Shounen Jump USA

[Glitch87]

funny how U.S. shonen jump is too wussy to publish bleach...

[meihinote]

funny how U.S. shonen jump is too wussy to publish bleach...

Hmm... they published the first chapter in Shonen Jump a while ago... but they haven't done it since. Now why is that? :confused:

[Saucyninja]

Hmm... they published the first chapter in Shonen Jump a while ago... but they haven't done it since. Now why is that? :confused:
Because the magazine is already too thick to fit in most mailboxes. :) They did a teaser of Rurouni Kenshin too, but didn't continue the series in the magazine. They can't fit every good series in there, so they give you teasers and then release the full volumes for you to buy. It's not about being wussy- if they were being wussy, they wouldn't have published most of these series at all.

[Shikamaru]

Because the US Shounen Jump is comprised of a lot of trash, IMO. The only worth-while stuff in the three volumes I own, is Naruto. One Piece too I suppose, as that has a big fanbase, though I don't personally like it.

They should get rid of DBZ, SandLand, and Yuu Yuu Hakusho (though this wasn't terrible). Rurouni Kenshin, Bleach, and something else should replace those. They're much better anyway.

[Glitch87]

don't forget yugibloh. Most of the stories mentioned although have mature storylines don't show too much blood. Bleach on the other hand is a little diff.

[Shikamaru]

Ah yes, Yu-Gi-Oh! too. I don't mind it too much though. I enjoyed the raw version of the anime, actually, though 4Kids' version can go straight to hell for all I care.

[Saucyninja]

Dude...Shaman King is good, Hikaru No Go is a decent read, and so is Yu-Gi-Oh. The original manga is a lot more morbid than the anime would have you believe. And Glitch, I don't know where you're getting this idea of Shonen Jump "not showing too much blood." Yuu Yuu Hakusho has just as much blood as Bleach, Yugi from Yu-Gi-Oh is convincing criminals to burn themselves alive, and the latest chapter of Shaman King has Manta being cut open and nearly gutted as a science experiment. It's like an episode of Nip/Tuck. O_o I've read Bleach...it's no more or less tame than any of these series.

I don't know why you guys are so set against US Jump. I agree that I could do without DBZ and Sandland, but they're trying to introduce new audiences to a couple of classics that they've probably never seen in original form. I can respect that. Plus, they're adding new series as often as possible, and translating full volumes of ones they can't. We've got more Bleach on the US market now than we would have if we'd been waiting for them to serialize it chapter by chapter in the magazine. Seriously, what's with all this hostility?

[Shikamaru]

I'm not against Shounen Jump, nor against any of the manga in there. I just don't enjoy those I listed. I never said Hikaru No Go was bad, or that Shaman King shouldn't be in there. Hikaru No Go wasn't in any of the volumes I own and I'm indifferent towards Shaman King, which is why I didn't even mention it beforehand.

The Yu-Gi-Oh! manga is alright during this opening bit. It's nothing amazing though. As soon as it hits the whole Game King thing, though, it goes downhill quickly. What I read of it, was alright, but nothing amazing. There are a lot of better licenced manga out there.

Love Hina, for instance. Bleach as I stated previously. Rurouni Kenshin is probably my all-time favorite manga. Then you've got stuff like Ghost in the Shell, Cowboy Bebop, and Samurai Deeper Kyo. GITS is a bit borderline - even without the pages that were removed for the American release - but both Cowboy Bebop and SDK fit in nicely.

I was just stating my opinion; don't get so upset over nothing.

[Saucyninja]

I was just stating my opinion; don't get so upset over nothing.
I'm not upset, just surprised. I've never met anyone who didn't like the US shounen Jump, at least for the most part, and Glitch's comments especially took me off guard. To imply that Shounen Jump is practicing censorship of more violent series is something I've never even heard expressed, much less seen any evidence thereof. It seemed like you were agreeing and you called it trash, so I was just really surprised to find two people who seemed to think Shounen Jump is so crappy. I was curious as to why you thought that way, and what you thought they should be doing differently. Again though, I do agree that some of the series could be replaced with more interesting ones, though I'm still mostly happy with what they've done so far.

[Shikamaru]

I also said that it was my opinion, though. If something's got fans, then it's gotta be good, whether it's Dragonball Z or Britney Spears. Though that doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to be good to me, or good to you. If I say something, whether I remember to put something like "IMO" in the sentence or not, it's always my own opinion. I definitely do my best to avoid talking for anyone else, especially when "anyone else" means such a large group of manga fans.

I just think it'd be a good idea to diversify the amount of mainstream anime/manga in America. Everyone's been exposed to stuff like Dragonball Z, Yu-Gi-Oh!, etc. already through their anime counterparts. Let's try to broaden the horizons with something like, say, Love Hina or Samurai Deeper Kyo. Even Rurouni Kenshin, given the last arc of the amine was complete filler (and complete crap too, especially when compared to the Jinchuu arc in the manga).

[raphous]

The problem is, I don't know how it is going in the USA, but in France all the Rourouni Kenshin manga is out already, I've bought all voulmes and read them all. And just the same about Yuyu Hakusho.

I was wondering how far was Bleach into, I mean in Japan. Is it a fixed number of volumes ? It is finished already there ?

[Shikamaru]

There's only like 9 volumes of Kenshin released in America. If that. I haven't been keeping up with the releases.

Bleach has fourteen volumes complete in Japan and I believe it's still going on right now. I've only read the first seven yet though.

[Saucyninja]

I also said that it was my opinion, though. If something's got fans, then it's gotta be good, whether it's Dragonball Z or Britney Spears. Though that doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to be good to me, or good to you. If I say something, whether I remember to put something like "IMO" in the sentence or not, it's always my own opinion. I definitely do my best to avoid talking for anyone else, especially when "anyone else" means such a large group of manga fans.
...I realize it was your opinion. I was never under any other impression; this entire conversation has been about our personal opinions. I never thought you were speaking for other people, nor did I ever intend to imply it. I was just surprised at your opinion and asking for your reasons for it. That's all.

As for diversifying the mainstream manga, that's all well and good, but are you implying that Shounen Jump should do this? They're Shounen Jump. They're only going to ever publish anything that the original Weekly Jump published, meaning popular shounen manga. That doesn't include titles like Love Hina, and to be frank, "Shounen" never has been and is probably never going to be a very diverse genre. Now, if some other American Version magazines came out with Shoujo titles, or something like Dragon Magazine, that would be great. But it's unrealistic to expect that Shounen Jump be very diverse about what they publish. Or am I misinterpreting what you're trying to say?

Raphous, there are six volumes of Rurouni Kenshin in the US so far.

[Shikamaru]

As for diversifying the mainstream manga, that's all well and good, but are you implying that Shounen Jump should do this? They're Shounen Jump. They're only going to ever publish anything that the original Weekly Jump published, meaning popular shounen manga. That doesn't include titles like Love Hina, and to be frank, "Shounen" never has been and is probably never going to be a very diverse genre. Now, if some other American Version magazines came out with Shoujo titles, or something like Dragon Magazine, that would be great. But it's unrealistic to expect that Shounen Jump be very diverse about what they publish. Or am I misinterpreting what you're trying to say?

It's not unrealistic to expect Shounen Jump to actually diversify its selection of manga. It's unrealistic to rehash the same, tired drivel over and over again. It's realistic to expect them to expose the American public to non-mainstream titles that haven't been run into the ground on TV. From what I've been told, the Dragonball manga has been run multiple times in Shounen Jump by now. Yes, let's run the Dragonball manga multiple times an exclude good series' because Dragonball sells!

It's riduculous what the American Shounen Jump is doing. Plain and simple. As it stands, I won't be wasting money on it, and I won't even consider it. I bought three volumes in the past, all separated by a couple of months, simply hoping to see something new in one of them. Yet, there's been nothing new. At all. It's a ridiculous attempt at a manga magazine.

[Saucyninja]

From what I've been told, the Dragonball manga has been run multiple times in Shounen Jump by now. Yes, let's run the Dragonball manga multiple times an exclude good series' because Dragonball sells!
They can't have run Dragonball multiple times by now, because they haven't even run it through fully once. It's a really long series. It's going to take years to run through completely, just like it took in the original Jump. O_o

It's riduculous what the American Shounen Jump is doing. Plain and simple. As it stands, I won't be wasting money on it, and I won't even consider it. I bought three volumes in the past, all separated by a couple of months, simply hoping to see something new in one of them. Yet, there's been nothing new. At all. It's a ridiculous attempt at a manga magazine.
What did you expect, for Shounen Jump to run a few chapters of a series, retire it and then begin something new? The entire point of Jump is to serialize manga series, fully, from beginning to end, so people can read the whole series as it comes out. So no, they haven't retired DBZ, because it's not finished yet, they're still in the middle of a story arc and people want to see what happens in the next chapter (remember, not everyone has access to/knows about scanlations, nor has everyone read Dragonball before). The same goes for all the other manga they run. It's not a ridiculous attempt at all, it's exactly what they do in the Japanese Weekly Jump, which they are trying to emulate as closely as possible. I mean, what would you do differently? Are you jsaying they should have newer series that the Japanese Jump is still currently running (like Bleach)?

[Shikamaru]

They can't have run Dragonball multiple times by now, because they haven't even run it through fully once. It's a really long series. It's going to take years to run through completely, just like it took in the original Jump. O_o

As I stated, I don't read this, and I'm just repeating what I've been told. But I have three volumes from about... oh, just over a year ago and they've got the Cell arc. Thus, it shouldn't have taken too long to finish it. Also, it ran from 1985 to 1995, I do believe, in SJ, and it won't be running that long here in America. Not even close to being that long. They publish several chapters per week in America, as opposed to the original one chapter per week in Japan.

What did you expect, for Shounen Jump to run a few chapters of a series, retire it and then begin something new? The entire point of Jump is to serialize manga series, fully, from beginning to end, so people can read the whole series as it comes out. So no, they haven't retired DBZ, because it's not finished yet, they're still in the middle of a story arc and people want to see what happens in the next chapter (remember, not everyone has access to/knows about scanlations, nor has everyone read Dragonball before). The same goes for all the other manga they run. It's not a ridiculous attempt at all, it's exactly what they do in the Japanese Weekly Jump, which they are trying to emulate as closely as possible. I mean, what would you do differently? Are you jsaying they should have newer series that the Japanese Jump is still currently running (like Bleach)?

Wow, you're -really- reading everything I say selectively. I didn't even know Dragonball wasn't finished to begin with, but it's ridiculous that it hasn't been finished, given the fact that it was at the Cell arc a year ago. Also, no one needs to have access to the scanlations to know what happens next in Dragonball. In case you didn't realize it, it's been plastered all over American television since it originally aired on FOX while being dubbed by Saban. It's been run into the ground on every station from FOX, to YTV, to Cartoon Network, etc. Everyone knows what happens in Dragonball by now. Those that don't are those that avoided it, and have no interest in it.

Also, they're not doing exactly as they do in the Japan Jump. Japan releases it pretty much a chapter at a time and there's always a nice selection of manga to choose from. Not to mention very nice articles on games and the like. America's got four or five different series', all of which have been brutally popular before their manga got into the magazine (Yu-Gi-Oh!, Dragonball, and Yuu Yuu Hakusho specifically). And as opposed to something worthwhile as far as articles go, they have previews of new Dragonball Z trading card sets, reviews of Cartoon Network-based games, etc. It's nothing but the same thing you get shoved down your throat everywhere in America, as far as anime's concerned. The only thing worthwhile as far as articles go, are the previews of Japanese manga that are running.

But, as it is, it's just what you expect from the majority of America's media platforms - whatever's popular. And it sucks, because there're so many superior manga series' getting the boot, simply because this is the crap that's currently popular. Actual reviews of video games are getting shoved aside so we can see information on the new Mary-Kate and Ashley Olson game. Shounen Jump is, in my honest opinion, trash. I've got three volumes and the only reason I got each one, was because there was a single something that grabbed my interest. In one, an interview with Kishimoto. In another, a preview of the Rurouni Kenshin manga. And the other, I just picked up as my first Shounen Jump volume, to give it a look.

[co_co_the_monkey]

you two are battlin it off huh?

anyway, shonen jump in america sux. i had it, but the only things i read was one piece and naruto, and yu-yu. yu-yu wasnt that great so i didn't care for it too much.

one piece and naruto could be found on the internet. so i stopped buying them.

yu-gi-oh, sand land (it was alright), shaman king, and hikaru no go werent that great to me.

oh and they had rurouni kenshin, and bleach, and prince of tennis as teasers. i think they get teasers every month. its the manga that they are just going to bring into novels.

[co_co_the_monkey]

They can't have run Dragonball multiple times by now, because they haven't even run it through fully once. It's a really long series. It's going to take years to run through completely, just like it took in the original Jump. O_o

thing is, dragon ball started at the trunks saga, cause people didn't want to start it all over. its very long, i dont even think there out of the cell saga, and the saiyaman-kid buu saga will last a few years after that. so dont expect anything too soon.

[Orihime]

Getting off topic, I'm splitting thread in a few secs... XDDD If I figure out how to do it. :D Sorry if any of the on-topic threads got split along with this... ^^;;;

[Saucyninja]

As I stated, I don't read this, and I'm just repeating what I've been told. But I have three volumes from about... oh, just over a year ago and they've got the Cell arc. Thus, it shouldn't have taken too long to finish it. Also, it ran from 1985 to 1995, I do believe, in SJ, and it won't be running that long here in America. Not even close to being that long. They publish several chapters per week in America, as opposed to the original one chapter per week in Japan.
...The US Jump is published monthly. They have several chapters (usually only two, possibly three in some cases) per month. It'll take just as long, if not longer.

Wow, you're -really- reading everything I say selectively. I didn't even know Dragonball wasn't finished to begin with, but it's ridiculous that it hasn't been finished, given the fact that it was at the Cell arc a year ago.
Not really, because as I said, it's a monthly magazine. I find it odd that you formed such a strong negative opinion on this magazine when you're not even familiar enough with it to know that's it's monthly, not weekly.

Also, no one needs to have access to the scanlations to know what happens next in Dragonball. In case you didn't realize it, it's been plastered all over American television since it originally aired on FOX while being dubbed by Saban. It's been run into the ground on every station from FOX, to YTV, to Cartoon Network, etc. Everyone knows what happens in Dragonball by now. Those that don't are those that avoided it, and have no interest in it.
Except new anime fans that haven't been exposed to it yet. I'm sorry, but not everyone has seen DBZ, even if most have heard of it, and very few people have ever had a chance to see it without the bad editing and dub actors. I never watched it because I was so appalled by it, but I'm actually enjoying reading the Shounen Jump chapters. Providing people with a decent translation of the original manga was Jump's way of giving proper tribute to a classic.

Also, they're not doing exactly as they do in the Japan Jump. Japan releases it pretty much a chapter at a time and there's always a nice selection of manga to choose from.
Yes, the Japanese one releases it a chapter at a time, because they release it weekly. As I said before, the US Jump publishes monthly. Providing extra chapters is their way of making up for the fact that they don't have the budget for weekly releases. As for selection, Weekly Jump has twice the series of the American Jump, yes (this is also due to budget differences), but what US Jump doesn't serialize, they publish, and to say they have more selection when the manga they run is the same manga, and all the series are long-standing...I'm sorry, but you could pick up the latest Weekly Jump, and the one from this time last year, and there'll be maybe one new manga series, two if it's been an off year and something lost popularity and they forced the manga-ka to end it prematurely, like Hikaru no Go. Heck, they've been running one manga series since 1972. I'm really not seeing where you think the big difference is in selection.

And as opposed to something worthwhile as far as articles go, they have previews of new Dragonball Z trading card sets, reviews of Cartoon Network-based games, etc. It's nothing but the same thing you get shoved down your throat everywhere in America, as far as anime's concerned. The only thing worthwhile as far as articles go, are the previews of Japanese manga that are running.
This is probably the only argument you've made so far that I can see the merit in. The original Jump has better extras- true, and fair enough. If comparing to the original, Shounen Jump is weak on a number of accounts that won't be resolved until they become popular enough to be able to afford to offer nice extras.

But, as it is, it's just what you expect from the majority of America's media platforms - whatever's popular. And it sucks, because there're so many superior manga series' getting the boot, simply because this is the crap that's currently popular. Actual reviews of video games are getting shoved aside so we can see information on the new Mary-Kate and Ashley Olson game. Shounen Jump is, in my honest opinion, trash. I've got three volumes and the only reason I got each one, was because there was a single something that grabbed my interest. In one, an interview with Kishimoto. In another, a preview of the Rurouni Kenshin manga. And the other, I just picked up as my first Shounen Jump volume, to give it a look.
To be perfectly blunt, it sounds to me like you formed a negative opinion on Shounen Jump based purely on unclear and misinformed information, and hostility toward the American market. You see popular series being published, you immediately assume that they're "giving superior manga the boot" in favor of money-grubbing, even if they're simultaniously publishing manga you deem worthy (Bleach). They're publishing all the Weekly Jump titles, not just the popular ones as you've assumed. They just can't do it all in the same anthology.

I came into this conversation hoping to have an intellectual debate about the pros and cons of Shounen Jump. I expected that you might have some negative opinions on their translations or editing (things even I, as a fan, have issues with), or have some honest suggestions as to how you think they could do things better. Instead, I find that you've decided to form an opinion without even knowing enough about the magazine to know it's a monthly anthology, and even if I tell you a number of good points about the magazine, you'll just shoot them down because you've already decided to hate it. I have to say I'm pretty disappointed in where this conversation has gone (nowhere), and I don't think I'm going to continue participating after this post.

[Shikamaru]

Not really, because as I said, it's a monthly magazine. I find it odd that you formed such a strong negative opinion on this magazine when you're not even familiar enough with it to know that's it's monthly, not weekly.

... I know it's monthly. I know that, given the fact that for a subscription, it's twelve volumes per year. I'm not an idiot.

Except new anime fans that haven't been exposed to it yet. I'm sorry, but not everyone has seen DBZ, even if most have heard of it, and very few people have ever had a chance to see it without the bad editing and dub actors. I never watched it because I was so appalled by it, but I'm actually enjoying reading the Shounen Jump chapters. Providing people with a decent translation of the original manga was Jump's way of giving proper tribute to a classic.

Everyone's been exposed to at least a single episode of Dragonball Z, even those that aren't anime fans. Just like they've been exposed to Pokémon, Digimon, Yu-Gi-Oh!, and the other major anime series' being shoved down their throat by Cartoon Network and YTV.

Yes, the Japanese one releases it a chapter at a time, because they release it weekly. As I said before, the US Jump publishes monthly. Providing extra chapters is their way of making up for the fact that they don't have the budget for weekly releases. As for selection, Weekly Jump has twice the series of the American Jump, yes (this is also due to budget differences), but what US Jump doesn't serialize, they publish, and to say they have more selection when the manga they run is the same manga, and all the series are long-standing...I'm sorry, but you could pick up the latest Weekly Jump, and the one from this time last year, and there'll be maybe one new manga series, two if it's been an off year and something lost popularity and they forced the manga-ka to end it prematurely, like Hikaru no Go. Heck, they've been running one manga series since 1972. I'm really not seeing where you think the big difference is in selection.

Where's the big difference in selection? Uh, maybe the fact that there are TWICE THE AMOUNT OF MANGA BEING PUBLISHED LIKE YOU JUST SAID? I don't care how long they've been published - stuff like, for instance, the anime Suzae-san has been around for tens of years (Suzae-san acquiring some 4000 episodes thus far) - but there's still twice the amount of stuff to follow. In America you've got Dragonball, Yu-Gi-Oh!, Hikaru No Go, One Piece, Naruto, and Yuu Yuu Hakusho. I believe SandLand's ended, or so I've heard. Wow, such great selection. You can find Dragonball, Yu-Gi-Oh!, and Yuu Yuu Hakusho on Cartoon Network. You can find One Piece on the FoxBox. The only thing you're not going to see on television is HNG. Wow, that's such a diverse selection America's got going for it.

This is probably the only argument you've made so far that I can see the merit in. The original Jump has better extras- true, and fair enough. If comparing to the original, Shounen Jump is weak on a number of accounts that won't be resolved until they become popular enough to be able to afford to offer nice extras.

Afford to offer nice extras? Because, apparently, it's so much more expensive to not review trash like the new Spongebob Squarepants game and put a review of, for instance, Metal Gear Solid 3 in there. They review this crap because - gasp - that's what's popular and that's what's getting them money. That's why all fo this mainstream stuff is thrown in the magazine.

To be perfectly blunt, it sounds to me like you formed a negative opinion on Shounen Jump based purely on unclear and misinformed information, and hostility toward the American market. You see popular series being published, you immediately assume that they're "giving superior manga the boot" in favor of money-grubbing, even if they're simultaniously publishing manga you deem worthy (Bleach). They're publishing all the Weekly Jump titles, not just the popular ones as you've assumed. They just can't do it all in the same anthology.

So, basically, since Shounen Jump has its own graphic novels out, all for roughly $13 a pop, everything's fine? As opposed to getting a couple chapters of seven or eight good manga per week for $8, I have to pay about $100 to get a graphic novel compiled of all the same stuff? That's certainly an upside! They certainly don't look like they're in things for the money!

I came into this conversation hoping to have an intellectual debate about the pros and cons of Shounen Jump. I expected that you might have some negative opinions on their translations or editing (things even I, as a fan, have issues with), or have some honest suggestions as to how you think they could do things better. Instead, I find that you've decided to form an opinion without even knowing enough about the magazine to know it's a monthly anthology, and even if I tell you a number of good points about the magazine, you'll just shoot them down because you've already decided to hate it. I have to say I'm pretty disappointed in where this conversation has gone (nowhere), and I don't think I'm going to continue participating after this post.

Okay, let me get this straight. Because you decide to get your panties in a knot because I dislike something you do, you've got to go and put words into my mouth (i.e. that I don't know it's a monthly publication), and say that you can't get an intellectual debate going. Well, then, you certainly showed me such infallible logic.

I don't like Shounen Jump. It publishes manga that I have zero interest in, while shunning the manga that I do have interest in. Furthermore, I find its articles laughable. Its entire marketing strategy is nothing more than the typical, "Hey! I know! Let's put in a bunch of popular stuff to appeal to a certain demographic and shun the actual manga fans we should actually be appealing to!" marketing ploy used by such brilliant media outlets like MTV. Not only that, but the fact that, since I bought my issues over a year ago, it has apparantly added a single new series - Hikaru No Go. That's certainly giving me a reason to buy it - adding a manga I have no interest in whatsoever. I better hop on their subscription that's offered.

Really, get something through your head - because I dislike something, based on an opinion I formed by giving it a try, I am not intellecually inferior to you, nor am I some idiot whose opinions are as riddled with holes as a slice of swiss cheese. I am someone that - gasp - has a different opinion than you do on something. Congratulations, you like Shounen Jump. You deserve a medal. But, guess what - I don't. That's not going to change. Not until it, you know, actually does something that interests me in the slightest.

[Saucyninja]

... I know it's monthly. I know that, given the fact that for a subscription, it's twelve volumes per year. I'm not an idiot.
And I quote:Also, it ran from 1985 to 1995, I do believe, in SJ, and it won't be running that long here in America. Not even close to being that long. They publish several chapters per week in America, as opposed to the original one chapter per week in Japan.

Everyone's been exposed to at least a single episode of Dragonball Z, even those that aren't anime fans. Just like they've been exposed to Pokémon, Digimon, Yu-Gi-Oh!, and the other major anime series' being shoved down their throat by Cartoon Network and YTV.
I know people who don't even watch TV. Generalizations are bad.

Where's the big difference in selection? Uh, maybe the fact that there are TWICE THE AMOUNT OF MANGA BEING PUBLISHED LIKE YOU JUST SAID? I don't care how long they've been published - stuff like, for instance, the anime Suzae-san has been around for tens of years (Suzae-san acquiring some 4000 episodes thus far) - but there's still twice the amount of stuff to follow. In America you've got Dragonball, Yu-Gi-Oh!, Hikaru No Go, One Piece, Naruto, and Yuu Yuu Hakusho. I believe SandLand's ended, or so I've heard. Wow, such great selection. You can find Dragonball, Yu-Gi-Oh!, and Yuu Yuu Hakusho on Cartoon Network. You can find One Piece on the FoxBox. The only thing you're not going to see on television is HNG. Wow, that's such a diverse selection America's got going for it.
I addressed this in my last post. I will repeat myself. If you can't get it in the magazine, you can get it in novel form. What they have not translated so far, they are in the process of. When they are finished, you will not be able to find any Weekly Jump manga in Japan that you can't find in America. I could understand if you had issues with their translating speed, but the selection itself is the same. And just for reference sake, Viz got the One Piece manga before 4Kids got their hands on the anime, so by that fact alone, your agument that Shounen Jump will only publish series already popular in America is rendered null and void.

Afford to offer nice extras? Because, apparently, it's so much more expensive to not review trash like the new Spongebob Squarepants game and put a review of, for instance, Metal Gear Solid 3 in there. They review this crap because - gasp - that's what's popular and that's what's getting them money. That's why all fo this mainstream stuff is thrown in the magazine.
I was referring to extras like pencilboards, games and posters, not the articles. Again, Shounen Jump is a manga anthology, not a game review magazine.

So, basically, since Shounen Jump has its own graphic novels out, all for roughly $13 a pop, everything's fine? As opposed to getting a couple chapters of seven or eight good manga per week for $8, I have to pay about $100 to get a graphic novel compiled of all the same stuff? That's certainly an upside! They certainly don't look like they're in things for the money!
Everyone wants money, including Shounen Jump, and I never claimed otherwise. My point was that unlike your black and white view on the subject, they're not doing it only for the money.

Okay, let me get this straight. Because you decide to get your panties in a knot because I dislike something you do, you've got to go and put words into my mouth (i.e. that I don't know it's a monthly publication),
Again, let it be known these are your words, not mine: "They publish several chapters per week in America..."

Really, get something through your head - because I dislike something, based on an opinion I formed by giving it a try, I am not intellecually inferior to you, nor am I some idiot whose opinions are as riddled with holes as a slice of swiss cheese. I am someone that - gasp - has a different opinion than you do on something. Congratulations, you like Shounen Jump. You deserve a medal. But, guess what - I don't. That's not going to change. Not until it, you know, actually does something that interests me in the slightest.
If you had been paying attention instead of er, "getting your panties in a knot," you'd have noticed that I never once acted as if you shouldn't or couldn't have a different opinion than me. Nor was I actually trying to change your opinion. In point of fact, if you'd care to read what I actually said, I began this conversation with you because you had a different opinion and I had foolishly expected that I might be able to have an intellectual conversation with you.

The fact that you couldn't doesn't mean that you're intellectually inferior to me, nor did I ever say that. It simply means that in order to have an intellectual conversation, one must come into it educated on the subject, and with an open mind. Not only do you readily admit that you've only read three volumes and have formed some of your opinion on false information (IE: DBZ has run more than once), hardly making you extremely educated on the subject, but you won't even entertain any positive ideas about it. For every positive thing I pointed out, you played devil's advocate and shot it down with negative twists that only got more and more negative as time went on. While I readily acknowledged that though I like Shounen Jump, I wasn't entirely happy with everything about it, you acknowledged only that it was "trash." Period. End of story.

I won't call you intellectually inferior, but I will call you voluntarily closed-minded on the subject. That's your prerrogative, and I can't change that. I can only say that I've lost interest in continuing to converse with you on the subject.

[Shikamaru]

I'll respond to that eventually. Whenever I decide to get the energy or motivation to shove some of that stuff back down your throat. The fact is, you're doing nothing but taking typos and trying to twist them to mean something else, while repeating the same information over and over in an attempt to make it seem more valid and applicable time and time again.

I don't like Shounen Jump. I formed this opinion off of three volumes, which cost me a total of $24+. I have neither the desire nor the money to waste on any additional issues to see whether or not it's getting better or worse. I do not like it, end of story. If you can't accept that, fine, but don't go getting all upset and in my face about it because you can't. It's nothing but pointless fanboyism showing its ugly face.

[Code]

don't forget yugibloh. Most of the stories mentioned although have mature storylines don't show too much blood. Bleach on the other hand is a little diff.
Funny how Yu-Gi-Oh has more mature incidents and and occasiaonly very bloody scenes than Bleach...

Don't get me wrong I prefer Bleach but how much of the Yu-Gi-Oh manga have you read before blowing it off?

[Squirrel]

Do they have a weekly Prince of Tennis or was that just a teaser too?

[Saucyninja]

The fact is, you're doing nothing but taking typos and trying to twist them to mean something else,
If "weekly" was just a typo, and you knew that Shounen Jump was a monthly anthology, releasing 2-3 chapters of DBZ a month, and you knew that the original Jump took 10 years to finish DBZ while publishing a chapter a week, then why in the heck did you say that A) it was ridiculous that US Jump hadn't finished DBZ yet, B) they should be finishing DBZ much more quickly than the original Jump, and C) they were even remotely capable of having serialized DBZ more than once when SJ has only been out a maximum of two years? I'm sorry, but that makes you look like you don't have a sound grasp of basic logic or the ability to do elementary math.

If SJ averages 2 chapters of DBZ a month, that's only 24 chapters a year, a little over an average, single volume of manga. DBZ has 42 volumes of manga in total, the cell arc alone takes up 7. At that rate, to finsh the series, even skipping the first 27 volumes and starting with the cell arc (vol. 28), it would still take Shounen Jump appx. 10-15 years. Just finishing the cell arc alone would take 6-7.

Admitting to a hole that massive in your logic is a whole lot worse than if you'd just admit that you didn't know Shounen Jump was published monthly. That would just be an honest mistake, and easily cast aside.

while repeating the same information over and over in an attempt to make it seem more valid and applicable time and time again.
Pot. Kettle. Black. :rolleyes: It takes two to make the conversation go in circles.

If you can't accept that, fine, but don't go getting all upset and in my face about it because you can't. It's nothing but pointless fanboyism showing its ugly face.
...Jeez, I'm not even going to repeat myself again. I have whole paragraphs up there about how I respect your opinion and how that's not what I'm having issues with. I'm sorry you saw my desire for conversation on this subject as "getting in your face." Really, I am. Honestly, you can rant your hatred for SJ to the skies for all I care. I just thought a little debate would be fun and interesting, and I had no idea you'd get so defensive about it. Sorry.

[Saucyninja]

Do they have a weekly Prince of Tennis or was that just a teaser too?
Just a teaser, sorry. :) They should be coming out with the full volumes soon though, if they haven't published some already.

[Kaiosama]

Does anyone else notice all the errors in Shonen Jump's translation of Naruto? For example, in the June 2004 issue when Kakashi, Kurenai, and Asuma recommend their teams to the Hokage for the Chuunin exam, Asuma calls himself Kurenai for some reason :confused: . It's like they copy and pasted what Kurenai said and used it for what Asuma says, but then forgot to change where she said her name. Then there are a bunch of misspellings and bad lines for some characters. It's really kind of disappointing :mad: .

[GeniusShikamaru]

All you are taking it from an otaku(manga/anime nerd) point of view on USA Shonen Jump. You should be taking it from overall manga enthusist of spreading the joy and money profiting.

1. The OFFICIAL USA DBZ manga is NOT done yet here. Thats why its being run on Shonen Jump. It sells. Remember they are a profiting company they want to sell not just put out what they think is good.

2. The little shows of Manga they have sometimes like BLEACH, RUROUNI KENSHIN, KNIGHTS OF THE ZODIAC, ETC. Are kinda like comercials for when VIZ releases the volumes. And the volumes are Catagorized as SJ.

3. They are trying to have variety. So having Hikaru no Go, YuGioH, and DBZ isn't neccesarily a bad thing. Variety is good..

4. Just cuz you've seen it a million times already doesn't mean the whole world has. Thats why DBZ, Yu Yu Hakusho, etc. are on there. Not everyone goes on the net and DLs manga for free so to them Chapter 25 of naruto is the latest issue.

5. There is no censorship. Kakashi's hand goes completely through Haku and theres tons of blood. It should be common sense that they wouldnot put words like fuck on there.

6. Number Crunchers have a bigger say. They look at statistics and figure that YuGiOh adn DBZ are most popular so they Advertise it more on the cover. To them its about money.

7. DBZ, YuGioH, Yu Yu Hakusho have already proven to be hits in america. So it would be common sense to capitalize on them and make money. They are not going to put a bunch of unknown manga to the general public. They are going to put things they know are familiar and will sell.

8. Bad translations is just crappy translators followed by crappy editors. Naruto seems to be the only one with the problem though other mangas are well translated.

[kevman112]

Us shounen jump has bad manga: DBZ, Shaman King, and early Naruto(my favorite one they have)

[Saucyninja]

Does anyone else notice all the errors in Shonen Jump's translation of Naruto? For example, in the June 2004 issue when Kakashi, Kurenai, and Asuma recommend their teams to the Hokage for the Chuunin exam, Asuma calls himself Kurenai for some reason :confused: . It's like they copy and pasted what Kurenai said and used it for what Asuma says, but then forgot to change where she said her name. Then there are a bunch of misspellings and bad lines for some characters. It's really kind of disappointing :mad: .
Yeah, they've been having some problems with their editors, I think. I may be wrong, but it seemed to me like they've changed Naruto editors a couple of times, and some were worse than others. I think the Kurenai thing was probably meant to be in Kurenai's speech bubble, and they accidently put it in Asuma's. :rolleyes: Now that I think of it, Tokyopop was having some issues with some of their editors as well. Maybe there's a shortage of good editors.

[Shikamaru]

5. There is no censorship. Kakashi's hand goes completely through Haku and theres tons of blood. It should be common sense that they wouldnot put words like fuck on there.

Probably because words like 'fuck' aren't used. Naruto, DBZ, etc. are all children's mangas. They don't have words like that in it. Contrary to what crappy fansubs and scanlations state.

[Code]

Us shounen jump has bad manga: DBZ, Shaman King, and early Naruto(my favorite one they have)
I'd like to know how much you read of those two?

I'm thinking of picking up the US Shonen jump if it gets a new manga. But it would be nice if they had DB in it.

[Guest]

yea, but they are looking for freash new shows...er...mangas