Men who sleep with 13-year-olds 'not paedophiles', says police chief

[B.M.G.]

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article1996361.ece

By Sophie Goodchild
Published: 19 November 2006

A chief constable has sparked controversy by declaring that men who sleep with 13- to 15-year-olds should not be labelled paedophiles.

Terry Grange, the Association of Chief Police Officers' (ACPO) spokesman on child protection and managing sex offenders, also says that the term "child pornography" should only apply to images of children aged 13 and under. His views are set out in an interview with The Sunday Times. Mr Grange, chief constable of Dyfed-Powys Police, adds that only those who target prepubescent children should be treated as paedophiles.

But Michele Elliott, director of Kidscape, said: "Most people would say that no adult should be having sex with a child under the age of 15, and that if they do, they are sexually attracted to children and they are a paedophile."

A chief constable has sparked controversy by declaring that men who sleep with 13- to 15-year-olds should not be labelled paedophiles.

Terry Grange, the Association of Chief Police Officers' (ACPO) spokesman on child protection and managing sex offenders, also says that the term "child pornography" should only apply to images of children aged 13 and under. His views are set out in an interview with The Sunday Times. Mr Grange, chief constable of Dyfed-Powys Police, adds that only those who target prepubescent children should be treated as paedophiles.But Michele Elliott, director of Kidscape, said: "Most people would say that no adult should be having sex with a child under the age of 15, and that if they do, they are sexually attracted to children and they are a paedophile."

[Amaretti]

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article1996361.ece

By Sophie Goodchild
Published: 19 November 2006

A chief constable has sparked controversy by declaring that men who sleep with 13- to 15-year-olds should not be labelled paedophiles.

Terry Grange, the Association of Chief Police Officers' (ACPO) spokesman on child protection and managing sex offenders, also says that the term "child pornography" should only apply to images of children aged 13 and under. His views are set out in an interview with The Sunday Times. Mr Grange, chief constable of Dyfed-Powys Police, adds that only those who target prepubescent children should be treated as paedophiles.

But Michele Elliott, director of Kidscape, said: "Most people would say that no adult should be having sex with a child under the age of 15, and that if they do, they are sexually attracted to children and they are a paedophile."

A chief constable has sparked controversy by declaring that men who sleep with 13- to 15-year-olds should not be labelled paedophiles.

Terry Grange, the Association of Chief Police Officers' (ACPO) spokesman on child protection and managing sex offenders, also says that the term "child pornography" should only apply to images of children aged 13 and under. His views are set out in an interview with The Sunday Times. Mr Grange, chief constable of Dyfed-Powys Police, adds that only those who target prepubescent children should be treated as paedophiles.But Michele Elliott, director of Kidscape, said: "Most people would say that no adult should be having sex with a child under the age of 15, and that if they do, they are sexually attracted to children and they are a paedophile."

Actually, technically he could be right. Paedophilia defines the attraction to pre-pubescent children. Roughly after thirteen, kids are pubescent and any sexual attraction to an adolescent would be ephebophilia. Still icky, but yeah... there's a difference.

I think he's wrong about the child pornography. Any pornography featuring kids under the age of consent should be classed as child porn. I'd rather have them draw the line at the age of consent when a child has matured sexually. Drawing the line at the start of sexually maturity is far too early and opens adolescents up to abuse.

[Ray]

I agree with everything you said Amaretti but this is definetly going to draw attention that he probably doesn't want.

[Amaretti]

I agree with everything you said Amaretti but this is definetly going to draw attention that he probably doesn't want.

I reckon he'll be sacked by the end of the week...

[CrazyMoronX]

I think we can all agree that he has sex with 13 - 15 year olds.

[Chibi-Usa]

I feel that the police cheif was completely wrong with saying that, but as a 15 year girl myself I can say that there's a big difference between a man being attracted to a 15 year old girl, and a man being attracted to a 9 year old girl.

[Sakura]

That's.fucking.messed.up.

He should go die;; You don't treat cute little teenagers like that.

[Psycho]

i don't think like a 20-25 year sleeping with a 13-15 year old should be ilegal, it's about the same thing as a 25 year old and a 35 year old sleeping toghether, but even worse is that a 18 year old sleeping with a 17 year old constitutes rape

a paedophile is actually a person that feels sexualy interrested in people atleast 15 years younger, but no one would arrest a 50 year old sleeping with a 35 year old right?

i'd say any woman older then 13 is atleast sexualy mature, and any man older then 14 is sexualy mature, but a 35 year old sleeping with a 13 year old is simply un-acceptable i would say if your 7 years younger then your partner and under 18, but yet sexualy mature and is not against your will, i'd say it's okay

[Psycho]

I feel that the police cheif was completely wrong with saying that, but as a 15 year girl myself I can say that there's a big difference between a man being attracted to a 15 year old girl, and a man being attracted to a 9 year old girl.

i to am 15 years old, but my girlfriend is 18, would you say she's a paedophile?

[NOTE: this isn't actually me, it's my brother on my user, i'm 20 years old]

[Spanish Hoffkage]

In Spain the age of consent is 13, so he would be totally legal here if the girl is not being forced.

[Psycho]

yeah, in the ntherlands you can sleep with anyone over 12 legaly (if your not raping him/her)

[DragonHeart52]

@Amaretti: Good points and well said.

a paedophile is actually a person that feels sexualy interrested in people at least 15 years younger, but no one would arrest a 50 year old sleeping with a 35 year old right?

:huh Where did you get that definition? The word itself is derived using Greek roots which are based on the word for "child". At best, there has been some discussion of allowing leadway for a five year difference in age to keep from classifying some perfectly normal adolescents and pre-adolescents as paedophiles. The word comes from the Greek paidophilia (παιδοφιλία)—pais (παις, "child") and philia (φιλία, "love, friendship"). Paidophilia was coined by Greek poets either as a substitute for "paiderastia" (pederasty)[2], or vice versa[3]. As paederastia and pederasty were used in a derogatory manner since the time of ancient Rome until the mid-20th century due to its exclusive sexual meaning while paedophilia was not due to the originally more sublime meaning of φιλία in classical Greek compared to εραστια, the latter version of the story might be more likely.

The term paedophilia erotica was coined in 1886 by the Vienna psychiatrist Richard von Krafft-Ebing in his writing Psychopathia Sexualis.[4] He gave the following characteristics:

* the sexual interest is toward children, either prepubescent or at the beginning of puberty
* the sexual interest is the primary one, that is, exclusively or mainly toward children
* the sexual interest remains over time

Strictly speaking, this definition would include many adolescents and prepubescents, for whom such an interest might be normal; thus, some experts add the criterion that the interest be toward children at least five years younger than the subject. See entry for sexologist Dr. John Money.
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Once the age of consent is reached, a person is considered mature enough to make their own decisions where sexual contact is concerned.

I reckon he'll be sacked by the end of the week...
Either that, or doing a load of explaining for that statement. However, his credibility in the eyes of the general public is probably ruined.

I think we can all agree that he has sex with 13 - 15 year olds.
or has perhaps considered it? :P

[Kurairu]

I agree with Amaretti in the second post =P Icky yes, but different indeed. Though basically the same, the charges should be different for the two offenses. Mainly cause doing that to any kid of any age is just...wrong oO No matter what the technical term is.

[Masaki]

Isn't the age of consent 16 or so? Why is 18 the legal porn age?

And 13 may be a bit young. Give them an extra year or two and he could be right.

[Vegitto-kun]

That's.fucking.messed.up.

He should go die;; You don't treat cute little teenagers like that.

Too bad these cute teenagers are turning more and more into sluts

[Masaki]

Too bad these cute teenagers are turning more and more into sluts

Dammit. I was going to reply to the same post with a similar reply.

The teenage girls these days are far from "cute", looks aside.

[Vegitto-kun]

Dammit. I was going to reply to the same post with a similar reply.

The teenage girls these days are far from "cute", looks aside.

most of them look like 16+ year olds

I once checked out this hot girl to only find out later that she was 12 :oh

[Scum]

well he's technically right but he'll still get chewed out for it

[JiraiyaPimp]

As a parent, it's my opinion that they are pedophiles. WTF should a grown man be doing with a 13-15 year old? Dateline has shown the truth of these men and if they're so horny as to seek sexual gratification with a 13-15yo, they need therapy. My wife and I are under the firm belief that when our kids start having sex, we'd rather them be at home in their rooms rather than in a car or in some strange hotel where no one could intervene if they were put in an uncomfortable position (pun not intended). But adults should be with adults imho

[Megaharrison]

They aren't pedophiles. Pedophilia by definition is being attracted to children who have yet to hit puberty. By 15 most girls are pretty developed.

Really, the age of consent being 18 in the U.S. is a tad too high as well and really should be lowered to 16 like most other nations. In Israel it's as low as 14 under certain circumstances and we've never had problems with that.

Pornography really should be an 18 or above matter though. As deciding to expose yourself like that requires a level of maturity few 16 year olds have.

[T4R0K]

most of them look like 16+ year olds

I once checked out this hot girl to only find out later that she was 12 :oh

I feel your pain... The niece of a family friend came from Bosnia for holidays in France. She looked 16, and was nice looking.

When I learned she just got 13, I was "WTF ?". She was actually pretty tall and had a mature face for that age. An other kind of trap, based on age.

I now prefer to ask for papers rather than rely on the girl's answers : "Driving licence, please"

[Jams]

He's right there. I personally think that 13 is a bit young but I dont like how people get in trouble just because 'omg liek you sexed her wen she was under teh age of consent OMGWTF!!11!'. Yeah, these people dont realise that it might not always be rape for some reason... :huh . I still think 18's the right age for being in porno though, like Megaharrison said, most 16 year olds arn't mature enough at that age (and most probably wouldn't want to anyway).

[Uncle Lunchwagon]

NAKED MINORS ON THE INTERNETS!?

[Doggie]

If it's accidental, and they didn't realise their age, it's fine. Some 13 year olds look 20,and will lure men in. It's not their fault though. I'm probably gonna get negged for that but meh.Just my opinion.

[Purgatory]

As a parent, it's my opinion that they are pedophiles. WTF should a grown man be doing with a 13-15 year old? Dateline has shown the truth of these men and if they're so horny as to seek sexual gratification with a 13-15yo, they need therapy. My wife and I are under the firm belief that when our kids start having sex, we'd rather them be at home in their rooms rather than in a car or in some strange hotel where no one could intervene if they were put in an uncomfortable position (pun not intended). But adults should be with adults imho

What a drag...parents just don't understand.

But anyways, teenagers aren't exactly the cute little kid walking down the street like it used to. I know alot of people who'll sell their bodies for no apparent reason. Neg me if you wish to, but I'm keeping my opinion. And as a wise man once said:

"Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one"

and MY opinion is that maybe the rent-a-cop chief may be right. Kiuds today don't think of grades, extracurricular activities, or helping mom and dad around the house. They just wanna have sex no matter how they get it. 13-14 years are the years when they can start thinking for themselves. It's THEIR responsibility if they want to become sluts or become normal people. About the paedophilia, some people just take it WAY out of context and refer it to "rapists" or "molestors", which are TOTALLY different. Paedophilia is the affection for children, and molestors actually have the balls to take it to the next level.

Talking about child porn, like I said, it is the young adult's decision, but pre-puberty it's a BIG No-No.

[EXhack]

If it's dad, and he isn't sticking it in your pooper, it's not pedo.

[syrup]

Well they should be able to make there own decisions by 13, the age of consent here is only 14 so w.e he seems right to me.

[Beachan18]

13-15 year olds these days look like 18+.

[Smokes]

Either way, it's still sick.

But I met a girl that looked 16, and she was only 13. I went out with her for half a year, not knowing how old she was until I came to her birthday party. When I found out I cried, because it just felt so wrong on my part.

[Sammy-Jo]

Isn't the age of consent 16 or so? Why is 18 the legal porn age?

And 13 may be a bit young. Give them an extra year or two and he could be right.

But that's just the thing. If we keep on lowering the age of consent, we'll really have no clue where to draw the line.

For example, some girls are sexually mature at the age of 13. Others may not be sexually mature until the age of 16.

There's a difference between girls' bodies being sexually mature and their emotional stability and capability to understand possible consequences of sex. The most practical of these consequences would, of course, be pregnancy and/or STDs, but there are also emotional consequences that girls at the age of 13, while sexually mature, may not be able to handle or understand.

I realize there are countries where the age of consent is already this low, but I just don't agree with it :P.

Last year, near where I used to live, a pastor at a local church helped deliver twins to a 12-year-old. Twins! At age 12! Hell, I'm 18 and I know if I had even one child at this age, I would not be able to handle it....Yes, adoption/abortion, blah, blah, blah. It doesn't always work out that way, as we've seen.

And this police chief is going to get a lot of negative PR XD...

[Smokes]

^ And you would bring your smart ass into the thread. And yes, that is a compliment.

[The Space Cowboy]

In other news, Terry Grange went on to state that 'Officers who accept sexual favors in return for not writing a ticket are not committing a serious breach of ethics.'

[Shishou]

I've seen 13 year olds who could pass for 18.

Paedophiles I believe are ones attracted to like 8 year olds D:

[sj2k]

hmmm, my best friends sister is 14, once I had a few friends over, and they started hitting on here till I told them to cut it out, (she was over but not her brother, are whole families are friends). I asked them how old they thought she was, and in all honsety they all though about 17, 16 the youngest. and these were 18/19 year olds. I am simply pointing out that girls can physically mature very fast. so, just because you are attracted to a girl who looks likes she's 18 doesn't make you a pedo.

[sj2k]

and honestly, why can 15 year olds have sex (and get away with it under romeo0julliette laws), but if its 15 and 16 its rape. I mean, I understand and agree with a limit, but nobody matures at the same rate, and in some ways I feel like we shouldn't punish those who are mature enough because of those who aren't. Of course, I don't have a solution....

[Finn Mac Cool]

From what was said, it does sound like this was probably a matter of definitions and technicalities.

And I do think the age of consent should be lowered, especially since food hormones are making puberty come earlier and earlier.

[Century]

13 is the new 18 these days hahaha

[Goodfellow]

Well, technically, 13 is teen, not kid, so he would be a lolicon (lolita complex), not a pedophile.

[kulgan18]

Age of consent people. Geez i mean a 15 year kid can go to jail as an adult if he commits a crime but he cant choose if she/he wants to have sex with somebody?

fuck up double standards.

There is full grown people that are totally irresponsable too having 6-10 kids they cant support, fooling around, others are mature very young.
I mean there is a lot of people that are sexually active at age 14-15.
Also the difference of age has to be considered.

The least they can do is apply the same standards for criminal responsabilty to this. Whats the age that a kid can be held accountable in the US, like 7 in some states?? Wtf is up with that??

[Sickfigure master]

sleeping with 13-15 year olds isnt illegal anymore? i kne wthe dy would come!

YAY!

[Taraqs]

L:AW SUIT ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Altron]

I feel your pain... The niece of a family friend came from Bosnia for holidays in France. She looked 16, and was nice looking.

When I learned she just got 13, I was "WTF ?". She was actually pretty tall and had a mature face for that age. An other kind of trap, based on age.

I now prefer to ask for papers rather than rely on the girl's answers : "Driving licence, please"

Same here. lol:P i was at a party as well. i was drinking a cough.a little bit.cough. so this girl walks up to me and say im cute and all that stuff, then i asked the girl her age and she said 14...i was like WTF!
so yeah...i prefer girls my age 17 or older lol!

[Black Swan]

its not pedophillia like what other posters have stated before me. But it is stautory rape which could get you some serious jail time.

[Sickfigure master]

You know i learned that rubbing a 12 year olds breasts for 30 minutes is perfectly legal if for medical reasons like spreading vix if shes congested... isnt that swell?

this thread is ma fetish

[soulnova]

There's a difference between girls' bodies being sexually mature and their emotional stability and capability to understand possible consequences of sex. The most practical of these consequences would, of course, be pregnancy and/or STDs, but there are also emotional consequences that girls at the age of 13, while sexually mature, may not be able to handle or understand.



Yes, indeed, kids these days are more "hot" but not very "grown up"... Thats the difference. You want to get laid because she/he is hot (OMGSH BIG BOOBS!1111!!!) and doenst know a thing... Thats wrong. You want to get laid because she/he gives your life a meaning you didnt have. Go ahead and ASK.

Here in Mexico the age is 15 years old. Stop being a sex machine and wait a lil more.

My mother thinks my lil sister (16) should date 20-21 guys because she is very mature. Dumb kids in her school are not an option and I agree because we know she is smart enough to say "NO". LOL But not everyone can say the same...

The thing is, what is going to happen to their already fcked teenage minds?
Anyone over 20 dating 12-14 kids, shouldnt. They have a GREAT adventage called experience and thanks to that, several of my friends in school got pregnant, ended alone and with their lives ruined. *claps*