lurker there and I saw those posts about why some people could possibly like it when tey possibly have no interaction at all. Still, I'd rather have nice theoretical discussions than heated deates about questionable and vague moments in canon that depends on one's perception. After all, we see what we want to see right? I usually stay away from heavily canon-supported pairings because of the massive ship wars they always carry. Meh . . . Good thing NejiHina peeps are nice too (and intelligent. Defence of Hyuugacest, NejiHina in particular, are really thought-provoking :D)

(By the way, if you don't mind, do you have any other fanart links I can view? :D)

[dylate]

hyuugacest?? what kind of name is that??

[Mizura]

Haha! :laugh Didn't even thought about it. If you did, I'd completely ignore it anyway. I'm a heterosexual female too. I don't like Hinata for the debatable size of her breasts.
You're a girl? ^^; Ah well. By the way, I've noticed that your name is not on the list of Hinata fans, so just out of curiosity, are you one or not? Or do you just like the NejiHina pairing (perfectly fine)? Or did you simply not join because some of the fan members (the perverted idiots) scared you away? :P
Hmm . . . When I first saw this scene, all I thought was that, it's a good scene. I didn't really think that some people would see it as Hinata only being good for domestic stuff. Huh . . . One learns something new everyday.
Trust me. It Is used for that purpose. In fact, Aethos is using that scene in a pm argument we're having right now. -__-

[isentropic]

hyuugacest?? what kind of name is that??Taken from the clan name of the Hyuuga and the suffix "-cest," which is usually attributed to pairings containing in-the-family affairs or simply known as inCEST (like Sandcest and Uchihacest for pairings with Temari/Gaara/Kankurou and Uchiha/Uchiha respectively). Course, depending on where you're from, Neji/Hinata and/or Neji/Hanabi can either be considered incest or not. Er . . . and I have nothing more to say to the name cause I don't really have any other explanation for it either. I really hope that post wasn't written with the, "Eww! Incessst!" mentality. :)

You're a girl?Certain biological differences between male and female anatomy tells me so . . . as does my birth certificate and everyone around me. :p

By the way, I've noticed that your name is not on the list of Hinata fans, so just out of curiosity, are you one or not?Do you mean the list in the Hyuuga Hinata fanclub? See, that was actually one of the first FCs I lurked at, because I AM a Hinata fan (and a heterosexual female one too who has no wish to have perverted thoughts about Hinata. Why do people generalize all Hinata fans as perverted males? O_o) But yeah, I was sort of . . . chased away (?) due to the, er, signatures and continuous comments of "She's so sexy and hott and powerful she could beat anyone!!!" or phrases resembling such that I decided not to join. I was also looking for well thought-out posts of why they do like Hinata but it seemed hard to come by . . . and *again* the blinded squeeing and signatures were really getting to me (I think I saw that picture of Ino, Sakura and Hinata that you were talking about, the one that you didn't like?)

Compared to when I lurked here, I sort of saw all the negative responses and got, er, mad (ahehe . . . ) at all the, "Ew! You people are sick! Incest!" posts that I decided to join to add to the number and maybe keep the thread going. Hopefully, I helped.

Trust me. It Is used for that purpose. In fact, Aethos is using that scene in a pm argument we're having right now.Wow . . . well, I guess it can't be helped. People do see their own perceptions of things.

Still, Aethos' hate for Hinata seems quite well known. I have to wonder if s/he hates Hinata because of Hinata herself, the perverted fanboys, or as a retaliation due to the very vocal opinions of some Hinata fans against Sakura (s/he is, as far as I can tell, a very loyal Sakura fan). I think that had I been a fan of something eing continuously bashed, I might actually retaliate by doing the same thing.

. . . I think.

[Mizura]

Do you mean the list in the Hyuuga Hinata fanclub? See, that was actually one of the first FCs I lurked at, because I AM a Hinata fan (and a heterosexual female one too who has no wish to have perverted thoughts about Hinata. Why do people generalize all Hinata fans as perverted males? O_o) But yeah, I was sort of . . . chased away (?) due to the, er, signatures and continuous comments of "She's so sexy and hott and powerful she could beat anyone!!!" or phrases resembling such that I decided not to join. I was also looking for well thought-out posts of why they do like Hinata but it seemed hard to come by . . . and *again* the blinded squeeing and signatures were really getting to me (I think I saw that picture of Ino, Sakura and Hinata that you were talking about, the one that you didn't like?)
Ah-HAH!!! So you Are one of those people who got scared off by the -'tards. As a result only a few reasonable fans still dare show themselves, leaving many to believe that the unreasonable ones are the only ones to exist. :notrust For a while there, I was scared of showing my face there as well. Ugh.

But now that an anti-Hinata fc has been created, I finally have a reason to get back to them. :P (which is Also part of the reason I don't mind that fanclub at all)


Still, Aethos' hate for Hinata seems quite well known. I have to wonder if s/he hates Hinata because of Hinata herself, the perverted fanboys, or as a retaliation due to the very vocal opinions of some Hinata fans against Sakura (s/he is, as far as I can tell, a very loyal Sakura fan). I think that had I been a fan of something eing continuously bashed, I might actually retaliate by doing the same thing.

. . . I think.
The two highlighted reasons. :amuse I know Aethos quite well by now, in fact we get along just fine in the NaruSaku thread (except where Hinata is concerned, but even then we don't hate each other, I just kick him whenever he bashes her for no reason, and start a counter-debate when he does try to use "reasons"). He's a he by the way. It's hard to tell in forums, isn't it? I'm a girl by the way, if anyone is curious.

It wasn't only the Hinata fans who were anti-Sakura by the way, no need to make him believe they were. However, we did have Sakura who was over-bashed on the one hand, while Hinata was over-Hyped on the other. So he lashed out against the most prominant fandom. *shrugs*

And yes, the -cest part came from "incest", though cousin/cousin relationships aren't considered incest everywhere. However, Hiashi/Hizashi and Hinata/Hanabi Would be incest :amuse (yes, it does exist).

[isentropic]

But now that an anti-Hinata fc has been created, I finally have a reason to get back to them. :P (which is Also part of the reason I don't mind that fanclub at all)Oh! Yes, of course! Maybe you could start intellectual discussions that are pro-Hinata and maybe talks about her possible future. I'd like to join if the club comes to that. :D (random question, are most Hinata fans, REALLY NaruHina supporters? I feel like I'd be suffocated there . . . ^_^x)

He's a he by the way. It's hard to tell in forums, isn't it? I'm a girl by the way, if anyone is curious.Yes, it is. I did think you were a girl, by the way, because I have this tendency to generalize forum-goers as females. :P Most fandoms I've been to are predominantly female-populated, so it got stuck in my mind. I should have known better than to think it would be the same in a Naruto forum. After all, Naruto IS a shonen-manga after all. :P

It wasn't only the Hinata fans who were anti-Sakura by the way, no need to make him believe they were. However, we did have Sakura who was over-bashed on the one hand, while Hinata was over-Hyped on the other.I did quite notice this. I sort of do understand the Sakura-hate. In the first few manga chapters/anime episodes, Sakura got on my nerves SO. MUCH that I have to say that I did hate her once too. But she changed, even BEFORE the second arc, but people doesn't seem to see that. Of course, compared to Naruto and Sasuke, yes, Sakura *will* indeed look useless, but this is an unfair generalization. The series is, after all, aimed at males. Of course it is the males who'll be focused on.

One thing that made me go, "Huh?" when I entered Naruto forums was the hype over Hinata. She's interesting, she's cute (she is! I don't see why people will call her fugly so vehemently) and she shows much potential, yes, but she's isn't SO great as what most people claim. I guess people have this wish to see her become better (I know I do) that it overtakes canon facts and invent this whole Hinata in other's minds.

Oh, I have another FC question(wonder if people will answer): What common Hyuugacest story plotlines do you most often encounter? Do you agree with those?

There . . . just something to further FC-related posts. :D

[Mizura]

Oh! Yes, of course! Maybe you could start intellectual discussions that are pro-Hinata and maybe talks about her possible future. I'd like to join if the club comes to that.
That'd be... even harder. Chasing away the stupidity is hard enough. Now intellectual discussions... I'm sorry to say this, but not That many people can make long-ass posts like I do. ;_; (some can, but not that many, even among the smarter fans)

(random question, are most Hinata fans, REALLY NaruHina supporters? I feel like I'd be suffocated there . . . ^_^x)
Apparently yes, many Hinata fans are NaruHina supporters (reasoning: because Hinata likes him, or because it seems like the only pairing that seems possibly likely without it being "incest" or anything like that. Well, there's KibaHina, some Hinata fans support that as well, but anyway...). That and some people are Hinata fans only because they support NaruHina, because they don't like NaruSaku for one reason or another. Then again the Hinata fc isn't about pairings, so people don't actually Discuss NaruHina in there (they do so in the NaruHina fc). Just like there's no discussion about SasuSaku in the Sakura fc, even though the thread owner is a SasuSaku supporter. In fact, there's usually such a good job of keeping the discussions about pairings out of character fanclubs, that the discussions about the individuals usually occur in the pairings fanclub instead of the individual's fanclub as well. :confused (like... most discussions about Sakura take place in the NaruSaku fc instead of the Sakura fc, which is why the fanclub seemed a bit dead even after Sakura started improving...)

Yes, it is. I did think you were a girl, by the way, because I have this tendency to generalize forum-goers as females. Most fandoms I've been to are predominantly female-populated, so it got stuck in my mind. I should have known better than to think it would be the same in a Naruto forum. After all, Naruto IS a shonen-manga after all.
I usually think the contrary. ^^; Given that there are more males than females on the internet, I usually mistake females for males, though on a few occasions I did mistake males for females (not my fault they were using girly avatars! ;_; ).

One thing that made me go, "Huh?" when I entered Naruto forums was the hype over Hinata. She's interesting, she's cute (she is! I don't see why people will call her fugly so vehemently) and she shows much potential, yes, but she's isn't SO great as what most people claim. I guess people have this wish to see her become better (I know I do) that it overtakes canon facts and invent this whole Hinata in other's minds.
It made me wonder as well. I came in here, a little Hinata fan, thinking that since she's a minor character she probably isn't that much liked by people, then I saw that there were a good number of Hinata fans ( :amuse ) (back when I joined the Hinata fc, it was still inching its way towards 100 members), then I saw that there were a Big number of Hinata fans ( ah? ), then I found out a good number were pervs ( :confused ) and were nothing short of insane ( X_x <- pwned! ), you get the idea. I wouldn't mind if the Hinata fc were a lot smaller, but with more reasonable members. Ah well.

Oh, I have another FC question(wonder if people will answer): What common Hyuugacest story plotlines do you most often encounter? Do you agree with those?
Arranged marriages. :amuse I don't Quite agree with those, but hey, if it works out okay...

On an off-topic note: random stupid thing not to do of the day: download an anime without checking first if it's subbed or not...

[isentropic]

. . . but not That many people can make long-ass posts like I do.Haha! :laugh I was just about to comment on your capability to make really long posts. I talk a lot too, but you manage to make kick-ass posts aside from it being long. But still, it doens't really need to be *really* in-depth posts, just, you know? A few speculations (that has NOTHING to do with her . . . physical attributes), or perceptions and a few squeeing and, "She can kick ____ ass!" posts.

And yes, I did notice that there are great long posts about Sakura's character in the Naru/Saku FC. I love reading them, and how you tie it in with the current happenings of the manga. I wish we have character talks like that here. Like . . .

1) Why the hell did Kabuto heal Hinata? Is it just a foreshadowing on how kick-ass his healing capabilities are? (okay, that was more Kabuto-centric, but . . . you know? I was *really* wondering why. I didn't really see a reason why he would do it, even so far as taking his eyes off of the Naruto-Neji fight AND does this mean Hinata now owes him something?) Is Hinata fully healed now because of it?

2) WHY DID NEJI CHANGE? Because . . . I'm really waiting for a nice theory about it. He didn't seem to show any difference after the Chuunin exams which is when he learns the truth about his father, so why why why only after the Chase Arc?

. . . or something. :D

I wouldn't mind if the Hinata fc were a lot smaller, but with more reasonable members. Ah well.Hmm, I think that's actually the reason I'm so fond of this FC. Since there are only a few members, they're easy to remember and you can talk to them one-on-one sometimes while still continuing your conversations. Na?

On an off-topic note: random stupid thing not to do of the day: download an anime without checking first if it's subbed or not...I feel your pain . . . And I was so frustrated then too, because it took SO long to download anime when you only use dial-up . . . >_<

[Mizura]

1) Why the hell did Kabuto heal Hinata? Is it just a foreshadowing on how kick-ass his healing capabilities are? (okay, that was more Kabuto-centric, but . . . you know? I was *really* wondering why. I didn't really see a reason why he would do it, even so far as taking his eyes off of the Naruto-Neji fight AND does this mean Hinata now owes him something?) Is Hinata fully healed now because of it?
Actually, there was a thread about that, in the Theory's section I believe. Here:
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=13560&page=2&pp=20

Actually, I think there was another thread about it as well... whatever. Basically:
- he probably did that just because he can, or because it's a med-nin instinct
- or he did that to enhance his cover
- or it was a combination of both
- some think he used that as an occasion to grope. :blink

That said, that scene did show no visible purpose. Hopefully in the future they might bring it up again, maybe something happened.


2) WHY DID NEJI CHANGE? Because . . . I'm really waiting for a nice theory about it. He didn't seem to show any difference after the Chuunin exams which is when he learns the truth about his father, so why why why only after the Chase Arc?

. . . or something. :D
I guess he had to do some thinking after the chuunin exams. He already seemed less arrogant after the exams (in the anime, he was helping out Lee before Shikamaru and co found him), and when he had to face Kidoumaru and perhaps death, I think he's finally cleared his thoughts on everything. He realized that he had to be strong for the sake of the trust his companions put into him, despite everything.

But I still want a good explanation as to why all the angst in the Hyuuga household vanished. :notrust

Hmm, I think that's actually the reason I'm so fond of this FC. Since there are only a few members, they're easy to remember and you can talk to them one-on-one sometimes while still continuing your conversations. Na?
True.

I feel your pain . . . And I was so frustrated then too, because it took SO long to download anime when you only use dial-up . . . >_<
Ouch. And I have broadband. Eh-heh, it's something when you're just staring at the screen trying (and completely failing) to understand what's going on, isn't it.

Edit: Lol! By the way, you know that you're good at politeness and diplomacy when the actual owner of the anti-Hinata fc actually offer you a membership... :blink (I didn't say anything too bad about Hinata either. Actually got to post some pro-Hinata arguments in there because the owner asked me. Ahem). As I said, I even get along with this forum's #1 Hinata-basher, even though I'm perhaps the one who counters him the most. Ah well. *shrugs* *is still highly amused though*

[isentropic]

- some think he used that as an occasion to grope. :blinkHahahaha! Oh man, is this true? Ahahaha! They ARE joking, right? Because, well, they HAVE to be joking. They just have to be. This is just . . . :laugh

Might read that thread soon . . .

But I still want a good explanation as to why all the angst in the Hyuuga household vanished.I know. Gotta agree with you there. Suddenly, it seems like every loose end that existed between them vanished and we're not even given an explanation. I really hope Kishi says something about them. I know Naruto is supposed to be the focus and all, but for minor characters, Neji and Hinata's family was sure given quite the focus. Gotta wonder why Kishi did that.

Ouch. And I have broadband. Eh-heh, it's something when you're just staring at the screen trying (and completely failing) to understand what's going on, isn't it.Ouch indeed. I don't remember what anime it was anymore, but I do remember that there is a very note-worthy climax in that episode and I was practically in tears because I couldn't understand ANYTHING! Yeah, sure, the emotion is there, but what are they SAYING?

>_<

[Mizura]

^ Well then that's just double the emotion! "I'm crying because something so sad and beautiful has happened, and because I don't even understand what they're saying! That is so sad... ;_; ". Eh.

[isentropic]

Lol! By the way, you know that you're good at politeness and diplomacy when the actual owner of the anti-Hinata fc actually offer you a membership... :laugh This really happened? Wow, way to go! :D You must have made some great posts there! (not anti-Hinata, surely?) Perhaps it is because the owner sees that you like Hinata for very valid reasons, reasons that can be seen in the manga/anime itself and not some fantasy brought forth by perverted desires. :)

Well then that's just double the emotion!Both sadness, yes, but it's not the same! The first is heart-ache at the scenes, the second is frustration! By the way, for curiosity's sake, what anime, exactly, cause you this trouble?

[Mizura]

:laugh This really happened? Wow, way to go! You must have made some great posts there! (not anti-Hinata, surely?) Perhaps it is because the owner sees that you like Hinata for very valid reasons, reasons that can be seen in the manga/anime itself and not some fantasy brought forth by perverted desires. :)
Actually, nothing to do with the actual contents of the post. Rather, I went in there to chase off any Hinata fans who might consider flaming. ^_^;; I did so while apologizing to the anti-Hinata fanclub for their behaviour, while restating their right to form any anti-club they want. So it seemed like I was doing them a favor.

Actually, I did that more for the Hinata fanclub. After all, flaming in there would only hurt it only More. I saw this as a good occasion to tell the Hinata fc members to behave, as before I didn't exactly have a valid reason... (now I can go "Hah! Because of you there's an anti-Hinata fc now, so Behave!"). Heh. Also, by preventing a flame war to start out, I'm also undermining part of the reason for the anti-Hinata fc to exists. One of the things anti-Hinata complain about is that Hinata fanboys act as though Hinata is So above all the rest that it's a Blasphemy to think anything bad about her, while dissing characters like say... Sakura, is perfectly okay. So I'm somehow showing that Hinata fans Can think it's alright for them to diss her (at least in their own fc).

But in any case, the end result is that the Hinata fandom does not make a fool out of itself, while the anti-Hinata fandom can flame in peace. Isn't everybody a winner here? V ^_^ V

I usually hope to improve the image of the fandom I belong to by showing that I'm not so half-bad myself. It'd prevent people from stereotyping. The problem though, is that many anti-Hinata people seem to have gone around the apparent contradiction by labeling me and a few other people as "exceptions". How convenient. Ah well, it's still a first step.

I don't think my pro-Hinata arguments necessarily went through though. Then again, it wasn't quite the point. Besides I whitened the text to make sure people who'd get offended in there would not have to read it. The thing is, when arguing about Hinata, unlike many others I'm careful to at least Try to bring the subject onto "acceptable grounds". That means starting out by stating that imo, Hinata Is weak and pathetic (whereas some people try the opposite: by raising the stakes and by saying that Hinata is just so and so good. Of course by doing so, they're losing all credibility, so they're not gaining Any ground except where annoying others is concerned, eh). I just don't care if she's weak, because I think she does have the will to try to become less weak and pathetic. The other genins had strong personalities to begin with, so Hinata in my opinion is the one who improved the most, Relatively speaking (the other genins didn't have to improve their personalities). Ah well, but in the meantime, I understand if people aren't impressed by her absolute performance.

I do think she'll kick ass later on though. :P Never on the level of the big players (Naruto, Neji, Sasuke, even Sakura), but certainly enough. I'm just willing to wait. I joined the Sakura fc before 245 after all, even though there was no guarantee that I'd be rooting for a sure winner. *ahem*, I actually joined one or two weeks right before 245, betting on the fact that Kishi will probably make her extremely strong after the timeskip, so I'd be able to brag afterwards that I joined the fc Before she was cool. But hey, it was still a risky gamble, and I Was willing to take it anyway, wasn't I? Eh-heh. The bet paid off though.

In any case, right now the Hinata fc seems to be on a better track, we're actually having a semi-serious discussion in there (right now it's on who probably trained her during the timeskip). That's nice, it's been a while since I've noticed such semi-serious discussions in there.

Both sadness, yes, but it's not the same! The first is heart-ache at the scenes, the second is frustration! By the way, for curiosity's sake, what anime, exactly, cause you this trouble?
I had downloaded Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence. I was sooo pretty. @_@ The artwork was magnificent! The thing is, I think that Ghost in the Shell is meant to be a little confusing even if you do understand it, so if you don't... ah well, I could still try to guess part of it. ^_^v

[isentropic]

@ Anti-Hinata FC: I was actually quite thinking that it was some sort of blessing. One one hand, it might succeed in making Hinata fans make a fool of themselves might going them and generally flaming the thread, or it will make them retaliate by making the Hinata FC more productive. If people were to see that the Hinata FC was actually interesting, they might go, "Huh?" at all the rants in the anti-Hinata FC about the supposedly, "annoyingly perverted fanboys" because there would be no more talks about smexy Hinata . . . or at least, talks that go overboard.

@ "exceptions": You gotta admit, that was a very smart move. But yes, it is a start. There seemed to be this wide generalization that all Hinata fans are retards. The little ripple in their belief will spread, hopefully. :)

@ (hopefully) kick-ass!Hinata: Ah yes, I wish for her to be so as well. I don't even care if she is still portrayed as the weakest of the Rookie 9 students, as long as she's changed from what she was before to a noticeable degree. I also have this wish for her to be the Hyuuga heir if only because she had been so degraded by her apparent failure of it. Shoot, this made me want to see her more for the next chapters (which I know will not happen because the story isn't going in that direction! >_<)

@ Sakura FC: :laugh Smart move! That was risky, yes, but I have to applaud you for the plan. If Sakura didn't change, you won't really lose anything (except the wrong prediction). If she changed, you'll get the chance to be smug about it! :D Sweet.

@ Ghost in the Shell: Oh yes, fantastic artwork. And YES! The plots are always mind-boggling. It's still a very enjoyable series. And it always made me think about it long after it's over. :D

[Mizura]

Eh-heh, yes, the "exceptions" thing was a very smart and devious move of theirs. Ah well. As for Hinata improving: yes, I also don't mind if she remains the weakest of the cast. After all, if she suddenly became overpowered, it'd seem even Weirder. :huh But in any case, if she's noticebly improved, no longer stutters all the time and shows herself to be at least a Decent shinobi, I'm happy.

The Sakura fc move was indeed something fun I did. Heh, I even made the Sakura fc banner in my sig (yeah I made it). I really don't regret it, Sakura's in my top 5 characters now. It does feel nice to feel vindicated (so to say). But Geez, Kishimoto really Has neglected her character up till now, what was he Thinking! (well, he claimed that it was because he didn't feel confident drawing girls before. Which was actually understandable, he did indeed not draw the girls very well...)

[isentropic]

After all, if she suddenly became overpowered, it'd seem even Weirder. :huh True, true. *nods*

what was he Thinking!Heh. Actually, I saw an icon that was pretty interesting. Uhm . . . about Sakura trees blooming late? I found it interesting because, well, it sort of showed that Kishi was really thinking about what to name his characters to ensure it will fit them. It made me wonder what Hinata's name predicts for her.

(Sunny place, was it? Does it mean that sometime in the future, when it becomes bleak and hopeless, she'll provide some sort of respite to others? Or does it represent her current character, seeing as she seems so nice and caring despite, well, not really having that much going for her?)

[tootaa18]

can i join please?

[Tifaeria]

Wow, you made that? I like it. Can you teach me how to make one?

[isentropic]

Hey tootaa18! Welcome to the club! Hope you have fun discussing the various Hyuugacest pairing that this club includes!

For curiosity's sake, may I ask what Hyuugacest pairings you like the best? You don't have to answer. I'm just asking. :D

[Mizura]

Wow, you made that? I like it. Can you teach me how to make one?
Are you talking about the Sakura fc logo? Well, I took an image from the manga, and basically applied the following:

http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Simple_Animations/

(well... I didn't even need to make use of most of that, mostly I just made a bunch of layers...)

The program I used is the one the tutorial points to: the Gimp. It's a free program that's very similar to Photoshop, I use it for everything I'd use Photoshop for. I don't know if you remember my Kunoichi Mudwrestling pics (ahem), but the (quick) coloring I applied onto those pics was done in that program as well. The interface is very customisable, which also means that you'd Better customise it a bit if you want to make the most of it (I recommend assigning the shortcuts for increasing and decreasing brush size for example, and setting the default brush to a custom brush instead of the default brushes, as you can't modify the parameters of the default brushes, I have no idea why not).

Well, if you're interested in the program, tell me and I'll give you some tips. :amuse

Hmm, yes, one could wonder what the Sunny Place name refers to... Mostly I think it refers to how nice she is. But anyway, it'd be nice if we talked about this in the Hinata fc. Maybe we'd get more response? :amuse Sakura did bloom late, but did Kishimoto really have to make her bloom That late? :huh (and when she did bloom, it did seem a bit sudden)

[isentropic]

But anyway, it'd be nice if we talked about this in the Hinata fc. Maybe we'd get more response? :amuseEhe. Sorry about that. I suppose we could but . . . aren't we talking about her possible future now? Heh, by the way, I would like to thank you for convincing me to go there. I'm really glad I did. Talking about Hinata's future is enjoyable.

[tootaa18]

Hey tootaa18! Welcome to the club! Hope you have fun discussing the various Hyuugacest pairing that this club includes!

For curiosity's sake, may I ask what Hyuugacest pairings you like the best? You don't have to answer. I'm just asking. :D

thanks

the answer is in your sig :smile-big
hinataXneji all the way :)

[Intrepid]

tootaa18, definatelly. Let me add you.

Mizura, really? There's a Sakura FC now? Cool, although I'm not a big Sakura fan, it's nice to know that the world doesn't hate her. She's cute. Her Sasuke obession just gets annoying sometimes.

isentropic, who's the artist of the pic used on your avie and sig? It's such a beautiful pic.

[Mizura]

... there's Always been a Sakura fanclub. :confused

[Tifaeria]

Maybe he hasn't seen various others beyond the 1st page.

[isentropic]

hinataXneji all the wayIndeed! Have you written any fics? What are your favorites so far? (yes, this is my not-so-subtle plot at making you rec me something. ;))

who's the artist of the pic used on your avie and sig? It's such a beautiful pic.Oh! I saw it in a link Mizura posted a few pages back. Wait a minute, I'll go look for it.

... there's Always been a Sakura fanclub.Hey! Congratulations on being the co-owner! Hehe, and thanks for the heads about NaruSaku. Lovely read. And the Hinata FC goes by SO fast! I couldn't keep up! Gah!

Tifaeria - I like your siggies! Chibi!Gaara is so cute, and a fan of CloTi, I see. :) Lovely pic. Where did you get it?

[hyuganeji]

hyuugas are the best....anything with them in it will make my day :)

[Mizura]

Indeed! Have you written any fics? What are your favorites so far? (yes, this is my not-so-subtle plot at making you rec me something. ;))

Oh! I saw it in a link Mizura posted a few pages back. Wait a minute, I'll go look for it.

Hey! Congratulations on being the co-owner! Hehe, and thanks for the heads about NaruSaku. Lovely read. And the Hinata FC goes by SO fast! I couldn't keep up! Gah!
Written any fics? Not yet, at least no Naruto fics yet. I've had a Huge plot bunny ( <- eh-heh, found out about that term on Sintari's Livejournal. I have to finish thinking out the review for the latest chapter of Rosemary while we're at it...) recently but it would take me a long time to plan out and type. So don't expect anything from me any time soon. As for recs... so far, Rosemary for Remembrance. :thumbs There was this old NejiHina ficlet called Vortex I think that left a good impression on me back then, but apart from that I don't remember that much... Unless you're bored, avoid the fics where all the males are chasing after Hinata for some reason, they're usually somewhat poorly characterized. Still, if you want to find more Hinata fics, you could always do like me: type Hinata in ff.net's search engine and browse through the list of every Hinata-related fic ever posted there (*cough*).

As for the art links:
http://mhr.pupu.jp/cmflink/cmflink.cgi?category_id=003

That was the link page from a NejiHina circle site. ALL those sites are at least partly NejiHina in one ways or another, so you can find lots of NejiHina goodness in them. ^_^ Don't ask me how to navigate them though. :huh (Japanese sites can be so confusing sometimes... Ah well, trial and error)

Speaking of NaruSaku... you joining? ^_-

[isentropic]

. . .but it would take me a long time to plan out and type. So don't expect anything from me any time soon.Aww, that's too bad. How about one-shots, then? *nudge*

I think I've read Vortex too. Isn't that the one-sided NejiHina one? And though there are some wonderful fanfictions in FFNet, most of them are crappy. >_< And yes, I do stay away from fics where everyone is in love with Hinata. I can actually take a little love triangle but when practically every Hinata/character is portrayed . . . GAH!

Speaking of NaruSaku... you joining? ^_-I think I will! I'll ask to join and then I'll sit back and immerse in the discussion. Hehe . . .

Magpie, since Mizura posted the links, this is the exact site where I saw it: http://enjukt.hp.infoseek.co.jp/menu.html

In the gallery area, she has pictures of Hinata, Kiba, Neji and others and a few NejiHina and KibaHina fanarts (and one extremely cute SasuHina one). Have fun! :D

--o

By the way, after going through so many sites and links, I found some recs! Whee!

Title: Cages and Kindness (http://www.livejournal.com/community/in_my_notebook/5539.html)
Author: Ceresi (http://livejournal.com/users/ceresi)
Summary: [none provided] Someone has been freeing the caged birds in the Hyuuga compound.

Okay, this is actually a Neji-centric fic that happens right after the Soundnin/Chasing-Sasuke Arc where Neji nearly dies. His near death activates his seal causing complications. The author is very imaginative to have thought of this idea and I applaud her greatly. There is also an underlying Neji/Hinata that makes you think of various possibilities for them as well as some Naruto/Sasuke but it's still enjoybale. There are various expositions scattered here and there, but the execution makes it an advantage. An excerpt:

Hinata is like the kind birds that seem to follow Neji whever he goes, hopping and fluttering from tree to tree, gracing him with a glimpse of their freedom. Kindness is weakness, though, because you inevitably give more than you get, and Neji is trying to break her of that habit. Even if it means that he breaks her of him. And he thinks that maybe Sasuke is Naruto's important person and Naruto is Hinata's, and that maybe, maybe, maybe, Hinata is his.

Hinata is stubborn the way everyone else is alive, and he remembers how she refused to admit defeat during their fight, and he sees how she refuses to admit defeat during their training, and she has such a bright chakara, such a bright outlook, such a brightness and he wouldn't be able to see at all if it wasn't for her. She asks nothing in return.Hope you guys enjoy it!

I also found this oekaki: http://ic1.deviantart.com/fs6/i/2005/060/7/f/Neji_and_Hinata____rainy_day_by_funny_neko.jpg

. . . which I'm hoping can fuel imaginations for some oneshot/drabbles to manifest. *hintnudge*Any takers?

[Mizura]

And though there are some wonderful fanfictions in FFNet, most of them are crappy. >_< And yes, I do stay away from fics where everyone is in love with Hinata. I can actually take a little love triangle but when practically every Hinata/character is portrayed . . . GAH!
Eh, yeah, I Have been noticing the increase in Bad NejiHina. Booger. What a pity. :notrust Ah well, the increasing amount of bad NejiHina might be a sign that the pairing is becoming more popular and accepted...

I think I will! I'll ask to join and then I'll sit back and immerse in the discussion. Hehe . . .
Please do! :amuse *poke poke*

Thanks for the fic link by the way! I had never read that one before! Cute story too. :amuse (though it somewhat bothers me that there are good NejiHina fics hidden away in places where I might never be able to find them... ;_; that and all the Japanese fics, I tried translating one using an online translation engine but found that the "Screw big brother" and "Hinata-way" were really annoying after a while. >_< )

[Intrepid]

"Screw big brother" could be a code name for Neji, SBB. For some reason I find it hilarious.

EDIT: GO DOWNLOAD CH253 NOW!

[Tifaeria]

Eeee! So kawaii! I want to snuggle and hug him. But I'm not that nuts. :P I like how he's changed. To me, he's the only one that truly changed his look and doesn't look the same as before. Maybe he will think about hinata during the mission? *bah* I'm just giving false hope and it's sad cause I want it to happen. :sad But I can't wait to see his moves when they fight.

Great story you found. I like the symbolizm. Makes me want to go back to the livejournal club again. Does anybody else go there that's from here?

[Intrepid]

I poke around there silently sometimes.

[Tifaeria]

Woot! I found another link. This is for all you sexy NejiHina and TenLee lovers out there. :laugh (I sound like a DJ).

Milky Cubic (http://milkycubic09.nobody.jp/top.html)

Enjoy. Especially you Isentropic, since you asked for more. :wink

[Intrepid]

Found a nice NejiHina fic. Broken Rules (http://www.livejournal.com/community/hyugacest/45796.html#cutid1).

So happy, I love serial fics, one-shots are nice to read, but the lack the addictiveness. And it's the addictiveness I need. (Yes yes, I'm totally on crack)

[Tifaeria]

Oh I love that fic! She's almost teasing us with that citris on chapter 2. AND SHE GAVE ME STRAWBERRIES AND WHIP CREAM FOR THAT MATTER! *munch munch* But besides that, it's one hell of a fic with all the twists and turns it has in the new chapter.

[CHEH]

oohh please let me join :o:

[Tifaeria]

Awwwww! Cute avatar Ilovenaruto. You made it?

P.s. you are welcomed. :amuse

[Intrepid]

Sure welcome Ilovenaruto! Here are some cookies

[CHEH]

Thanx! and yes i did make them myself :amuse
may i ask which hinata avatar was it? I switch them up a lot

THANX Magpie :P

[Intrepid]

Hyuugacest reference, I just finish watching Sweeney Todd. Joanna's song reminded me of something caged bird! "Green Finch Linnet Bird".

Lyrics:
Green finch and linnet bird,
nightingale, blackbird,
how is it you sing?
How can you jubilate,
sitting in cages,
never taking wing?
Outside, the sky waits,
beckoning, beckoning,
just beyond the bars.
How can you remain,
staring at the rain,
maddened by the bars?
How is it you sing anything?
How is it you sing?

Green finch and linnet bird,
nightingale, blackbird,
how is it you sing?
Whence comes this melody
constantly flowing?
Is it rejoicing
or merely halloing?
Are you discussing, or fussing,
or simply dreaming?
Are you crowing?
Are you screaming?

Ring-dove and robinet,
is it for wages,
singing to be sold?
Have you decided
it's safer in cages,
singing when you're told?
My cage has many rooms,
damask and dark.
Nothing there sings,
not even my lark.
Larks never will, you know
when they're captive.
Teach me to be more adaptive.

Ah, green finch and linnet bird
nightingale, blackbird,
teach me how to sing.
If I cannot fly,
let me sing.

[isentropic]

Hey guys! Er, hehe, haven't been here in a while. I was just wondering a little itty-bitty thing that, for some bizzare reason, popped into my head and I can't get it out. I need confirmation about it so it'll stop bothering me.

Is it accurate to presume that all of Neji's real smiles (the happy or maybe polite ones, not the smug, "I'm a frickin' genius and you're not, HAH!" smiles, is what I meant) are all directed at Hinata? Is it? Can you recall the times he's smiled?

I recall the, "She's cute isn't she, father?" smile at their first meeting; the one where he was watching her train with Hiashi (he *was* smiling then, even if she can't see) and the one in chapter 238 when he asked her about visiting Naruto. So . . . any other time he's smiled at someone else? Can you point it out?


Oh, er, Hyuugacest related cause it's about Neji and Hinata? Er . . . :P

[Mizura]

Hmm... I think you're right! When he's smiling at someone, the only person he's directly directed his smile at was Hinata.

However, he did truly smile one other time, and that was when he had just defeated Kidoumaru. He smiled into the light. But his smile wasn't directed to anyone in specific, it was directed towards the light.

However, yes, you could say that the only person he's truly smiled at was to Hinata. WHoot! Welcome back by the way, I was wondering where you had gone off. ^___^

[isentropic]

Haha, yes, I forgot about that. But that one actually seemed like a smile of triumph. Like, he's conquered something that was seemingly inconquerable (which, well, he did, because he was able to win over his weakness -- the gap in his byakugan).

I was actually contemplating whether he smiled when Hiashi told him the truth about his father. I don't remember it well because I only saw the anime of that once (and the manga, not at all) but I still wouldn't have considered it because he would have been smiling at the sky (or the birds) if it truly did happen. I was more interested whether he'd ever smiled at any other person.

And thanks for the welcome! My PC was acting weird and I was told not to use it until it was fixed so I culdn't go online either. Glad to be back! ^__^

[Tifaeria]

Hey guys! I was just wondering if this fic is either NejiHina or NejiTen.

Caged (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2234176/1/)

If you know this, please tell me. I can't stand NejiTen but I am so confused by it.

[Rakumaru]

Hey id love to join this FC i love Hinata, and the Hyuuga bloodline limit ^^

[Mizura]

Caged starts off as NejiTen you could say, but right now it really REALLY looks like NejiHina. Let's just say that while Neji and Hinata get along (VERY) well, Neji is being a complete ass to Tenten. >_< It actually made me feel sorry for the girl.

So yeah, NejiHina.

[Rakumaru]

They are like direct cousins though :confused

[Mizura]

Yeah well not every culture considers cousinxcousin relationships as incest... In fact royal families in most cultures tend to intermarry. Strange thing though, is that in Caged, Neji Does see that as incest. But well, apparently it doesn't matter anymore. ^^;

But the way he rejected Tenten in that fic was really harsh. >_< It made me feel real sorry for her even though I really hate NejiTen. Then Neji and Hinata get along so well that it made me feel even More sorry for Tenten, because hell, she couldn't have been That bad and forgettable, could she? >_<