View Full Version : Zeed Millenniumon vs. Abraxas
Endless Mike
11-28-2006, 03:31 PM
I made this before, but a forum glitch caused it to be deleted or something.
Anyway:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bb/ZeedMillenniummon.jpg
vs.
http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/0/05/Abraxas442px.jpg
Who wins?
Abraxas would be raped, sad bu true ...
He with the Nullifier would IMO be a stalemate though.
Vicious
11-28-2006, 06:19 PM
Abraxas loses, he probly would be equaly match with Moon=Millenniumon.
Gaelek_13
11-28-2006, 07:47 PM
Against Moon=Milleniumon I reckon he'd have more of a chance but Abraxas is "a near omnipotent being" and Zeed Milleniumon is a Dark God who can create and destroy reality. So he wins.
The Anti-Existence
03-13-2007, 07:52 AM
This thread is stupid.
Why does Abraxas need a weapon he never inteded to use?
And why does being able to create a reality mean you can beat him?
You need to destroy the multiverse to beat him.
Havoc
03-13-2007, 09:12 AM
Against Moon=Milleniumon I reckon he'd have more of a chance but Abraxas is "a near omnipotent being" and Zeed Milleniumon is a Dark God who can create and destroy reality. So he wins.
Can he beat the LT? Here's near omnipotent.
This thread is stupid.
Why does Abraxas need a weapon he never inteded to use?
And why does being able to create a reality mean you can beat him?
You need to destroy the multiverse to beat him.
Destroying a multiverse is no problem, as is stopping time and creating new dimensions for Zeed, at least from what I've heard.
Havoc
03-13-2007, 01:42 PM
Destroying a multiverse is no problem, as is stopping time and creating new dimensions for Zeed, at least from what I've heard.
Destroying a multiverse>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopping time and creating a new dimension
A multiverse would a large dimension with other dimension inside of it, wouldn't it? So if you go to the "hub" dimension and destroy that, then all the dimensions inside of it are destroyed, so destroying a multiverse wouldn't be that hard if you know where to look.
And destroying dimensions is just as easy as creating them for Zeed, so destroying a multiverse would be no problem if you know where to look. Besides, I didn't say creating dimensions and stopping time were on the same level as destroying them. I just said that Zeed can do all three.
Havoc
03-13-2007, 07:58 PM
A multiverse would a large dimension with other dimension inside of it, wouldn't it? So if you go to the "hub" dimension and destroy that, then all the dimensions inside of it are destroyed, so destroying a multiverse wouldn't be that hard if you know where to look.
And destroying dimensions is just as easy as creating them for Zeed, so destroying a multiverse would be no problem if you know where to look. Besides, I didn't say creating dimensions and stopping time were on the same level as destroying them. I just said that Zeed can do all three.
A multiverse consists of different universes. There can be multiple dimensions in one universe. Destroying a dimension is easier than destroying a universe which in turn is easier than destroying the multiverse. Got it?
On the other hand, there are still many different dimensions inside the multiverse as a "hub", right? A universe with no dimensions ceases to exist. Go to the multiverse "hub" and destroy them all one by one. Depending on how many exist in it, it could take a small amount of time or it could take eternity. Regardless, it would still be possible for Zeed to destroy the multiverse (and in fact can do it in less then a second for us due to his ability to stop time). *note: This is think of dimensions as things such as time, width, length, height, etc. Anyways, I believe dimensions in Digimon pretty much count as universes, not sub-dimensions like your thinking or dimensions in terms of time, space, etc.
If the multiverse is that place where the brothers of reality were fighting, I don't believe it would take more then universe busting power once you get there. I don't believe its any larger then a normal universe as all the universes in it were pretty much 100m diameter globes and fairly close to eachother (as in dozens within a kilometer of eachother). I doubt its made of anything stronger then a normal universe, so if Zeed can destroy a normal universe, then the biggest problem would be getting to the area in the multiverse where it can be attacked directly, sort of like how if your in a glass ball in a glass ball you need to destroy the first glass ball before you can attack the second.
Havoc
03-13-2007, 11:05 PM
I don't know wtf you're talking about. This is no hub, at least not in Marvel or DC to my knowledge.
Oh, there is... What I mean by hub, its the place where all the universe in the multiverse reside- the universe in which the brothers of reality were fighting in DC vs Marvel. Blow that place up and all the universes inside of it would be destroyed. I believe if you can destroy the universe, you could probably blow up that place too. Probably made of the same stuff.
Havoc
03-14-2007, 12:07 PM
Oh, there is... What I mean by hub, its the place where all the universe in the multiverse reside- the universe in which the brothers of reality were fighting in DC vs Marvel. Blow that place up and all the universes inside of it would be destroyed. I believe if you can destroy the universe, you could probably blow up that place too. Probably made of the same stuff.
No, sorry, you are wrong.
No, sorry, you are wrong.
You have proof I'm wrong?
Havoc
03-14-2007, 09:31 PM
You have proof I'm wrong?
That fact that there has never been mention of a "hub" universe, or a single dominant universe which all else are connected too. I don't know if Zeed could destroy a multiverse, but what you're saying isn't backed up by anything. Scans that prove your right would be much appreciated.
That fact that there has never been mention of a "hub" universe, or a single dominant universe which all else are connected too. I don't know if Zeed could destroy a multiverse, but what you're saying isn't backed up by anything. Scans that prove your right would be much appreciated.
My stuff is all speculation. I don't believe anyone has really made definate rules about universes and stuff, so scans are non-existint (unless there are some in marvel comics or something). But logically, it would make sense. If you have proof that its different, then post it. Otherwise, I think we'll have to agree to disagree since there isn't really any way to prove either point.
Havoc
03-14-2007, 10:10 PM
My stuff is all speculation. I don't believe anyone has really made definate rules about universes and stuff, so scans are non-existint (unless there are some in marvel comics or something). But logically, it would make sense. If you have proof that its different, then post it. Otherwise, I think we'll have to agree to disagree since there isn't really any way to prove either point.
Actually the idea of parallel universes or multiple universes I've never heard of their being a central dominant universe. So if you know something I don't, I would like to know for my benefit.
It all depends on your definition of multiverse. I've always seen it defined as sort of universes within a universe. Or planes of existence within one giant all encompasing plane of existence. Thats what it appears to be in Marvel and DC comics (based on the Marvel vs DC storyline where you see the brothers fighting in an area while surrounded by hundreds of thousands of universes) and its definately how it is in Magic the Gathering (as there have been planes that were knocked out of the multiverse). As for if its bound by the same laws and has the same durability as the normal universes, I don't know. Thats where most of the speculation comes in.
Havoc
03-14-2007, 10:46 PM
It all depends on your definition of multiverse. I've always seen it defined as sort of universes within a universe. Or planes of existence within one giant all encompasing plane of existence. Thats what it appears to be in Marvel and DC comics (based on the Marvel vs DC storyline where you see the brothers fighting in an area while surrounded by hundreds of thousands of universes) and its definately how it is in Magic the Gathering (as there have been planes that were knocked out of the multiverse). As for if its bound by the same laws and has the same durability as the normal universes, I don't know. Thats where most of the speculation comes in.
Your basing your argument off magic the gathering? That's all I needed to know.
Do you have the Amalgam Brothers scan?
Read through this- http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm
There was no "hub"
I'm basing it more off of the brothers of reality then MTG. MTG was more of an extra point. I'd scan my comic if I had a working scanner. Sorry. But if you can find a pic of the brothers fighting, then you should be able to see what I'm getting at.
And for an additional thing: D&D also uses a simular multiverse system.
Havoc
03-14-2007, 10:57 PM
Read the site I posted. It explains that were they fought was an overlap of the DC multiverse and the Marvel multiverse. That was the irregularity, it normally doesn't exist like that.
The fact that there are two distinct multiverses means that there must be borders between them, right? So unless all the universes inside each multiverse takes up 100% of the multiverse, there must be an area outside of the universes inside the multiverse. That would be the hub thing I'm talking about as you would be able to go to different universes in the multiverse from there. The only way this wouldn't work is if each multiverse is infinite- but as they weren't created overlapping, that would mean they were not infinite.
Havoc
03-14-2007, 11:45 PM
I still don't know what you're talking about. Universes make up multiverses, which make up the omniverse. I really don't care anymore though so w/e.
The Cheat
03-18-2007, 07:34 PM
Abraxsas, Zeed is powerful but he creates pocket dimensions and destroys them not create entire dimenions.
What happens if the dimension your in is destroyed but your not, anyways? Wouldn't placing Abraxas in a pocket dimension and destroying it place him in limbo or something even if he survives? Even if he's not dead, would he be capable of getting back? Even if he does escape whereever the dimensionless appear, he may not even get back to the correct dimension in his life-time (if he has a life-time). I think people need to post some feats for Abraxas... So far all we have for him is "Isn't destroyed by the destruction of surrounding dimension" and "Will somehow defeat a time/reality manipulator/creator/destroyer."
The Cheat
03-18-2007, 09:22 PM
What happens if the dimension your in is destroyed but your not, anyways? Wouldn't placing Abraxas in a pocket dimension and destroying it place him in limbo or something even if he survives? Even if he's not dead, would he be capable of getting back? Even if he does escape whereever the dimensionless appear, he may not even get back to the correct dimension in his life-time (if he has a life-time). I think people need to post some feats for Abraxas... So far all we have for him is "Isn't destroyed by the destruction of surrounding dimension" and "Will somehow defeat a time/reality manipulator/creator/destroyer."
you have a point.
Havoc
03-18-2007, 09:27 PM
What happens if the dimension your in is destroyed but your not, anyways? Wouldn't placing Abraxas in a pocket dimension and destroying it place him in limbo or something even if he survives? Even if he's not dead, would he be capable of getting back? Even if he does escape whereever the dimensionless appear, he may not even get back to the correct dimension in his life-time (if he has a life-time). I think people need to post some feats for Abraxas... So far all we have for him is "Isn't destroyed by the destruction of surrounding dimension" and "Will somehow defeat a time/reality manipulator/creator/destroyer."
Abraxas can travel through different universes. If he survives he could just leave.
Ok. How long would it take for him to find his way back?
Havoc
03-19-2007, 07:29 PM
Ok. How long would it take for him to find his way back?
How the fudge am I supposed to know, lol. But he is a multiversal being.
Ah. So essentially it could be enough to destroy the dimension Abraxas is in to get rid of him for a while. So would it count as a win if Zeed keeps doing that each and every time?
Havoc
03-19-2007, 09:32 PM
I really don't know, it'd be better if someone like CBG came in here as I'm not really sure of everything Abraxas can do.
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