Ryoga Hibiki vs Adamantium

[Giovanni Rild]

Can Ryoga Break Adamantium with Bakusai Tenketsu(Breaking Point)?

[Orion]

i highly doubt it but meh who knows.

[Giovanni Rild]

i highly doubt it but meh who knows.

It can destroy any non-living object.

[Hamaru]

I think so... I mean as long as it is not alive then he would be able to destroy it.

[Amatsu]

Does that mean Ryoga > Goku in terms of power then?

[vagnard]

Impossible to tell...Under Takahashi's law if it's a non living object then the object will explode no matter what. But Marvel stated that Adamantium is a nearly indestructible material and Ryoga always used Bakusai Tenketsu against boulders so there is no way to tell if Cologne was just saying an hyperbole

[vagnard]

Does that mean Ryoga > Goku in terms of power then?

No. It just means that Ryoga has a technique that let him destroy any non living object pressing a specific point. It hasn't anything to do with strength or power.

[Amatsu]

No. It just means that Ryoga has a technique that let him destroy any non living object pressing a specific point. It hasn't anything to do with strength or power.

Well if Goku can't break adamantium according to the Goku vs Adamantium thread yet Ryoga CAN then that's sort of saying

Ryoga > Goku

[Sesshoumaru]

According to Takahashi Laws of Physics, every non-living thing has a breaking point. In the Ranma 1/2 series, Ryoga is seen breaking boulders and thick wooden structures with the Bakusai Tengetsu. There is not a scene where he does so upon metal. That is not seen because the metal would explode in all direction and hurt Ryoga severely instead of pelting in heavily with rock.

If following Takahashi's Law, Ryoga CAN destroy adamantium with the breaking point, however, he would die in the process.

[vagnard]

Well if Goku can't break adamantium according to the Goku vs Adamantium thread yet Ryoga CAN then that's sort of saying

Ryoga > Goku

But Ryoga can't use Bakusai Tenketsu against Goku. And Goku outclass him in strenght, ki power, speed, techniques, etc..

Ryoga just has a technique that make him the perfect civil engineer.

[EvilMoogle]

I would say no, but it is interesting.

The breaking point failed to work in a situation where Ryouga was trapped by a wall of loose dirt (when he first started learning the shi-shi-hokodan), which implies that a certain threshold of rigidness is required to use the breaking point. Clearly Adamantium meets this requirement.

Likewise, when he was training with the breaking point he initially was clearly thrusting his finger into bolders in an effort to find the "point" this seems to imply that the "point" needs to be pressed with some amount of force in order to shatter the target.

Putting the two together says to me that depending on the substance you'll have to hit it with more force in order to shatter it. Following this logic, as an "indistructable" metal, I would assume it would take a near infinite amount of force to activate the breaking point.

[Giovanni Rild]

I would say no, but it is interesting.

The breaking point failed to work in a situation where Ryouga was trapped by a wall of loose dirt (when he first started learning the shi-shi-hokodan), which implies that a certain threshold of rigidness is required to use the breaking point. Clearly Adamantium meets this requirement.

Likewise, when he was training with the breaking point he initially was clearly thrusting his finger into bolders in an effort to find the "point" this seems to imply that the "point" needs to be pressed with some amount of force in order to shatter the target.

Putting the two together says to me that depending on the substance you'll have to hit it with more force in order to shatter it. Following this logic, as an "indistructable" metal, I would assume it would take a near infinite amount of force to activate the breaking point.

It didn't fail, it was causing a cave in. You are wrong this time.
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[Locard]

People. adamantium never ¨breaks¨.

The only way to destroy adamantium is by altering his molecular structure.

A feat that only people like Thanos or Magneto can do.

So its impossible for Ryoga to break it.

[EvilMoogle]

It didn't fail, it was causing a cave in. You are wrong this time.
I stand corrected. Still, we know that breaking point doesn't work on everything (Genma said this, however it was clearly shown to be false by it not working on people. According to Cologne, it "only works on rocks" however it has clearly worked on some things other than rock later).

[Pipboy]

No, because adamantium by virtue of its nature doesn't actually vibrate. The substance might actually have a breaking point, but it would be impossible for Ryouga to hit the point with enough force to actually move the substance at all. Now assuming the law is that if he can impact the substance he can set up harmonics and blow it up, but he would need to hit harder than the hulk to actually to that dink to destroy it.

[FireEel]

I 'd say Ryoga can break Adamantium, as Adamantium is nothing more than an impossibly indestructable metal to me.

Does Adamantium defy physis? If it does, then no, Ryoga can't break it.

[EvilMoogle]

Does Adamantium defy physis? If it does, then no, Ryoga can't break it.
Once set, True Adamantium keeps it's form even when heated past it's melting point. So yes, it defies physics.

It's also apparently not malleable or ductile, or at least seems to take near-infinite amounts of force to change.

[Scorpio3.14]

Once set, True Adamantium keeps it's form even when heated past it's melting point. So yes, it defies physics.

Actually I don't think that is necessarily impossible. In fact I can think of two ways this can be theoretically possible with real chemistry & physics. One being that in an impure form the metal may have a low melting point but once purified and allowed to crystalize, the pure crystaline structure might be so tight that the intermolecular attractions are extremely strong and as a consequence it would have a much higher melting point. Secondly, Adamantium might just be an extreme example of a compound where Hysteresis makes it so the melting point of a compound and its freezing point are not the same. So Compound X might have a freezing point of 50 C but a melting point of 100 C. This means that the compound can be in its liquid state at 75 C, but once it falls down to below 50 C it will solidify. Then when you heat it back up to 75 C again it will remain solid and will only melt once it gets to 100 C or higher. Adamantium might just be an fictitious extreme of this real life phenomenon. It can be maintained as a liquid at realistic temperatures, but once solidified it wont melt again until some extremely ridiculous temperature is reached.

It's also apparently not malleable or ductile, or at least seems to take near-infinite amounts of force to change.

Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't Adamantium been bent or dented before? If so then that means it is malleable and ductile to some degree.

[Orion]

^^ i dont think true adamantium has been broken...but thor dented captain americas shield once with a bunch of powerups...otherwise it takes cosmic level force to break adamantium which...ryoga does not have.

[EvilMoogle]

Actually I don't think that is necessarily impossible. In fact I can think of two ways this can be theoretically possible with real chemistry & physics.
Aside from the problems of a metalic alloy crystializing, that's an interesting theory and I guess might explain it. But in the comics they seem to imply that Adamantium CAN'T melt no matter how high you heat it (rather I seem to remember it being said that it can melt, but it keeps its shape even when melted, which kinda defys the defeinition of being a liquid).


Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't Adamantium been bent or dented before? If so then that means it is malleable and ductile to some degree.
Hence my "near infinite" force postulation. It's been bent by a really pissed-off Hulk, but Odinforce Thor, and by a super-charged Magneto (actually, I'm not actually sure Magneto bent it or just did something weird to it).

All of these display levels of force that seem to break down the laws of the universe so I feel confident in saying it's not malleable or ductile in a traditional sense.

Otherwise when Wolverine fights someone else with Adamantium, at the very least his claws should be dulled by the experience.