GSDestiny - Who will die?

[Akirou]

I know I posted a really really long post somewhere a long time ago, and ya'll gotta give me time to find it. I have to edit some parts now that Destiny actually started and everything.


Um, so ya, any thoughts opinions on who will die, live, or so-so?

Most likely to die
- Kira (messianic figure death; sets questions in the heads of people like Shinn, who will take over Kira's role)
- Neo and Rey (assuming they really are Old Man Fllaga clones, they're doomed to die as a parallel to Mwu and Klueze. This time, it'll probably be them killing each other, which would give a nice resolution to the Mwu-Klueze rivalry)
- Arthur (Minerva's first officer. I suspect he will mirror Badgiruel's plot by ending up on a ZAFT radical faction ship, which will doom him, but it isn't likely that he'll come to his senses the way Badgiruel did before his end)
- Meyrin (someone innocent has to die on the Minerva. No hard feelings, but why not her? I'd put Youlan, but he's had relatively little screen time, plus Meyrin being Lunamaria's sister would make her death a driving force for a revenge-obsessed Luna, in keeping with the revenge theme of Destiny)
- Yzak (he'll die a heroic death protecting PLANT. Perhaps it'll happen while he's fighting beside Kira, ironically)
- Dullindal (someone so slick is most likely to die. It'd fit with the overall Gundam theme of peace over war, as Dullindal seems to be interested in flaring up the Coordinators against Naturals)
- Lord Jibril (similar to Dullindal, but on the other side of the conflict)
- Auel (someone that mean is likely to die and die ignobly)
- Sting (relatively charming as he is, I don't think he'd let Stellar go over to ZAFT that easily for both duty and personal reasons, which means that he's most likely to die as the inevitable Shinn x Stellar plot cannot happen if it were otherwise. Think of Sting as the big brother who doesn't like the guy his little sister has chosen for a crush)
- Cannonfodder pilots. They always die in their dozens. :3

50-50 chance of rain of blood
- Lacus (since it seems that the clone theory is likely - although I personally won't totally buy into it until I see it happen - Lacus will either die so that her clone - temporarily called Lacsu, according to Gunota - can live and continue the peace ideal or she'll survive Kira's death, adding a further element of tragedy, especially if Kira finally opens up to her near the end)
- Lacsu (apparently Lacus' clone. She'll either die in an attempt to replace Lacus to get to Kira, or she'll live.)
- Athrun (his life or death depends on how well he and Cagalli settle their budding relationship problem. A good outcome in that will mean he'll live, even if it's at the last minute, while a bad outcome will mean he'll die in the final battle as there's no one he would want to keep on living for like at GENESIS)
- Stellar (yes, yes, we know she's supposed to be the Four archetype of Destiny, which is a death sentence were Tomino at the helm of this series, but Fukuda seems to like semi-happy endings for the main characters - despite his love for Fllay, she was never a main character - so I suspect she'll live a happy life with Shinn at the end. But then, Fukuda did want Kira to die at first in SEED, so it's a 50-50 case)
- Lunamaria (assuming that Meyrin dies, either she comes to her senses and lives, or dies fulfilling avenging her sister. Again, it would tie in well with Destiny's revenge theme)
- Miriallia (as a war reporter, she'll probably be instrumental in giving images depicting the horrors of war for propaganda by the pacifists in Destiny. This possibly means death for her if she uncovers something Lord Jibril or Dullindal doesn't want known)
- Talia Gladys (I think she'll be the one to bring Dullindal down, which gives her a 50-50 chance of surviving).

Most likely to live
- Cagalli (plot-wise, I see Cagalli and Lacus as the symbols of hope and peace respectively. Hope never dies. ^_~)
- Shinn (I don't think he'll go into a Camille-style coma at the end, but I think he'd be much more mature then and will be able to succeed Kira if he dies. It aso fits into the revenge theme: if he kills Kira, he'll go through Athrun's tortured phase in SEED, which reinforces the idea that revenge doesn't pay; if he doesn't kill Kira, he'll be the epitome of someone who has overcome the desire for vengeance. Someone like that isn't likely to die)
- Dearka (probably the only one of the original ZAFT Elites to not be swayed to the pacifist side by a violent event - Milly's knifing attempt notwithstanding - Dearka living would be perfect for the overall Gundam theme of peace over war)



EDIT - There we go, I managed to find it

[Son_Pan]

LOL! i really dot know what to expect. i just hope everyone lives! cept for yuuna of course.

[Akirou]

There's a handful of people out there who actually like Yuuna, to my surprise. Also, at least one of the original four should die, most likely Cagalli, in my honest opinion.

[xeleron]

Dead: Meryin
Athrun & Cagalli = this 2 couple will die a tragic death
Neo
Dullindal
3 druggy
All the secondary characters like athur

50/50:
Lacus: Everyone wants her dead, but she is the babe princess and got kira for protection
Talia and Murrae

Alive: Milly {Not enough show time to make her dead.. may not even show up at all
Kira {hiz acting more and more like a immune hero.. if there is another GS.. Kira will probably take another essential role

I am half awake right now, so can't really give any reasons for my predictions. ^^ Who the hack likes yuuna????? :mad

[4thokage]

I hope that Yuna will die i hate him
some random MS pilots and Battleship crews who are dumb enough to fight against someone of the main charas
and Stellar.

[Akirou]

I have no damn clue who in the right mind would like him, but I can assure you it's not me.


I agree with the AsuCaga death thing. The love together, and it only makes sense that they die together.


Neo - I have no honest clue, but it'll be up to Murrue. If she shoots him or not, after all, it is Mwu la Flaga fa sho.

Dullindal - Maybe the pilot of the Destiny gundam, like la Creuset was the last evil pilot in Seed. He'll die in the final battle.

3 druggies - As of now, the show no significance, so I guess they'll all die unless they redeem themselves. I have a feeling that Stellar will be the first to die.

Lacus - Everyone wants her dead, nuff said.

Talia Murrue - I don't think they'll die. Just suffer cuz their lovers will like die.

Milly - meh, her existance is futile.

[Mindless]

Well, I'd rather have no one dying and keep living in this wonderful drama-filled space-conflict universe, but that's living a fantasy. If im to name people that MUST/Might, or won't die, I'd name:

Dead for sure: Sannin-druggy-gumi (druggy-trio-group), Dullindal, Kira+Cagalli.

Might die: Luna, Neo, Rey, Bartfelt (Maryu even more depressed, since they seem to get along well....), the orange-haired orange-zaku pilot, +various side-kicks / non-important people. Oh, and Yzak might go too, but if he's going, better take Dearka with him, so count him in too.

Alive: Shinn, Kira+Lacus (these 3 will all get along in the end, for sure) Maryu, Talia, Milly (not much screentime yet (5 seconds?)) and all other people I failed to mention wich seem likely to survive. :P

[Chopstickx]

i have a bad feeling about the whole Archangel crew O_O
and either Kira or Athrun gotta die. they both cant stay alive this time -_-
and i know for sure Neos gonna die judging from the last ED theme...and a ton of other people...

[xeleron]

I must say, there *must* be certain death in this gundam series, especially seeing the lyrics of the new op. "Crying out your tears, the sound of sadness is calling from a disappearing place." Is just asking for death... @@

[Akirou]

Athrun'll die. I don't remember but, I think it was in the 2nd ending. Um, yeah, him or Cagalli, or both! I wouldn't mind if both died.

But seriously, Cagalli was like, not smiling at all, and Athrun was smiling, a bit. Don't you think something will happen? I swear, I've got a gut feeling (again) one of em, most likely Cagalli, will die.

Speaking of Cagalli, she and Lacus will suffer the pattern of being a gundam pilot's girlfriend. One or both of the girls have to die. It's just normal.

And one of them Hawke girls gotta die....and i still put my money on Meyrin. She's barely developed and I find her character insignificant at the moment. Luna's character is there for some major character developement for Athrun, Rey, and Shinn, IMO, so there's no real reason for her to die, unless it's in battle. Just imagine her to be the next Nicol, per say, and that she'll sacrifice herself to save the one she loves, Athrun. xD. Cheesy, but I think so.But I doubt Fukuda will do the same thing twice in one series.


Honestly, I hope no one dies, including Yuuna the fag. But such idealistic views can never be fully sought out by the public, which sucks major shit.

[Nite]

Lunamaria: So Meyrin can actually develop as a character
Mia: We can't have clones running around :p
Dullindal: Possibly evil, and we can't have evil guys running around either =\
Jibril: Same as above =\
Yzak and/or Dearka: protecting Plant.

too lazy to think of any others =\

[Akirou]

I think Yzak'll play a more herioc part in this, so he deserves to die more than Dearka. Then that leaves that Shiho girl to her lonesome....oh well, there's bound to be a lot of eligable bachelors up there in plant. Alls ya gotta do is pick! xD

[kevin77]

Milly - meh, her existance is futile.


Milly? nonono. Her existance has a lot of meaning, especially to dearka. It was love at first sight between those 2, well, almost love at first sight.

But she's probably gonna die and get Dearka killed at the same time.

Her first boyfriend was not cool enough to be worth dying for. In Destiny, she will die alongside her true love. Death will grant them the eternity they wished for.

[xeleron]

Her first boyfriend was not cool enough to be worth dying for. In Destiny, she will die alongside her true love. Death will grant them the eternity they wished for.

Wow, that sounds like both of them want to die/death wish. :blink I am sure they can live happily together outside of destiny's screen time. :P

[Akirou]

Awww....how Romeo and Juliet! That's how I want the couples to die, if any are to die...that would be most idealistic!

I'm sure all of Seed's original cast of couples found time to "love" one another on and off set. xD and with two years of peace, you've got a LOT of time on your hands.

[kevin77]

Wow, that sounds like both of them want to die/death wish. :blink I am sure they can live happily together outside of destiny's screen time. :P


Bof, they'll live happily for a while and then they'll get married and have kids. And then they'll start fighting coz Dearka is too stupid to find a decent job. And then Milly is gonna start cheating on him, and then they are gonna want to kill each other again....

And yeah, 2 years is a lot of time. Actually Talia and Gilbert found each other in less than a day.

[Akirou]

well, they sure hit it off pretty quick. No surpirse there. Now we ladies know what Gilly looks for in women.

[kevin77]

Well, i guess this is how adults do things.

They are just too tired of having to go thru all those date games and faking shyness to look cute and bla blas b4 reaching the real goal.

We youngsters are so much more romantic.

W00t! for young ppl!

[xeleron]

Wow, does that mean when we are like 40-50.. Sex will be the first thing in any relationship??? lol... sounds like an interesting life

[Akirou]

......ahem.....as incredibly enticing as this conversation is, I'd like to stick to topic please.....

[kevin77]

Wow, does that mean when we are like 40-50.. Sex will be the first thing in any relationship??? lol... sounds like an interesting life


Hahaha yeah, dude, u owned me on this one.

ok, let me rephrase my theory. Adults who are still sexually active will go for quickies.

EDIT: i think stella is gonna die coz she is freaking FOUR's clone!!! Yeah i'm back on topic!

[O-ushi]

Y'know its very difficult to say who's gonna die this time. GS Destiny aint as predictable as GS was.
For all we know every human and Co-ordinator might perish leaving one Co-ordinator and natural to start mankind over :eek:

[Mith252000]

Err, don't think such a thing would happen unless Tomino takes over as director.... Nah, j/k. Hmm, maybe Aeul would die first. :P

[Raegan]

Y'know its very difficult to say who's gonna die this time. GS Destiny aint as predictable as GS was.
For all we know every human and Co-ordinator might perish leaving one Co-ordinator and natural to start mankind over :eek:

Oh man, tat's like a complete rip off from evangelion

[O-ushi]

Oh man, tat's like a complete rip off from evangelion


I already know that :P

[Akirou]

....that would be kinda creepy....I'd hate to think who that last two standing will be. Maybe Stellar and Shinn....if either live to see the end, I mean.


But, we all know that's not bound to happen. And deaths aren't as predictable as before, which makes it more fun for the fans to foreshadow the events of tomorrow.

[kevin77]

I've always felt uneasy about those "one man and one woman to start mankind over" thingies. I mean what if u get really unlucky and the children are only boys?

Anyhow, anybody else thinks Meyrin has no chance whatsoever to survive this thing?

[Akirou]

I do! I definately do!


She's the reason Luna will continue fighting for ZAFT. Her death will just cause her fire of hatred(if she had any to begin with) to grow, and she'll stick with ZAFT to avenge her. Whoa, all this revenge and avenging crap is killing me.

[kevin77]

Her death will just cause her fire of hatred(if she had any to begin with) to grow

lol, yeah that's what i was thinking. What the hell is she doing in the army? Her behaviour has been so... casual and stuff. When u look at shinn and rey, u can feel they are fighting for a cause, but Luna has just been flirting around since the beginning of Destiny. I'd like to see her scream more during a fight.

[Chopstickx]

yup same thoughts right here. the red uniform in Zaft means that u graduated top in your class. so maybe she only made it cuz of her brains?
hmm...just another note but i think Yzaks a dead man walking O_O

[kevin77]

Dunno 'bout that. Little punks like him always survive at the end. ^__^

[Akirou]

or he could die a herioc death protecting plant, who really knows.

Also, if Luna were to graduate, I would picture it as this. Uh, I dunno what the teachers are called, so i'll call em like uh, supervisors, I guess. And just for fun, I'll make him like 19-20 sorta ish.


Random supervisor: Luna, you're gundam battle skills are mediocre, and your test taking abilities are nothing to brag about. I truly wonder if you will ever graduate this.

Luna: Well, what do you prupose I do? *thinks for a sec*.....I know....extra credit.

Random supervisor: Extra credit? Explain.

Luna drags the dude into her room and gets it on.

Afterwards...

Supervisor is sweating a waterfall: YOU PASS!

Luna smiles and throws a V-for-victory sign!

[narutofan20052005]

or he could die a herioc death protecting plant, who really knows.

Also, if Luna were to graduate, I would picture it as this. Uh, I dunno what the teachers are called, so i'll call em like uh, supervisors, I guess. And just for fun, I'll make him like 19-20 sorta ish.


Random supervisor: Luna, you're gundam battle skills are mediocre, and your test taking abilities are nothing to brag about. I truly wonder if you will ever graduate this.

Luna: Well, what do you prupose I do? *thinks for a sec*.....I know....extra credit.

Random supervisor: Extra credit? Explain.

Luna drags the dude into her room and gets it on.

Afterwards...

Supervisor is sweating a waterfall: YOU PASS!

Luna smiles and throws a V-for-victory sign!

That could've happened and i think it happened.

[Chopstickx]

or he could die a herioc death protecting plant, who really knows.

Also, if Luna were to graduate, I would picture it as this. Uh, I dunno what the teachers are called, so i'll call em like uh, supervisors, I guess. And just for fun, I'll make him like 19-20 sorta ish.


Random supervisor: Luna, you're gundam battle skills are mediocre, and your test taking abilities are nothing to brag about. I truly wonder if you will ever graduate this.

Luna: Well, what do you prupose I do? *thinks for a sec*.....I know....extra credit.

Random supervisor: Extra credit? Explain.

Luna drags the dude into her room and gets it on.

Afterwards...

Supervisor is sweating a waterfall: YOU PASS!

Luna smiles and throws a V-for-victory sign!
lol theres never anything that doesnt go through your mind =P

[Mindless]

Haha. Tensai-sex-plot-maker in action.

A simple question though.

Is that what you would do, or is it just what you think Luna would do? :laugh

Nante-ne! :P

But seriously, I can't see why they are "Red Coats". I mean, if they are the top of the class, what's the middle and bottom layer? Are they the poor ones that get blown up in about 2 milliseconds? Probably.....

I think Shinn is a great pilot most of the time. Rey have shown the skills but he just seems to be a "stand-by-and-watch" person. OK, when Shinn took down the whole fleet, Rey was ordered to stay on deck and defend the Minerva, but still, he could have at least shot down a few more mobile suits, right? Luna just seems to be there for the short-skirt part.

Anyway, starting to stray of the stubject, don't you think?

[Akirou]

...or the filrtatious girl that a lot of guys wanna f*ck.


And uh, I don't think I'd choose to sleep with my teacher, considering the fact that the majority are female, and old. Oo

Yeah, ya catch my drift.

[Mindless]

Haha. I'd rather not sleep with my teacher too. The only 'do-able' one is my english teacher. But I got straight A's so I got no need to 'make it up'.... if you catch my drift....

Now, let's not talk about having sex with teachers. That would be illegal, and not to mention, totaly wrong. But still.... I can't help to think that my english teacher is very hot. Still in her twenties :P

Anyway, back to the topic.

I won't forgive the producer if someone of the main character dies (Kira, Shinn etc.), Athrun is a acceptable sacrifice. He dosen't seem to have much joy in life. Beeing troubled over the things his dad said and did, Cagalli beeing in a forced marriage and stuff like that.

[xeleron]

Anyhow, anybody else thinks Meyrin has no chance whatsoever to survive this thing?

Meyrin hasn't really spoken a single word in destiny. Hopefully, she will actually say something before she dies, and I don't mean by screaming during death sentence. I really think they have to make destiny into like 75 episode to really develop all the new characters since they spend so much time on the old.

[Mindless]

It is as you say xeleron. With all these new characters that have to develop (or do they?) plus the old characters, it sure seems tight to fit it into 50 episodes (or less?)

I'd like a gundam with more episodes than others. But as far as I know, most Gundams they have made so far are either 39, 49, 50, 51 or 52 episodes long. And I see no reason for them (I might see a reason why I want more) to change that number to something else.

And what's up with poor Meyrin dying? Sure, her beeing Lunas sister and all, she must add something more to the character development than just meeting her in the hall saying "Onee-sama, welcome back" -or something like that. That's just pointless. Hopefully, things will become clearer as the story progresses. We are still in the 1st quarter of the anime. (If it's going to be a normal 50 ep gundam.)

[kevin77]

Meyrin hasn't really spoken a single word in destiny. Hopefully, she will actually say something before she dies, and I don't mean by screaming during death sentence. I really think they have to make destiny into like 75 episode to really develop all the new characters since they spend so much time on the old.


Totally agree dude. We need more of GSD. I really share ur hope of seeing 75 ep of this series.

Yeah, Meyrin didn't speak much yet; she was too busy pimping the entire Minerva eng crew lol.

Speaking of teachers; my intro to financial accounting teacher is ubber hot. She's in her mid 30's, blonde, 5 foot 7, really nice body, really nice face. And she dresses really well too: the other day she came to class with a mini skirt and it was -20 outside. She probably came with her car, but still....There are tons of sexy teachers teaching management courses.

[BattousaiMS]

The ones who will die according to meh:
- Cagalli
- Arthur
- Auel
- Sting
- The Orange MS Faith Pilot ( i believe he is german)
- Izak
- Deaka
- Neo
- Ray
- Lunamaria (if Cagalli dosn't die)
- Dundiel (I always mess up his name)
- Jibril (Doh!)
- Maria (fake Lacus)
- Bartfield (something is tell me he gonna bit the dust in the end)
- Evil Patrick Zala wannabe leader (i think one might come)
-Yuna (Hope he dies first)
- Yuna family, dada mom, even the bitches, the whole family whiped out(Hope Shinn is the one to do it, that would gain him some extra points).

[kevin77]

- Yuna family, dada mom, even the bitches, the whole family whiped out(Hope Shinn is the one to do it, that would gain him some extra points).


Sup Hitokiri BattousaiMS sama!

Whiped out or wiped out? i'd personally prefer the former since it involves more of those sadistic flagellations.

[Akirou]

....why do I start the inappropriate topics? WHY?!?!!


Anywho, that would totally suck if Mia were to die, and the real Lacus died as well. Now who can the people of PLANT watch in admiration?

[kevin77]

Well, If Lacus was to die, i'm sure they are gonna clone her. But if Mia dies, everyone is just gonna go "bleh"

If both die in some kind of explosion that annihilates their bodies, Athrun can always become a pop-star. He's got the looks, he's got the car, voice doesn't matter.

[xeleron]

If both die in some kind of explosion that annihilates their bodies, Athrun can always become a pop-star. He's got the looks, he's got the car, voice doesn't matter.

totally.... time to forget about school!!!

Well, If Lacus was to die, i'm sure they are gonna clone her. But if Mia dies, everyone is just gonna go "bleh"


Lacus die, Kira has to stick with Mia, which may give him more excitement.

[kevin77]

haha, yeah. Mia is so much more energetic. Plus she looks so vicious and devious minded. I'm sure she can fully satisfy Kira.

[Akirou]

...and has a strong resemblance to that Azrael character in seed.

And she's got a better rack to boot, but no, I think for now, he'll stick with Lacus.

[kevin77]

And she's got a better rack to boot

Haha, nice expression. I think i'll add this to my dictionary lmao.

[Akirou]

Thanks for using one of my "colorful" expressions, kevin, much appreciated!

Anywho, uh, yeah, CAGALLI'S EXISTANCE IS FUTILE!!!!!!! *runs from Cagalli fans*


Don't hurt me. I'm a strong supporter of her, but hell, I think she's gonna die. Without her character, that gives ORB a chance to be bad, and take more charge and stuff like that. Also, Athrun can move on, and he'll have a reason to fight. Hell, Fukuda might surprise us and keep her alive till the end, but she'll probably suffer the same fate as Flay in Seed. Meh, just a theory. He character is just too important, and must be wasted. It just adds more drama. But honestly, and god almighty knows, that I don't want her to die. If anyone, I'd choose some druggie.

[kevin77]

*sigh* those poor little bastard druggies...nobody likes them. Maybe that's why they take drugs.

[Jh1stgen]

Lacus bc it's getting to the point where I think PLANT want to replace Lacus with Mia so the wnnab Lacus can control the public

[Akirou]

of course Lacus' life is on the line, but I wonder if these random assassination attempts will succeed. Meh, I'm negative today, so yeah, she would probably die.

[xeleron]

I will be optimistic today. Lacus and cagalli MUST live. They are the symbol of hope and light. Without those two beauty, the world with tremble before dark vadar.. o.. wrong show. cagalli + kira = princess + skywalker in SW.. They dont' die, so why would should cagalli?
Cagalli must take control of orb in the end, and steer them back in to the neutral zone. Lacus must be the politician she has always been, and screw up Gilbert's vicious plan. Assuming how "lengendary" archangel is... both orb and zaft basically gave them an immunity pass (won't die). Cagalli and lacus probably won't die.

[Jh1stgen]

Obviously Cag will live ... or who will rule Orb? Definitly not Yuuna. I still think Lacus will die. If an assasination plot against Lacus had been planned. What makes you think they'll stop? That twisted Gilbert has something up his sleeves *cough Mia

[kevin77]

I will be optimistic today. Lacus and cagalli MUST live. They are the symbol of hope and light. Without those two beauty, the world with tremble before dark vadar.. o.. wrong show. cagalli + kira = princess + skywalker in SW.. They dont' die, so why would should cagalli?
Cagalli must take control of orb in the end, and steer them back in to the neutral zone. Lacus must be the politician she has always been, and screw up Gilbert's vicious plan. Assuming how "lengendary" archangel is... both orb and zaft basically gave them an immunity pass (won't die). Cagalli and lacus probably won't die.


haha, this show does remind me of star wars sometimes; like all those laser saber fights and ppl sensing other ppl dying...

I'm gonna say this again: Gilbert is not evil...IMHO.

And i think they'll stop trying to kill Lacus coz that one man army named Kira is protecting her.

[Jh1stgen]

Can't protect 24/7 you know >>

[Chopstickx]

if either Lacus or Kira died [which is a high possibility IMO] then the other would probably die too... wouldnt feel right if only one of them survived o_O

[kevin77]

well, if kira dies and caga dies, then it's gonna be asuXlacus time again!

[Chopstickx]

well, if kira dies and caga dies, then it's gonna be asuXlacus time again!
lmao. that would be soo wrong if that happened :laugh
Fukuda would probably be attacked by fans

[Jh1stgen]

lmao. that would be soo wrong if that happened :laugh
Fukuda would probably be attacked by fans

Most likely I'll be the first :amuse

[Akirou]

Well, this might be just me, but, yeah, if Cagalli were to die, it would just add to the drama, and dammit, the fans love that. But she is a pretty kick ass character, and on the top of one of them popular lists, so if she were to die....RAID AT FUKUDAS!!!

[kevin77]

I wouldn't raid his house. If he does kill Caga, i'd just give him credit for surprising me. As long as he doesn't turn Gundam into a joke (like the first few ep of ZZ), i'm fine with it.

[Akirou]

o.o

Fukuda has a lot of audacity to do the unthinkable. I'm sure he'll do something to kill off the majority of his fans.

[BattousaiMS]

Lacus wont die...

Cagalli will, if it wants to gollow the UC trend. Because Athrun is the Char Aznable of GSEED, he has lost all other people he cared about, and Cagalli is the only thing he cares most now, thats y he always wants to protect her, failiure to protect her will make Athurn go Dark and follow his fathers words.

The reason why Lacus probably wont die is because unlike Athurn, Kira had found a purpose which he stick by it, unlike Athurn who is still drifting. Besides if the final battle of CE series does happen in a ACC (Athrun's Counter Attack) who else do you want to carry chibi Kira in her belly? As for Athurn he got losts of woman to carry for him, most likely Lunamaria if she dosnt die. It's gonna be her or Cagalli that's gonna die in the end to get him to the dark side, anyway.

Maria will die, it's gonna be funny if Lacus kills her. Or even Funny Kira kills her and thiks it's Lacus and then she goes "You been Punk'ed/Xed" like Asthon Kutcher or Jaime Kennedy does. :laugh

[Akirou]

That would be some hilarious shit. And then Ashton Kutcher pops outta nowhere and says that. That would be one helluva storyline.

[O-ushi]

Dullindal is a DNA expert and Kira is the Ultimate Co-ordinator. This leads to one conclusion.......................

Gundam Seed Destiny Episode 50;

Dullindal; (To a beaten Kira) Kira, I am Your daddy

Kira; (Screaming) NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

:jk

[xeleron]

chibi Kira in her belly... lol.. that is just too funny... apparently, getting the children outta of the way does alot for a couple!

[Mith252000]

Hmm, nice one. Haha, I would like to see this happening. :P

[kevin77]

lol, u guys can really pull out some funny stuff hehe.

Between "You been Punk'ed/Xed" and "i am ur daddy" i think i almost died laughing twice!!

good stuff good stuff.

[Akirou]

it is somewhat like that kinda storyline, though, if you think.

Dude, when they pulled off the Kira and Cagalli being related thing, that was like a star wars sorta thing right? Meh, I never liked starwars, but I do remember the Luke I am your father thing. I think Fukuda has an obsession with star wars. xD

[xeleron]

I just love your runaway bride banner, akirou.

[Mindless]

Actually, I thought right from the moment I saw Athrun and Kira that they where brothers. It sure seemed likely. I mean, they are both much cuter than the other guys in the anime. Yzak has no talent with women therefore he is 'sold-out' to that Shiho or whatever, wich surely matches Yzak. She looks evil. Dearka sure seems to have talent with women, but he's got it all wrong. That time in SEED when he hit 'THAT SPOT', when Milly's boyfriend died. Ahh, that is true talent.

But it turned out that Kira was Cagalli's brother. Wich sure seemed wierd. They aren't related as in birth from the same person. Kira came out of a tank while Cagalli came out of her mother's womb. Funny how they can be siblings.

But it is as you guys said. Athrun is a very uncertain person. He has drifted from nice guy, to ZAFT, to pacifist, and to ZAFT once more. Kira has stayed with the same people all the time. Not that I can blame Athrun for not staying with the same people. After all, all his superiors died, including his dad. While Kira just lost his 'precious' Frey, how sad.... (actually I luaghed at that moment). And that uncertainty will surely grow stronger if Cagalli was to die. But still, it's quite unlikely that she dies. I mean, she's with the legendary Archangel, the legendary Freedom and her ultimate coordinator brother. Plus she has the SEED-ability, unlike some *cough* Luna, Rey *cough*. Also Bartfelt is with them and he's a quite keen pilot. At least he was in SEED. He was probably the first person to be a match for Kira.

[Akirou]

I thought the same. But still, I think she'll die, I'm keeping my hold on that.


But, yeah, I thought they looked freakishly alike, which was weird, IMO. But yeah, they pulled a "Luke" on me and for the rest of the series I was like, damn.
And about Dearka being good with the ladies, I thought that from the start. Meh, he's got playboy material, but i think it's just the hair and that freakishly hot smile. 0.0....I'm such a girl.

Oh, and thanks for the input, xeleron. Much love. You want me to make you one?

[xeleron]

sure, I would love a banner from you ^^ your creativity never cease to amaze me.

[Akirou]

wow, I'm flattered. I get most of my inspiration from all these old movies (by old I mean 20th century old) my mom forces me to watch with her. o.O, yeah I know. Uh, just PM me the details.

[Mazrim]

I'm wondering if Cagalli is going to bite the dust. Her death (provided it was in an attempt to save orb or make orb come to their senses) would be a typical heroic action but it would push Athrun and Kira forward. I'm guessing one of the druggies (Auel or Sting) are going to bite the dust too. Stellah needs to stay alive to 'save' Shinn. Although her death would push shinn over the edge or make him realise that war is horrible. Who knows. Lunamaria's sister seems like she's going to get cannon foddered. I'm crazy though. What do I know?

[kevin77]

I'm wondering if Cagalli is going to bite the dust. Her death (provided it was in an attempt to save orb or make orb come to their senses) would be a typical heroic action but it would push Athrun and Kira forward. I'm guessing one of the druggies (Auel or Sting) are going to bite the dust too. Stellah needs to stay alive to 'save' Shinn. Although her death would push shinn over the edge or make him realise that war is horrible. Who knows. Lunamaria's sister seems like she's going to get cannon foddered. I'm crazy though. What do I know?


Nope u ain't crazy. I also have the feeling that destiny will be one of those epic animes where main characters will die in mass. It would be sad, but it would immortalize GSD in ppl's heart.

Good banner indeed Akirou :amuse

[Tanon]

It's almost a given that a lot of main characters are gonna die...but you sometimes wonder how many, depending on how far they want to extend the storyline. I honestly think Aeul, Sting, and Stellar will all eventually die; probably throughout the series, instead of all at once (or Sting and Aeul together, Stellar later). Cagalli MIGHT die, depending on which direction they push Athrun regarding his relationship; I think it's kinda pointless to keep her from getting married to Yuna if she's not going to continue her's with Athrun. The fake Lacus (her name slips me now) will probably die too; from going power hungry...though just a thought, she may kill Dullindal before she goes and take over the council. THAT would be a twist.

Oh, and your banners DO rock, Akirou ^_^

[kevin77]

Intersting points. I do think sting and aeul are gonna die together and leave Stellar behind. And i also think that Mia is gonna be the one to end Gilbert's life.

But right now, Caga and Asu are totally in love. I think they'll get to see each other a last time right b4 one of them or both get killed. :crying

[Mindless]

Well. The druggies where dead the moment you realized they where druggies. Why? It's just the fate of people concidered as disposable's. But still, "Neo" seems alot more caring than Azrael in Gundam SEED. Anyway, they will probably blasted away later in the anime. That's just a feeling I got.

As for Cagalli. If Kira, the Archangel, Bartfelt and herself as well, where to black-out for a second, she could probably die. But it's not very likely since they are all very good and experienced pilots (apart from Cagalli maybe, but SEED-mode makes up for that). Also there is a mech yet to match the Freedom in battle. And I don't think Kira will protect his sister any less than he's protecting Lacus. Also, one thing that disturbed me. In ep15 on the bridge when Kira gave Cagalli that lecture, did you see that empty smile or totally unexplainable expression on Lacus face? I smell fish.

Right now in the anime. Everyone seems to be going to the Suez canal to fight againsts the EA / protect the EA. The Minerva set out to go there if im not totally wrong. Then "Neo"'s ship probably set out to go there too. And the Archangel probably will too once that damn recap is over. Then the ships will probably have a sort of triangel-drama. Kira, Cagalli and Bartfelt kicking the butts off the EA forces, the Minerva doing the same. Then that "Neo" guy makes entry, and says: "Kurae! boku no yber gundams!" and sends out the druggies and everyone goes "OH NOES!!" on the Minerva, because they can't seem to handle their own mobile suits. I mean, Kira held of 4 of them in Gundam SEED, while the Minerva only have to hold of 3, and they are 3 pilots to take care of them. Anyway. So the battle starts, and the Minerva guys send out their precious little Impulse and Zaku Warriors, and I almost forgot, Athrun and his Saviour. Then they start fighting against the EA Druggies. And start to get beaten, eventhough they all seem to be equally skilled (exception for Shinn, he has SEED), but they still get beaten. Then *WOOOSH* comes a big fat laser shot from the Archangel, almost shooting of a leg on a druggy gundam. Then out flies Freedom, Strike Rouge and Bartfelt's Murasame and save's the day. The Minerva crew at first thinks "More enemies!?" but then they see how Kira has in 2 seconds chopped off all arms and legs of the druggie gundams or at least forced them back with all that firepower. Then he greet's Athrun a bit and has a nice talk and Athrun thanks Kira for taking care of Cagalli. Then suddenly you hear in the background "UAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!! YOU KILLED MY FAMILY!!!!!!!" and Shinn snap's and starts to attack Kira but it is all in vain. Kira kicks his butt, wrecks his Impulse beyond recognition.

Can't write any more, school soon. :notrust

[Tanon]

Wow...take out the sarcasm, and I think Mindless just summarized the next ten of so episodes of Destiny :-x

[Mazrim]

Yeah, Tanon. No kidding.

Any guesses as to the name of Shinn's new uber gundam that they show in the opening? I'm gonna go with Pride Gundam. Don't ask me why. I have no idea.

[Mindless]

Well, Mazrim. The fact is that Fukuda has already named it Destiny. So that's it's official name.

And naming it Pride? That would have been strange I think. And as far as I can tell out of pictures on Destiny, it dosen't seem like a long/mid range gundam. It's more of a close combat. I can't make out any form of guns except for maybe the biggest upper wing pair on it. Folding them over the shoulders and using them as cannons. Kind of similar to Freedom. But I surely don't think it matches it in long range fighting. Try to compare Freedom and Justice. They are nothing alike. The Justice was more of a fast interceptor mobile suit while the Freedom was pure strenght and power. I think there will be something like that between the Freedom and Destiny too. But who knows. Kira (or someone) has yet to demolish the Impulse.

[Akirou]

Wow, wow, wow. Much love from the peeps who like them siggehs! lol, if you ever need one, I'm here for ya, dawgs. Just give meh a PM if you want.

The Impulse is one of those "put together in the last minute" sorta gundams, cuz it just ain't impressive. but maybe it's cuz we compare it to the Freedom often. Meh, that's just my input.

[Tanon]

Eh, I don't think the Impulse was as much slapped together as it was new technology. Up to that point, they didn't have any suits that used Core Fighter and seperate part technology...so it was the basis for any other units that used that type of system. They made it as basic as possible as to keep it simple. Who knows, it may have been made from spare parts from the Strike project...lord knows it's packs are pretty much the same.

[narutofan20052005]

Eh, I don't think the Impulse was as much slapped together as it was new technology. Up to that point, they didn't have any suits that used Core Fighter and seperate part technology...so it was the basis for any other units that used that type of system. They made it as basic as possible as to keep it simple. Who knows, it may have been made from spare parts from the Strike project...lord knows it's packs are pretty much the same.
Yup, u might as well blow each part up as they leave the Minevra

[Tanon]

Heh, if I were close enough to the Minerva to shoot the Impulse's flyers as they were launched (which would be a hard task, considering their speed) I'd just go into the hangar and do a number to the Minerva from the inside.

[Mazrim]

Crap? He already called it Destiny? Whoops. There goes the pride name. Where does he call it Destiny?

You're right Mindless about the justice and freedom comparison. Maybe the Destiny is more close range oriented since the Justice has incredible long range weapons? I just want to see more zaku and their varients. I'm hooked.

I've never really liked the transformation invulnerability in some anime/cartoons Unless the changes are super fast, why don't you just shoot at them while they change? I can understand the first time it happens since there's the shock factor but after seeing it a few times. Dude, just shoot.

[Tanon]

I have a feeling that it's happening pretty quickly. I mean, for us, it may take five-ten seconds for the complete transformation, but I doubt it takes that long in real-time (real time as in the anime) because whenever the action resumes, it's as if it was near instantaneous. But iunno...it's one of the many mysteries of anime :p

[Mazrim]

Yeah. You're probably right Tanon. I'll just blame it on the wizards. Anyway, back to the top of this thread. Hehe.

I'm guessing Daerka (sp?) or Yzak are going to die too. I'm just not sure which will bite the dust. Maybe Dullandil will bite the dust too. Lunamaria's sister just appears to be more and more like a walking K.I.A statistic.

[Tanon]

I still say my prediction of Gilbert's death will hold true. He tries to get Fake Lacus (damn my crappy memory) to disappear (not kill her, but have her fade from the limelight). She's so intent on being important, she ends up killing him and taking over his spot as leader of ZAFT, taking the further into war.

Or something like that >_<

[dspr8_rugged]

Actually, I'm waiting for Episode 49 of Destiny. It is in this episode where most people get killed. Remember Gundam SEED Episode 49? Just imagine how many of the major characters died in that episode alone.

Or better yet, if Tomino handles even one episode of Destiny, expect the "unexpected deaths".

For the sake of answering the question, I had the biggest hunch that Stellar Loussier would most likely die, that is if she is really patterned after Four Murasame of Zeta Gundam. Regardless of which, she, for me, has the highest chance of getting killed. Oh yeah, add the other druggies. They're unlikely to become good guys.

Of course, Neo Lorrnoke will most likely die. Most masked men in a Gundam series died, with the exception of some like Char Aznable and Zechs Marquise.

Seriously, I don't like to get my hopes up. As I said, I'll continue watching till the end. :)

[me_is_david]

One of the 3 EA pilots are going to die... and it's probably going to be Sting
He seems like the most caring of the bunch and smartest and somehow these types always die first... he's like an Orga of the 3 original druggies

Stellar I hope never dies because I love Stellar lol, if she has the same fate as Four since they are alike them dammit -_-...

Neo probably won't die... he might lose his mask and become good b/c I really would be shocked if he wasn't Mwu.... -_-
they have given so many hints that just scream Mwu = Neo
Zechs lost his mask became good... I think Char did also
If Neo isn't Mwu then his ass is dead haha

Rey also might die... he's a Fllaga clone or something... he probably is going to die also later on

those are the only ones I think will probably die ...

In the later episodes...probably Auel is gon die...maybe Mia also

[Wren]

Actually, I'm waiting for Episode 49 of Destiny. It is in this episode where most people get killed. Remember Gundam SEED Episode 49? Just imagine how many of the major characters died in that episode alone.

Or better yet, if Tomino handles even one episode of Destiny, expect the "unexpected deaths".

For the sake of answering the question, I had the biggest hunch that Stellar Loussier would most likely die, that is if she is really patterned after Four Murasame of Zeta Gundam. Regardless of which, she, for me, has the highest chance of getting killed. Oh yeah, add the other druggies. They're unlikely to become good guys.

Of course, Neo Lorrnoke will most likely die. Most masked men in a Gundam series died, with the exception of some like Char Aznable and Zechs Marquise.

Seriously, I don't like to get my hopes up. As I said, I'll continue watching till the end. :)



what about char's counterattack...i thoguth that ended with char pushing daisies...then again i havent seen it in years so dont midn me :P

[Akirou]

Okay, now that Destiny is actually, slowly but still, progressing, I think I have a little more of a hunch as to who will die.


Heine - We all saw that coming. He's like a mix between a Nicol/Miguel sorta character in Destiny. I mean, he wasn't there long (like Miguel) but, Athrun was fond of him (Hence, Nicol). Just a thought.


UPCOMING DEATHS: (or so thought up by me)

Stellar and the other two druggies - There's really not much reason for them to be there, except for Stellar. I mean, she's the only thing alive that makes Shinn look human. Causing her to die, would bring more than angst to Shinn's already dislikable character. But, it would bring some much needed character developement to him. Anywho, like someone up there said, Stellar is very much linked to Four, (like, she loses her memories of Shinn and yeah) and well, I can see her really dying, to much of my disappointment.

Neo - Well, if he is Mwu and confronts Murrue, and he dies for sure this time, I'd hate for Murrue to suffer anymore. But, if he isn't MWu and just a clone, and ends up going good, then he will surely be killed, probably by Yuuna, only reason being since Yuuna seemed to have put a lot of trust in him. Or Neo will die another heroic death...again.

Gilbert - PLEASE OH PLEASE, let him die. I'm reallly not liking his character at all. But, I forsee him being very close to a Patrick Zala/Kleuze figure and maybe he'll be the new evil pilot for the "destroy" gundam. And well, if this holds true, and going along with the gundam cliche, he'll die fighting. Or he'll die a political death. Meh, for me, as long as he dies. But what of Talia? She'll go angst just like Murrue did in Seed.

Main characters almost never really die. I can see rey dying, but I've got some....ok, maybe a lot, of doubt. I just can't see how they're going to kill him though.

Meyrin Hawke - porbably the same fate as Flay and Natarle, gets transported to some other ship or something and dies. Poor baby. Or, gets K.I.A, but either way, this would add to Luna's already pathetic character developement. Let's face it, Luna (being a main character) seems to be just there and is a hyperactive fangirl. Killin off her sis would just give her some much needed developement, and hopefully, after that, I might actually like her character. But, if they decide to keep Meyrin alive (WHICH IS HIGHYL UNLIKELY AND VERY STUPID!!!), then she'll develope. But, she's barely had enough screentime for me to really care.

Pic a Lacus, any Lacus. I just hope it's Mia. Theres not enough room for two. Mia seems to be the likely candidate anyway. Killing off Lacus, would just bring more sorrow into Kira's character. hasn't he dealt with enough?

I can see why some people think she might die. I mean, in one of the future epis, they say she and Waltfeld go and see Dullindal. DUM DUM DUM!!!! You think of the rest.

THE MAYBES:

Yzak and Dearka - Haven't seem em too much so I can't really decide. I can see those two breaking away from ZAFT after they hear about the Lacus assassination attemts and joining up with the Archangel. And I can see them dying some herioc deaths. AND YZAK CAN DIE FOR CAGALLI! (*tear* just like in Seed...*group awwww*) and Dearka for Mirre, or Yzak. (here I go with that nasty yaoi again)

THE JUST PLAIN STUPID IF THEY DIE DEATHS:

Cagalli - Yeah, you know how I went ranting off about her dying in some pages back? Yeah, let me take that back. If she dies, who the fuck will rule ORB in her place and keep her father's ideals alive? Surely not that purple haired fag, Yuuna (Add him to the upcoming deaths). Fukuda can be stupid a lot, and dense to add, but he can't be soooo dumb to kill off Cagalli and leaving ORB in the hands of that fag. Plus, if you take time to notice, Cagalli's the only real natural main character. Athrun, Kira, Luna, Shinn are all coordinators and Rey's a newtype. Dude, if they kill her, then I forsee the rest of Destiny going in favor of the PLANTS and coordinators. DAMNIT, that would suck ass. She needs to stay alive to represent the good in naturals. I mean, Jibril (Add his name to the death list, he's the next Azrael figure) represents the evil in naturals. We need a good guy, in this case, girl, and that's Cagalli. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT IF THEY BREAK HER UP WITH ATHRUN!!!, but I will GIVE A SHIT if she dies.


Actually, killing off any of the main characters is just a stupid thing. People argue with me that Flay, Mwu, and Natarle were cast aside in the shadows for their deaths and were not given much credit. WELL DUH! They were secondary characters. Fukuda wanted to kill off Kira in SEED...but didn't....thank god.

Killing off main characters = angry riot in JAPAN and really stupid.


Let me add a little something. I remember somewhere I read that Yuuna likes girls with long hair. In the EDs, the first one anyway, you see Meyrin with her hair flying. Yeah, I have a hunch Yuuna and his people are gonna manage a way to get her to their side. Maybe like that one incident with Flay and Kleuze.

[dspr8_rugged]

Oh yeah, I also want Yuna dead. I have to say he's the worst character I've seen in terms of attributes and most likely... the looks. :D

Gilbert Dullindal, on the other hand is, yeah, most likely to die. Though his VA did Char Aznable as well, so most likely he will "survive" just like Char did. Anyway, seriously and kidding aside, he is apparently the schemer of worst things to come. Though I doubt he will pilot the Destroy Gundam since Destroy is an EA model (since it starts with a "G", like most EA MS, and if it were a ZAFT model, it's designation should be ZGMF), unless he "steals" it (again we have stolen Gundams in this case!). Not to forget he still has a connection to Meer Campbell.

On the thing regarding SEED characters dying in Destiny, here's what I think...

If Destiny IS Zeta, it is unlikely that old characters would die.

But of course, I would say that Fukuda and the rest of the Destiny crew aren't going to "refer" everything to the old Gundam series, will they?

Or unless Tomino comes in directing one episode, and as I said, all hell will break loose - even sending the likeable characters to their sudden deaths.

[Inquisitor]

Hmm, good observation on the Destroy Gundam.

Now, I suspect that we won't see many characters die until around the end when they have the customary massive battle. I want to say that Dullindal, the grand villain of the series (IMO), will die, but, as has been said, he has Char's voice, so he might live on. Anyway, I think we will see Stellar be the lone survivor of her group so that she can go off with Shinn (the kid deserves a break as far as people dying goes), but as for Neo and the other two EA gundam pilots I think they are going to die horrible, painful deaths (nothing against them, it's just that most deaths in a Gundam series are painful).

[Akirou]

But didn't someone, other than me, clearly state that she is somewhat linked to Four in Zeta? If this fact holds true, than her death is already confirmed, or should be. But I think that if they killed her, Shinn would be forced to become an even more unlikable character, and I really don't want that now.

[Baka-Sama]

hey Akirou i think u missed some1. wat about the Desert Tiger guy? in the 2 Opening of GSD they showed his mobile suit in flames, and Neo pointing a gun at the captain of archangel (keeping 4geting her name). mayb neo kills that desert tiger o.O?

[Akirou]

WooT! Time to bring this back up...all over again....*sighs and stretches*


mmm'k.

Lemme see.

Um, hearing all these crazy-ass rumors that Cagalli is coming back with Strike Rouge in Epi 28 and Shinn's gonna attack her with Imuplse. Then, there are two fanbased endings to this rendezvous:

1. Cagalli dies.

2. Cagalli goes MIA and pulls a Kira on us, and magically comes back.

Well, here's hopin for numba two! And, then, I hear that because of the lack of presence in the OP, she's gonna die. Not like the OP means much, but to me, hell, it speaks to me in ways that people really don't want to hear. But, yeah. People think that because she's not naked in the first part of the OP, she'll be dying. WTF? Try to get facts straight before you assume things. People like that piss me off.

Anywho, she can't die this fuckin early. Here's thinking she'll die and suffer the same fate as Flay later on in the series. But that got me thinking. The majority of the people say that Stellar's gonna die. I think so, too. But, then, that leaves Shinn single, and well, if AsuCaga is still kickin, and then Cagalli dies, both pilots go through major angst and lead a lonely love life. That would suck, ne?

I've already stated the reasons as to why Cagalli can't die, and if you wanna read em, I'm not going through the hell of re-typing them, so get your lazy ass out there and search for em.

Then, another thing:

The way Cagalli looks in the new OP (which gets on my nerves completely), people compare her "pose" as having the same vulnerability as Flay had in SEED. Once again, the Flay comparison to Cagalli. But, you gotta admit, the comparison is getting so close, it's scary.

Dude, I say, to hell with this. They can kill off Cagalli, get her out of her misery and mine, but they better have a helluva good reason for it.

[Baka-Sama]

T.T. i dun want cagali to die. she looks cool. and i was reviewing some old Gundam Seed episodes and i found out that cagali has the SEED( check episode 49). and she is pretty good with the SEED. so im wondering if Shinn realli could take down Cagali i mean she is one of the survivors of Jakin Dule and most of the people who survived is pretty strong, no?

[me_is_david]

hey Akirou i think u missed some1. wat about the Desert Tiger guy? in the 2 Opening of GSD they showed his mobile suit in flames, and Neo pointing a gun at the captain of archangel (keeping 4geting her name). mayb neo kills that desert tiger o.O?

That wasn't Waldfeld's Murasame behind Neo and Murrue
it's a Windam....pretty sure its Neo's Windam but can't really tell if its purple of th enormal color cuz of the fire
I doubt Andrew will die...again...if he does he better stay dead this time

as for characters dying...I guess Fukuda changed his mind about killing one of the three EA pilots midway into the series

but for now..I say the person who has the highest chance of dying in the whole series is....and I hate to say it....Stellar T-T

since she is most likely Destroy's pilot and Destroy is like Psycho's twin in CE universe and Four is Stellar's twin in CE ... they might meet the same fate T-T
but I'm hopin Fukuda changes his mind and decides to keep Stellar alive...
Kill off anyone else I just want Shinn and Stellar alive... and Auel and Sting but thats doubtful :wink

IMO Cagalli would get owned by Shinn if they both are in SEED mode
Shinn's an actual pilot with experience...Cagalli hasn't piloted as much as Shinn IMO..I think Shinn can beat her without SEED
Cagalli almost died in Jakin Dule or almost got hit hard by Forbidden
I don't think she's that great of a pilot...its just for the fans...all the SEED stuff
all fan base IMO...I mean they gave Lacus a SEED too

[Akirou]

I heard rumors that Auel might die in epi 28. Not for sure though, but hey...

[Chillin]

You know who didn't appear much in the newest OP video...Rey. Hell when the Minerva mobile suits were flying in the sky they only bothered to show the turn sequences for Luna's Zaku, Savior, and Impulse. Rey's Zaku was already in the back. Not to mention only Lunamaria and Shinn were walking together. Could be a sign he could be gone very soon

[Son_Pan]

oh...Rey Dying?

hmm, i kind of saw it comming..so soon though? well, i kind of see him going crazy and joining the EA or something. lol. cause by the looks of ep 24 he was produced by them rite? and then i thought he would die in the last battle of seed destiny or something. i duno.

[Akirou]

Rey? Hmm, never really though about him. He's the kind of guy that's just...there.

Anywho, I guess it's a destined thing, correct me if I'm wrong in the future. But, yeah, he's got a score to settle with Neo, so it seems and I'm looking forward to how that will end up. To me, it seemed just like how Mwu was like itching to kill Kreuze in SEED. Just look at the similarities.

[me_is_david]

well..IMO the people who are naked seem to paly or will an important role in the later episodes

Shinn - obviously
Athrun - obvious
Murrue - maybe she meets Neo and gets his memory back or helps him
Neo - Who is Mwu
Rey - something important later?
Stellar - obvious
Lacus - obvious
Kira - obvious

again this is basing on my opinions and one of mine is that Neo is Mwu


witht hat said..my point being I don't think Rey will die fast
if he only appeared once in the OP ... he appeared in an "important" part of it
Cagalli didn't...so she might be one to go also

and btw they did show Rey's Blaze Zaku when they were flying
it went Savoiur, Blaze, Zaku, Impulse

one thing confusing is the pic of the Minerva...and only the crew is there..no ZAFT Reds
either they made the shot only for the bridge crew or the ZAFT reds leave Minerva later
but tahts a whole other thing and this is about deaths =P

[Akirou]

Do you think Seed holders have a better chance at living?

People with SEED:

Kira
Athrun
Cagalli
Lacus
Shinn

[Baka-Sama]

yeah i tthink so. the pplz with SEED did seem to get out of very tight spots when they were at SEED mode. ex: when he turned to seed mode he was crazy. did u c how many battle ships he sank? not onli do the pplz with SEED get stronger but also smarter.

[Akirou]

Well, not quite. Cags was in SEED in epi 49. But, she almost got her ass shot by some random MS, but Yzak came to the rescue (that's why I'm forever greatful to that boy, even though I think hi has some gender issues)...So, there's still some problems. But think of it this way, she was a natural piloting an MS for the first time. Cut her slack.

But yeah, I doubt any of the SEED bearers would be shamelessly thrown away.

[NejiHinata]

Well, not quite. Cags was in SEED in epi 49. But, she almost got her ass shot by some random MS, but Yzak came to the rescue (that's why I'm forever greatful to that boy, even though I think hi has some gender issues)...So, there's still some problems. But think of it this way, she was a natural piloting an MS for the first time. Cut her slack.

But yeah, I doubt any of the SEED bearers would be shamelessly thrown away.

Yzak has gender issues because of his MILF mom wanting him to look like her. Blame her for his issues. Anyway: The ones I think will die in Destiny is one of the old four(take your pic. Though I think it'll be either Athrun or Kira as the girls are too popular and Fukuda isn't Tomino), and Rey, Sting, and Auel. Stellar's life depends upon Luna's relations to Shinn. If they are the couple...Stellar goes kapoot. If Shinn and Luna are just familial like in their releations with eachother...Stellar and Shinn live happily ever after. Again, this is because Fukuda isn't Tomino. Fukuda likes everything all bright and cheery.

[me_is_david]

Well, not quite. Cags was in SEED in epi 49. But, she almost got her ass shot by some random MS, but Yzak came to the rescue (that's why I'm forever greatful to that boy, even though I think hi has some gender issues)...So, there's still some problems. But think of it this way, she was a natural piloting an MS for the first time. Cut her slack.

But yeah, I doubt any of the SEED bearers would be shamelessly thrown away.

Cagalli almost died in Jakin Dule or almost got hit hard by Forbidden

She almost got her ass shot by Shani =P
beh..He should've blown her ass up...damn you Yzak :mad
haha just kidding :P
But I shall miss Shani, Orga and Crot...they were so cool :sad

but yeah... I don't think SEED matters..only for Shinn, Athrun and Kira
cuz it actually makes sense for them to have it
but if I recall SEED mode is just going beyond your capabilities...just that some people can awaken it easier than others
Cagalli's is sorta reasonable with SEED..but wtf? Lacus? all she was doing it sitting there commanding...she isn't even the one controlling the weapons so why does she have SEED?
For the fans =P

[kitlim]

Yeah I agree. Wonder why lacus has the seed for? Doesn't seem that it can save her life for that matter.

But I would at least cagalli try to put out a good fight before being shot down rather than just staying stationary in midair and got shot down by shinn.

[NaraShikamaru]

Yuuna Roma ... HAS to die lol...and emm Kira i want him to die!!

[Stealthwolf]

Why don't people like Kira. He has stopped crying like he did in Seed and now he has good reasons to not kill people. He was a civilian afterall who wasn't in the military.

And agreed with Yuuna dying.

[Eupackardia]

OK ...so let me get this right...after analysing everything you guys said, I conclude that:

Everyone's gonna die except for shinn and Kira...everyone else bites the dust one time or another.
Dullindal is the meany, lacus and caga are the princesses and the Yuuna is an as*hole
OTher than that, the druggies are gonna get killed, cagalli is not sure to be in episode 29, and athrun is flipping a coin to see if he's gonna go dark or not...

Anyhow,
Now that epi26 has revealed us Lacus is going to visit the whatchamacallit Dullindal in PLANT with Bartfield as Bodyguard. Lets say that the two last minutes were kinda you know...it seems as though Kira won't see Lacus ever again

kinda makes me wonder what will happen next...

[Akirou]

Hey, are you a Rurouni Kenshin fan? Cuz if so, you are like totally my new best-est friend!


Cags was said to go MIA like in epi 28...I think...

[soso]

For some reason I think Athrums going to die because hes not in any of the new gundam pics on the intros theres no battle picture with him kira and shinn fighting neo or anything

also I think kira may be the one to kill him because what other reason would shinn have a fight with kira (there duel prev's in the intro)

On another note, I love your tags Akirou

[Akirou]

Fukuda doesn't equal Tomino, so I seriously doubt Fukuda is stupid enough and has enough balls to kill off Athrun, a popular character, and a main one, no less.

Athrun's been in every single Destiny OP and ED to date. PLease point out to me where he hasn't been in one.


Really? Thanks about the sigs. Meh, being a girl, it's hard to pick up enough courage to look at hardcore yuri and hentai sites (where all the good artists really are...seriously, you don't find really appropriate pics that make Cagalli look anywhere near herself. It's all the hentai artists that draw her well). And I want to start on a new project, but CAN'T FIND ANY GOOD GODDAMN PICS OF CAGS!

[Eupackardia]

XD Ya I am a fan of Kenshin but I also like gundam héh.

Don't want anyone to die but if they have to, then I hope there's a good reason for it! :'(

Or else I'm gonna find a way to harrass Fukuda ... or just hack into his personal PC! XD

[Kaydence]

In a magazine, it was translated that in Phase 28 of GSD, that Cagalli would be 'shot down' by Shin. However, it is quite likely that she'll pull a Kira and somehow, beyond all reason, end up alive. In my opinion, her complete death would be absolutely pointless and leave far, far too many open ends. Also, yes, someone made a point earlier about her being the only natural, main-stream character. The entire theme of GS and GSD is about how the two should be able to co-exist peacefully. Now, Cagalli has been in GS and GSD since the beginning, since Phase One of GS and up till now in GSD.

Athrun would be greatly affected by her death. The last time they spoke, in Phase 25, nothing was accomplished. In fact, it was left open-ended whether there would be a relationship at all. If this is not resolved and leave with strings untied, how could Athrun continue with a love interest? Any love interest, be it Meyrin, Lunamaria or Mia Campell. All three of those characters are not nearly as original as Cagalli, and I’ll explain why in a minute.

Meryrin: Absolutely no screen time. She’s obviously not that important in the series. She’s your typical quiet, shy character that’s just to color up the background. She’s nothing but a 2-D piece of cardboard, though she would have been much better then Lunamaria.

Lunamaria: I almost shuddered when she came onto the screen. I cringed, but refrained from shuddering. She is, in my opinion, a cliche, badly thought out character that’s been re-used in every single anime imaginable. I have no idea why anyone would like someone like her. She’s merely interfering with Cagalli and Athrun’s relationship. If you compared her to Naruto, she would play the role of Sakura. She’s just there to fill up the space and there for guys to google at.

Mia Campell: Unlike the previous two, her existence has actual relevance to the plot. Without Meyrin or Lunamaria, the plot could go on. Without Mia, it could not. She is not your typical character. She’s not perfect. She has flaws and in many ways, symbolizes a Flay. I don’t like how she’s interfering with Athrun’s relationship with Cagalli, but I do believe her presence is a brilliant plot point. In my opinion, far, far more tolerable then the cliche, non-realistic Lacus. Don’t you dare say that Lacus is realistic. She is not. No one is that beautiful, that kind, that talented and that intelligent. She’s the fanservice in this series.

Cagalli, unlike the others, except perhaps Mia, has an actual personality. Her motives are realistic, you can relate to her, and for once, she isn’t perfect. She’s a tomboy, she makes mistakes, she’s a Natural. If she were to die for certain, then I’m almost sure that Fukuda has just scrapped GSD for several fans. At least, those who can think. Athrun cannot date anyone else until there is closure between the two. Kira broke it off with Flay first, and we all knew the relationship between them could, and would not last. It was meant to develop Kira. Cagalli and Athrun’s relationship is the real-deal. Her death would amount to nothing.

However, her fake death is another story. It would force Athrun to think about what he’s doing and it’ll force him to make a decision. He’ll finally push Mia Campbell and the other girls away. If he doesn’t, then I’ve lost all respect for him. He’ll also finally decide what he’s fighting for and whether it’s really worth all of the effort. Her fake death will also prove to develop Shin as even though I’m certain he’ll act as if him shooting her down was justified, he’ll still feel the impact.

He met her. He knew her. He hated her, but that was something that wasn’t within her power. Cagalli is not being stupid if she gets into the battlefield again. If her friends are fighting a losing battle, she’d be an asshole NOT to go out. Friendship is a theme in this anime. She’s fighting for her country, her ideals and her friends. Now, if she’s going out because of Orb, she’s still not being stupid. She cares about her country. Caring does not make someone stupid. If she dies, it is not her own fault. It is the fault of Shin, who shot her with the knowledge that she did not mean to harm their forces.

Cagalli may die later in the series when things are settled, but I’m certain it will not be here. She has settle things with Athrun and Orb. Orb is a symbol of peace, and right now, its in turmoil. She first needs to make Orb neutral again and right the wrongs of Yuna and Unato. Afterall, if she dies, what happens to the entire series’ themes? It crumbles. Orb cannot survive, Athrun cannot become involved, and there will be no Natural-born main characters.

Those are just my opinions, I’ve justified them, and if you want to challenge them. Go right on ahead, I’ll keep defending them.

[Mindless]

I'm speechless. That was the perfect post. No way I can complain about that.

*many reps for Kaydence*

But if Cagalli, in Phase 28 (next weeks episode) does get shot down by Shinn, people wouldn't just stand by and look, right? I mean, Kira is there after all. He would go berserk and decimate the whole fleet there, along with Shinn and the Minerva. Also, I can't see how she would get 'killed'/go MIA. I mean, in the episode where the Archangel appeared last time, Kira's main objective was to protect Cagalli, or so it seemed. So if they where to shoot her down, I don't just think he would let it swim, nor would Athrun.

[Akirou]

I LOVE YOU KEYDENCE!

Wow, someone who enjoys Cagalli's character as much as I do! I love you so much. And he proves every single point as to why Cags should stay alive. Her death would be rather insignificant and would lead angsty lives for the main boys, Athrun and Kira. Shinn probably couldn't care less, probably gonna be hosting a party.

But, I want to defend Luna here. Wow, those are seven words I never thought I'd say. Although I somewhat agree, it's only cuz I love cagalli, but still, she is considered a main character. Although these past few eps showed her doing absolutely nothing significant, I'm sure she'll redeem herself somehow later on.

[Kaydence]

Personally, Lunamaria hasn't done anything that I'm particularly fond of so far, but there is a possibility. Its merely that Fukuda hasn't put enough thought into her character to make her the most original female on the cast. She's filler. Cagalli in the original SEED was absolutely wonderful and Fukuda, unless, this is part of his big plan to get her personality back into shape, has really screwed up tossing her assertiveness out the window.

Cagalli, as well as Athrun and Shin are going to grow in character. That much, is for certain. Is she doesn't, then I deem this anime absolutely horrible. Those three, if you notice are the ones that need to primarily grow. Lunamaria, will most likely do the same and though I don't hate her, I find her ignorance of the situation annoying. She doesn't understand that Athrun doesn't love Mia, her or anyone else except for maybe Cagalli and that he's merely too shy to do much about it.

That is in one respect, an area he has to grow in.

However, if their relationship is tossed out the window, then I will be mildly upset. I'm a huge Athrun and Cagalli fan, because their relationship actually has depth. Lunamaria is a fan girl, Meyrin has a little crush, and Mia Campbell has an obsession. None of these girls actually know Athrun nearly to the extent that Cagalli does and if he happens to choose one of them, any of them, over her, then I've lost a whole lot of respect for Athrun and Fukuda.

Oh, I'm pretty certain that Cagalli will go out to try and stop the Orb forces from attacking again. Either that, or Shin and the Minerva are heading into trouble and Freedom as well as the Archangel try to back them up. Shin, being the hothead he is, will get upset and probably without thinking, attack Cagalli, deeming them an enemy. Of course, I'm probably not giving Fukuda or Shin enough credits. Not that I intend to until he shows a reason to. Afterall, GSD, to my knowledge so far, has not quite lived up to GS.

XD Anyway, I have to run seeing as there's somewhere I need to be.

[Eupackardia]

Lets wait and see.
I must tell ya Kaydence the message you posted was pretty detailed indeed.
*clap clap hands*
X) XD

[Kaydence]

Ah, it wasn't too detailed, but it was enough to give you the basic idea of why I feel a certain way about characters. I believe its stupid to go and post, "0mG3rrzz!!! cAgz li3kzz s000 rullll33rzz!" For one, I don't give any reasons as to why to she rules and two, that writing makes my eyes bleed and takes far too long to type out. Mm, anyway, what do you guys think on the matter of Cagalli and Athrun's relationship? Do you personally think it'll last through Lunamaria and Mia Campbell?

[Akirou]

Athrun is a puzzle to me. Simple and clean as that. He's too indecisive as it is with his matters with ZAFT and his personal love life. IN episode 25, he really had no right yelling and Kira and especially Cagalli on her "marriage" to Yuuna. He had like what, 10 episodes to think about that? He really didn't have to yell. But, in his defense, I want to say, that Athrun did proclaim his love for her in episode 8 with that ring, but she personally made the decision to marry Yuuna. IMO, that hurts. She was basically (use that ring as symbolism for Athrun's love) ripping that ring off her hand, throwing it on the floor, and crushing it with her foot to little itsy bitsy pieces. That's just my intake. But she did she alot of worry and concern for him and how he was doing, so that made up for it. ^_^


Anywho, back to Athrun. Personally, he really should deal with his affairs for politics and loyalty TO SOMEONE and stick with it. His retardedness is starting to piss me off. Personally, if he wants to stick with ZAFT or go with AA, I don't honestly give a shit. I just want him to make up with gay ass mind and stop angsting and get over his sorry self.

Episode 26 pretty much put a small, but somewhat stable hold on AsuCaga's love for one another. They were angsting like all episode. Personally, I want it to last. I mean, all that character developement in SEED and in Destiny, their thrown away like a used napkin? Bullshit! That was just a waste of my time then, and Destiny will be an even bigger waste.

But, the only way that AsuCaga could possibly break up is if one or both of em die. Athrun dying? Hardly possible. Cagalli? Very possible, only after she deals with her affairs with ORB, yes, but otherwise, it's just plain stupid if she were to die.

AsuCaga is a symbol of hope for true peace among naturals and coordinators, if Fukuda and his people actually think that far deep. Breaking them up would be stupid. Mir and Dearka is another nat/coor coupling, but man, they aren't that popular or significant enough for me to care.

Mia Campbell could possibly "like" Athrun, but most likely its cuz of orders. She'll seduce the boy only to make him see it Hers and Gilbert's way of seeing things. But still, I see no major reason for Athrun to go falling in love with her. Protecting her, yes. But loving? Hell no.

Lunamaria - The OPs and EDs I think pretty much say it all. I think she'll eventually give up on Athrun sooner or later and go for Shinn. Again, i think she's trying to hard, and she's a little desperate for comfort. Meh, go for Rey already. Leave SHinn be to his own angry self and his psycho girlfriend. Right now, all she seems to be here is to look cute and fanservice.

[Kaydence]

Akirou, you have quite made my day.

Athrun right now, is perhaps one of the most bullshit idiots ever. What he's doing is almost as bad as trying to kill Kira. Cagalli's death would be quite angering, and unless they both die, together, then that's rather disappointing. And I agree with your views. I wanted Luna and Rey to hook up, but it seems Luna's just there to aggravate anyone with a brain right now. I'll type more later, I need to eat.

[Akirou]

Meh, Luna's another somewhat confused bitch. Right now, I don't know why the hell her and her sister are in ZAFT. To hook up with guys? That's what I think right now, since they don't do much of anything else. I want Luna and Meyrin to have some purpose. Meyrin was rumored to die soon. Personally, who cares? I think it's stupid to kill her cuz she's barely had enough screen time. Same with Auel. He's rumored to die in epi 28. Once more, not enough screen time for me to care much for him, despite the fact he's sooo cute.

Cags death - Meh, we've practically named every single reason alive. xD But, surprisingly, I've got more for ya. I mentioned this several pages back, but cuz I'm sympathetic to the lazy asses out there, Cags can't die.

1. She's the only "major" character left that's a Natural. When I say "major", I put it in qoutations only cuz, she's not getting the screen time she deserves. Everytime she is on, she's getting bashed or she's angsting. Please spare me. There's more to the girl than frucking undies fanservice. Anywho, her being the only Natural with a seat of power that actually believes in pacifism shows hope for her people and other naturals all over. Her death would leave the main cast as coordinators, which I believe is a bad thing cuz then I picture the war going in their favor, which is bullshit.

2. SYMBOLISM! AsuCaga = Peace. Her death would mean Athrun'll have to go crawling to some other girl (Luna/Mia who cares) and she's obviously a goddamn coordinator. Once more, that just trashes out the whole ideal peace among coordinators and naturals.

3. Who the fuck will rule ORB whilst still keeping its original ideals? Yuuna and his father are newbies here. The couldn't give any less crap for Uzumi's ideals and they just want victory for Naturals. Keeping Cagalli and her father's ideals alive = PEACE!

I really was hoping Cags would go MIA. That would guarantee her living in the future. Now I'm just scared as shit. I mean, *back to the OP3*, she looked soo frucking vulnerable. Meh, I'm gonna go cry in the corner if they fucking kill her. I mean, I seriously doubt she'll gain much control by the end of the series. Unless she gets ORB outta the EA and back to neutral successfully, she should stay alive until the end.

Anyway, there's my two cents.

Onto Athrun's fanclub of airheads. Seriously though, I don't see why any of them try. I can understand Mia, *reason stated last post*, but Luna? Meh, she's just a flirt. I think she should just give up and go for Rey. Why him? Shinn's got Stellar, and Athrun has *techincally* Cagalli. I just assume she loves getting herself in love triangles. They really all should just give te fuck up. He doesn't care for any of them at all. Maybe for Meyrin, but like as a big brother sorta love, and nothing more.


Hmm, what else did I have to say? Damn, I'm getting old.

An official convo on another forum regarding rumors:

WinteStaRz wrote:
germanturkey wrote:
in a way, that guy with the beard could be a spy for the EAF.. (maybe) because Neo said that the Minerva was leaving port now. (how did he know that?) so the guy could be spying on the minvera and following it to keep Neo up to date. Remember that the desert group Cagalli was in during SEED was against ZAFT. So the guy could have joined the EAF to keep fighting after the war was over.

This is possible but I think it is least likely. Sahib knows Cagalli & in fact he mentioned to Mwu before that he deems EAF juz like ZAFT forces who R only keen to gain control of more territories. I think he was the one who informed Cagalli abt Orb's Fleet planning to attack Minerva again. When Cagalli was sitting at Lacus' place in AA, she recvd an incoming notification & Milly was the one who retrieve the msg in order to inform the crew. The msg is likely to be from Sahib.

Whatever. It can be Shaiab because:

Spoiler:
Cagalli is still alive as we she her in episode 32. she joins some resistance fighters against Yuuna/Jona that is probably why Kisaka returned and Shaiab is part of the group.

I agree with WinteStaRz more... tt bearded guy is more likely to be a respondent for AA... if not how can AA noe who orb is targeting so quickly? Unless there is a spy in Orb - Captain Todaka but he has to be patient... waiting for all info to be gathered b4 sending to AA so even as he is not happy with yunna, he has to pretend to agree... n maybe becos of him cagalli will be able to meet up with the ‘rebels’ in orb that were under yuuna’s control to try to overthrow the Seiran family tt tried to upsurp the Athha family’s power...

Meh it's confusing, but it got me pumping. Back to the resitant day for Cagalli should help a lot with all the stress and angst she's going through.

One final note, even though Fukuda and his writers have no shame, I doubt they have enough balls to kill off Cagalli, and AsuCaga as well, considering they are the *cashcow* couple, and you all fucking know it.

[Kaydence]

I agree completely.

Anyone who doesn't, support yourself or you're going to get raped.

From my perspective, killing off the Athrun and Cagalli coupling would kill off several, several ideals and themes in the series, which I find utterly pointless. Her actual death, unless it was a death for Athrun, after everything, her country, her ideals, her love issues, have been resolved, would be pointless. If she died for Athrun, it proves that a Natural can love a Coordinator enough to die for him, thus showing that they can not only co-exist and tolerate each other, but they can come to feel for one another.

That is the only reason that I feel she should die for. Her country? Its been done, by her father. Repeating the process would amount to absolutely nothing except more criticism from assholes such as Yuna and Unato. I also heard a rumor about her joining up with other forces in Phase 32, which I'm rather thankful for.

And though I agree with everything, I do believe that Cagalli will regain her seat of power. She has SEED, which I personally believe means that she has the ability to change something. In this case, this something I believe, is Orb and perhaps even influence the war. Fukuda is being an ass by tossing her assertiveness completely out the window, but I have hopes that she'll regain it in a much more, controlled and mature way. She can't keep letting her Council completely overrule her. She has to establish her position so that they know she's capable and respect. In order to do that, she has to have some level of her old confidence and aggressiveness.

The opening had me worried for awhile, since they didn't show Cagalli at all. Also, generally when you kill off a character, don't you show them alot? Especially a character as important as Cagalli. Right now, I figure she'll be in the backseat of the anime doing behind the scenes work, only to come out on top later when everyone else is in a shit-to-hell situation. Athrun, Kira and Cagalli are going to end up on the same road, same ship and come to be on the same side. Unlike a crapload of people, they're not fighting for a particular side, they're fighting for their ideals. Arguably, you could say Cagalli is fighting for Orb, but more so, she's fighting for peace and to keept Orb's ideals, the same ideals her father died for, so that Orb doesn't have to engage in combat.

Also, I am almost certain Mia Campbell will die. She's a Flay. She will seduce Athrun, he will most likely either completely shove her away after Cagalli's death which he better know about, [since if he doesn't, it would be a shitty plot point and they would've thrown an ingenius move out of the window], or Athrun will sleep with her. They'll get thrown into a warped relationship which eventually breaks off before her death. [Also, this could possibly be planned by the Chairman, seeing as he could manipulate Athrun this way.] Athrun left feeling guilty both for cheating on Cagalli and not protecting Mia, would have serious stress to deal with during the war and certain things to say. More angst. More development. Its a pattern.

That entire scenario is just what I gather might happen in the end. To be honest, I wouldn't mind if Athrun and Cagalli both die, together. I think it'd be cute, but to be honest, they must stay a couple until the end. If they don't, then I'll be quite upset with Fukuda and stop watching the series, as I'm certain, many others will. Anyway, those are my two cents on the matter. I've forgotten a lot of what I wanted to type, but I'm sure it'll come back to me sometime in the future. XD Laters.

[Akirou]

Holy Shit.


You give me something to live up to. =D

But here's my opinion on her joining that old resistance force:

1. It explains why Kisaka's in his "Rambo" outfit. xD

2. I hope it really gives her a confidence boost and she'll regain that old assertiveness. Then she can go over to her coucil and whatnot and give them a piece of her mind. Now that'll be something I want to see in the near future.

On your Mia seduction piece, I really doubt Athrun would steep so low as to sleeping with the woman. That'd be one helluva whip and chains to bring that boy down. Athrun, despite his unearthly stupidity, isn't disloyal. The only time he'd probably sleep with her is if he knows that Cagalli is ok with them being separated for good as a couple. He's not Kira. He's not gonna go and sleep with other women for his own sorry pleasure. Plus, Athrun is scared as shit of Mia. Why the fuck would he want to sleep with someone who fucking scares the shit outta him? There goes the fanatic *I-FUCKING-HATE-MIA-AND-ASUCAGA-ALL-THE-FUCKING-WAY* me again.

Speaking of the OP...I hear some people around some other forums saying that in the near future Athrun and Cagalli will be sleeping together. Meh, I don't know. Maybe it's cuz of the undies shot. I don't really care, I think it's just going to be speculation. Of course, I wouldn't mind one.

Anywho, more Athrun angst? Sometimes, it takes a person or two to get him to snap out of it before he gets back to normal and sees things in a new persepective. Note many moments in SEED with him and Cagalli (episode 31) and several episodes later. Yes, it's a good source of developement, but he needs support to get through it. Cagalli and Kira were actually the only ones who did help him through it.

I doubt many people would stay to watch Gundam after Destiny if anything happens to the canon couples. As I said before, it's a money maker (AsuCaga, KiraLux, etc) and Fukuda, despite some of his stupid decisions, isn't that stupid. Money makes the world go round. I'm sure it's the same case for him and his writers. So I doubt he'd do anything stupid.

[Kaydence]

True, they are the money couples and splitting them up would cause riots. I doubt the producers would allow it. Afterall, they didn't allow for Kira's death.

In my speculation, I'm pretty sure that Mia will try to get close to Athrun and Athrun, out of pity or whatever the hell reason, will allow it. After Cagalli's death, he's going to need comfort, and I'm certain, if given the chance, Mia would latch onto him. I think Mia, as a Lacus fan girl, has always wanted to actually be Lacus and dating Athrun would make her so. She'd tried to manipulate him and vulnerable as he is, Athrun might succumb.

He's always been a follower and throughout the entire series, he hasn't pushed any of the girls away, I really do hope he decides to give Mia and Luna a fucking piece of his mind. Its all about Cagalli and Athrun. Anyway, I can't post much for this one seeing as I have to go somewhere. Anyway, I'll be back later.

[Akirou]

Whoa whoa whoa. I wanna get a clear picture of where you got the whole "Cagalli dying" thing. You lost me on that last post. xD I knew I forgot something....

Do you mean MIA? If so, those rumors are false.

[Eupackardia]

before Kaydence returns, I must say this to ya...-_-"....you two really got a natural gift as to writing long paragraphs...took me 30 minutes to read all this!!!

Since you two made it out so clear, I don't have much else to say.

..gang de po d'vie...

[Akirou]

Meh, I'm the best writer in my whole goddamn family. Everyone's good at math and science and that crap. I'm right brained yo, and PROUD!!!!! xD

ANYWAY!.....other than Athrun and Cagalli (which the show isn't exactly revoled around upon)....there are other characters! xD.

In episode (the next one), Auel's supposed to die. Do you think Sting'll go down soon afterwards? Cuz we all know Stellar's gonna live to pilot DESTROY.

Also, just one more comment regarding AsuCaga. lol

I'm really disappointed how the rumor that Cagalli would go MIA was trashed. DAMMIT! I really wanted her and Athrun to get some character developement through that. I was crawling like a baby when I found out otherwise. Crushed man, just crushed. Instead of making her go MIA, she's gonna meet with anit Seirans people in secret. Where's the fucking developement in that load of shit? Tell me!!! I swear to fucking God, this is worse than killing Cagalli. They're frucking reducing her character to a fuckin nothing. To me, that's bullshit. I WANT TO SEE HER KICK ASS ON THE BATTLEFIELD AND OFF!!! I want to see her grow up as a leader and a fighter. Right now, meeting with her supporters can't guarantee that, which is starting to piss me off.

[Kaydence]

No, she does go MIA, I think. In screen shots of episode 27, you already see her go out in the Strike Rouge. If I wasn't so lazy, I'd go out and get the raw of 28, but I am. I think she does go MIA because that'd develop her and idiot Athrun.

Where did you guys hear that the rumor was false?

[BattousaiMS]

In a magazine, it was translated that in Phase 28 of GSD, that Cagalli would be 'shot down' by Shin. However, it is quite likely that she'll pull a Kira and somehow, beyond all reason, end up alive. In my opinion, her complete death would be absolutely pointless and leave far, far too many open ends. Also, yes, someone made a point earlier about her being the only natural, main-stream character. The entire theme of GS and GSD is about how the two should be able to co-exist peacefully. Now, Cagalli has been in GS and GSD since the beginning, since Phase One of GS and up till now in GSD.

Athrun would be greatly affected by her death. The last time they spoke, in Phase 25, nothing was accomplished. In fact, it was left open-ended whether there would be a relationship at all. If this is not resolved and leave with strings untied, how could Athrun continue with a love interest? Any love interest, be it Meyrin, Lunamaria or Mia Campell. All three of those characters are not nearly as original as Cagalli, and I’ll explain why in a minute.

Meryrin: Absolutely no screen time. She’s obviously not that important in the series. She’s your typical quiet, shy character that’s just to color up the background. She’s nothing but a 2-D piece of cardboard, though she would have been much better then Lunamaria.

Lunamaria: I almost shuddered when she came onto the screen. I cringed, but refrained from shuddering. She is, in my opinion, a cliche, badly thought out character that’s been re-used in every single anime imaginable. I have no idea why anyone would like someone like her. She’s merely interfering with Cagalli and Athrun’s relationship. If you compared her to Naruto, she would play the role of Sakura. She’s just there to fill up the space and there for guys to google at.

Mia Campell: Unlike the previous two, her existence has actual relevance to the plot. Without Meyrin or Lunamaria, the plot could go on. Without Mia, it could not. She is not your typical character. She’s not perfect. She has flaws and in many ways, symbolizes a Flay. I don’t like how she’s interfering with Athrun’s relationship with Cagalli, but I do believe her presence is a brilliant plot point. In my opinion, far, far more tolerable then the cliche, non-realistic Lacus. Don’t you dare say that Lacus is realistic. She is not. No one is that beautiful, that kind, that talented and that intelligent. She’s the fanservice in this series.

Cagalli, unlike the others, except perhaps Mia, has an actual personality. Her motives are realistic, you can relate to her, and for once, she isn’t perfect. She’s a tomboy, she makes mistakes, she’s a Natural. If she were to die for certain, then I’m almost sure that Fukuda has just scrapped GSD for several fans. At least, those who can think. Athrun cannot date anyone else until there is closure between the two. Kira broke it off with Flay first, and we all knew the relationship between them could, and would not last. It was meant to develop Kira. Cagalli and Athrun’s relationship is the real-deal. Her death would amount to nothing.

However, her fake death is another story. It would force Athrun to think about what he’s doing and it’ll force him to make a decision. He’ll finally push Mia Campbell and the other girls away. If he doesn’t, then I’ve lost all respect for him. He’ll also finally decide what he’s fighting for and whether it’s really worth all of the effort. Her fake death will also prove to develop Shin as even though I’m certain he’ll act as if him shooting her down was justified, he’ll still feel the impact.

He met her. He knew her. He hated her, but that was something that wasn’t within her power. Cagalli is not being stupid if she gets into the battlefield again. If her friends are fighting a losing battle, she’d be an asshole NOT to go out. Friendship is a theme in this anime. She’s fighting for her country, her ideals and her friends. Now, if she’s going out because of Orb, she’s still not being stupid. She cares about her country. Caring does not make someone stupid. If she dies, it is not her own fault. It is the fault of Shin, who shot her with the knowledge that she did not mean to harm their forces.

Cagalli may die later in the series when things are settled, but I’m certain it will not be here. She has settle things with Athrun and Orb. Orb is a symbol of peace, and right now, its in turmoil. She first needs to make Orb neutral again and right the wrongs of Yuna and Unato. Afterall, if she dies, what happens to the entire series’ themes? It crumbles. Orb cannot survive, Athrun cannot become involved, and there will be no Natural-born main characters.

Those are just my opinions, I’ve justified them, and if you want to challenge them. Go right on ahead, I’ll keep defending them.

Actually Lacus is more then a fan service. She is one of the main motivators of the series. Her talent is not that unnatural it only looks unatural because most of the girls are somewhat psycho-bitch or dimwit-fangirl type. She is the only other girl apart Cagalli that is somewhat realistic after her it would be Luna then followed by Frey.

The rest are more unrealistic then you think, Mia may have some good character points but she in also more pathetic then Frey could ever be. She is basically the Frey bitch we wanted to see in the end SEED, but that didn't really happen. Meylin has no real plot apart maybe a sibling rivalry. Luna is somewhat important but like you said she is like the army girl representation now that Cagalli is not longer the Army girl type. Stellar is just to psychotic even though she has a plot. As for the rest... well if there are any left that we havn't mentionned then they are really not in the story.

[Akirou]

No, she does go MIA, I think. In screen shots of episode 27, you already see her go out in the Strike Rouge. If I wasn't so lazy, I'd go out and get the raw of 28, but I am. I think she does go MIA because that'd develop her and idiot Athrun.

Where did you guys hear that the rumor was false?


I forgot which magazine, but I know in one they posted the official pictures and summaries for the upcoming episodes. I also know that what you're saying is true. Meh, two official magazines saying two different things.

Oh here's that scan!

http://img245.echo.cx/my.php?image=up340023zh.jpg

[Eupackardia]

Meh, I'm the best writer in my whole goddamn family. Everyone's good at math and science and that crap. I'm right brained yo, and PROUD!!!!! xD

ya mean your left handed ?

Well considering the story, we do see in the preview that CAg goes out with Strike Rouge, and I do agree with Akirou and Kaydence that its just not the time for her to die here in epi28. Nothing can come out of it, it's as if we cut short the story and the hope dies with it. But if it's a MIA, at least there would be a good turn of events and a whole new storyline and character development involving all this and the main plot line will be quite good.

Besides, the way episode 27 ended is really positive and doesn't make me feel as if one will die...unless that's how fukuda wanted us to feel...:confused

I still believe its not the time for cagalli to die..

And oh ya: I can almost imagine the worst death yuna could experience. the two captains under yuna will rebel and kill him one night when he's sleeping and bring his head to the Archangel héhé...
Damn I hate men with long purple hair and such a voice.

there I said what I need to say.

got 2 go do my homeworks.....sigh...
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[Kaydence]

Actually Lacus is more then a fan service. She is one of the main motivators of the series. Her talent is not that unnatural it only looks unatural because most of the girls are somewhat psycho-bitch or dimwit-fangirl type. She is the only other girl apart Cagalli that is somewhat realistic after her it would be Luna then followed by Frey.

The rest are more unrealistic then you think, Mia may have some good character points but she in also more pathetic then Frey could ever be. She is basically the Frey bitch we wanted to see in the end SEED, but that didn't really happen. Meylin has no real plot apart maybe a sibling rivalry. Luna is somewhat important but like you said she is like the army girl representation now that Cagalli is not longer the Army girl type. Stellar is just to psychotic even though she has a plot. As for the rest... well if there are any left that we havn't mentionned then they are really not in the story.

Note that the following is my opinion. x_x I do not mean offense by it, I'm merely defending it and I may sound or come off as agressive. My apologies in advance.

Ah, sorry. Here, I don't quite agree with you. Lacus in my opinion, and my opinion alone, has nothing on Cagalli in terms of originality or realism. She's quiet, sweet, polite, kind, beautiful, talented, skilled, smart and able to act as the CAPTAIN of a ship? I'm sorry, but that in itself does not imply realism. Not only that, but if you look at it, can you find anyone like that in real life? I'm doubtful. People whom are that perfect, do not, exist. Yes, Lacus does move the plot forward because she's a representative and she's a famous, well-respected figure, but she's an unoriginal one. In my opinion, she is unrealistic and is merely there to appease the guys. She's needed there I'll admit, but her character could be slightly different and the plot would still keep going on. Kira needs her and she's a representative figure. If she had flaws, then okay, I'm all for her, but she doesn't, thus my belief that she is what I like to call a Mary-Sue.

Now, as for Mia. She's pathetic. Yes, I agree, but she's far more original then Lacus is. If I were a guy, and wanted to date any of the girls here, Lacus would be the girl that I would go after. Why? Because she's perfect. She doesn't make mistakes. Everything she does is [i]right and kind. Mia, however, is more realistic. She's also there to move the plot along, she's there for a reason. Also, I should mention that I like Flay and though I don't like Mia, its only because I'm a hardcore Athrun x Cagalli fan. Mia is a character's who's had thought put into her, she is original.

Luna is an insult if she's taking over Cagalli's position. Cagalli was a girl who actually acted like an army girl. Luna's here for a mixture of fanservice and to fill the space. They need girls after all. Look, Cagalli looked like she was in the army. Luna, if I didn't know that was a ZAFT uniform, looks like she's ready to go out. [I'd just assume she has odd taste in coats] Who the hell in the army dresses up in a fucking pink mini-skirt, a mini-skirt THAT short? [Can we say fan-service?] No one. Why? Because it'd fly up everytime you move. Not only that, but without Cagalli, I do not think Gundam Seed could have gone on. Right here, in Gundam Seed Destiny, it is arguable that Luna is not needed. She is a filler character. She has no special traits and though this may all change later, she's not quite worth Cagalli's title. In terms of realism, Mia easily wins over Luna.

Stellar is quite awesome. She's an interesting character and I've seen her character done once before. [Anime called Elfen Lied] It was different slightly, but it had the same concept of switching between an innocent little girl and a killer. She's more original then Lacus, but I believe she will die. She will develop Shin, I sincerely hope. I do realize that it sucks for him that his family died and that nothing more should be expected. However, I cannot condone that he's blaming the damned thing on Cagalli. Cagalli was not responsible for his family's death. Hell, she wasn't making jack decisions then, she didn't have the power to. She wasn't even in office.

Meyrin. Well, there's not much to say on her. She hasn't been given enough screen time, but I much prefer her over Lunamaria. Meyrin feels overweight, and inadequate besides her sister, whom not only graduated above her, is skinnier then her, but she actually gets to do some fighting. She to me, would be a hell of a lot cooler then Lunamaria if given the screen time. Fukuda's not doing her enough justice.

XD Anyway, I should be doing my homework. XD But, I do love debating. Keep the arguments coming! ^^

[Akirou]

Meh, this topic is heating up *shocked*...my topics usually die after 3 days, xD.

Anywho, in Lacus' defence (holy shit, I'm doing this?), Lacus only looks perfect because, as BattousaiMS stated above, her real character is overshadowed by the imperfection of the other women. Hell, she ain't the nice "I love everyone in this fucking world" sorta gal. She is capable of feeling hate and sorrow and whatnot. In SEED, she cried when her father died, didn't she? She's capable of love. She's capable of jealousy and anger. Yes, people, the girl has her flaws, if you cons