The Hyuugacest FC

[Mizura]

I don't care about the dub. :huh Must be because I don't live in the US. However, the new dub discussion section is Hilarious. :laugh Look at all those people whining!

Yay! More NejiHina! :whoo And the next part may be LeeTen ("Iron Fist of Love"), which is good.

Hiashi needs to die. :mad

Hmm, request eh? I never know what to request from people. Usually when I want something drawn I try to draw it myself. XP Speaking of drawings, did you see my Sasori tribute? *points to sig*

I'm sorry to hear you were affected by the hurricane, Tif. :( It's really terrible. Who'd have thought that a hurricane can still be so devastating in a developed country? Good luck with you.

[shinda]

Welcome back, Tif! I'm happy to hear you're ok.
Hopefully everything will work out for you.:squish

I can't watch the dub either, at least not yet. Though I did download some clips. :woo
well i already said i probably dont like the voices because im too used to the japanese voices. But i never said i hated the dubbed version period.
Same here. I really didn't know what to think about the voices. :S

Hiashi needs to die. :mad
Agreed. :cussing
oo! Meh, have you ever drawn any Nejihina fanarts? I'd love to see them!

[Mizura]

Hmm, I haven't drawn any NejiHina yet, no. Hinata is kind of... hard to draw because of her hairstyle >.>, and since I like NejiHina so much I stress at the idea of not being able to draw the two correctly. Bleh.

Somehow I doubt that Hiashi meant learning techniques from Hinata. :notrust Given how he blatantly looks down on Hinata and tells her not to mess up all the time, I doubt he'd think that she'd have something to teach Neji, other than what not to do. :cussing Besides, given how Hiashi thinks Neji is so superior to Hinata, he probably thinks that anything Hinata can come up with (and she's not being trained by her father), Neji can probably come up on his own, and the rest Hiashi teaches Neji himself. :notrust

He needs to die a very painful death.

[Jennie-san]

Can I join this club?, I really like this pairing:smile-big

[CHEH]

Welcome jennie-san
hmm i dont know its just hard to belive hiashi would tell neji to do something like that for him to learn techiniques from hinata. Neji has done every technique hinata was supposed to learn and hiashi is already teaching neji the main family techniques and doesnt care what the other clan memebrs have to say. It was even said in his profile in Databook 2.
Hiashi pisses me off >_< but not that much in the manga

[Nick Soapdish]

AND I AM BACK!!! Right now I am in the mist of Hurricane Katrina, and let me tell you, it is a bitch. My house is not that good at the moment and I keep losing electricity and I think I might not go to college anymore, thanks to the loss of transportation. :sad Thank god it came back on when Naruto premiered on television or else I would have been so sad. I live just 30 minutes away from New Orleans so my house isn't in oil and water but it is still damaged. :S

Oh, that's fair. You live at ground zero and get your internet back before me? I'm freakin' 300 miles away. We barely even got a breeze and some rain.:smile-big

I'm glad to hear that you're ... mostly ... OK. Well, except for the intermittent electricity and the loss of transportation and all. Best of luck with getting it sorted out.

Anyway, I haven't managed to see 150 yet. I take it there was no NejiHina joy after all.:sad

And Miz, it's not just that a developed country has suffered this much damage from a hurricane. It's an overdeveloped country that's suffered so much damage and that's a big part of why. We've got so much development on the coast that we don't have as much of a buffer anymore (although in New Orleans' case, it's a lot more complicated than that and I'm already in danger of de-railing the thread).

[Tifaeria]

OMG! What happened to you?! I didn't know you lived near me too. I hope everything is ok. :( :hug

As for damage, I got my carport torn apart, there was a puddle that seeped into the house, my whole fence around my house is messed up, one tree's top is hanging by just branches and looks like it was about to fall (thank god on the opposite end of our roof) while another tree was moved to the far north of it's side (it's showing it's roots too), and when we came back, the kitchen stunk and there was no electricity! But I am happy that I finally got the internet working again (we had to switch companys cause one said it would take till January). I just wish I heard from one of my friends. She lived over there. :sad Luckly my aunt (I call her nanny! :P ) was in Alaska and wasn't in her house but it's sad cause all her stuff was in there and now it's gone cause of flooding or looting. I hope it's not the latter :S

[Iruka]

Some NejiHina moments better spring up somehow. The two closes scene that we ever gets are the fight scene and the latest scene when hinata almost run into Neji. Errrrr...I really don't like how Hiashi treat Hinata. I agree he need punishment. Errrrrrr

[Nick Soapdish]

OMG! What happened to you?! I didn't know you lived near me too. I hope everything is ok. :( :hug

Thanks, but I wasn't kidding when I said it was just a little breeze and rain. I live near Tallahassee and we had virtually no trouble from Katrina at all. I think a few parts of town might've lost power for a few hours, although I never did. I only lost internet because my ISP lost a cable or something from out of state.

A few branches fell down in my yard, but you'd be hard-pressed to distinguish them from the branches that I'd left sitting around in my yard from before. :amuse

As for damage, I got my carport torn apart, there was a puddle that seeped into the house, my whole fence around my house is messed up, one tree's top is hanging by just branches and looks like it was about to fall (thank god on the opposite end of our roof) while another tree was moved to the far north of it's side (it's showing it's roots too), and when we came back, the kitchen stunk and there was no electricity! But I am happy that I finally got the internet working again (we had to switch companys cause one said it would take till January). I just wish I heard from one of my friends. She lived over there. :sad Luckly my aunt (I call her nanny! :P ) was in Alaska and wasn't in her house but it's sad cause all her stuff was in there and now it's gone cause of flooding or looting. I hope it's not the latter :S

Sounds like fun. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y170/NickSoapdish/da-hug.gif Any idea how long until things your house gets fixed up? Hope that you get good news from your friend soon.

[CHEH]

YAY EP 151 IS SO AWESOME AND I FINALLY GOT TO SE NEJI SMILE AT HINATA!
But i still want my tea scene its just too cute >_< and Hiashi OMG! he isnt a BASTARD this time! he actually looked impressed and stuttered a bit himself :D

[Nick Soapdish]

But i still want my tea scene its just too cute >_< and Hiashi OMG! he isnt a BASTARD this time! he actually looked impressed and stuttered a bit himself :D

Maybe it's genetic.:smile-big

Hopefully, Hiashi and Hizashi are just fraternal twins then. Otherwise, any Hyuugacest spawn could be incapable of speech (at least in the anime).

[Maleficent]

Ooh ooh, I wanna join! :spaz

[Intrepid]

Welcome welcome. To our two new members.

Ilovenaruto, could you tell us what happened in that episode in a spoiler tag? pretty please...

[Maleficent]

w00t

Thanks for the membership.

Long live Hyuugacest! :tem

[Mizura]

I want the dub... I want to see what happened in 151... I want my NejiHina cuteness...

[shinda]

It's been subbed, I'm downloading it now. You can't download it?

About Hiashi..Yeah..I couldn't believe it. :faint

[lil-wolf]

uwaaaaaaa ~>o<~ can you give me some snapshots of nejihina from 150+151? can't download!!! ;_;

[shinda]

uwaaaaaaa ~>o<~ can you give me some snapshots of nejihina from 150+151? can't download!!! ;_;
Sure, though there aren't many.

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/386/bscap4194gf.jpg
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/7540/bscap4161eg.jpg
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/6531/bscap4235ex.jpg
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/3605/bscap4188tt.jpg
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/4655/bscap0188sv.jpg
As for 150, ILN uploaded some here (http://photobucket.com/albums/a381/hinatagallery/). Sooo many! :tem



You've made me hyper again. :spaz

[lil-wolf]

zomg!!!!! >_< shinda~~~~~~sankyuuuuu for teh screencaps~~~~~~~ ~>_<~ *glomps*
gosh, Neji ish soooooooooo uberly cute when he smiles XDDDD *locks Neji and Hinata in an empty room* >:D

O_O

[shinda]

You're welcome. :) Be sure to thank Ilovenaruto if you see her around. :wink
If you want some Hinata ones, I've posted some in the Hinata fanclub.

^__^;

[Mizura]

Niiini-kun, are you there?

How about your own views on NaruHina vs NejiHina in that thread in the Konoha Library? :amuse I was explaining why I thought NaruHina is not the best for Hinata's character development, as she'd be essentially overshadowed... Right now it''s that whether Hinata leaving the Hyuuga household for Naruto would be an act of courage or (as I believe) an act of complete cowardice, irresponsibility and running away from problems that you should be helping to fix.

[Nick Soapdish]

Hi Meh,

Yeah, I just noticed that that thread really took off late last night. But I thought you were handling it just fine against FFLN. I was thinking about just jumping in to point out that not all Americans are gung-ho supporters of Dubya's policies - foreign or domestic. (They're working on the same thing on teaching abstinence in the US by teaching it in sex ed as the only form of contraceptive or safe sex. :amazed )

I'll try and jump in with some thoughts after work today.

[Mizura]

^ Ah yes, the thing that has absolutely no relation with the topic of that thread. ^^; Ah well. There are so many threads discussing the Hyuuga politics anyway, might as well have a fun one. ^^;

[Iruka]

Sure, though there aren't many.

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/386/bscap4194gf.jpg
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/7540/bscap4161eg.jpg
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/6531/bscap4235ex.jpg
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/3605/bscap4188tt.jpg
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/4655/bscap0188sv.jpg
As for 150, ILN uploaded some here (http://photobucket.com/albums/a381/hinatagallery/). Sooo many! :tem



You've made me hyper again. :spaz

AHHHHAHAHA!!! You make me super hyper. I've gotta download it somehow. :crying Can't miss a NejiHina moment. No. way. at. all. :scry

[Chibi Chan]

wah! NejiHina moment!! lol... Neji smilling at Hinata... how precious... XD

[CHEH]

well i guess its a good idea to put up of of the gifs i made then
http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/5964/nejihinasmile4jn.gif

[crystal-kay]

Ah, the gif is so adorable. I can't help it, that's the only word that comes to my mind when I saw it. :tem

[Mizura]

Niiiiiiini-kun! :glomp :squish

That post of yours: you definitely seem to understand why I like NejiHina so much. :laugh And some people think I must hate her or something for not pairing her up with Naruto. Bah. I just see so much potential for both her and Neji in such a relationship. :squish

I had made a deal with FFLN (who because of his smiley abuses somehow makes me think of FLCL) over pm by then though. :huh He drops it, I drop it, and we stop using up so much of our free time this way. With 276 cleaning coming up, might as well. XP

[Intrepid]

Neji cosplay, for my school's clubs fair. It was just today, it was my first time cosplaying. People keep looking at me funny. A lot of people were able to make out the head protector. Only a few people realized I was Neji, and evem more people just walked by and gave me a weird look. When I get time, I'll do more professional shots. I look like a guy in the full body shot. Oh well...

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/sorachi/neji01.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/sorachi/neji02.jpg

We were all in a rush and I wanted to change because today is really humid, and I was sweating my ass off. Maybe some other time I'll wear the costume again (not in public this time) and take better shots of it.

[xerys]

That picture of you is sexy. Your cosplay was really good as well, although very few people knew whom you were.. T.T
Anyway today was a perfect day to dress up as neji; you know the reasons why of course.

[Intrepid]

That picture of you is sexy. Your cosplay was really good as well, although very few people knew whom you were.. T.T
Anyway today was a perfect day to dress up as neji; you know the reasons why of course.

Thanks sis. Yea of course, today is my last day being 16.

[Nick Soapdish]

Niiiiiiini-kun! :glomp :squish

That post of yours: you definitely seem to understand why I like NejiHina so much. :laugh And some people think I must hate her or something for not pairing her up with Naruto. Bah. I just see so much potential for both her and Neji in such a relationship. :squish

Thanks. *de-squishes*

I like to think that we actually like and respect Hinata more because we don't pair her with Naruto for strength. It's not exactly true, but I like to think it anyway.:smile-big

Plus, there's added evidence to the contrary in my case. Apparently, I have considerably less tolerance for overpowered jutsus when they aren't being used by Naruto. :P I got bored watching the last filler and killed it before getting to the NejiHina bits. So I had to go back and download it again just to watch the last couple minutes.

The last scene was great - Hinata beaming while telling Hiashi that the mission was a complete and utter failure was hilarious. Her expression was just so incongruous with her words.

I had made a deal with FFLN (who because of his smiley abuses somehow makes me think of FLCL) over pm by then though. :huh He drops it, I drop it, and we stop using up so much of our free time this way. With 276 cleaning coming up, might as well. XP

Nooooooo!

We've barely begun to endlessly go over the same points with minor variations! I'm not so sure you understand this online debating, Mizura.:P

Besides, I haven't even gotten to the off-topic stuff like American food prejudices and tourists.

Speaking of which, what's so wrong with going around in shorts and a t-shirt? Are there dress codes for parts of the city? :) I don't think it'd be that out of place to be wandering around Marais (I think that's the name for the area - right across from the Latin Quarter) in shorts.

[Mizura]

Thanks. *de-squishes*

I like to think that we actually like and respect Hinata more because we don't pair her with Naruto for strength. It's not exactly true, but I like to think it anyway.:smile-big
I do. :amuse Around Naruto, she's too much of a follower in my opinion. Remember the Naruto is the Sun comparison? It's something like that. Both Neji and Hinata are dark people, the Sun may illuminate the Moon from afar, but it reduces it to darkness when too close. The moon and the stars however, can shine together.

To the contrary of Hinata though, Sakura or even Ino would not be content in staying in Naruto's shadow, so they can shine along him. Sakura is one of the future Legendary Sannin, she'll be Naruto's equal, so there'd not be any overshadowing either.

Plus, there's added evidence to the contrary in my case. Apparently, I have considerably less tolerance for overpowered jutsus when they aren't being used by Naruto. :P I got bored watching the last filler and killed it before getting to the NejiHina bits. So I had to go back and download it again just to watch the last couple minutes.
BitTorrent hates me, it got stuck at 76.7%. ;__; I'm trying direct download now. Besides, it's just filler. I'm curious as to what they've done with Hinata. I think of it as high-quality animated (albeit sometimes poorly written) fanworks. :D But if she said that the mission is was an utter failure with a smile, that actually makes much sense: it shows that indeed, she's no longer afraid of failure. That was her whole development during the Naruto vs Neji fight. :amuse

Nooooooo!

We've barely begun to endlessly go over the same points with minor variations! I'm not so sure you understand this online debating, Mizura.:P

Besides, I haven't even gotten to the off-topic stuff like American food prejudices and tourists.
I do know what it means. @__@ I'd keep it up if it weren't the fact that I have limited internet now, and would reaaaally rather not spend all my time on That. Especially since I have Shannaro work to take care of too. We're pretty much screwed, half the cleaners are either busy with real life or experiencing technical difficulties. ;_; And 276, apart from having a rather lame development imo (Kakashi has What? Boo, hisss), is among the hardest to clean I've seen since our failed chapter with the Youma extraction way back.

And I still wanted to work on my doujin. ;_;

Oh by the way, the off-topic has gone to pm, then onto my personal spamclub (well, fanclub). :amuse You're welcome to join in. You don't have to actually Join the fanclub.

Speaking of which, what's so wrong with going around in shorts and a t-shirt? Are there dress codes for parts of the city? :) I don't think it'd be that out of place to be wandering around Marais (I think that's the name for the area - right across from the Latin Quarter) in shorts.
Nothing unless you're basically showing off your big tummy and your hairy legs, which in the finer districts of Paris, where everybody else is dressed mostly nicely, is something that stands out. :huh Surely you've been to the Champs Elysee and was immediately able to distinguish the American tourists from the rest?

[Tifaeria]

Neji cosplay, for my school's clubs fair. It was just today, it was my first time cosplaying. People keep looking at me funny. A lot of people were able to make out the head protector. Only a few people realized I was Neji, and evem more people just walked by and gave me a weird look. When I get time, I'll do more professional shots. I look like a guy in the full body shot. Oh well...

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/sorachi/neji01.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/sorachi/neji02.jpg

We were all in a rush and I wanted to change because today is really humid, and I was sweating my ass off. Maybe some other time I'll wear the costume again (not in public this time) and take better shots of it.
Wow, Magpie, you pull off Neji really well for a girl. How long did it take you to make that costume? I am never that good with sewing. :sweatdrop

[Intrepid]

Wow, Magpie, you pull off Neji really well for a girl. How long did it take you to make that costume? I am never that good with sewing. :sweatdrop

I didn't make it from scratch, it was my old Taekwando uniform that I no long wear. I just did some altering. Which took about only a few hours.

[Nick Soapdish]

I do. :amuse Around Naruto, she's too much of a follower in my opinion. Remember the Naruto is the Sun comparison? It's something like that. Both Neji and Hinata are dark people, the Sun may illuminate the Moon from afar, but it reduces it to darkness when too close. The moon and the stars however, can shine together.

To the contrary of Hinata though, Sakura or even Ino would not be content in staying in Naruto's shadow, so they can shine along him. Sakura is one of the future Legendary Sannin, she'll be Naruto's equal, so there'd not be any overshadowing either.

Well, the counter ... I think ... and that I don't agree with ... is that she'll be a lot more confident and willing to put Naruto in his place and that Naruto will be a lot more placid.

BitTorrent hates me, it got stuck at 76.7%. ;__; I'm trying direct download now. Besides, it's just filler. I'm curious as to what they've done with Hinata. I think of it as high-quality animated (albeit sometimes poorly written) fanworks. :D But if she said that the mission is was an utter failure with a smile, that actually makes much sense: it shows that indeed, she's no longer afraid of failure. That was her whole development during the Naruto vs Neji fight. :amuse

Hmm. And BitTorrent for me (both times) downloaded fairly well, but I couldn't get much of an upload at all. Sorry.

And what's this? Elements of filler that make sense?!:shoked

I do know what it means. @__@ I'd keep it up if it weren't the fact that I have limited internet now, and would reaaaally rather not spend all my time on That. Especially since I have Shannaro work to take care of too. We're pretty much screwed, half the cleaners are either busy with real life or experiencing technical difficulties. ;_; And 276, apart from having a rather lame development imo (Kakashi has What? Boo, hisss), is among the hardest to clean I've seen since our failed chapter with the Youma extraction way back.

I've got mixed feelings on the sharingan so I'm waiting to see how it's explained. Is there not a HQ coming out for this chapter (or is it basically the same quality)?

And I still wanted to work on my doujin. ;_;

Hey, yeah. I've been meaning to tell you. It's looking great! You're doing a great job of showing how part of what made chibi Sasori so sweet turned into the germ that eventually changed him into what he is now.

Did you just stick it in your sig? I hadn't noticed it earlier and I don't wander into the Fanart section much. It's gotta be taking forever.

Oh by the way, the off-topic has gone to pm, then onto my personal spamclub (well, fanclub). :amuse You're welcome to join in. You don't have to actually Join the fanclub.

You've got a real fanclub now? Cool!

*looks*

23 pages? In a little over a week?

:sweatdrop Could take me a little bit of time to catch up.

Nothing unless you're basically showing off your big tummy and your hairy legs, which in the finer districts of Paris, where everybody else is dressed mostly nicely, is something that stands out. :huh Surely you've been to the Champs Elysee and was immediately able to distinguish the American tourists from the rest?

Hey!

I don't have that big of a tummy.

And my legs are pretty nice. Well, for guy's legs. From the knees down.:laugh

But that's all you'd be seeing anyway. It's not like I walk around in a Speedo.

And no, I completely failed to ID the American tourists on the Champs Elysee. But I was only in Paris for four days and it was in early April. So the weather wasn't all that conducive to shorts and I don't think it's really the time of year for Americans to be invading.

I guess I was actually an honorary Canadian. I had two jackets on most of the time and I only spoke in excreble French. :P (I'm sure I was distinguishable from real Canadians though since I don't use the French-Canadian pronunciations.)

[Mizura]

^ It's not all Americans. :P Just some of them travelling in groups. Obviously, not all Americans form fat groups showing off hairy legs, oversized or not t-shirt which doesn't hide a huge belly, and with cameras dangling off their neck, but some do. :huh It looks practically as though they're going to the beach.

And overall, this was one of the best filler arcs we've had so far. The villains were actually :omg smart! And Naruto didn't use a cheapened Rasengan for most of the arc! Though it ended with Hinata's new jutsu saving the day and Naruto taken out his cheapened Rasengan anyway, so whatever. :huh At least it was funny. Shino telling Naruto that he's the boss. :D

[Intrepid]

Miz-san, what are you and Nini-san talking about? I back tracked your post, and I'm still lost. Maybe my brain got fried while in that Neji costume earlier today. Or maybe I'm just stupid.

[CHEH]

cool cosplay i like!
hmmm anybody still need 151 for dd?

[Mizura]

Magpie, I'm talking about this thread:

http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?p=2000910

:amuse

[Amatsu]

Meh... It would have been nice if there had been a few Hyuugacest moments in the last filler arc. Heck the only moment we had is when Hinata was spinning around Neji and you thought he was staring at her butt.

[Mizura]

You know, having finally seen the fillers (after finally succeeding in downloading it after 6 failed tries only to find that using flashget on a Sunday morning -ie when no-one is online - with Yousendit, gets your file downloaded after just one hour :cussing )... well, they're only fillers, but I feel like discussing them nonetheless. Like discussing fanfics. :)

I found the conclusion of the fight, the nature of Hinata's jutsu, to be rather strange. Not in itself, but in the sense that it doesn't go with all the hints that had been thrown around before:
- the first hint was her dodging Neji with a spin. Neji asked what move that was, implying that it's part of a jutsu, thus of her new jutsu. Yet Hinata didn't spin at all.
- the second hint was her at the waterfall. At the waterfall though, she achieved results while remaining immobile. Here, she was flailing her arms around.
- also strange were the implied moments that didn't seem to realize themselves, ie Neji watching over Hinata. :notrust Well, it didn't absolutely deny the possibility that he had been though. >.>

So overall, all the various hints in the anime had no relation with the final Anything. Isn't that weird? :huh I know fillers aren't always supposed to make sense but Still. We also no longer have the scene of Neji asking Hinata if she's basically alright. :scry Maybe we might still get it before Hinata leaves?

Good points though: the Rasengan was actually not underpowered! It made quite an impact. Another one: Hinata's decision for training at the end. I like how it was independant of Naruto so to say, it was her own decision to get stronger, for herself. I also liked the Naruto and Sakura interaction: it was funny. :lmao They sure make a loud duo!

Some people have said that Hinata is now overpowered. I don't really think so. She got exhausted pretty quickly after that jutsu, so she still has weak stamina, which would still make her lose against chuunin-exams Neji (who can do Hakke 64 and several Kaitens and still feel fine).

Anyway, one more filler, this time with team Gai, and we'll be done. It's also great how it seems that this last filler don't seem linked to Orochimaru or Sasuke (WHEW). :whoo

Edit: A few other thoughts. The fillers seem to imply that Hinata's hobby is... training. :S And doesn't she ever sleep? Ah well. This seems to assume that her hobby won't be making medical ointments, as some of us have believed though.

In the most hated pairings thread, I'm arguing against a person supporting NejiTen. That person is making up things about Tenten in order to defend that pairing, "it's the writer's fault that she's portrayed like that, I believe she is actually [insert list of things that have absolutely no backing in the manga, quite the contrary], then "Tenten's changing, so" (so what? That makes her automatically good with Neji thanks to that, when we haven't seen how she normally interacts with Neji at all? Meh)

[Tifaeria]

I never got that couple anyway, since Tenten has no personality, thanks to the author.

And I just saw the thread to the new Yuri fanclub. Lemme just tell you, I am VERY VERY glad we don't act like them over there. They're even thinking about doing an "Official" fanclub for him. Personally I would be freaked out if I found out about this...and maybe I should ask my name to be off that list as well. My point is, I'm glad we don't act all fangirly like that. Sometimes we do but not in every post. I just feel mature to be in this fanclub! :amuse

[Chibi Chan]

yeah the whole jutsu thing when revealed made no sense whatsoever... well unless she was working on another jutsu which is unlikely....

On another note maybe we'll finally see a little more of Tenten's personality in the next filler but I always saw her as more of a go-getter type. Meh besides I thought she liked Rock Lee... she was blushing at him in that one scene

[CHEH]

Heh i know what you mean. After being hyper from hinata doing such a cool jutsu i realized later... So what was the spinning for? XD and then i was mad that we never found out what hiashi meant with telling neji he should watch over her for training. Maybe we will find out in this filler arc since neji is in it or maybe in the time-skip when she reaapears. Also i noticed a lately that maybe JUST maybe nejitenten supporters are feeling threatened from this pairing >_>. Seriously feel that although they train together and are the only one that dont act crazy in their team (Gai&Lee) that doesnt mean OMG! they are sooo meant to bee! if thats the case then a lot of people on their teams should be couples.
By the way i love how the ending shows her intensely wanting to do more and more and how she looks as failure without being sad anymore or afraid to fail again:)

[Mizura]

About the NejiTen: it seems that so far, all they're doing is making things up despite them being contrary to the evidence, now Tenten is apparently this caring person who shows concern for Neji, while Neji apparently thinks of her as a close friend... bah.

Yuri fanclub eh? I don't know about that one, I just know that the Hinata fanclub became too spammy for me to want to stay in anymore. Ah well. At least I get to have fun convos in my spamclub.

These fillers really were decent this time. :amuse They didn't seem overly stupid, the enemy actually had a brain and um... that is until I've realized that basically, genin Hinata beat up three chuunins/jounin. :S Ah.... o.o;; Well. Bad matchup? Though maybe they should have used explosive tags again, the tags can go off before they get within range of being shredded, and the shock might thus still have gotten Hinata. Though I guess summon was the next best decision.

By the way, NejiTen aren't the only ones feeling "threatened" by NejiHina, NaruHina doesn't seem to like it that much either... but they usually hate NaruSaku more. Ah well.

By the way, I came upon a really interesting fanfic recently. It's AU, and I nearly missed it, but it's actually really well written and extremely strange. I find it fascinating! I suggest you take a look! It's Hinata-centric, the pairings haven't been announced, though the writer says that it won't be NaruHina, and that the pairings would probably anger people instead. Hrm...

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1797283/1/

Soooo weird. But the characterizations are excellent, and the plot quite intriguing. Do check it out! :whoo

[Chibi Chan]

I'll check it out... it's hard to find some good fanfics nowadays... I'm not as hyped up on them as I use to be

[Mizura]

While we're at it, there's this guy in the Library section who is trying to argue that the Branch House members do not get oppressed, that there's no problems with the divisions of the clan. What the hell? -.-*

[Nick Soapdish]

Really? I hadn't noticed.

Where?:smile-big

[Tifaeria]

That's messed up. He must be either a n00bie or just blind. :P

[Mizura]

Heh @ Nick Soapdish.

He's not a n00bie really. Maybe a bit blind, he did tell me that he was more focused on Naruto's development than on what went on in the Hyuuga clan. Still, apparently, given that outside of their clan, Branch House members can go about their business, not only that but they're fed and clothed and lodged, they're thus "free", not oppressed. And since they have family ties and know the necessity of protecting their bloodline, they're quite accepting of the curse seal.

So apart from having a curse seal and from not being taught a few techniques (which apparently to him is not the same as not having the right to learn those techniques at all, since apparently, they can simply come up with them on their own), they're free and happy like everyone else. The only reason Neji suffered is because of a misunderstanding (nevermind that he started hating the Main House before that).

Oh well. :oh It makes you wonder which regimes he's been living under. Next you know, the Saddam regime is the freeist in the world, since you can chose what job you want, and can eat what you want. What more can you ask for? :oh

I'm actually wondering why the hell we're bothering to argue against that one person. I'm pretty sure everybody else sees how stupid this is. Is one person worth it to continue the argument, not when it's painfully clear to everybody else that when Hizashi talked about hating the Main House, that he talked about death being the only freedom he's ever had, that the curse seal actually represents the "caged bird", that with all that, it shows that there is a problem between the Main and Branch houses? (the guy is arguing that Hinata leaving the Hyuugas to be with Naruto would not be running away from problems, since according to him, there aren't any problems with the main and branch house in the first place...)

:oh

Say, did the rest of you check out that fanfic by the way? :amuse Normally AUs are a bit lame, but the guy writing this particular AU set it as a challenge to prove that AUs can be well-written, and frankly, I'm thoroughly impressed with the characterisations. I should make a longer review once. The biggest problem is that he doesn't seem to update very fast. ._.;;

[Tanthalos]

Hello all! Sorry I havn't been around a huge amount...

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I come bearing a gift!

http://www.zeldart.net/fan%20artists/Sariachan/Zelda&Sheik_Hinata&Neji_crossover%20Sariachan.jpg

[CHEH]

Awww cute! but shisho i thought you hated hinata and didnt want anything to do with her? ooo i get it its part of your plan because you realyl dont dislike her right :nod:s?: Your amazing tanoshi shisho!

[Tanthalos]

As I stated in the Neji FC. I hate all characters! All fo them!

And I posted this here cause I was looking for Neji fanart nad thought you guys would appreciate them.

ILN, I posted SasukexSakura pics...

SASUKE/SAKURA you know how that pairing gives me indigestion! :bleh

:oh

[Nick Soapdish]

Oh well. :oh It makes you wonder which regimes he's been living under. Next you know, the Saddam regime is the freeist in the world, since you can chose what job you want, and can eat what you want. What more can you ask for? :oh

I'm actually wondering why the hell we're bothering to argue against that one person.

Yeah, I'm coming to the same conclusion.

Apparently, it's not slavery if they can make you do whatever they want, whenever they want if they don't actually do it (often). To me, merely having that power makes it slavery, not the abuse of it. (And he seemed to be arguing that it was OK to use that power as long as it was to protect the Main House.)

I might make one more attempt though.

[Mizura]

Ah well. Go ahead. I'd rather not waste more time that I could be spending on more important or less stupid things...

[Yoshi]

Wow Mizura, love your avatar. Nice to be back and see such a happy face.

[Tifaeria]

Say, did the rest of you check out that fanfic by the way? :amuse Normally AUs are a bit lame, but the guy writing this particular AU set it as a challenge to prove that AUs can be well-written, and frankly, I'm thoroughly impressed with the characterisations. I should make a longer review once. The biggest problem is that he doesn't seem to update very fast. ._.;;
I did! It was very nice to see them modernized, especially how he handled Naruto's past. Very well done. What get's on my nerves though is how he puts Pop Culture into the story. I just hate it cause they are trying to make it seem cool and how they can make the story relate to SOME of the readers when it's really not that important at all.

[Intrepid]

Hey! Let's make a Hyuugacest soundtrack. My domain expires in two weeks. I'm trying to think of ways to fill up the space and make it useful. So once I get my hand on all the songs. They are all free to download until Oct 10.

I was over at the most hated thread poll. I remember looking at it when it first started, but now I see it and wonder how did NejiHina became the most hated pairing. The NejiHina fandom is relatively small compaired to other Naruto-pairing fandoms, even internationally. But then again, we have nearly the best artwork. Thanks to Asian Nejihina fans.

[Tifaeria]

WHOA! I didn't know you had a website. :blink It looks great. To bad about it going down though. And what's this poll you are speaking of? I don't remember a poll being talked about here.

[Mizura]

Oh pish. Of course NejiHina is the most hated pairing here. The people who hate it include:
- the "eww incest, deformed babies" (*twitch*) crowd, who must account for half the votes.
- a number of NaruHina supporters. Most probably voted for NaruSaku, but some probably decided that NejiHina is worse because of the added "eww incest" factor.
- a number of NejiTen supporters. NejiHina is the only other serious pairing with Neji in it after all.

So bleah. I don't even try to defend NejiHina in that sort of thread. After all, it's basicaly a rant thread. I ranted against NejiTen in there though.

In Japan, NejiHina is the most popular of the Hinata pairings. :whoo

I did! It was very nice to see them modernized, especially how he handled Naruto's past. Very well done. What get's on my nerves though is how he puts Pop Culture into the story. I just hate it cause they are trying to make it seem cool and how they can make the story relate to SOME of the readers when it's really not that important at all.
Was that your impression? I don't follow pop culture much so it's not as though I relates to it. But I kind of liked those pop culture thingies. It made for a nice contrast. On the inside, there's so many things weird about Hinata. Yet on the outside, Hinata in that fic acts like your completely normal girl: has posters all over the place, doesn't take especially good care of herself, eats badly, hangs out with "normal" friends gossiping and the likes. The contrast between these two images, the fact that Hinata despite all her weirdness has such a Banal life (as the fic started out mentioning itself: her life wasn't even interesting enough to land her in the National Observer), is quite interesting imo. It must seem ironic to Hinata as well: "Okay, so I'm a psychic, and a total loser. Next." >.>;;

I want to see the rest. But it updates sooo slowly. ;_;

[Tifaeria]

Hmm, that's what I got from hinata too. She's special, but she is so ordinary. It's quite a change from all the other stories I read about her. :amuse

FANART!!!
Hyuuga Clan (http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/300W/fs7.deviantart.com/i/2005/236)
Bubble Bath (http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/300W/fs7.deviantart.com/i/2005/236)

And if you can't see these pictures, just visit nio-sama's (http://nio-sama.deviantart.com/)deviantART page. I dunno how to post pictures up, so if anybody knows how, let me know.

[CHEH]

AWW thise pics are adorable!!!!!!!!>_<
dammit would they show hinata already i need to win my bet!

[Mizura]

Heh, the bet.

By the way, I'm thinking we should all try to write out what exactly we like about NejiHina, and have Magpie link to it from the first post for future reference. Apparently in the Sakura fanclub, the essay I left on the front page got through to a number of people, I would like it if we had something similar for NejiHina. Magpie? Or you okay with that?

I'll have to find a way to word it though. ^^; Nick, can you try as well? It'd be nice if even Sintari-neesan can contribute something if she has the time, in the meantime, I have to think of how I should word it myself. I should look up some of my older posts.

[CHEH]

hmm that is great idea then people would see we don't "Only like nejihina for the INCEST!" (i hate that comment) but now i got to find a way to describe why i like the pairing. dont want it too short but dont want it too long either =/

[Mizura]

Hey hey Hey! Long is good. Never hurt me, did it?

I've been looking at the back pages in this thread, so far I'm up to page 20. Damn, I miss those long convos with Isentropic. Where is she anyway? ;_;

[Iruka]

Oh pish. Of course NejiHina is the most hated pairing here. The people who hate it include:
- the "eww incest, deformed babies" (*twitch*) crowd, who must account for half the votes.
- a number of NaruHina supporters. Most probably voted for NaruSaku, but some probably decided that NejiHina is worse because of the added "eww incest" factor.
- a number of NejiTen supporters. NejiHina is the only other serious pairing with Neji in it after all.

So bleah. I don't even try to defend NejiHina in that sort of thread. After all, it's basicaly a rant thread. I ranted against NejiTen in there though.

In Japan, NejiHina is the most popular of the Hinata pairings. :whoo

NejiHina should be the most loving pair!! Sure I support the NaruHina too but I doubt Naruto would ever realise but I support it nonetheless 'cause it's good to dream and I do like them. Anyhow, NejiHina seem more close and I do love the pair. What's wrong with baby being deformed. If they are created from love than nothing matter. but I doubt many would think the same tho.

Anyway, I'm working on a Hinata fanart. I'll post it when done. :D

[Mizura]

Erm, the thing is, the additional risk of deformities in the case of cousin marriages actually isn't that high. First cousins only have twice the risks of deformities compared to non-cousins. So for every two deformed cousin babies, there is a deformed baby from a non-cousin couple...

I've been looking through this thread again. Soooo many good memories. :whoo :occa I feel like a fangirl all over again! I miss Ayeh...

[Intrepid]

Sure. I'm so glad people are actually taking the time to write about NejiHina. I should contribute more too, as soon as I'm done with the SATs. Oh I remember that thread, Miz-san copied and pasted all over the place

[shinda]

I'll try, though I'm not very good at wording my thoughts. I look forward to reading all of yours though. :xp

I miss Isentropic too. :sad Didn't she say she used a Net cafe (I think) to access the internet? Perhaps she's not able to anymore..

Awesome fanart! :whoo

[Nick Soapdish]

I'll have to find a way to word it though. ^^; Nick, can you try as well? It'd be nice if even Sintari-neesan can contribute something if she has the time, in the meantime, I have to think of how I should word it myself. I should look up some of my older posts.

A call to arms!http://www.spacespider.net/emo/gen093.gif

I'm on it. I'll try and put something together in the next couple days.

In the meantime, I'm not sure if I posted this before, but sharingank wrote another NejiHina fanfic - Fireflies (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2536174/1/)

[Mizura]

Ah yes. The sharingank fic. She's wonderfully descriptive too. We're rather lucky here at the NejiHina fandom where fics are concerned, there are some really nice and insightful ones (unlike for some other fandoms I used to support >.> ). We're starting to have bad ones too though... :huh Say at the Hyuugacest livejournal, someone posted two HanaHinas. :laugh They're pretty good!

I felt all dizzy yesterday after going through this thread again and re-reading a bunch of NejiHina fanfics. I felt so high. :woo Now to organize my thoughts into that essay...

[CHEH]

:dance yay! MIZURA ESSAY SPECIAL! coming soon! XD

[Vibracobra]

This...this is the greatest group ever. Not only that, but its actually a pairing FC that makes sense. Hyuuga politics are so filthy and awesome. Makes me think of all the things that could be when the arc gets boring. Plz let me in(cest).

[Iruka]

Anyone, mind pointing out links to NejiHina FanFic for me? Connections is quite low and it would takes hours to go looking back at all the pages. btw, did a search on nejihina ff but mostly came up with narusaku and others.

[vampire shai]

hey this is great!!
before i even discovered this group i was already kinda crazy about a nejihina pairing..ive been writing a fanfic about them where hinatas father arranged for them to get married and neji was hesitant coz theres tenten but then as he gets closer to hinata..okay its a crap but i dont find a lot of people or groups who think a nejihina pairing is absolutely cool!!!!

[CHEH]

well you found us! welcome vampire shai and vibracobra be sure to post up your fanfic when your done VS its always good to read a fanfic:amuse

[Mizura]

Wow. We haven't had this much new activity in a while. Welcome new members! :whoo

Otome, you can find lots of NejiHina fanfics on the hyugacest livejournal community:

http://www.livejournal.com/community/hyugacest

I've also recently found a mostly hyuga-centric community on ff.net:

http://www.fanfiction.net/c2/37/3/0/1/

When we were talking about some of our favorite NejiHina fics, Magpie had once made a compile to try to set up a cookie jar, you can find it here:

http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=1435835&postcount=703

I'm nearly done with that essay of mine. First half done, second half needs a bit arranging though... How about the rest of you?

[Iruka]

Wow. We haven't had this much new activity in a while. Welcome new members! :whoo

Otome, you can find lots of NejiHina fanfics on the hyugacest livejournal community:

http://www.livejournal.com/community/hyugacest

I've also recently found a mostly hyuga-centric community on ff.net:

http://www.fanfiction.net/c2/37/3/0/1/

When we were talking about some of our favorite NejiHina fics, Magpie had once made a compile to try to set up a cookie jar, you can find it here:

http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=1435835&postcount=703

I'm nearly done with that essay of mine. First half done, second half needs a bit arranging though... How about the rest of you?

XD Thank you.

[shalei]

Wow, thanl you for sharing that FF.net community,Mizura!

[Tifaeria]

Oh geez, this essay have a deadline? I'm not sure if I can sum up my love for them in a huge essay format. I can't even debate well. :sad BUT if it's to bring more people into the light of the Hyuugacest, then I'll try. How long does it have to be?

AND WELCOME NEW MEMBERS!!! Glad to have you guys here. :)

[CHEH]

how am i doing on the essay? crappy -_- but i shall still put it up when everybody is ready :D

[Mizura]

Well I'm nearly done. I just have to read it over once. But I'm curious to see what the rest of you have come up with, so do post yours first. :D

[CHEH]

I would like to say I like nejihina not because of some of the stupid things ive heard "eww incest" people and other pairing supporters involving these two say before like "YOU ONLY LIKE THEM FOR THE INCEST!" wtf :blink ? NO WAY! I have been fond of this couple since well..
Eversince I learned that they had a past that is tied together with their clan, fathers and what their fate is during the first part of the chuunin exam. At first I was just interested in these two as developing characters then i got even more interested after chuunin exam Part 2 AFTER learning when they were young he called her cute, yet neji turned out to be so hateful towards her:sad .. It kinda made me sad for the two. After he was beaten by naruto and had that conversation with hiashi i was sooo anxious to find out whether neji and hinata were getting along or not because neji seemed to have a new outlook on life and he didnt seem to have towards hate towards the main family anymore. So after a while of waiting and getting obsessed :P, watching him nearly die yet surviving, and learning he has a high respect for naruto just like hinata. I was completely happy and over joyed when i saw him and hinata were talking and smiling and getting along with eachother without fighting or anything(not to mention she looked sooo cute in that outfit ne?) AND IN SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. Thats when i realized OMG! they make such an interesting and good couple :love(Imo even more than naruhina which was my fav pairing at the time by the way).
After that i noticed a few things:
He smiles at her and only her so far(in the past and currently)!

He acts and looks soo diffferent yet cute when around her in 238 and the fillers XP

He told naruto "you have better eyes than me" sometimes i think part of that also meant naruto saw hinata was suffering just like neji yet neji was unable to see that.

These two getting together could save and change the clan also instead of waiting for naruto to become hokage.

Although different these two are very much alike eh?

Besides narusaku i think nejihina could be one of the most interesting developed couples of Naruto.
last but not least:
AWW I THINK THEY LOOK SO CUTE TOGETHER EVERSINCE 238! XD
Anyway im not saying that these scenes are proof that they are in love and nejihina will happen or something because its NOT! its just a few things i remember what happend that led me to be a supporter of this pairing

ok there is my crapp so called essay now eveybody else post their's

[Mizura]

No no, it's fine. :amuse Maybe just edit it a bit to get caps where there are supposed to be caps, and some more punctuation. Just to make it look more tidy. :amuse

Nick? What about you?

And Magpie, it'd be nice if these were linked to from somewhere visible on the front page. People tend to skip these things otherwise, and it's a pity: It'd be nice if people could more readily notice them and thus find out more about these pairings. Maybe you can even put the member list between spoiler tags, so that it doesn't "hide" the rest of the things in that post (when people have to start scrolling, they usually skip the rest >.>;; ).

[shinda]

Nicely said.
I still don't know what I should write. -__-;;

Linking them on the first post is a good idea. :)

[Nick Soapdish]

The first thing that has to come up in any discussion about NejiHina has to be "the incest thing". It's like a law.:P

So here's my thoughts on it.

I don't care.

In more detail, I'd like to note that incest is defined as being legally or socially taboo. So cousin marriage isn't always incest. It depends on the culture and nation.

Personally, I find the idea squicky. People in your family are off limits; people outside of it are fair game (within reason). And I've always considered my cousins as part of my near-immediate family, even though I don't know most of them all that well. So I wouldn't consider a relationship with any of my cousins.

OTOH, I could care less what other people do as long as all the parties are of the age of consent and actually consenting. After getting involved in the debates, I've read up a bit on cousin marriage and the evidence seems pretty conclusive that the genetic risk is marginal which dispenses with another possible objection. In theory, I'm that keen on imposing my morality on others (although I'm adept at finding loopholes on why it might be appropriate, such as banning smoking in public places).

But this doesn't say anything about why I'm for NejiHina. It just dispenses with a reason why I'm not against it.

This isn't really going to be much about their scenes together. Most of their interaction was during their fight in the chuunin exam and it ended with Neji trying to kill her which isn't really good evidence that they'd be good together.:smile-big Anyway, a lot of this is going to be really reading between the lines and not necessarily supported by the manga. (It isn't contradicted, but it's a matter of interpretation, even more so than usual.)

It starts with how I first "met" Neji.

I didn't start reading/watching Naruto from the beginning. I got into it over Christmas, watching a few episodes with a friend who is a real animaniac and was back in town for the holidays. It was kinda disjointed since he was working his way through the whole series and I could only hang out on evenings. So the first episode that I saw was when Naruto met Jiraiya and tried to get him as his teacher instead of Ebisu. Then I caught the match between Shikamaru and Temari. Then a few episodes of the fight between Gaara and Naruto. I didn't catch a solid block until Naruto's fight with Kabuto (and yeah, I missed the first part of that fight).

So the first time that I saw Neji was during the Rescue Sasuke arc. My impression of him was of the quiet, sensitive sort. He seemed introspective and probably the artistic sort. There was that line "Naruto, you have better eyes than I do" which was obviously not referring to physically, but the ability to see a person's heart. I actually kinda wondered why he was in the biz since he seemed out of place. His slim build and long hair probably contributed to my assumption. Plus, his fighting style was more graceful than the others'. Then that impression was capped off by his "death" in which he had such a beatific smile and was grateful for Naruto saving him from the darkness.

By this time, I'd managed to download most of the earlier stuff and started from the top. Not thinking of that darkness line above, I didn't really think much of it when he first appeared, although he seemed a bit out of character from what I'd remembered. But I had a real WTF moment when he had his match with Hinata. It was a real shock to see him as such a jerk. (Jerk doesn't really cover it, but this is a family-friendly board.) But the other half of the chuunin exam helped show me how he'd gotten from point A to point B in characterization, although it turned out that point B wasn't exactly where I thought it had been.

I still think he's a sensitive soul. Chibi Neji seems to reinforce that he started out as such. But the oppression of the two house system and the death of his father forced him to bury it deep. He doesn't let his soft side get exposed to many people - out of habit and out of fear. But one of those people is Hinata.

Because Hinata is safe. She's a sensitive soul on the inside and shows it on the outside. Really, it takes a certain kind of strength to keep that sensitivity in the face of people pushing her to be harder (although it probably got easier by Hanabi's apparent talent as a ninja). Despite all his insults to her, she never threw it back in his face. Instead, she tried to empathize with how he was suffering. He wasn't ready to hear it at the time, so he tried to kill her.

Moreover, she understands ... more than anyone, even Naruto ... what he's going through. She's always been perceptive to the feelings of others. She was the only one to realize what Naruto was going through. And she had even more chances to observe Neji, including the first time that either of them saw the curse seal in action. Heck, she told him that she knew what he was going through.

If anyone is going to mend Neji's soul, it'll be Hinata (or Naruto, but I really don't want to go there).:smile-big It's already on the mend, but I think it'll take more than the dual revelations of fate being changeable and his father's true fate. It's going to take time and care.

So that's why it's good for Neji. But that's only half of the equation.

Hinata has strength. She just doesn't have confidence. She's gained confidence from her match with Neji. And she's been inspired by Naruto to become better ... which isn't the same as having more confidence. She just needs somebody that's going to allow her to keep developing that confidence.

Neji isn't the only person that could be that person. (Lee also fits the bill, but I don't want to digress.) But he looks like a great choice now.

When he started out, he was a conceited jerk. He was the unquestioned leader of his team and had nothing but disdain for losers. But that all changed when Naruto rocked his world view.

He still doesn't show a whole lot of interest in interaction with others, like his team although he did help Lee with walking around once while he was recuperating. But he's less assuming.

He doesn't necessarily seem to have much respect for superiors still (although with Gai, can you blame him?), but now he's a team player. He volunteered for the "rescue Sasuke" arc and didn't seem to have any problems with taking orders from Shikamaru, despite his earlier contempt for him and the rest of Team 10.

I also like to think that he's taken his father's words to heart about needing to protect Hinata now that he's gotten off of his fate schtick. I don't think that he'd take the opportunity to stage a virtual coup. He seems willing to step into the spotlight or stay in the shadows, whichever is needed.

He's also the only character that's shown any interest in Hinata's interests. Lots of characters have shown concern for her well-being. But none have cared about what she cares about (not counting Shino in filler). Admittedly, that interest was Naruto, but he showed interest and didn't make fun of her for it.

It's not a lot on why it's good for Hinata, but this is already a really long post and it's getting late so it'll be enough for now.

[CHEH]

OOOK I EDITED MY POST! it looks better and sounds better now guys
i didnt realize it was soo messy before >_<

[Mizura]

The following is written for my fellow NejiHina fans. Those who wish to defend NejiHina are free to use this essay.

What I love about NejiHina:

How to start... there are so many aspects to this couple, so many layers, that I hardly know where to begin. Neji and Hinata I believe, are the two people with the deepest and most complex bonds in the entire series (save perhaps for Naruto and Sasuke, but for completely different reasons >.>), and because of their past, because of the difficulties they've had to surmount, I believe those bonds to be even stronger, and for both of them to be stronger for it.

The first thing striking about Hinata and Neji's relationship is that there is something undeniably tragic about it. When you look at the flashbacks, you realize how differently things could have turned out. If Neji and Hinata weren't born into the cold and rigid system that is the Hyuuga clan, if their parents weren't twins seperated at birth, if Neji weren't so strong while Hinata was so weak, things would have turned out so differently. When Neji first saw Hinata, he thought that she was cute. When his father first told him that his duty was to protect the shy little girl, he readily accepted the task. Had things turned out differently, Neji and Hinata would have been friends. Like Sakura had Ino, like Chouji had Shikamaru, even like Naruto had Iruka, Hinata would have had her Neji-niisan, who would guide her through her difficulties, be there for her when she's alone, train her to become stronger when her father is too harsh, and maybe, help her grow less shy. Their relationship would have been a close one, one that could have bloomed into more. If things had been a little different.

Instead, the mere minutes seperating Hiashi and Hizashi's birth, and the weight of countless generations of Hyuuga traditions, meant that their destinies would forever be opposites. Hinata had to grow up alone, with no-one to support her, while Neji, himself, was locked in his own cage of hatred. Both victims of an excessively demanding system. Both trapped by destiny.

Yet each in their own way fought against their destiny. Hinata tried to change, she tried to overcome her limits. And while Neji outwardly appeared resigned to his fate, inwardly he was struggling.

All this came out when Hinata and Neji confronted. All this time, Neji seemed to know everything about Hinata. He read her like an open book, said that she was too kind, said that for her own sake, she should remain a genin. He said that people couldn't change, that no matter what, you were trapped in your own destiny. And he said that in order to no longer feel the pain, you should just give up trying....

Yet Hinata saw more. Even when she was barely standing, even when she was near death, even though she was drowning in her own struggles and difficulties in a system far too harsh for her, she could see deeper into Neji. Neji talked of resigning oneself to one's destiny, he spoke of her thus letting go of her pain. He told her to stop struggling, that it was useless to try. But whose pain is he talking about? If he were truly resigned, why did he kept struggling? If he had truly accepted his destiny, why was he the one to suffer? And Hinata saw that, and reached out to him. Beneath the outwardly appearance of a perfect, undefeatable genius, layed a flawed human being. No, the one who was suffering the most was not her, but him. The one trapped by destiny was not her, not quite, but him. But people can change. You can defeat your destiny.

Her words hit their mark. Neji, who had acted cozy all this time in his beliefs, was disarmed faced with her mentality. "Why" do you keep struggling? Why don't you don't give up? Why don't you let go of the pain? Because... people can change. If people fight hard enough, they can change, they can stop the suffering. Giving in is not the solution, it won't erase the pain, it didn't ease Neji's pain. But if you keep fighting, it might be painful, you might be struck down. But you can get up again and keep fighting, fighting to break through the barriers set by birth, fighting to change, and to be free. And the person who suffered the most was not Hinata, but Neji. And Neji-niisan too, could change. Neji-niisan too, could break free.

He had lashed back at her then. For challenging the cage that binded him, the mentality that he has resigned to despite hating it, for showing that she herself could break free of her bindings even as he thought it was impossible, the normally calm Neji lost his cool, and tried to kill her, tried to kill the one who wanted to show him that perhaps, just perhaps, it wasn't hopeless, it is worth fighting for your freedom.

Back then she had failed to get through to him. But she helped lay the foundations. Neji's cage has been rattled, and now it's up to others to show him more. Naruto then finished the job, or rather, he was among those who showed him wrong. All these people around him, who tried to prove him wrong: in the end, they were right. They had better eyes than him. Lee who fought to prove that people could achieve something through hard work. Naruto who proved that people could achieve something through hard work. Genma who told him that a bird could always try to find a way to open the cage. Neji's father, Hizashi, who showed that even with the Curse Seal binding them down, they could still find a way to fly free. And Hinata, who showed that people could change, for showing that while the struggle is painful, in the end, you can achieve something for yourself. For all these people who fought to prove him wrong, for all these people who did prove him wrong, Neji did the same. He finally broke free of the mental barriers he set himself. Neji himself, finally changed, and became free as well.

Because of all these hardships they went together, I believe their bonds to be stronger now. Neji had always known about Hinata, though she has proved him wrong, and he accepted that. Neji let go of his hate. Hinata let go of her fear. Neji accepted his weakness and imperfection, Hinata accepted her strength. For all these hardships, for everything that has happened, I believe the two to have come out stronger, wiser, and more accepting and understanding of each other.

Thanks to Naruto now, the Hyuugas have started changing. But it is only the first step. The physical cage that binded the two houses in a cycle of hate is still in place. Hiashi, by training Neji, is taking the first step against traditions, yet this is the person who failed to save his brother, and who failed to spare his nephew a childhood of pain. There is only so much Hiashi can do, only so much he can accomplish. Naruto, in the same way, have laid the foundations in Neji, but change must come from within.

And I believe Neji and Hinata to be perfect for the role. Hinata, with her newfound strength, Neji with his newfound wisdom. Neji, with his strength, would stand up to all opposition. Hinata, with her compassion and sense of harmony, would instead heal the hatred that has plagued the two houses. As Isentropic said, Neji would be the strong, confident, intelligent one. Hinata would be the kind, caring, unprejudiced one. They were two sides of the same problem. They would be two sides to the same solution. Neji would find strength in Hinata, who all this time, had better eyes than him, and who all this time, has never hated him. For her compassion and forgiveness, he would stand by her side. He'd protect her again, like he promised as a child, and this time, he'd do it through his own free will, because it's the right thing to do. And Hinata could find strength in Neji as well, the one who was always stronger than her, and yet, the living proof that people can change, and let go of their hate. If Neji can be saved, and support her, so can the rest of the clan. To fight on is not meaningless.

Neji is rigid, cold, but softens up around Hinata. Hinata is kind, understanding, soft, but has a will of steel. Each has managed to surmount the cages that binded them. Each will fight against the cages that used to bind them, and still bind others, one with strength, the other with warmth, both with the determination of those who know that freedom is possible, because they've attained it themselves. It won't be easy, they know: the weight of countless generations of tradition are against them. But together they can rid of the hatred forever.

So I see their relation as a serene one. Not one that is flashy or overly romantic, with loud declarations of love under the storming rain. Instead it would be rather plain and bare, the two leaders of the Hyuuga clan. But if you look beneath, you'd see more to it. Understanding, acceptance, made stronger by the struggles they've had to fight. Respect for the other for having overcome his or her own barriers. Admiration for each other's strength, within or without. The kind and compassionate leader, who'd bring harmony with a determination of steel, and the strong and outwardly cold leader, who deep down has relearned compassion. Neji has accepted his weakness. Hinata has accepted her strength. They have accepted each other. For me, it's like watching the sunrise after the storm. Together they can lead the Hyuuga clan out of the shadows of the past, and back into the sunlight.

[Nick Soapdish]

Beautifully put! :thumbs

You weren't kidding when you talked about going back and editing it. You polished that essay until it gleamed. I like how you tie in the imagery. I was always terrible with that.

I'm glad I didn't have to follow you this time, but you probably should've left a bit more room between our posts. People are going to get scared off by them.:P

[earthshine]

biggest prob with hyugacest:inbreeding could ahve hellish side effects. futre birth of hina-neji child: aww, he is so cute he has his mothersOMFG!!! he has pupils!, hes not suposed to have pupils, and he has 3 of them! and 4 legs, and he is mentally retarded, noooooooo!

[Mizura]

^ Quite misguided actually. :amuse I'm going to make a post about that too. :notrust

First cousins marrying only have twice the risk of genetic defects that non-cousins do. This means that for every two deformed Hyuuga babies, there'd be a deformed baby from a non-cousin couple.

Overall, inbreeding doesn't Create problems. It increases the probability that existing recessive bad genes would manifest themselves, but studies have shown that the risk is not high at all. In fact, the increase in risk for first cousins is just about that of if a woman has a kid at age 40+ instead of age 30. Go prevent Them from having kids, won't you?

If Neji and Hinata's kids have genetic problems, there's a 50/50 chance that Naruto and say... Sakura or Hinata's babies would be deformed as well. So go get your damn facts straight. :mad

[earthshine]

i was jokin, i know inbreeding isint really incredibly dangorus, but i thought it was funny. besides, u dont have to inbreed to keep a bloodline, they may just end up with other people.

[Nick Soapdish]

Some studies show the risk as being closer to 1.5 times the risk.

[Faucon]

After seeing the NaruSaku FC and the H&E board and all these thread, im starting to lean towards NejiHina more then KibaHina.

And Hello! lol Guess im gonna join this

[Mizura]

besides, u dont have to inbreed to keep a bloodline, they may just end up with other people.
Outbreeding wouldn't wipe out the bloodline, but constant outbreeding Would mean that most children would end up Without Byakugan, dominant gene or not. After one generation, there'd only be a 50/50 probability of passing on the gene each generation.

Faucon! :squish What did you think of our essays? :tem Say would someone here with a livejournal account post mine in the Hyugacest livejournal? I'm curious to hear their thoughts about it.

[CHEH]

hello faucon welcom to our club
whats the H&E board
hmm sorry if that might be a stupid question
you know what i also dotn agree with is some people think neji and hinata should be a couple because " Just look at thw whole clan you know they have to be inbreeding somewhere!"
that is not at all why i support that couple

[shinda]

Beautiful essays, everyone. :clap
If those are going on the first page, there are a few nice reads I could link to in the Hyugacest livejournal community that some might enjoy.

Welcome, Faucon. :amuse

[Vibracobra]

All these essays have excellent points.

I think that Hizashi's death was the sad climax in a clan that had begun to value a person's eyes (and their ability to use them) over their humanity. And as the series has pointed out many times, that cold, unfeeling existence that certain shinobi value is no way to live a life. Hiashi's apology to Neji and his understanding of his father's letter has set off an inner struggle in Neji as he tries to figure out what it means to be a Hyuuga. The same thing is happening with Hinata, as she stuggles for acceptance (not only from Naruto, but also her father). As time passes, I believe both of them will gravitate towards each other naturally as they spend more time with each other (which i'm sure will happen now that Hiashi has taken Neji under his wing). Change is definitely happening in the clan, and the next generation of Hyuuga that comes will not have to deal with the hate that had degenerated everything that had made the Hyuugas Konoha's Royal Family.

[Mizura]

Yes, yes. Bringing about change in the Hyuuga clan.

NejiHina makes me feel warm all over. When I think about them, I see the two holding each other closely while standing in the blinding sunlight. And they'd both just close their eyes and let the warm light illuminate them, as they breathe in the fresh air. Those looking at them would wonder what the hell they're doing. But to them, it'd be like seeing the sunlight for the very first time, breathing in the freedom after being caged and blinded in the dark traditions for far too long. Both of them, completely serene.

And when they open their eyes, their eyes would be the brightest of all. They'd show the wisdom and serenity of those who have fought and won, and the determination and strength to fight on, to bring the rest of the clan back into the sunlight. The way I see it, Neji and Hinata, is the ultimate relationship of triumphing over your chains, of coming out stronger, and wiser, out of it all.

*melts like putty* (erm, should this also count?)

[vampire shai]

i wanna join this club
its weird and cute and perfect......
hinaneji pairing is so unlike sasusesakura or sasuke ino or anything that has sasuke in it, its just plain...corny...

[Mizura]

.......... Sasuke?

..........welcome! :tem

Hey! You're from the Philippines like Isentropic! I wonder where she is...

We've been getting a lot of new members recently. I find it a bit weird though. :huh We hadn't been getting new members for a while, to what do we owe the recent surge in new membership?

[shalei]

welcome vampire_shai! XD XD XD

about the new surge of members? well, i don't really know maybe because they're forbidden? i liked this pairing because of a fic i read ^_^

[Mizura]

Eh? I don't mean the forbidden part...

I mean usually, this fanclub usually gains new members at a very, very slow pace, and we rarely see anyone else post save for the "regulars". So I'm kind of surprised to see several new members in a relatively short amount of time, especially with Hinata Still not reappearing in the manga. Is there something in particular that happened recently that made people join all of a sudden? :huh The anime perhaps?

[Tifaeria]

EEEEWWWWWWWWWWWW!!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WHYYY!

Because I want to. :P
You see, not everybody HAS to be on your side whenever you in a particular fandom. I admit, when I first heard about this couple, I was still going for Naruhina at the time. Why? Cause I wanted Naruto to be happy and since Hinata really liked him and was my favorite character, I obviously put those two together. At that time I felt really sorry for Naruto and what he was going through.

Then I was introduced to Neji during his fight with Hinata and then with Naruto...

Neji, to me, was a messed up kid. He had a dead dad and had a marking on his forehead, that made him different from the other clan members. If something didn't go well with the Main house, the Branch house get's it. Neji obviously hates this and.......

Why am I just discussing Neji? This is boring to me and to fans who already read Mizura's and Nick's kickass essays

My reasoning to putting those two together? It's better than Neji and Tenten. I honestly tried to understand that couple whenever I was reading a story that had NaruHina in it. I didn't like it at all. I just wish Kishimoto put more depth into her character instead of just leaving her to explain to the audience what Neji does during his fight with Naruto and how she fights against other ninja's. She looks cool but that's it. :blink

Now back to my reasoning...the reason I put Neji with Hinata is cause I don't see him with anybody else. Not with Sakura, cause that's just to random, and not with Tenten, cause there is no hints or I am just sick of it's fandom. I put them together cause she understand what he's going through. She knows how he feels and she wants to be strong to change that. Neji was a mean bastard when he always came across Hinata before, but after he was shown the light, I feel that he regrets what he did to hurt her and saw what kind of strength she had shown him throughout the years when he just kept hating her but she did nothing to him.

Even though he had to protect her in the past (but probably did a half-assed job anyway cause of his Main house problem), I think he'll do it better now because he cares about her more and of his respect to her.

Another point. Neji is a genius. Hiashi knows this and might take advantage of it. Therefore, if he wants a strong guy to lead the clan, he'll have to marry a Main House member in order to rule the clan. I know it's not what people think when they want to couple here, but I'm thinking in reality. If I wanted some sugarcoated story, I'd read Naruhina, but that's not gonna happen.

But Tifaeria! Naruto promised Neji that he will change the clan's ways, so what better way than to marry Hinata, since she does love him?
To me, I don't think that can happen cause we don't know what's in the future for Naruto, and it makes Hinata look pathetic. Not only will he be co-in charge of the Hyuuga's but he'll also become Hokage? How about him just becoming Hokage and changing the rules in the clan? I dunno if this is possible but that can't be his only way of changing it. To me, Naruto doesn't look like the type who would marry at all. He just wants to be recognized for something better, and if that's Hokage, then that's all he'll worry about. Nothing else. Besides, he's so dense when it comes to Hinata, I just feel sorry for her. :sad

Another point. See all those with the Byakugan? See some that AREN'T but are still in the Hyuuga family? I didn't think so. By looking at the past, the Hyuuga elders are very strict on this rule and there is no doubt that Hinata and Neji might marry to keep the bloodline. I believe that Neji and Hinata both understand this and will respect the elders wishes.
I hate how some people cringe at that idea, but guess what? It happens. This practice is done in other parts of the world and nobody seems to realize this. Even Europe has done this in order for their bloodline to not vanish. Most asian countries do this. Why? Bloodlines.

Hey Tifaeria! What about deformed babies and freaks of nature?
I'm not going to explain this. If you want that, go look at Mizura's posts. But if you wanna bug me about it, just go to hell you ignorant fool.

Another reason, FANWORKS!!! Nejihina has the BEST fanfiction that I have ever read. No other stories can hold a candle to them. The fanart is subperb and it's very wonderful to look at. The artists and writers take their time to show off their skills wonderfully. If you don't believe me, look at the Hyuugacest livejournal community, Eight Birds (http://www.livejournal.com/community/hyugacest/), and see their works. Or look at Route To The Paradise (http://www.geocities.jp/rouparakuen/)and admire how much emotion the artist puts in her work. And if you don't like their style, there is plenty more where that came from! This fandom has a TON of fans all over and we have very nice ways of showing off our love. :smile-big

So if you are still unconvinced that the NejiHina fandom isn't for you and just wanna blast us cause of incest, we are very openminded and we couldn't care less if you did. So it's your loss. :P

[Mizura]

Great work Tifaeria! I might add my own two cents about NejiTen later. I'll also have to write an essay against other people's culture bias when it comes to "incest", and one more on genetic risks.

Magpie, maybe we can help you organize the first post a bit better? I'd like people to be immediately see the links to these essays when they look at the first post, not only the ones on why we like NejiHina, but the ones on genetic risks and whatnot that I'll type up as well. People don't always realize the greatness in the NejiHina pairing, it'd be nice to make it more obvious. :tem

Oh by the way, to whomever posts my (and other people's) essays onto the Hyugacest livejournal, can you post it whole instead of just linking? People seem less inclined to follow a link than start reading an essay. =\

[lil-wolf]

i love this community very much~ >.< *showers NejiHIna luv to all*

[Kunoichie]

can i join please! i love this pairing soooo much!

[Mizura]

It's really weird to be seeing all these new faces here lately. :S But hey. :tem Magpie will add you when she drops by. In the meantime, in these last two pages, we've been writing essays about what we like in NejiHina. Do read if you have the time.

This is mine: Watching the sun rise after the storm (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=2100192&postcount=1352)

[CHEH]

Well thats rare to have a nejihina/nejitenten fan in here but then again im a nejihina/naruhina fan myself im sorry im just sooo into leetenten the more i see fanartwhich is hard to findWELCOME! kunoichie and vampire shai! hey magpie! from the last ten pages how many new member have we gained? :dance this is fun. hmm i shall name my essay "NEJIHINA IS SO CUuuUTE!>.< the mind of a spazzing nejihina fangirl" XD

[shinda]

It is, but we're always happy to see new people. :occa

Great essay Tif! After reading all of these essays, you guys are making me love Nejihina even much more. I'm becoming all fangirlish. :spaz Is that a good thing? o,o

Hmm..What would you guys think about putting together a nejihina fanart gallery?

[CHEH]

Awesome idea feh ! but we have to put up who drew them right? cuz i saved all my links i got my fanart from :)
and i went back on some old pages and refound our pretty fc banner that we dont have on the front page
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/985/hyuugacestfc3ej.gif

[shinda]

That is my concern as well, giving credit. We could probably find some of the artists if we really look (the nejihina fanart ring would probably help). Though there are some scatterd on random pages here, and I have no idea where they came from. :S

A nice banner, I've seen it around in sigs. :dance Isn't there another one as well?

[CHEH]

hmm i have seen the other one. maybe we should make a new one too?

[Mizura]

Maybe instead of setting up a gallery, we can just set up a number of links, with a couple of sample pics from each site? I know I sometimes would like to find the fanart the site is from, but it's hard sometimes. Then again, the problem with just linking to sites, is that since they're in Japanese, they're hard to navigate... *sighs* Do both? Set up a gallery, and link to the sites they're from.

[MartialHorror]

EEEEWWWWWWWWWWWW!!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WHYYY!

Because I want to. :P
You see, not everybody HAS to be on your side whenever you in a particular fandom. I admit, when I first heard about this couple, I was still going for Naruhina at the time. Why? Cause I wanted Naruto to be happy and since Hinata really liked him and was my favorite character, I obviously put those two together. At that time I felt really sorry for Naruto and what he was going through.

Then I was introduced to Neji during his fight with Hinata and then with Naruto...

Neji, to me, was a messed up kid. He had a dead dad and had a marking on his forhead, that made him different from the other clan members. If something didn't go well with the Main house, the Branch house get's it. Neji obviously hates this and.......

Why am I just discussing Neji? This is boring to me and to fans who already read Mizura's and Nick's kickass essays

My reasoning to putting those two together? It's better than Neji and Tenten. I honestly tried to understand that couple whenever I was reading a story that had NaruHina in it. I didn't like it at all. Why?

CAUSE TENTEN HAS NO PERSONALITY

I feel so sorry for those poor people whenever they write a NejiTen story together cause they have to mold her to their liking. Well...that is kinda good but I don't wanna read one NejiTen story where she is this abused raped ninja who can't defend herself and depends on Neji to help her, acting all weak and can't be a ninja again. In another story, she is this very happy and charming girl who flirts with Neji ever so often AND HE FALLS FOR IT EVENTUALLY!!! No offence to TenTen fans, I do like her. She has a nice way of fighting and I like her goal to becoming like the next Tsunade. But I really hate how the author just plain put her there just cause of the "one girl per team" factor. I just can't stand the fact that people put her there just cause she's with Neji the most (and if I get any neg rep for this, I could care less. That action just shows that you're very immature. Relax, people. It's just an opinion, nothing more. :P)

Now back to my question...the reason I put Neji with Hinata is cause I don't see him with anybody else. Not with Sakura, cause that's just to random, and not with Tenten, cause there is no hints or I am just sick of it's fandom. I put them together cause she understand what he's going through. She knows how he feels and she wants to be strong to change that. Neji was a mean bastard when he always came across Hinata before, but after he was shown the light, I feel that he regrets what he did to hurt her and saw what kind of strength she had shown him throughout the years when he just kept hating her but she did nothing to him.

Even though he had to protect her in the past (but probably did a half-assed job anyway cause of his Main house problem), I think he'll do it better now because he cares about her more and of his respect to her.

Another point. Neji is a genius. Hiashi knows this and might take advantage of it. Therefore, if he wants a strong guy to lead the clan, he'll have to marry a Main House member in order to rule the clan. I know it's not what people think when they want to couple here, but I'm thinking in reality. If I wanted some sugarcoated story, I'd read Naruhina, but that's not gonna happen.

But Tifaeria! Naruto promised Neji that he will change the clan's ways, so what better way than to marry Hinata, since she does love him?
To me, I don't think that can happen cause we don't know what's in the future for Naruto, and it makes Hinata look pathetic. Not only will he be co-in charge of the Hyuuga's but he'll also become Hokage? How about him just becoming Hokage and changing the rules in the clan? I dunno if this is possible but that can't be his only way of changing it. To me, Naruto doesn't look like the type who would marry at all. He just wants to be recognized for something better, and if that's Hokage, then that's all he'll worry about. Nothing else. Besides, he's so dense when it comes to Hinata, I just feel sorry for her. :sad

Another point. See all those with the Byakugan? See some that AREN'T but are still in the Hyuuga family? I didn't think so. By looking at the past, the Hyuuga elders are very strict on this rule and there is no doubt that Hinata and Neji might marry to keep the bloodline. I believe that Neji and Hinata both understand this and will respect the elders wishes.
I hate how some people cringe at that idea, but guess what? It happens. This practice is done in other parts of the world and nobody seems to realize this. Even Europe has done this in order for their bloodline to not vanish. Most asian countries do this. Why? Bloodlines.

Hey Tifaeria! What about deformed babies and freaks of nature?
I'm not going to explain this. If you want that, go look at Mizura's posts. But if you wanna bug me about it, just go to hell you ignorant fool.

Another reason, FANWORKS!!! Nejihina has the BEST fanfiction that I have ever read. No other stories can hold a candle to them. The fanart is subperb and it's very wonderful to look at. The artists and writers take their time to show off their skills wonderfully. If you don't believe me, look at the Hyuugacest livejournal community, Eight Birds (http://www.livejournal.com/community/hyugacest/), and see their works. Or look at Route To The Paradise (http://www.geocities.jp/rouparakuen/)and admire how much emotion the artist puts in her work. And if you don't like their style, there is plenty more where that came from! This fandom has a TON of fans all over and we have very nice ways of showing off our love. :smile-big

So if you are still unconvinced that the NejiHina fandom isn't for you and just wanna blast us cause of incest, we are very openminded and we couldn't care less if you did. So it's your loss. :P

wow, this made me almost like NejiHina.

One thing though I have to find ironic. The NejiTen fics that really have Tenten raped and stuff, I've never even seen. Except one..............but that ended up having them all raped(I think I actually read that even before I actually watched an episode of naruto, lol).....and I thought Neji was terribly written. He was a mix between Naruto, Kohonamaru, and.............Kankurou.

Most NejiTen fics I have read are actually comedy. I mean, one has Kiba turning Neji into a dog and Tenten(not knowing its Neji) having to take care of him.

cute....but thats it.

Now, the ironic part is that every NejiHina fic I have read...............which have been 3. all have Hinata either raped or Neji raping her.

What makes that so common I guess is that Neji and Hinata both are angsty and when you combine two angsty characters you somehow get rape............in these fanfictions.

At least you can see it happening though, I mean, they do live in the same complex. While most NaruHina fanfics have Naruto fall in love with Hinata for some reason, blah,blah,blah.

Anyway, while I dont care for NejiHina, I admit I can't really see Neji with anyone else. Maybe Tenten, but Tenten would demand too much time and hurt Neji's chances in becoming an uber-ninja. Also, for some reason I can picture Neji wanting to strangle her in her sleep.

ACK! WHY AM I POSTING HERE ANYWAY!?

[Mizura]

You read Tif's essay, and you didn't bother commenting on Mine? :mad

And if you want non-angsty fics, there's the beautiful Learning how to breathe (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1652170/1/) by Sunfreak for example, and there are characterizations of their relationship that I really like, lie They never romanced (http://www.livejournal.com/community/hyugacest/45060.html#cutid1) or The simplest answer (http://www.livejournal.com/community/hyugacest/32789.html#cutid1), and Sight (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2390200/1/). There is the angst, yes, the "storm" as I call it, but beyond that there's the sunrise I believe.

[MartialHorror]

I didn't look that far back.........................................

lol, I'll check! I'll check! Please don't hurt me!

[MartialHorror]

All this came out when Hinata and Neji confronted. All this time, Neji seemed to know everything about Hinata. He read her like an open book, said that she was too kind, said that for her own sake, she should remain a genin. He said that people couldn't change, that no matter what, you were trapped in your own destiny. And he said that in order to no longer feel the pain, you should just give up trying....

Yet Hinata saw more. Even when she was barely standing, even when she was near death, even though she was drowning in her own struggles and difficulties in a system far too harsh for her, she could see deeper into Neji. Neji talked of resigning oneself to one's destiny, he spoke of her thus letting go of her pain. He told her to stop struggling, that it was useless to try. But whose pain is he talking about? If he were truly resigned, why did he kept struggling? If he had truly accepted his destiny, why was he the one to suffer? And Hinata saw that, and reached out to him. Beneath the outwardly appearance of a perfect, undefeatable genius, layed a flawed human being. No, the one who was suffering the most was not her, but him. The one trapped by destiny was not her, not quite, but him. But people can change. You can defeat your destiny.
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AAAH! I never thought of that one.

Good essay. You're right. Neji and Hinata know eachother more than any other pairing.

AGH! my loyalties to KibaHina remain.

If I keep reading these essays, I might start liking NejiHina so I must RUN AWAY!

[Mizura]

:D :D :D :D :D

No problem. As long as you see that there's more to NejiHina than 'eww incest'. :laugh

By the way, to the rest of you: maybe you should come up with titles for your essays too, to make it more telling. Mine is, as I've said: Watching the sun rise after the storm.

[MartialHorror]

How many times have I told you, that isn't the reason why I dont like NejiHina.

I just don't(which might become a didn't. ugh. Why did I have to read that...) see any chemistry.

[CHEH]

eh?
really i only saw ONE fanfic like that with neji and hinata MH(with the er rape stuff) and with the way neji acts towards hinata now the rape fics make absolutely no sense
the rest i have read are completely different than that, hmm maybe you havent read enough:S

[shinda]

hmm i have seen the other one. maybe we should make a new one too?
ooo! We should! :spaz
Maybe instead of setting up a gallery, we can just set up a number of links, with a couple of sample pics from each site? I know I sometimes would like to find the fanart the site is from, but it's hard sometimes. Then again, the problem with just linking to sites, is that since they're in Japanese, they're hard to navigate... *sighs* Do both? Set up a gallery, and link to the sites they're from.
That's a good point, and a great idea. :amuse
The only problem is finding where the fanart came from. I guess the best we can do is link the ones we can find, and explain that they were posted on a forum?

If I keep reading these essays, I might start liking NejiHina so I must RUN AWAY!
No..Stay..:kukuku

[MartialHorror]

maybe,

alot of people still like bastard Neji.

I'm okay with it. Sometimes he is annoying, sometimes not.

As much as I like Link and Luigi, I don't care for their potrayal of Neji in their more serious fics.......

Although the Naruto Primier was priceless. They all pain a picture and Hinata paints a house and a doghouse next to it and he somehow compares it to the Main house/branch house stuff.

lol.............

[CHEH]

ooo are you talking about THE KIBA website MH? because i love how they make fun of bastard neji XD

[Mizura]

Doghouse? XD

But really, there are some really nice non-angsty fics, I had edited my post on the last page. Learning how to breathe (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1652170/1/) for example.

[MartialHorror]

ooo are you talking about THE KIBA website MH? because i love how they make fun of bastard neji XD

Yes, the Kiba,

funny website.

[CHEH]

You know after us making these essays i just remembered we havent talked about this week's chapter of 278. Neji looked like he felt real bad for naruto:( i dont blame him i did too. And is it me or does he use his byakugan A LOT MORE Then before!? XD he looked like he wanted to say something to naruto too since he was the only person other than sakura who went "........" actually i might be looking too much into it but neji has been making a LOT of awkward reactions to naruto whenever naruto bursts out emotionally.
anyone with thoughts on this?

[Tifaeria]

Waaah! You didn't put spoilers. I am sad. :( Or is it to late for it to not be in spoiler tags?

And thanks guys for all that support and rep! I can't believe my essay was that good. I just wrote what was in my head at the time. And Ilovenaruto, your essay was kickass too. I didn't forget about you! :glomp

GLOMPS TO ALL!!! :glomp :glomp :glomp

[CHEH]

WOOHOOO! thank you! but some people didnt seem to agree
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/7082/buahhaha7zz.png
XD
what was this person doing in the fc anyway if they dont like it? and who is advertising?
we already like nejihina:rofl

[shinda]

But really, there are some really nice non-angsty fics, I had edited my post on the last page. Learning how to breathe for example.
That really is a nice one. It's refreshing to read something like that, I usually read the darker ones.

WOOHOOO! thank you! but some people didnt seem to agree
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/7082/buahhaha7zz.png
XD
what was this person doing in the fc anyway if they dont like it? and who is advertising?
we already like nejihina:rofl
Somebody neg repped you for that? -__-

[Tifaeria]

What an ignorant fool. But remember! If they do that, they are the one's who are idiots and must have a WHOLE lot of time on their hands to do something that stupid. :P

I don't think it'll make a difference to your bar anyway. You're pretty much green green green.

[CHEH]

haha your right!
and now i have a few screenshots of this ep on why tenten is no longer my second fav character
well.. in the anime anyway.
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/8339/ewwtenten4nq.th.jpg (http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ewwtenten4nq.jpg)
http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/2130/damntenten8se.th.jpg (http://img314.imageshack.us/my.php?image=damntenten8se.jpg)
http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/2187/stupidtenten2vm.th.jpg (http://img314.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stupidtenten2vm.jpg)
Now i know what ya meant by she acts like a know it all Miz

[shinda]

Hmm..I used to like Tenten a lot too.

Anyway, what kind of imagehost do you guys think we should use for the gallery?
There's photobucket, imageshack, imgboot..A lot more. :oh

[CHEH]

hmm i like photobucket best
we COULD make a msn members group where everyone is free to donate pics make a gallery there and we can e-mail eachother like a mailing list

[shinda]

I like photobucket too, since you can write a title (in this case, where we got the fanart).

Have you ever made an msn group?

[CHEH]

yep i have it was a group that consisted of only me and scn
but i closed it down
hmm lets make it tonight! i am in a fanart spree mood :amuse

[shinda]

Ok! Let's wait till later tonight, when other people come and post their opinions (if they do :oh).
I will start gathering fanart anyway. :woo

[CHEH]

hai and the account is already made
>_>
<_<
I JUST FOUND SOMETHING REALLY CUTE!
aww so cuuute (http://www.excite.co.jp/world/english/web/?wb_url=http%3A%2F%2Fpage.freett.com%2Fclockback%2 Fhyuga.htm&wb_lp=JAEN&wb_dis=3)

[Mizura]

Now i know what ya meant by she acts like a know it all Miz
Actually that was the last thing I was thinking about when I saw this. :oh I thought she acted like a monkey. :oh

And somehow, I think it wasn't Kishimoto's intent to portray her like a monkey in the actual manga. You know there is a severe lack of Tenten character defining in the manga when the anime does... well... made her into a monkey. :oh;; I actually feel sorry for her now. Poor poorly defined Tenten.

Aww, that's a real cute fanart. :tem

[MartialHorror]

I haven't even seen the last few episodes. Havent even seen the last episode of the Team 8 filler.......

[Mizura]

Say... how come Cheh got neg-repped for her essay, but not me? :notrust

I can see who neg-reps me. If that person had neg-repped Me, I'd have been able to see who he is. :tem

So um, a few questions:
- are the essays going to be linked to from the first page?
- um, I asked someone to post mine in the Hyugacest livejournal to see their opinions. Others can do the same. So, um, anyone?
- so what are the plans for the gallery?

[Tifaeria]

I have a livejournal account but I have no idea how to put links in a post that link to the same post. Does anybody know? If you do, teach me please. :S

[CHEH]

well the plans for the gallery is to put up as much fanart as possible and make it availible exclusively to our fc. Ive already made the account username and password for it so ANY of you guys can add fanart. I guess we are just waiting for magpie's approval first:D
as for the live journal you want to copy and paste your essay in the community and then put a link to you in here? i can do that

[CHEH]

Say... how come Cheh got neg-repped for her essay, but not me? :notrust

I can see who neg-reps me. If that person had neg-repped Me, I'd have been able to see who he is. :tem

So um, a few questions:
- are the essays going to be linked to from the first page?
- um, I asked someone to post mine in the Hyugacest livejournal to see their opinions. Others can do the same. So, um, anyone?
- so what are the plans for the gallery?
They are too scared to negg repp ya cuz you have some super mod powers dont ya? they were probably scared their rep would go in the shitter

[Intrepid]

Sorry for being away during all this. New members added, welcome. Cookie Jar and Candy Bag now on the main post.

[Mizura]

Welcome back Magpie! :glomp Saw our essays?

Yes, Cheh, just copy/paste the essays into the hyugacest livejournal to see their reaction. Thanks! :D

And um, no, I don't have super mod powers... XP I just can see who reps me. Ah well. I guess people just Think I have super mod powers. Then again as advisor, I'm in a better position to complain to the mods (which wouldn't be a good idea though, as it might end up annoying them enough to kick me out. ^^; )

I REALLY should type out that cultural and genetics defense of NejiHina by the way. But darn, even though I can easily type out something when defending NejiHina, when it comes to having to put it in essay-form once and for all, strangely enough I draw a blank. >_<

[Nick Soapdish]

You've already posted one, Miz. It's linked in the first post - Mizura's Trademark Hyuugacest Defense (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=649546&postcount=144).

It only goes into the genetics and not the cultural aspects, but the genetics i the basis for the cultural stuff.

And BTW, there's actually two NejiHina fics by sharingank. Not sure if you knew that since you referred to the last as the sharingank fic.

Fireflies (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2536174/1/) which I just mentioned and Hollow (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2158674/1/). Hollow also has an adult version.

Edit: Killed the link for the adult one since it's probably not appropriate to be linked on a general board.

[MartialHorror]

*sigh*

There is another NejiHina thread.............its like the 3rd one this week..............

[Mizura]

No no, Nick. I'm not talking about the same thing.

There are 2 aspects to the "eww" factor of NejiHina, so to say. The first is cultural. The second is genetics. I'm going to make two seperate essays, one for the cultural one, the second for the genetics one, but not a genetics one of my own calculation: one based on world-wise statistics. I had gathered more information since I made that other post. It'd be my "genetics part 2" post.

And yes, yet another NejiHina thread... I also wonder WHY they decide to pop up like rabbits NOW. Hinata hasn't showed back up in the manga yet...

Edit: now the below... IS what I'm talking about. All of you, feel free to copy/paste it whenever you need to defend NejiHina. Don't forget to put the quotation marks back on though.

[Mizura]

Of NejiHina and so-called incest

To start of: yes, there are laws against first and second marriages in Japan.

However, that does not change the fact that in Japan, 4 out of 1000 marriages are between close cousins Anyway. It seems that they started such regulations for the same misguided genetics concerns as the US did (see my posts on those for more).

First cousin marriages are simply not a cultural taboo in Japan, thus not considered "incest". The Japanese royal family used to marry in between cousins. And in Japanese manga and anime, there are numerous cases of cousins being engaged or falling in love with each other, even in such casual mangas like Card Captor Sakura (one of the characters is engaged to his cousin. Apparently, one of the boys who had a crush on Sakura is also her cousin, and the relationship was encouraged). And in the Naruto anime, Sasame was all blushing over Her cousin. NejiHina is also quite popular in the Japanese fandom, those fans don't seem to think of it as incest either (just "cute").
: there are absolutely no laws against them, and you know what? Actually, the US is practically the only western country with any restrictions on cousin marriages. There are no restrictions in Europe and Canada, and when I asked European friends, they didn't consider cousin marriages as "incest" either. While not specifically encouraged, most people couldn't care less if others wanted to marry their cousin. Even then, cousin marriages are only restricted in Some of the states in the US. About half of US citizens can legally marry their cousins anyway. In fact, 1 out of 1000 marriages in the US Are between cousins...


Why are Americans and their legal system so phobic about first-cousin marriage while Europeans aren't? Ottenheimer blames several factors. First, bad research in the 19th century greatly exaggerated the dangers of imbecility, blindness, etc, among children of close kin. This research was eventually discredited in Europe, but Americans and their state legislators never got the word. Second, cousin marriage in the U.S. was considered a sign of barbarism (probable translation: hillbillies did it). In Europe, on the other hand, particularly in Mediterranean cultures, cousin marriage had a long and reasonably respectable history, although it's rare today. Finally, European deep thinkers contended that certain forms of cousin marriage increased social cohesion. No such positive arguments were advanced in the States.

For more on the misguided genetic risks, I refer you to my essays on the genetic risks of cousin marriages.
It is estimated that 20% of world marriages are between first cousins. It is estimated that 80% of marriages have Historically been among cousins (back when travelling was tough). Einstein and Charles Darwin married their first cousin. President Roosevelt married his cousin as well (not "first", but they shared the same last name). And as I've said, cousin marriages also happened in Japan, it was the general case for the Japanese royal family. In many part of Asia (apparently in old Japan as well, though I can't confirm), cousin marriages were actually encouraged...
Genetically perhaps, but do you think they Care about that? SOCIALLY they're just cousins, and have no more reason to consider each other siblings than a random person would to consider his father's twin to be his own father. But she calls him "brother!" In Asia, it's actually common to call people you feel close to (or strangers, whatever) "brother", "sister", "uncle", "aunt" or the likes. It's like how you'd refer to "that old gramps" in western cultures. It doesn't mean that you perceive a blood tie to that person. Similarly, Konohamaru calls Naruto Naruto-niichan (big brother Naruto), I think Moegi does the same though I can't confirm, Naruto calls Tsunade Tsunade-baasan (grandma Tsunade), and I'm pretty sure that if Tsunade had a hot granddaughter, Naruto wouldn't view a relation with her as incest... It's just a figure of speech.
Even the Bible doesn't list cousin marriages as a "incest". The catholic church only started the damn trend as a convenient political measure. Which of course, didn't prevent many from marrying their cousins in the first place. If you want to be picky: we're All related in one way or another Anyway. Whether you believe in creationism or evolution, we All have common ancestors.

Cousin marriage in Europe was common. Travel was difficult. Neighbor married Neighbor through out generations. Political alliances were secured by the marriage of both parties families. Wealth, and the power it provided, was invested in a few people. The rulers of the time were concerned that the concentration of wealth in the hands of few would lead to anarchy. To break up these vested families and redistribute the lands and monies of these families they prohibited cousin marriages. At the same time they exempted the Royal Family from that same prohibition.

Since they controlled the Church at that time, they veiled their prohibition as a religious taboo. The early Church in Rome decreed that marriages between cousins was prohibited to the fourth degree, meaning you could not marry your third cousin. Then they decreed that you could petition for a dispensation (at a cost of course).The Roman Catholic Church today recognizes that it's consanguinity measures are church law not canon law. Never-the-less they maintain them through custom.

In Medieval England there was only two reasons that allowed a person to be divorced. One was adultery and the other was consanguinity. To divorce your wife all you need do is prove that she was related to you in the Third Degree and that she had received no dispensation. One penalty was that in the eyes of the church your children would be bastardized.


http://www.masterliness.com/a/Incest.htm

Dynasties of the modern era were there was frequent familial intermarriage were the mid- Habsburgs, one branch ruled over Spain and the other over Austria. Spanish princess, however, did marry French kings, Louis XIII and Louis XIV who were not Habsburgs. The Spanish branch died out in 1700, but the last Spanish Habsburg king, Carlos II had been married to María-Lüisa of Orléans, grand-daughter of King Charles I of England and niece to King Louis XIV of France. However, over the last century, Kings Philip II, Philip III, and (for his second time) Philip IV all married their Austrian cousins. The Austrian branch continued to rule until 1918, and they are still alive and prospering today.

However, although there were often royal marriages between cousins this does not technically constitute incest and it should be noted that many commoners also participated in cousin-to-cousin marriages at the time. Furthermore, there was no genetic defect that was magnified by this process of intermarriage that would not have occurred if the couples were completely non-related. By 1910 the royal families of Great Britain, Russia, Germany, Spain, Portugal, Romania, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Greece, Montenegro and later Bulgaria and Yugoslavia were all in someway related. However, there was no discernible downside to this intermarriage which in any case was, technically, non-incestuous.

So really. Culturally speaking, most people don't even think of NejiHina as incest. So we're not asking you to like this couple, and we're not asking you to marry Your cousin, we don't even think that NejiHina will happen for sure. But do try to set aside your own cultural prejudices when others state that they Do like this couple, yes?

And if you want to bring up genetic risks, I refer you to my genetics posts. The risk of defects between first cousin marriages is actually much lower than people like to claim they are. As if such things matter in mangas anyway.

[CHEH]

hehe the recent neji and hinata threads have been popping up ever since she appeared in the fillers on ep 148 and the end of ep 151. Hmm now i definitely hope the tea scene is shown so i can se what type of reactions on threads we get after that.

[Mizura]

But that scene was a couple of weeks ago. :notrust And it was nowhere as significant as it was in the manga, since Neji and Hinata didn't actually Interact in the anime. Geez. (no asking after each other's well-being, I mean)

So why now? Ah well. Comments on that last essay? I have one more to go, for genetics, and that's it. :amuse

[shinda]

Great stuff, Meh! I think you've covered everything well.
Genetically perhaps, but do you think they Care about that? SOCIALLY they're just cousins, and have no more reason to consider each other siblings than a random person would to consider his father's twin to be his own father.
A great comparison. :amuse

Perhaps you should link the posts you refer to when you say "see my other posts for more"? edit: Disregard this if that's post you intend to write.

Also, may I ask where you get the quoted info from? It may be helpful to include that. Unless that is your own work of course. ^_^

[CHEH]

its EXCELLENT! oh and i just posted your essay in the hyuugacest community
hope to get some responses soon. But i know they interact less in the anime. Maybe because of the sudden rising in members?

[Mizura]

I don't understand why there's a sudden rising in members either in the Hyuugacest fanclub. :S Unless you mean because of the dub.

[shinda]

hehe the recent neji and hinata threads have been popping up ever since she appeared in the fillers on ep 148 and the end of ep 151. Hmm now i definitely hope the tea scene is shown so i can se what type of reactions on threads we get after that.
Yea, I'm having my doubts about the tea scene as well.
Seeing as they've changed the way Sakura healed her fish to incorporate the fillers, it's not unlikely that one of the scenes in the previous episodes is supposed to be a (crappy) replacement of the tea scene.

That and, instead of "almost fainting" Hinata did faint. Without any mention of it. -__-

[Mizura]

Hmm... yes, the tea scene might still happen, but then again, it might not either. We'll see. But it's anime anyway. *glares at what it's doing to team Gai*

[CHEH]

I'll seriously calll the anime drap if they dont give me my tea scene how could anyone take a scene like this out T_T
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/6338/narutoch238p08copycopy4ra.jpg

[shinda]

I love that scene, everybody looks so happy for once. *sigh*
Even though it is just the anime, it would be a shame to lose something like that. :sad

Heh, yea..poor team Gai.
Though I generally don't like filler arcs, I did like the bikouchu one (extra screen time for my favourite characters, so...). Hinata was a bit out of character from time to time though. ANDANDAND!! They showed a part of shino's eye. *gasp*
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/8905/bscap2649kj.jpg

[Lilica]

Hey that scence is in the Manga too.
oh btw can i join? i LOVE HinataxNeji paring!!

[CHEH]

WELCOME LILICA! post a lot do you read the manga and watch the anime. or do you only watch the anime?

[Mizura]

Welcome! :tem Imo, NejiHina is one of the deepest couples in Naruto. We've all written essays on why we like it on the past few pages, go look at them if you have the time. It's so much so that even some people who consider this coupling to be more or less "incest", like Nick there, are willing to set aside that fact to appreciate the couple.

As for the fillers, big dumb thoughts of the day:
- the present fillers seem to be centered on Lee.
- thus Lee will be getting the spotlight, while Neji for example will probably take a back seat (Naruto will finish the job though, with YAR: Yet Another Rasengan).
- essentially, Neji would thus be portrayed as "useless" in these fillers.
- in the meantime, the bikouchuu fillers made Hinata beat up three chuunins/jounins.

So is it me, or will the fillers be portraying Hinata as stronger and more useful than Neji? :S I might still be wrong, and they'll have Neji show off Something, but Lee seems to be getting the spotlight for now, and there aren't enough enemies for everybody.

>.>

<.<

>.<

Goes to show how reliable fillers are...

[Nick Soapdish]

I dunno, Miz. That was an awfully short essay there. Are you sure your heart's really in it? :smile-big

Seriously, being succinct is probably the best thing for that essay. The most that you can really do is point out that it's not wrong in all cultures and to ask people to remember that and look at it from the perspective of Japanese culture. Unfortunately, looking outside one's own head is often pretty difficult.

For the genetics one, you might want to point out the difference between fraternal and identical twins, as it's possible that Hizashi and Hiashi aren't identical twins, but merely fraternal. Although they're identified as being identical, it's doubtful that anyone in Konoha actually did genetic testing on the two. Looking alike (or even looking different) isn't enough to determine it as there can be environmental differences, even in the womb. Or maybe that's putting too fine a point on it and detracting from the initial point.

I'm kind of hoping that the recent anime is going to show that Neji isn't dependent on his byakugan and can kick butt without it. But I think you're right and it'll be Lee. Lee and Hinata seem to be favorites of the anime crew. They'd better not pull the tea scene though.:mad

[Lilica]

Thank you!!~
I only read the manga---never watched the anime because i cant...-_- lol
well in the manga there are no fillers and there is hardly anything about Hinata...sadly! she only appeared in the Tea scene after her match with neji and so far we havent seen her in the time skip (2 years).
NOOO neji is awseam! iv read one of the latest manga and he helps out a lot in finding and searching, although we dont see him kick butt but thats alright im sure we will soon! for me the manga is putting too much effort into Sasuke and Sakura....-_- they need to give other characters character developments (like Ino, Shino, Hinata etc) but anyway Hinata x Neji rules!!
i dont care that people think it's gross but they arent acctually brother and sister they are cousins...ahem.
and i agree with Nick Soapdish because Hizashi and Hiashi dont acctually look alike that much...they might be fraternal twins
P.s how do i get the banner for this couple? becuase if i want to put it on i need a site where is comes up alone but these dont...please help!?

[Lilica]

hey Ilovenaruto can i please use your banner for the Hyuugacest Fanclub please?? it looks great!

[Intrepid]

Welcome Lilica! The goodies are at the main post. There you will find: fanfics, fanart, essays, and other interesting junk.

Hmm... I think it's implied that they were identical twins. In Inane's translation, ch102: "
They were twins, their strengh was virtually the same"
ch105: "If we acted like we've agreed and hand over Hizashi's body, which is a duplicate of yours"

[CHEH]

sure lilica go ahead and use it. Its for the fc anyway :)
Mizura you have a point they DO seem to be showing a lot of Lee in this filler. Maybe they will have neji kick but in 155? But i think they are mostly not showing him in this fighting because they want to focus more of him getting along with the main family. In other words they are focusing on what the characters needed to improve. With Hinata it was her strength and self-confidence. With Sakura it was for her to want to stop being in the way. So with Neji who's fighting skills are already great his improvement story is to get along with the main family mostly Hinata?
i dont know thats why i felt they had hiashi talk to him like that. So maybe at the end of this filler arc he is more focused on again back at the main house.

[Nick Soapdish]

I agree that it's implied that Hiashi and Hizashi are genetically identical, but it could just mean that they're indistinguishable to those that don't know (like the ninjas from Cloud).

[Mizura]

The thing is, the fillers are Centered around Lee: he's the one with the ties to the other characters in this filler. He'll be the one to save... whoever, and bring down the hard fist of love and justice on the villains. :oh;

Neji and Tenten will probably be taking a backseat much like Shino and Kiba did in the previous arc. Especially when there's only one enemy involved (or two, whatever): they can't All show off their awesome jutsus, and Naruto is sure to finish off with YAR.

The spoilers for this filler also seem to point to Lee: something about rising like a phoenix, the Beautiful Green Beast (Lee)...

Um, by the way, Lee doesn't quite need to be shown improving imo. He's already shown himself to be more resistant than Gai. The one who needs more airtime so to say is Tenten. But the animators seem really clueless as to what to do with her: they've made her into a monkey. I could have sworn that she didn't act like a monkey in the manga. :oh;

By the way, Nick, I'm the one who always has to argue against the "eww incest" people, so by my experience, "succinct" does not work. -.-''

"HEY!!! Not every culture considers NejiHina as incest!"

"Eww incest."

"Stop that! Cousin marriages are frequent in some parts of the world."

"Eww incest."

"ARGH."

If you don't believe me, there's a Fine example somewhere near the beginning of this thread. :notrust And it's not the only one. And by the way, I Do think Hiashi and Hizashi are identical twins anyway, though frankly, it doesn't change the "social" aspect, so I don't want to make it seem that we're desperatly clinging to every possibility.

I want the tea scene too. :( I had never thought that I could miss it. Oh well. Do you think they'll have a filler with team Sand? :bees

[Nick Soapdish]

But if they're not going to pay attention to what you say anyway, it doesn't really matter how long or short it is.

I figure some people are going to be willing to actually pay attention to the argument, and for those, you don't want to scare them off by making it a hugely long post. Of course, I violate this bit of advice with just about every post that I make on pairings so take it with a grain of salt.:smile-big

[Mizura]

you don't want to scare them off by making it a hugely long post.
*grins* Actually, that's the entire point. After something That detailed, anybody who persists with "eww incest" would look completely stupid. And if they're stupid, might as well ignore them. Those who do bother to read though, are those more worth convincing.

Is it me or is the NejiTen fanclub spamming itself to death? :blink I could have sworn that it was under 1000 posts a few days ago. Ah well. Their problem I guess. I don't look in there, but as far as I'm concerned, spamclubs aren't really worth hanging out in. >.> *glares at the Hinata fanclub and the NaruSaku fanclub*

[Nick Soapdish]

I dunno.

I wandered in once and they were pumped about how they had almost caught up to us, membership-wise. :blink I was momentarily taken aback until I noticed that they're younger. Otherwise, I'm sure they'd have been way ahead of us since they're lots more popular on the pairings survey and in numbers of fanfics.

[Mizura]

Like I care about the membership number. :huh The Hinata fanclub might have a Lot more members than the Sakura fanclub for example, but the quality in the Sakura fanclub is better. Also, NejiHina requires more of an open-mind, while NejiTen is more... well... casual. My impression at least. *glares at the badly-written shove-everything-into-one-fic NaruHina/SasuSaku/NejiTen/ShikaIno fics* There has actually been a NejiTen fanclub for longer than that, but it used to be pretty much dead.

There has been such nice conversations in this fanclub in the meantime... *sighs* I still miss Ayeh...

By the way, Cheh, someone gave you an advice on how to present a livejournal post in reply to that essay posting. Maybe you should follow it and edit your post? When it's a big block like that on the Front page, it tends to scare everybody off...

[MartialHorror]

I wish the Dosu fc had more members..........but no spam.

Anyay. I still havent watched the recent filler, havent even seen the end of the last.

But its based off Lee?

I think thats a good thing. Hes the most fun to watch, in terms of fighting.

Neji is cool, but his fight scenes have gotten old(to me)

Same with Gaara actually....................

Too bad, no Tenten.....

I hear Raiga is cool. Havent heard so much positive hype in a filler villain sense............................................. .................................................. ....................................Kin's anime filler jutsu...........

Aoi was hated because he was a Jounin and sucked........which i dont get cause he was decent and SPECIAL JOUNIN. I hated him cause he looked stupid in those tights.

The Fuuma trio sucked because they were Jounin but lost easily to Naruto.......

Mizuki was hated because he was Mizura. The two stupid brothers were just...............stupid.

No one even remembers who the villains in the Hinata filler were.............I sure don't.

anyway, I've been sucked in.

I like NejiHina now..........................despite the fact they have only had as much time as NaruHina(in development, whether through pain or healing), yet, had, so much more development..........

so I guess I'll join............

Curse my open-mindedness...........

[Mizura]

MH!!!! :laugh :squish

Hah! I never thought You'd join! :D

Yes, Lee's the one focused on in these fillers. That's a good thing yes. The problem though, is with the so far rather poor characterizations. It was okay in the first two episodes, when it was only "funny", but now it's just... eck. The villain seems promising though as well, but we know he'll get beat-up by a bunch of genins regardless. :oh At least it's safe to think that team Gai is actually chuunin-level already. Yes, even Tenten. Then there's the dreaded YAR that's sure to show its face. :oh

As for the villains in the Hinata arc... I seem to recall a big forehead. A very, very big forehead. :oh

[MartialHorror]

I never thought I would join either..............................

Oh well,

never thought I'd like NaruSaku either though.....................................

Or Dosu..................


oh well, damn filler arcs.

Yes, big forehead.................one was a girl...........Damn.

[Mizura]

Yes, the villain was forehead girl. :oh

...

:oh;

*oh, the irony of it all*

Heh, yes, poor Kin.

[MartialHorror]

If Ino saw her, she'd never make fun of Sakura again.

So, Mizura, what do you like better?

NejiHina? Or LeeHina?

[Mizura]

NejiHina for the depth and maturity.

LeeHina for pure comedy. :oh

If I want character development, NejiHina. But I also like LeeHina for the "crack" aspect. :amuse

[MartialHorror]

crack aspect? Lol.

I still Like KibaHina, LeeHina, and DosuHina,

Sort of dig NejiTen, but cant really see Neji with any other girl. Maybe if Kin was alive and stronger.....................

But yeah, NejiHina got the most development.......

[Lilica]

well i dont like thoes immature people who say "eww incest" they need as u said to be open minded and more mature.
i dont find it gross at all...i mean a lot of cultures find it alright to marry family (i dont think they mean siblings becasuse for me thats just not right) but ahem they are cousins....in my culture its fine if you marry your cousin, 2nd cousin etc. except for brotherxsister.

p.s thanks Ilovenaruto!!
pps. thanks everyone for welcoming me ^^

[Mizura]

Welcome then! :amuse Do enjoy your stay.

MH: The thing I have against NejiTen is the fact that really, Tenten is the only person around Neji who DIDN'T do anything good for him. :oh Neji needed someone to humble him down and to show that his fixed mindset is false, so he can start fighting against it to be "free" again. Lee tried to show him that losers can become strong. Gai tried to talk some sense into him imo, since he made Neji promise not to lose his head about the Main and Branch family thing. Genma told him that a smart bird can open its cage. Hizashi, through Hiashi, showed that even with the curse seal, it'd possible to find freedom. Hinata showed him that people can change.

In the meantime, what did Tenten do? Insist on how much of a genius he is. :oh It's strange that a NejiTen crowd came up with an expression for that: "Tenten shows a deep sense of admiration." Uh-huh, so that's what they call fangirling nowadays? :oh No really, I wouldn't mind Neji with another girl if it weren't for the fact that Tenten is so Shallow with Neji. I'm sure she's changed since, but Neji's way ahead of her anyway... Also, Neji should probably contribute to the changing of the Hyuuga clan someway. But clueless as she is, Tenten would be of no help whatsoever. :oh

As for Kiba, I see him more with Ino actually. They're very alike: both are with strong personalities but at the same time are soft and caring underneath. I can see them cuddling a lot then having fun running around and everything.

[Nick Soapdish]

Great googly-moogly! MH is joining?! :party

Welcome to the club!

[fma_lover15]

Wow.... I really never noticed that there were people that liked Neji/Hinata couple!!!! I'm a big fan of it! I don't know if I can join the fanclub, I'm new here :laugh , but I reaaaaaaallllly would love to join this club!!!!!!!!!!

I've see many of the images and fanfic's here and Gravity was way COOL!!:smile-big

[Mizura]

Why hello! Just ask to join and Magpie will add you to the list! :amuse

Do check out the first page for various NejiHina ressources! And check out the last few pages, where we've been writing essays on what we like about the couple! :amuse

Great googly-moogly! MH is joining?!
Yes. Quite unexpected eh? :kukuku

[CHEH]

WOW!:nuts i missed a lot huh? MH Welcome ( i knew he would join sooner or later:ninja)
and welcome fmalover 15 :dance let me do the monkey dance for ya!:dance
you know i wouldnt be the least bit surprised at all that we get some sunagakure team fillers :amuse LOL how do you think they will portray gaara? OOC maybe?
oo and what about konohamaru corps? that sounds like something they would make a filler of too. hmm i never thought of kiba and ino before but i guess its because i like inocho(yay for chubby!) myself i never liked shikaino.

edit:oh yea and i fixed the essay shortcut mizura

[MartialHorror]

Welcome then! :amuse Do enjoy your stay.

MH: The thing I have against NejiTen is the fact that really, Tenten is the only person around Neji who DIDN'T do anything good for him. :oh Neji needed someone to humble him down and to show that his fixed mindset is false, so he can start fighting against it to be "free" again. Lee tried to show him that losers can become strong. Gai tried to talk some sense into him imo, since he made Neji promise not to lose his head about the Main and Branch family thing. Genma told him that a smart bird can open its cage. Hizashi, through Hiashi, showed that even with the curse seal, it'd possible to find freedom. Hinata showed him that people can change.

In the meantime, what did Tenten do? Insist on how much of a genius he is. :oh It's strange that a NejiTen crowd came up with an expression for that: "Tenten shows a deep sense of admiration." Uh-huh, so that's what they call fangirling nowadays? :oh No really, I wouldn't mind Neji with another girl if it weren't for the fact that Tenten is so Shallow with Neji. I'm sure she's changed since, but Neji's way ahead of her anyway... Also, Neji should probably contribute to the changing of the Hyuuga clan someway. But clueless as she is, Tenten would be of no help whatsoever. :oh

As for Kiba, I see him more with Ino actually. They're very alike: both are with strong personalities but at the same time are soft and caring underneath. I can see them cuddling a lot then having fun running around and everything.

Well, she did help Neji with training! lol.

I just like them because its pretty funny to imagine. Also, she helps him train.

But yeah, in the long run, she'd demand attention, and either the reliationship will suck or Neji's talent would be hindered.

[Intrepid]

Wow.... I really never noticed that there were people that liked Neji/Hinata couple!!!! I'm a big fan of it! I don't know if I can join the fanclub, I'm new here :laugh , but I reaaaaaaallllly would love to join this club!!!!!!!!!!

I've see many of the images and fanfic's here and Gravity was way COOL!!:smile-big

Joining is easy. Here I added you to the members list. Welcome, goodies and cookies are at the main post. Have fun ^.^

Miz and Nick, I think the NejiHina bashing from people actually does us a favor. Look how many new members we are getting!

[MartialHorror]

Why am I not on the list?

[Lilica]

welcome to the fanclub fma_lover15!! :hug
i dont like the idea of Ten Ten and Neji...and i agree with the reasons listed by Mizura ^^ i like NejixHinata wayy better.:xp
i dont mind InoxKiba or InoxSkika or InoxSasuke (this is my fav)
im sorry but i tottaly disagree with InoxChouji....they are good friends but i cant picture them being more than that...for me its just wrong!:iik :rant

[Nick Soapdish]

Why am I not on the list?

Sheesh, Magpie. Are you going to make him beg? How can you resist that kitty's pleading eyes? :P

[shinda]

...I think somebody joined twice.
051. lil-wolf
052. Otome
053. dae_dreamin
054. Chibi Chan
055. azn_lil_babe
056. crystal-kay
057. Jennie-san
058. XxMandaxX
059. Vibracobra
060. vampire shai
061. lil-wolf
@,@

Oh, and welcome new members. :amuse

[Mizura]

Hmm, I don't mind InoChou, though it Would need a bit more development. Ino does seem very caring of Chouji, while Chouji... um... that's the problem there.

But InoChou best fits an image I have of Ino. In my opinion, Ino, out of all the girls, is the one who fits the definition of "kunoichi" most: undercover, seduction, assassination. I nearly wrote a fic once but it'd take me too long. But because of the psychological stress such a thing can incur, Chouji and his kind and pure personality can be a relief, someone with whom she can be herself, not to have to worry about appearances, be with someone who's not superficial. This is fic-fandom interpretation though, nothing to do with the manga. :P

yea and i fixed the essay shortcut mizura
:thumbs

A filler with Konohamaru corps? EWW. NO. Unfortunately, I can imagine it happening. Konohamaru overhearing some information by Ebisu and deciding to check it out. And if they had a filler with team Sand, Gaara's personality would probably portrayed as.... flat. Just look at Neji. :oh

Miz and Nick, I think the NejiHina bashing from people actually does us a favor. Look how many new members we are getting!
*scratches head* Are you sure that's the reason? It might imply that they bothered to read my overly huge posts...

Speaking of NejiHina, the more I think about it, the more I like it. :tem I've just figured out the complementary of Neji and Hinata in more or less manga terms:
- Neji is rebellious. He fights against his fate. Though since the exams, he's gained more peace at heart. So he fights on, but no longer blindly, and with a mind at peace.
- Hinata, as Neji said himself, is "too kind" and "seeks harmony". That meant her getting stepped on. But since the chuunin exams, for all that matters, she's gained a will of steal. She still seeks harmony, I'm actually starting to think that it's what the tea scene was meant to portray. Drinking tea is a very important social act in Japanese culture, and one that denotes harmony. Hiashi and Neji were fighting, Hinata seemed willing to help all of them feel more relaxed and at ease around each other. :P

So what could Hinata do for Neji? How about what she's Already done for him? She's rattled his cage, and was perhaps the first to see so deeply into him and his problems. It thus led to the series of events that showed Neji wrong. And all this time, she's never ever hated him. Neji needs her forgiveness I think and I think Hinata readily gives it to him.

Better yet, what can Neji do for Hinata? Now that Neji's seen the error of his ways, he should go about protecting her again. But not only that. I was wondering why he was so nice to her at the tea scene. But then I remembered... Naruto told Neji that Hinata suffered just as much as he is. I think Neji is no longer completely ignoring the fact. Hinata is still shy. At the tea scene, she was mostly quiet, and at first ignored I think. But Neji brought her into the conversation so to say. Not only that, he was inquiring about her well-being and gently nudging her in the right direction (no, I don't mean towards NaruHina XP But he knew that Hinata was too shy to see off her idol and decided to help nudge her a bit). Hinata's emotional growth is and remains slow but constant, gradual. Neji thus still has a role to help her completely mature. ^_^

I might trim part of this up and incorporate it into my main essay later.

[MartialHorror]

lol, I cant focus now. Need. Food. Too. Long. Essay.

And I am drowning in the NejITen fc spam. DROWNING!

[Mizura]

You mean you look in there? :huh

So you're confirming that it's becoming a spam-club? Ah well. At least they'll get higher post-counts this way. It can't be That bad though.

[MartialHorror]

Sometimes.

Yeah, basically. Better than the Hinata fc, but not by much.

They seem to be dominating the first page today.

[Mizura]

*shrugs* More power to them then. As long as it's not as bad as the Hinata fanclub, which seems to be a wee bit better right today but I'm not getting my hopes up.

You know I've also had a weird thought about Lee and Tenten. I was thinking how the anime portrayed all of them as rather OOC, and that Tenten isn't supposed to act like a monkey, but for her interaction with Lee, I'm wondering...

Are they Somehow basing this on an overly exaggerated portrayal of Lee and Tenten's relationship in the Manga? :S Not pre-timeskip I mean. But post-timeskip.

Manga:
Tenten: We've been running for a whole day now! Let's take a break!
Lee: *talks back at her, though in a friendly way*

Anime:
Tenten: I don't know... *makes a comment*
Lee: *retorts at her comment*

So is that somehow how the relationship between the two is supposed to be? Whenever Tenten makes random remarks, Lee retorts or teases her for it? :S If that's the case... it'd majorly suck. And not just for Tenten. :oh

[Nick Soapdish]

We need another few panels of Tenten shaking the sense back into Lee. He's got to do something annoying enough to warrant it sometime or another. Or maybe she could just do it as his wake-up call when breaking camp. :smile-big

[MartialHorror]

*Yawns* You know, I appreciate these fillers because I want to be a writer.

Either I am a genius or the studios are willing to accept anything.

Give me 15 minutes, some paper, and a pencil and I could write a much better plot/script and better villains than these guys.

I dont see how they can be getting work.

Yeah, the anime guys are out of ideas so recycle used ones.
Like the Fuuma trio ordeal.

Or they make up stuff that can screw up the manga.
What happens if Kishi wanted to do a 7 swords arc?
or bring back Mizuki?

Ugh,

To be fair, Tenten is a tuff one to do. She's the most filler character out of the ex-genin anyway.

There has been more information on Zaku than Tenten.............and Zaku has been dead for like 3 years.

Also, I always got the impression it was Tenten retorting all of Lee's comments..........

The manga bit sort of made sense I guess........Tenten strikes me as someone who is pretty strong but lazy.

[shinda]

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5656/hyuugacestbanner6zt.png
Not happy with this. ~_~ May edit it later..

[Lullaby]

:omg Thats a pretty banner. :love

[Mizura]

Hai! That's a pretty banner. :love

NejiHina has some of the best (non-yaoi) fanart, as shown by the cookie jar that apparently is also blocked by China. :tem;; Ah well. I already have those anyway. The problem is that Neji and Hinata aren't on the same level on most of the pics, so it's hard to make a banner out of them. =\

[Lilica]

hey guys i found some cool pictures of HinataxNeji...i must say that thoes pictures can be found in the first page under "fanart" that Magpie posted but i went through the sites and looked around and choose a few that i thought were very cute ^^
for thoes who never bothered or never saw the "fanart" section here are a few:


Warning...Nudity
Found in: http://www.sheezyart.com/full/121928/

http://img.sheezyart.com/image/12/121928.jpg



Fanart:
Found on: http://usera.imagecave.com/Iwonn/NejixHinata29.jpg

http://usera.imagecave.com/Iwonn/NejixHinata29.jpg
Found on: http://img194.echo.cx/my.php?image=n...hiawasecha.jpg (http://img194.echo.cx/my.php?image=nejihinavalentinebyshiawasecha.jpg)
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/6533/nejihinavalentinebyshiawasecha.jpg

[fma_lover15]

Magpie I really THANK you for letting me join the club! Arigato gosaimas!!!!!!
Hiya to everyone! I'm really happy that I'm not the only one that likes Neji/Hinata couple!!!!!

:sad Many people flame me because I like it.... but it's really cute!!!!:P

Currently I'm making an Neji/Hinata wallpaper... soon I'll post it to all you... it'll be my second wallpaper ever made.

I just love the images, banners and pics here! Good work!:wink

[Mizura]

So you think NejiHina would result in 3-headed babies? All kidding aside, the scientific community has COMPLETELY rejected the so-called "scientific" explanation for prohibiting cousin marriages.

The increase in risks is less than double than with non-related parents. Scientists say that it's far from enough to justify a ban. It's just about the same risk as if a woman had a kid at age 40+ instead of before the age 30. Why don't you prevent women over age 40 from having kids? Better yet, prevent drug-takers, smokers, alcoholics and people with a Known family history of genetic problems from having kids. Leave the first cousins alone.

Contrary to widely held beliefs and longstanding taboos in America, first cousins can have children together without a great risk of birth defects or genetic disease, scientists are reporting today. They say there is no strong biological reason to discourage cousins from marrying.

First cousins are somewhat more likely than unrelated parents to have a child with a serious birth defect, mental retardation or genetic disease, but their increased risk is nowhere near as large as most people think, the scientists said.

In the general population, the risk that a child will be born with a serious problem like spina bifida or cystic fibrosis is 3 to 4 percent. To that initial risk, first cousins must add an additional 1.7 to 2.8 percentage points, the researchers said.

Although the increase represents a near doubling of the risk, the result is still not considered large enough to discourage people from having children, said Dr. Arno Motulsky, an emeritus professor of medicine and genome sciences at the University of Washington, and the senior author of the report.

``In terms of general risks in life, it's not very high,'' Motulsky said. His report is being published today in the Journal of Genetic Counseling.

He and his colleagues said no one questioned the right of other people to have children, even though they have far higher levels of risk than first cousins. For example, people with Huntington's disease, a severe neurological disorder that comes on in adulthood, have a 50 percent chance of passing the disease to their children.

Motulsky said medical geneticists had known for a long time that there was little or no harm in cousins' marrying and having children. ``Somehow, this hasn't become general knowledge,'' he said, even among doctors.

http://tenets.zoroastrianism.com/cousin33.html

Will the new data -- which strongly suggest, for cousins, that the genetic justification does not hold water -- mean that state prohibitions on cousin-marriages are vulnerable to constitutional attack? Certainly, the new data dramatically strengthen the basis for such an attack.

According to the recent report, children of unrelated parents have a 3 percent to 4 percent chance of being born with a serious birth defect. Children of first cousins have only a slighter higher risk--roughly a 4 percent to 7 percent chance. Thus, the ban on cousin marriages will not go very far toward the general problem of preventing birth defects.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/LAW/04/columns/fl.grossman.incest.04.09/



All kidding aside, the formerly high incidence of congenital defects, specifically hemophilia, among European royal families isn't the classic demonstration of the perils of inbreeding that everybody thinks it is. The short explanation is that hemophilia is an X-chromosome-related characteristic, transmitted only through the female line. The children of royal female carriers would have been at risk no matter whom their mothers had married.
For more on hemophilia, look here:

http://www.hipusa.com/eTools/webmd/A-Z_Encyclopedia/hemophiliabasics.htm

Hemophilia is a genetic disease linked to a defective gene on the X chromosome. Chromosomes come in pairs -- women have two X chromosomes while men have one X and one Y chromosome. A woman who has the defective gene is called a "carrier" -- she carries the disease and can pass it to her children, but in most cases, the woman has no symptoms of hemophilia. When a woman who is a carrier has a son, the son receives one X chromosome from his mother, so he has a 50 percent chance of receiving the defective gene (and a 50 percent chance of receiving a normal copy of the gene). Boys who receive the defective gene have hemophilia. Likewise, when a woman who is a carrier has a daughter, the daughter has a 50 percent chance of receiving the defective gene and, thus, being a carrier herself.
So you see, it has nothing to do with cousins. A woman carrier will have a 50% risk of passing on the problem regardless of whom she marries.

Some have suggested that the incest taboo is a social mechanism to reduce the chances of congenital birth-defects that can result from inbreeding. Scientists have generally rejected this as an explanation for the incest taboo for two reasons. First, in many societies partners with whom marriage is forbidden and partners with whom marriage is preferred are equally related in genetic terms; the inbreeding argument would not explain the incest taboo in these societies. Second, the inbreeding argument oversimplifies the consequences of inbreeding in a population. Inbreeding leads to an increase in homozygocity, that is, the same allele at the same locus on both members of a chromosome pair. This occurs because close relatives are more likely to share more alleles than nonrelated individuals. If an individual has an allele linked to a congenital birth defect, it is likely that close relatives also have this allele; a homozygote would express the congenital birth defect. If an individual does not have such an allele, a homozygote would be healthy. Thus, the frequency of a defect-carrying gene in a population may go up, or down, when inbreeding occurs.

Thus, in small populations this dynamic would lead to an initial increase in birth defects. But if health care is limited, it is likely that such children would not reproduce; consequently, the frequencies for the allele in question would go down. Ultimately the result would be a population with a large number of homozygotes and a small number of birth defects.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest
In the shinobi world, natural selection would apply, leading to the above. Not only that, the Hyuugas seem genetically healthy, else their clan wouldn't be looked up to as much. So if there aren't any bad genes floating around, there'd be nothing bad to pass on.

Hey, tell that to all the people in the world who have married their cousins. They seem quite happy. And weirdly enough...

Recent research on the mechanisms of human adaptive immunity suggests that there is a strong evolutionary pressure to maintain as diverse an array of antibody genes as possible. This may provide a biological explanation as to why opposite-sex siblings tend not to be attracted to one another and generally prefer to seek other partners. There is some observational evidence for this: in what is now a key study of the Westermarck effect, the anthropologist Melford E. Spiro, in a cohort study of children raised as communal siblings in the Kiryat Yedidim kibbutz in the 1960s, found practically no intermarriage between his subjects as adults despite pressure from parents and community. The immunoselective theory, however, does not account for the converse phenomenon (dubbed genetic sexual attraction) in which close genetic relatives growing up separately in adoptive arrangements have been observed to become strongly attracted to each other upon reunion.
*shrugs*

So really. We're not telling you to marry Your first cousin. But the genetic argument holds NO ground. Neither does the social one actually, as many societies have nothing against first cousin marriages. In the Bible, there are even instances of God Commanding first cousins to marry. So hold your social prejudices if you want to, but they'd just be that: social prejudices with no scientific base.

[Mizura]

Sorry for the double-post, but for those of you who don't get it... that was the conclusion of my NejiHina defense trilogy, the genetics defence of NejiHina. :amuse

[fma_lover15]

Sorry for the double-post, but for those of you who don't get it... that was the conclusion of my NejiHina defense trilogy, the genetics defence of NejiHina. :amuse


Now there! you really made your point. You've made a very good defense.
In my country marriges between cousins is okay, there aren't many. I don't think that is a bad thing, except for the health thing.

My cousin has a desease called "Doença dos Reis" traduction-->"Kings Sickness" A.K.A Emophilia. It's caused by people that were of the same blood... cousin married cousin... so on like you've told before. The dangers and etc.

Ever heard of Emophilia????

[Prodigy-child]

Hello, may I join the Hyuugacest FC? NejiHina pairing was my first pairing I got into and still one of my favorites. ^_^ My favorite NejiHina fanfic would probably be To Where it Takes Me by Kenhime. I'm surprised its not on the recommendation list unless I overlooked it by any chance?

[fma_lover15]

Hello, may I join the Hyuugacest FC? NejiHina pairing was my first pairing I got into and still one of my favorites. ^_^ My favorite NejiHina fanfic would probably be To Where it Takes Me by Kenhime. I'm surprised its not on the recommendation list unless I overlooked it by any chance?


Ask Magpie to join... Is the fic in ff.net????

[Prodigy-child]

Ask Magpie to join... Is the fic in ff.net????

Yeah it is. Here's the link --> http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1440558/1/

Kenhime is such an awesome author. Just wish she update Amictia :sad -sigh- But getting back on topic with the NejiHina fic by Kenhime, I think it may be one of the early NejiHina fics on ff.net.

[Mizura]

Actually, fma_lover15,

All kidding aside, the formerly high incidence of congenital defects, specifically hemophilia, among European royal families isn't the classic demonstration of the perils of inbreeding that everybody thinks it is. The short explanation is that hemophilia is an X-chromosome-related characteristic, transmitted only through the female line. The children of royal female carriers would have been at risk no matter whom their mothers had married.
Hemophilia is not caused by first cousins marrying.

[Lilica]

welcome Prodigy-child! :hug
i found some cool fanart of NejixHinata ^^ Enjoy~
found on: damnalove2.deviantart.com/ (http://damnalove2.deviantart.com/)

http://images3.deviantart.com/i/2005/147/f/f/Hyuuga_kiss_colored_by_damnalove2.jpg
http://ic1.deviantart.com/fs7/i/2005/234/c/c/Neji_Hinata_Kiss_by_Zyephens_Insanity.jpg


ps. here you go i edited it and put it in spoiler tags ^^

[Mizura]

Cool! :whoo

Say, can I just suggest something? The fanarts tend to unexpectedly stretch the pages a bit. Can you put them between spoiler tags?

I love the second one! :drool Where did you find it?

[CHEH]

Hey people! damn i feel like crap with this awful cold. fortunately its almost over :)
so anyway I like the new temp name Mizura or should i say Meh:amuse and it seems a convo is getting real interesting in the hyuugacest community.
Hmm a new opening is coming on naruto tomorrow, i hope i see hinata and neji in it. It would be cool if they showed them training together but i guess that is probably not gonna happen huh?.
Lilica that fanart is cuuute and it's rare to see the person link back to the artist nowdays huh ~_~;;

[isentropic]

I missed too damn much . . .

And I wanna read the essays! So, can an irregular poster still write her own or does she just get the pleasure of sitting back and reading everything everyone has said so far?

[oh, and sorry if I'm way off-topic at the moment, I'm still at page 68]

[Lilica]

Say, can I just suggest something? The fanarts tend to unexpectedly stretch the pages a bit. Can you put them between spoiler tags?

yeah sure ill use spoiler tags next time...sorry about that!
i found the second one here: http://damnalove2.deviantart.com/favourites/?type=browse&offset=0 (http://damnalove2.deviantart.com/favourites/?type=browse&offset=0) it was under Favourites of the artist of the first picture.
but if you want the 2nd picture's artist here's the link: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/22069185/ (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/22069185/) <---contains the picture
or the artists home: http://zyephens-insanity.deviantart.com/ (http://zyephens-insanity.deviantart.com/)

Lilica that fanart is cuuute and it's rare to see the person link back to the artist nowdays huh ~_~;;
yeah thats true, i think its appropriate to do that since you are posting up someone else's fanart so you should link back to the artist...i mean if i was them i dont think i would be happy that someone just put up my fanart and made no reference to me ^^

[CHEH]

WOW! Hey ayeh long time no see! :glomp its still ok for you to write an essay ~_~ more essays more fun :dance

[fma_lover15]

Actually, fma_lover15,


Hemophilia is not caused by first cousins marrying.


where did you got that information? I would like to know. It's just that I asked my mother and she told me that it was a desease caused by cousins marring cousins, uncle and nephew.

[shinda]

Thanks for the comments on the banner guys. :amuse
LOVE the name change, Meh! :tem
I missed too damn much . . .

And I wanna read the essays! So, can an irregular poster still write her own or does she just get the pleasure of sitting back and reading everything everyone has said so far?

[oh, and sorry if I'm way off-topic at the moment, I'm still at page 68]
It's ayeh! Happy you're here and all right. :glomp I'd love to read your essay.

[isentropic]

fma_lover15, don't really have the sources to point it out to you but I have a distant (and not blood-related) relatives who suffer from hemophilia. It is not caused by cousin marrying cousins, as far as I know. It is a disease of the blood where the person suffering doesn't have enough platelets (spelling?) that the wounds inflicted on them doesn't clot.

I think the thing you're talking about is what happened to the royal lineage of . . . er, some European country (sorry, I forgot). Anyway, it wasn't a by-product of cousin marriages. The family already had the problem in their DNA. What happened, if I recall correctly, is that it spread because they interbred.

. . . er, did I make sense?

Anyway, shinda! Hey, hey! Thanks, love. I don't really know if I can actually contribute anything that hasn't been already said but maybe I can just ask Mizura to expound on whatever I might think of. She writes better and is way more coherent than me.

*looks pointedly in Meh's direction*

[Lilica]

to fma lover15:
ok im sorry but this is stupid! i KNOW, i personally know cousins who have married and had kids...and their kids are fine, and so are they. ok? Hemophilia is not caused by marrying your cousin!!
phew got that off my chest ^^

[ReikaiDemon]

I wanna join, now that I finally found time to join this

[Nick Soapdish]

Heya Ayeh! You're back! :whoo

Unless you're just drivin' by. That's not it, is it? It'd be a bummer to have missed you. Meh's been mentioning you a lot recently and she's off not-skiing in the mountains for a couple days.

Anyway, please go ahead and write out the essay as long as you're interested. As far as I'm concerned, the point isn't why Hinata and Neji should be a couple, but why we like them as a couple.

It's a fine point, perhaps, since I'm sure a lot of why we like them as a couple is why we think they'd be a good couple, i.e. why they should be a couple. After all, we aren't going to be NejiHina fans if we think they'll be a bad couple. But it's not quite the same thing because while we may ultimately have similar reasons, we haven't necessarily reached those conclusions by the same paths. So while there is going to be a germ of an argument for NejiHina in there, it doesn't have to be about the argument.

Take my argument for example. My reason hinges heavily upon my first impression of Neji, which isn't going to be how most people saw him first. I still think my interpretation of his character is correct, but it's a lot easier for me to reach that interpretation since I first saw him as the quiet, sensitive type, rather than the cold bastard that tried to kill his cousin.

So we'd love to hear what your reasons are and how you got there.

[ReikaiDemon]

Can't I just join? o.o I'm too sick to write an essay

[Nick Soapdish]

No! Essays are required! At least 2 pages long, single-spaced with proper spelling and grammar.:P

Sorry about the confusion. I was talking to Ayeh (isentropic) who had talked briefly about writing an essay, but sounded concerned that Miz had already covered it all.

Welcome to the club ReikaiDemon! Magpie will add you to the list next time she swings by.

[ReikaiDemon]

I guess name changes is the new fad around here O.o

[Nick Soapdish]

I didn't pick it. The mods did.

This thread (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=60380) has a bunch of folks signing up to let the mods change their usernames to something goofy for 40 days (roughly, I presume). It's kind of a dare.

[MartialHorror]

meh,

CousinXCousin increases it by a bit. I wouldn't reccomend it unless you really love that person.

I'm not a huge risk taker so............................

[Mizura]

MH, the fact is that cousin x cousin doesn't Create genetic problems, though increases the risks of recessive genetic risks showing up a bit more. But the increase in risk is nowhere near as high as people think. Non-related couples have a 2-4% risk of genetic defects. First cousin-couples have a 3-7% risk. The risks are much higher in non-related couples with a history of genetic problems, for example, than related couples without.

fma_lover, I'm afraid your family is completely ignorant of genetics. As I said, cousin x cousin doesn't Create any genetic problems, any more than being gay makes you automatically a carrier of AIDS (as some dumb-dumbs used to think). For NejiHina, I had written the following post before:

http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=649546&postcount=144

It also explains basic genetics. But for more on hemophilia, see this site:

http://www.hipusa.com/eTools/webmd/A-Z_Encyclopedia/hemophiliabasics.htm

Hemophilia is a genetic disease linked to a defective gene on the X chromosome. Chromosomes come in pairs -- women have two X chromosomes while men have one X and one Y chromosome. A woman who has the defective gene is called a "carrier" -- she carries the disease and can pass it to her children, but in most cases, the woman has no symptoms of hemophilia. When a woman who is a carrier has a son, the son receives one X chromosome from his mother, so he has a 50 percent chance of receiving the defective gene (and a 50 percent chance of receiving a normal copy of the gene). Boys who receive the defective gene have hemophilia. Likewise, when a woman who is a carrier has a daughter, the daughter has a 50 percent chance of receiving the defective gene and, thus, being a carrier herself.
So you see, it has nothing to do with cousins. A woman carrier will have a 50% risk of passing on the problem regardless of whom she marries.

Oh and Lilica, thanks for the link! :whoo

Ayeh, you're baaack! :squish

[isentropic]

Meh! Nini-kun! Damn you both of changing names and making me so confused!

Just kidding. ;) Now I wanna have at it.

Anyway, what glorious topics have you guys been on, huh? I haven't seen any manga and anime since . . . uhm, when Sasori was unmasked and just after the Mizuki-filler eps so I'm so in the dark. Can you guys give me hints/fille me in/Just TELL me the story? Please?

Oh, and the essays are way cool. It really shows that we have a very diverse ways of thinking yet, ending up liking the same thing. I would like to write an essay on why I like NejiHina but that's be incoherent and squee-dominant. Seriously.

Maybe, uh, you guys wanna make a manifesto of the NejiHina ship? I mean, it's the forerunner of the Hyuugacest thread, anyway, right?

[Mizura]

Ayeh! :squish

What do you mean exactly by manifesto? Though, I was thinking of helping Magpie rearrange the first page a bit, to insist that not all people view NejiHina as incest. Something like...

Welcome to the Hyugacest fanclub, a fanclub dedicated to all pairings among Hyuugas and, to a lesser degree, between Hyuugas and Uchihas (as Uchihas are distant relatives of the Hyuugas)!



Before some of you start complaining, please note that not all pairings in this fanclub are considered "incest" by everybody. In particular, cousin marriages are not viewed as incest in many parts of the world, including a big part of Europe and Canada, which has no laws preventing cousin marriages. That said, some pairings in this fanclub, such as Hiashi x Hizashi and Hinata x Hanabi, would, on the other hand, qualify as "incest" in all cultures, if you're asking about the "-cest" part.

Another thing: those of you who start screaming genetic deformities are kindly advised to research your genetic information better. All scientists have rejected banning cousin marriages based on preventing genetic risks alone, as the increase in risks is actually too low to justify a ban.

For those of you who still aren't convinced, you are kindly advised to refer to the following posts that better explain the situation:
- Cousin marriages are not considered incest in many parts of the world
(insert link to my corresponding article)
- Marriages between cousins doesn't Create genetic problems on its own, it's like claiming that being gay gives you AIDS. A guide to NejiHina genetics.
- And for those of you who still aren't convinced, recent scientific research has completely dismissed using science as basis to ban cousin marriages.

with links to the corresponsing articles.

Now enough with the all that! Enjoy the NejiHina ressources!

NejiHina essays: on why the various members of this fanclub love this pairing.
[insert links]

Cookie jar

Fansites

etc

I'll try to think of something better later. Do you mind, Magpie?

[isentropic]

Well, manifesto as in, LJ's Ship Manifesto (http://livejournal.com/community/ship_manifesto). It's an LJ where one person writes the reason why a certain group of people actually support a certain ship. I think that, if we did this, we can actually dispel the common misconceptions littering the NejiHina ship, particularly the incest issues. And, apart from that, we'd also be making others see just what it is that captivates us about he pairing. Two birds with one stone, yeah?

Although, er, I might have used the wrong analogy. :P

[Mizura]

Perhaps, but I doubt anyone on this forum would bother reading something like that. =\ I mean, unless I go all out and copy/paste everything in front of everybody, my experience is that people are too lazy to follow up links. =\

[shinda]

I think that, if we did this, we can actually dispel the common misconceptions littering the NejiHina ship, particularly the incest issues. And, apart from that, we'd also be making others see just what it is that captivates us about he pairing.
Hm..It's a good idea. :amuse But what do you mean by "incest issues"? Something like, "We don't like Nejihina for the incest"? Or...?

[fma_lover15]

to fma lover15:
ok im sorry but this is stupid! i KNOW, i personally know cousins who have married and had kids...and their kids are fine, and so are they. ok? Hemophilia is not caused by marrying your cousin!!
phew got that off my chest ^^


thank you for explaining. Lol don't stress it makes wrinkles.

But anyway yesterday I looked the episode that Hinata anoucences his father that she's going on a mission and I got an theory....

It may be stupid but hope you listen to it.


*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

If you've looked at the episodes 50 and 51, remember Naji vs Hinata? The whole thing about his father telling Neji to protect Hina. And then I noticed in episode 149, isn't it? Hina's father said to him about a different training and it clicked me...

Maybe he'll start protecting her(duh I know)... what do you think?????

[Mizura]

... lol! You missed the whole part where the rest of the Hyuugacest fanclub was theorizing on how Neji must have been stalking watching over Hinata in that mission arc! :lmao The idea was that Hiashi must have been telling Neji to basically babysit Hinata (Hiashi needs to die, that meany father who never believes in his daughter :cussing), and since Hiashi mentioned a "mission" that was different from his usual, it seemed to imply that Neji was to go along to ensure nothing happens to Hinata.

That theory kind of went down the drain though, when Neji obviously didn't show up in that mission. :oh; There's still the possibility that he went, but it's pretty slim and we'd be reading too much into it. Other things that didn't make any sense in that filler has to do with Hinata's jutsu: hell-o? What was her spinning (to avoid Neji) for, and how the hell did that waterfall scene tie in with her jutsu, as she didn't use her hands in the waterfall scene? :cussing

Ah well, fillers. They don't make sense. But the rest of us are pretty convinced that now that Neji has dropped his grudge, where Hinata is concerned he'd revert to being that kind little boy who vowed to protect Hinata. So he'll probably protect her with his life now when necessary, he needs to make up for what he's done to her as well. Hopefully the manga will show more of the present Hyuuga dynamics. :tem

[Lilica]

hey guys there is this new person that just came in at NarutoFourm named FlyLice who wants people to look at their posts.


I'm an avid Naruto anime follower and I've followed every single episode (since beginning of this year) religiously. On average, I've watched every episode THRICE. (Heh)


I've sorta decided to start up a blog about it. (Groan not another blog advertisement.... but please hear me out)

There's a slight problem though. I'm not quite sure how to go about putting my thoughts down on the blog. I know I want to write about every episode. I know I'm targetting mature audiences as I tend to swear a lot in my posts.


i think its a pretty good idea and i did cheak it out, its pretty good ^^ so if you guys want to go to the Blog here's the link: http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?p=2157524#post2157524

you will find the link to the first episode blog there and everything you will need to know. FlyLice would really appreciate it if you guys cheaked it out ^^

[Mizura]

Interesting. :tem I'd check it out if it weren't for the fact that I've just been reminded the hard way that China blocks many blog sites. :oh; (for those of you who haven't heard about it yet, China blocks a number of sites for various reasons, including a number of image hosts like Photobucket.com - blargh, I can't even use the account I created back in Europe - and a bunch of others. Yeesh. >.>)

I've just noticed your avatar. KAWAII!!! Where did you find the pic? :laugh

[Lilica]

Oh and Lilica, thanks for the link! :whoo

hehe your welcome! i hope you found it :D

thank you for explaining. Lol don't stress it makes wrinkles.


your welcome! hehe sorry about that i was just annoyed because after all of the talk and stuff people still believed that Hemophilia is caused by marrying your cousin :sweat

oahh i only read the manga and i know nothing about the "mission" and the Hinata fight scene :( hopefully when the new chapter of the manga comes out and Hinata comes out we will see her and Neji talk or fight ^^ although i do agree that i think Neji has become softer towards Hinata (the tea scene!! :D) and will protect her...i hope they get together but what are the chances? lol i very much doubt thats going to happen.

[Mizura]

Heh, yeah, NejiHina might not happen at all... But it's still such a nice coupling. :love

Well, I'm talking about the anime fillers so yeah, it wasn't in the manga. But it's no big loss really, the fillers didn't make any sense. >.>;; Still, if you're curious, I think somebody posted many screenshots on the Hyuugacest livejournal. I view it as an animated fanwork of sorts. ^^; Though with much cheesier plots than some of the fanfics around. >.>;;

[Lilica]

oahh sorry but i have no idea where the Hyuugacest livejournal is. oh well ill look at the first page lol!

[shinda]

Hmm..Perhaps the spinny thing was hinting about a different move? Hinata's move is her own version of 64 strikes, right? Maybe she'll have her on kaitenish thing? :S
Then again, this is me hoping. Not prediciting. ^__^;;

Neji protecting Hinata would rock. Except..I don't really want her to be somebody who needs protecting. >,<

Oh, and yes! You do have a cute avatar, Lilica!

[Mizura]

Hmm..Perhaps the spinny thing was hinting about a different move? Hinata's move is her own version of 64 strikes, right? Maybe she'll have her on kaitenish thing?
It's filler. It doesn't have to make any sense. :oh It usually doesn't. Like it doesn't explain how you regularly have jounin being beat-up by a bunch of genins. Hinata actually took the cake in that one filler: she managed to beat up 3 chuunins/jounins. :oh; It makes you wonder why filler jounins can't simply jump out of the way...

Though her own Kaiten-ish thing isn't far-fetched. :amuse The Shogu Hakke Rokujyuu Yonshou is Hinata's defensive version of the normally offensive Hakke 64. It's thus not far-fetched to assume that she could have an offensive Kaiten to go along with it, perhaps something that shoots out chakra spikes. It'd still have nothing to do with the waterfall scene though. And I'd rather if Kishimoto surprises us with something in the manga instead.

Neji protecting Hinata would rock. Except..I don't really want her to be somebody who needs protecting. >,<
You see it that way? :amuse I don't mean that she'd Need protection. But if she finds herself against someone too tough for her (an Akatsuki for example), Neji would stand up for her or better yet: stand by her side. :love What I'd really Love to see in the manga is a Neji/Hinata Hyuuga combo. That'd be so awesome! Though seeing that most characters remain in their own team, they might never meet each other in the manga again. :(

Still, I wouldn't be surprised if in his mind, Neji is now willing to do everything it takes to help Hinata if needed. But at the same time, he's seen first-hand how tough she is, so won't interfere with her growth, only help guide her when necessary. :tem

[Lilica]

aww thank you Shinda! Becktard made it for me!! :D so nice!!

[Lilica]

i would find it so cute if he stood by her side and protected her whenever needed :D

[Mizura]

Just one thing Lilica: instead of making posts in succession, it's usually recommended to edit your posts. It's really no biggie in the fan section, I'm just telling you this so you don't "double-post" in other sections where such things can get people complaining at you, hear? :amuse

The hyugacest livejournal: http://www.livejournal.com/community/hyugacest

[shinda]

Yes, I know you didn't mean it like that. :P
A scene similar to when Kiba, Shikamaru, and Lee were saved in the rescue Sasuke arc, maybe?

I really have high hopes for Hinata in part 2. Her character was made as a person who wanted to change, and feel good about herself. That said, I can't say I want them to change the fact that she's the type of person who doesn't want to fight or doesn't "like" fighting, but at the same time I want her to kick ass. :oh

A "This time, I'll protect you." scene would be nice. >,>

What I'd really Love to see in the manga is a Neji/Hinata Hyuuga combo.

One on each side of the yinyang. It would be so cool. :crying I'd love to see them fight together.aww thank you Shinda! Becktard made it for me!! so nice!!
She is! :amuse

Anyway, sorry for this short, crappy reply. I'm rushed! Gotta get going, byebye guys! :squish

[MartialHorror]

MH, the fact is that cousin x cousin doesn't Create genetic problems, though increases the risks of recessive genetic risks showing up a bit more. But the increase in risk is nowhere near as high as people think. Non-related couples have a 2-4% risk of genetic defects. First cousin-couples have a 3-7% risk. The risks are much higher in non-related couples with a history of genetic problems, for example, than related couples without.uish

that's...........basically what I said.

Hmmmm, my biggest worry about NejiHina is if they get together,

Bye-bye Hinata................................

Same with KibaHina probably, unless Kishimoto gets a sudden Kibafetish....................sort of like he did with Shikamaru(You know........to the point where he couldn't STOP using him)

[ReikaiDemon]

I just finished reading a NejiHina doujin, it was...<.< Well, let's say realy really risque XD