Shanks(OP) vs. Genei Ryodan(HxH)

[Pipboy]

Red Haired Shanks, the Southern Phoenix and one of the 4 Emperors of the grand line in One Piece faces off against the entire combat Roster of the Genei Ryodan, the phantom brigade, the spider, the feared bandit organization of hunter x Hunter in a epic winner takes all battle.

Neither side is appraised of the opposite sides powers and their confrontation takes place on the sinking Titanic.

For this fight it is assumed that Lucifer doesn't have some auto win button.
Hisoka is not part of the Genei Ryodan and thus doesn't show up
Shanks does not have a devils fruit.
If the titanic is destroyed the fight continues on the glaciers that sunk it.
The screaming civilians trying to get to their life boats are screwed.

[Orion]

well nen baptism...jk lol,shanks is good but i dont see him fighting the whole genei ryodan.

[Pipboy]

Nen baptism wouldn't really harm shanks, he has his own aura that is enough to cause a ship full of pirates (90mil bounty plus by estimation of crew equivalency) to drop unconscious foaming from the mouth by walking past them.

Shanks has so much "aura" or whatever it is in OP that HxH baptism would have to worry more about HIM.

Now I don't know who would win in a confrontation, which is why I made the thread, but the general scale of Shanks attacks is rather above that of the Ryodan and the highest scale of HxH, so I feel safe in saying that it doesn't swing automatically to the ryodan, but at the same time they are a cohesive well trained powerful versatile attack force with alot of options and some real powerhouses, so I am not going to say shanks walks all over them.

[Orion]

shanks isnt surviving a pain packer.

[Orion]

and yea iv read 434 and it doesnt matter how many cannon fodder pirates he knocked out with his aura..nen baptism automatically works on people without nen.

[Graham Aker]

shanks isnt surviving a pain packer.
feitan isnt surviving an attack from shanks to use pain packer...

most likely, the ryodan will fall easily against shanks, save for kuroro, who could perhaps beat shanks...

[Pipboy]

A rookie in Shanks crew is 94 million berries in bounty. To put that in perspecctive, Crocodile has a 160 mill equivalency bounty, and Luffy is a 100 million berrie man.

White Beard isn't going to accept people THAT much inferior to the ones in Shanks crew, which means that those people shanks KO'd by walking by are billions of berries worth of bounty.

So yes it does matter.

Does it mean he wins? No, but it is not something you can dismiss so out of hand.

[Death Fog]

Shanks would beat anyone in the Geneiryodan 1 on 1, save for Kuroro(it could go either way). But him against the entire Geneiryodan? C'mon now. It aint happening until I see something from Shanks that would make him powerful enough to avoid, Pain Packer, Franklin's Double Machine Gun, Shalnarks Antenna, Phinx's Ripper Cyclotron, Bonorenolf's sound attacks, Shizuku's Deme-chan, Nobunaga's attacks, Ubougin's Big Bang Impact, Pakunoda's nen bullets and Kuroro himself with his variety of nen abilities ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

Not to mention that they are a bunch of extremely smart people who work as a cohesive unit for YEARS. Simply splitting up the sky(which wasnt done by him alone, btw) and knocking out a bunch of pirates(albeit, it was Whitebeard's pirates) seriously isnt enough to take out a feared organization like the Geneiryodan.

Is the Geneiryodan seriously being underestimated here or what?

[Scorpio3.14]

A rookie in Shanks crew is 94 million berries in bounty. To put that in perspecctive, Crocodile has a 160 mill equivalency bounty, and Luffy is a 100 million berrie man.

White Beard isn't going to accept people THAT much inferior to the ones in Shanks crew, which means that those people shanks KO'd by walking by are billions of berries worth of bounty.

So yes it does matter.

Does it mean he wins? No, but it is not something you can dismiss so out of hand.

Well first off, thats not a very good comparison. Whitebeard is more of a Don Krieg type captain that has HUGE number of pirates and ships under his command. Where as Shanks appears to be more like a Luffy type captain that only has a small number of pirates under his command. With the larger number, it is likely that he has a larger number of weaker pirates. You really think every one of Whitebeards hordes and hordes of pirates has a huge bounty? :huh

Second of all, being a rookie dosn't make you weak. Its not like Rocksta was a rookie pirate, he is just a new member of Shank's crew. He gained his reputation (and probably) his bounty before joining when he was on his own. On the strawhats crew, Nami has seniority over Sanji and Robin, that dosnt make her stronger lol Also if Franky joins the crew now he would be a rookie member, does that automatically make him one of the weaker members?

There were still a good number of people still conscious on Whitebeards ship and even Jozu commented how weak their resolution was. Face it, there is no evidence that those pirates were more then canon fodder used to show off Shank's power. Its like Luffy beating hundreds of marines at once...

Anyways, nothing Shanks has shown so far puts him on the same level as the ENTIRE Genai Ryodan. Maybe one or two at a time, but the whole group? :huh Shanks was impressive in the recent chapter, but thats just going over board lol

[Pipboy]

When its the ultiamte Nen Technique of one of the most powerful members of the Ryodan, with a specific activation condition that he be grossly harmed causes less environmental damage than the opening strike, an unamed strike in a world were names make something automatically better..... then yes I do not think the Ryodan are being underestimated.

None of the abilties of the Ryodan have been as impressive as a single swing of Shanks blade and once again, given that every feat EVER that the main characters and the supporting cast ever did, shanks can claim supiriority to.

Scorpio

You have no real proof that WB is a kreig style commander, especially given that on 2 separate occasions, the 1st and 3rd division commanders were istting on his ship with him. In fact proof is running in the opposite direction.

Oda gave the 94 mil as a pretty blantant plug for the strength of the crews. Noting that WB's junior crewers (some of whom are foaming now at the mouth) were unimpressed with Rocksta.

[Death Fog]

None of the abilties of the Ryodan have been as impressive as a single swing of Shanks blade and once again, given that every feat EVER that the main characters and the supporting cast ever did, shanks can claim supiriority to.

Please take into account that Shanks didnt split the sky by himself, the strongest pirate in One Piece did it alongside him. Most of the Geneiryodan's abilities are abilities that nullify feats of strength like what Shanks did. Who's Shanks gonna cut if he gets attacked by a Nen Machine Gun from long range? Who's Shanks gonna cut if he gets teleported where the Ryodan are ready to stomp him? Who's Shanks gonna cut if his blood gets sucked out? Who's Shanks gonna cut if he's being controlled by someone? Who's Shanks gonna cut if he loses his memory? Again, this abilities are thrown at him all at the same damn time SKILLFULLY.

The Ryodan ARE being underestimated here.

[Pipboy]

99% of the force of a directly countered attack that produces no motion in either direction is goign directly into the two combatents. The fact that such a display is a side effect is even more impressive.

Lets look at someone like Mihawk, Gunfire is worthless against him, in fact its worthless against 95% of anyone with any skills. Do you think a double machine gun would harm Lucci to any real degree if he caught it on a Tekkai? And what of the fact that Shanks is to Lucci as Lucci is to some Pissant like Nero measurably close but not ibn the same league by a long shot.

You posit all these situation where so and so does so and so. But what about the equally biased and foolish opposite predictions.

I can say that Shanks as a direct equal to Mihawk who can causally destroy gigantic battleships and he himself can split the heavens by the mere byproduct of a swing that doesn't even have a name, will just kill ryodan after ryodan with 13 strokes. Thats silly. And so is what you are saying.

Perhaps the Ryodan can do damage and then Shizuku can suck Shanks dry and they win that way, but don't say silly things.

Shalnark has to plant an antenna

All the direct fighters have to lay hands on him, the mechanics of the teleportation abilty are quite limited in a even matchup as was proved in the fight between lucifer and the zoldycks, pressed he doesn't even bother to use it.

You seem to have mistaken me for a supporter of one side or another and Ryodan Hater. To tell the truth if shanks was getting the lions share of votes I would be here playing devils advocate for the ryodan, but I am not, because it has instead swung that Shanks is being dismissed.

[Scorpio3.14]

You have no real proof that WB is a kreig style commander, especially given that on 2 separate occasions, the 1st and 3rd division commanders were istting on his ship with him. In fact proof is running in the opposite direction.

Just going by 434 alone Whitebeard had what looks like 3 ships with him (atleast two of which are like 2-3 times the size of Shank's ship by the looks of it). When I say Don Kreig style, I mean multiple ships which a very large number of pirates. This is evident by Whitebeard splitting his pirates up into corps/divisions, each lead by a separate commander. My point still stands that Whitebears crew size >> Shank's crew size. All the evidence points to that.

Oda gave the 94 mil as a pretty blantant plug for the strength of the crews. Noting that WB's junior crewers (some of whom are foaming now at the mouth) were unimpressed with Rocksta.

Yes, the crews are strong and contain some really strong people. However that dosnt mean EVERY member is strong. Doesn't really say much about the random cannon fodder. Sure, WB's cannon fodder pirates are probably better then weaker pirate captains cannon fodder, but doesn't mean you can go randomly assigning 7-8 digit bounties on every one of their heads :huh

Also where are you getting that WB's junior crewers were unimpressed with Rocksta??? The only one who even commented about him was Marco (no doubt one of the strongest of WB's crew) who said he hadn't heard of him before. Although even if what you are saying was true, Rocksta didnt even do anything, so being unimpressed with him isnt saying much. Most people arn't that impressed with Luffy either when they first meet him now are they? :P

[Cthulhu-versailles]

...
Why not just wait a week or two until we see more of the fight before you throw your dicks around?:)

[Pipboy]

Because depending on what your dick lands in it can be quite fun. You can't always do a background check on someone before you fuck them and often half the fun is in the not knowing

The number of Shanks crew is completely unknown, as is the number of WB's. All we have is that WB has a bigger ship. If you look in the party scenes there are large quantities of mooks. The whole thing being entirely immaterial anyways, considering that WB himself is gigantic, and just rationally speaking.

I rechecked and the extras commenting on Rocksta are in the anime only.

[earthshine]

this thread fails.


we have nowhere near enough information about shanks to make any kind of real discussion, everything here is msotly speculation.


at least wait untill he actually fights before you make versus threads.

[Cthulhu-versailles]

Because depending on what your dick lands in it can be quite fun. You can't always do a background check on someone before you fuck them and often half the fun is in the not knowing

The number of Shanks crew is completely unknown, as is the number of WB's. All we have is that WB has a bigger ship. If you look in the party scenes there are large quantities of mooks. The whole thing being entirely immaterial anyways, considering that WB himself is gigantic, and just rationally speaking.

I rechecked and the extras commenting on Rocksta are in the anime only.

Yeah Okay, I get it, dicks need mystery... I'm just saying that it's going to be damn funny that in say a week or two from now when everything posted in here is completled countered and or in favor for one side.

The way I see it, on one hand Shanks wins easily. Shanks was able to split the entire sky for what looks like miles from the reverbration of swords clashing. So what Shanks could do is grab and randomly swings his sword in one direction and vaporizes everyone from the sheer force...:nuts Of which from the feat in 434 I will randomly guesstimate and say is 100 times stronger then Ubogin's big bang. On the otherhand, the Ryodan are so individually skilled and as a group overtly devastating, that I cannot feasitbly conceive of Shanks living for anything more then 7 seconds. The ryodans overall skills and individual hatsu are wicked. Them working together, many with skills tailored to circuvent power gaps, equates to Shanks being owned. Hell, I could see Kuroro doing it alone.

[Scorpio3.14]

this thread fails.


we have nowhere near enough information about shanks to make any kind of real discussion, everything here is msotly speculation.


at least wait untill he actually fights before you make versus threads.

Since when have fanboys needed actual canon feats to overestimate a character? :P

[Death Fog]

99% of the force of a directly countered attack that produces no motion in either direction is goign directly into the two combatents. The fact that such a display is a side effect is even more impressive.

Lets look at someone like Mihawk, Gunfire is worthless against him, in fact its worthless against 95% of anyone with any skills. Do you think a double machine gun would harm Lucci to any real degree if he caught it on a Tekkai? And what of the fact that Shanks is to Lucci as Lucci is to some Pissant like Nero measurably close but not ibn the same league by a long shot.

The fact of the matter is, Shanks and Whitebeard did split up the sky together. Impressive or not, it was done by 2 people. If Shanks has shown that he can split the sky by himself, then we can talk.

And Gunfire is also useles for the Ryodan, whats your point? And about Franklin's Double Machine Gun. Its a Nen Machine Gun. Its not just a simple Machine Gun used by ordinary people. Its an Emission Energy Attack emitted from Franklins fingertips. It is capable of easily destroying helicopters and laying waste to City Blocks and thousands of Gunmen with modern weapons. Dont confuse ordinary Machine Gun to Franklin's Machine Gun.

You posit all these situation where so and so does so and so. But what about the equally biased and foolish opposite predictions.

I can say that Shanks as a direct equal to Mihawk who can causally destroy gigantic battleships and he himself can split the heavens by the mere byproduct of a swing that doesn't even have a name, will just kill ryodan after ryodan with 13 strokes. Thats silly. And so is what you are saying.

Perhaps the Ryodan can do damage and then Shizuku can suck Shanks dry and they win that way, but don't say silly things.

Why Not? Whats to stop Shizuku from sucking out Shanks blood while the REST of the Geneiryodan fights him? I atleast have made my concluson based on what the manga has actually shown. What your doing is purely speculating on the argument that your actually not sure that the Ryodan can beat Shanks.

Your gonna bring up the feats that the people below Shanks have done and use it? I can do the same thing. Heck, I can bring up the feats people below Kuroro(yes that would include the Geneiryodan) have done and use it.

Shalnark has to plant an antenna

All the direct fighters have to lay hands on him, the mechanics of the teleportation abilty are quite limited in a even matchup as was proved in the fight between lucifer and the zoldycks, pressed he doesn't even bother to use it.

And whats the problem with direct fighters laying a hand on him? Shanks has never shown anything that would make him extremely difficult to be tagged by direct fighters.

Here’s the thing:

The Geneiryodan:
13 extremely powerful people
A bunch of Tacticans and Strategists
Powerful and extremely VARIED Nen-abilities
Kuroro Lucifer - An extremely powerful fighter and a genius

Shanks:
1 extremely powerful guy
A powerful sword swing

Now I cant help but think that Shanks would need to show us WAY more than what he has shown to be able to take out the Ryodan.

Oh and as for the Teleporting ability. Read that fight again. Kuroro was NEVER serious in that fight. Zeno explicitly stated it. All he wanted was to steal Zeno and Silva's abilities. The fact is Kuroro's teleportation ability has never been shown to have a limit.

You seem to have mistaken me for a supporter of one side or another and Ryodan Hater. To tell the truth if shanks was getting the lions share of votes I would be here playing devils advocate for the ryodan, but I am not, because it has instead swung that Shanks is being dismissed.

What bothered me is the lack of respect you have shown for the Ryodan and the power level that they have achieved. A group of people that not even the strongest hunters like Netero and Gin would easily confront. A group of people that even Zeno and Silva would dare not to confront if it weren’t for the huge sum of money they would get.

Does that make you a Ryodan Hater? No. But it does show that you indeed underestimate them severely. I know that you haven’t given you answer. But that’s not the point. The point is the fact that you actually have second thoughts about the Ryodan beating Shanks based on what little information we got from him. Now is this really us dismissing Shanks, or you dismissing the Ryodan?

You can get mad at me all you want, I don’t care anymore. But I have to say that your better than this, Pip. This is coming from someone who have debated with you a bunch of times now. And while you’re a huge OP fan, I know that you would never allow to get that in the way of debating rationally.