Sannin and Third Hokage vs. Fantastic Four

[satanchrist]

This is Sannin pwnage all the way. So what if the Human Torch can fly or Mr. Fantastic can escape anyone's grasp they still loose. I mean unless you cut her head off Tsunade is practically immortal. Jiraiya and Orochimaru are also incredibly strong. And the third is with them. I bet even as little kids they could take out the Fantastic Four. Although in this fight they are in their current forms.

[Giovanni Rild]

This is Sannin pwnage all the way. So what if the Human Torch can fly or Mr. Fantastic can escape anyone's grasp they still loose. I mean unless you cut her head off Tsunade is practically immortal. Jiraiya and Orochimaru are also incredibly strong. And the third is with them. I bet even as little kids they could take out the Fantastic Four. Although in this fight they are in their current forms.

This thread Fails. The geezer team gets wiped out

[Suzumebachi]

Fantastic Four wins.

Invisible Woman smashes them with Force Mallets or traps them in force fields or just makes force fields in their brains.

[Guy Gardner]

"Good thing I built my 'anti-ninja ray' for just such an eventuality!"
- Reed Richards

[Endless Mike]

Torch goes nova.

GG.

[Locard]

The sannin and Sarutobi are screwed

How the hell can they survive the Nova Flame? How can they break Sue's force field? How can they hurt the Thing?

Add Gamabunta and all the summons and they still lose.

Sue can simply cover her teammates with the field while Torch burns the nin to ashes.

I mean unless you cut her head off Tsunade is practically immortalWrong. She can only use the genesis rebirth once, so you can kill her before she uses it, or wait til she uses it and then kill her. Oro has more of immortal than her.

I bet even as little kids they could take out the Fantastic Four. Although in this fight they are in their current forms.LOL. it's obvious that you dont know a damn thing about the F4 besides the way they look.

[Emery]

The real question is; How do you want the ninjas to die?

Thing could squeeze their heads till their brains pop out..
Reed with 5 minutes of prep can build a photon cannon...
Johnny farts fire on them
Sue makes a forcefeild around their brain. She could make one around their hearts and stop the blood flow...endless possibilities.

[jplaya2023]

3nd hokage with those big ass suitons >>>>>>>>>>>>> johnny storm

tsunade with her crazy ass strength, and healing abilities and summons >>>> sue storm

Jirayri with his summons, rasengen and toad stomach >>>>> ben grimm (or that robot if u go by tv cartoon series)

Oro with edo tensai, immortalitiy, regen, manda, and 1000+ jutso's >>>> stretch armstrong

[Endless Mike]

3nd hokage with those big ass suitons >>>>>>>>>>>>> johnny storm

It's the second Hokage who uses Suitons, Einstein.

And I fail to see how a wall of water a dozen meters high can defeat the Nova Flames which can burn off the atmosphere of an entire planet.

tsunade with her crazy ass strength, and healing abilities and summons >>>> sue storm

Until Sue forms a forcefield bubble in her brain and explodes it from the inside....

Jirayri with his summons, rasengen and toad stomach >>>>> ben grimm (or that robot if u go by tv cartoon series)

Rasengan wouldn't even scratch Thing, He could simply punch through the stomach, and one - hit KO Jiraiya. That is his name, BTW. JIRAIYA.

Oro with edo tensai, immortalitiy, regen, manda, and 1000+ jutso's >>>> stretch armstrong

Since when does he have over 1000 jutsus?

Reed can just suffocate him by covering his mouth and nose with his elasticity.

[Vicious]

reed richards FTW...

[Gooba]

I think any 1 member of the FF could win this fight alone.

[Khan]

Fantastic Four all the way. The years of them fighting together has led them able to attack together in an effective manner with different strategies. Although one might say the same for the Sannin, the bickering and lack of unity would ultimately result in their loss to the F4.

[Giovanni Rild]

I think any 1 member of the FF could win this fight alone.

I dunno bout that. I think they can beat Thing by himself

[Gooba]

I dunno bout that. I think they can beat Thing by himself He is the only one I am not sure about, but my gut says his strength and durability are enough to take whatever they throw at him.

[Locard]

3nd hokage with those big ass suitons >>>>>>>>>>>>> johnny storm
What suitons? what are you talking about?

tsunade with her crazy ass strength, and healing abilities and summons >>>> sue stormlol. Fail

Jirayri with his summons, rasengen and toad stomach >>>>> ben grimm (or that robot if u go by tv cartoon series)Rasengan wouldn't bother Ben, im sure.

Oro with edo tensai, immortalitiy, regen, manda, and 1000+ jutso's >>>> stretch armstrongYou mean, until Torch burns him to ashes along with Manda, or Sue squashes him with a giant invisible mallet?

I think any 1 member of the FF could win this fight alone. Not sure about Ben or Reed , but Sue and Johnny can definetly solo this one.

[Suzumebachi]

:cry at people paying attention to jplaya.

[Galt]

3nd hokage with those big ass suitons >>>>>>>>>>>>> johnny storm

lol...3nd.

[Geese]

Any one of the FF could take this alone. This is a joke.

[Cthulhu-versailles]

I think any 1 member of the FF could win this fight alone.

nah, Thing would lose alone. Stop overestimating him.
Reed without Preptime might also lose alone.
Invincible woman on the otherhand kills everyone here including her own teamates with ease if she goes crazy from the start....
Jonny is kinda lame... with dat nova flame.:nuts With that though, as long as he uses it right away he decimates any ninja play.:laugh

---

[Kazuma the Shell Bullet]

Johnny goes Nova and kills them instantly

[Halcyon Days]

Fantastic 4 ......IT'S CLOBERRING TIME!!!!!!!

[Darklyre]

Johnny goes Nova just in time to hear Sue say "All done!" after she throws a forcefield in their brains.

[Kuya]

This is a bad Narutoverse combo to fight the Fantastic 4. F4 wins.

[Art of Run]

Give reed Richards Millisecond prep time and he makes an anti-ninja nuke.

[Locard]

This is a bad Narutoverse combo to fight the Fantastic 4. F4 wins.
Pick any Naruto combo you want and they still die.

i mean, the F4 going all out could wipe the whole Narutoworld clean.

[jplaya2023]

What suitons? what are you talking about?
lol. Fail

3rd had the ability to combine elements he can use sutons as well

big ass suiton >>>>> johnny storm


Rasengan wouldn't bother Ben, im sure.

maybe not but it will send him flying 100 miles away possible KO him

You mean, until Torch burns him to ashes along with Manda, or Sue squashes him with a giant invisible mallet?

no you got it wrong, Oro uses his paralysis jutso and manda eats him.

Not sure about Ben or Reed , but Sue and Johnny can definetly solo this one.

your full of shit johnny has no chance against sutons and sue storm is relatively weak in battle she just has weird powers.

[Shadow Replication 1480]

A small ass suiton is supposed to stop a guy that can burn as hot as an exploding star? Do you know how fucking stupid that sounds? Also, if you know how to effectively use your powers in battle, it doesn't make you weak.

[jplaya2023]

A small ass suiton is supposed to stop a guy that can burn as hot as an exploding star? Do you know how fucking stupid that sounds? Also, if you know how to effectively use your powers in battle, it doesn't make you weak.

water >>> fire

basic science

[Art of Run]

water >>> fire

basic science

No its Water>>>><<<<Fire. Basic science.

[jplaya2023]

No its Water>>>><<<<Fire. Basic science.

water puts out fiya everytime

water wins

iceman >>> johnny storm

[Nice Gai]

Ben would kick the Summons ass. Ben maybe a little to slow for this match. So it more less the FF Team will set up the Sannins to get hit. I would love to see Tsuande hit Ben and see what happens. Sue is the real winner. She is just to powerful. She got so many ways to kill them. Probably without sue we may have a fair match.

[Art of Run]

water puts out fiya everytime

water wins

iceman >>> johnny storm

No water collides with fire. Fire can dissolve water and water can put out fire. It depends. Say A blast fo fire was being concentrated on a lake, The fire would make the water become a gas. If a fire hose was being shot at a tree on fire, It would put the fire out. See what i mean?

[jplaya2023]

No water collides with fire. Fire can dissolve water and water can put out fire. It depends. Say A blast fo fire was being concentrated on a lake, The fire would make the water become a gas. If a fire hose was being shot at a tree on fire, It would put the fire out. See what i mean?

yeah but we just talking about the basics dawg, gasoline fiya different

[Powdered Toast Man]

...ummmm Sue Storm can solo this no?

[Galt]

water puts out fiya everytime

water wins

iceman >>> johnny storm

Iceman >>> johnny storm because he's a fucking omega, he has no limitations. You're comparing a glacier with a matchstick.

And contrary to your kindergarten level science, water does not put out "fiya" every time, "dawg." Not a fire hot enough to vaporize the water before it comes within a hundred meters of the flames.

[Nice Gai]

...ummmm Sue Storm can solo this no?

Sue cam take them solo. Depending on how Genjustu works. Since she doesnt have Charka. If no Genjustu stuff then Sue can just sufficate them. Or put a invisible ball inside there stomach and make it grow.

[Kisame]

...ummmm Sue Storm can solo this no?


Yes ,yes she can.

Depending on how Genjustu works.


Even then we havent even seen Sandaime or the sannin cast a genjutsu anyway.

Takes a special ninja to use genjutsu just like any other ninja technique.

We would have to assume they even had a decent genjutsu in the first place then we would have to assume they somehow knew that other party had no idea about genjutsus.

[Nice Gai]

I forgot Reed put anti-genjustu fabric in their clothing.

[Sasori]

water puts out fiya everytime

water winsMake a bonfire.

Spit on it.

[exmorte]

Just for arguments sake, has jhonny not been put out by firehydrants before?

But anyways Sue is overkill, so F4 win.

[Art of Run]

Make a bonfire.

Spit on it.

And the fire gets put out [sarcasm]

[Locard]

3rd had the ability to combine elements he can use sutons as well
big ass suiton >>>>> johnny storm

1- You should stop assuming things, we have never seen the 3rd using suiton.
2- The Torch being stopped by simply water? if bullets melt before reaching him what the hell can do some silly suitons? And if he goes nova you can spit a whole ocean over him, the water will just vaporize.

maybe not but it will send him flying 100 miles away possible KO him

To do that to Ben, the rasengan must be at the power level of Gladiator. You think the rasengan is class 100 or something? (If that's the case Naruto would be above sannin level already)
And we have never seen Jiraiya using rasengan in combat, i bet is even weaker than Yondaime's

no you got it wrong, Oro uses his paralysis jutso and manda eats him.

hahah, try to use some genjutsu that requires eye contact in someone who's invisible. Or in someone that can burn you to a crisp from 100 miles away.

Manda eating Johnny? lol. i dont think Manda is stupid enough to try to eat something as hot as a star



And yeah, Sue's powers are weird, so weird that she alone would kill the sannin without breaking a sweat. Just put a giant bubble around them and wait til they suffocate, make them explode from inside with a force field, squash them like bugs, barrage them with thousands of invisible daggers, etc.


And Reed is also no pushover even without preptime.

Remember when he got berserk and was fighting toe-to-toe with Onslaught's
physical form?
It was stated that he can increase his strenght to the level of the Thing if he wants to.

No contest. The nins are screwed.

[Kisame]

1- You should stop assuming things, we have never seen the 3rd using suiton.


Pretty sure he can tho. Not that it changes anything.

[Hamaru]

Oro would scare Mr and Mrs fantastic crapless with a stare, Summon up the 2 Hokages and put johny's flams out with water, then Tsunade would flash the Thing right befor Jiriya blows him away with Rasiengan

[Kazuma the Shell Bullet]

Oro would scare Mr and Mrs fantastic crapless with a stare, Summon up the 2 Hokages and put johny's flams out with water, then Tsunade would flash the Thing right befor Jiriya blows him away with Rasiengan
You're kidding right?

[GaaraFromTheHood]

Exactly what Sue Richards can do against a genjutsu by Oro? Her forcefields are invisible so she'll be defenseless. If she becomes invisible, it won't matter because the sannin can feel her and pwn her. Who's going to defend her if they have some summons and edo tenseis are attacking her and the others? Ben is going to take on Manda, Gamabunta, the slug, Emma, and whomever is summoned (example: Sasori, Hatake Sakumo, The 4th - assuming he's dead...)

Think before you post that one particular power can trump anything, ninjas happen to be faster than normal fighters, and these ninjas can actually go underground, so I don't see how sue is going to do her force fields unless the ninjas are out in the open. Plus she still has to deal with the rest of the fighters I mentioned.

As for Ben, he's strong, everything you want to say, but if he's in that frog stomach he's not coming out, or even in the swamp, what exactly he's going to do? wait for johnny to rescue him? The only reason Itachi and Kisame came out is because Amaterasu happens to be hotter than the sun (and that includes an exploding star, which the son is, so don't bring up that nova). Also we are forgetting Tsunade's strength, which should be comparable to some of the strongest in the comic universe. Plus she's waaaaayyyy faster than ben and can dodge much better.

REed richards, he needs PREP time, which ninjas will not give you, so WTF is his elasticity going to do against some 60 foot Snake munching his ass? No prep time for his ass. We sending 2 summons at him just to be safe.

As for Johnny and his nova flame, if that's the only attack they are going to use, I guess they have something going.....I still think they can be protected by Emma (durable as diamond) in some way and survive, because the other FF I'm assuming are going to be surrounded by Sue's force field. After that is over, then I don't think the flying torch lasts long against Oro and Manda.

Also all the ninjas involved can do clones and confuse the fantastic four, so Sue's techniques will be useless.

You guys are overestimating the FF and understimating the ninjas in Naruto.

[Gooba]

Exactly what Sue Richards can do against a genjutsu by Oro? Her forcefields are invisible so she'll be defenseless. If she becomes invisible, it won't matter because the sannin can feel her and pwn her. Who's going to defend her if they have some summons and edo tenseis are attacking her and the others? Ben is going to take on Manda, Gamabunta, the slug, Emma, and whomever is summoned (example: Sasori, Hatake Sakumo, The 4th - assuming he's dead...)

Think before you post that one particular power can trump anything, ninjas happen to be faster than normal fighters, and these ninjas can actually go underground, so I don't see how sue is going to do her force fields unless the ninjas are out in the open. Plus she still has to deal with the rest of the fighters I mentioned.

As for Ben, he's strong, everything you want to say, but if he's in that frog stomach he's not coming out, or even in the swamp, what exactly he's going to do? wait for johnny to rescue him? The only reason Itachi and Kisame came out is because Amaterasu happens to be hotter than the sun (and that includes an exploding star, which the son is, so don't bring up that nova). Also we are forgetting Tsunade's strength, which should be comparable to some of the strongest in the comic universe. Plus she's waaaaayyyy faster than ben and can dodge much better.

REed richards, he needs PREP time, which ninjas will not give you, so WTF is his elasticity going to do against some 60 foot Snake munching his ass? No prep time for his ass. We sending 2 summons at him just to be safe.

As for Johnny and his nova flame, if that's the only attack they are going to use, I guess they have something going.....I still think they can be protected by Emma (durable as diamond) in some way and survive, because the other FF I'm assuming are going to be surrounded by Sue's force field. After that is over, then I don't think the flying torch lasts long against Oro and Manda.

Also all the ninjas involved can do clones and confuse the fantastic four, so Sue's techniques will be useless.

You guys are overestimating the FF and understimating the ninjas in Naruto.Explain how the Sannin + Sandaime survive being subjected to temperatures hotter than the sun in the first .001 seconds of the fight. Don't say a suiton, because that would be as worthless as spitting on a bonfire. Sue could put up a forcefield around all 4 and be invisible, and protected from any attacks they could try even if they could find them. While they run around outside, trying to figure a way in, or a way to find them, she causes a clot in their brain. You ask what good is stretchiness against a summon munching on his ass. The answer is simple, it makes the summon's munching 100% harmless, and it allows him to suffocate the summon at the same time.

[Guy Gardner]

Killer intent is useless against people that have stood in the presence of multiple galaxy-destroying entities, uber-powerful dimensional beings, and even that of God himself.

I doubt it'd elicit more than a '... facinating." from Reed.

At any rate...

Exactly what Sue Richards can do against a genjutsu by Oro? Her forcefields are invisible so she'll be defenseless. If she becomes invisible, it won't matter because the sannin can feel her and pwn her. Who's going to defend her if they have some summons and edo tenseis are attacking her and the others? Ben is going to take on Manda, Gamabunta, the slug, Emma, and whomever is summoned (example: Sasori, Hatake Sakumo, The 4th - assuming he's dead...)

First off, we have yet to see any Genjutsus from Orochimaru. If you are talking about Killer Intent, the Fantastic Four have seen worse. In Naruto, Killer Intent occurs when you are going up against something far more powerful than you; F4 have fought Galactus on multiple occasions. I don't think a freaky snake guy is going to really do much there.

Plus Edo Tensai's are useless. She'll just keep them trapped in a shrinking forcefield and crush them like a trash compactor. By the by, her forcefield could easily hold up to the summons.

And what the hell can they do against someone who is invisible? They've never been shown to find a person that is invisible. And being invisible doesn't negate her forcefields.


Think before you post that one particular power can trump anything, ninjas happen to be faster than normal fighters, and these ninjas can actually go underground, so I don't see how sue is going to do her force fields unless the ninjas are out in the open. Plus she still has to deal with the rest of the fighters I mentioned.

This works against people who don't have defenses (Like the X-Men), but we have Sue's Forcefields, Johnny's incredible heat (Yeah, let's see someone try and punch that), Thing's rock hide, and Mr. Fantastic's natural durability (Everything basically bounces off him), nothing the nins will do can really effect them.

Speed isn't a problem when it can't be utilized offensively.


As for Ben, he's strong, everything you want to say, but if he's in that frog stomach he's not coming out, or even in the swamp, what exactly he's going to do? wait for johnny to rescue him? The only reason Itachi and Kisame came out is because Amaterasu happens to be hotter than the sun (and that includes an exploding star, which the son is, so don't bring up that nova). Also we are forgetting Tsunade's strength, which should be comparable to some of the strongest in the comic universe. Plus she's waaaaayyyy faster than ben and can dodge much better.

He'll rip through the frog stomach no problem. That's not even debatable: Even if it's fireproof, it was still getting cut by Kisame's blade. Just because they don't have enough strength to do it doesn't mean Ben couldn't.

The swamp is negilible because Sue can simply put a Forcefield underneath him. That'd probably hinder the Naruto people by creating a place that their summons can't travel, as well.

Amaterasu includes an exploding sun? What the hell!? Since when, because nothing like that is ever mentioned ever.


REed richards, he needs PREP time, which ninjas will not give you, so WTF is his elasticity going to do against some 60 foot Snake munching his ass? No prep time for his ass. We sending 2 summons at him just to be safe.


His elasticity gives him a near invulnerability to conventional objects, along with an ability to dodge and contain people that is almost unparalleled.


As for Johnny and his nova flame, if that's the only attack they are going to use, I guess they have something going.....I still think they can be protected by Emma (durable as diamond) in some way and survive, because the other FF I'm assuming are going to be surrounded by Sue's force field. After that is over, then I don't think the flying torch lasts long against Oro and Manda.

ENMA PROTECTING THEM?

Enma's cage had HOLES. Even if that, Enma needs air, something that wouldn't BE THERE if Johnny goes Nova, not to mention the oven he's just created by sealing all the Naruto nins inside. Congrats, you just cooked them alive.

[Galt]

Incidentally, you'd be an idiot to assume Amaterasu is really as hot as the sun, when it's a fun bit of scientific trivia that a grain of sand that hot would cook, and I mean burn to a crisp, a person over a mile away, from residual heat alone. If Amaterasu were truly that hot, that whole town would probably have been up in flames, and Naruto and Jiraiya wouldn't even have ashes left to speak of.

Learn to tell the difference between fact and poetic exaggeration, people. :notrust

[Endless Mike]

Incidentally, you'd be an idiot to assume Amaterasu is really as hot as the sun, when it's a fun bit of scientific trivia that a grain of sand that hot would cook, and I mean burn to a crisp, a person over a mile away, from residual heat alone. If Amaterasu were truly that hot, that whole town would probably have been up in flames, and Naruto and Jiraiya wouldn't even have ashes left to speak of.

Learn to tell the difference between fact and poetic exaggeration, people. :notrust

That's not actually true, it's completely possible that it's as hot as the surface of the sun, because energy matters much more than heat. Plasma torches, lightning bolts, and even sparklers can attain temperatures as hot or hotter than the surface of the sun, but they aren't super destructive because they don't have anywhere near as much energy as the sun.

[Galt]

I'd say it probably is true considering amaterasu is supposed to burn continually for seven days and seven nights. It's not like a sparkler that can sometimes achieve briefly that kind of temperature. However, your point is well-made. I still maintain there would've been more collateral damage to the surroundings if it were really as hot as claimed.

[Locard]

Exactly what Sue Richards can do against a genjutsu by Oro?

As if you could make eye contact with someone invisible.

Moreover, Oro's glare isn't preciselly ¨genjutsu¨, it's just his killer intent. Do you seriously think that a team that fights Cosmic level threats in a daily basis would be scared with Oro's ugly mug?

Her forcefields are invisible so she'll be defenseless.

If she becomes invisible, it won't matter because the sannin can feel her and pwn her. Who's going to defend her if they have some summons and edo tenseis are attacking her and the others?

* sarcastic* yeah, defenseless with her multiple force fields she can project simultaneously to protect herself and destroy enemies from miles away, she can also use them to levitate herself and are durable enough to withstand things such as Wolverine's claws or punches from the Thing.
The sannin can feel her? haha, since when Naruto became Dragonball?

Ben is going to take on Manda, Gamabunta, the slug, Emma, and whomever is summoned (example: Sasori, Hatake Sakumo, The 4th - assuming he's dead...)

Ben is not alone remember? and if he can fight toe-to-toe with the strongest characters in marvel some stupid animals wouldn't give him trouble. Ben is more durable than anything in Narutoworld, his stamina is monstrous and his senses are enhanced too.
Hatake Sakumo? Sasori? what the hell can they do? Cheer?

Think before you post that one particular power can trump anything, ninjas happen to be faster than normal fighters,

*sarcasm* Yeah, they surely are faster than Johnny that can surpass the speed of sound

and these ninjas can actually go underground, so I don't see how sue is going to do her force fields unless the ninjas are out in the open. Plus she still has to deal with the rest of the fighters I mentioned.

No, you think and do some research before ranting crap. It's obvious you dont know anything about the F4 powers

You guys are overestimating the FF and understimating the ninjas in Naruto.
All the things you are claiming are totally wrong.

[Gooba]

Whoa, calm down JaR. I agree with your points but be nicer, he might have been incorrect but at least he did it respectfully.

I think that is hyperbole with the Amaretsu, but either way it doesn't matter in this fight.

[Guy Gardner]

...

Yeah. Lemme change those. Appologies...

[Suzumebachi]

Also we are forgetting Tsunade's strength, which should be comparable to some of the strongest in the comic universe.

Laughing out loud.

[GaaraFromTheHood]

Whoa, calm down JaR. I agree with your points but be nicer, he might have been incorrect but at least he did it respectfully.

I think that is hyperbole with the Amaretsu, but either way it doesn't matter in this fight.

I'm sorry all you comic guys, I'm just trying to make a decent case with the knowledge I have from naruto. The purpose is for you guys to counter my arguments, because obviously everybody seems soo sure that the FF can take this, that I'm starting to wonder how powerful these comic book characters are.

About the Amaterasu, it wasn't a hyperbole, it was said to be as hot or hotter than the sun, but I guess it doesn't matter when you have a force field...

I think is fair to assume that most ninjas can do some type of genjutsu. Is not like it is a special ability, is just a type of fighting, like ninjitsu and taijitsu are. So forget killer intent, probably some low level genjutsu can probably get them.

I didn't know johnny storm was as fast as the speed of the sound.... Umm still I think the clones/fake bunshins would give the FF problems. All this under the assumption that Nova power is like their last resort, cause' it seems a lil' overpowered to be used at will (don't think he wants to kill the earth's atmosphere)
About sue's forcefields, they are not unlimited, so even if she's invisible (and we all know they can just send bunshins to look for her location) and she's protected under one, they are not going to last forever, and I don't think she'll be able to cast forcefields on everybody's brains at once, and even more when she doesn't know which one is the true ninja attacking her.

About ben's power, I guess genjutsu with him, and maybe swamp of the underworld can hold him down. And nobody thinks a Tsunade punch can at least knock him out? I guess not....

About Reed's elasticity, I really think that he's the weakest link here, because some katons by oro can do him in. Also I don't see how they can get out of the frog's stomach if say sue and reed are trapped in there. Then you deal with ben and johnny.

Be kind people, this is a battle, so we need to make it intersting.

[Vynjira]

Sue's Force fields are ridiculously powerful, Stuff like Torch goin Nova doesn't normally press her against her limits. Torch's powers are stupid powerful, EITHER of these 2 could solo the all 4 of them. Seriously there isn't enough water on the earth to douse Johny. If all 4 of them used all the Water Jutsu's they could summon ALL their Chakra the water would be flash vaporised infact they'd prolly be burned by the steam... Invisible Woman could kill everyone on her own team if she wanted. She's nowhere near weak as said before she could just create brain clots in all 4, game over. I can't remember the exact number but I believe she can use to crush with around 1million tons of force.. Something like that. Thing is prolly the weakest member of the team I'm not sure he could beat all 4. Richards would cover his back tho as Reed could build a stasis field out of a tree, somehow...

[Louis-954]

I cant believe people are actually saying that team Sarutobi takes this.....

[Kisame]

I cant believe people are actually saying that team Sarutobi takes this.....


I mean if people say itachi can beat galactus is this really hard to see them voting for Sandaime and the three pips

I know one person who thinks Tsunade is strong as a super saiya-jin.

[Louis-954]

^ LMFAO thats hilarious.

[Kazuma the Shell Bullet]

II know one person who thinks Tsunade is strong as a super saiya-jin.

Wow, even jplaya isnt that dumb.

Tsunade isnt that strong compared to other verses. Hell, 1 hit from someone like Luffy and she's dead

[TRTrunks]

the f4 with their stupidity in the fox kids series would get beaten, and beaten and beaten some more...

[omg laser pew pew!]

Wow, even jplaya isnt that dumb.

Tsunade isnt that strong compared to other verses. Hell, 1 hit from someone like Luffy and she's dead

The only reason why jplaya doesn't say that is because he rates DBZ higher than Naruto

[Kisame]

, because some katons by oro can do him in.


Those Katons totally wont hurt him. And oro never showed a katon..

[GaaraFromTheHood]

If they have those powers, then FF4 can beat any set of 4 characters from any universe whenever they want to? AM I right? Anybody but the Hulk, Juggernaut, I guess the flash, and maybe Superman. As a matter of fact superman can just fly to space so I guess he's kool, but can he evade that almighty forcefield in the brain? I don't know....

That's how it sounds, I know you guys want to use their ultimate powers every single time, but nobody is looking at this like a real fight. I say that unless they just start by doing that nova power, then team sarutobi has a chance by having fake clones and confusing them a bit. Maybe doing the frog stomach on sue and reed and dealing with ben and johnny, but you guys just go for the overkill. Forcefield won't help you for shit on that frog stomach.

[Kisame]

Forcefield won't help you for shit on that frog stomach.


Except when she just cuts the esophagus in half and fly right on out...

[GaaraFromTheHood]

Except when she just cuts the esophagus in half and fly right on out...

How exactly she'll do this? Just tell me that her force field has the same effect on the frog stomach than fire as hot or hotter than the sun. My goodness, this is amazing that these guys have these uber powers and break a sweat against any enemies!

[Kisame]

How exactly she'll do this? Just tell me that her force field has the same effect on the frog stomach than fire as hot or hotter than the sun. My goodness, this is amazing that these guys have these uber powers and break a sweat against any enemies!


No she wont burn a way thro. It will cut it open.

[GaaraFromTheHood]

Ok I guess, that's as far as I can take this one then. I guess I'll stick to all naruto and bleach posts, cause' comic lore seems to escape my grasp sometmies.

[jplaya2023]

Except when she just cuts the esophagus in half and fly right on out...

except she'll be digested and her plan wouldnt work anyway. She has no hotter than the sun technique so she gone.

[Nice Gai]

super nova and sue with a forcefield around her Ben and Reed. Gameover.

[jplaya2023]

super nova and sue with a forcefield around her Ben and Red. Gameover.

suiton >>>> super nova

[mystictrunks]

suiton >>>> super nova
Only if Super Soaker > The Great Chicago Fire

[Gooba]

Those Katons totally wont hurt him. And oro never showed a katon..Oro definitely knows Katons. He is the character who learned every non-secret jutsu so he had to start experimenting on people to learn more.
How exactly she'll do this? Just tell me that her force field has the same effect on the frog stomach than fire as hot or hotter than the sun. My goodness, this is amazing that these guys have these uber powers and break a sweat against any enemies!They have a tough time when they are forced to obey moral laws, and act to safeguard people around them. The Human Torch can't just go super nova whenever he feels like it because he usually isn't Bloodlusted, and it risks civilians. Sue actually does do the forcefield in the throat a lot, but not the brain one because it would instantly kill and she is a good guy. I think it is important to realize in a lot of comics the good guys are forced to hold back a lot due to morals.
suiton >>>> super nova:rofl

[jplaya2023]

:rofl

IT ALL BOILS DOWN to basic science

water >>> fire

[Gooba]

IT ALL BOILS DOWN to basic science

water >>> fireHaha, that was a good one. I love how you threw the word "Boil" in there. Now I can tell you are just kidding around.

[Art of Run]

IT ALL BOILS DOWN to basic science

water >>> fire

But not a super nova. Spit on a super nova and i wont be put out. Use a water jutsu. wont be put out Super nova would rape all of the sannin and the 3rd.

[mystictrunks]

Its basic pokemon. Thing is an earth type,so he's weak to fighting types. Tsunade hits him with a chop and since its super effective he faints.

[GaaraFromTheHood]

Oro definitely knows Katons. He is the character who learned every non-secret jutsu so he had to start experimenting on people to learn more.
They have a tough time when they are forced to obey moral laws, and act to safeguard people around them. The Human Torch can't just go super nova whenever he feels like it because he usually isn't Bloodlusted, and it risks civilians. Sue actually does do the forcefield in the throat a lot, but not the brain one because it would instantly kill and she is a good guy. I think it is important to realize in a lot of comics the good guys are forced to hold back a lot due to morals.
:rofl

Which supports that he must know a LOT of genjutsu too. And probably suiton too. But whatever....
That's what I was saying, that stating that human torch will go supernova is saying that he'll start the fight with his deadliest move, which doesn't sound like a regular fight. Plus ninjas are fast, can do clones to confuse you and stuff. I dunno, it would be a good test to see where narutoverse stands against comics, because the teamwork of FF is legendary, as well as the teamwork of the Sannin plus they have their master with them.

[Kisame]

Oro definitely knows Katons. He is the character who learned every non-secret jutsu so he had to start experimenting on people to learn more.



Yes but its good to go by whats shown. Or we can just start assuming moves for all ninjas.

[GaaraFromTheHood]

Yes but its good to go by whats shown. Or we can just start assuming moves for all ninjas.

At least we can assume jutsus from every element. Is like they Kakashi has 1000 jutsus, but lets say for the sake of the convo that he has 100, we know he got a lightning, a suiton he got from kisame, some genjutsu, etc. I think is fair to assume that he has at least 5 from each element, more genjutsus and maybe some taijitsu too. Same for ORO, and more, because that's his whole purpose in his life, to learn all jutsus possible.

[Kisame]

At least we can assume jutsus from every element. Is like they Kakashi has 1000 jutsus, but lets say for the sake of the convo that he has 100, we know he got a lightning, a suiton he got from kisame, some genjutsu, etc. I think is fair to assume that he has at least 5 from each element, more genjutsus and maybe some taijitsu too. Same for ORO, and more, because that's his whole purpose in his life, to learn all jutsus possible.

Its easy to assume for Kakashi since he actually copies them

Orochimaru even being the genius that he is seems be wind affinity and I think its established its hard to learn jutsus from other Elemental affinities.

Kisame mention this as well. So even if he knew the chakra seals and how to perform it, the suiton would be very very weak.

[Shadow Replication 1480]

That's what I was saying, that stating that human torch will go supernova is saying that he'll start the fight with his deadliest move, which doesn't sound like a regular fight.
In all honesty, Torch doesn't even need to go nova to beat any of the Naruto nins since they really don't have a hope in hell of hitting him with anything that could possibly damage him.

Plus ninjas are fast, can do clones to confuse you and stuff.
Kinda irrlevent when 3 of the 4 are either highly resistant to any phyiscal damage the nins throw at them(Reed and Thing) or would burn anything that gets remotely close enough to do him harm(Johnny).

[Locard]

That's how it sounds, I know you guys want to use their ultimate powers every single time, but nobody is looking at this like a real fight. I say that unless they just start by doing that nova power, then team sarutobi has a chance by having fake clones and confusing them a bit. Maybe doing the frog stomach on sue and reed and dealing with ben and johnny, but you guys just go for the overkill. Forcefield won't help you for shit on that frog stomach.
This is the Battledome. Battles are blodlusted here unless the OP states otherwise.


So you think the clones will come in handy?
Ok, let's give some clones to team Sarutobi, let's say..1000 per person, you can add the big summons too.

Sue go up in the air, (protected by the force field if the ninjas try something funny, invisible to avoid a possible ¨genjutsu¨)

She traps the thousands of clones in a giant bubble and...we have multiple options for her here:

1- Crush them all like a trash compactor
2- Wait til they suffocate
4- Barrage them with thousands of invisible daggers, spears, or any slashing object.
3- Toss them all into the outerspace
5- Etc, Etc, Etc

And in case you're wondering ¨can she make such huge force fields?¨
Yes, she can cover a whole city with them.

In an ocassion, Sue had to cover the whole Manhattan island, that was floating in the outerspace due to Terrax evil schemes, and she did it for hours apparently.

The frog stomach? ha!
Sue can make the gd frog explode from the inside, she just need to make a force field and expand it.
Just cause Itachi cant escape without amaterasu, doesn't mean other people cant escape without it.
Or are you implying that Jiraiya fought people as strong as the F4 in the past and won?:huh

¨fire as hot or hotter than the sun¨
Just to let you know, Sue's force field has taken worse things, way worse.

She alone can solo this if she wants to, add the other 3 heroes and the result should be clear.

[Gooba]

Which supports that he must know a LOT of genjutsu too. And probably suiton too. But whatever....I agree, I'd bet he knows tons.
That's what I was saying, that stating that human torch will go supernova is saying that he'll start the fight with his deadliest move, which doesn't sound like a regular fight. Plus ninjas are fast, can do clones to confuse you and stuff. I dunno, it would be a good test to see where narutoverse stands against comics, because the teamwork of FF is legendary, as well as the teamwork of the Sannin plus they have their master with them.True it isn't a normal fight for him to go Supernova at the start, but it isn't fair to pit two teams against each other and have one team half-assing it.

Yes but its good to go by whats shown. Or we can just start assuming moves for all ninjas.The difference is that not all ninjas are part of the Legendary Sannin, and among them the one renowned for his obsession with learning as many jutsus as possible.
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/9476/naruto12112gl4.jpg

[Kisame]

does that mean he knows harem no jutsu :omg

[Suzumebachi]

does that mean he knows harem no jutsu :omg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5c5IkTShNA