Who can/cannot beat The Shrike? [Archive]

Endless Mike

10-25-2006, 06:53 PM

Well I would say, to truly beat it for good, you would need a cosmic that can affect the entire universe on a quantum level throughout all timelines (including all possible timelines) and simply erase it from existence. Lots of beings can erase things from existence, the problem with the Shrike and its omni-temporal nature is basically that there is a lot to erase. Also destroying the universe would probably do the trick. Of course you have to do this before it can do anything to you, or be completely noncorporeal so it can't do anything to you.

To simply beat it in one - on - one combat, with one body, where it will fight honorably and not resort to tricks, you would need something that can react at trillions of times c, or has automatic defenses that the Shrike will be unable to breach (and since it can through basically anything, that's a tough matter). Also, you'll need a means to percieve and assault it, to be phased into its timeframe so you can actually hurt it. Once that is accomplished, you still need to be very strong or have very powerful weapons, as its basic body is still extremely durable (bulletproof, able to survive starship - grade laser weaponry, etc.)

Who can beat The Shrike?

DBZ verse
Naruto Verse
Batman
Spiderman
Ryu
Ken
Akuma
Bison
Vega
Leonardo

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SoulTaker540

10-25-2006, 07:14 PM

Who can beat The Shrike?

DBZ verse
Naruto Verse
Batman
Spiderman
Ryu
Ken
Akuma
Bison
Vega
Leonardo

All of those combined couldn't beat the Shrike.

The Space Cowboy

10-25-2006, 08:17 PM

Soultaker is correct...The Shrike eats them.

Mmm...this one actually takes some thought.

Owen Deathstalker could probably beat the Shrike, but I'm not too sure about that.

The Lord of Nightmares could probably do it.

Maybe the Silver Surfer, Akira, or Doctor Solar (Valiant Universe)...

Paul the SK

10-25-2006, 08:43 PM

Holy shit. Could this guy be THE top Tier of the fictional universe? Definately possible.

The only think I could think of that may cause a problem for Strike would Satan Jio (from 666 Satan) at full power, as he can absorb all evil beings. But if Strike knows all moves and events before they happen then nothing can stop him.

Giovanni Rild

10-25-2006, 08:49 PM

Aku from Samurai Jack always existed, therefore, Aku cannot be removed from time. And Aku is very powerful

The Anti-Existence

10-25-2006, 08:54 PM

He knows all moves that will happen in his universe. If you follow that logic, then no being in fiction could beat the Living Tribunal because he is omniscient. Speaking of which, LT could beat him.

Sasori

10-25-2006, 08:57 PM

Who can beat The Shrike?

DBZ verse
Naruto Verse
Batman
Spiderman
Ryu
Ken
Akuma
Bison
Vega
LeonardoI agree with this :nuts

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Seriously though, Macguyver w/3 random items duh :noworry

Crimson King

10-25-2006, 09:07 PM

You need someone who is immune ot time effect and is capable of moving faster than the speed of light.

Vicious

10-25-2006, 09:28 PM

well i guess i'll try.

Who can beat the shrike,
*Kami tenchi
*game version pyron(full power)
*comic version pyron(full power)
*Lord of Nightmares
*the chousin's
*full power Galactus?
*Captain America, oh cant forget about his FTL shield!

Crimson King

10-25-2006, 09:49 PM

Galactus and Captain america can't. The Shrike merely moves back in time to when they were weak and kill them.

Endless Mike

10-25-2006, 10:00 PM

The Shrike wouldn't be able to go to Galactus' mortal form, since it was in a previous universe and it can't go back in time before the Big Bang.

Vicious

10-25-2006, 10:13 PM

The Shrike wouldn't be able to go to Galactus' mortal form, since it was in a previous universe and it can't go back in time before the Big Bang.
so full power Galactus could win? and wat will going back in time do to pyron since pyron is like 200 million years old *i think*?

Endless Mike

10-25-2006, 10:14 PM

Well if Pyron was mortal or weak any time in the history of the universe (not a previous universe) the Shrike can go there, assuming he couldn't beat him normally.

The Anti-Existence

10-25-2006, 10:31 PM

Galactus existed before the universe. Every high-end cosmic could beat The Strike. Living Tribunal, Eternity, Infinity...Full-Powered Galactus.

10-26-2006, 01:34 AM

Ok seriously these are the only ones I can think of at the moment. (And have the power + feats to back up the claims.)

Kami Tenchi
Full Power Lucifer
PR Beyonder

Wesley

10-26-2006, 02:29 AM

Reznor

10-26-2006, 02:35 AM

Who cannot beat The Shrike?
French foriegn legion
"Paperboy" (SNES) universe
Growing Pains universe

Probably a lot more that I'm not thinking off....

Thanatos

10-26-2006, 03:18 AM

Who cannot beat The Shrike?
French foriegn legion
"Paperboy" (SNES) universe
Growing Pains universe

Probably a lot more that I'm not thinking off....

Nah, that sounds about right to me...

Just a thought though. In the "info on the shrike" section written by endless mike, he mentioned something about the Shrike guarding Time tombs that contain a bunch of other creations similar to the shrike to challenge the Judeo/Christian God to battle.

Now, assuming that Hyperion hasn't deviated too much from the Bible, wouldn't God be more then enough? Seeing as he is Omnipresent (is everywhere at all times), Omnipotent (all powerful) and Omniscient (all knowing), what exactly could the Shrike do?

Keollyn

10-26-2006, 04:49 AM

Wave Existence, and also the True Godhead. The latter wouldn't even put any effort into it.

As for just a character? A theoretically abused -Contact- PROBABLY (If statement much?) can.

I got the idea that The Strike doesn't move at that speed naturally, but do to time manipulation. A -Contact- is powered by a God who has control of spacetime. What's to say that using the Phenomenon Alteration System woudn't create a buffer zone. That would include all of The Strike's effect on time that would pose an issue for the WE's avatar.

But yeah, I don't think he can beat The Shrike on any given sunday (I.E. Without theorizing)

CrazyMoronX

10-26-2006, 11:45 AM

The Beyonder?

Maybe Captain America + Spiderman + Wolverine. I mean, they would give him a fight alone and eventually lose, but they could take 'em together.

As for who cannot beat him?

Everyone in the DC/Marvel verse under high cosmic levels. Except Batman.
Anyone in DBZ.
Anyone in Naruto, cept Gai 8 gates.
Anyone in my house. Cept me.

Reznor

10-26-2006, 12:26 PM

Anyone in DBZ.
Anyone in Naruto, cept Gai 8 gates. 8 gates Gai has mostly just overt power on his side.

If DBZ can't beat beat Shrike, what makes you think Gai can? People with non-overt powers or ones with special properties in Naruto have a better chance (like Kakashi's blackholes, genjutsu, etc.) *can't think of any Naruto characters that could win this though*

Rice Ball

10-26-2006, 12:32 PM

Pre retcon Gooba
Golden Reznor

They could beat him with ease.

<Serious answer>

I think any tier 2/3+ cosmic

Maybe Infinity Gauntlet Thanos as he had complete control of space and time, combined with a hell of alot of reality warping.
His speed is the problem but something liemk the time Gem/space gem could equal that. His endurance isn't 'that' great compaired to cosmics but tagging him is the problem.

Dr Strange might have a chance if he pulls out all his tricks (eye and necklace etc)

Reznor

10-26-2006, 01:13 PM

I think any tier 2/3+ cosmic I misread this at first as though you thought two-thirds of any tier and cosmics could win, instead of cosmics and tier 2 or 3 and up XD

CrazyMoronX

10-26-2006, 01:21 PM

8 gates Gai has mostly just overt power on his side.

If DBZ can't beat beat Shrike, what makes you think Gai can? People with non-overt powers or ones with special properties in Naruto have a better chance (like Kakashi's blackholes, genjutsu, etc.) *can't think of any Naruto characters that could win this though*

Because Gai + 8 gates is Naruto's equivalent to the One Above All in Marvel. He is also highly regarded as Naruto's Batman, though I doubt the validity of that.

Endless Mike

10-26-2006, 02:39 PM

I don't think the Shrike could go back in time and kill someone while they were at a weaker state. Not even during a fight could he go back in time. Doing so would simply create a new universe. The being he's attempting to destroy in the present would still be there ahead of him in another universe. Even if it's off by a millionth of a second, the moment he moves through to another time he's in another universe altogether.

To defeat someone at his current present he would have to beat them while running parallel to them temporally and dimensionally. Moving ahead or moving backwards would technically be a retreat. A loss if you will. He couldn't win a fight in his current circumstances, so he changes them to suit his needs, leaving behind his previous oppenent and confronting a new one.

No, the way time travel works in the Hyperionverse is that if you make changes to the timeline, those changes will effect the timeline, example:

Kassad and Moneta were going through time in opposite directions, so Kassad remembered meeting her before but she didn't remember meeting him because from her perspective it hadn't happened yet.

Endless Mike

10-26-2006, 02:41 PM

Nah, that sounds about right to me...

Just a thought though. In the "info on the shrike" section written by endless mike, he mentioned something about the Shrike guarding Time tombs that contain a bunch of other creations similar to the shrike to challenge the Judeo/Christian God to battle.

Now, assuming that Hyperion hasn't deviated too much from the Bible, wouldn't God be more then enough? Seeing as he is Omnipresent (is everywhere at all times), Omnipotent (all powerful) and Omniscient (all knowing), what exactly could the Shrike do?

God in the Hyperionverse is the Judeo - Christian God by the fact that it is the god worshipped by the Christian, Jewish, and Muslim religions, however in this universe God (referred to as the Human Ultimate Intelligence) did not create humanity, it was created by humanity unconsciously from their thoughts and souls. So it's not really omnipotent, just near - omnipotent.

Reznor

10-26-2006, 02:54 PM

No, the way time travel works in the Hyperionverse is that if you make changes to the timeline, those changes will effect the timeline, example:

Kassad and Moneta were going through time in opposite directions, so Kassad remembered meeting her before but she didn't remember meeting him because from her perspective it hadn't happened yet. I don't think time travel should work that way in a neutral universe though.

Something that happens in the past happens in the past. If I travel back to 1860 and live out my life (until 1940, let's say), the time line seems my existance as this:

1860: Alex magically appears
1940: Alex dies
1984: Alex is born
2006: Alex magically disappears

MdB

10-26-2006, 03:28 PM

Itachi can beat him... all jokes aside kami tenchi, the idea of evil, lord of the nightmares, harihu suzumiya and the will of the cosmos can beat the shrike.

Endless Mike

10-26-2006, 03:29 PM

I don't think time travel should work that way in a neutral universe though.

Something that happens in the past happens in the past. If I travel back to 1860 and live out my life (until 1940, let's say), the time line seems my existance as this:

1860: Alex magically appears
1940: Alex dies
1984: Alex is born
2006: Alex magically disappears

Yes but in the example in question, Moneta was actually going through time backwards, along with the Time Tombs, since she was appointed by the human UI (God) to help oversee them and the Shrike.

Thanatos

10-26-2006, 05:49 PM

God in the Hyperionverse is the Judeo - Christian God by the fact that it is the god worshipped by the Christian, Jewish, and Muslim religions, however in this universe God (referred to as the Human Ultimate Intelligence) did not create humanity, it was created by humanity unconsciously from their thoughts and souls. So it's not really omnipotent, just near - omnipotent.

Well that explains why THAT wasn't mentioned.

Endless Mike

10-26-2006, 05:54 PM

Well that explains why THAT wasn't mentioned.

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Thanatos

10-26-2006, 06:40 PM

I was referring to the information in the quote. Why "God" wasn't mentioned as a contender for The Shrike.

Endless Mike

10-26-2006, 06:44 PM

Either of the UIs could defeat it. The Shrike is really just a servant of the Machine UI anyway.

Ryuji Yamazaki

10-27-2006, 10:17 AM

Can/cannot him? :oh

Z (Tenchi Muyo!)
Azathoth (Cthulhu Mythos)
Man of Miracles (Spawn)
Daniel Hall (Sandman)
Mad Jim Jaspers (Marvel)
Zoom [Hunter Zolomon] (DC)
Q (Star Trek)
Jafar [Genie form] (Disney's Aladdin)
Unicron (Transformers)
The Ellimist (Animorphs)
Saint of Killers (Preacher)

Rice Ball

10-27-2006, 10:26 AM

Z (Tenchi Muyo!)

The Speed would be a trouble for Z, if he can Kill Z before he obtained the lighthawk wings he'd win with ease.

Azathoth (Cthulhu Mythos)
Man of Miracles (Spawn)
Daniel Hall (Sandman)

No Idea.

Mad Jim Jaspers (Marvel)

Jaspers can win this at full power ofc

Zoom [Hunter Zolomon] (DC)

Depends how good his control is. If hes able to match Shrikes speed (through time) then he stands a chance, i'm not sure if he can steal Shrikes speed tho.

Q (Star Trek)

Q wins with a thought

Unicron (Transformers)
The Ellimist (Animorphs)

No Idea

Saint of Killers (Preacher)

Depends, i'd say Shrike can avoid getting shot a number of ways, a bullet is a bullet. Killing the SoK is a but more difficult, i'd go for draw.

Ryuji Yamazaki

10-27-2006, 10:30 AM

Azathoth (Cthulhu Mythos)
Man of Miracles (Spawn)
Daniel Hall (Sandman)

No Idea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azathoth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_of_Miracles_(comics)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Hall_%28comics%29

Unicron (Transformers)
The Ellimist (Animorphs)

No Idea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellimist

Endless Mike

10-27-2006, 01:38 PM

Can/cannot him? :oh

Z (Tenchi Muyo!)

If he has his LHWs up at the beginning of the battle it's a stalemate, since they can't hit each other. If not, the Shrike wins.

Azathoth (Cthulhu Mythos)

Would win.

Man of Miracles (Spawn)

Don't know (the article you linked to on wikipedia didn't exist)

Daniel Hall (Sandman)

From what I know would win.

Mad Jim Jaspers (Marvel)

Possibly, but considering the circumstances under which he was defeated I'm not sure.

Zoom [Hunter Zolomon] (DC)

Loses. His power is basically just the Shrike's method of locomotion, except slower, without any of the other powers.

Q (Star Trek)

Eh.... iffy.

I'm not too impressed by him. He seems to be just an alien with a lot of fancy tricks, his most powerful attack is creating a supernova (which is impressive but not to a being that can simply outrun it). He's never demonstrated superhuman reaction times or the ability to mess with the structure of timespace to the extent that would be needed to win. Then again, if he doesn't have a real physical body (which I'm not sure of) he can't really lose either.

Jafar [Genie form] (Disney's Aladdin)

Heh. Loses. The Shrike just destroys the lamp.

Unicron (Transformers)

If this is the comic version he could win, the cartoon version would lose.

The Ellimist (Animorphs)

Don't know.

Saint of Killers (Preacher)

Loses. Shrike steals his own guns and shoots him with them before he can react.