Spider-man vs. Kakashi

[Rock-Lee]

This is a tough one... I would say it would be a tie.... kakashi has his sharingan and jutsu's while spidey has his intelligence and his spider powers.... who would win?
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[Nice Gai]

Spiderman wins no doubt. But to be fair do you have a battlefield?

[Art of Run]

This is some large rape. Spidy in a curbstomp.

[Locard]

Spider sense > sharingan

Spidey will knock Kakashi unconscious before he can react.

[Terryc250]

I say Kakashi, wuts so great about Spiderman? He can cling to walls and shoot webbings? Kakashi can run up walls and shiet too, and can shoot more then webbings, he knows thousands of jutsus, plus his sharingan can read spideys movements and predict them, i say a raikiri to the chest will do it

[Orion]

spidey sense is better then sharingan not to mention one punch from spidey will ko or possibly kill kakashi.not to mention if kakashi gets hit with some web its good game cause he cant break it.

[Kai]

I say Kakashi, wuts so great about Spiderman? He can cling to walls and shoot webbings? Kakashi can run up walls and shiet too, and can shoot more then webbings, he knows thousands of jutsus, plus his sharingan can read spideys movements and predict them, i say a raikiri to the chest will do it

Nah, that little electrical spark can't catch Spidey, you silly boy.

Strength - Spidey
Speed - Spidey
Skill - Spidey


Kakashi goes home on the horse he rode on :)

[Seany]

This is total rape.

[Locard]

I say Kakashi, wuts so great about Spiderman?
- The fact that he's faster, way stronger, with way more stamina and way more agile than Kakashi
- His spider sense makes him untouchable
- His webs are stronger than steel cable
- He can lift several tons and rip Kakashi's skull with one hit if he wants to.

? Kakashi can run up walls and shiet too, and can shoot more then webbings
Yeah, what can he shoot? Kunais?
Spiderman has survived rains of bullets thanks to his spider sense
Nor to mention any weapon Kakashi can pull could be rendered useless by the webs.

he knows thousands of jutsus, plus his sharingan can read spideys movements and predict them, i say a raikiri to the chest will do it
Spider sense > sharingan
Oh, and unlike Kakashi , this ability doesn't drain Spidey at all.

[Endless Mike]

Well if this is movie Spidey (which it could be due to the picture in the OP) then Kakashi might have a good chance to win.

Comic Spidey however wins easily.

[Terryc250]

- The fact that he's faster, way stronger, with way more stamina and way more agile than Kakashi
- His spider sense makes him untouchable
- His webs are stronger than steel cable
- He can lift several tons and rip Kakashi's skull with one hit if he wants to.


Yeah, what can he shoot? Kunais?
Spiderman has survived rains of bullets thanks to his spider sense
Nor to mention any weapon Kakashi can pull could be rendered useless by the webs.

Spider sense > sharingan
Oh, and unlike Kakashi , this ability doesn't drain Spidey at all.

Kunais? Kakashi can shoot fire, he can summon huge whales that can destroy a mountain, etc he knows thousands of jutsus

anyways, MS > Spidey sense

he can always teleport spiderman into another dimension

[Khamzul]

^Well for one, the Whales was filler and never really happened in the manga.

He could have teleported spidey into another dimension - but the problem is that in the comics Spiderman has his "spidersence" so developed that he would be warned the second Kakashi thought of doing it. There are examples (as those who know more about spidey than me have showed me) where he is warned when an enemy enters the planet he is staying on.

Furthermore he is just to fast for Kakashi to follow in the comics, and Kakashi got no defence against his webs if he gets his hands pinned.

So while I think that movies version Spiderman might lose this - Comics Spiderman wins this without much problem.

[Thanatos]

Kunais? Kakashi can shoot fire, he can summon huge whales that can destroy a mountain, etc he knows thousands of jutsus

anyways, MS > Spidey sense

he can always teleport spiderman into another dimension

Ignoring the fact that the whale technique was non-canon (1st movie if it's what I'm thinking of), he pulled it off using sharingan to copy someone else performing the technique.

Meaning: he does not know the technique himself.

[warrior1000]

Kakashi ms's spidey, how can his senses protect him against that?

[Dr.Douchebag]

Kunais? Kakashi can shoot fire, he can summon huge whales that can destroy a mountain, etc he knows thousands of jutsus

anyways, MS > Spidey sense

he can always teleport spiderman into another dimension

provided spidey doesnt web his eye or if kakashi can even catch spidey in his ms.

[Iris]

Spiderman takes this.

[Endless Mike]

Honestly, Kakashi barely hit the arm of a guy moving really slowly in a straight line.

How is he going to hit someone precognitive who can react faster than sound and dodge machine - gun fire easily?

[Kai]

Kunais? Kakashi can shoot fire, he can summon huge whales that can destroy a mountain, etc he knows thousands of jutsus
Um, correction. A thousand jutsus. Not thousands of jutsus.
What about kunais? He's going to kill Spidey with a knife?
Whale was non-canon, or else he probably would have summoned it on many occasions.

anyways, MS > Spidey sense
Yet, Kakashi states it takes a while to activate. Spidey sense is always around Spidey.

he can always teleport spiderman into another dimension

Yep, it's that easy. Spidey will just stand there while Kakashi takes a couple minutes to activate his MS.

[Orion]

spideys punch would probably litteraly implode kakashi's head on impact,not to mention his webs wont be broken he has good enough speed and spidey sense to dodge automatic gunfire,i just dont see any way of kakashi taking this,if he tries ms hes really dead because he isnt very accurate with it yet,and not to mention spidey isnt going to stand still for it lol.

[Iris]

Yes if he tries MS he'll only fuck himself.

Spidey will dogde it and Kakashi's chakra would go nearly empty.

Spider takes this fight easy, 1-2 hits and Kakashi is down.

[Spy_Smasher]

Well, we see in 334 that Kakashi can take a pretty strong physical attack without losing much more than his vest. Also, how vulnerable is Spidey to the Genjutsu capabilities of the Sharingan? The hypnosis effect? That's the only possible chance I can see for Kakashi.

[CrazyMoronX]

I think people are underestimating Kakashi here. If you've read the current manga release, you'd see that Kakashi is actually quite durable. He took a kick that leveled a forrest, and got right back up. I don't see Spider-Man killing him with 1 punch, that's fucking nonsense.

Also, Kakashi has clones, is very good at dodging, is also a genius, can also predict moves, can copy movement (including speed, apparently), can survive massive attacks, can teleport (kawarimi), has 1,000 various moves, etc...

This isn't going to be a walk in the park for Spider-Man. I'm not saying Kakashi will win, to argue this is futile in the OB, comic book characters CANNOT lose. However, it is not going to be as easy as everyone is trying to make it out to be.

[Iris]

I think people are underestimating Kakashi here. If you've read the current manga release, you'd see that Kakashi is actually quite durable. He took a kick that leveled a forrest, and got right back up. I don't see Spider-Man killing him with 1 punch, that's fucking nonsense.

Spidermans strenght is far above Kakuzu's.

Also, Kakashi has clones, is very good at dodging, is also a genius, can also predict moves, can copy movement (including speed, apparently), can survive massive attacks, can teleport (kawarimi), has 1,000 various moves, etc...

Spidermans body speed is faster than Kakashi's.
Once he catches him with webs there's no way to get out.

This isn't going to be a walk in the park for Spider-Man. I'm not saying Kakashi will win, to argue this is futile in the OB, comic book characters CANNOT lose. However, it is not going to be as easy as everyone is trying to make it out to be.

Comic book characters CAN lose.

[Endless Mike]

Kawarimi is not teleportation.... didn't you read when they first explained it?

[Gunners]

I think Kakashi would win. Spiderman can be sneak attacked he got owned in civil war granted he scrapped with Iron man for a period of time.

If Spiderman looks in to Kakashis eyes he could be placed in a Genjutsu, the Kakashi has water techniques he picked up from Zabuza, possibly lightning techniques etc.

Also to someone saying spiderman is too fast, what are spidermans speed feats I never really saw spiderman as being uber fast on a similar note Kakashi isn't slow either.

[Goodfellow]

He could have teleported spidey into another dimension - but the problem is that in the comics Spiderman has his "spidersence" so developed that he would be warned the second Kakashi thought of doing it. There are examples (as those who know more about spidey than me have showed me) where he is warned when an enemy enters the planet he is staying on.


Is it just me, or has spider man really really moved away fromm having spider esque abilites-.-?

I'd like to see the spider with a "spider sense" that tells it that somewhere, out there, something wants to eat it. Not necessarily on the same continent, but somewhere...


Anyway, spidey would kick kakashi's ass, that most of the veteran forumers agree on. But I think you downsize the ninjas of Naruto when you say one hit is enough. I think Kakashi could take more, like three hits, before getting killed by Spidey.

Also, a few questions:
In what terrain does spidey fight best? If it was a completetly flat surface, would he be at a "disadvantage" towards Kakashi.

And how fast is Spidey again? can't really remeber that being said. Kakashi should atleast be in the limits of what the normal human eye is able to see, while attacking with raikiri, if I understood it correctly. He isn't that fast usually though, although he is able to shunshin (a trick with limited uses, but he does it sometimes, like when burrowing underground, I belive).

And would a raikiri8 be able to cut spidey's web.

Sorry if this is slightly off topic, but I think it's topic enough to be posted.

Oh, and yes, Kawamari isn't teleporting, the shunshin they do at the same time is.

[CrazyMoronX]

Spidermans strenght is far above Kakuzu's.

This simply isn't true. We have no idea what the limits are for Kakuzu. You cannot say either way, at this point in time.



Spidermans body speed is faster than Kakashi's.
Once he catches him with webs there's no way to get out.

Sharingan can predict the movement of Sipder-Man, Kakashi can dodge the webs. The webbing doesn't move as fast as Spider-Man, unless it is somehow boosted to sonic speeds these days. :notrust



Comic book characters CAN lose.

To other Comic Book Characters, maybe.

Kawarimi is not teleportation.... didn't you read when they first explained it?

Don't they replace themselves with a far-off object? Sounds like teleportation to me... Maybe I'm not understanding the move correclty.

[Iris]

If he uses Raikiri to cut webs then he's utterly stupid.

How many times can he use it? 3-4 times? going on max. let's say 5 times and in worst case scenario he would die by it.

Now look, 1 hit...that's easier said than done of course, but I wonder if Kakashi would survive Tsunades 2 direct hits in his face.

And Spidermans strenght is way above Tsunades. Comic Sidermans at least.

[Goodfellow]

If he uses Raikiri to cut webs then he's utterly stupid.

How many times can he use it? 3-4 times? going on max. let's say 5 times and in worst case scenario he would die by it.

Now look, 1 hit...that's easier said than done of course, but I wonder if Kakashi would survive Tsunades 2 direct hits in his face.

And Spidermans strenght is way above Tsunades. Comic Sidermans at least.

Hell, to begin with, no one who does superhuman feats while fighting mano a mano, eye to eye, in a duel dies by one hit, it's like the law of the universe. Two hits, that's my last bid.

Also, what goes for the cutting web with raikiri, I asked becouse what the hell would he cut it with otherwise? His invisibly white chakra blade which he keeps in his pocket? I reckoned that raikiri is the only thing he'd be able to cut web with^^

what goes for kawamari, no one seem to know exactly how it works, I think they just summons a far off object that take their appearence, and then move away at their own leisure.

Actually, bunshins and kawamari's are so alike as a function, it's hard to keep em apart -.- Why even bother to, one, be able to make a clone, or two, pull fourth an object, that looks exactly like you?

We'd need an ask Kishi letter, from the "loving" fans of the narutoforums.

[Gunners]

Now look, 1 hit...that's easier said than done of course, but I wonder if Kakashi would survive Tsunades 2 direct hits in his face.

And Spidermans strenght is way above Tsunades. Comic Sidermans at least.

This isn't cosmic spiderman. Also I am curious to know if Superman can punch through a block made of iron and shatter it Tsunade is stronger than Sakura and Sakura did just that.

[Iris]

This simply isn't true. We have no idea what the limits are for Kakuzu. You cannot say either way, at this point in time.

I don't see anyone in Naruto lifting houses, crushing buildings, stopping full speed trains.

Sharingan can predict the movement of Sipder-Man, Kakashi can dodge the webs. The webbing doesn't move as fast as Spider-Man, unless it is somehow boosted to sonic speeds these days. :notrust.

If he uses Sharingan non-stop I wonder how many minutes he will last until he colapses. We saw the after-effects after the Zabuza fight. Only using having his Sharingan open makes him tired, let alone use it, why do you think he covers his eye all time? it's for that very reason.

To other Comic Book Characters, maybe.

I won't argue about this.

[Goodfellow]

I don't see anyone in Naruto lifting houses, crushing buildings, stopping full speed trains.



If he uses Sharingan non-stop I wonder how many minutes he will last until he colapses. We saw the after-effects after the Zabuza fight. Only using having his Sharingan open makes him tired, let alone use it, why do you think he covers his eye all time? it's for that very reason.



I won't argue about this.

One, they got summons for that.

Two, true, but I doubt this would be a very long fight anyway, and let's not forget, everytime Kakashi fights, he's a bit stronger than the last time. Partly becouse otherwise he'd be boring, and partly becouse he still trains to improve. His first fight was thus, his worst.

[Iris]

Hell, to begin with, no one who does superhuman feats while fighting mano a mano, eye to eye, in a duel dies by one hit, it's like the law of the universe. Two hits, that's my last bid.

And yet Luffy pwnd Bellamy in one hit.

Also, what goes for the cutting web with raikiri, I asked becouse what the hell would he cut it with otherwise? His invisibly white chakra blade which he keeps in his pocket? I reckoned that raikiri is the only thing he'd be able to cut web with^^

I didn't say that he has other options, I just said that it would be stupid to use his "trump card" for that purpose if he would get cought over and over again.^^

[Iris]

One, they got summons for that.

Two, true, but I doubt this would be a very long fight anyway, and let's not forget, everytime Kakashi fights, he's a bit stronger than the last time. Partly becouse otherwise he'd be boring, and partly becouse he still trains to improve. His first fight was thus, his worst.

His 1st fight was worst because he didn't know what the enemy was capable off.

Forgot to say. Yes I only see the Sannin summons do that. I don't see Kakashi's dogs doing it.

[Vynjira]

When has Spiderman CRUSHED a Building under his own power? Does this new suit of his act like a Symbiote or something enhancing his abilities??

[Goodfellow]

His 1st fight was worst because he didn't know what the enemy was capable off.

Forgot to say. Yes I only see the Sannin summons do that. I don't see Kakashi's dogs doing it.

Don't double post, use edit, otherwise someone will probably neg you. Part of this forum can be really fenicky about that thinghywingy (bad english for life!)

Anyway, you asked if someone in Naruto could to that, I answered. Another option to doing those feats of strenght is by justus of course. Heck, Yamato made creating a waterfall and a pretty large hill seem like a walk in the park.

And yes, his first fight was his worst (third time we say this), but haven't you noticed that everytime he fights, his stamina seemed to have increased?




Oh, and the one hit thinghy, it's not like it's perfect <.< But inna general, it's pretty good. Kakashi took an unprepared kick in the gut by Kakuzu, and it left quite the creater after he had flown about 5-10 metres, and he was still able to fight without any serious aftereffects.

[Iris]

Don't double post, use edit, otherwise someone will probably neg you. Part of this forum can be really fenicky about that thinghywingy (bad english for life!)

Anyway, you asked if someone in Naruto could to that, I answered.

And yes, his first fight was his worst (third time we say this), but haven't you noticed that everytime he fights, his stamina seemed to have increased?

Sorry for double post, I used edit in my previous post though.

I didn't really notice his stamina increasment. Sorry.

Edit: The threadstarter provided us not enough info. to where the battle is held. It's important to know since the outcome could differ dramatically. And it's not like that Yamato did it that Kakashi can do it as well, even if Kakashi can do it I doubt that he has enough stamina to keep fighting after that + you need a water fall.

From what we have seen, Raikiri is his strongest attack and it won't hit Spiderman. It's too slow.

Also we don't know if this is movie Spidey or comic Spidey.

[CrazyMoronX]

Did you miss the chapter when Tsunade hurled Gamabunta's sword? Did you see how big the sword was? Now, she did that EASILY. Spider-Man isn't stronger than Tsunade. :notrust

Does the Sharingan tire him out? Yes. Has he gotten much better with it? Of course. He can go for an entire day with it out, and not get tired. He can also use his MS 3 times before getting tired.

He can traverse underground, create clones of himself, possibly use sensory attacks against Spider-Man and bypass his Spidey-Sense (This may or may not be true), etc...

Like I said, he probably won't win. But it won't be easy.

[Gunners]

I don't see anyone in Naruto lifting houses, crushing buildings, stopping full speed trains.

Yet Tsunade jumped in the air with that huge sword, and trashed and area when she attacked Orochimaru.

If he uses Sharingan non-stop I wonder how many minutes he will last until he colapses. We saw the after-effects after the Zabuza fight. Only using having his Sharingan open makes him tired, let alone use it, why do you think he covers his eye all time? it's for that very reason.


Post time skip Kakashi held his Sharingan out for hours when he was fighting Sakura and Naruto. His stamina has increased.


Forgot to say. Yes I only see the Sannin summons do that. I don't see Kakashi's dogs doing it.
You didn't say Kakashi though you said ''You don't see Naruto characters doing XYZ''.

Personally I think Kakashi would win this match but I think it has become the standard in the battledome to say Naruto character looses and underestimate them.

[Orion]

we never actually saw tsunade pick it up though. that was filler.

[Endless Mike]

Don't they replace themselves with a far-off object? Sounds like teleportation to me... Maybe I'm not understanding the move correclty.

No, they sneak another object into their place when their opponent is not looking.

[Goodfellow]

we never actually saw tsunade pick it up though. that was filler.

Seriously
Well, considering the fact that the last time we saw it before she *not picked up* was when Gamabunta lost ina counterattack from Manda, we can pretty safely assume that she must picked it up, or caught it, or whatever.

Unseriously
Lol, I like it, reminds me of the old Ando days
What did he write? Something about something being filler.

[Orion]

^^except ando was full of shit,and my comment is actually true.

[MajesticBeast]

Total win for spidy.

[Iris]

Battle could be a bit interesting if it was movie Spiderman.

However comic Spiderman is overkill.

Since the threadstarter didn't state who it was we pick up the stronger.

The outcome is obvious.

[Goodfellow]

^^except ando was full of shit,and my comment is actually true.

You seriously mean that the sword, wakizashi wahtever DID NOT fly up in the air, with a suspicious figure clinging to it, looking a lot like a certain gal we know, and then the wakisword did not stab Manda in the mouth, pinning him to the ground right before he was able to give Gamabunt a quite nasty bite in the ass? becouse I totally remembered that happening when I was rereading the manga yesterday. Oh well, it would not be the first time i totally forgot something ´quite important to the story the day after I reead it. happens quite often actually. Really.

And why do we not pick the weaker one o.O? Wasn't there something called the cosmic spidey, who was omnipotent, or near omnipotent? Shouldn't we pick him in that case.

I say we stick to the current spidey, in the comic.

[Iris]

And why do we not pick the weaker one o.O? Wasn't there something called the cosmic spidey, who was omnipotent, or near omnipotent? Shouldn't we pick him in that case.

I say we stick to the current spidey, in the comic.

Why not picking the weaker one you say...well if you can chose then pick up the stronger one, the purpose is to win, obviously we pick the stronger then.

Comsic Spidey is from comics, that's why I said it would be overkill.

[Goodfellow]

Shouldn't we just agree about the spidey, that the topicstarter did not specify, is the current comic spiderman, possibly without that new suit he got (although I doubt it matters, we could just assume that the raikiri could bypass the ironsuit).

Anyway, you wanna know a funny thing? I though that spidey would win, but I'm still discussin in this thread. I like talking too much.

[Vynjira]

Point of any vs is that something would be in question. Meaning the 2 versions closest to eachother.

[CrazyMoronX]

That's not the way I remember the explanation... it doesn't sound like it would work.

Anyway, this thread needs manga scans. Blue. :wtf

[Iris]

Shouldn't we just agree about the spidey, that the topicstarter did not specify, is the current comic spiderman, possibly without that new suit he got (although I doubt it matters, we could just assume that the raikiri could bypass the ironsuit).

Anyway, you wanna know a funny thing? I though that spidey would win, but I'm still discussin in this thread. I like talking too much.

That's good, at least you stay reasonable and admit that Spidey would win.

Unlike most Narutards and OPtards.

[Yamucha]

Kakashi takes this one ...

[Perfect Moron]

^Damn, that was a hell of an argument. You just changed everyone's mind.

[Orion]

You seriously mean that the sword, wakizashi wahtever DID NOT fly up in the air, with a suspicious figure clinging to it, looking a lot like a certain gal we know, and then the wakisword did not stab Manda in the mouth, pinning him to the ground right before he was able to give Gamabunt a quite nasty bite in the ass? becouse I totally remembered that happening when I was rereading the manga yesterday. Oh well, it would not be the first time i totally forgot something ´quite important to the story the day after I reead it. happens quite often actually. Really.

And why do we not pick the weaker one o.O? Wasn't there something called the cosmic spidey, who was omnipotent, or near omnipotent? Shouldn't we pick him in that case.

I say we stick to the current spidey, in the comic.

i never said it didnt fly up in the air or that tsunade didnt stab manda in the mouth,what i said was we never actually saw her pick it up for all we know her summon could picked it up.

[Gunners]

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/4154/narutoc170p17tp0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/1833/narutoc170p18ps6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Tsunade pretty much picked up that sword from my point of view anyway.

I don't really know how strong spiderman is exactly but I don't think he would down Kakashi in one hit.

[CrazyMoronX]

Maybe it was flying in the air already!! lawls! :nuts

I think we need a context scan. Where was the knife before that frame?

[Goodfellow]

Maybe it was flying in the air already!! lawls! :nuts

I think we need a context scan. Where was the knife before that frame?

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume191.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=22268
The knife in Manda's mouth, after Gamabunta blocked a bite directed at the slug.

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume191.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=22269
Knife hits the ground. Might be the slug in the background. I'm unsure. If it is, then Tsunande is still on it's head. It's a little dot there.

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume191.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=22272
Lady, flying with very big kitchen tool.

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume191.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=22273
Manda gets knife though mouth. Ouch.
Poor Manda, outnumbered, two versus one^^

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume191.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=22276
Manda, stating in canon that he has a knife in his mouth.
(Credits go to jplaya for the canon line, it's silly:wink )

So, either it was Tsunande who picked it up, or the slug. But neither or both are seen close to the knife before it is in the air. Who knows, maybe the old lady was just steering the knife to the right spot o.O ANd just steering a huge mass of metal, that have to wiegh several tons aren't really a feat, issit^^?

[CrazyMoronX]

I think it's very clear Tsunade lifted it. Not only that, she dug it out of the ground, requiring even more strength.

I don't think the slug can lift anything, it has no arms, no mouth (well, it's tiny), and only baby slugs to move people around with.

[potential]

I don't see anyone in Naruto lifting houses, crushing buildings, stopping full speed trains.



If he uses Sharingan non-stop I wonder how many minutes he will last until he colapses. We saw the after-effects after the Zabuza fight. Only using having his Sharingan open makes him tired, let alone use it, why do you think he covers his eye all time? it's for that very reason.



I won't argue about this.

Fuck are u smoking Spiderman aint stronger than tsunade

[Iris]

Fuck are u smoking Spiderman aint stronger than tsunade

Cosmic Spiderman > Tsunade.

[konflikti]

Why is this Tsunade vs. Spider-man anyway? Kakashi supposedly is nowhere near Tsunade, nor Sakura in striking power or strenght. Besides, Spidey would most likely best Tsunade lot easier than Kakashi, since she's like 90% melee and Spidey is the king of the dodging folk.

Anyways, I still think the spidersense is the deciding factor here. It lets Spidey dodge so ridiculously large array of stuff that most likely Kakashi would grow exhausted before catching him.

[Gunners]

To be honest I don't really see spiderman dodging huge Katon or suiton blasts, his spidersense will alert him of the danger but if the Jutsu is too big he would have a hard time evading it. Shurkins he could evade with ease but something which is large in size I think it would throw him off somewhat.

[Orion]

would have to agree,spiderman and kakashi are about equal in speed,but i would put spidey's spidersense a bit above sharingan,that said spidey is super good at dodging his webs if they get on kakashi wont be broken and spidey way outclasses kakashi's physical strength,i just dont see kakashi ever getting a hit in.agreeing with kon btw.and wtf is a katon going to do lol they are worse then shit,and spidey has taken hits from the big hitters in comics and come out i dont see a suiton doing enough damage to put spidey down.

[Gunners]

would have to agree,spiderman and kakashi are about equal in speed,but i would put spidey's spidersense a bit above sharingan,that said spidey is super good at dodging his webs if they get on kakashi wont be broken and spidey way outclasses kakashi's physical strength,i just dont see kakashi ever getting a hit in.agreeing with kon btw.and wtf is a katon going to do lol they are worse then shit,and spidey has taken hits from the big hitters in comics and come out i dont see a suiton doing enough damage to put spidey down.

It would harm him and slow him down leading him to greater attacks. And what would it do, if it hit him it would possibly burn him and injure him in the process.

Most people would get killed by a Katon anyway, its just that Naruto characters are more durable than normal people..

[Orion]

^^how are they more durable they seem to go down to kunai fire ect. just like a normal human.

[Vynjira]

Why is this Tsunade vs. Spider-man anyway? Kakashi supposedly is nowhere near Tsunade, nor Sakura in striking power or strenght. Besides, Spidey would most likely best Tsunade lot easier than Kakashi, since she's like 90% melee and Spidey is the king of the dodging folk.
Tsunade vs. KAKASHI is what their comparing, Kakashi has taken heavy hits their saying Spiderman hits HARDER, so they brought up Tsunade's physical feats so they can prove Kakashi could withstand Spiderman's punches.

[konflikti]

To be honest I don't really see spiderman dodging huge Katon or suiton blasts, his spidersense will alert him of the danger but if the Jutsu is too big he would have a hard time evading it. Shurkins he could evade with ease but something which is large in size I think it would throw him off somewhat.

The thing you don't realize is that Spidey can start dodging the blast way before it is iniated. While I might agree with you that Spidey can't dodge huge fire/water blast after it has been shot and he's infront of it, nothing is saying he can't get out of the harms way before the blast.

Lot of these blasts depend on the battlefield too, from near uselessness in a city to very useful on a plains of some sort.

[Gunners]

The thing you don't realize is that Spidey can start dodging the blast way before it is iniated. While I might agree with you that Spidey can't dodge huge fire/water blast after it has been shot and he's infront of it, nothing is saying he can't get out of the harms way before the blast.

Lot of these blasts depend on the battlefield too, from near uselessness in a city to very useful on a plains of some sort.

The spider sense alerts him before the danger actually starts? I thought like if an attack was comming it would alert him but not before the trigger was fired.

In a city Kakashi wouldn't be at a disadvantage to be honest, he would have more areas to hide out, granted his stealth is nullified at the final moment thanks to Spider sense, he wouldn't have to go in a direct fight.

[konflikti]

The spider sense alerts him before the danger actually starts? I thought like if an attack was comming it would alert him but not before the trigger was fired.

More or less. Explains all the laser-dodging.

In a city Kakashi wouldn't be at a disadvantage to be honest, he would have more areas to hide out, granted his stealth is nullified at the final moment thanks to Spider sense, he wouldn't have to go in a direct fight.

Yes, I'm just talking about the attacks themselves.

[Vynjira]

Spiderman's Spider Sense will normally go off as early as it needs to to help him dodge the incoming danger.

[The Wanderer]

It seems that people are forgetting that Kakashi's not-so-new (XP) jutsu has a cooldown period. Rememeber when he shot that thing the first time against Deidara ? His Sharingan deteriorated, and he was in pain before "shooting" again (Or was it after the second time ? Anyway, people, you should see where I'm going). If his technique fails, he's as good as dead, since he won't have enough stamina top go on.

And you really can't compare Kakashi's Sharingan with the Spider-Sense, the former is useless if the user can't see the target (As noted in the Kakashi vs Zabuza fight) or if the enemy is faster than the Sharingan user, besides, that bloodline drains Kakashi's stamina. The later, on the other hand, is useful even if Web-Face has his eyes closed, can detect dangers than can't be seen by the eyes, as in, "I'm gonna attack you from below", and it can see trough feints and sneak tactics even before the actual battle started, as we can see in ASM 534, hell that thing can even feel the Astral form of Dr. Strange and to top it off, it doesn't come with a vengeance.

And about the whole Tsundade vs Spider-Man deal . . . While it can be argued that Tsunade is as strong as Spidey, pro-Tsunade forumons must acknowledge that she doesn't have what it takes to keep up with him. We don't have evidence that she can take heavy damage as in seeing her taking a hit from someone really strong, and not strong by Naruto standards, but strong according to OBD standards.

Spidey took hits from the Hulk (who's stronger than him and Tsunade) and he kinda sorta took hits from people stronger than Hulk, and he lived to keep fighting. We would be seeing a repetition of the Kabuto vs Tsunade fight, with a less rusty Tsuande but with a more troublesome opponent. Spider-Man can take one hit (highly unlikely) and he'll go to serious mode afterwards, sealing Tsunade's fate. Well, it's sealed too if he sees the effect of Tsunade's punch on the battlefield, meaning that he'll be extra-careful and he won't hold back as much.

With all that said, I'm leaning towards Spider-Man if he fights Kakashi. He's far stronger, faster, far more agile, far more durable, his Spider Sense outclasses the Sharingan And by the way, Raikiri won't help Kakashi this time because the jutsu has an awful start-up delay, it isn't stealthy at all, and it leaves Kakashi pinned in the same spot. Using Raikiri means that Spidey can web the crap out of him during the charge-up without much effort.

[TRTrunks]

well, kakashi can't predict any of his moves with sharingan caz spiderman isn't using jutsu or chackra( as in the first fight between rock lee and sasuke), and kakashi doesn't know how to use the magenkou sharingan so spider sense beats sharingan, but kakashi still has his jutsu, and speed ... so even if the spider sense activated it would be to late... anyway i think it would be a tie...

[Goodfellow]

well, kakashi can't predict any of his moves with sharingan caz spiderman isn't using jutsu or chackra( as in the first fight between rock lee and sasuke), and kakashi doesn't know how to use the magenkou sharingan so spider sense beats sharingan, but kakashi still has his jutsu, and speed ... so even if the spider sense activated it would be to late... anyway i think it would be a tie...

Er what o.O? Sharingan can read taijutsu they said. That's basicly saying, we can see when you try to punch us.

Also, about the Kakashi to Tsunande comparing, no one has said that kakashi can take a hit from Tsunande. he took a really heavy kick from Kakuzu, but is Kakuzu as strong as Tsunande?

[The Wanderer]

well, kakashi can't predict any of his moves with sharingan caz spiderman isn't using jutsu or chackra( as in the first fight between rock lee and sasuke), and kakashi doesn't know how to use the magenkou sharingan so spider sense beats sharingan, but kakashi still has his jutsu, and speed ... so even if the spider sense activated it would be to late... anyway i think it would be a tie...The thing is the Spider-Sense kicks in before the actual danger starts. While Kakashi is preparing the hand seals, Spider-Man will be in "He's preparing something, so I'll get the hell outta here and I better do it ASAP" mode, by the time the jutsu starts, Spidey will be outisde of the jutsu's AoE

About the whole speed thing, you're making it look like Spidey doesn't have experience fighting speedsters, but he defeated Speed Demon, who's as fast as Classic Quicksilver, who's most likely faster than anyone in Narutoverse. So I wouldn't say that Kakashi's speed will be the deciding factor in this fight.

Nothing's stopping Spidey from webbing Kakashi's hands while he's in the middle of all his mumbo-jumbo. That would mess the ninja up in so many ways.

[Goodfellow]

I doubt spidey's nets would be the deciding factor in this factor, unless they take Kakashi by surprise. He's more than capable to move out of they way, even if he would be prepering a jutsu.

It would be spidey's spider sense and strenght that would win it.

[The Wanderer]

Yeah, he may be able to dodge them , but if he can't he's in for a lot of trouble, since his movement rate would de decreased horribly, and because he can't break the webbing. As long as he can't, Spider-Man has a useful tool. Chances are that he may understimate them, I mean, he wouldn't know that Peter's web is strong enough to hold real powerhouses, would he ? :P

I think I'll call it a day for now. See you later guys.

[potential]

Er what o.O? Sharingan can read taijutsu they said. That's basicly saying, we can see when you try to punch us.

Also, about the Kakashi to Tsunande comparing, no one has said that kakashi can take a hit from Tsunande. he took a really heavy kick from Kakuzu, but is Kakuzu as strong as Tsunande?

Heck no. He more on SAkura strength considero=ing she could shatter solid iron with her punches.

[Guy Gardner]

I'd like to point out that Spider Sense isn't infallible. He still got hit by Captain America, and he's has gotten clocked, hurt, whatever, multiple times before. Just look at Civil War 5. No Spidey Sense. It works, but it isn't completely sure-fire like people seem to think it is, and Captain America showed that people can overwhelm it or at least hit Spidey despite it.

To argue Spidey is faster than the ninjas is a stretch. We've seen Ninjas who are fast enough to disappear, they are at least closer to QS (Maybe a bit lower) speed. Spidey's reactions asside, I'd say that Kakashi has the edge in speed.

By the by, Spidey might catch Kakashi with the webbing, but I doubt he'll get him the first or second time. Webbing might be strong... but it's not fast enough to overwhelm a brilliant Jounin in the Narutoverse, especially with Sharingan.

On Spidey's strength, I'm not sure how much of a factor it'll be. With Sharingan, Kakashi can dodge pretty well, plus he's versatile enough to take it to a more ranged game. In a city, he has access to just about any element he could possibly want. Plus Spidey pulls his punches initially, and nin are tougher than most regular humans, so he might be able to take a punch or two and realize that HtH is not the place to be with Spidey.

Does Kakashi win? I doubt it. He definitely has a better chance than most Naruto Ninjas.

[Enclave]

I noticed somebody mention Raikiri to cut webbing. That actually may not work as Spidys webbing has proven to not conduct electricity (seen in his fights with Electro).

Also J&L, you mention how Captain America was able to tag Spidy in Civil War. The flaw there though is that Captain America has this ridiculous job aura associated with him. Most people who know what Spidy is capable of realise that he must of been holding back a great deal against Capt otherwise Capt shouldn't of been able to read his moves at all due to Spidys speed and pure randomness in fighting styles.

Somebody was also asking just how fast Spidy is. Well I would say the best indication of his speed is the fact that Daredevil with his enhanced senses even has trouble keeping track of Parker. He has also said before that against a serious Spidy he doesn't stand a chance and really well that goes with many characters. Parker holds back more than most people even realise when he is fighting and it isn't just his strength he holds back it is all aspects of himself. The Other delved into this somewhat.

A serious Peter Parker goes from being just above street level to being able to fight with the likes of Ironman and Hulk.

Assuming this vs topic is about Spidy in character then I would say that odds are pretty good Spidy would win this without too much trouble. However if at any point in the fight Spidy decides to get serious and really give it his all this goes to just being a total massacre of Kakashi with Parker doing his whole speed blitz which I love to see but he hardly ever does.

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Location is important. Spidey can't really dodge a tsunami no jutsu if it's in a flat area but he could if there were lots of trees or buildings

[Comic Book Guy]

Is this classic Spidey, post-Other, or Iron Spider being used here?

[Shadow Replication 1480]

No one ever stated which Spidey was being used.

Welcome back, btw.

[Comic Book Guy]

Thanks. Good to see you too, ShadowReplication1480.

[takeover2]

Kakashi MS will end Spidey no doubt

[Comic Book Guy]

It takes awhile to take out the MS though.

[Kai]

Kakashi MS will end Spidey no doubt

Considering it will take him a few minutes to activate, and then after that he has to aim it. Also, considering that he misses, he will be drained severely.

[konflikti]

MS is the worst way Kakashi can start this fight. It is rather unlikely to hit Spidey, and it greatly drains Kakashi.

[Guy Gardner]

I noticed somebody mention Raikiri to cut webbing. That actually may not work as Spidys webbing has proven to not conduct electricity (seen in his fights with Electro).

It's not about conducting electricity, it's about cutting power.

Also J&L, you mention how Captain America was able to tag Spidy in Civil War. The flaw there though is that Captain America has this ridiculous job aura associated with him.

Excuse me? No offense, but he got hit. Job aura or not, his Spidey Sense is not the end-all be-all of fights. He doesn't dodge EVERYTHING, he can't avoid EVERY hit. Yes, he is quite adept at dodging, but we've seen just in Civil War multiple times that his Spidey Sense can be foiled through smart tactics. Spidey gets hit: Just look at DD whacking him in Civil War 3. He's not completely unhittable.

Most people who know what Spidy is capable of realise that he must of been holding back a great deal against Capt otherwise Capt shouldn't of been able to read his moves at all due to Spidys speed and pure randomness in fighting styles.

Just because it's random doesn't mean you can't get a read on him. As random as someone wants to be, they still have to have some sort of flow and style to them. Capt was able to use tactics to be able to hit Spidey. Spidey realized that if he wanted this fight, he'd have to not fight Capt head on, but rather use his unique talents to beat him ("Like a Spider.").

Plus, Sharingan would allow him to still predict his movements without eye contact. Gai's technique would avoid the Genjutsus associated with Sharingan, as we've seen Sasuke dodge Gaara's sand which didn't have eyes, or at least Sasuke wasn't actually LOOKING into Gaara's little eye.

Somebody was also asking just how fast Spidy is. Well I would say the best indication of his speed is the fact that Daredevil with his enhanced senses even has trouble keeping track of Parker.

But he can, right? I'm sure DD has more trouble tracking a speedster like QS. Trying to argue Spidey has more raw speed than Kakashi is really the wrong way to look at it. His reflexes and agility are obviously on par if not above, but raw speed? Naruto nin basically teleport when they move because they are so fast. They are at least somewhere around QS level, and Spidey is definitely NOT that fast.

He has also said before that against a serious Spidy he doesn't stand a chance and really well that goes with many characters. Parker holds back more than most people even realise when he is fighting and it isn't just his strength he holds back it is all aspects of himself. The Other delved into this somewhat.

I agree, Parker holds back a lot just so he doesn't kill your average crook.

A serious Peter Parker goes from being just above street level to being able to fight with the likes of Ironman and Hulk.

Ironman, maybe. HULK? I'm... not too sure about that.

Assuming this vs topic is about Spidy in character then I would say that odds are pretty good Spidy would win this without too much trouble.

I think he'd have a lot of trouble with someone who is probably faster and has similar agility and reflexes, along with a brilliant tactical mind and a technique bag that numbers in the thousands.

However if at any point in the fight Spidy decides to get serious and really give it his all this goes to just being a total massacre of Kakashi with Parker doing his whole speed blitz which I love to see but he hardly ever does.

Spidey speedblitzing? Kakashi? How, exactly would he do that when we haven't seen him show enough speed to adequately do so?

Spider-man would win this, in all likelihood. But it isn't near the massacre everyone is talking about. Webbing hitting someone whose job is avoiding projectiles and other deadily weapons, plus getting the drop on someone who has what is basically the equivilent of enhanced senses and dozens of techniques to keep him on his guard.

[Cthulhu-versailles]

my evaluation of nar characters is dif then it use to be.
I think kakashi and spiderman would have a good fight, but lean to kakashi taking this. (this is assuming it isn't Iron suit spiderman)

1- if the fight is in a big city or something, that isn't all that favorable to spiderman because kakashi can stick to surfaces and rebound of them fast as well. Outside a big city or stocked area, I think Kakashi has an advantage.

2-kakashi can take spiderman's hits and walk them off pretty well. the proof is in Narutoverse strength, which I think people r underestimating, and more soin the specific instance of him getting up from the Kakuzu hit.

3- spider sense is better then sharigan, obviously, but sharigan can be just as useful in this context. kakashi can read spiderman's body movements... he isn't fast enough too make that a none issue. hence, sharigan still helps kakashi anticipate and avoid.

4-Kakakshi has shown I think about a dozen or so jutu's, some of which would be really helpful here. I can go into more detail if someone wants. there is also some basic ninja techniques that are helpful here.
anyway, spiderman has shown that in close combat against very agile, relatively fast, and very proficent fighters, to be hit. So at close range kakashi should be more then capable of getting in some hits. however, to go running in with just a raw taijutsu tactic isn't what he has to do anyway.

5-in terms of raw speed kakashi is faster then spiderman. (we can compare some scans or something if u want...) however I don't see the point; because after the other where spidy shows to move so fast he can go acroos a room, get behind stark and trip him... is exactly the type of speed Naruto nins have shown themselves as well as beyond.

6-Kakashi is quite smart and proficent in battle tactics.

7- Spiderman's webbing is a problem but not to the point it's an end all kind of aspect of the fight. there a ways to deal with it here, although the best way is to avoid it...

it's really close though.

[potential]

nuff said^

[Comic Book Guy]

With regards to strength, I disagree.

Peter has been known to restrain himself when actually hitting people.

Does Peter act in-character here?

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With regards to strength, I disagree.

Peter has been known to restrain himself when actually hitting people.

Does Peter act in-character here?

If it's Iron Spidey acting in character then even Moegi could take him down

[Enclave]

It's not about conducting electricity, it's about cutting power.

If you negate the electricity then where is it's cutting power coming from?


Excuse me? No offense, but he got hit. Job aura or not, his Spidey Sense is not the end-all be-all of fights. He doesn't dodge EVERYTHING, he can't avoid EVERY hit. Yes, he is quite adept at dodging, but we've seen just in Civil War multiple times that his Spidey Sense can be foiled through smart tactics. Spidey gets hit: Just look at DD whacking him in Civil War 3. He's not completely unhittable.

I never said he is completely unhittable, however Capt. hitting Spidy is a little out there and better martial artists than Capt. have failed in reading Parkers movements before because of his unique and incredibly random fighting style. Also Capt. didn't just get a couple hits on Spidy he was dominating their up-close portion of the fight, even ignoring the Spider-Sense that shouldn't be possible as Spidy is physically superior to Capt. in EVERY way. Hell Ironman analyses his opponents moves and his armour can then extrapolate the most probable reactions/movements his opponents will take (he has done this many times) and even still he has trouble hitting Parker and his reaction times are almost Spider-Man level currently.

Also unless it is in a more recent Civil War (if it is a more recent one then don't tell me as I don't want a Civil War spoiler) but up through October I have seen nothing but great showings from the Spider-Sense.

Just because it's random doesn't mean you can't get a read on him. As random as someone wants to be, they still have to have some sort of flow and style to them. Capt was able to use tactics to be able to hit Spidey. Spidey realized that if he wanted this fight, he'd have to not fight Capt head on, but rather use his unique talents to beat him ("Like a Spider.").

And if you ask me that was a bull response from Spidy. It isn't that Spidy wants to fight randomly, he just does it is what his fighting style naturally developed into. Head on even not being the more skilled hth combatant Spidy should easily dominate Capt.

Plus, Sharingan would allow him to still predict his movements without eye contact. Gai's technique would avoid the Genjutsus associated with Sharingan, as we've seen Sasuke dodge Gaara's sand which didn't have eyes, or at least Sasuke wasn't actually LOOKING into Gaara's little eye.

Where did I say that the Sharingan couldn't read Parkers moves? I was specifically talking about Captain America reading Parkers moves and how that was total and complete bull. Even still though the Sharingans ability to read moves while would be helpful but still wouldn't sway the battle all that much at all considering Spidys superior speed.

But he can, right? I'm sure DD has more trouble tracking a speedster like QS. Trying to argue Spidey has more raw speed than Kakashi is really the wrong way to look at it. His reflexes and agility are obviously on par if not above, but raw speed? Naruto nin basically teleport when they move because they are so fast. They are at least somewhere around QS level, and Spidey is definitely NOT that fast.

Obviously DD has trouble keeping track of the likes of QS. Thing is though Spidy is considered a speedster himself, just not on the same level QS used to be. Yes Naruto ninjas "teleport" which is a common manga/anime effect used to show somebody moving really fast. Of course you are forgetting that Daredevil has trouble keeping track of Spidy doing his normal thing. I don't think DD has ever seen Spidy do one of his speed blitzes, I can't recall anybody ever tagging Parker when he is doing one of those.

I would say he has more raw speed than Naruto ninjas (and easily superior reaction times and agility).

I agree, Parker holds back a lot just so he doesn't kill your average crook.

He also holds back against super powered beings as well. It is one of his quirks. He is like Superman in that respect.

Ironman, maybe. HULK? I'm... not too sure about that.

He has tangled with Hulk a few times and it usually ends up in a draw. He can't really hurt Hulk all that much (sure can piss him the hell off though which really doesn't work in his favor) but he sure as hell hardly ever gets hit by Hulk and even when hit he can get right back up from it (though will often complain about the hit)

I think he'd have a lot of trouble with someone who is probably faster and has similar agility and reflexes, along with a brilliant tactical mind and a technique bag that numbers in the thousands.

He has fought such opponents before and has defeated them all the same. Worst case scenario he loses his first encounter and wins pretty much every other encounter. Of course I still say you are seriously over-estimating the ninjas speed, agility and reflexes.

Spidey speedblitzing? Kakashi? How, exactly would he do that when we haven't seen him show enough speed to adequately do so?

He is actually quite capable of somewhat short bursts of incredible speed. He usually only does this against his really powerful opponents. Sure it isn't QS type of speed but it is more than most characters can handle.

Spider-man would win this, in all likelihood. But it isn't near the massacre everyone is talking about. Webbing hitting someone whose job is avoiding projectiles and other deadily weapons, plus getting the drop on someone who has what is basically the equivilent of enhanced senses and dozens of techniques to keep him on his guard.

See I am not thinking this in that Spidy got the drop on him. I am just reading into this the fact that Spidy is superior in every way physically and also is one of the most brilliant minds of the Marvel 616 universe (They really really really need to show off his intelligence more often, I say this all the time but the comics have been showing his brilliance less and less often as time goes on)

[Guy Gardner]

A few points: Wood doesn't conduct electricity. A lightning bolt, though, still will cut it like hot butter.

I'd like to see a Spidey Speedblitz. I understand that you might not believe that Naruto Ninjas are fast on their feet, but just look at Gai doing the "Now you see me, now you don't" with just pure speed. Kakashi is rated as fast as Lee is, who appears as a pure blur when he gets going. I dunno when the hell Spidey has ever speed-blitzed someone, but Kakashi certainly has the ability to get a few on people.

Spidey isn't completely superior in any but strength. In speed I'd argue he's outclassed, and all the other areas are comparable at least. Kakashi has a far greater ability to switch the pace of the battle to whatever he wants, and frankly I don't see how Spidey could quickly dispose of him when he's quite well matched in most respects outside of strength (Something Kakashi doesn't normally rely on anyways).

[Spy_Smasher]

Spidey's webs are a non-factor in this fight. They are cancelled out by Kakashi's Kawarimis and Kage Bunshins.

In the long run, I think it is clear that Spidey wins this fight -- he's got (at least a slight) edge in every physical category. Kakashi is not, after all, Tsunade-class in strength. So, the longer the fight goes on, the better the odds for Spidey.

The question becomes, therefore, can Kakashi get a quick KO/kill against Spidey. Well, he has two weapons capable of doing the deed: Raikiri and MS time/space jusu.Before you object about Raikiri, read 334. It was used stealthily against a guy who turned to stone. It no longer requires the long run-up.I believe Spidey's Spider Sense is more than enough to protect him from either jutsu being fatal. So, the answer lies in whether Spidey is vulnerable to the Sharingan genjutsu, which would allow Kakashi to land the jutsu without Spidey sensing it. I believe he is. He is, after all, vulnerable to Mysterio's illusions.

My vote is that Spidey wins most of the time, but not overwhelmingly so.

[Naruto]

It depends on whether spidey knows what kakashi can do. Kakashi's only way out of this is genjutsu, which is something he is very good at. Odds are, if this is the regular spidey, who is always in the mood to talk, he gets caught in genjutsu, otherwise, if osborn just pissed him off for some reason, kakashi gets his ass handed to him with no chit-chat.

Or if spidey simply knows what he is going to pull off with the sharingan (spider sense) he can web his face (or his entire body for that matter) with some impact web. Spiderman could just as well be called TsunadeMan here, because his strength is AT LEAST at the same level of tsunade. But I dont know, ever since i saw him holding the daily bugle on his shoulders...

[MSGohan]

Strength: Spidey (not a big difference though)
Speed: Kakashi

But Speed > Strength => Kakashi wins.

[Naruto]

Strength: Spidey (not a big difference though)
Speed: Kakashi

But Speed > Strength => Kakashi wins.

I'm not even going to comment the speed factor.

You're actually saying that Spiderman is only slightly stronger than Kakashi?

Have you EVER read a spidey comic?

[MSGohan]

I haven't seen Spiderman speedblitz anyone, or move a speeds where his almost invisible.
And by strength difference, I meant that it's not like Superman vs Kakashi.
Can you then provide some scans where Spiderman shows some über strength?

[Naruto]

Look for scans yourself, Spider-Man held the daily bugle on his shoulders in place of a missing steel structure, bent and lifted cars, demolished buildings, fought the hulk on several situations coming out alive (pretty amazing feat), etc etc etc...

[Locard]

Kishimoto clearly stated that ninjas CANT avoid bullets, and that's the reason of the inexistence of guns in Naruto.

But we have Spiderman dodging machine gunfire everyday with ease, and defeating people with superhuman speed like Speed Demon.

So we have a plot hole regarding speed?

[Id]

I'm willing to post scans of spiderman (not the current one). If anyone is willing to post scans of KK; for comparison.


Kishimoto clearly stated that ninjas CANT avoid bullets, and that's the reason of the inexistence of guns in Naruto.

But we have Spiderman dodging machine gunfire everyday with ease, and defeating people with superhuman speed like Speed Demon.

So we have a plot hole regarding speed?

I thought it was established in the interview that he did not allow modern weapons in Naruto; becuse it ruins the theme of Naruto.

And not the inability to dodge bullets.

[MSGohan]

Nahh.. nevermind. I didn't think Spiderman was that fast, probably because of comparing him to the one from the animated series.

[Naruto]

Comic series spidey >>>>>> animated+movie spidey

By FAR really.

@locard: I think the main reason why spidey avoids bullets is because of the sense. He probably moves a split second before they are fired. But he does that with ease, not many beings in the marvel universe do it with ease, thats the main thing about him, and hence, why I think its mostly sense, not speed. Mercurium is faster than him.

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Kishimoto clearly stated that ninjas CANT avoid bullets, and that's the reason of the inexistence of guns in Naruto.

But we have Spiderman dodging machine gunfire everyday with ease, and defeating people with superhuman speed like Speed Demon.

So we have a plot hole regarding speed?

He said kunais can't compete against bullets

If slow guys like Captain America and Daredevil can evade bullet fire then Gai or current Sasuke can easily do the same

[Locard]

^haha, the Cap and DD slow?

They can avoid bullets cause their REACTION speed is superhuman.

However, Spiderman can avoid a true Rain of bullets, he must react and move faster than sound in order to do that.

I remember a 2 page scene during a saga called ¨Return of the sinister six¨ , Spiderman was avoiding the gunfire of:

Dr.Octopus
The vulture
Hobgoblin
Electro
Mysterio
An horde of battle androids
THEY WERE ALL SHOOTING AT HIM , (they were all carrying advanced weapons, Doc Ock was using a machine gun in each tentacle)

Seriously, i dont see any character in Naruto (besides gated Gai/Lee) being
faster than Spidey. We can only blame the artistic minutia of mangakas, that will be always diferent from that of american comics.
And i remember the interview, kishimoto said bullets > ninjas, nothing about ruining the ambient.

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^haha, the Cap and DD slow?

They can avoid bullets cause their REACTION speed is superhuman.

However, Spiderman can avoid a true Rain of bullets, he must react and move faster than sound in order to do that.

Yet they can't beat Wolverine who is obviously many tiers below the main Naruto ninjas

I remember a 2 page scene during a saga called ¨Return of the sinister six¨ , Spiderman was avoiding the gunfire of:

Dr.Octopus
The vulture
Hobgoblin
Electro
Mysterio
An horde of battle androids
THEY WERE ALL SHOOTING AT HIM , (they were all carrying advanced weapons, Doc Ock was using a machine gun in each tentacle)

Comic rule. The more conventional the weapon, the lower the chance of it hitting

Do you honestly think Daredevil could evade fire from around 10 machine guns at a distance of less than 20 metres?

Seriously, i dont see any character in Naruto (besides gated Gai/Lee) being
faster than Spidey. We can only blame the artistic minutia of mangakas, that will be always diferent from that of american comics.

When did I mention Spidey? I was talking about Capt and DD

I don't remember any of them doing shunshin level speed

And i remember the interview, kishimoto said bullets > ninjas, nothing about ruining the ambient.

Show me the interview

[mystictrunks]

Yet they can't beat Wolverine who is obviously many tiers below the main Naruto ninjas



Comic rule. The more conventional the weapon, the lower the chance of it hitting

Do you honestly think Daredevil could evade fire from around 10 machine guns at a distance of less than 20 metres?



When did I mention Spidey? I was talking about Capt and DD

I don't remember any of them doing shunshin level speed



Show me the interview

Wolverine has centuries of combat experience,a healing factor,and an adamantium skeleton, and he's probably be able to take out many of the top tier naruto charecters.

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Wolverine has centuries of combat experience,a healing factor,and an adamantium skeleton, and he's probably be able to take out many of the top tier naruto charecters.

Thanks

I didn't not know any of that

[Comic Book Guy]

Wolverine is about to over 2 centuries old.

[~Shin~]

So, was it decided who won?

[Locard]

^ The interview was posted in a thread a long time ago, it originated a debate about if ninjas can really avoid bullets, and the bullets won.
You can search the thread in the Konoha library (im lazy right now to do it)

Daredevil has superhuman senses, he can hear the sound of the mechanism of a gun before the bullet is shot, he can ¨feel¨ any kind of things or people moving around him (kinda byakugan), so he knows if someone is pointing at him from behind or something. The Cap, uh, well cause he's THE Cap.
I agree that people like Daredevil or Batman belongs to the category of
¨supposedly peak humans always doing superhuman feats ¨

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^ The interview was posted in a thread a long time ago, it originated a debate about if ninjas can really avoid bullets, and the bullets won.
You can search the thread in the Konoha library (im lazy right now to do it)

What a forum decides does not override what the author says. He did not say bullets will instantly pwn ninjas, he said that a kunai can't compete against a gun

Daredevil has superhuman senses, he can hear the sound of the mechanism of a gun before the bullet is shot, he can ¨feel¨ any kind of things or people moving around him (kinda byakugan), so he knows if someone is pointing at him from behind or something. The Cap, uh, well cause he's THE Cap.

Think it was in a Frontline, DD had around 20 guys with machine guns all aimming at him (they all had the red lasers aimming at him). Do you think he can move fast enough that he could dodge every single bullet his way?

It's just like a random kunai won't kill, a gun won't kill (most of the time)

I agree that people like Daredevil or Batman belongs to the category of
¨supposedly peak humans always doing superhuman feats ¨

Which is stupid. the writers shouldn't wank all the characters all the time

[Naruto]

Batman is, among other things, a lucky guy. He knows it and stated it, and the fact that hes always smiling during those moments is part of what makes him cool. He doesnt dodge bullets as much as they simply dont hit him :P

Old Batman > Young Batman

I loved the black knight returns.

Anyway back ontopic...@firemind: I think spidey won this one. Dont know yet. Its my opinion here though, I'm not a huge fan of cross-universe fights.

[~Shin~]

^ The interview was posted in a thread a long time ago, it originated a debate about if ninjas can really avoid bullets, and the bullets won.
You can search the thread in the Konoha library (im lazy right now to do it)

Daredevil has superhuman senses, he can hear the sound of the mechanism of a gun before the bullet is shot, he can ¨feel¨ any kind of things or people moving around him (kinda byakugan), so he knows if someone is pointing at him from behind or something. The Cap, uh, well cause he's THE Cap.
I agree that people like Daredevil or Batman belongs to the category of
¨supposedly peak humans always doing superhuman feats ¨

If u and some other ppl want to believe that, then that's fine. Unless the author believes it, what u believe is pointless. Kishi never said guns>ninjas, all he said was that putting guns in a ninja world would ruin the whole theme of a ninja verse.

[Locard]

Which is stupid. the writers shouldn't wank all the characters all the time
Maybe, but what we should follow?
The stuff that's written in the databooks or the feats these characters do consistently?
The same thing can be applied to Naruto databooks, they dont really follow the manga. Do you really think that Kakashi > Sandaime, or that Kimimaro can shatter Gaara's sand with 3.0 in strenght when Gaara's defense is 5.0?

[Guy Gardner]

Gah. People who say that Guns>Ninjas should re-read the interview. It's not as though a ninja couldn't make targetting nigh impossible with quick movements, or have reaction times that would beat someone's trigger-pull times, along with their ability to judge trajectory... Guns in the hands of normal humans would be pretty useless. It's guns in the hands of other ninjas that Kishimoto wanted to prevent.

Why have Rasengan when I can just shoot someone with a pistol in the head?

[Naruto]

Why have Rasengan when I can just shoot someone with a pistol in the head?

Truly the best way to put it. Read this guy's post and get on with your lives, because thats all there is to it.

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Maybe, but what we should follow?
The stuff that's written in the databooks or the feats these characters do consistently?
The same thing can be applied to Naruto databooks, they dont really follow the manga. Do you really think that Kakashi > Sandaime, or that Kimimaro can shatter Gaara's sand with 3.0 in strenght when Gaara's defense is 5.0?

But databooks and Kishi are wrong!

[konflikti]

Think it was in a Frontline, DD had around 20 guys with machine guns all aimming at him (they all had the red lasers aimming at him). Do you think he can move fast enough that he could dodge every single bullet his way?

It's just like a random kunai won't kill, a gun won't kill (most of the time)

Which is stupid. the writers shouldn't wank all the characters all the time

Yes, if this happens say once or twice and other time DD has trouble dodging guns, then you can say that this was somewhat over what his character is able to do(haven't read DD at all, unluckily). But you can't just decide that this isn't real by just making somewhat logical assumption that it is impossible, when we're talking about a comic character.

I don't find Civil War that good of example for feats, since these massive storylines have couple "focus" characters that get away with shit that they shouldn't be able to get away, at all. Now I would be arguing against myself if it weren't for the fact that both Cap and Spidey have well established base stats. Cap floats way way up whenever the need rises and Spider-man himself isn't the most strict in his potrayal of speed and strenght. Nevertheless, if you ask me, any Marvel fan should know that Cap stand no damn chance against Spidey.

[Naruto]

Nevertheless, if you ask me, any Marvel fan should know that Cap stand no damn chance against Spidey.

I dot think that is entirely true. While I have no opinion whatsoever on the matter, Spider-Man respects Captain America. THAT much I know. Whenever he meets the cap, he learns something. He said it himself.

I have no idea who would win between the two. I will be frank, most of the times I've seen the cap in comics, he was paired with some other character I like, or some random issue i bought at the time because the latest spidey hadnt come out yet. Therefore i have like a dozen of comics from cap, and the oldest is like, what? 4 yrs old? That means I have little knowledge of the guy...but I hardly think spidey would respect someone THIS much (as a fighter) unless he was capable enough to impress spidey. Spidey gets paired up with a lot of ppl, but he rarely comments using the same tone he uses towards the Cap.

The boyscout may be a little queer, but I bet he is around Spidey's level, if not over it. Note: I honestly am not into Cap. America, I'm just letting you guys know what I picked up from the little I know.

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Yes, if this happens say once or twice and other time DD has trouble dodging guns, then you can say that this was somewhat over what his character is able to do(haven't read DD at all, unluckily). But you can't just decide that this isn't real by just making somewhat logical assumption that it is impossible, when we're talking about a comic character.

The thing is basically everyone and their grandma has had lots of guys shooting at them with machine guns and most of the time they've never been hit.

Remember when Capt was surrounded by guys who all started shooting at him. Do you think it's physically possible that Capt can spin his shield around him so fast that all the bullets are deflected by the shield? Remember this is when there are around 20 guys all around him

I don't find Civil War that good of example for feats, since these massive storylines have couple "focus" characters that get away with shit that they shouldn't be able to get away, at all. Now I would be arguing against myself if it weren't for the fact that both Cap and Spidey have well established base stats. Cap floats way way up whenever the need rises and Spider-man himself isn't the most strict in his potrayal of speed and strenght. Nevertheless, if you ask me, any Marvel fan should know that Cap stand no damn chance against Spidey.

Or DD. You see what DD did to Spidey in Civil War #4? Where's your spidey sense now

[Enclave]

I'm not going to go searching for a scan of one of Spidys speed blitzes however I will tell you probably the easiest scan to find of him doing it.

The easiest to find would probably be when Spidy fought Firelord. Now while I think the fact that Spidy won that fight was ridiculous I don't think it was due to bad writing on Spidys part but more on horrible writing done on Firelords part. Firelord was seriously seriously seriously under powered in their fight.

[konflikti]

The thing is basically everyone and their grandma has had lots of guys shooting at them with machine guns and most of the time they've never been hit.

Remember when Capt was surrounded by guys who all started shooting at him. Do you think it's physically possible that Capt can spin his shield around him so fast that all the bullets are deflected by the shield? Remember this is when there are around 20 guys all around him

Well, seems like he can. No wonder he could land hits on Spidey too.

Or DD. You see what DD did to Spidey in Civil War #4? Where's your spidey sense now

Hit him once in the fray. He is his friend(possibly no spider-sense triggering, or atleast that was a problem some time before).

[Guy Gardner]

Well, one should take into account that they were actually darts, not bullets. There is a HUGE difference in velocity and size.

But still, even then Capt should stand a chance against Pete. He's just one of those characters (Like Batman) whose singular gift is to be able to stand up to people he has absolutely no right in facing down.

[Locard]

^Batman is a peak human, Cap is a enhanced human, there's a difference.

[Naruto]

He's just one of those characters (Like Batman) whose singular gift is to be able to stand up to people he has absolutely no right in facing down.

I'm pretty sure his serum-powered body and combat experienced are a force to be reckoned with, but k.

[Enclave]

^Batman is a peak human, Cap is a enhanced human, there's a difference.

Ultimate Capt. is an enhanced human. 616 Capt. is peak human. However his peak human seems a little out there but again he is supposed to be peak. He has become an enhanced human at times but always seems to go back to peak.

Currently as I recall he is a peak human as he has no power-ups. Now it was an enhancement which gave him his peak human capabilities but still it only gave him the abilities of a peak human.

His endurance though isn't peak as he has neigh infinite endurance now that I think about it.

[Naruto]

Like...isn't a peak human just a regular, non super powered human, in amazing shape, so much that he can take his body to the extreme human level?

If so, then captain america isn't just a peak human. He is super powered.

[Enclave]

Like...isn't a peak human just a regular, non super powered human, in amazing shape, so much that he can take his body to the extreme human level?

If so, then captain america isn't just a peak human. He is super powered.

Peak human is anybody whos physical abilities are the very best a human can be. Most humans who are peak human are usually only Peak Human in specific categories (for example, Batman while peak human in strength isn't in agility while Dick Grayson as I recall isn't peak human in strength but is in agility).

Captain America on the other hand is peak human in every attribute so it is almost like being super human in that every ability of his is the best that a human can possibly be without actually being super human. Even his eye sight is peak human (he can actually see the darts shooting out of the guns traveling through the air and this is because his eyes are supposedly as good as human eyes can possibly be even if he is the only human who has eyes that good).

His only true super human stat is his endurance and that is as I recall because his body doesn't produce lactic acid or his body can remove it from his muscles as fast as he produces it or something along those lines. However if it is because his body can remove the lactic acid before it has a chance to build up it again could be considered a peak human trait much like his eyes. Theoretically humans can reach that level but none but him have and only he has because of the super soldier serum.

Of course this all hinges on if my memory on Captain Americas abilities is correct. He isn't one of my favorite characters so I could well be forgetting something or possibly mistaking something.

[Naruto]

Well that was quite informative, thank you.

I suppose spidey could own the crap out of him...

[Endless Mike]

The thing is, "Peak Humans" from Marvel and DC are pretty much far and above anything that is possible for a human in real life.

[Gunners]

The thing is, "Peak Humans" from Marvel and DC are pretty much far and above anything that is possible for a human in real life.

Yeah the term is pretty stupid. I think it was Gooba who said Captain America should be considered a meta or something. Like he is peaked out in all areas but you can't be the fastest and strongest possible down to body shape etc. which I agree with.

I have come to the realisation that peak humans in marvel verse is not equal to peak humans in our verse.

[Galt]

yeah, the assumption I think they make in DC and Marvel universes is that peak human is something that no one has ever come close to achieving, as though Olympic athletes are big slackers or something. :notrust

As far as you and I and ordinary people in this world are concerned, Batman, Captain America, etc. are all low-level metas. I can only assume they've got hyper-dense musculature and that Cap's non-fatigue factor really helps him deal with a whole lot of the feats that should be meta-level. It's tough to judge because that non-fatigue factor could really do a whole lot for any ordinary human.

[Neji]

Spiderman would win, kakashi is mere chuunin level

[Locard]

Peak human my ass. We can only blame Marvel for clasifying the Cap that way, which is ridiculous.

While Batman's feats can still be considered ¨peak human¨(with greats amounts of luck and nasty jobbing involved) most of the time,
The Cap is always doing metahuman feats, that cant be considered ¨¨peak human¨ by any means. Like throwing his shield faster than sound and intercepting a rocket in mid-air, bending a steel door having a broken shoulder or smack around iron Spidey.

[Comic Book Guy]

CA should be classified above metahuman.

[shadowlords]

man this isnt fair at all

spider man defnitely

[Gooba]

Yeah the term is pretty stupid. I think it was Gooba who said Captain America should be considered a meta or something. Like he is peaked out in all areas but you can't be the fastest and strongest possible down to body shape etc. which I agree with.

I have come to the realisation that peak humans in marvel verse is not equal to peak humans in our verse.I said it, but I'm not the only one. He has done ridiculous things, like running a 1 minute mile, and just being able to take some of the beatings he gets.

[Enclave]

I'm not saying it isn't ridiculous that he is considered Peak Human but that is what Marvel decided so it is what he technically is.

[Gunners]

I said it, but I'm not the only one. He has done ridiculous things, like running a 1 minute mile, and just being able to take some of the beatings he gets.

Agreed with what you said, ( and my memory isn't that bad :amuse). At one point I used to think peak humans in marvel were only capable of things humans in our world could acheive somewhat so it led me to underestimating peaked out characters.

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Personally I think Kakashi would win this match, some of it is down to bias still. I think in agility they are evenly matched, strength I think Spiderman takes it durability also. In technique and versitality I give it to Kakashi down to his Jutsu. In insight I don't know close combat I think the Sharingan wins over the spidersense but all around the spidersense down to it negating attacks from the blindside.

The thing I don't know about is his stingers, that isn't included in my vision really. I don't know much about it, what they look like, how fast they come out, or how deadly the poison is.

[The Wanderer]

I can help you with that.

Edit: Done

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A tiny scracth is all it takes to KO Kakashi.

[Naruto]

close combat I think the Sharingan wins over the spidersense

I disagree. The spidersense can help against blindspot attacks whereas the sharingan cant.

And...Kakashi does not have the strength to block spider-man's attacks =) If we were talking about a slower super-strength hero kakashi would have that in his favor, but spidey is fast enough to land a blow. SpiderSense>Sharingan.

[Gunners]

I disagree. The spidersense can help against blindspot attacks whereas the sharingan cant.
I metioned that in the sentence after what you qouted. Personally I think the Sharingan is more useful upfront but if you are a sitting duck or don't know the enemies location spidersense as it alerts you of danger.


And...Kakashi does not have the strength to block spider-man's attacks =) If we were talking about a slower super-strength hero kakashi would have that in his favor, but spidey is fast enough to land a blow. SpiderSense>Sharingan.

The sharingan is still useful too Kakashi as he can evade Spidermans attacks in the sense that he would see exactly where they are about too land. I didn't say Kakashi was stronger than Spiderman either I actually said Spiderman was stronger. I think in terms of Techinque Kakashi passes Spiderman which is why I give Kakashi the win along with a bias.

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And thanks for the picture, i will look into it.

[Naruto]

The sharingan is still useful too Kakashi as he can evade Spidermans attacks in the sense that he would see exactly where they are about too land. I didn't say Kakashi was stronger than Spiderman

Spiderman is fast enough to force kakashi into using the sharingan to both avoid and block attacks. Hence why I mentioned spiderman's strength, and how kakashi cant block it. Trying to block an unrestrained spiderman punch leaves u with a broken arm, period.

No offense but i think ure overestimating the sharingan. Kakashi cant avoid everything up close, otherwise he would own any close distance fighter x_x and thats not the case (we know that gai is at kakashi's level, so even if kakashi>gai, he cant OWN him. Since taijutsu is gai's main asset, im guessing gai is capable of landing blows on kakashi. Its also, IMO, safe to assume that tsunade>kakashi, and shes a close distance fighter.)
The reason why taijutsu is so hard to pull out against Kakashi is because he can predict where the blow is going to land, and thus avoid it, or if your body isnt fast enough to avoid that blow, attempt to block it. Spidey CAN speedblitz a foe with punches, to a point where kakashi would need to block.

Spider sense > chidori imo. So Kakashi has 1 option: genjutsu. If spidey isnt aware of what he is going to do, and allows him to do it, he is done for. However if pete is having a bad day kakashi wont be fast enough to genjutsu him. Itachi would though. (curses itachi/hates him secretly)

[Gunners]

Spiderman is fast enough to force kakashi into using the sharingan to both avoid and block attacks. Hence why I mentioned spiderman's strength, and how kakashi cant block it. Trying to block an unrestrained spiderman punch leaves u with a broken arm, period.

To be honest I don't see why Kakashi would have to use his hands to block actacks, even so he could use Spidies force against him. Sharingan would see where his punch is heading before he has thrown it, personally I don't see Spiderman as that fast of a character to bipass this.

No offense but i think ure overestimating the sharingan. Kakashi cant avoid everything up close, otherwise he would own any close distance fighter x_x and thats not the case (we know that gai is at kakashi's level, so even if kakashi>gai, he cant OWN him. Since taijutsu is gai's main asset, im guessing gai is capable of landing blows on kakashi. Its also, IMO, safe to assume that tsunade>kakashi, and shes a close distance fighter.)

Gai actually developed a way to fight against Kakashi's sharigan, that is another thing Spiderman can not glance in kakashi eyes he risks being placed in a Genjutsu but I don't care for this scenario. In close combat Gai developed a style for the Sharingan, Tsunade has a lot of Jutsus to her Arsenal. A regular Taijutsu user against a Sharingan user would get a spanking.

The reason why taijutsu is so hard to pull out against Kakashi is because he can predict where the blow is going to land, and thus avoid it, or if your body isnt fast enough to avoid that blow, attempt to block it. Spidey CAN speedblitz a foe with punches, to a point where kakashi would need to block.

Can you show me this speed then. I don't really know Spidermans speed from what I have seen I don't think it is too much for Kakashi.


Spider sense > chidori imo. So Kakashi has 1 option: genjutsu. If spidey isnt aware of what he is going to do, and allows him to do it, he is done for. However if pete is having a bad day kakashi wont be fast enough to genjutsu him. Itachi would though. (curses itachi/hates him secretly)

Where did I metion Chidori? He has other Jutsus you know and Kakashi if he was trying to land a Jutsu he would actually try to place it up so Spidy would get his he wouldn't just shoot them at random. I guess Spiderman would also have a part to play in how he acts etc.

[Naruto]

Where did I metion Chidori?

Mate I'm not here to bash your theories, you didn't mention chidori, I did. its a discussion, and I'm making an analysis :)

I know its pretty convenient of me NOT go look for scans, but quite honestly I don't have the patience for it.

Since marvel doesn't do things using the anime style "flicker" where characters disappear from sight, they do it in a more subtle way. Spidey can vanish from sight, but that only happens when you look away - even if its just for a split second - but it does happen. That (imo) is the equivalent of the flicker. Now, disregarding the animated series/movies, and looking into the comics, I can safely say that Spider-Man's movements in battle as AT LEAST as fast as kakashi's. Rampaged, I dare to say they are faster. People just dont realize because of that nasty poison that is the motion picture.

Assuming though, that kakashi COULD dodge all his moves (again, imo he cant) Spidey WILL catch him in his web. Why? Theres no way to dodge it, one of the many ways he has to spin web consists of spinning an actual web tapestry as the web is shot (which covers a large area). This is done from one panel to another, thats blazing fast by any comic's standards. The web is also as hard as steel. Believe it or not, Spidey has also different kinds of cartridges which contain special compound-web with certain properties. Even if we assume Kakashi can chidori out of the web (i actually think he can) I bet kakashi will run out of chidoris far earlier than pete runs out of web (unless peter forgets to recharge before leaving home, which happens a lot, lol).

And I think we agree that if kakashi gets caught, he dies.

Another thing that Spider has over Kakashi is stamina. He once fought and was chased through the entire city by morlan, for 6 hours (I think it was either 6 or 8, but ill go with 6. this isnt an assumption, he actually said it because he was getting tired). We know that extensive use of the Sharingan eventually knocks out Kakashi. It would be generous enough to say that any battle lasting 2 hours or more will degrade his condition VERY much.

So you see, even if kakashi can dodge Spidey's blows, the spider sense allows Peter to do the same. In the end, spiderman wins.

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About those stinger things, I don't think Spidey can control them properly

[Rainstorm]

Can anyone say Maximum Spider? Seriously. An Ultimate Web Throw would kill Kakashi.

[Comic Book Guy]

Since when does Marvel vs. Capcom is equal to comicdom?

[Dark Evangel]

I say spiderman has more durability. He survived at Hulk's punch

[Xell]

What the hell?! Kakashi would get completely OWNED!! Come on..

[Havoc]

What the hell?! Kakashi would get completely OWNED!! Come on..

Well obviously. But having a debate is more entertaining imo.

[Enclave]

Can you show me this speed then. I don't really know Spidermans speed from what I have seen I don't think it is too much for Kakashi.

I've already mentioned this. If you want to see what people are talking about when they mention Spidys speed look at his fights with Hulk and other heavy hitters. Spidy is a true speedster, sure he isn't on the level of Quicksilver or anything but he is actually fast enough to hit/catch speedsters.

Also as I said before, if you want to see speed blitzing Spidy the easiest scan to find would probably be his fight against Firelord. You see his speed in that. It really is beyond Kakashi.

Think of it like this. His speed combined with his spider-sense gives him the ability to fight Hulk without Hulk even laying a hand on him usually. Hulk by the way has caught Silver Surfer mid-flight. Spidy is just that damned fast. Sure he isn't Silver Surfer mid-flight fast but even so that is bloody fast as hell to avoid Hulk as Hulk himself is bloody fast.

About those stinger things, I don't think Spidey can control them properly

He can control them at will, just they are fairly new to him and his instincts since The Other have been a bit on over-drive so his instincts forced the stingers out.

Also as I said before, Spidy is much faster than Kakashi so I can't see Kakashi having much hope in

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He can control them at will, just they are fairly new to him and his instincts since The Other have been a bit on over-drive so his instincts forced the stingers out.

Any scans showing him using them casually? I think I might have missed that

Also as I said before, Spidy is much faster than Kakashi so I can't see Kakashi having much hope in

He's allot faster than Cap yet Cap wins all of their fights

[Enclave]

Any scans showing him using them casually? I think I might have missed that

I would have to look through my recent spidy comics. I seem to recall him extending them once shortly after his revival to make some joke about them.


He's allot faster than Cap yet Cap wins all of their fights

Not a good comparison. Spidy wouldn't suffer the massive hero worship he has while fighting Capt. if he was fighting Kakashi. Not to mention the fact that in their most recent fights Spidy did have control of their fight once he got out of melee range of Capt. Even took away his shield.

Anyways, any showing of Capt. beating on Parker is really just bad writing but he is Captain America, it is what he does. If Captain America fought Kakashi I can assure you Kakashi would be down for the count with Capt. having barely a scratch on him simply because he is Captain America.

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Not a good comparison. Spidy wouldn't suffer the massive hero worship he has while fighting Capt. if he was fighting Kakashi. Not to mention the fact that in their most recent fights Spidy did have control of their fight once he got out of melee range of Capt. Even took away his shield.

Yet in taking away his shield, Capt basically speedblitzed him (somehow) and nearly knocked Petey out

Anyways, any showing of Capt. beating on Parker is really just bad writing but he is Captain America, it is what he does. If Captain America fought Kakashi I can assure you Kakashi would be down for the count with Capt. having barely a scratch on him simply because he is Captain America.

That I completely agree with. In Onslaught Reborn #2, Capt was owning Onslaught

[Enclave]

Yet in taking away his shield, Capt basically speedblitzed him (somehow) and nearly knocked Petey out

That was not a speed blitz, hell Steve isn't even capable of speed blitzes. Spidy suffers from hero worship of Captain America. It is the only explanation for him standing a snowballs chance in hell against Parker.



That I completely agree with. In Onslaught Reborn #2, Capt was owning Onslaught

See things like that is just terrible writing akin to when Parker beat Firelord.

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That was not a speed blitz, hell Steve isn't even capable of speed blitzes. Spidy suffers from hero worship of Captain America. It is the only explanation for him standing a snowballs chance in hell against Parker.

That or Marvel just conveniently forget that Spidey is physically superior to Steve in every way

See things like that is just terrible writing akin to when Parker beat Firelord.

Very true

[Naruto]

I've been away from comics for years, and I saw cap mostly in crossovers, and always on spidey's team. When did these Cap > Spidey beatings began?