Tyrant vs. A DBZ'er and Superman

[The Anti-Existence]

Mildly inspired by the Thanos vs. Goku + Superman topic.

Full-Power Tyrant vs. whoever is the most powerful fighter in the DBZ-Verse and the most powerful version of Superman. The one I'm thinking (I think it was 1 Million) moved a galaxy with his mind and failed to defeat...(Solaris, wasn't it?) until he got a GL Ring.

So, who wins?

[Vynjira]

Mildly inspired by the Thanos vs. Goku + Superman topic.

Full-Power Tyrant vs. whoever is the most powerful fighter in the DBZ-Verse and the most powerful version of Superman. The one I'm thinking (I think it was 1 Million) moved a galaxy with his mind and failed to defeat...(Solaris, wasn't it?) until he got a GL Ring.

So, who wins?Superman 1 million never had a GL ring, Your thinking of Prime.

[Vicious]

well ssj4 gogeta and ssj vegeto are the strongest dbz/gt character, but i dont see what they can do to tyrant? superman prime alone cant defeat tyrant.

[Sengoku]

dbz guy and superman found all the dragon balls and made a wish to become even more powerful

[Vynjira]

Superman Prime prolly could take a full powered Tyrant.. unless Tyrant has really high powered magicks at his disposal that I don't know about...

[Locard]

Full power Tyrant is only slightly less powerful than a full-powered Galactus.

I dont see Supes team winning.

[Kai]

This thread is just bait for Phenomenol, but if you're including non-canon characters like Garlic Jr who's supposedly immortal...

[The Anti-Existence]

dbz guy and superman found all the dragon balls and made a wish to become even more powerful

As Tyrant is a very, very good prep and intellectual being with tremendous resources, he probably would find the heroes instantly via energy signatures. So, Goget awould have to find and collect all the Dragonballs before Tyrant caught up with hiim.

And if Prime couldn't defeat Solaris, who seems like an Ego-level being, what is he gonna do to Tyrant? I realize Big G had problems with Ego in the past but he wasn't well-fed from what I recall. From what I have heard of Superman Prime, he lacks feats.

[Phenomenol]

Anime Dragonball Z's Vegetto or Super Buu 3 could kill Tyrant!

[Vynjira]

Um.. you realise Prime did defeat Solaris right?

EDIT: On his Emergance from the Fortress. It was Superman 1 Million who couldn't take on Solaris.

[The Anti-Existence]

Yeah, I know.

No, I mean why didn't he kick Solaris *** by himself if he can move a galaxy. The argument is that he's so powerful he can move a galaxy and thus he'd beat Tyrant but said being didn't fight Solaris with that same power set?

He needed the GL Ring to beat him, apparently.

[Vynjira]

You mean Superman 1 million?? or Prime??

The only reason Prime had the Ring was because Solaris was planning to kill Prime with Kryptonite before he could emerge from the fortress. However, this plan was thwarted by the Justice League back in the past (Consisting of Steel, Plastic Man, Big Barda, Huntress and Zauriel) destroying the kryptonite and replacing it with a Green Lantern power ring. Solaris was subsequently crushed by Superman-Prime using his newly-acquired Green Lantern ring.

Prime emerged with the Ring and killed Solaris very swiftly. I think your mixing 1 Million with Prime. Supes 1 million couldn't beat Solaris.

EDIT: Its late so excuse me if I don't understand what your trying to say.

[omg laser pew pew!]

Goku spends a year making a spirit bomb

[mystictrunks]

Hercule tanks Tyrant while Pre-Crisis supes makes an Anti-Tyrant beam

[Sengoku]

Mr. Satan's afro wins this alone :<

[The Anti-Existence]

You mean Superman 1 million?? or Prime??

The only reason Prime had the Ring was because Solaris was planning to kill Prime with Kryptonite before he could emerge from the fortress. However, this plan was thwarted by the Justice League back in the past (Consisting of Steel, Plastic Man, Big Barda, Huntress and Zauriel) destroying the kryptonite and replacing it with a Green Lantern power ring. Solaris was subsequently crushed by Superman-Prime using his newly-acquired Green Lantern ring.

Prime emerged with the Ring and killed Solaris very swiftly. I think your mixing 1 Million with Prime. Supes 1 million couldn't beat Solaris.

EDIT: Its late so excuse me if I don't understand what your trying to say.

Nah. My fault. Didn't clarify. Where that quote is from is a board where they argued that Prime could do everything 1 Million could do but better. 1,000,000 moved a galaxy with his mind, apparently. So they sayd that Prime could do that and more. What I'm trying to figure out is where Prime really ranks in power. Tyrant destroyed countless galaxies with Galactus and I want to figure out if Prime is up to that. if Prime could not have defeated Solaris on his own power, ie. without the ring, then I would say he's not on Tyrant's level. So I'm trying to get the facts.

[Id]

PC Supes with the Sword of Truth or Superman Prime might be able to take on FP Tyrant.

But I cant back up my claims because I don’t sufficient info and proff.

[Vynjira]

Super Prime was capable of doing it without the ring, the whole ring thing was to show he had it and could whield it under massive power. It was no more than a display of his ability to whield the ring.

NN for now tho.

[The Anti-Existence]

Alright. But, still, I'm trying to find his feats or quotes on his power. What was said or shown that he could do for his highest display of power?

Sleeo gppd and talk to you tomorrow. Thanks for the info.

[Vynjira]

He is the power source for everyone in the Superman Dynasty. Their power comes from him he can revoke it at will. He possess vastly superior Kryptonian abilities than displayed by any other Kryptonian. He is strong enough to punch through the time barrier, His mental abilities were enhanced but only at a Kryptonian level. He did not gain ANY of the 5th dimensional powers bestowed to his Dynasty, he doesn't possess techno-rapport (the ability to control computers), control of magnetism, genesis level intellect, super-ESP (a form of super-hypnosis), the ability to think billions of different lines of thought at the same time.

He has become nigh-indestructible, and is the Strongest/Fastest Superman that ever existed with seemingly no limits, altho he is not shielded like the dynasty is from Magic. It was unclear wether he actually had become immune to Kryptonite as the 20th Century Justice League (Consisting of Steel, Plastic Man, Big Barda, Huntress and Zauriel) destroyed the Kryptonite and replaced it with a Power Ring. However past evidence has shown that large amounts of exposure to the sun has made him immune to Kryptonite before.

[Kai]

He is the power source for everyone in the Superman Dynasty. Their power comes from him he can revoke it at will. He possess vastly superior Kryptonian abilities than displayed by any other Kryptonian. He is strong enough to punch through the time barrier, His mental abilities were enhanced but only at a Kryptonian level. He did not gain ANY of the 5th dimensional powers bestowed to his Dynasty, he doesn't possess techno-rapport (the ability to control computers), control of magnetism, genesis level intellect, super-ESP (a form of super-hypnosis), the ability to think billions of different lines of thought at the same time.

He has become nigh-indestructible, and is the Strongest/Fastest Superman that ever existed with seemingly no limits, altho he is not shielded like the dynasty is from Magic. It was unclear wether he actually had become immune to Kryptonite as the 20th Century Justice League (Consisting of Steel, Plastic Man, Big Barda, Huntress and Zauriel) destroyed the Kryptonite and replaced it with a Power Ring. However past evidence has shown that large amounts of exposure to the sun has made him immune to Kryptonite before.

I thought he was immune to Kryptonite because he came from Earth-Prime?

[Vynjira]

I thought he was immune to Kryptonite because he came from Earth-Prime?

He should be immune to Kryptonite. The ONLY reason to question it, is Solaris planned to kill him with Kryptonite and the 20th Century JL destroyed it. This really doesn't mean much except they believed it would work. There is a high probability it wouldn't have. Especially with past precedence. That and Kryptonite was never insta-kill to Supes, so I dunno why Solaris would attempt that especially seeing as he is in the Sun to begin with... The sun would heal him anyway. So it kinda just proves Solaris wasn't that smart.

[Comic Book Guy]

Which Superman Prime are you talking about?

Pre-Crisis or post-Crisis? (Infinite Crisis, to be specific).

Post-Infinite Crisis, DC One Million has been moved to All-Star Superman continuity.

Post-IC Superman Prime is the future, thousands of sun-dipped years, GL Ring wielding, millenia of experienced modern Pre-Crisis Superman.

[Vynjira]

Which Superman Prime are you talking about?

Pre-Crisis or post-Crisis? (Infinite Crisis, to be specific).

Post-Infinite Crisis, DC One Million has been moved to All-Star Superman continuity.

Post-IC Superman Prime is the future, thousands of sun-dipped years, GL Ring wielding, millenia of experienced modern Pre-Crisis Superman.He is the power source for everyone in the Superman Dynasty. It was unclear wether he actually had become immune to Kryptonite as the 20th Century Justice League (Consisting of Steel, Plastic Man, Big Barda, Huntress and Zauriel) destroyed the Kryptonite and replaced it with a Power Ring. However past evidence has shown that large amounts of exposure to the sun has made him immune to Kryptonite before.Does that explain better? Either way the OP said strongest incarnation of Superman.

[The Anti-Existence]

Well, feats are the thing. All that time in the Sun could have given him a super-duper-uber boost in strength but the exact level of it is shown in quotes or in action. We know Full-Power Tyrant gave Galactus his biggest ever fight (if Tyrant had never existed, Big G would be insulted x10 more than he is now...which is saying something) and galaxies were being destroyed. What did the latter version of Superman Prime do comparable to that? Not saying he didn't do anything comparable but just wondering. Like I asked, what would be said of his power in the comics or shown of his power?

[Vynjira]

Well, feats are the thing. All that time in the Sun could have given him a super-duper-uber boost in strength but the exact level of it is shown in quotes or in action. We know Full-Power Tyrant gave Galactus his biggest ever fight (if Tyrant had never existed, Big G would be insulted x10 more than he is now...which is saying something) and galaxies were being destroyed. What did the latter version of Superman Prime do comparable to that? Not saying he didn't do anything comparable but just wondering. Like I asked, what would be said of his power in the comics or shown of his power?His showings were very limited as noone in the DCU could touch him or challenge him. He had no rival in terms of power and was considered a god.

[The Anti-Existence]

Then it's pretty difficult to guage how he ranks with Tyrant. I won't say Tyrant blinks and he's dead, but until I get some evidence to the contrary, I will say Tyrant beats him in a majority.

Oh and we're forgetting whoever is the most powerful DBZ'er...if they mean anything.

[Vynjira]

Then it's pretty difficult to guage how he ranks with Tyrant. I won't say Tyrant blinks and he's dead, but until I get some evidence to the contrary, I will say Tyrant beats him in a majority.

Oh and we're forgetting whoever is the most powerful DBZ'er...if they mean anything.Because honestly Prime should beat Tyrant by himself.

[Orion]

i believe supes one million's power comes from supes prime if i remember right and supes one million was holding a galaxy up with his thoughts and shit so preety much him+more.

[Vynjira]

i believe supes one million's power comes from supes prime if i remember right and supes one million was holding a galaxy up with his thoughts and shit so preety much him+more.

The entire Dynasty's power came from Supes Prime.

[The Anti-Existence]

Superman 1 Million had Imp blood from what I read. It is completely possible that his ability to move a galaxy with his mind was from the Imp blood.

And why should Supes Prime beat him? All you have are is various estimates of his power resulting from facts presented to you. There is no quotation or demonstration of power beyond that of Tyrant. You can guess and theorize and speculate all day on what centuries of sun-dipping did to his abilities, but unless it is shown or stated or anything of that nature, it is only a fan's interpretation and nothing more.

[omg laser pew pew!]

Well, feats are the thing. All that time in the Sun could have given him a super-duper-uber boost in strength but the exact level of it is shown in quotes or in action. We know Full-Power Tyrant gave Galactus his biggest ever fight (if Tyrant had never existed, Big G would be insulted x10 more than he is now...which is saying something) and galaxies were being destroyed. What did the latter version of Superman Prime do comparable to that? Not saying he didn't do anything comparable but just wondering. Like I asked, what would be said of his power in the comics or shown of his power?

I think Thanos with Hotu/Infinity Gauntlet gave a bigger fight. So big G didn't win

[The Anti-Existence]

Well, tell me which sounds more impressive to people who need educating on Galactus' strength.

Yeah, Galactus fought against this guy who had complete control of the universe.... Suere he failed but he tried.

Or

Yeah, Galactus was in a fight once with a being known as Tyrant and the two were wiping out countless galaxies as a side-effect.

Which one sounds more impressive, really?

[Vynjira]

Superman 1 Million had Imp blood from what I read. It is completely possible that his ability to move a galaxy with his mind was from the Imp blood.The Imp Blood gave an immunity to magic as well as several non-kryptonian abilities as I listed already.

And why should Supes Prime beat him? All you have are is various estimates of his power resulting from facts presented to you. There is no quotation or demonstration of power beyond that of Tyrant.Because this is the accumalation of every Superman that has ever existed which puts him above any showing he's ever had. Which puts his Strength above 200 quintilitions, Speed multiples of light, ability to punch thru time/space barrier, ability to ignite supernova with his heat vision, immunity to kryptonite, and nigh indestructibility. Then the power ring for show. This alone puts him above Tyrant and these would be primes minimal showings.

You can guess and theorize and speculate all day on what centuries of sun-dipping did to his abilities, but unless it is shown or stated or anything of that nature, it is only a fan's interpretation and nothing more.Anything above that is purely speculation but those abilities right there seem more than enough. The other fact we do know is he powers an entire race of Kryptonians in this future.

[mystictrunks]

I don't think the power ring is for show. I'm trying to remember if it was PC or not but wasn't Kal-El chosen to be GL of earth but Hal Jordan got the ring necause he was closer o Abin Sur's landing spot?

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Yeah, Galactus was in a fight once with a being known as Tyrant and the two were wiping out countless galaxies as a side-effect.

You overrate Tyrant far far too much

Since when did their fight actually destroy galaxies?

[The Anti-Existence]

Because this is the accumalation of every Superman that has ever existed which puts him above any showing he's ever had. Which puts his Strength above 200 quintilitions, Speed multiples of light, ability to punch thru time/space barrier, ability to ignite supernova with his heat vision, immunity to kryptonite, and nigh indestructibility. Then the power ring for show. This alone puts him above Tyrant and these would be primes minimal showings.

Aha. Well, that’s cool. Tell me when a weaker Superman also destroyed galaxies so Prime can destroy the universe. Until some version of Superman does something on par with destroying galaxies, then Prime has a chance.

You overrate Tyrant far far too much

Since when did their fight actually destroy galaxies?

How is it overrated? Me, most people on other boards, articles on him, all that credits him with destroying countless galaxies in his fight with Galactus. It seems to be YOU and only YOU who thinks he did not.

I read that their fight was actually shown in an issue. Probably not in its wholeness, but it was shown. I really gotta find all the issues with Tyrant...Christmas is coming up so I can probably get some money and buy them. Hoorah.

[Endless Mike]

Full - power Tyrant?

As in, the one that was tearing up the universe and annihilating galaxies just as a side - effect of his fight?

Ouch, poor Supes and whoever the other unlucky shmuck is that is on his team.

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How is it overrated? Me, most people on other boards, articles on him, all that credits him with destroying countless galaxies in his fight with Galactus. It seems to be YOU and only YOU who thinks he did not.

Read my post carefully, I never said that the fight didn't destroy galaxies. I said their enmity didn't destroy galaxies

[BRANCHEAD33]

Full power Tyrant is only slightly less powerful than a full-powered Galactus.

I dont see Supes team winning.

What you ae saying is true but the only reason supes can not beat galactus is because some say that if you hit him you will die because of all his energy that makes him up. Thats all.

if tyrant is not as strong as galactus and is not made of pure energy against prime supes I do not see tyrant standing a chance and with the gl ring!?

and SSJ4 Gogeta is there for comical relief.

[The Anti-Existence]

ead my post carefully, I never said that the fight didn't destroy galaxies. I said their enmity didn't destroy galaxies

...if you say so. *shrugs*

What you ae saying is true but the only reason supes can not beat galactus is because some say that if you hit him you will die because of all his energy that makes him up. Thats all.

Wait...what? I would say the reason people say Superman can’t beat Galactus is because Galactus could simply EAT him. Galactus has eaten a Celestial in an alternate universe and sorry, Superman at no level is on par with a Celestial. Superman 1 Million moved a galaxy with his mind. Prime is better than that. Goodie. Galactus has teleported multiple galaxies around. He can travel through dimensions to escape things such as the Ultimate Nullifier exploding. Galactus is...Galactus. That is the reason Superman has no chance in Hell.

if tyrant is not as strong as galactus and is not made of pure energy against prime supes I do not see tyrant standing a chance and with the gl ring!?

Once ANY version of Superman wipes out galaxies, let me know. You can speculate and theorize all day long but it’s nothing more than that. Feats and actual displays of his power are what is needed here and PC Superman, Allstars Supes, Supes 1 Million and Prime haven’t destroyed so much as one galaxy on their own, let alone countless ones.

and SSJ4 Gogeta is there for comical relief.

We agree upon something.

[Comic Book Guy]

Regarding the Galactus eating a Celestial. . . if you're referring the the Earth X universe, that was Franklin Richards as Galactus.

In addition, not all the Galacti of each universe are of equal power.

[The Anti-Existence]

Well, that may be true, but I don't see why 616 would be incapable of devouring one. Difference in power levels depending on the reality sure, but eating a Celestial is just Galactus' basic nature to consume massive forms of energy to sustain himself.

It was the Dreaming Celestial if that helps find which reality it was.

[BRANCHEAD33]

Wait...what? I would say the reason people say Superman can’t beat Galactus is because Galactus could simply EAT him. Galactus has eaten a Celestial in an alternate universe and sorry, Superman at no level is on par with a Celestial. Superman 1 Million moved a galaxy with his mind. Prime is better than that. Goodie. Galactus has teleported multiple galaxies around. He can travel through dimensions to escape things such as the Ultimate Nullifier exploding. Galactus is...Galactus. That is the reason Superman has no chance in Hell.


Once ANY version of Superman wipes out galaxies, let me know. You can speculate and theorize all day long but it’s nothing more than that. Feats and actual displays of his power are what is needed here and PC Superman, Allstars Supes, Supes 1 Million and Prime haven’t destroyed so much as one galaxy on their own, let alone countless ones.




Galactus is made of pure energy so that means no one can punch him dead. If Supes physical strength was turned into cosmic energy just like galactus then i do not think galactus would win

Why would supes want to destroy a galaxie last time I checked supes gave a shit about things. Allright it is time you learned about something. If the person you are saying will lose does not have galaxy exploding attacks does not mean they are weak.

[Xell]

Goku spends a year making a spirit bomb

ur wel funni

[Vynjira]

Well, that may be true, but I don't see why 616 would be incapable of devouring one.Because no Galactus ever at a Celestial it was Franklin Richards. eating a Celestial is just Galactus' basic nature to consume massive forms of energy to sustain himself.Only Franklin Richards ate the Celestial not Galactus. That whole incident happend after their Galactus was killed. Franklin Richards took over Galactus' position in that world.Aha. Well, that’s cool. Tell me when a weaker Superman also destroyed galaxies so Prime can destroy the universe. Until some version of Superman does something on par with destroying galaxies, then Prime has a chance.He'll do it next time he becomes evil... Are you serious? When would Superman do that even IF he had the power, However I could mention the time one of his sneezes messed with another Galaxy...

[The Anti-Existence]

Why would supes want to destroy a galaxie last time I checked supes gave a shit about things. Allright it is time you learned about something. If the person you are saying will lose does not have galaxy exploding attacks does not mean they are weak.

I did not say he was weak. I already admitted that Tyrant would not have an exactly easy time with Prime but I don’t see a reason to suggest he would lose.

Only Franklin Richards ate the Celestial not Galactus. That whole incident happend after their Galactus was killed. Franklin Richards took over Galactus' position in that world.

You do realize Frankie had BECOME Galactus, right? He wasn’t doing anything 616 Big G hasn’t doen by any means.

He'll do it next time he becomes evil... Are you serious? When would Superman do that even IF he had the power, However I could mention the time one of his sneezes messed with another Galaxy...

If you’re being serious, that’s pretty interesting. What exactly did it do to the galaxy? :)

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In addition, not all the Galacti of each universe are of equal power.

I think the Zombies or the latest Exiles Galactus could be taken down by a Z Fighter

[Vynjira]

You do realize Frankie had BECOME Galactus, right? He wasn’t doing anything 616 Big G hasn’t doen by any means.
In the Galactus: The Devourer limited, Galactus — starving to death due to his addiction to the life forces of living beings which offer him no sustenance — was seemingly killed after a battle against the united forces of the Silver Surfer, Avengers, Fantastic Four, Jean Grey, Starjammers, the Shi'ar Empire and an armada of other united planets (including even a Kree starship) when his own Elemental Converter was turned against him. He died with an ominous warning that his death would allow a great evil to surface. After his death, Galactus' true form was revealed, that of a sentient star.

That great evil emerged in Fantastic Four Annual 2001 in the form of Abraxas, the universal embodiment of destruction and the antithesis of Eternity. It was revealed that most of the energy that Galactus takes from planets was devoted to keeping him imprisoned. If released, Abraxas would eventually destroy the entire multiverse. Abraxas was defeated only after it was revealed in Fantastic Four (vol. 2) #49 (vol. 1) #478; January 2002) that Galactus was not truly dead but in his incorporeal star form he would be forever unable to rein in his energies and reclaim form. Franklin Richards and Valeria Von Doom pooled their vast, Celestial-level powers and reconstituted Galactus, but permanently burned out their powers in the revival. Once reconstituted, Galactus easily reclaimed the Ultimate Nullifier from Abraxas and Reed Richards used it to remake the multiverse into one in which Abraxas never escaped. It was in this issue that the Ultimate Nullifier was revealed to be an aspect of Galactus himself.
Galactus also appears in the non-canon Earth X series. In Earth X Galactus was one of the three essential entities in the universe as he kept the Celestials in check. By destroying planets, which were really "eggs" of the Celestials, he prevented the Celestials from overpopulating the universe. In its previous incarnation, the universe was brought to a premature end by the overpopulation of Celestials.

Franklin takes Galactus' armor and, entering the third stage of his evolution, takes over as Galactus himself. As Galactus, Franklin Richards saves the Earth by consuming the Celestial growing inside. He reveals himself to his father, Reed, before leaving the Earth, stating he will never return. At the end of the story, Reed, after gaining the cosmic consciousness, states his first task will be to save his son.To note, Franklin at that point coulda snuffed 616 Galactus.

If you’re being serious, that’s pretty interesting.
In February 1961, Superman finds himself forced to give vent to a super-sneeze that literally destroys an entire distant solar system.

[The Anti-Existence]

Well, Superman did some crazy crap. :) I didn't know. It should happen!

[Vynjira]

Well, Superman did some crazy crap. :) I didn't know. It should happen!
What should happen?

[The Anti-Existence]

His solar system-destroying super-sneeze.

I'm curious, though. The GL Ring...when does it run out of energy? And is what I heard about it (it can do anything the wearer imagines) true?

[Vynjira]

His solar system-destroying super-sneeze.

I'm curious, though. The GL Ring...when does it run out of energy? And is what I heard about it (it can do anything the wearer imagines) true?It power is dependant soley on the user's willpower and its abilities are only limited to the user's imagination/understanding of the universe. It can be recharged if it does run low on power. Originally, they required recharging every 24 hours.