TTournament: martryn VS. Id

[Keollyn]

Semi Final, Match 3.

Standard match rules

PIS off
CIS on (In Character)
Bloodlust off. Albeit, characters are out to win.
No ring outs
Knock out or fatality




Team Lucifer
Shaka [Saint Seiya]
Shion [Saint Seiya]
Aka no Ou, Sendai [Samurai Deeper Kyo]
Id [Xenogears]
Shaman X-Man [Marvel Comic]

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Team martryn
Elminster - As presented in the Forgotten Realms novels
Rand al' Thor - As presented in the Wheel of Time novels
Khayman
NIcci - As presented in the Sword of Truth novels
Raistlin Majere - As present in Dragonlance novels


Shion vs Elminster

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Shaka vs Rand al' Thor

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Shaman X-Man vs Khayman

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Aka no Ou, Sendai vs NIcci

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Id vs Raistlin Majere

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I'll keep the rules and regulations simple.


Bold the name of the person you know is the winner and leave a commentary (optional).
If you can't think of a winner, mainly because you don't know enough of the person, you can wait till the owners of the team provide info and feats, and/or their argument, before you supply yours.
This brings us to the team owners. They can cast a vote also, but if they do so, they need to bring firm reason as to why they think so. Unlike normal voters, they are subject to biased voting.
With that said, no bribing the members. If you're caught doing so, your team is automatically out.

[martryn]

Shion vs Elminster

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One spell: Prismatic Sphere. That'll stop all attacks made by Shion and Elminster can take his time to devise a proper strategy. I think an Improved Invisibility followed by a Teleport or Dimension Door, and then a series of Inprisonment Spells or a Prismatic Spray or some Meteor Swarms.
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Shaka vs Rand al' Thor

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Doing some research into the series, I've come to the conclusion that it is gay. It's hard to determine what Shaka's abilities are, but in reading up on them it mentions Lightspeed abilities and something about three Gold Saints releasing the power of the Big Bang. Seriously, can you get any dumber? Big Bang powers?

I see this as a Double KO. Shaka eliminates Rand's senses, so Rand then draws too much of the one power into himself and boils everything in a 100 mile radius, killing them both.
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Shaman X-Man vs Khayman

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Khayman ignites Shaman on fire and waits for him to die. Shaman can't really kill Khayman anyway I can see, really. If Shaman doesn't die from being burnt, Khayman erupts his eternal organs.
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Aka no Ou, Sendai vs Nicci

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Don't really know any of Aka's abilities, except that he can apparently summon demons or something. I'm assuming Nicci can win by just blasting away nonstop until he dies, but since I'm not familier with Aka, I won't vote.
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Id vs Raistlin Majere

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I don't see how Id wins this one, either. I mean, I've never played Xenogears, so there isn't alot to go on here for me, but if he's a regular human dude, then Raistlin casts a few defensive spells like Stoneskin or Premonition, Displacement, Invisibility, Mirror Image, maybe even go ethereal for a while. Then he kills him outright with a disentegrate. If Id is some sort of mech something, then a few shatter spells would suck ass. Acid Fog type spells would also cause some damage, or something like an Acid Arrow. I wonder how Polymorph would work in a situation like this.
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[Id]

Shion vs Elminster

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One spell: Prismatic Sphere. That'll stop all attacks made by Shion and Elminster can take his time to devise a proper strategy. I think an Improved Invisibility followed by a Teleport or Dimension Door, and then a series of Inprisonment Spells or a Prismatic Spray or some Meteor Swarms.

A spell caster? Lol ok…Shion does not have to invoke any spells. And moves at light speed. Mirror Wall will reflect all attacks back to its user. Shion at will can hide his existence and become invisible, and I want to see him overcome Genromaoken.

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Shaka vs Rand al' Thor

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Doing some research into the series, I've come to the conclusion that it is gay. It's hard to determine what Shaka's abilities are, but in reading up on them it mentions Lightspeed abilities and something about three Gold Saints releasing the power of the Big Bang. Seriously, can you get any dumber? Big Bang powers?

I see this as a Double KO. Shaka eliminates Rand's senses, so Rand then draws too much of the one power into himself and boils everything in a 100 mile radius, killing them both.

Tenbu Horin will effectively remove 6 senses following up with shutting down the mind itself. From their Shaka performs Rikudo Rinne sending the soul to hell (the body stays ware its at).

Yeah I give this match to Shaka. Unless Rand al' Thor can move faster then light, and over come Khan.

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Shaman X-Man vs Khayman

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Khayman ignites Shaman on fire and waits for him to die. Shaman can't really kill Khayman anyway I can see, really. If Shaman doesn't die from being burnt, Khayman erupts his eternal organs.

Shaman has taking fire attacks that destroy entire planets with a single shot. Besides he can become intangible, those physical attacks aren’t going to work.
Shaman uses his TK to shut down Khayman mind.
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Aka no Ou, Sendai vs NIcci

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Don't really know any of Aka's abilities, except that he can apparently summon demons or something. I'm assuming Nicci can win by just blasting away nonstop until he dies, but since I'm not familier with Aka, I won't vote.

He wont die from a physical beat down, I know that for sure. Hell just regenerate.
Aka No Ou can perform Inferno Chill removing the atoms from the body (as long as he lands a hit of course.)

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Id vs Raistlin Majere

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I don't see how Id wins this one, either. I mean, I've never played Xenogears, so there isn't alot to go on here for me, but if he's a regular human dude, then Raistlin casts a few defensive spells like Stoneskin or Premonition, Displacement, Invisibility, Mirror Image, maybe even go ethereal for a while. Then he kills him outright with a disentegrate. If Id is some sort of mech something, then a few shatter spells would suck ass. Acid Fog type spells would also cause some damage, or something like an Acid Arrow. I wonder how Polymorph would work in a situation like this.

Id is far from being a regular human. In short Yamikei will draw out the soul of the opponent and replace it with explosive chi.

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Know, I demand more informatio. I hardly know anything from your team.




Anyhow
Team name: "Infinite Pawange"http://209.85.62.26/5860/174/emo/face6.gif

Shaka (Saint of Virgo)
(http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=5898056&postcount=24)[Saint Seiya]

Shion (Saint of Aries) (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=5841520&postcount=13)[Saint Seiya]

Aka no Ou, Sendai
(http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=3833725&postcount=114 )[Samurai Deeper Kyo]

Id (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=5238402&postcount=164 )[Xenogears]



Shaman X-Man (http://www.killermovies.com/forums/409506-nate-grey-x-man-respect-thread)[Marvel Comic]

[Keollyn]

I'll post it for martryn

Oh, and how are you casting a vote if you hardly know his team? Come on everyone, don't vote just cause you can...

Guess I ought to post some descriptions here before I get my ass kicked too bad.

Elminster is a 29th level wizard in the Forgotten Realms. That means he can cast 9th level spells such as Time Stop, Wish, and Meteor Swarm. He also has access to epic level spells. In addition, he has several stack contingency spels cast on him, meaning if something happens to him physically, he is teleported somewhere and revived from harm or some such. The details of this are rather vague, but basically it comes down to not being able to really take him by surprise or hit him with something that he has no defense from. On top of that, as a Chosen of Mystra, he has access to Spellfire, which is raw magical energy beams.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elminster

I made an Elminster vs. Superman thread many months ago, and Elminster promptly kicked Superman's ass, so traveling faster than the speed of light, or being immune to heat, physical punishment, ect, is only a small thing for him to overcome.

Rand al'Thor is also a beast. He can teleport, he can lash out with the one power to make people's heads explode, he can create a sword made a pure magical fire that he wields as an expert swordsmaster, and he can produce balefire, which is magic so powerful that it actually destroys the person from the past, unraveling time to do so (not that time repeats itself, just that anything related to the subject of a balefire attack returns to a state as if the subject had't affected it for several minutes).
Some of Rand's talents with magic:
http://encyclopaedia-wot.org:8008/main/true_source/weaves.html#b
Rand himself
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand_al%27Thor

Khayman is pretty much the most powerful vampire there is in the Anne Rice universe. He has a number of varied abilities from being an elder, including flight, creating fire, the abiltity to move really damn fast (faster than the human eye can track), reading minds, immunity to mind based attacks and psionics, and "the killing gift", where he can rupture the organs of living creatures with telekinesis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khayman

Nicci is the most powerful sorceress in the Sword of Truth novels. Her ability with magic is astounding, as she has both sides of the gift, additive and subtractive. She can condense air to razor sharp blades and slice men in half from a distance, she can create liquid fire that rolls and ignites everything in her path, and she can throw up magical shields that stop or deflect projectiles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicci_%28Sword_of_Truth%29

And finally Raistlin is another DnD magic user on par with Elminster. He's not a god, but he is powerful enough to have made an attempt at godhood. He pretty much has all of Elminster's abilities as a magic user, as well as a few additional tricks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raistlin

[EvilMoogle]

Shion vs Elminster
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At the moment I'm inclined to say Elminster dies before he can even cast a spell.
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Shaka vs Rand al' Thor
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Again, Shaka can just kill Rand before Rand can channel. Though I do second the notion that Gold Saints are above the intended power curve.
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Shaman X-Man vs Khayman
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Can Khayman survive being TK-battered from a thousand directions at once?
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Aka no Ou, Sendai vs NIcci
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Not really sure how powerful Nicci is. I'm assuming Aka no Ou will win though.
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Id vs Raistlin Majere
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Hrm, well, I think they're both overrated :/ I'll say Raistlin just because I think he's got a chance of mixing things up at the start of the fight.
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[martryn]

What is with all this lightspeed crap? I thought lightspeed characters were banned from the tournament. This is getting gay. I couldn't use Dr. Strange but Id can use more than one person who can travel at the speed of light? O move that Id's team be disqualified for failure to comply to tournament rules.

[Orion]

^^its above the speed of light that was banned i believe.

[Keollyn]

What is with all this lightspeed crap? I thought lightspeed characters were banned from the tournament. This is getting gay. I couldn't use Dr. Strange but Id can use more than one person who can travel at the speed of light? O move that Id's team be disqualified for failure to comply to tournament rules.

Granted he was pushing for overpowers, he didn't break any of the rules.

About Dr. Strange... people kept saying he can call upon gods and cosmics. Both of which are banned... even if it isn't him personally. If this wasn't the case, then people were being dishonest and I can't do nothing about it because I don't know everyone.

[Orion]

^^yes dr strange can call gods and shit he was rightfully banned.

[Id]

What is with all this lightspeed crap? I thought lightspeed characters were banned from the tournament. This is getting gay. I couldn't use Dr. Strange but Id can use more than one person who can travel at the speed of light? O move that Id's team be disqualified for failure to comply to tournament rules.

The rule was no one faster then light speed.
And no characters beyond actual planet busting.

I dont know, so far I havent broken any rules in this fight.

[Keollyn]

Hard to call this one. Too much biased and angst.

[Id]

Here is the information on my team

Team name: "Infinite Pawange"http://209.85.62.26/5860/174/emo/face6.gif

Shaka (Saint of Virgo)
(http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=5898056&postcount=24)[Saint Seiya]

Shion (Saint of Aries) (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=5841520&postcount=13)[Saint Seiya]

Aka no Ou, Sendai
(http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=3833725&postcount=114 )[Samurai Deeper Kyo]

Id (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=5238402&postcount=164 )[Xenogears]



Shaman X-Man (http://www.killermovies.com/forums/409506-nate-grey-x-man-respect-thread)[Marvel Comic]

[Rice Ball]

Shion vs Elminster

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While Shion is very very powerful and fast, hes fighting someoen who is empowered by mystra, has up to 7 projected images, contingencys for anything, Timestop + improved alacrity = ownage


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Shaka vs Rand al' Thor

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Unlike Shion, i believe Shaka would be able to handle Rand, his abilities are alot more broken than Shions.


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Shaman X-Man vs Khayman

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Personally i think Shaman should be able to handle him, if you look at Jesus Cables ability to control his cells and stop the TO Virus from overcoming him, Shaman can likely do the same. I guess a ring out victory would work here.

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Aka no Ou, Sendai vs NIcci

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Both seem very powerful, I think Nicci might be able to pull a victory by being a more versatile character.


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Id vs Raistlin Majere

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I rate Raistlin just below Elminster, but Id is a broken character connected to a gods infinate source of power, The guy was meleeing with giant gundams and knocking them senceless with melee attacks. Shame Id was his enemy.

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[EvilMoogle]

Shion vs Elminster

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While Shion is very very powerful and fast, hes fighting someoen who is empowered by mystra, has up to 7 projected images, contingencys for anything, Timestop + improved alacrity = ownage


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Elminster's a power-house in the FR universe, but without prep time he loses this fight.

Shion's a light-speed character that will hit and KO/Kill Elminster right at the start of the match, before Elminster can utter a word. He has a contingency to teleport him back to his tower (assuming this is on the same plane of existance) and ressurect him, but the fight's to the death so it would be over at that point even if Elminster recovers.

The DND world is too slow to deal with light-speed threats casually. Give Elminster a few hours to ready himself before the fight and it would be a different story, but...

[tri-sapphire]

Shion vs Elminster

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Elminster has auto-defense against nearly anything, as well as a large repertoire of powerful spells.

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Shaka vs Rand al' Thor

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Shaka takes this with ease. Rand is powerful, but light speed movements and tenbu horin are too much for him.

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Shaman X-Man vs Khayman

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If Soth can't beat him (though I still think he stands a good chance :notrust), then Khayman doesn't stand a chance.

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Aka no Ou, Sendai vs NIcci

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Aka no Ou is on another level regarding speed and strength. Nicci's attacks probably wouldn't have much effect, while Aka no Ou's would annihilate her.

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Id vs Raistlin Majere

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Even if this were Raistlin at his peak (as he was against Takhisis), I don't think he'd be able to go up against a being like Id.

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Verdict: Team Lucifer!

[Vynjira]

Shion vs Elminster

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While Shion is very very powerful and fast, hes fighting someoen who is empowered by mystra, has up to 7 projected images, contingencys for anything, Timestop + improved alacrity = ownage


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Shaka vs Rand al' Thor

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Unlike Shion, i believe Shaka would be able to handle Rand, his abilities are alot more broken than Shions.


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Shaman X-Man vs Khayman

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Personally i think Shaman should be able to handle him, if you look at Jesus Cables ability to control his cells and stop the TO Virus from overcoming him, Shaman can likely do the same. I guess a ring out victory would work here.

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Id vs Raistlin Majere

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I rate Raistlin just below Elminster, but Id is a broken character connected to a gods infinate source of power, The guy was meleeing with giant gundams and knocking them senceless with melee attacks. Shame Id was his enemy.

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I agree with everything else except, the gramatical and spelling errors and this match up.

Aka no Ou, Sendai vs NIcci

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Aka no Ou, Sendai: To resiliant to damage for NIcci. Imo.
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[Rice Ball]

Elminster's a power-house in the FR universe, but without prep time he loses this fight.

Shion's a light-speed character that will hit and KO/Kill Elminster right at the start of the match, before Elminster can utter a word. He has a contingency to teleport him back to his tower (assuming this is on the same plane of existance) and ressurect him, but the fight's to the death so it would be over at that point even if Elminster recovers.

The DND world is too slow to deal with light-speed threats casually. Give Elminster a few hours to ready himself before the fight and it would be a different story, but...

Chain Contingency is instant cast.
Theres half a dozen spells that would cancel the speed advantage, and other abilities that Shion would not be able to defend against.

The reason why the DND world 'may' appear to be too slow, is there isn't any dumbass lightspeed physics breaking characters there. But some of the spells are instant etc.
I still think moving @ lightspeed in an atmosphere would likely permanantly damage the planet.

except, the gramatical and spelling errors and this match up.

<crys>

[Vynjira]

Elminster's a power-house in the FR universe, but without prep time he loses this fight.

Shion's a light-speed character that will hit and KO/Kill Elminster right at the start of the match, before Elminster can utter a word. He has a contingency to teleport him back to his tower (assuming this is on the same plane of existance) and ressurect him, but the fight's to the death so it would be over at that point even if Elminster recovers.

The DND world is too slow to deal with light-speed threats casually. Give Elminster a few hours to ready himself before the fight and it would be a different story, but...

For the purposes of this matchup IF a character somehow was lightspeed they would be disqualified or unable prevented from going lightspeed during the fight.

I see no point to disqualify the team, however if the rules truely are Broken I'd say for every matchup that character cannot win or cannot use the ability that breaks the rules.

Chain Contingency is instant cast.
Theres half a dozen spells that would cancel the speed advantage, and other abilities that Shion would not be able to defend against.

The reason why the DND world 'may' appear to be too slow, is there isn't any dumbass lightspeed physics breaking characters there. But some of the spells are instant etc.
I still think moving @ lightspeed in an atmosphere would likely permanantly damage the planet.



<crys>I still rep'd you for it u.u; don't cry!!

Excellent Rebutle too btw.

[Id]

Don’t sleep on Shion. He isn’t considered thee most powerful Gold Saint for nothing.
Remember he is a high TK wielder as well.
There is no reason why he couldn’t just paralyze Elminster, by appling TK directly to his central neural system.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/e263/andromeda13/SSEG/Volume%2003/Chapter%2010/203.jpg

GenrouMaouKen
The Demon Emperor Fist, this attack only the Pope of the sanctuary can use it, Shion being the pope he can use the attack to control the saints if he wants. This attack enables Shion to control his opponent the way he like, and if the opponent was hit by it he will not regain their senses unless they kill someone. Usin this attack allows Shion to hit the brain of the opponents and destroy the nervous system and paralyzing the opponent body.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/e263/andromeda13/SSEG/Volume%2003//Chapter%2013/260.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/e263/andromeda13/SSEG/Volume%2003//Chapter%2013/261.jpg

It’s a curse, not a psychic or magic attack. It places the opponent under its spell.
Resist its spell follows up with two negative consequences.
Temporary paralyses.
Extreme amount of pain feeded directly to the brain.

[EvilMoogle]

Chain Contingency is instant cast.
Theres half a dozen spells that would cancel the speed advantage, and other abilities that Shion would not be able to defend against.
Chain Contingency's affect is an instant, yes. However his "normal" contingancy is to teleport him back to his tower and ressurect himself if he is killed. However if he is killed, he's already lost the fight.

He could change his contingency for something more useful, however that would require preptime before the fight to do (or precious time at the start of the fight).

The reason why the DND world 'may' appear to be too slow, is there isn't any dumbass lightspeed physics breaking characters there. But some of the spells are instant etc.
I still think moving @ lightspeed in an atmosphere would likely permanantly damage the planet.
*shrug* Speedblitzing is a very valid tactic. "Fair" or not. Elminsster has to speak to cast spells, even the shortest spells take seconds to cast. Against a character that can move at the speed of light that's forever.

Even if we grant that Elminster has Stoneskin or other protections up at the start of the fight (which would be preptime), they'd still get hammered off before Elminster even knows the fight has started.

[Vynjira]

*shrug* Speedblitzing is a very valid tactic. "Fair" or not.Not in a tournament that bars lightspeed, or for that matter bloodlust.Elminsster has to speak to cast spells, even the shortest spells take seconds to cast. Against a character that can move at the speed of light that's forever.Or he has to wait for his turn, seriously tho the act is instantanious lightspeed or not the precedence is of his powers as their are in his world. In D&D its a free action which requires no time at all. Instant Spell > Lightspeed. Free action > Activating an ability.

Even if we grant that Elminster has Stoneskin or other protections up at the start of the fight (which would be preptime), they'd still get hammered off before Elminster even knows the fight has started.Not sure what the rules and definitions of what is allowed for prep time. One could argue that since as per the Nature of D&D he has the prep time normally aloted any D&D Mage that has to memorise spells they want to use for that day, with the exception of their set spells.

[EvilMoogle]

Not in a tournament that bars lightspeed, or for that matter bloodlust.Or he has to wait for his turn, seriously tho the act is instantanious lightspeed or not the precedence is of his powers as their are in his world. In D&D its a free action which requires no time at all. Instant Spell > Lightspeed. Free action > Activating an ability.
Tournament bars above lightspeed. Which I would argue the gold saints are. But assuming Id's team stands as is, Elminster will lose his battle.

That aside, rules mechanic are a poor argument. Elminster as depected in any of his books clearly has to speak to cast spells. Speaking takes time, the fact that 3rd edition AD&D rules are whacked doesn't matter. Ed Greenwood's books are canon for Elminster.

Not sure what the rules and definitions of what is allowed for prep time. One could argue that since as per the Nature of D&D he has the prep time normally aloted any D&D Mage that has to memorise spells they want to use for that day, with the exception of their set spells.

The logic I was using for Teflon Billy was he knows he's going into a tournament, and would choose his spells based on that. I also assume that he would have recovery-time to re-memorize spells used in previous rounds. This seems more in the lines of "recovery" than "prep time."

However, he wouldn't be able to select the spells he memorized to tailor to a specific opponent, nor would he be able to cast spells before the match, that would fall into the realm of "prep time" IMO.

[Id]

Rules:

1] Teams of 5 fighters compete in a tournament in which fights are usually fought one on one, with the team that wins 3 of 5 matches victorious. You can select Five characters to be on your team.
2] You can select two or more characters from the same series. But it would be wonderful if you didn't.
3] You cannot use a character that is already in use. Therefore, it's a first come, first serve kind of selection.
3] No Gods, Supreme Beings, Cosmic Entities, deities are allowed.
4] No beings that can solo Universes in one hit, destroy Solar systems or vaporise suns allowed.
5] All Speedforce users are banned from this fight, any one faster than the speed of light is also banned from this fight.
6] Planet busting is the power curve.


No theme!! You can use characters from any medium.


PIS. Plot Device or Luck is only allowed if it truly, literally applies to some aspect of the character, rather than just being the by-product of PIS.

Fights have no prep time and fighters have absolutely no knowledge of the other teams they fight.

If you're interested, use this thread to sign up your team.

And, please, remember to say what series your characters come from and, if possible, information for the characters you pick.



Format credit to EevilJ

In Saint Seiya the only character to have bin mentioned being faster then light is Saga of Gemini. (Classic manga)
Unfortunately I did not draft him to my team to avoid using to many characters from one Universe.

[Crimson King]

Shion vs Elminster

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Shaka vs Rand al' Thor

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Shaman X-Man vs Khayman

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Aka no Ou, Sendai vs NIcci

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Aka no Ou either spams blood soldiers, nukes the whole area, or plain speedblitzes.


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Id vs Raistlin Majere

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Ow


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[Thanatos]

Crimson, the voting on this round is finished. Id already one.