Who could beat (hypothetical One Piece character)?

[Endless Mike]

Okay, assume in One Piece that there was a logia fruit that allowed the one who ate it to transform into and control gravitational singularities, aka black holes.

How tough would he/she be?

[blacklusterseph004]

I can't think of how such a thing would manifest (you seem to have a thing for black holes). Does this person control actual black holes that float around? I assume then the ability controls the gravitational field as well?

Kira from Bleach does weight manipulation, and there is a lvl 3 Akuma from D. Grayman that can make a person or object experience much greater gravity. I assume though that you mentioned black holes so they could act as a shield in some way? Can't you give more info on what you have in mind?

[Yak]

is this a miniature version of a black hole or an actual black hole like you could find them in space? If the latter then only something night-omnipotent would probably have a chance to overcome that, or something that travels faster than light...

[Tsuuga]

He also mentions that this character has a logia ability... so he/she can become a blackhole as well.

Is he/she immune to water (when submerged) and seastone, if he/she can instantly create a blackhole or become one?

[Endless Mike]

The idea I'm thinking of is that he/she can transform into a black hole and back at will, also create them and manipulate them (move them around, make them larger and smaller, etc.)

This character would be pretty much immune to the water weakness since any water that got near would be sucked into the singularity.

Oh and these are real black holes, so this character could easily destroy the earth or even the sun.

[Yak]

The idea I'm thinking of is that he/she can transform into a black hole and back at will, also create them and manipulate them (move them around, make them larger and smaller, etc.)

This character would be pretty much immune to the water weakness since any water that got near would be sucked into the singularity.

Oh and these are real black holes, so this character could easily destroy the earth or even the sun.

I think water would be the last thing such a logia user would have to worry about :/ Overkill, really. I could imagine someone from the Bastard!!-verse taking this person on or someone from Saint Seiya...

[omg laser pew pew!]

Luffy will still somehow win

[HugeGuy]

If someone throw seastones towards this black hole, wouldn't it negates all his/her DF power since strictly speaking he/she has come into contact with the seastones.

[Endless Mike]

If someone throw seastones towards this black hole, wouldn't it negates all his/her DF power since strictly speaking he/she has come into contact with the seastones.

I doubt it, since as soon as they even got close, the gravity would tear them apart into their base molecules/atoms, and they would no longer have their special property.

[HugeGuy]

I doubt it, since as soon as they even got close, the gravity would tear them apart into their base molecules/atoms, and they would no longer have their special property.

Wow, he/she is more broken than Aokiji. Even seastones can't harm him/her.

Reality warpers ftw then.

EDIT: I wonder if Orihime can reject him/her. Of course, this is assuming she can create a large enough barrier and even then there are still alot of circumstances to be met.

[omg laser pew pew!]

I doubt it, since as soon as they even got close, the gravity would tear them apart into their base molecules/atoms, and they would no longer have their special property.

And since when did One Piece follow the laws of science?

[Endless Mike]

Well this is just a hypothetical.

[omg laser pew pew!]

While yes you are indeed most correct on what would happen in a theoretical situation, once you factor in One Piece science everything goes flying out the window

[HugeGuy]

While yes you are indeed most correct on what would happen in a theoretical situation, once you factor in One Piece science everything goes flying out the window

This is just a hypothetical character. Since OP has never shown any black holes, we're forced to base the black hole's properties on real ones.

The only argument I can conjure is that since this black hole is DF's creation and seastones are it's natural enemy, they are therefore immune to the black hole and all it's properties. But I doubt it myself since Aokiji can freeze the sea and sea is also DF's natural enemy.

PS: If Orihime can't do it, then send in Suzumiya Haruhi.

[blacklusterseph004]

Well, I guess this would be a pretty broken and rather boring character. Also, the immunity to seawater somewhat breaks the OP universe laws. Without a catch, there is no point really. Why would you want such a character in the OP universe specifically? Such a character would be more suitably placed elswhere.

[Giovanni Rild]

Send the abomination to DC or Marvel

[Superrazien]

Okay, assume in One Piece that there was a logia fruit that allowed the one who ate it to transform into and control gravitational singularities, aka black holes.

How tough would he/she be?

Who knows that person could be Blackbeard after all he does have the Darkness Logia fruit and hasnt shown abilites yet.

[Sasori]

MacGyver could do it :nod

[Keollyn]

What about characters that can enter this character safely? Could they, theoretically, destroy him/her from the inside?

[Endless Mike]

Depends.... anyway the idea wasn't to put this character in the OPverse, but to have this character fight anyone from any universe that could beat it.

[kenpachibankai]

I'd think that the poor dude would destroy himself and all of OP-Verse upon transforming...I mean in order to become a black hole the guy would have to force his own body into singularity. He'd die!

[HugeGuy]

This isn't a hypothetical thread anymore.:oh

[Locard]

^ Indeed.
ATTENTION PEOPLE. Blackbeard , the logia of darkness can create BLACK HOLES.

(And pwned Luffy's bro)

[kenpachibankai]

This isn't a hypothetical thread anymore.:oh

Well it was a dead thread before...But seriously I can't find any theory in any field of Physics that would allow for someone to survive having their own body forced into singularity.

[Yak]

Eh, it isn't really a black hole in the physical sense of speaking or else BB would've sucked up literally ANYTHING around him. Including all light.

[King Bookah]

The irony of this thread, wow. I wonder if Mike knows Oda?

In about a day or to, be prepared to have the OB SPAMMED with Blackbeard. Expect 100+ threads with Blackbeard involved. Also expect, "Blackberad teh winz cuz he iz teh blak hole and darnezz"

[Yak]

The irony of this thread, wow. I wonder if Mike knows Oda?

In about a day or to, be prepared to have the OB SPAMMED with Blackbeard. Expect 100+ threads with Blackbeard involved. Also expect, "Blackberad teh winz cuz he iz teh blak hole and darnezz"

'greed. My sentiments exactly, I felt that coming once I saw that BB spoiler.:notrust

[HugeGuy]

The irony of this thread, wow. I wonder if Mike knows Oda?
Mike is Oda. I'm telling you there's a conspiracy.:ninja

[tanukibeast]

Eh, it isn't really a black hole in the physical sense of speaking or else BB would've sucked up literally ANYTHING around him. Including all light.

Well, he didn't really transform into it. He just controlled gravity in short spurts.

[MdB]

The irony of this thread, wow. I wonder if Mike knows Oda?

In about a day or to, be prepared to have the OB SPAMMED with Blackbeard. Expect 100+ threads with Blackbeard involved. Also expect, "Blackberad teh winz cuz he iz teh blak hole and darnezz"

And what is so bad about it? isn't it the purpose of the OB to put fictional characters against each other...?

You can expect the same thing when we see other major villains fight from other shounens.

[Endless Mike]

Mike is Oda. I'm telling you there's a conspiracy.:ninja

No I'm not.

Or is that just what I want you to think?

[Limit_Tester]

Eh, it isn't really a black hole in the physical sense of speaking or else BB would've sucked up literally ANYTHING around him. Including all light.

Blackbeard: The darkness is gravity!!! The power to pull everything in! The endless gravity that won’t let even light escape!

I think he might be able to transform completely into a black hole. He is just inexperienced at the moment.

[Violent Man]

Oh God please don't tell me this is based on a spoiler that I have been trying to avoid since it came out.

[Limit_Tester]

Theres a chance its fake.

[Code]

Eh, it isn't really a black hole in the physical sense of speaking or else BB would've sucked up literally ANYTHING around him. Including all light.
Well he did say that potentially light can't even escape, judging by the script, he said that he won't go after Ace yet, and then sucked in the entire city they were battling in. So likely he has some degree of control where he may probably choose where the gravitational pull is the largest, and he's probably still too inexperienced to use it to it's maximum potential at the moment.

[Limit_Tester]

Also, the massive gravitational pull that people usually associate with black holes is only present once you pass the event horizon. Outside the event horizon their gravity is merely proportional to the mass of the black hole. Contrary to popular belief a black hole could be opened in the earth's atmosphere( a small one) and it could be completely stable, without harm to the planet itself. And Code is right. If Blackbeard truly is the Gravity Logia, he would have complete control over how much he sucks in and what he doesn't. Granted at the moment he is inexperienced with his DF ability.

[kenpachibankai]

Also, the massive gravitational pull that people usually associate with black holes is only present once you pass the event horizon. Outside the event horizon their gravity is merely proportional to the mass of the black hole. Contrary to popular belief a black hole could be opened in the earth's atmosphere( a small one) and it could be completely stable, without harm to the planet itself. And Code is right. If Blackbeard truly is the Gravity Logia, he would have complete control over how much he sucks in and what he doesn't. Granted at the moment he is inexperienced with his DF ability.

I just had to quote this! That's how awesome it is! Good job man! You rule Limit Tester!:thumbs

[Endless Mike]

Actually, if it appeared in the atmosphere, we would be screwed.

Because if it was small enough, it would detonate soon, and create a huge explosion that would severely damage the earth.

Or if it was large enough, it would fall to earth, fall right through the earth and out the other side, then back again over and over turning the earth into swiss cheese until it finally came to rest at the center of the earth and eventually sucked in the rest of the earth.

[kenpachibankai]

Actually, if it appeared in the atmosphere, we would be screwed.

Because if it was small enough, it would detonate soon, and create a huge explosion that would severely damage the earth.

Or if it was large enough, it would fall to earth, fall right through the earth and out the other side, then back again over and over turning the earth into swiss cheese until it finally came to rest at the center of the earth and eventually sucked in the rest of the earth.

Yeah....But I still want to know how he would survive forcing his own body into singularity...let alone return it to normal...

[Limit_Tester]

Its magic. Thats how.

[Yak]

Yeah....But I still want to know how he would survive forcing his own body into singularity...let alone return it to normal...

Yeah, that was my point earlier, it is by no means a black hole in the astronomic sense. Plus, his power really isn't that amazing compared to other shonen manga, Get Backers has alone three guys who can do the exact same thing by only swinging their weapons or making a step. Black Beard's power (provided it doesn't expand exorbitantly) is still beatable.

[HugeGuy]

It was said Blackbeard destroyed a country in a blink of an eye. I guess now we know how.

[Yak]

It was said Blackbeard destroyed a country in a blink of an eye. I guess now we know how.

Wow. That surely is impressive. I hope this won't turn the OB into a pile of shit with some idiots running around that BB is unbeatable because he can suck up anything anytime and he can't be harmed because he is a logia ~__~

[HugeGuy]

Wow. That surely is impressive. I hope this won't turn the OB into a pile of shit with some idiots running around that BB is unbeatable because he can suck up anything anytime and he can't be harmed because he is a logia ~__~

I believed the said country was Drum Island. Blackbeard and his crew inflicted nationwide destruction in a blink of an eye. Of course, the term "in a blink of an eye" is debatable.

And I believe for the first few weeks, BB will be treated as unbeatable because of the hype. Flaming and insults will ensue. Then after that everything cools down and we will see more moderate discussions.

[Yak]

I believed the said country was Drum Island. Blackbeard and his crew inflicted nationwide destruction in a blink of an eye. Of course, the term "in a blink of an eye" is debatable.

And I believe for the first few weeks, BB will be treated as unbeatable because of the hype. Flaming and insults will ensue. Then after that everything cools down and we will see more moderate discussions.

Hm, one thing I wonder, though: Enel was beaten by Luffy because Luffy's a rubberman (no ordinary rubber, to word some of the One Piece readers). Now, Enel is a logia, Luffy isn't. So that means he either beat him because of his devil fruit powers or because of the nature of his body (rubber).

Question: Does that mean DF-users and logias are sensitive to their "antipode" or natural enemy, so to speak? It makes somewhat sense in Enel's case but in Teach's it doesn't because "light" would be the natural enemy to "darkness", yet BB can suck up all light.

I wonder how Black Beard would do against some really strong light manipulators from other shonen verses.

[HugeGuy]

I believe darkness is just for poetic purposes. It's not his true power. BB's true power is gravitation and darkness just happens to be a byproduct.

[Yak]

I believe darkness is just for poetic purposes. It's not his true power. BB's true power is gravitation and darkness just happens to be a byproduct.

Yeah, by definition of the power that's certainly true. But still, I wonder if BB could react against for example Masaki Kurusu from Get Backers (the series still has so many amazing characters left unexploited)

[HugeGuy]

What can Masaki do with his light again?

Off my head, I can remember
-confusing enemy with blinding light
-bypassing all defences with his light
-shoots out his lights like lasers.

[Endless Mike]

Or if you want to be really mean put him up against Sentry.

[Yak]

What can Masaki do with his light again?

Off my head, I can remember
-confusing enemy with blinding light
-bypassing all defences with his light
-shoots out his lights like lasers.

Yeah, that about sums it up.

-He can create light to hide in completely and fool all of the opponents senses.
-Send out light beams or waves that bypass any physical defense and damage internal organs
- create laser swords and throwing knifes (swords similar to the size and effect of Jedi lightsabres, he upgraded one of those into a gigantic two-handed blade which was bascially as tall and broad as himself).

That, plus he is pretty damn fast and strong (he was able to deal with Raitei Ginji [but not 100%] and he would've killed him if it weren't for PIS).

[HugeGuy]

Even with those powers, I can't see Masaki beating BB unless he's much much faster than him.

Btw, I haven't got until the Masaki vs Raitei part so I could have underestimate Masaki.

[Yak]

Even with those powers, I can't see Masaki beating BB unless he's much much faster than him.

Btw, I haven't got until the Masaki vs Raitei part so I could have underestimate Masaki.

Most likely depends on Teach's speed which I don't know anything of.

I'll write Masaki soon in the GB directory (once I get to my computer again). Next will be Ban, I guess, and after that the 4 Kings of the Volts.